Comments on: Vietnam 2005

By: Charlie

Charlie — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 02:36:43 +0000

Hating Bush is so lame. Did you forget this is America. Does noone remember the checks and balances system. Bush is responsible for nothing, the government is responsible. I think it is time for America to stop voting Republican and Democrat and start trying to get a third party. At least vote for a party that shares your ideals. Don’t vote Democrat so a Republican won’t be elected. Vote Libertarian, not Republican. Let’s get rid of the two party system.

By: Zombie Shakespeare

Zombie Shakespeare — Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:08:41 +0000

The fact is that body count DOES matter. The whole point of warfare is to kill the enemy; it’s not just incidental. The mistake in Vietnam was making the body count the ONLY thing that mattered. The Bush admin wants to have it both ways. On the one hand, they don’t want to get into the trap that occurred in Vietnam where excessive interest in body count forced soldiers in the field to exaggerate. But ultimately the real reason for publicly ignoring the body count is to avoid enraging the world, particularly the Muslim world, by disclosing casualty figures (don’t forget all those civilians killed) when they would prefer to emphasize more positive measures of success. On the other hand, now that we can all see that there are few positive measures of success in this war (other than fabricated ones), the Pentagon is now resorting to the body count as proof of success. Hypocrisy perhaps, failure definitely.

By: Mary Poppin

Mary Poppin — Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:39:06 +0000

#63 Were do you get off saying the Filthy Left must be destroyed. The Republican party is going down when we win in 2006. You are being destroyed as we speak.
Bush and his cronies are a bunch of liars. We need to bring our troops home.

By: I-RIGHT-I

I-RIGHT-I — Sun, 02 Oct 2005 16:46:02 +0000

an end to the worldâ€™?? No! I ment an end to WAR!

â€¦please ThinkProgress, can we get the option to edit our posts? Iâ€™m so embaressed. It was NOT a freudian slip I promise!

Comment by Daniel

Actually, you were right the first time. Those that would like to pull a Jimmah “Peanut” Carter and run away really are looking to end the world. It certainly won’t end the war. Jimmy “Peanut” is the one that started it by not flatting Iran when they violated US sovereignty by taking over our embassy. They think we’re cowards and you’re helping them think that. You are and all the other brave progressives are and you’re going to get us all killed. It’ll be the end of the world as you know it. Of course, that’s what Progressives really want. That’s why the Filthy Left must be destroyed.

By: Nancy L.

Nancy L. — Sun, 02 Oct 2005 05:13:23 +0000

Sharon, Marie’s right. I can’t give you specifics right off the top of my head, but there’s always been a history of our gov’t using our own soldiers for experimental purpose, (without their knowledge or consent.) And these are the ones we know about.
Different people, differet ages, different genders,
different backgrounds, all subject groups, from anytown USA.

By: Sharon Cox

Sharon Cox — Sun, 02 Oct 2005 01:42:54 +0000

Maria, thanks for the response. Wow! It just keeps getting worse. We desperately need good changes. Thank’s for the info…..Blessings

By: Marie

Marie — Sat, 01 Oct 2005 23:07:46 +0000

Sharon, that’s an interesting story — our own govt. has a record surreptitiously poisoning us. Other times, they simply neglect to tell the truth. Think back to NYC after 9/11 and they said the air was OK when it was horrible and first-responders are still sick.
You can read this latest episode on washingtonpost.com. Follow down the page to the “health” section. (see, it didn’t make the front page there either).

By: Sharon Cox

Sharon Cox — Sat, 01 Oct 2005 21:31:49 +0000

Again, back in the late 40’s and early 50’s, it was reported in the Wenatchee, Wash. paper in 1975 on a back page that our government had relesed some chemicals in the water supply in Hayward, Calif water. My husband at the time had lived there and was shocked when I read him the article. Said he could remember lots of people getting sick and babys and old folks dieing. Wonder how many other times this has happened. He said they called it a flu. Yah right. So this stuff has been released now by who.? Ha Ha! But not funny. Wonder if I can find this info somewhere. My paper didn’t have anything that I know of. So they are going to experament on us again, still. Guess the rolls of plastic and tape won’t matter much. Hay, trolls our leaders may ask us all to breath deep, are you ready.?…..Many Blessings

By: Marie

Marie — Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:27:27 +0000

Sharon, the Washington Post article today stated that electronic sensors (placed in 30 major cities) to detect biohazards indicated a rise in the level of tularemia bacteria, a biological hazard. It was airborne, and can affect people through inhalation; reactions can take a week. The CDC is informing hospitals nationally of this so that people who come in sick can be properly treated. Extreme cases result in death.

By: Sharon Cox

Sharon Cox — Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:04:49 +0000

Maria # 54 post you mention elevated levels of telaremia. Sorry to sound so stupid, but, is that.?…..Blessings

By: Daniel

Daniel — Sat, 01 Oct 2005 13:28:53 +0000

‘an end to the world’?? No! I ment an end to WAR!

…please ThinkProgress, can we get the option to edit our posts? I’m so embaressed. It was NOT a freudian slip I promise!

By: Daniel

Daniel — Sat, 01 Oct 2005 13:26:35 +0000

I have a hard time driving into Staten Island because of all the yellow ribbon stickers I see. Of course, that’s died down a bit in recent months.

Not only do I find it hypocritical to slap a yellow ribbon on an SUV (and yes, most vehicles WERE SUV’s) but the majority of those ribbons are made in China – so it’s not even as if buying the ribbons support American workers. Trust me, I’ve gone on missions looking for ribbons. Everyone one I’ve seen has a ‘Made In China’ label. Even in online stores the majority are made in China – with a few exceptions.

But really, putting a yellow ribbon on your car is LITERALLY the least you can do. I borrow that line from Bill Mahr, but it’s absolutely true. Unless these people actually have a family member over there, putting a bumper sticker is not helping the soldiers at all.

Send a care package! Make a pen-pal! Those actions would certainly help. How about supporting the troops by keeping our promise to them about when we send them to war? That sounds like a good idea too.

I think the reason the yellow ribbons are fading, is because people are now seeing how asinine it is to have them. More people are becoming aware that a simple sticker is not helping anyone – and we ALL know that all Americans ’support the troops’.

Hey guess what? The Iraq insurgents can’t attack America from where they are. They are not a threat to America. And as much as the White House would want you to think, our ways are not exactly idolized by the rest of the world. Of course most of the world would want peace worldwide, but hardly anyone supports this war because they know we can’t change an entire society which has been this way for years and years and years.

Bush has been trying to patch up his image with Americans, but if he really wanted to patch up his image and gain peace and unity around the world, he’d be looking at what the majority of Americans AND the world want – an end to the world.

Bush could never tell me that he knows better than the rest of the world. He can not tell me that he knows about war and we don’t. He never went to war, neither did his cronies. He’s an alcoholic, and has a criminal record, and failed business record, and comes from a privileged family. There is NO WAY he can tell me that he knows what’s best for America and the world.

I’ll never believe that.

By: Marie

Marie — Sat, 01 Oct 2005 12:14:34 +0000

NOTE:
Saturday’s Washington Post reports that an elevated level of tularemia bacteria was found in the air near the Capitol on the day of the Peach March last Saturday. They are saying it’s probably nothing to be concerned about, but the electronic sensors picked it up. Curious that it would have occurred on 9/24 isn’t it?

By: Sharon Cox

Sharon Cox — Sat, 01 Oct 2005 06:42:53 +0000

Thank’s Marie, will check it out. Wanted to find a great big No more Bush war to cover the tail gate of my old pick up. Only leave the resort once a week to go shopping but there is lots of visators that drive through that could see it. My neighbor is a fradie cat and said “oh you don’t want to do that, someone might do some damage to it.” Bet me, this old 68 pick up and I can manage some more scratches and dents. Ha Ha! So much fear people have…Thank’s again…..Blessings

By: Marie

Marie — Sat, 01 Oct 2005 02:42:49 +0000

Sharon, I think it was the Cafe Press on line.

By: Sharon Cox

Sharon Cox — Sat, 01 Oct 2005 00:32:46 +0000

Good post Daniel, I agree. Maria where did you get your bumper sticker,? I want one..Thank’s……Blessings

By: Marie

Marie — Sat, 01 Oct 2005 00:27:04 +0000

#43 My bumper sticker says “If you voted for Bush, a yellow ribbon won’t make up for it.”

By: Marie

Marie — Sat, 01 Oct 2005 00:23:38 +0000

#40 Nice post, Daniel. Makes sense to me!

By: Terrytheturtle

Terrytheturtle — Sat, 01 Oct 2005 00:04:45 +0000

RPin, I’ve not seen the last of the SW six. It appears full of those kinds of references, maybe I should see it sometime.

By: RPin

RPin — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 23:25:24 +0000

“The implicit statement in the car magnet seems to be: â€˜I support our troops and you pinkos donâ€™tâ€™. â€˜Us and themâ€™, you are either with us or against us. Anyone who says that to me I automatically oppose on principle because that person is either a moral idiot or a fascist.”

I know this is uber-silly, but everytime I hear a neocon saying that, I picture Obi-Wan Kenobi shouting “Only a Sith deals in absolutes!” and drawing his saber to save democracy.