Comments on: Bush Misleads on Progress in Iraq

By: Ethan Taylor

Ethan Taylor — Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:22:14 +0000

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By: Benjamin Miller

Benjamin Miller — Thu, 01 Dec 2005 17:15:22 +0000

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By: Gotcha

Gotcha — Tue, 04 Oct 2005 13:26:06 +0000

“please donâ€™t post unless it can be done in a manner similar to Terrytheturtleâ€™s and Patriotâ€™s. This is a classic example of two intelligent people having a candid back and forth.”

We have TtT with such choice rhetoric as “asshats” and “the Chimp” on one side . . . and Patriot with “I donâ€™t find a practical difference between Arabs and Muslims” and “Donâ€™t bother telling me Iran is not Arab” on the other side.

Yes, please don’t post unless you have the education of a 5th grader, at least.

By: David B

David B — Sat, 01 Oct 2005 13:36:41 +0000

How do you know when the President is lying? When his lips are moving.

By: progressive and proud

progressive and proud — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:55:53 +0000

Look trolls, a civilized disagreement where two points are heard and each may have learned something about the other and their opinion or reason for their opinion.

I think you should be here, at least for educational purposes for yourselves, but please don’t post unless it can be done in a manner similar to Terrytheturtle’s and Patriot’s. This is a classic example of two intelligent people having a candid back and forth. We all don’t agree, we are very different. But, we all want the same thing – unity and a forgiving government which we all can feel that we own and control.

I really hope this isn’t lost on you. I learn things everyday and this would help you. Your “how to win friends and influence people” trip ain’t comin’ off so well.

By: Terrytheturtle

Terrytheturtle — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:24:26 +0000

Cynically enough, the asshats in Brussels (mostly Paris and Rome) are trying to play the race card against Turkey to keep them out of the EU. This may be the one thing I am on the side of the Chimp for.

By: Patriot

Patriot — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:22:17 +0000

I like your posts, Terry. I have always read them. You’re a peaceful, sincere person. I don’t like to fight you, nor am I trying to. If my memory serves me you are not an American? Correct? I for one am tired of our foreign policy. Most of us are. And that’s all that matters.

By: Patriot

Patriot — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:17:29 +0000

I see nothing wrong with letting Iraq progress at the same rate as Turkey. VIVA! Democracy! How is Turkey comin’ along there in the EU, Terry?
You’re wanting Jack Daniels served in a Southern Comfort bottle. I guess I’ve been alittle cynical…

By: Terrytheturtle

Terrytheturtle — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:35:02 +0000

#102 and Iran: they had managed to set up a possible Turkey-style moderate government in 1953 under Mossadegh until Kermit Roosevelt and the CIA got to him and stuck in the Shah. Ever hear about what made the locals so radical in Iran in 1979? I don’t believe the ‘not fit for democracy’ line – if the US and the other oil-grabbing imperial powers left them alone, they might do it by themselves.

By: Thomas Paine

Thomas Paine — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:31:19 +0000

#106 – is that my cue to roll over in my grave again?

By: Terrytheturtle

Terrytheturtle — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:29:17 +0000

#102, Turkey, a nation stuffed full of Muslims who seem to be able to pull off a democratic form of Islam enough to convince the EU into considering their membership. So no practical difference? I have a concrete example of nearly 100 million Muslims making democracy work for them. Otherwise you sound like the people who justified slavery on the grounds that the Negro is incapable of looking after himself. How about actually placing some belief in the possibilities of others, isn’t that what’s the US was built on? If the DOI is only meant for people ‘fit for democracy’ then you may as well stop spouting this ‘freedom’ bullshit, crown the Chimp emperor, pass out the guns and start the new American Imperium, because the republic is dead.

By: Patriot

Patriot — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:28:04 +0000

#99
That is a good question, if not the best. Why AREN’T the advancements being showcased for us evry night on TV?
If my administration was as downtrodden as this one I’d be pushing footage of every damn feel good story there was. No, we keep getting the same ole “stay the course like you’re supposed to” sh*t.

By: Terrytheturtle

Terrytheturtle — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:19:14 +0000

#99. True enough, how can you find out? Alterman features a Major blogging once a week, he is good reading. Dahr Jamahl and some of the non-coalition blogs. It is hard to find a journalist who can credibly write about conditions outside the Green Zone. I surf Al Jazeera regularly, but like Fox News, you need to double check them.

Back to Rob Corddry: “The facts themselves are biased, John”

By: Patriot

Patriot — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:15:13 +0000

MUSLIM equivilant, correction.

By: Patriot

Patriot — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:13:35 +0000

I don’t find a practical difference between Arabs and Muslims. My first employer/role model outside of my father was an Iranian who escaped with his wife and life in the back of a pickup while being shot at by radicals during the Iran revolution. He was a minority. The smart ones came here, to the good ole USA. He was the sweetest most peaceful man I knew. And a Muslim. A rare breed.(Don’t bother telling me Iran is not Arab)
Of course, Arabs/Muslims can’t come to the USA anymore…
My point? Arab/Muslims, for the most part, are the Christian equivilant of the dutiful, obediant, berated, dominated, uneducated, sweet little old southern baptist housewife who knows no other way to live.

By: Sharon Cox

Sharon Cox — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:09:02 +0000

No progress, nothing to show, just more baseless words and our best dieing for the Bush big business and vendetta….Blessings

By: Peace Lover

Peace Lover — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:04:07 +0000

Ryan, I don’t understand what it is I’m to prove. I made the “appearance” comment as joke. Your seem to indicate that I was making an argument. I asked some questions I didn’t offer any argument.

By: Peace Lover

Peace Lover — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:56:59 +0000

So I have some questions – how are we supposed to know the real situation in Iraq? How is the rebuilding of electricy and water going? How is the training of Iraqi police going? It seems we have no true source for these questions? Shouldn’t the occupiers be proudly showing off how things are progressing?

By: Ryan Neat

Ryan Neat — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:56:12 +0000

The strawman is the realm of the propagandist and the uncreative. It’s only necessary when they have no REAL argument to defend the indefensible…