Bush Gives Saudi Sex Slaves the A-Okay
By on Sep 23rd, 2005 at 8:48 am
Bush Gives Saudi Sex Slaves the A-Okay
Associated Press, 9/21/05:
President Bush decided Wednesday to waive any financial sanctions on Saudi Arabia…for failing to do enough to stop the modern-day slave trade in prostitutes, child sex workers and forced laborers.
Just a year ago, we were told things would be different. President Bush, 7/16/04:
Human trafficking is one of the worst offenses against human dignity. Our nation is determined to fight that crime abroad and at home.
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Pretty dispicable. But nobody asked me, as usual.
September 23rd, 2005 at 8:59 amHe does this because he knows he can get away with it. Sad.
September 23rd, 2005 at 9:12 amThis is truly shameful. And we'll keep buying their oil and continue to forgive them for what they do.
September 23rd, 2005 at 9:17 amWell, these are the guys that Shrub likes to litterally hold hands with. Coincidence?
September 23rd, 2005 at 9:31 amOil trumps innocent children. Jesus!
September 23rd, 2005 at 9:34 amI sure hope no one actually believed him. THAT would have been naive. I guess that wouldn't be something anyone would want to admit, though. That's why, all of a sudden, no one here in TN voted for Bush. Riiiiiight. Very telling I must say.
And with Bill, never gonna' be president, Frist looking like he may don some new ankle jewelry, I must say my outlook is positive here. Martha only gained somewhere in the ballpark of $60,000 in her deal, the cat killer made millions. He is so in trouble. Eventually, all that GREED comes back to bite you on the ass. HA!
September 23rd, 2005 at 9:37 amPictures
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040419/040419_bush_saudi_hmed2p.hmedium.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/99/1034/640/Bush%20and%20Saudi%20Prince.jpg
Words
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=300&row=0
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20041101/klein/2
http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_07_01/Bush___Bin_Laden_-_George_W__B/bush___bin_laden_-_george_w__b.html
September 23rd, 2005 at 9:43 amBush is simply being sensitive to the cultural traditions of the Muslims. Not unlike y'all are to their custom of using their own children blow up Jews.
September 23rd, 2005 at 9:46 amBush would be a hypocrite. I believe most of this behavior is going on right now in the White House.
September 23rd, 2005 at 9:47 amI've been travelling fairly regularly to that region the last few months for work, and labour practices there are barbaric.
Even Pakistani construction workers are little better than slaves, living in what are openly called 'Labour Camps' in the local press, working 13 hour days for $200 a month to erect condos 24/7, their passports held by their employers.
If they run, the employer publishes a notice in the newspaper with their picture.
This has not prevented us from doing business with these countries, praising their leaders and societies, and indulging in sexual tourism there.
September 23rd, 2005 at 9:48 amHundreds of thousands of 'evacuees' stuck on the freeways of Texas takes the cake.
Another hurricane about to hit the Gulf Coast is the just desert.
After spending 15 hours on a freeway unable to move, who are the real slaves?
You will never be able to make this stuff up.
George Bush is doing his job. Vote Bush
September 23rd, 2005 at 10:12 amBush is terribly insensitive and this will be how history will see it as well. This morning, when asked about the growing number of protests and the growing number of protesters, he said that whoever believed the war was a mistake is "wrong." That's it, just wrong. He has no ability to elaborate; he is a simpleton. Everything he does is for personal profit, power or payback.
September 23rd, 2005 at 10:25 amBut they kept Venezuala on the list. Does anyone here think that politics may have been involved?
September 23rd, 2005 at 10:37 amDisdain for human rights in the pursuit of corporatism is #2 in the list of the 14 points of fascism, http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
September 23rd, 2005 at 10:40 am#13 Yes.
September 23rd, 2005 at 10:40 amAllow me the pleasure of repeating myself. If you don't stand up and say "raising brainwashed Muslim kiddies to be a Komajewzi Homicide Bomber® is wrong" then you don't have the brains or the conscience required to comment about anything to do with Muslims and George Bush. Period. So STFU.
September 23rd, 2005 at 10:42 amI agree that Bush should be tougher on the Saudis. Especially on this issue.
What is the UN position on this and what have they done to put a stop to it? Seriously, I'm asking because I am not knowledgeable on this. Thanks.
September 23rd, 2005 at 10:44 amSpeaking of human rights, this one shot by the news wires earlier in the week: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050918.warar0918/BNStory/National/
So, if Chimpy thinks you are a bad guy, you can be arrested, no charges brought and despite the wishes of his naturalized nation to take charge of you, Chimpy can send you to another nation where perhaps you left many years ago (perhaps in disagreement with the government). Once there you will be tortured before your adopted country can get you freed. And Chimpy (or his hack representative) will say: “You talking about regrets by the United States?â€
September 23rd, 2005 at 10:49 amFunny they make sex slavery easier for Saudis at a time when we have 2000 children unaccounted for in New Orleans
Its just a creepy creepy thing.
September 23rd, 2005 at 10:49 amIf you don’t stand up and say “dropping US-made helicopter rockets from US-made helicopters into crowded Gaza market places is wrong†then you don’t have the brains or the conscience required to comment about anything. Period.
September 23rd, 2005 at 10:52 amConcerned Try here: http://www.unicri.it/wwd/trafficking/minors/legal_un.php
Not many of these treaties I notice have been signed up to by the US. The Convention of the Rights of the Child for example has been ratified by every country except Somalia and the US - nice company to keep. Mind you the Saudis have signed up to some of these too, so what's the use of the paper? Well back to the point of the thread - only states' pressure will eliminate this. It was when the British Navy started catching slavers in the Atlantic that the tide against the slave trade turned. So Mr Bush's actions are to understate it, 'unhelpful'.
September 23rd, 2005 at 11:03 amIRI--
September 23rd, 2005 at 11:05 amThanks for your insight. Your pro-iraqi invasion, right? So, it seems odd that you would question our dismay at your President's stand on this issue since our nation has displayed such sensitivity and knowledge to the " cultural traditions of the Muslims." Which side of your mouth are you talking out of now?
Printing this out to give to someone I know who finds himself surrounded by the Bushies, who even now rabidly repeat the right wing hacks on hate radio, yet still claim the Bush66 is a moral man.
September 23rd, 2005 at 11:08 amLive and work in a red county, I'm convinced he could eat a live baby on national television, and they'd still blindly follow him.
#21, Clearly he's not talking out of either side of his mouth... You're thinking several feet too high.
Z.
September 23rd, 2005 at 11:12 am#20, #21,
By responding you provide the attention and 'justification' it so desperately seeks.
September 23rd, 2005 at 11:15 am#25, OK, you got me on #20, but #21, disagree - that's called 'debating', Concon was furthering the discussion and not derailing it.
September 23rd, 2005 at 11:25 amIRI: Where do get that from the article? It mentions nothing about sensitivity to cultural norms. Even if that were true does it make it right? Should we give them a pass on selling children as sex slaves just because it's "traditional"???
No. We shouldn't. This is clearly yet another case of double standards being applied by a corrupt administration. They have bent over backwards to play nice with the Saudis even after 9/11 when 15 Saudi nationals took part in the most horrific terrorist attack ever.
Of all the Bush policies how could anyone defend this one? This offends me not as a liberal, progressive or democrat but as a human being. The practices of these people are beyond inhumane and a real courageous leader would stand up to them and stand on the principles of his Christian upbringing to send a message that this must stop. That's what real leaders do.
September 23rd, 2005 at 11:37 amStuff You Should Read
Bush Waives Saudis Sanctions on Prostitutes, Child Sex Slaves
September 23rd, 2005 at 12:01 pm#23 Zwack... I'm still laughing my ass off! Right on the money. Nail on the head. Boot straight up his ass! U Wrong U is just one of those automatons that no matter what Bush says or does he will defend him.
Former Governor Edwin Edwards (Louisiana) once said "The only way I won't be reelected is if I'm caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy". If Bush was on live TV in a similar situation they'd still believe he is God's right hand man.
September 23rd, 2005 at 12:25 pmAndrew, pull up your pants, your bias is showing. But I'm feeling magnanimous today since it looks like Houston is going to only take a bullet and not a carpet bombing so I'll answer your fairly lengthy list of questions and statements even though they are ill concieved, and based upon misconceptions due to a faulty world view and your reading habits.
Q: IRI: Where do get that from the article? It mentions nothing about sensitivity to cultural norms. Even if that were true does it make it right? Should we give them a pass on selling children as sex slaves just because it’s “traditional�??
A: Of course it doesn't make it right and I for one would like to topple the Saudi government and make the entire country a ward of the USA. The Muslim tradition enjoys a long history with slavery. Don't be misled by the "Sex Slave" headline. Slavery pure and simple is a tradition and regardless of how much we hate it is ingrained in their culture. It shouldn't matter to a liberal if the slave is digging a ditch or getting raped.
Now, what do you do about that other than carpet bomb them into eternity? So here's our choice, it is the choice every Western government has made including your beloved United Nations. We put up with it. The alternative is as I described or behind door number two is you walking to the mall every day instead of driving. If you think the oil companies have all the power you aren't paying attention.
Statement: No. We shouldn’t. This is clearly yet another case of double standards being applied by a corrupt administration.
Rebuttal: I agree we shouldn't but certainly you are not suggesting that John Kerry or Hillary Clinton would stand on principle and piss away our oil would you? If you think so you are wrong. This was going on in the Muslim world long before Bush showed up and unless you think Kerry or Clinton would carpet bomb them into oblivion it will continue for the foreseeable future regardless of who is in office.
Statement: They have bent over backwards to play nice with the Saudis even after 9/11 when 15 Saudi nationals took part in the most horrific terrorist attack ever.
Rebuttal: Need I remind you that we are allied with Saudi Arabia in this fight against Militant Islam {strange bedfellows) and the infamous Sheik Ossama Bin Laden has called for the destruction of the Saudi Ruling Family. On this issue we are on the same side. My desire for the Saudi's is to covertly begin the extermination of the radical Islamist clerics that make not only Saudi Arabia but all Islam a desperate, devious, cruel and determined enemy of all that is good.
Statement of Principle: Of all the Bush policies how could anyone defend this one? This offends me not as a liberal, progressive or democrat but as a human being. The practices of these people are beyond inhumane and a real courageous leader would stand up to them and stand on the principles of his Christian upbringing to send a message that this must stop. That’s what real leaders do.
Question: Then you too think we should bomb the hell out of them and take over their country? Or do you think we as a nation need more exercise?
September 23rd, 2005 at 12:32 pmThe shrub sanction the Saudis? Are you fucking out of your mind?
Bush owes the buying of the presidency of the United States of Amerika to those people who gave him millions of dollars under the table, starting when he was governor of Tayxus.
A lot of you folks commenting on this site dont have the brains of a frigging cockroach. Get off the site and go make your comments to other pukes like yourself.
September 23rd, 2005 at 12:41 pm17. "What is the UN position on this and what have they done to put a stop to it? Seriously, I’m asking because I am not knowledgeable on this."
WTF? I thought the Right had no use for the UN, and considered it a sham organization. Or, is that only when saying so meets your goals?
September 23rd, 2005 at 12:41 pm#29, to your last question - no, not bomb the hell out of them. Enforce the financial sanctions rather than waive them.
But I do have to give you credit regarding your statement about who has all the power, I completely agree with you there, although relaxing government standards on fuel economy and emissions doesn't help either.
September 23rd, 2005 at 12:45 pm"...we are allied with Saudi Arabia in this fight against Militant Islam..."
What does this mean - "allied" ? Are they contributing financially or just patting us on the back? We could sure use the money, no?
September 23rd, 2005 at 12:50 pmSaudi Arabia is doing nothing about the Islamic schools that teach hatred of America and militant Islam. They talk about doing something but they do nothing.
Why would Bush not allow the FBI to interrogate members of the Bin Laden family? Why were they quietly flown out of the country on September 13th? Why are the Bushes always shown holding hands with these guys if they:
1. Don't embrace democracy
September 23rd, 2005 at 1:13 pm2. Don't fight militant Islam
3. Don't want to answer questions about how 15 of their citizens ended up coming to the US and flying planes into buildings?
Yes as #5 says, oil is more important than children. Children come and go but oil is forever (well maybe not at the rate we are using it).
September 23rd, 2005 at 1:14 pmsaudi arabia, cauised 2million deaths in sudan by imposing sharia there in 1983 and causing a civil war, and 300,000 in algeria by causing a civil war there in 1992, by funding a far right nazi party in algeria, that wanted to kill people, It is a terrifying land, that needs to be taught a lesson.
September 23rd, 2005 at 1:27 pm#29
Wow, is that the same I-RIGHT-I. I commend you. You actually discussed what was on topic, with some actual points. Good job.
September 23rd, 2005 at 1:45 pmIt makes perfect, actually, since the Saudis not only openly own child sex slaves and forced labourers, they - and their oil - own America.
September 23rd, 2005 at 1:49 pmI righty I. Dude, go to Little Green Footballs. You belong there where they will think you're wonderful. Here, today in this thread, we're talking about something different than what you're up on your soapbox screeching about.
Either comment about the thread or start your own damn blog. Don't you see, we think your an I Idiot I.
September 23rd, 2005 at 1:55 pmCall me Polyanna, but I would like to see (someday) a move away from oil dependence towards alternative fuel. I believe that this would allow us to syphon off our oil habit with Saudi Arabia. On a somewhat related personal note, I have been looking for ways to carpool to work. The local bus system here stinks, but folks don't seem very interested in carpooling. It's sad, really.
We collectively are precisely like drug addicts with respect to oil; don't take away our smack. We need it!
I believe that financial sanctions would be at best symbolic in nature with respect to human trafficking/slavery. I doubt that these sanctions would really matter to anyone who is in real power.
September 23rd, 2005 at 1:56 pmSo that's where Neil Bush has been.....in Saudi Arabia!
September 23rd, 2005 at 1:57 pmStatement: Saudi Arabia is doing nothing about the Islamic schools
Answer: It doesn't look that way unless you consider that starting new schools in the USA is doing nothing.
Rhetorical Question: Why are the Bushes always shown holding hands with these guys
Rhetorical Answer: Everybody holds hands with these guys. I referee you back to my suggestion that we invade, conquer and totally destroy their culture. At one time I had more hope that the open conspiracy regarding our invasion of Iraq was to set up an irresistible military force smack dab in the middle of radical Islam in order to take them out one at a time. The impossibility of rebuilding each country after we destroy it to mollify the Left as we are doing in Iraq has all but dashed those hopes. We can afford to kill them but we cannot afford to rebuild each of them in our image. Recent news of Bush's military advisors flirting with the possibility of unilateral limited thermonuclear war give me some additional hope but I'm not holding my breath until Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia are no longer serious threats.
Now I have a question for you and the rest of the Filthy Left and lurk on these pages. If you are going to seethe and whine about sex slaves that are the tradition in a corrupt heathen culture, and if you're going to bitch about us not doing anything about the radicals in countries other than ours, why in hell do you give your full faith and support to International AIM and CAIR? Don't tell me you are unaware that their purpose is to advance militant Islam. In addition, if you are going to take sides in a killing war, why side with the people that are Fundamentalist Militant Islamists? Don't insult me by suggestion the Palestinians and those who fund and arm them are people of peace.
In conclusion: It is my charge against you members of the Filthy Left that you are not only hypocritical, but suicidal as well. Speaking as a founding member of the Vast Right Wing Christian Conspiracy; we will not allow it even if it means hanging each and every one of you from the nearest lamp post or flag pole.
I think this county is long overdue for a civil war. Make you a deal, the losers get to do the flag pole thing. Be afraid losers, be very afraid.
September 23rd, 2005 at 2:01 pmCall me Polyanna, but I would like to see (someday) a move away from oil dependence towards alternative fuel.
comment by David
Best estimates are twenty years for your dream to come true. Fuel cell technology is advancing rapidly but that's the guess from those in the know.
September 23rd, 2005 at 2:05 pmHow to reduce our dependency on crude oil???
BIO-DIESEL... Have a look at this article...
http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/003520.html
which discusses how we can reduce our need for crude oil, but at the same time help boost some third world economies...
If you don't think that you need to read this, then you're wrong. Filtered coconut oil runs diesel engines better than mineral diesel fuel.
Z.
September 23rd, 2005 at 2:10 pmEither comment about the thread or start your own damn blog. Don’t you see, we think your an I Idiot I.
Comment by kindness
Take yourself off to Kos or join up with the Mindidiots or DUmmies. The topic is Muslim slavery. I have addressed the topic. If you don't like my spin...Spin on this ^.
September 23rd, 2005 at 2:11 pmIRI is a Nazi - it just takes him a while to get wound up: http://www.pupress.princeton.edu/titles/6573.html
"cancer also became an important social metaphor, as the Nazis portrayed Jews and other "enemies of the Volk" as tumors that must be eliminated from the German body politic."
IRI: "The Filthy Left in this country is a cancer and The Vast Right Wing Christian Conspiracy is the cure. We’ll win because we’re smarter and better than you. Oh, and we have all the guns. Losers, all your ass are belong to us."
He would hang you all, drop nuclear weapons in first use, impose US 'imperial order' in Saudi Arabia because he says it's 'our oil'. His own words.
September 23rd, 2005 at 2:11 pmAnd SA agreed to increase its crude output.
September 23rd, 2005 at 2:12 pm"Q: IRI: Where do get that from the article? It mentions nothing about sensitivity to cultural norms. Even if that were true does it make it right? Should we give them a pass on selling children as sex slaves just because it’s “traditional�??
A: Of course it doesn’t make it right and I for one would like to topple the Saudi government and make the entire country a ward of the USA."
If you didn't know, we have slaves right here in the United States. Anyone who states "Should we give them a pass on selling children as sex slaves just because it’s “traditional�??" betrays either ignorance, or willfull ignorance. Quite hypocritical to comment on others' faults without acknowledging that WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM, don't you think?
September 23rd, 2005 at 2:12 pm#42, alternative fuels may be years off, but reducing dependence is here now. Hybrids are commercially available, and this isn't far off...
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/02/23/002200.html
September 23rd, 2005 at 2:12 pmI think it's great that people can discuss political and cultural issues in open forums without threats of physical violence and brutal intimidation. America truly is an enlightened place.
Oh wait...
"we will not allow it even if it means hanging each and every one of you from the nearest lamp post or flag pole."
"I referee you back to my suggestion that we invade, conquer and totally destroy their culture"
Yeah. We're a shining beacon of freedom aren't we? These people might have been brainwashed by their religious political leadership but THEY ARE STILL HUMAN BEINGS. Let's talk about solutions to the political/religious leadership problem. Let's not talk about GENOCIDE.
Since when is it a core American value to propose deliberately exterminating millions of men, women and children? Where in the New Testament does it say genocide is ok?
September 23rd, 2005 at 2:15 pm"Question: Then you too think we should bomb the hell out of them and take over their country? Or do you think we as a nation need more exercise?"
I'm assuming your saying our only options are genocide or walking to the mall. Is that what you're saying?
September 23rd, 2005 at 2:19 pmI would suggest boycotting gas stations that serve gas derived from Middle Eastern oil. I try to bias my gas purchases towards Citgo, since it's a Venezuelan company. (Unfortunately the same Snopes article says that Citgo also gets its oil from Iraqi and Kuwaiti sources.)
September 23rd, 2005 at 2:21 pmQuite hypocritical to comment on others’ faults without acknowledging that WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM, don’t you think?
Comment by dano347
Agreed. But that's S.O.P. for the Filthy Left. They mind everybody's business but their own.
A news report just aired in Houston two days ago about Chinese sex slaves working right here in my city. The police said that EVERY massage parlor they raided was a front for forced prostitution. They charge a family or a person $50k to smuggle them into the country and then a girl has to "work" off the debt. Considering the fact that the Chinese government do use prisoners for comercial organ harvesting including using skin from freshly harvested humans as an ingredient in a collagen skin cream, and considering the Chinese raise St. Bernard pups as food....I've no doubt they are cashing in on slave trade as well.
I can't wait to read a story on all this dastardly behavior from "progressive" Red China on this "Think Progressive" site. Consider that a double dare administrators.
Ladies and gentlemen we are surrounded by evil. Choose your battles wisely or we are all screwed.
September 23rd, 2005 at 2:47 pmI would suggest boycotting gas stations that serve gas derived from Middle Eastern oil. I try to bias my gas purchases towards Citgo,
comment by MAC
Diamond Shamrock and Phillips also use domestic oil. But I disagree. Once it's burnt it's gone. Let's burn Arab oil instead of ours and if things get too nasty with them we then sneak in and steal their country. That's what the Green Army Men want to do.
September 23rd, 2005 at 2:53 pmI’m assuming your saying our only options are genocide or walking to the mall. Is that what you’re saying?
Comment by Andrew
Why do you guys always use the word genocide for killing the enemy. Was it genocide when we killed Germans, Italians,Japanese, Mexicans, Vietnamese, Koreans,Chinese, Cubans, let's see, who else have we killed because we didn't like the way they looked?
But call it what you want just tell me you've got a better idea. Oh, and don't forget to tell me what it is.
September 23rd, 2005 at 2:58 pmGas boycots don't work! Gasoline and oil are bought and sold in commodity exchanges and wholesale markets so it's impossible to know exactly where that gas you're putting in your tank originated. Sorry.
September 23rd, 2005 at 2:58 pmYou repeatedly used the phrase "Carpet Bombing" which to me implies massive casualties and almost total destruction.
How about this for an idea... let's not let them off the hook every chance we get! Let's take a tougher negotiating stance at least once! We get most of our oil from countries other than saudi arabia so what are we so afraid of?
September 23rd, 2005 at 3:01 pm"Now I have a question for you and the rest of the Filthy Left and lurk on these pages. If you are going to seethe and whine about sex slaves that are the tradition in a corrupt heathen culture, and if you’re going to bitch about us not doing anything about the radicals in countries other than ours, why in hell do you give your full faith and support to International AIM and CAIR?"
Pretty broad brush you're using, perhaps I should do the same; since YOU didn't mention slavery in the U.S. ONCE in your long tirade against your favorite boogyman, the "filty left" - NOT ONE WORD in how many paragraphs? YOU are the hypocite, buddy - don't try to pass the buck. And I knew it wouldn't be long before you started in with the eliminationist rhetoric - punks like to talk big - until you meet them in the alley.
September 23rd, 2005 at 3:18 pmAnyone curious if this trade has picked up during the war... With all OUR private contractors making big bucks, and people disapearing from Iraq? You think, if we made a big deal about this, it might lead to a few embarrassing people?
September 23rd, 2005 at 3:29 pmI think it's always interesting when someone brags about being a Christian and then talks about hanging people from light poles in the next sentence. Very Christlike pose, that one.
And then calls liberals the hypocrites. Very interesting indeed.
September 23rd, 2005 at 3:30 pm#52 MAC - Even thought Citgo gets oil from the ME and some of the gas at the pump was bought from who knows where on the spot market, Citgo is still a 100% owned subsibiary of PDVSA, the Venezuealan national oil company. Therefore dollars that you spend there go directly to PDVSA (Citgo wrote a dividend check in the $100s of millions back to Venezuela) which goes inot the government coffers. In turn, the Venezuelan government funds many social programs to help the cronicallly poor in that oil-rich nation, paying for doctors, reading programs, food and farm cooperatives etc. That's where some of your money ends up, instead of shareholders of the 'big bad 5' who presumably can already afford health care, groceries and know how to read.
September 23rd, 2005 at 3:35 pmI think it’s always interesting when someone brags about being a Christian and then talks about hanging people from light poles in the next sentence. Very Christlike pose, that one.
And then calls liberals the hypocrites. Very interesting indeed.
Comment by ohdave
I don't brag about it. That's just the way it is. But it is the very Christian thing to do to kill your enemy who would kill you and your family. It's the Christian thing to do to punish "evil doers". Just be a good American and you won't have to do the "air dance" when we clean house.
September 23rd, 2005 at 5:08 pmHow about this for an idea… let’s not let them off the hook every chance we get! Let’s take a tougher negotiating stance at least once! We get most of our oil from countries other than saudi arabia so what are we so afraid of?
It isn't in our national interest right now to spank the Royal Family in front of the entire world for something they really have no control over.
Sanctions didn't work against the Nazis and sanctions didn't work against the Russians.
I don't know what the answer is but I do believe this; if we don't find a way to stop radical Islam we are going to get hurt so bad you can't believe it. It would help if the "loyal opposition" did not try and stop every initiative and go out of their way to aid and abet our enemies in that Islamic camp. Can we agree on that?
September 23rd, 2005 at 5:15 pmDWP.
Drunk With Power.
September 23rd, 2005 at 5:37 pm#61...
Let's notagree that anyone is "aiding and abetting our enemies in that Islamic camp."
Let's start by agreeing that not all "Islamics" are evil, fundamentalist terrorists.
Then perhaps we can agree that some other religious fundamentalists are just as bad. Look at the Troubles in Northern Ireland for a Christian v Christian religious war.
Then perhaps we can start working on what the problems are and how we can solve them. A specific religion is rarely the problem. Attitudes towards it might be. Fundamentalists usually are.
Z.
September 23rd, 2005 at 5:43 pmDWP = Delusional while paranoid. That's the neocons in a nutbar.
September 23rd, 2005 at 5:48 pmPardon me if you would at this point, I hope you'll allow me just to say a few words in the interest of clarification. You know, I've noticed a lot of people say things like 'the Christian thing to do is this, or that'. Its funny how what one actually says about something never makes it to the surface. It gets a little tiresome being the justification for all kinds of death and destruction. You know, I found that whole Crusades thing very upsetting.
Oh, sorry, I'm rambling on a bit. I should really come to the point. On the subject of enemies, you know I distinctly remember saying this:
"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy; But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those whose persecute you, so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?" and then there was this: "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who treat you badly." And finally this: "you know the commandments: you must not kill..."
Well that's it from me, see you later for the Rapture.
September 23rd, 2005 at 5:54 pm"Sanctions didn’t work against the Nazis and sanctions didn’t work against the Russians."
That's true - but the american republican nazis like Prescott bush were money laundering for Hitler... You guys always seem to find a way to protect each other across national boundaries. A fascist is a fascist.
September 23rd, 2005 at 5:55 pm"I don’t brag about it. That’s just the way it is. But it is the very Christian thing to do to kill your enemy who would kill you and your family."
MrWrong, have you actually read the christian bible? Silly question - of course you haven't!
* Thou shall not kill (Exodus 20:13).
* Put your sword back in its place, for all who draw the sword will die by the sword (Matthew 26:52).
* Do to others what you would have them do to you (Matthew 7:12).
* Love your neighbour as yourself (Mark 12:31).
* Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you (Luke 6:27).
* But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also (Matthew 5:39).
* My kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36).
* We must obey God rather than men (Acts 5:29).
* For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms (Ephesians 6:12).
* To seek rule by man is to reject the rule of God (1 Samuel 8).
September 23rd, 2005 at 5:59 pm* Honest people are too busy making an honest living to accept political power, so only the corruptible will accept political power (The Parable of the Trees Judges 9:7-15).
* The devil controls man-made governments (Matthew 4:8-10).
* The gentiles have rulers over them, but it shall not be so among Christians (Mark 10:42-45). (Notice that the word for rulers here in the Greek is archos. Therefore some say Christians are by simple deduction an-archos or in English anarchists).
MrWrong isn't a Christian, he's a radical terrorist...
September 23rd, 2005 at 6:00 pmAnd this is the guy whom over half of voting voters picked to represent their ideas. I wouldn't want to be friends with any of them.
September 23rd, 2005 at 6:34 pmChild sex trade? Now I wonder why Michael Jackson picked that country to move to?
September 23rd, 2005 at 6:54 pm"A specific religion is rarely the problem. Attitudes towards it might be. Fundamentalists usually are."
This is so true. I once heard a buddhist make the argument that war was OK because the buddha had killed in a previous incarnation. I guess it had never dawned on his fragile psyche that there might be a reason that previous incarnation hadn't reached enlightment whereas the one that didn't kill had...
This beautifully illustrates the point however. Even a religion which explicitly forbids warfare can readily be distorted by hateful and selfish fundamentalists. They are the true problem in both the religion and the world.
To me, I see NED, MrWrong and AphroDingey and I see Osama. They aren't 'fighting' terrorism, they're spreading it.
September 23rd, 2005 at 6:59 pmWhen a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of
September 23rd, 2005 at 7:18 pmsix years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may
allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to
foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the
slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her
as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries
her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail
to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may
leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
To me, I see NED, MrWrong and AphroDingey...yadayaadaaa
comment by Princess Ryan
When you're around I think of an emaciated little homo with a chemo bald head and zero chance of voting for Hillary.
September 23rd, 2005 at 7:47 pmThere goes I-RIGHT-I talking about his homosexuality. Just don't let any of your right wingnut friends hear you spreading your gay love. They might tie you to a fence post and beat you to death.
September 23rd, 2005 at 7:52 pmSkid...you need a new joke writer. Really.
September 23rd, 2005 at 7:56 pmYou need to talk about something other than being a homo. People will stop talking to you over there in Texas. They aren't real big on homos there.
September 23rd, 2005 at 8:01 pmhe may not reduce her food or clothing or fail
to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may
leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
Comment by SourDove
Ahhhh...those were the good old days..sigh. Very nice. Do you know what that means in the context of the day or did you just google Bible/Slave?
September 23rd, 2005 at 8:45 pm(Notice that the word for rulers here in the Greek is archos. Therefore some say Christians are by simple deduction an-archos or in English anarchists).
Comment by Ryan Neat
Paraphrasing the Bible to make a point is a meaningless trick. Understanding what you read in context of the entire scripture is more than a life long vocation. As a Homo/Hindu who once visited a seminary of some sort one doesn't need to think too hard to figure out where you fit in.
September 23rd, 2005 at 9:00 pmThis beautifully illustrates the point however. Even a religion which explicitly forbids warfare....
comment by Pope Ryan the Sweet
Prove it.
September 23rd, 2005 at 9:03 pm#78
There you go talking about homos again. Dude, I am telling you, people will think you're a homo if you keep talking about it.
It works like this:
I always work George Bush's stupidty into every conversation I have. Poeple know I think George Bush is a moron, because I talk about it all the time.
You on the other hand talk about homos all the time. Pretty soon, if not already, people will think you are a homo, because it is your favorite topic.
September 23rd, 2005 at 9:17 pm"This beautifully illustrates the point however. Even a religion which explicitly forbids warfare….
Prove it. "- MrWrongEveryTime
Sure thing mr ignorant of all things religious... Note about the importance of correcting lies with truth - I live by this one... It's part of why I'm happy to correct a lying selfish propagandist like you on a daily basis...
Buddha:
In those who harbor such thoughts as, "He abused me, he struck me, he overcame me, he robbed me," hatred never ceases.
September 23rd, 2005 at 9:18 pmIn those who do not harbor such thoughts, hatred will cease.
Hatred never ceases through hatred in this world; through nonviolence it comes to an end.
Some do not think that all of us here one day will die; if they did, their dissension would cease at once.
One should give up anger, and renounce pride.
Let a man overcome anger by loving kindness; let him overcome evil by good; let him overcome miserliness with generosity; let him overcome lies with truth.
"When you’re around I think of an emaciated little homo with a chemo bald head and zero chance of voting for Hillary.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I"
The fact you even think about how I look is just too creepy for words. You're a sad sick little pervert..
September 23rd, 2005 at 9:19 pm"Ahhhh…those were the good old days..sigh. Very nice."
And this and the fact that you're a tranny chaser is why you're still single...
I didn't see your answer explaining why you hit on a transvestite soldier? Care to elaborate on why this doesn't make you gay?
September 23rd, 2005 at 9:21 pm"Paraphrasing the Bible to make a point is a meaningless trick."MrAlwaysWrong
And yet this is the only trick you seem to have...
September 23rd, 2005 at 9:21 pm"Understanding what you read in context of the entire scripture is more than a life long vocation."MrAlwaysWrong
For those who are semi-literate growing up in the Texas school system, perhaps so... I find it rather easy reading personally. But then I actually like religion and recognize it for what it is, I don't cower in fear like an irrational little girl like you do every time I think about it... See to me god isn't separate, and I live in the space of communing with the universe daily - that's why I have real compassion for people, even for lost fools like you... But then again, I'm someone devoted to the principles underlying the religion, not just the illusionary tools of power you think you'll get from it...
September 23rd, 2005 at 9:24 pm"You on the other hand talk about homos all the time. Pretty soon, if not already, people will think you are a homo, because it is your favorite topic.
Comment by SpudgeBoy "
MrWrong is repressed, most likely he's gay, but I was tipped off to him posting a transexual soldier's website and trying to make cozy telling he/her that he was in houston, etc., and generally being a pest. I suspect he's really twisted and isn't just the run of the mill queer - there's something dark and evil in him well beyond the normal ugliness of repression. No this is some secret he REALLY wants to bury. Like a gay serial killer or something... They actually caught one of those in the 70s - the guy was the son of a minister and he was so freaky and repressed he used to go to parks and have sex with men then kill them when he was done. I saw it on some documentaries about serial killers once - pretty scary crap. And considering he was making death threats last week, it's just way too coincidental for my comfort...
September 23rd, 2005 at 9:28 pm#85
You hit the nail on the head again. The bible is not that difficult to read or comprehend at all. It is very simple and I will break it down for everybody right now.
The entire meaning of the bible, koran, tora is this right here:
Don't be a fvcking dick (or bitch if you are female).
That is it. The entire book is about not judging other people. In other words, being a dick.
I-RIGHT-I is a dick. He will always be a dick and he will go to hell because of it. Plain and simple.
September 23rd, 2005 at 9:29 pmWith some of the decisions that George W. Bush, has been making over the last few months. Anybody could think that he had fallen of the wagon. If he is drinking again, there could be some serious ramifications, for the United States of America, and its citizens.
Let's face it Bush is bad enough when he is sober. What will he be like when making key decisions, when he is half-cut? Especially if Bush keeps calling out the names, of non-existent people.
September 23rd, 2005 at 10:08 pmSpudge,
You're a philosopher and a gentlemen - our country is truly fortunate to count you among us. MrWrong should run of with AphroDingy's husband to canada to get married, and then she and NED can run off to israel to become the terrorists they've always dreamed of being. Then they should leave the US to those of us that are actually interested it being a good place for everyone (rich and poor), and not just the sleazy, greedy, cynical and snotty that have stolen the last several elections.
September 23rd, 2005 at 10:08 pmSpeaking of the Saudis, they warned us to day that we've screwed up big time in Iraq, and that it would possibly turn into a regional wide war because of our stupidity and mismanagement.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/092305K.shtml
Hey, wasn't the end of the cold war supposed to put a stop to all of this? Weren't we told that Russia was behind all of this worldwide conflict, and that if we just spent ourselves into oblivion to bankrupt them that we'd have a beautiful and pieceful world? Do you mean the republicans were inept boobs who were scamming themselves and me just to have an excuse to implement irrational, radical and ineffective economic policies?
Well I guess that's what happened...
September 23rd, 2005 at 11:10 pmNick, old bean, there are several tales circulating now that Chimpy and his old pal Jimmy Beam are pushing 'the boat' out again... http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/63426
Now this is National Enquirer which makes the Sun look like a sober commentary on the human condition, but they were right about Jen and Brad....
Then again you can look here at Smoking Gun for an odd glimpse into the mind of the 'leader of the free world... http://www.thesmokinggun.com/bush/bush.html
September 23rd, 2005 at 11:15 pm"I-RIGHT-I is a dick. He will always be a dick and he will go to hell because of it. Plain and simple." - spudgeboy
"The entire book is about not judging other people." - spudgeboy
Being a little judgmental on old I-RIGHT-I, aren't you, spudgeboy?
Contradicting yourself? Being a hypocrite?
However, I agree with your assessment of old I-RIGHT-I.
It's freedom of speech, though, and he can say any dern fool thing he wants with that InvincibleIntellect.
He's living his own hell, guaranteed. There is no need to condemn him to hell by anyone, he's doing a fine job on his own.
He's a slave to his dogma.
September 23rd, 2005 at 11:21 pmRon,
The Jesus that I know called a duck a duck. You will remember that Jesus was a pacifist, but he did lay the smack dab on the preachers that were selling stuff in the temmple. Jesus didn't walk into the temple and say "Gee guys, I wish you wouldn't do this at dad's house." No, Jesus went in and kicked ass. That is written in the bible. JESUS KICKED ASS (well, not like that). But he did.
The problem is people have confused pacifist with "Just go ahead and walk all over me"
September 24th, 2005 at 12:24 amWhile Hinduism and buddhism (a branch of hinduism) have a lot to say about piece - they also are critically clear on the importance that lies should be met with truth. The truth is that MrWrong lies and shows no signs of a critical intellect... And therefore I follow my teachers and correct his lies and call him the liar that he is. This is not hateful - it is truthful. But if you're a lying moron, I'm sure the truth can seem hateful.
September 24th, 2005 at 12:50 amI find it rather easy reading personally. But then I actually like religion and recognize it for what it is, I don’t cower in fear like an irrational little girl like you do every time I think about it… See to me god isn’t separate, and I live in the space of communing with the universe daily - that’s why I have real compassion for people, even for lost fools like you…
comment by Ryan "I am not a girl!" Neat
You certainly spend a lot of time defending your homosexuality and "other worldliness". I guess that's just part of the program for someone caught up in the homo sub-culture out on the edge of the lunatic fringe. I can't imagine how lonely it must be out there communing with empty space. No wonder homosexual suicide is epidemic.
September 24th, 2005 at 5:59 amGeorge Bush hits the nail on the head and addresses the problem of ignoring the wolf at the door. I've noticed that some of you "little pigs" think that wolf in Islamic clothing is really just another peace loving moonbat like yourselves. This is why you can't be allowed to have power....Here's George bitch slapping Clinton for being a fool.
- President Bush: Clinton Weakness Led to 9/11
"The terrorists saw our response to the hostage crisis in Iran, the bombings in the Marine barracks in Lebanon, the first World Trade Center attack, the killing of American soldiers in Somalia, the destruction of two U.S. embassies in Africa and the attack on the USS Cole. The terrorists concluded that we lacked the courage and character to defend ourselves and so they attacked us," the president added, in quotes picked up by United Press International.
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September 24th, 2005 at 6:46 amIn turn, the Venezuelan government funds many social programs to help the cronicallly poor in that oil-rich nation, paying for doctors, reading programs, food and farm cooperatives etc.
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Too funny. That reads like a Soviet tour guide monologue of the '60's. Back then farm coop's were another name for forced labor camps and reading programs were...well, I guess Marx never really gets old.
September 24th, 2005 at 9:56 amHey Nazi, its not my opinion, it is fact:
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/05/08/news_pf/Worldandnation/Venezuela_s_oil_wealt.shtml
September 24th, 2005 at 12:01 pm"You certainly spend a lot of time defending your homosexuality and “other worldlinessâ€. I guess that’s just part of the program for someone caught up in the homo sub-culture out on the edge of the lunatic fringe. I can’t imagine how lonely it must be out there communing with empty space. No wonder homosexual suicide is epidemic."
Actually I never even brought up the subject - you did (as always). You keep projecting your fixation on the subject, and accusing others of having it. Virtually every post you have contains some gay reference, slur, insult and condemnation. The first time I ever mentioned it was in response to you sluring someone on the site calling them gay - at which point I pointed out that homophobes are almost always closeted (and sometimes psychopathic) gay men. At which point you said you substituted your expertise for those of doctors, and that you KNEW what homosexuality was, and that the PHDs at that AMA were nothing...
So the fact is you have the fixation, you have the hatred, and you are clearly not normal - otherwise you wouldn't be so fixated on the topic as you are...
But then again, if you could actually think clearly enough to realize this - you'd probably also realize that your constant reposting of the same lies that were previously debunked is clearly a psychosis as well...
September 24th, 2005 at 1:17 pmActually sweet pea you told us all that you're a homo while defending the practice, er..the pathology.
For future reference please note how I say just as much or more than you with only 10% the words. Also notice that my homosexual slurs directed at you are short and sweet. You know, how you describe yourself to your anonymous sex partners. Sort of "less is more", oh, wait, you use that one too. Sorry, my bad.
September 24th, 2005 at 2:24 pmAre you over here preaching about being a homo again. I am really starting to think that you want a hot throbbing cock in your ass. Really man, all this homo talk is starting to make me not want to have these conversations with you. The only thing you can think about is a big stiff dick in your mouth. Good lord! Can't you just keep your homosexuality to yourself. We don't mind if you like to take it up the ass, but I don't think you need to shout it to the world. Good luck with the 'roids.
September 24th, 2005 at 5:51 pmAre you over here preaching about being a homo again. I am really starting to think that you want a hot throbbing cock in your ass. Really man, all this homo talk is starting to make me not want to have these conversations with you. The only thing you can think about is a big stiff dick in your mouth.
comment by Shit Stain
I know you're just trying to be nasty but the fact is the way you put all that leads me to believe you don't think the homosexual lifestyle is a valid or reasonable expression of human sexuality. Be careful or you'll hurt Ryan's feelers. You know how sensitive he is.
September 24th, 2005 at 6:38 pmMrWrong,
I'm not sensitive - you are, as clearly the realization of your own homosexuality has caused a psychotic break. Almost everything you write has gay references, and it's clear that the fact that the organization of the APA (you know doctors) say you're in fact homophobic and therefore mentally ill. Go read the APA site on homophobia and its treatments...
And you love to dismiss the APA, so the next time you need a doctor, go to a midwife to get them to pull your head out of your ass instead - clearly it would be a more useful treatment for someone who doesn't believe in doctors...
September 24th, 2005 at 7:40 pmFYI Mr Wrong,
I never said I was gay, but it's clear that you are...
September 24th, 2005 at 7:40 pm"For future reference please note how I say just as much or more than you with only 10% the words. "
I always thought it was because you had limited vocabulary...
"Also notice that my homosexual slurs directed at you are short and sweet. "
Slurs are an interesting choice of words... A slur is usually the product of someone who's uneducated and resorts to a stereotype or a lie in order to produce a reaction. Limbaugh and Hannity use slurs because they cannot use reason and logic to win - it's clear you fall in the same skills category... It's the trick of the CON artist (or CONservative - the same thing)...
"You know, how you describe yourself to your anonymous sex partners. Sort of “less is moreâ€, oh, wait, you use that one too. Sorry, my bad."
In your case less is nothing... I've never had anonymous sex - what's that? Is that one of your sexual pratices you use to remain in the closet?
September 24th, 2005 at 7:44 pmLet me restate that for you.
Being terse is not a sign of being a better communicator, but it is often a sign of not having any original thoughts...
I've seen your 'slurs' on dozens of freeperish websites, you're just a clone of every other aryan nation moron...
September 24th, 2005 at 7:59 pmThis law doesn't just exempt them for prosecution of sex slavery, but also for sex slavery involving pedophelia. I was always told republicans stood for values - if sex slavery and pedophelia are its values, how does anyone vote for it? Are any americans really that stupid?
September 25th, 2005 at 2:10 amThis law doesn’t just exempt them for prosecution of sex slavery, but also for sex slavery involving pedophelia.
comment by obviously stupid
Hey, Stupid. There is no law being passed or being circumvented. It was a congressional "finding" (not the correct word) to "bitch slap" (not the correct phrase) countries that have this problem and who don't do enough about it.
Do you actually read the article or do you just squat and shit in the middle of the tread making things up as you go?
God, how I hate public education.
September 25th, 2005 at 8:06 amQuestion do you think Mr. Bush has salvation? Another wordS do you think Mr. Bush will go to Heaven?
September 25th, 2005 at 11:39 am"failing to do enough to stop the modern-day slave trade in prostitutes, CHILD SEX workers"
Clearly obvious was right, and the fascist propagandist was wrong. The saudis were given exemption and aren't required to enforce pedophile sex worker laws. I was clearly correct that MrWrong may very well be a pedophile since he can't even come out against protecting his fellow sickos in Saudi Arabia. He clearly possess no morality on any topic. Figures...
September 25th, 2005 at 7:00 pm#78... "Paraphrasing the Bible to make a point is a meaningless trick. Understanding what you read in context of the entire scripture is more than a life long vocation."
What... You are telling me here that nobody will ever understand the Bible in Context? After all it takes more than a life.
That sounds like pure hogwash to me. Or are you going to claim that in order to understand the Bible, you can only do it through divine inspiration? If that was the case you wouldn't need the Bible at all. After all God could strike you with divine inspiration without you having read a single word of it.
I think the most appropriate Bible quote for this attitude muist be...
Jesus Wept.
Z.
September 26th, 2005 at 11:09 amYou do know that Prescott Bush earned the family's weatlh by trading with the Nazi's? Money and strategic alliances will always trample human interests,alas.. The Bush Administration is showing that is nothing more than a policestate, rapidly turning into an overt fascist dictotarship... Like it or not. read: newamericancentury.org
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