The Army investigatation into new abuse charges
By on Sep 27th, 2005 at 10:39 pm
The Army investigatation into new abuse charges
is focused more on tracking down the whistleblowers than the people accused of torturing detainees.
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Makes sense.
September 27th, 2005 at 10:37 pmKill the messenger is also SOP in
the Cheney administration.
GOP, Your corruption is bursting out everywhere.
Investigatation??????
Do you mean investigation?
September 27th, 2005 at 11:04 pmI think it’s in the manual.
September 27th, 2005 at 11:11 pmDuh,
The fascists are in charge, bad news is bad for truth, and thereby undermines the propaganda delusional swill fed to the masses. Of course they’re gonna shoot the messenger. After all, they BELIEVE in the validity of torture, because they’re sicko fascists!
September 27th, 2005 at 11:11 pmNo shit, Dick Tracey! What did you expect? Hopefully the Bushco will finally experience the fifth corollary to Muphpy’s Law: Shit flows uphill at the most inopportune time.
September 27th, 2005 at 11:19 pmMy apologies to Mrs. Tracy and Mrs. Murphy.
September 27th, 2005 at 11:20 pm#2
I think fumigation would be more appropriate.
September 27th, 2005 at 11:22 pmMy favorite army story of the week. This is such irony!
Speaking of FUCKED UP policies in the military. Remember “Don’t Ask… Don’t Tell”? Now that the Army NEEDS soldiers, get this:
U.S. sends openly gay soldiers to Iraq
September 27th, 2005 at 11:50 pmNational Guard troops and reservists who come out to their superiors are routinely sent to serve in Iraq under a policy designed to prevent soldiers from falsely claiming they are gay to avoid duty, an Army spokesperson said last week. “If a soldier ‘tells,’ they still have to go to war and the homosexual issue is postponed until they return to the U.S. and the unit is demobilized,” said Kim Waldron, a civilian employee at U.S. Army Forces Command at Fort McPherson, Ga. LGBT advocacy groups have long maintained such a policy was in place, but Pentagon officials had denied it. Washington Blade (9/23)
#4 Ryan N., you intrepid antifascist, there you go again. Case in point, from Kevin Drum:
Last June, as you may recall, Democrats had a lead of at least 9 points in generic congressional polls, but when November rolled around Republicans won 51% of the congressional vote. In other words, a 9-point lead at this stage of the game means that in reality we’re running about even — and that’s bad news, not good. After the pummeling Bush has taken lately, Democrats ought to be far ahead.
. . . George Bush is failing miserably, his approval ratings are in the tank, the liberal base is seething with anger, and yet it’s all translating into….nothing. E.J. Dionne explains why today:
“[The Democratic] party’s problems are structural and can be explained by three numbers: 21, 34 and 45. According to the network exit polls, 21 percent of the voters who cast ballots in 2004 called themselves liberal, 34 percent said they were conservative and 45 percent called themselves moderate.
“Those numbers mean that liberal-leaning Democrats are far more dependent than conservatively inclined Republicans on alliances with the political center.”
These numbers have been rock steady for decades, and their meaning is simple: . . . we have to win support pretty far into the conservative end of that moderate center, and people like that simply aren’t going to respond to anti-war rallies and screaming campaigns . . .
And hollering about fascism, fer chrissakes! Yes, stick to our guns, punch back, tell the truth, but for starters, we have to be a little more sophisticated about our use of language.
On the other hand, I’m not so sure I agree with Kevin about antiwar rallies. What’s up with that?
September 28th, 2005 at 2:23 am“Last June, as you may recall, Democrats had a lead of at least 9 points in generic congressional polls, but when November rolled around Republicans won 51% of the congressional vote. In other words, a 9-point lead at this stage of the game means that in reality we’re running about even — and that’s bad news, not good. After the pummeling Bush has taken lately, Democrats ought to be far ahead.”
Actually there was as much as 14% deviation between the exit polls and the ‘official’ tallies. It’s called diebold! Perhaps you missed the news last week, but a diebold deepthroat came forward. And 3 weeks ago ohio INDICTED 2 members of the election board for clear voter fraud.
“These numbers have been rock steady for decades, and their meaning is simple: . . . we have to win support pretty far into the conservative end of that moderate center, and people like that simply aren’t going to respond to anti-war rallies and screaming campaigns . . .”
Bullshit. The 2000 election Gore won by over a million votes. The exit polls showed kerry won by 2 million votes. The popular vote is NOT the problem, diebold is!
“And hollering about fascism, fer chrissakes! Yes, stick to our guns, punch back, tell the truth, but for starters, we have to be a little more sophisticated about our use of language. ”
Oh please. Sophisticated language is language that accurately portrays the truth. The fact that you’re too much of a wimp to recognize or acknowledge that these guys are fascist is YOUR problem – not mine.
And you never answered my question – which of the 14 points disprove they are fascist. I’m WAITING!
September 28th, 2005 at 2:47 amAnd you and your pussyfooted DLC friends have been pretending to be ’sophisticated’ by calling then NeoCons for years – how’s that working for you? I’d say it’s a STUPID strategy! It doesn’t communicate the facts, the truth OR THE DANGER of these freaks!
Wake and get with the program. With the Fascists you are either with them or against them, they’ll make you decide eventually – but if you do it on their timeframe it will be too late! Mark my words, not that they’ll do you any good when you probably actually hear them!
I’m a pragmatist too, that’s why it took me 5 years for the outrage, the details and the obvious election fraud to push me into action. What will it take for you to realize who these people are? If you don’t know by now then you clearly aren’t paying attention!
September 28th, 2005 at 2:52 amDon’t get me wrong, “these people” are the worst government in the history of the United States. But when I approach my moderate Republican acquaintances, I don’t exactly put it that way.
Part of my reaction to cries of “fascist” arises from the fact that my children have relatives that died in the Holocaust – one shot, another gassed. It’s not a term to throw around lightly, whether all 14 points are met or not.
Who was that badass Iraq veteran dude that ran for Congress in Ohio and nearly won, and may now run for Senate? The guy that called Bush out so well? THAT’s what I’m talking about. That guy knew how to talk truth to power. What was his name?
September 28th, 2005 at 3:05 amPaul Hackett
September 28th, 2005 at 4:50 amIt is to bad Paul Hackett did not win. He was a straight shooter. The people in Ohio need to wake up.
September 28th, 2005 at 8:23 amWe need to get the Repug out of office in 2006.
There were 300 thousand whistleblowers in Warshington on Saturday. They want to put a stop to the war. However, it is better to spend the US government into the poor house than it is to stop the war. A three hundred billion dollar ‘investment’ in Iraq is will be necessary to bring ‘peace’ to the Middle East. The poor suckers in Texas, Mississippi, Louisiana and other hurricane ravaged regions can wait.
America is being bent severely. It’s about to break. Who cares? Let them eat rotted food. Forget the poor in America. They can do without.
George the Short will fill up his 747 with another 47,210 gallons of jet fuel. You can stand in line for your five gallons of gas.
Get to work. George needs another month of vacation and you can pay for it.
You can pay for the torturing of more Iraqis, too. Be a good murkan.
September 28th, 2005 at 9:19 amThe military has no conscience, they do not investigate these incidents. They find a scapegoat then the rest goes hidden under the rug. If they really want to investigation why not an independant, bipartisan commission?
September 28th, 2005 at 11:15 amRon,
I heard on CBS (amazing) that it costs $6,021 an hour to fly Air Force One around. I was stunned that CBS did an anti-Bush piece on the 6 O’Clock News. They talked about his new policy of telling people to conserve gas while he has made seven trips to the Gulf Coast, two trips to Texas (with another one today I believe) and a trip to Colorado.
It is much a do as I say, not as I do attitude.
September 28th, 2005 at 11:33 am#12 Pragmatist, not all fascists are Nazis, but all Nazis were fascists. The Nazis were responsible for the Holocaust – it was not a tenet of fascism. Fascism just advocates corporate control of government, the form of ‘us and them’ in fascism is milder (comparitively) to Nazism, which took ‘us and them’ to racial levels – the Holocaust being the result.
There have been several 20th century fascist regimes: Spain 1938-1975, Chile 1973-1995, Italy 1922-1944, none of these regimes initiated genocide on racial lines like the Nazis. There probably should be another ‘14 pts’ which show when fascists descend into Nazism. I agree there is a major difference in their behavior. I don’t use the term fascist or Nazi lightly. This administration is fascist, so is Ned, but IRI is a Nazi. Watch what people like him say about Muslims, blacks, gays and so on. And, when you hear people on the right talk about ‘our oil’, doesn’t it sound like ‘lebensraum’ to you?
September 28th, 2005 at 11:39 amThe reason Paul Hackett did not win in Ohio was simple. They were still using the Diebold machines which were set to give 51% to the puke, 49% to the dem.
In Ohio and Florida in the past election this is exactly what happened. No matter how many votes Kerry got, he lost 51 – 49.
Still under invesstigation in Ohio is how one county, whose elections supervisor certified that Kerry won by 30,000 votes, the vote when posted by Blackwell in the official vote tallies gave Bush the nod – by – you guessed it, 30,000 votes. The country that Kerry clearly won was given to Bush by – you guessed it – 51 -49.
September 28th, 2005 at 12:11 pmPaul Hackett’s district in Ohio has been conservative republican for at least 50 years. This is the district that produced all the Taft’s including Bob “I cheat at golf” Taft the current, soon to be X, govoner. If his indicment on 4 counts happened before the Hackett vote instead of after, Hacket may have won. Diebold, N.Canton, Ohio probably had a hand in the outcome as well.
September 28th, 2005 at 12:51 pmThere was a very interesting study which was published that CLEARLY shows suicide attacks are not related to Islam, the Koran. Instead it’s the product of extremism where people’s lands are occupied. They use it as a clear strategy to liberate those lands. Once again the ‘terrorists’ who run this country have it wrong in a BIG way. In fact their invasion of Iraq didn’t get rid of the terrorists, it created an entire population that did not exist before!
http://www.buffalobeast.com/83/zaitchik83.htm
September 28th, 2005 at 1:28 pmRyan (#21) – Now on the other hand, I DO agree that the Bush administration meets the definition of “terrorists.” No need to put that in quotes. Not that I would try to get out the vote by saying Bush is a terrorist, but they come closer to “terrorist” than they do “fascist.” And I’m sticking to my guns that Bush and Cheney are oligarchs rather than fascists.
It’s all academic; watch them fall.
September 28th, 2005 at 4:02 pmPragmatist,
Well we have common ground – but you never answered which of the 14 points of fascism Bush hadn’t committed? I can see all of them, clearly you can’t?
September 28th, 2005 at 6:59 pm