Comments on: FEMA Presents: Mismanagement on Ice! http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/21/fema-presents-mismanagement-on-ice/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:41:11 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: t bailey http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/21/fema-presents-mismanagement-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-281577 t bailey Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:29:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1929#comment-281577 i think you people are going the wrong way with this ,you need to look at what fema did and how they help alot of people ,i drove the trailers down there and they been down there for a long time and there new trailers are still coming in from all over so for the ones that they know it all ,, tell me this what about the mayor and the gov of new orleans you telling me that it's ok for them to make lots of money and not take care of there people when they had a 13 day meeting in wash dc , about it come on people wake up i think you people are going the wrong way with this ,you need to look at what fema did and how they help alot of people ,i drove the trailers down there and they been down there for a long time and there new trailers are still coming in from all over so for the ones that they know it all ,, tell me this what about the mayor and the gov of new orleans you telling me that it’s ok for them to make lots of money and not take care of there people when they had a 13 day meeting in wash dc , about it come on people wake up

]]> By: Amy Cummings http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/21/fema-presents-mismanagement-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-213156 Amy Cummings Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:06:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1929#comment-213156 I recently began working for the PR firm representing a new ice vending company out of North Florida, called Ice House America. The newly patented system of vending ice, devised by its founding president Bob Alligood, solves almost every problem encountered by FEMA in its earlier distribution efforts. Two of these machines were donated to the Houston Astrodome for relief support, and plans are currently in the works between FEMA and Ice House America to make the machines available to communities without power or running water in times of disaster, by retrofitting them for hook up to generators and alternative water sources. Check out Ice House America's website: www.icehouseamerica.com. I recently began working for the PR firm representing a new ice vending company out of North Florida, called Ice House America. The newly patented system of vending ice, devised by its founding president Bob Alligood, solves almost every problem encountered by FEMA in its earlier distribution efforts. Two of these machines were donated to the Houston Astrodome for relief support, and plans are currently in the works between FEMA and Ice House America to make the machines available to communities without power or running water in times of disaster, by retrofitting them for hook up to generators and alternative water sources. Check out Ice House America’s website: http://www.icehouseamerica.com.

]]> By: Chris L. http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/21/fema-presents-mismanagement-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-191986 Chris L. Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:43:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1929#comment-191986 I work for a logistics company that was contracted to move these loads. We handled roughly 500 loads of ice and around 25% of the loads were delivered into the disaster area. Carriers were being paid $4 a mile to drive around the country, $700 per day for detention. We had many instances of 15k bills for trucks who ended up taking the ice 1,000 miles further from the disaster area. Drivers reported sitting on air force base tarmacs along with hundreds of trucks and no one new what to do with them. What is even more hilarious is the capitalism that emerged on these bases where a cup of Folgers was sold for $1 a cup to the drivers. Perhaps the government planned on subsidizing the cost through the Starbucks model as they had a captive audience. This freight caused a spike in transportation costs to other commodity shippers across the board. The ripple effect on transportation costs associated with the high $ ice loads surely has been felt by all shippers unrelated to the FEMA efforts. We'll be paying this cost not only through taxes but also in the grocery store. I work for a logistics company that was contracted to move these loads. We handled roughly 500 loads of ice and around 25% of the loads were delivered into the disaster area. Carriers were being paid $4 a mile to drive around the country, $700 per day for detention. We had many instances of 15k bills for trucks who ended up taking the ice 1,000 miles further from the disaster area. Drivers reported sitting on air force base tarmacs along with hundreds of trucks and no one new what to do with them. What is even more hilarious is the capitalism that emerged on these bases where a cup of Folgers was sold for $1 a cup to the drivers. Perhaps the government planned on subsidizing the cost through the Starbucks model as they had a captive audience. This freight caused a spike in transportation costs to other commodity shippers across the board. The ripple effect on transportation costs associated with the high $ ice loads surely has been felt by all shippers unrelated to the FEMA efforts. We’ll be paying this cost not only through taxes but also in the grocery store.

]]> By: tryburn http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/21/fema-presents-mismanagement-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-168166 tryburn Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:15:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1929#comment-168166 ok, instead of dumping it or melting it..lets have a big party..get some nightclubs involved some event planners..lets get these trucks to these people ...have a fundraiser...with fema ice let us make Rita and Katrina cocktails and with every drink bought money for hurricane relief..you wouldn't even have to use alcohol you can buy coke and pepsi with fema ice..what do you think...why not.. ok, instead of dumping it or melting it..lets have a big party..get some nightclubs involved some event planners..lets get these trucks to these people …have a fundraiser…with fema ice let us make Rita and Katrina cocktails and with every drink bought money for hurricane relief..you wouldn’t even have to use alcohol you can buy coke and pepsi with fema ice..what do you think…why not..

]]> By: GeekyChic.com » BUSH-capades! http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/21/fema-presents-mismanagement-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-145089 GeekyChic.com » BUSH-capades! Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:28:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1929#comment-145089 [...] source [...] [...] source [...]

]]> By: Pablo in Mexico http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/21/fema-presents-mismanagement-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-143723 Pablo in Mexico Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:33:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1929#comment-143723 If they ordered too much ice - fine. But to send it to Idaho and Maryland is pure idiocy. The problem was Louisiana. So why not send the trucks just a few hunderd miles away, not clear across the continent? The answer to the problem is so simple that a simpleton like those people in FEMA could nog grasp it. If they ordered too much ice – fine. But to send it to Idaho and Maryland is pure idiocy.

The problem was Louisiana. So why not send the trucks just a few hunderd miles away, not clear across the continent?

The answer to the problem is so simple that a simpleton like those people in FEMA could nog grasp it.

]]> By: DemDaily http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/21/fema-presents-mismanagement-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-142789 DemDaily Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:32:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1929#comment-142789 The FEMA Ice Follies — “Millions of Dollars are Being Wasted” Friday, September 16th, 2005 FEMA… the government agency synonymous with the F word (in reference to their treatment of the American people in the Gulf). Nothing much seems to have changed since Brownie was replaced and the duct tape man cometh and it appears that FEMA can’t seem to coordinate the ice man cometh, either… Lisa Myers & the NBC Investigative Unit, have done what journalists do when they are doing their jobs and have investigated why it’s such a problem for FEMA to bring ice to the ravaged Gulf Coast. Friday, NBC News located hundreds of trucks full of ice sitting around the country: in Maryland, Missouri, Georgia, Tennessee, Mississippi and Louisiana. Some had been on trips to nowhere for the past two weeks. Elizabeth Palmer is a truck driver in Carthage, Mo. “We really don’t understand,” said Palmer, “why FEMA is sending to all these different locations and just putting us in cold storage.” Dan Wessels’ Cool Express ice company has worked with FEMA for years. He says he’s never seen anything like it — only one-third of his trucks have actually unloaded the ice that FEMA ordered. “The left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing,” said Wessels. “The right hand is telling us to go to the left hand. We get to the left hand, they tell us to go back.” The misrouting of truck of ice is racking up a hefty bill at taxpayers expense, to the tune of millions of dollars… For example, one truck of ice left Oshkosh, Wis., on Sept. 6, and went to Louisiana. Then it was sent by FEMA to Georgia but was rerouted before it arrived to South Carolina, then to Cumberland, Md., where it has been sitting for three days at an added cost to taxpayers so far of $9,000. Multiplied by hundreds of trucks, this sort of dispatching could mean millions of dollars are being wasted. “From a trucking aspect, I’m happy. Keep it coming,” said Wessels. “From a taxpayer aspect, it’s sick.” Typically a FEMA official makes a ridiculous claim… A FEMA official says, in the rush to respond to Katrina, the agency ordered too much ice. Rather than let it melt, they sent it to other parts of the country to be ready for the next hurricane. Meanwhile, the mis-management, re-routing of trucks and waste of taxpayer’s money continues… But Wessels says FEMA just ordered more ice and re-routed some of his trucks again — to Idaho. http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=584 The FEMA Ice Follies — “Millions of Dollars are Being Wasted”
Friday, September 16th, 2005

FEMA… the government agency synonymous with the F word (in reference to their treatment of the American people in the Gulf). Nothing much seems to have changed since Brownie was replaced and the duct tape man cometh and it appears that FEMA can’t seem to coordinate the ice man cometh, either…

Lisa Myers & the NBC Investigative Unit, have done what journalists do when they are doing their jobs and have investigated why it’s such a problem for FEMA to bring ice to the ravaged Gulf Coast.

Friday, NBC News located hundreds of trucks full of ice sitting around the country: in Maryland, Missouri, Georgia, Tennessee, Mississippi and Louisiana. Some had been on trips to nowhere for the past two weeks.

Elizabeth Palmer is a truck driver in Carthage, Mo.

“We really don’t understand,” said Palmer, “why FEMA is sending to all these different locations and just putting us in cold storage.”

Dan Wessels’ Cool Express ice company has worked with FEMA for years. He says he’s never seen anything like it — only one-third of his trucks have actually unloaded the ice that FEMA ordered.

“The left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing,” said Wessels. “The right hand is telling us to go to the left hand. We get to the left hand, they tell us to go back.”

The misrouting of truck of ice is racking up a hefty bill at taxpayers expense, to the tune of millions of dollars…

For example, one truck of ice left Oshkosh, Wis., on Sept. 6, and went to Louisiana. Then it was sent by FEMA to Georgia but was rerouted before it arrived to South Carolina, then to Cumberland, Md., where it has been sitting for three days at an added cost to taxpayers so far of $9,000.

Multiplied by hundreds of trucks, this sort of dispatching could mean millions of dollars are being wasted.

“From a trucking aspect, I’m happy. Keep it coming,” said Wessels. “From a taxpayer aspect, it’s sick.”

Typically a FEMA official makes a ridiculous claim…

A FEMA official says, in the rush to respond to Katrina, the agency ordered too much ice. Rather than let it melt, they sent it to other parts of the country to be ready for the next hurricane.

Meanwhile, the mis-management, re-routing of trucks and waste of taxpayer’s money continues…

But Wessels says FEMA just ordered more ice and re-routed some of his trucks again — to Idaho.

http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=584

]]> By: K-Diddy http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/21/fema-presents-mismanagement-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-142773 K-Diddy Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:05:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1929#comment-142773 Wish you'd spell Gloucester correctly... Wish you’d spell Gloucester correctly…

]]> By: The Undercurrent http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/21/fema-presents-mismanagement-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-142695 The Undercurrent Thu, 22 Sep 2005 00:30:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1929#comment-142695 <strong>Your tax dollars at work, idiot</strong> Think Progress » FEMA Presents: Mismanagement on Ice! Media outlets around the country are reporting that trucks loaded with millions of pounds of ice meant for the Gulf region are popping up nationwide. FEMA redirected the trucks away from the Sout... Your tax dollars at work, idiot

Think Progress » FEMA Presents: Mismanagement on Ice!
Media outlets around the country are reporting that trucks loaded with millions of pounds of ice meant for the Gulf region are popping up nationwide. FEMA redirected the trucks away from the Sout…

]]> By: burro http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/21/fema-presents-mismanagement-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-142666 burro Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:48:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1929#comment-142666 America has fallen and it can't get up. America has fallen and it can’t get up.

]]> By: Nancy L. http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/21/fema-presents-mismanagement-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-142578 Nancy L. Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:07:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1929#comment-142578 FOR SALE CHEAP - 100 semi-trucks full of ice. State Of Maine doesn't want them, as in about,3 months we will have all the ice and snow we need. We will, keep the water though, as not all our wells have filled, since the last couple of dry seasons. Besides, we need the money to put back into the state coffers, to replace the money Bush has already cut from our state's funding. Maybe we need to send all that ice to D.C., tell Bush, 'hell has finally frozen over!' and he's about to be impeached. Yeh!!!!!! FOR SALE CHEAP – 100 semi-trucks full of ice. State Of Maine doesn’t want them, as in about,3 months we will have all the ice and snow we need. We will, keep the water though, as not all our wells have filled, since the last couple of dry seasons. Besides, we need the money to put back into the state coffers, to replace the money Bush has already cut from our state’s funding.
Maybe we need to send all that ice to D.C., tell Bush, ‘hell has finally frozen over!’ and he’s about to be impeached. Yeh!!!!!!

]]> By: The WB42 5:30 Report With Doug Krile http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/21/fema-presents-mismanagement-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-142414 The WB42 5:30 Report With Doug Krile Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:40:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1929#comment-142414 <strong>Here Comes Rita. And She Appears to be Angry.</strong> This is a huge storm. And it's a huge part of our on-air coverage today AND our blog takes note of it, too. Here Comes Rita. And She Appears to be Angry.

This is a huge storm. And it’s a huge part of our on-air coverage today AND our blog takes note of it, too.

]]> By: Hunter Morrow http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/21/fema-presents-mismanagement-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-142400 Hunter Morrow Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:36:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1929#comment-142400 Why aren't the mess ups of the Department of Homeland Security given the same run down? Isn't it amazing how people can spend 5 times as much on a completely useless piece of pork like D.o.H.S. but balk when it comes to feeding the bitterly impoverished or funding schools? As said before this is almost by-the-numbers what would happen if a dirty bomb went off? And where was that Department? Certainly not securing the fatherland, oops I mean homeland. Why aren’t the mess ups of the Department of Homeland Security given the same run down? Isn’t it amazing how people can spend 5 times as much on a completely useless piece of pork like D.o.H.S. but balk when it comes to feeding the bitterly impoverished or funding schools?
As said before this is almost by-the-numbers what would happen if a dirty bomb went off? And where was that Department? Certainly not securing the fatherland, oops I mean homeland.

]]> By: Koolhandluke http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/21/fema-presents-mismanagement-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-142365 Koolhandluke Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:28:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1929#comment-142365 Icee anyone? Why can't FEMA ever get anything right when it's so simple to do. Joe Sixpack knows better than to order too much ice of his six beers. Why don't we just hire him to run FEMA, he might order too much beer, but he'll never order too much ice. What are they going to do with all of that ice. I say let's order a bunch of beer and put it on ice and watch College Football on a jumbo Tron Screen. Maybe we can invited some of them politicians and they can go around glad handing while we get wasted. I'll bet they get that part right. Oh and we need a bunch of ribs, chicken, and brats too. A gaint tailgate party wouldn't be right without food. Oh yeah I guess we should invite the victims of Katrina along since the ice was originally intended for them. Also they could probably use a good meal while we are at it. Yeah, that's it, the politician can kiss there A__es while they make promises they don't intend to keep. At least FEMA can claim the ice didn't go to waste, and you know who can say FEMA is doing a "fine job". Icee anyone? Why can’t FEMA ever get anything right when it’s so simple to do. Joe Sixpack knows better than to order too much ice of his six beers. Why don’t we just hire him to run FEMA, he might order too much beer, but he’ll never order too much ice. What are they going to do with all of that ice. I say let’s order a bunch of beer and put it on ice and watch College Football on a jumbo Tron Screen.

Maybe we can invited some of them politicians and they can go around glad handing while we get wasted. I’ll bet they get that part right. Oh and we need a bunch of ribs, chicken, and brats too. A gaint tailgate party wouldn’t be right without food. Oh yeah I guess we should invite the victims of Katrina along since the ice was originally intended for them. Also they could probably use a good meal while we are at it.

Yeah, that’s it, the politician can kiss there A__es while they make promises they don’t intend to keep. At least FEMA can claim the ice didn’t go to waste, and you know who can say FEMA is doing a “fine job”.

]]> By: Jealous of Jeff http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/21/fema-presents-mismanagement-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-142242 Jealous of Jeff Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:54:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1929#comment-142242 DF - your old man 'speaketh sooth' DF – your old man ’speaketh sooth’

]]> By: Dumb Fox http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/21/fema-presents-mismanagement-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-142173 Dumb Fox Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:33:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1929#comment-142173 JoJ - Fair point. And one I made to the old man. His response... "They took a week to realize they had a f*cking bath" JoJ – Fair point. And one I made to the old man. His response…

“They took a week to realize they had a f*cking bath”

]]> By: Sharon Cox http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/21/fema-presents-mismanagement-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-142156 Sharon Cox Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:07:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1929#comment-142156 " Good Morning America, how are Ya". Is he still in office.? Damn guess the truck's are still waiting for the latest witches brew from bush to add the ice to. Diffrent day ...Same old S***. Wonder how all that ice would look on the white house lawn. Doe's any one here remember the brochley incident.? Please forgive the spelling and sentance structures. Never did get that down....Blessings ” Good Morning America, how are Ya”. Is he still in office.? Damn guess the truck’s are still waiting for the latest witches brew from bush to add the ice to. Diffrent day …Same old S***. Wonder how all that ice would look on the white house lawn. Doe’s any one here remember the brochley incident.? Please forgive the spelling and sentance structures. Never did get that down….Blessings

]]> By: Jealous of Jeff http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/21/fema-presents-mismanagement-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-142155 Jealous of Jeff Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:03:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1929#comment-142155 Actually, Chimpy's admin did run a bath, a BIG one called New Orleans. Actually, Chimpy’s admin did run a bath, a BIG one called New Orleans.

]]> By: Hunter Morrow http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/21/fema-presents-mismanagement-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-142154 Hunter Morrow Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:03:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1929#comment-142154 FEMA? Just call it FUBAR and get it over with. FEMA? Just call it FUBAR and get it over with.

]]> By: progressive and proud http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/21/fema-presents-mismanagement-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-142141 progressive and proud Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:54:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1929#comment-142141 Dumb Fox, I love your old man's saying. It's always refreshing to hear our elders point of view. I sure wish Bush thought that way. It's Rove or bust for Bush; he lives in a vaccuum. He wouldn't even listen to Colin Powell. Powell v. Rove??? And he chooses this creep who his dad fired. I think that says it all. Dumb Fox, I love your old man’s saying. It’s always refreshing to hear our elders point of view. I sure wish Bush thought that way. It’s Rove or bust for Bush; he lives in a vaccuum. He wouldn’t even listen to Colin Powell. Powell v. Rove??? And he chooses this creep who his dad fired. I think that says it all.

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