Near the end of a round table discussion on ABC’s This Week, George Stephanopoulos dropped this bomb:
Definitely a political problem but I wonder, George Will, do you think it’s a manageable one for the White House especially if we don’t know whether Fitzgerald is going to write a report or have indictments but if he is able to show as a source close to this told me this week, that President Bush and Vice President Cheney were actually involved in some of these discussions.
This would explain why Bush spent more than an hour answering questions from special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald. It would also fundamentally change the dynamics of the scandal. President Bush could no longer claim he was merely a bystander who wants to “get to the bottom of it.†As Stephanopoulos notes, if Bush played a direct role it could make this scandal completely unmanageable.
UPDATE: Crooks and Liars has the video.
Yes!
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:40 amagain… they lose
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:45 amI’m shocked, shocked I say, to learn that Bush and Cheney may have lied.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:48 am[…] Boom! The Other Shoe Bomb Dropped JT Davis posted this on October 2, 2005 at 10:50 am | In | Source to Stephanopoulos: President Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal […]
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:50 amI’m afraid to hope. I’ve been afraid to hope since the Bush gang stole the White House.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:51 amHello, President Hastert!
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:53 am[…] President Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal Source to Stephanopoulos: President Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal […]
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:53 amThis does my progressive heart good.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:53 amMr. President, your pants are on fire.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:54 amTed Rall has the perfect toon to summarize the comments so far: http://www.ucomics.com/tedrall/
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:55 amChampagne is going to uncorked very soon!!!!! WHIG, Bush, and Cheney are going to be indicted for conspiracy.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:59 am“The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.”
Hm, Chief Justice John Roberts. Interesting…
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:09 amImpeachment, baby!
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:10 amWow, this certainly is big! Like I’ve said before, I didn’t think our government could any less incompetent, but now we hear that even Bush is involved in this mess.
I was worried about Bush pardoning DeLay and Frist, but with this new revelation I’m beginning to relax a bit on that.
If Bush isn’t actually impeached for this, but punished in some other way, I sure hope Bush can’t pardon himself! As Bruce Gottlieb stated in his Slate.com article:
Can the president really pardon himself? No one knows the answer. The Constitution says that the president “shall have the power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.” This sentence, like many in the Constitution, can reasonably be interpreted in several ways. And since no court has ruled on this issue–because no president has ever tried to pardon himself–it remains an open question.”
However, a search on About.com gives a different conclusion:
“The “constitutional challenges” would come primarily from the power of U.S. presidents to grant pardons under Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution, which states in part, “and he [the president] shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.”
In other words, under this Article, a sitting president can grant him or herself a pardon. The Founding Fathers intended this in order to prevent the Executive Branch (the president) from coming under the direct control and influence of the Judiciary Branch (the courts).”
I guess I’m jumping way ahead here when I still have no idea how Bush will even be punished, let aloe IF he’ll punished, or even if he’ll be charged with anything.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:12 amBush is going to be busy investigating his Administration for both the recent failures of FEMA and who is responsible for leaking Plame’s identity. But, as usual, he made it easy on himself: All he has to do is look in the mirror.
I’m waiting for the Republican chorus to start singing that we don’t need no stinking independent special prosecutor to inspect Bush and Cheney’s involvement — why, who could do a better job than Alberto ‘VO-5′ Gonzales, the nation’s top cop?
The cliche is that grand juries will indict a ham sandwich; but what about someone with the intellect of a ham sandwich? (On white toast, of course.)
DeLay, Rove, Scooter, and now Dick and Dubya, too. Karmic payback is fierce mutha– (Shut your mouth!) But I’m talkin’ about America gettin’ shafted!
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:18 amWould a Republican congress impeach Bush and Cheney if indicted? Or if convicted? You have to wonder.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:32 amWith all these people so willing to out a CIA agent, you’d think the CIA would want to make an example of them. C’mon CIA, I know you’re reading this. Leak some info of your own. Let them know who’s boss. :)
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:32 amThis is a very serious allegation, but if it is true, then Bush and Cheney are toast. But President Hastert? Um, I don’t even know what he stands for or how he’d show himself as being different from Dubya and Dick.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:32 amI think it has been very clear for a long time that both Bush and Cheney are ‘hands on’ managers when it comes to their top aides. Libby and Rove report DIRECTLY to Cheney and Bush respectfully. I would seriously doubt Libby and/or Rove would act on their own with such a serious matter. We all know why they would want to discredit Wilson and we also know that this team of politicians are probably ‘the masters’ of dirty tricks politics. The fact that Bush and Cheney would be involved does not surprise this American at all. Soon the trashing of Fitzgerald will begin by the spin machine.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:34 amBush’s top guy and Cheney’s top guy are in the hotseat… is it any surprise the fire’s rising? With Rove and Libby under investigation, how could Puppet-Master and Charley McCarthy NOT be involved?
I wish that argument would fly in a legal setting. If indictments do come down (or go up), it’s going to be a very long and twisty road. And of course neither Bush nor Cheney will ever EVER feel any actual effects of the legal system.
But for now, here’s hoping “If The Shoe” Fitz can bring this baby in for a landing.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:34 amSo, what. There is NO WAY this congress will impeach the president. Bush can rob the bank at high noon and the cops guarding it would not stop him or arrest him. They then would swear he never was there.
That is the USA today. Clinton get worked over for whitewater and a blow job, and Bush can steal, start an illegal war and authorize torture and the killing of civilian and journalists and the condamination of Iraq with depleteted uranium and what happends - NOTHING, NOTHING and 40% of the public thinks he is doing a GOOD job.
This country is ethically and morally bankrupt.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:34 am“Wow, this certainly is big! Like I’ve said before, I didn’t think our government could any less incompetent, but now we hear that even Bush is involved in this mess.”
This is not incompetence. It is dishonesty, treason and corruption to the highest degree. They should have both been impeached for crimes against humanity when they first took the offices they stole.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:35 amBush didn’t testify under oath, did he? Did Cheney testify at all? As happy as I would be for this to be true and to come out in public, I just can’t pin my hopes on it ever happening. These two guys are more teflon coated than Teflon Tom.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:36 amIt will indeed be interesting to see how the GOP reacts if Bush and/or Cheney are indicted for perjury. I heard that in the past they considered lying to a grand jusy an impeechable offence.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:38 amWhere’s the blue dress? This is just a political witchhunt. It was Nagin’s fault.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:39 amHas anybody considered the name being floated for the next Justice is Bush’s personal lawyer. If she goes thru then anything pertaining to Bush that comes before the court she will have to recuse herself from leaving a 4-4 tie.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:41 amI agree, Dan, that they both may be involved: while Bush is kept out of the loop (allegedly)on so many things, he DOES remain in very close consult with Rove, who is, after all, the man who directs him. Cheney is likely the one in control in his office, but Libby is without a doubt, in close, daily contact. I also expect a trashing of Fitzgerald, (Republican notwithstanding) but that possibility might explain in part Fitz’ very tight seal on the case.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:44 amhow perfectly delightful it would be if bush got his tit caught in fitzgerald’s wringer along with the rest of them… even if only rove goes down, i would still party like it’s 1999…
http://takeitpersonally.blogspot.com/ 2005/ 10/ karl-rove-satans-doppelganger.html
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:51 amits been obvious from the start that chimpy and cheney are deeply involved in the whole mess…
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:52 amTeflon is easily destroyed by rough surfaces.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:53 amDon’t get your hopes up. They’ll snake out of it just like everything else. Let’s concentrate on making sure we don’t get another RepubliCon administration in 2008. And don’t even start thinking that 50.00001% of the people in this country will vote for Hilary because they won’t.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:54 amI do not need impeachment yet but indictments for WHIG, Bush, and Cheney. Indictments means that the Bush administration will be SEVERLY politically damaged thus the Democrats could take over both the House and the Senate in 2006. Then in 2006 we should go for impeachment.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:55 amToo soon to make anything out of it all. Don’t count on anyone high up doing time or resigning. Remember Iran Contra?
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:57 amIt is sure fun to dream, but as we ALL know deep down, this will go NOWHERE.
If you thought taking out Delay brought out the smearing, God could not bear the same wrath the RepubliCANTS will bring on Fitzy. Nobody brings down both the Pres and Vice Pres. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Fitzy suddenly “disappear” altogether should he irritate too many higher ups…
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:58 amPresident Pelosi 2007?
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:58 amThe courts wont let impeachment to happen ?.will it?
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:59 amNo matter what criminal activities Bush and his cronies have done, don’t expect anyone to be held accountable.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:01 pmThey run everything, now, including the Supreme Court.
don’t know if anyone will see this, but does anyone know if there have ever been any provisions made, i.e. in the Constitution or subsequent laws, that would enable a ’special election’? i know that parliamentary systems allow ‘no confidence’ votes, but if this thing knocks out both bush & cheney, hastert becomes president, appoints a vp (subject to senate confirmation? yes? no?)and they would just serve out the rest of the term?
And hastert has his own Turkish/Armenian problems, doesn’t he?
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:01 pmRIGHT, remember iran contra.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:01 pmthese evil bastards should have been impeached long ago
aint gonna happen though
cuz this time the media has ZERO balls and
nobody cares
and nobody cares that the elections are rigged so good luck getting a new congress that actually gives a damn
Oh my, how the worm turns.
Chimpy and Blackheart embroiled in the Plame fiasco?!
Once this is out, the scandal will be so unmanageable that no one, I mean not even Rove with Gannon/Guckert plugged into his anatomy will be able to manage this!
Punchy, Fitz won’t have to disappear! All Fitz has to do is stand there looking cute. Chimpy, Blazkheart, Rove, and so many others will be running around like their hair is on fire!
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:04 pmAs an outsider I am used to having a more progressive and objective news media both in TV and Paper.
It has always been known that that Bush and Cheney have been involved from the outset.
Cheney gave the info to Bush and told him that they would have to turn this story around; with Bush’s agreement Rove and Libby were told to go to work.
Bolton is also involved Plames name is on the list of the 34 names not supplied to the confirmation hearing, it is interesting to see that the new UN ambassador visited Plame for a quite talk in jail.
You people have only got one problem and that is the Whitehouse Mafia will not allow special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald to bring charges against Bush or Cheney. Rove and Libby might fall on their sword but I won’t hold my breath.
Your current attorney general who was bush’s counsel is also clearly implicated if not at the beginning he was defiantly at the end in allowing 12hrs to elapse for clean-up.
Patrick Fitzgerald loves the charge of Purgery and several people have committed this I hope he has the guts to start the process to rid America of some of the worst criminals in the history of the country. I wonder?
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:05 pmBoy oh boy, that is big news… Somebody better get to the bottom of this!
Wait! I know… GWB will get to the bottom of this, I know he will - because he’s good at doing this type of hard work.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:06 pmPunchy,
This WILL go somewhere. Here we have Delay indicted on some flimsy conspiracy charges. I am sure Fitzgerald has a lot more evidence for indictments then the prosecuter in Delay’s case. I expect some indictments for conspiracy, obstruction of justice and perjury for Libby, Rove and other WHIG members.
Unclear if Bush and Cheney get indictments but Fitgerald’s report will probably have something in it that Bush and Cheney are involved.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:06 pmI hate to rain on the parade, but how can we impeach when there was no sex involved?
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:07 pmRE: IMPEACHMENT
One word — 2006 Congressional elections (ok, that’s 3)
Heretofore, everyone’s been parroting the line that there’s no way Dems can retake the House and Senate in 2006.
But why is that?
Sheer lack of will, inaction, and ineffectiveness on the part of Dem and DLC leadership?
At this point, Bush’s pathetic poll numbers have finally kicked in for a good little while.
Leaving aside the Diebold issue… what would it take for Dems to retake Congress in 2006 — thus enabling impeachment?
Is there anyone actually looking at potential strategies?
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:09 pmIf this goes as other big scandal news stories have gone, Stephanopolous will be issuing a retraction shortly… One of his details will be off (say his source wasn’t actually a first-order witness), but the rest of the story was essentially correct, and Steph will be pilloried as a liar, and the story will die.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:09 pmI agree with those that have said that they suspected Bush and Cheney were involved all along in the Plame leak. Of course they knew, but there are too many layers between the POTUS and the Veep for them to get into trouble. This will further weaken them politically though, and that is the good thing for those of us opposed to their fascist agenda.
Just watch how quickly the mainstream media drops Stephanopolous’ comment though. Like the Downing St. memo, this will be buried faster than a dog bone in the backyard. hope I’m wrong about that.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:12 pmWhy have we not heard a united Democratic congressional front calling for impeachment? That’s what I want to know. Can you imagine what the Republicans would be doing if faced with something far less serious? Oh–wait. I remember. THEY IMPEACHED. WHERE ARE THE DEMS???
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:12 pmLook at the big picture, kids. It’s not about convictions that will end in pardons for most. The SCOTUS has nothing to do with the impeachment process and impeachment doesn’t always lead to removal from office. It’s about the fact that “conservative Republican” will be a dirty couple of words for the rest of the century. It’s the dawn of a new liberal ascendency in American politics. But I do find the nay-saying trolls very entertaining, if not convincing.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:13 pmToo many layers between POTUS/Veep and the culprits that is.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:14 pmAll things corrupt, dangerous and deceitful committed by this administration and the scariest? Close to half the nation STILL supports them. Absolute power corrupts and we can look to history and expect that. But….why are we tolerating it? If he could run again for the presidency, I’m sad to say that he’d probably win again (or if not, he’d steal it and we’d let him do that, too).
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:16 pmBush and Co. are war criminals and should be tried before an international court of law as such. They will bring America to her knees if they continue to wield their destructive control. Ask yourselves how this disasterous administration came to power and remains there. We are fighting forces that are more formidable and sinister than we may be inclined to recognize. A new playbook is in order with tactics that American patriots have not implemented before….and fast.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:17 pmWhile this revolutiongives pause for hope. I have to say that I can see nothing but lies, spins, and finger pointing to get out of this psoition. When all is said, I doubt anything will come of this.
Part of the problem is the lack of a strong democratic interest pushing the subject. The same thing happened with the Downing Street Memo, remember we thoght we had him then as well, not one democrat pushed for further investigation, so with time it died. To get attention on this possibility that Chimpus was involved, someone on the democrat team needs to make the case and push for a special prosecutor. But, that’s not going to happen because the democrats have abondon their left of center base in favor of the middle of the road moderates. Its comfortable there because there are no expectations and nothing happens in slow motion. Thank God for Move-On and ThinkProgress or the left would have no voice at all.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:17 pmShocked!
It appears that the development in the CIA leak story, which loyal Republicans have been praying would never happen, appears to be on the verge of happening via thinkprogress.org:
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:19 pmAs went New Orleans under this gang of impostering and self-serving bullies so goes the enitre US, indeed, the world, including the NeoCon’s non-inner circle true believers…because they are not of the elect, the predestined…something like the Nurenberg Trials is coming, hear the tumbrils rolling?
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:20 pm[…] And this will teach me to walk away from ABC’s This Week to refill my coffee. As ThinkProgress helpfully pointed out this could- be-a-bombshell dropped by George Stephanopoulos: “Definitely a political problem but I wonder, George Will, do you think it’s a manageable one for the White House especially if we don’t know whether Fitzgerald is going to write a report or have indictments but if he is able to show as a source close to this told me this week, that President Bush and Vice President Cheney were actually involved in some of these discussions.” […]
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:20 pmClinton’s impeachable offense(s):
1.) 3 mL of dried sperm on a dress, not his wife’s.
Bush’s impeachabler offense(s):
1.) Corruption and fraud (Haliburton, et al.)
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:21 pm2.) Lied about Iraq to start a War.
3.) Complicit in the events of 9-11 to sieze power.
4.) Outs a covert CIA agent working on WMDs.
5.) Never finds bin Laden or the Anthrax mailer.
6.) Authorizes torture, murder of innocent Iraqis.
7.) Steals elections with electronic machines.
8.) Steals elections illegally manipulating outcome.
9.) Corruption, fraud, lies and propaganda pervasive.
10.) Cover up of all of the above (Treason, Pejury)
Fitzgerald / Earle ‘08
’nuff said!!
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:22 pmSo, what. There is NO WAY this congress will impeach the president. Bush can rob the bank at high noon and the cops guarding it would not stop him or arrest him. They then would swear he never was there.
If a wedge is hammered between the coalition of different right wing factions, and that is already happening, and GOOPers want to be returned to office in 2006 and 2008, they most certainly will impeach, but not likely remove the little twirp from office. Be patient. This is getting good.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:25 pmI hear Bush is printing his “Acquittal Accomplished” banners as we speak.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:26 pmas someone else alluded…this has the stink of Rathergate all over it.
If Stephanopolus’s source turns out to be bogus, then this story could very well “innoculate” both Bush and Cheney….
Sounds exactly like a Rove scheme
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:29 pmThe important thing to remember re: election 2008 is that the votes will NOT be counted as things stand now. Touch-screen vote-stealing machines have been proliferated throughout America by rabid Republican-owned corporations that have been proven to be designed for untraceable vote theft. Worse than that, the central tabulator machines — those that add up the local numbers for county-wide totals — have also been outed as being designed for untraceable count manipulation (by a “deep-throat” management insider, among others http://www.ecotalk.org/VotingSecurity.htm ).
Read about this in your local or regional newspaper yet?
See it on the corporate media whore networks yet?
There is only one answer: PAPER BALLOTS, HAND COUNTED.
I do NOT apologize for shouting. Please understand this issue in full. Go to http://www.blackboxvoting.org and http://www.ecotalk.org/ VotingSecurity.htm#Educate&Agitate to get the particulars on what’s what, and what you can do.
The next time you hear a converted Republican tell you that he’s so mad that he’ll “vote them (the Repugs) out,” tell him just as fast “no you won’t,” and tell him why. I remember many *sshole Repubs telling me that election theft was a sore loser tinhat story — when election theft went their way. Now that it’s their vote being stolen, they are vulnerable to waking up. Give it a try.
Good luck.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:31 pmComment by cynicalgirl: “Would a Republican congress impeach Bush and Cheney if indicted? Or if convicted? You have to wonder.”
They would impeach him only if they thought that was the politically expedient thing to do. Whihc means only if a large majority of the populace really demanded it–not just “wanted” it, but “demanded” it.
That seems very unlikely to me. My best result scenario is that this scandal encompasess both Bush and Cheney, the public outcry is large but not large enough to force Congress to impeach, and the next election(s) throw a bunch of the lunatics out.
That would just leave us with the problem of finding enough Democrats with good ideas and spines for the change to make a real positive difference.
This country is in SO much trouble.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:33 pmOn his radio show, Thom Hartmann has been discussing this as a distinct possibility ever since the story broke about the Memo sent to Shrub on Air Force 1.
I assume he’ll delve deep into it again on Monday. (Link to the show and archieves are at http://www.thomhartmann.com)
But watch the Slime Boat Liars go to work to trash and bury the story. The sycophants will be changing the focus and the talking points will attack everyone involved in breaking the story.
Unless there’s an indictment, it’ll be forgetton in 30 days.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:33 pmTime to get off your knees America.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:35 pmYou have some criminals and traitors running your country. Stop grovelling and get rid of them….
I hate to rain on the parade, but how can we impeach when there was no sex involved?
Comment by James
gang sodomy rape of all Americans by bushco & friends isn’t sex?
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:39 pmImplausible non-deniability
Atrios says “Put a second bottle [of champagne] in the fridge.”
I just say “Uh oh.” ‘Cause the way this plays out will tell whether this country’s so-called journalists, and maybe even the idea of a responsive American Democracy, are redeemabl…
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:42 pmPlease…almost half the country still supports POTUS because they are stupid enough to believe that he really is ordained by some god to bring about some “end of time” prophecy. It’s the luxury of the ignorant to follow the leadership of the insane. The majority of people in this country will look the other way no matter what the idiots do, just so long as they say they are Christian.
Once the Christian “values” of POTUS and Company have been thoroughly discredited. Once it is brought home that POTUS, veep, and the rest have no values at all except greed and fear, THEN we can talk about getting rid of them.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:43 pmThis info is not new;Tom Flocco and others came out with this info approximately a month ago. Don’t be surprised if a “terrorist” attack happens in Chicago. Bush & Co. are sooo transparent…..
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:43 pm#46
“This WILL go somewhere. Here we have Delay indicted on some flimsy conspiracy charges.”
Yes, laundering $190,000 is pretty flimsy. These fat cats deal with much larger amounts of money.
Oh wait, the average median income is only $60-80 thousand, so to everybody except these guys, $190,000 is a big deal.
Now, why would you think it is flimsy?
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:44 pmThe day any scandal becomes completely unmanageable for Bushco is the day hell freezes over. Bushco has had to deal with 15 scandals that should not have been manageable, but with the help of the MSM, the Rethug ‘yes men’, the Dem ‘yes men’, and an apathetic/dense/confuzed public, Bushco has been able to bring us back to 1984 time and time again. 1984 - up is down, black is white, and truth doesn’t really matter.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:51 pmI liked the comment Stephanie Miller made the other day on her Air America morning show: She was referring to her own mom, a Republican, but it would apply to nearly any Red Stater: “Bush could be videotaped screwing a sheep and then setting it afire on the front lawn of the White House, and you’d say, ‘aw the sheep was lonely, and it was cold.’”
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:54 pmThis sounds like a rove trick/set-up for the media. Like the “fake” real bush national guard records.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:54 pm#74 I sadly agree.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:55 pmIf it’s indeed true that W himself is involved in Plamegate, I can believe the other rumor that he is, once again, nipping at the Jack Daniels.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:55 pm“Forgive me if I smile “
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:56 pmThe day any scandal becomes completely unmanageable for Bushco is the day hell freezes over. Bushco has had to deal with 15 scandals that should not have been manageable, but with the help of the MSM, the Rethug ‘yes men’, the Dem ‘yes men’, and an apathetic/dense/confuzed public, Bushco has been able to bring us back to 1984 time and time again. 1984 - up is down, black is white, and truth doesn’t really matter.
Comment by Peter — October 2, 2005 @ 12:51 pm
There is a limit to the number of gas powered chainsaws even the moist adroit juggler can keep aloft before losing an arm. That limit has been reached.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:58 pmWhy?,The surprise to learn that there has been and always will be a connection to the President as well as to the Vice President of covering up deeds that foster the secretive existence of a policy that goes against the very grain of American life. The pursuit of Life,of Liberty and of Hapiness has been replaced by greed, corrupt idealism, and the fostering of false religious ideas that discriminate against the very existence of all humanity. The leader of the most powerful country in the world surely knows what transpires in his own back yard. Wake up America! View the reality in real time of what the Bush illusion has created. The rich get richer, the poor remain poor and the working middle class becomes more entrenched in its new position as the working class poor. This class will forever bear the brunt of the New Crusades fostered by the lies of the ever manipulating party in power.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:58 pmWill they reveal that this guy is involved?
http://www.designfromnowhere.com/DelayBert.jpg
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:00 pm“Culture of Corruption”
I feel great sadness for our country; for what we have allowed these ethically-challenged, unscrupulous, individuals to do.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:01 pmAre there any honest Republicans left? I guess we will find out soon. Those who condone all the corruption and inefficiency of this administration deserve to be labeled co-conspirators. Cheer up: their party may never survive.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:02 pmAbsentee ballots are: paper,and hand counted. We must flood them and they can stick thoes ‘theft’ voting machines where…… We voters are stuck with voting for the lesser of two evils,but nothing could make me vote republican.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:02 pmWe all know what SHOULD happen. The whole Bush administration should have been kicked out LONG ago. But will it happen? I think not under normal circumstances. Normal political/legal processes will never work with the Bush administration because not only do they “own” the courts, they also own the media, and therefore nearly half of all Americans are totally ignorant as to the true happenings of this corrupt administration. Any news outlet mainstream enough to *really* get the word out is too scared/paid off to do so. We all know that people the world over know more of the truth about our government than our own country does. The only way I see any changes taking place if something drastic happens that causes the lies to be exposed on all levels of news and network TV, or nothing short of a coup.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:03 pm[…] Could be quite big. […]
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:06 pmShoot the lot of them — now!
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:06 pmJeebus! I understand the hopelessness I’m hearing but when you guys voice this kind of resigned cynicism you don’t do anyone any good, least of all yourselves. We may have backslid a bunch in thirty years, but even if we are all the way back to square one, this administration has been halted dead in it’s tracks, and we are the minority party and don’t control any of the branches of government! Quit whining! Who gots da political kapital now, bitch! We are victorious!
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:06 pmThis was widely known when Bush and Cheney hired independent counsel. Because of precedent established with Kenneth Starr, information told by White House staff to White House counsel may be admissable evidence. So, Bush and Cheney went out of house, which was highly strange and suggestive of direct involvement. There’s a lot below the surface and Fitzgerald is a shrew guy. He could have a major conspiracy or even an espionage case under wraps and we won’t know until Indictment Day, which will hopefully then go down as a National Holiday.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:07 pmBush Tied To Leak Scandal
Source tells ABC’s Stephanopoulous President Bush involved in discussions about CIA leak and coverup……
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:08 pmIf you think these people are going to wallow away in shame with their tails between their legs, think again. Those are days gone by. Their teeth are permanently embedded in the flesh of power and they will not let go but to get a stronger grip.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:09 pm#60 - Outstanding comparison.
Can the Head Chimp pardon himself? If he’s this deeply involved in this scandal maybe God Himself can’t help Boy George.
I sure hope this case doen’t get thrown out on a “technicality” or derailed by the GOP Media Spin Machine. If this whole thing holds together, FOB (Friends of Bush) will need to find someone else to worship.
Maybe we can get the governance of a formerly great nation back into the hands of people who know what they’re doing of, by, and for the people?
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:12 pmA half-hearted look at the evidence that even the reluctant, sold-out media has dribbled out clearly shows how corrupt the current administration and the current Congressional majority are. If progressives are unable to deafeat enough Neo-Con members of the House and Senate to win them both back, I look for no change in anything, including the party affiliation of the next administration to be elected in 2008.
For me, 2006 is the make-or-break year for progressives. It sounds melodramatic to say so, but it is “Now or Never!”
I see the need for me to join others to work diligently to defeat Neo-Cons wherever there is the hope of doing so. Time to stop posting on sympathetic websites and blogs, and get out there and work!
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:12 pmOn no, on my God, say it ain’t so, Our fearless Leader involved in a scandal? This is terrible, just terrible.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:14 pmI am a Canadian living in China. I am sure that what I am about to say to you will surprise the vast majority of you. In fact, I expect because of your education, media, and politics you will not believe it at all.
In China, democracy is much more personal and embedded in the minds and lives of the People. There is a history of thousands of years that the duty of those governing the country is to serve the People. Hence, you see new dynasties being installed every so often. The Communist Revolution is just a continuation of their personal feeling of empowerment.
You can see and feel this power with every Chinese person. People in Canada who don’t understand it complain about it, and I am fairly certain Americans do too. We just label the Chinese as rude when they push or stand infront of us. But they are not being rude they are just asserting their democratic right to occupy a space if you are not. Democracy to the Chinese is very simple and very personal.
George Bush has appealled to historic values that originated in four thousand year old Biblical writings and in Greece twenty five hundred years ago. The two are not compatable. Christianity as taught today does not reflect the Biblical teachings of Christ. Christ taught that as a member of a band brothers one should be willing to sacrafice his life to oppose an occupying force. The Greeks unabashedly taught that “democracy” included a slave class as well as a small group of people who were the ruling class.
Not everyone has to know the history and the philosophies being talked about to act in your own best interests. Here is what I suggest you do to be represented more honestly, and fairly. VOTE FOR PEOPLE WHO YOU KNOW OR AT LEAST FROM YOUR OWN SOCIAL CLASS. If you do that you do not need to get your information from TV you get it from your friends and neighbours. In line with what I have already suggested: don’t vote for anyone who has or has access to a million dollars.
Take note:
ANYONE CAN RUN THE UNITED STATES BETTER THAN THE PEOPLE PRESENTLY IN YOUR GOVERNMENT! YOU NEED TO START RUNNING IT. IF YOU ARE ELECTED YOU CAN TAKE SOME QUICK COURSES IN HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS.
ALL YOU NEED TO BE IS HONEST AND YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY DO WORSE THAN THE BUSH GOVERNMENT.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:15 pmoh no oh my God. Don’t know how that ‘n’ got in there.
Bush better have that 747 full of fuel, he may have to make a quick getaway.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:16 pmClinton could not stop Ken Starr — but why do I fear that the Republicans will somehow stop Fitzgerald’s investigation? Will we have some sort of replay of the 1973 Saturday Night Massacre, but no Richardson to step up and do the right thing, i.e. resign?
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:16 pm#87–its not that the populace is ignorant, it’s that they dont care. they dont care what the Iraqis think, they dont care about the CIA and its employees, and they surely dont care about New Orleans.
They care about abortion and fags (their words, surely not mine). thats it. they vote according to the bible, not the country. this involvement means nothing to them. gay marriage would be the apocolypse, however
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:22 pmSometimes, one only needs to sit back and watch as things collapse on their own. It seems to me that we are at last beginning to witness the beginning of the end for this, the worst President in our nation’s history.
I am thankful that the past seven days have at least given me an inkling of the satisfaction I feel my nation and my person are deserving after such a long expanse of time.
A system of corruption and deceit is not sustainable. And frankly, those who attempt to perpetuate such systems are at all times delusional and ignorant to the inevitability of their corrupt institutions collapse.
So please, as you pass through the burning garden, do not forget to smell the roses every now and again. You have earned it!
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:23 pmHELL will not be big enough to hold all the republicans who deserve to go there.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:25 pmbarney from canada
Of course Bush was involved. Remember when he said that “he didn’t know” and “we might never find out who the leaker is.” If you watched his face, he was laughing and smiling. Bush knew all along that Rove was in on this because Bush was in on it too.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:30 pmThe timing of Stephanapoulos’ remark is interesting. Do you suppose this is the secret for which Judy Miller was willing to do jail time? Maybe Scooter had persuaded her to protect Bush til now, but with the Prez’ polls colder than the North Pole these days, perhaps the real powers behind the pupppets have concluded it’s time to throw Bush to the wolves to save themselves.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:30 pm#100 - Punchy, the people you described are less than 30% of the voting population. Do the numbers: a little more than half the eligible voters voted in 2004. Of those who actually voted, only a little more that half voted for the current president (I refuse to utter his name).
I maintain we have no hard evidence of what the rest of the country is thinking. It would be interesting to get out there and talk to them. We might find that they are as disgusted and fed up as we are, but are more demoralized, and so don’t vote.
We won’t know if we don’t go out and ask.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:32 pm#99 Clinton could not stop Ken Starr, but the Repugs can stop Fitzgerald: The Repugs control the entire govt. as well as the press.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:32 pmAnd Fitz has a new boss.
Yes, the absence of troll speaks volumes. But tone or two are here. They just pretend to be hopeless and helpless lefties.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:33 pmhttp://www.trmpac.org - Tom Delay’s TRMPAC
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:34 pm#106–interesting take, especially on the heels of those rumors about Cheney not wanting to help out Chimpy anymore during the Katrina disaster. That he is/was tired of bailing out the dumbass. Perhaps they are about to throw him out, although thats tough to swallow, as it would cast pale on ALL republiCANTS, and surely cost them the next few elections…
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:34 pmPunchy is likely one of the stealth trolls.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:34 pmEarly Punchy:
It is sure fun to dream, but as we ALL know deep down, this will go NOWHERE.
If you thought taking out Delay brought out the smearing, God could not bear the same wrath the RepubliCANTS will bring on Fitzy. Nobody brings down both the Pres and Vice Pres. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Fitzy suddenly “disappear†altogether should he irritate too many higher ups…
Comment by Punchy — October 2, 2005 @ 11:58 am
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:41 pmuh huh. i’m hope you’re joking, cuz now i’m laughing. stealth troll….sounds like a military operation….
back to Chimpy and Friends….is it possible for Bush to remove Fitzy? Can they neuter him with this new boss he has? doesnt that look too suspicious?
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:41 pmDakota - I was thinking maybe she wasn’t as afraid of retalitation from them now that they are slipping…same as you.
I guess we are starting to see why Bush and Cheney had to testify together - they needed each other as witness.
hmmmm…..
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:42 pmtalk about getting our hopes up. i’m a prosecutor myself and as much as i would like to see the whole WH gang indicted in this matter the judith miller thing to me seems like a tying up of a loose end. essentially, before they finished and voted on what they wanted to do the grand jury heard from one last possible witness who apparently didn’t add much. this way the special prosecutor can say “look i did everything but there’s nothing there.” “no stone went unturned.” if i were betting i would say no indictments are coming out of this. i can’t imagine anyone in the wh implicating the pres or vp.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:42 pm#113–its called extreme cynacism. developed and reinforced by watching this Clown in Cheif repeated lie, lie again, get away with it, change the rules for the EPA, FDA, USDA, FEMA, Plame, global warming…it doesnt end.
no, no troll here. just very, very depressed and cynical
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:44 pmTheir base will stick with him come hell or Katrina. Wallstreet is a different story, especially if this storm starts gathering strength.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:44 pmBush was relying on the press to keep their sources secret, thereby keeping the people behind this crime concealed, but Cooper and Miller burned him.
Why else would Bush have said:
“I have no idea whether we’ll find out who the leaker is — partially because, in all due respect to your profession, you do a very good job of protecting the leakers.”
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:45 pmGET A ROPE!
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:46 pmEvery good citizen should shout long and loud now for impeachment and accountability.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:47 pmback to Chimpy and Friends….is it possible for Bush to remove Fitzy? Can they neuter him with this new boss he has? doesnt that look too suspicious?
No.
I’m depressed and cynical all the time and I can tell you for a fact that it’s not going to go NOWHERE.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:49 pmI’m sure there are countless millions who believe it be highly unlikely that Bush and Cheney were kept out of the loop on Plane outting.
To imply Rove and Scooter kept Wilson smear tactics from the men they are responsible and answer to is absurd, if anything, Cheney most likely orchestrated much of the Plame outing, reacalling Rove’s comments to Chris Mathews that; “Plame is fair game” speaks volumes!
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:54 pmPunchy and Kittie - The real power that pulls the strings with this admin resides in big money and Wall Street. It’s essential to big money to keep Repubs in power in 2006. Bush has become an albatross that has everyone talking about a major Repub loss in 2006. I can see the real powers saying that Repubs in Congress getting behind ousting Bush would make them look principled and above the fray and maybe save them, while letting Bush continue his downward slide (and there’s no sign he can do anything at this point to reverse it) has just become too dangerous to the whole enchilada. Maybe.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:55 pmJust a reminder OCTOBER 10th is the 32nd anniversary of Vice President Spiro Agnew’s resignation…..could there be another OCTOBER SURPRISE for this corrupt Bush /Cheney White House?
Time will tell….PRESIDENT HASTERT!
The leaves are turning and the Bush operatives are turning themselves in to the authorities…..
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:55 pmOh come on, people. I’m watching Instaputz Glenn Reynolds , the uber conservative blogger on CNN right now.
Glenn on DeLay:
“After a guy says there is no more fat in the federal budget, how can you believe anything he says?”
This is the uber conservative blogger
http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/9/9/2265/71257
Daily Kos is as big as the entire conservative blogosphere. The left blogs have been kicking cable’s ass too. And you people are whining? Be patient, Rome doesn’t fall in a day.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:55 pmI’m not celebrating till Bush resigns. These sources have been unreliable before, and they seem to be republican plants putting out misinformation to make liberals look stupid, more and more.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:58 pmStop being America haters! This is a great country with mostly good people and they will not allow this shit to continue! Chimpeach Now!
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:01 pmI’m not celebrating till Bush resigns. These sources have been unreliable before, and they seem to be republican plants putting out misinformation to make liberals look stupid, more and more.
Comment by Richterscale — October 2, 2005 @ 1:58 pm
Like you?
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:02 pmI can’t wait to say “But it’s about the law no one is above thw law don’t you agree republican scum suckers?
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:05 pmThere is nothing about this on any of the news website. I can’t find it anywhere on google except this website and buzzflash. What is going on here? Is this being ignored by the mainstream media? OMG, our President outed a cia secret agent and no one cares?
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:05 pmI only hope President Hastert doesn’t pardon them as did Ford of Nixon. They need hard time making liscense plates or making gravel from big rocks…
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:06 pmBut you do have to agree President Hastert….EEEEEEEEWWWWWWWW!
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:07 pmAll we need now is to take back the Congress in ‘06.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:07 pmHello, President Pelosi! (And she even looks a little bit like Geena Davis.)
You can bet Hstert will pardon them all including DeLay and it will be a full complete and total pardon so they can still keep their days jobs in the government and still vote unlike the poor jerks who get busted for a small bag of pot and are unable to vote for the rest of their lives.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:09 pmBush will appoint members of The Cheney Commission to investigate this and find out if it’s true.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:09 pmI predict in the end Scott McClellan will be proved right when he said, “If someone in this administration was responsible for the leak they will no longer work in this administration.”
;-)
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:12 pmHey! How’s that Social Security reform going? When ya going to spend all that political capital? Mandate! My ass!
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:12 pmthe media cannot report just on the basis of what Steph-longname says. first of all, they’d be plugging a rival network and make people think ABC is more “in the loop” (biz decision). Second of all, its not good journalism if they cant corroborate the story.
this may get play on yahoo or msn, but i doubt it’ll be reported on network news until someone can verify Steph’s claim….just my feeling…
however, dont underestimate the power of the blogs. they’re responsible for getting Brown fired, in my opinion
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:12 pmThere appears to be evidence of ’stress’ taking its toll on the Bush administration. I would wager something ominous is going to happen.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:14 pmas someone else alluded…this has the stink of Rathergate all over it.
If Stephanopolus’s source turns out to be bogus, then this story could very well “innoculate†both Bush and Cheney….
Sounds exactly like a Rove scheme
Comment by flash — October 2, 2005 @ 12:29 pm
Troll.
They can only do one thing. Campaign dirty and steal elections. This is not their game. They are on defense and flailing badly.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:14 pmAny sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:15 pmIt was just an unamed source that Stephanopolous cited. Wait, be patient. Jeebus, you people are definitely the fast food, instant gratification generation, ain’t ya?
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:16 pmAny sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
Comment by not_gonna_happen — October 2, 2005 @ 2:15 pm
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Arthur C. Clarke
Incompetence, by definition, is not “advanced”.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:18 pmThank You! Doug, that is a good post. I think our big problem at present, besides the one you mention,is we don’t at present have any one like that to look to. Our country has gotten so polluted by our government officials we as a people can hardly see who is with them or with us. Some tell us they are and then vote with the radical right. There is no longer accountability. Presently our own party members, if they are, have been silent. In fact the silence has been defening. Sad, we must look for a fresh face that has not yet appeared. A champion for our country as it were……Blessings
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:19 pmtalk about getting our hopes up. i’m a prosecutor myself and as much as i would like to see the whole WH gang indicted in this matter the judith miller thing to me seems like a tying up of a loose end. essentially, before they finished and voted on what they wanted to do the grand jury heard from one last possible witness who apparently didn’t add much. this way the special prosecutor can say “look i did everything but there’s nothing there.†“no stone went unturned.†if i were betting i would say no indictments are coming out of this. i can’t imagine anyone in the wh implicating the pres or vp.
Comment by benji — October 2, 2005 @ 1:42 pm
really bad bushit troll
They are here, reading mostly, pretending to be lefties.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:22 pmWOW — this could become complicated … if Fitzgerald interviewed Bush personally, and if the grand jury indicted Bush for conspiracy to obstruct, then wouldn’t Fitzgerald become a witness to a case he’s prosecuting ?
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:24 pmDo not misjudge this case. We are in a time when coup/revolution will topple governments worldwide. The world financial system is blowing out. Bankers and financial forces will seek to install virtual dictatorship in such times to control policy and make sure their debts get paid - even if it kills people. Make no mistake, this is on. Either Fitzgerald moves against this criminal regime, or it’s hell on earth for 100 years. The stakes are so enormous that conventional logic does not apply.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:24 pmDespite the fact that all of you think Bush is corrupt, evil and stupid (not neccessarily in that order), the reality of the situation is this:
Bush is not stupid and would not do something as stupid as revealing a CIA’s agent’s name.
Bush is also not a vindictive person (despite what you liberals think) and would not do this for revenge.
This is rubbish. Even if there is some kind of connection alleged, it will be a lie and a setup and the truth will come out over time (just like it will on Tom Delay). And once again you all will be left stewing in your hatred.
All of these things are a coordinated attack on the Republicans becasue the Dem’s cannot debate us on the issues. They have to resort to this. Pathetic.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:27 pmThe Dems need the House.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:28 pmTreason>Stained Blue Dress.
=Impeachment
As I said on my blog - does this mean that Bush has to fire himself?
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:29 pmImpeachment. Bah. Buncha stupid rules and technicalities.
In this Brave New World of PATRIOT Acts and offshore prisons, we don’t need no stinkin’ impeachment.
On January 21, 2008, the Democratic President uses his executive authority to charge Bush, Cheney, and the whole fetid pack of treason and aiding and abetting terrorism (though, of course, under Bush’s current sheaf of EOs, no actual charges will really be necessary at all).
They are deported to Guantanamo, where they will be held for life without access to family, lawyers, or courts.
And in 3…2…1….GOP will start hollering that the PATRIOT Act and all those Bush-era executive orders are wicked, evil, and unconstitutional….
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:29 pmThe thing that concerns me is that when animals get cornered, they will do anything to survive. As this administration has shown, they will do absolutely anything, without remorse. What more will be “big enough” to distract the public from yet another scandal, I wonder? What can we do to stop this madness?
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:30 pmDoug @ 97
You said: “We just label the Chinese as rude when they push or stand infront of us. But they are not being rude they are just asserting their democratic right to occupy a space if you are not. Democracy to the Chinese is very simple and very personal.”
Fascinating observation. That explains a lot. Anyone taking the jet ferries from HK into the PRC will appreciate that observation.
If you’re ever in Zhongshan, stop into Panyo’s….owned by a couple of ex-pat Canadians.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:33 pmWow — Bush might end up indited because of a law his father passed.
What irony.
They’ll get away with it of course.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:35 pmlmFao @ #148 (john)
“Bush is not stupid”
What’s your source on that breaking story there buddy? Because that would sure be news to me.. The man managed to wreck a segway for christ sakes!
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:35 pm148 - not vindictive??? As Nixon said of the young Bush, He has his mother’s propensity to hate.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:35 pmAll of these things are a coordinated attack on the Republicans becasue the Dem’s cannot debate us on the issues. They have to resort to this. Pathetic.
The fact that this IS the issue is indeed, pathetic.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:39 pm148 gets a prize for being the first troll to crawl up from the slime and profess his love for Dear Leader!
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:41 pmThis will just be another demonstration of the depth of control the right has over the system. Nothing will come of this. In addition, we will likely see the case against DeLay dismissed by the court. Soon the rate of decline in personal rights will accelerate as a punishment for the country not rising and supporting the administration. The worse this appears to get for the administration the greater the spanking we will get in return.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:41 pm2008 Isnt all that far off (of course it cant come soon enough). I think it would be sufficient if the new administration — maybe, just this once — waives the USA’s traditional objection to the jurisdication of an international criminal tribunal. If the waiver is agreed-to by the next sitting president (in excercise of his inherent authority to conduct US foreign policy) it wont matter who controls congress.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:41 pmOh please! When bush is cornered, he’ll go AWOL at Camp David with a coke spoon in one hand and a bottle in the other. Just like he did in the TANG!
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:43 pmI don’t know about that. He has to live in this country, all of them do, as pariahs, and live down the title of worst Preznit in American history, and he can’t visit certain countries, like Kissinger, or he would be arrested. That is punishment.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:45 pmI guess I am more concerned with bringing this country back from the brink of madness and ruin than I am with punishing these morons. I would like both, but I would rather save the baby, even if I have to keep the filthy bathwater.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:47 pmThe wheel of Karma will always prove to be absolutely true. What goes around, comes around…and as all the right wing followers of GWB might say…a man reaps what he sows. You don’t mess around with Gods law!
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:50 pmBobo claims copyright to this post. Only a conservative clown could make such an assertion with a painted face and big red nose.
Despite the fact that all of you think Bush is corrupt, evil and stupid (not neccessarily in that order), the reality of the situation is this:
Bush is not stupid and would not do something as stupid as revealing a CIA’s agent’s name.
Bush is also not a vindictive person (despite what you liberals think) and would not do this for revenge.
This is rubbish. Even if there is some kind of connection alleged, it will be a lie and a setup and the truth will come out over time (just like it will on Tom Delay). And once again you all will be left stewing in your hatred.
All of these things are a coordinated attack on the Republicans becasue the Dem’s cannot debate us on the issues. They have to resort to this. Pathetic.
Comment by John — October 2, 2005 @ 2:27 pm
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:51 pmWhat amazes me is that the die hard rEpublicans still think that bUsh is a good and righteous president - which is very disturbing in of itself. The stupidity of the rEpublican voter is ridiculous, when to anyone with even half a brain it’s so apparent that corruption is rampant within this administration - and that they cannot see it - truly astonishing. However let us not jump to the conclusion that the Chimp is done - save the celebrating ’til it’s done.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:51 pmJeebus! I been celebrating because the destructive agenda has been derailed! The rest is just icing! This admin is officially lame duck! That is a victory.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:54 pmBush knew about Plame…
Fitzgerald better get some protection like yesterday if this stuff hold up. I give him tons of respect though.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:55 pmThe lame duck is still carrying the black briefcase with the little red button.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:56 pm[…] George Stephanopoulos has set off a firestorm among the lefties with this quote: Definitely a political problem but I wonder, George Will, do you think it’s a manageable one for the White House especially if we don’t know whether Fitzgerald is going to write a report or have indictments but if he is able to show as a source close to this told me this week, that President Bush and Vice President Cheney were actually involved in some of these discussions. (Unfortunately, I don’t have a link to the transcript to see what Will’s reply was). […]
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:59 pmDear Citizen James/#47–Regarding No Sex, see
Bush BiSexuality Asserted In Scorching New Book:
–>rense.com/general57/newbook.htm.
A L S O–Gannon Cannons Parts 1,2,3.
–>rense.com/general56/gad.htm
–>rense.com/general63/dcwho.htm
–>rense.com/general63/gann.htm
The Bastard Agenda of the Global Money Changer’s
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:00Mentalities & Manifestations be rebuked & overturned
in the name of Jewish Teacher & Wayshower, Jesus the
Christ & His UN-failing Love. Yes. Semper Fi.