Source to Stephanopoulos: President Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal
Source to Stephanopoulos: President Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal
Near the end of a round table discussion on ABC’s This Week, George Stephanopoulos dropped this bomb:
Definitely a political problem but I wonder, George Will, do you think it’s a manageable one for the White House especially if we don’t know whether Fitzgerald is going to write a report or have indictments but if he is able to show as a source close to this told me this week, that President Bush and Vice President Cheney were actually involved in some of these discussions.
This would explain why Bush spent more than an hour answering questions from special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald. It would also fundamentally change the dynamics of the scandal. President Bush could no longer claim he was merely a bystander who wants to “get to the bottom of it.†As Stephanopoulos notes, if Bush played a direct role it could make this scandal completely unmanageable.
UPDATE: Crooks and Liars has the video.
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October 2nd, 2005 at 10:40 amagain… they lose
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:45 amI’m shocked, shocked I say, to learn that Bush and Cheney may have lied.
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October 2nd, 2005 at 10:50 amI’m afraid to hope. I’ve been afraid to hope since the Bush gang stole the White House.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:51 amHello, President Hastert!
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:53 am[...] President Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal Source to Stephanopoulos: President Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal [...]
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:53 amThis does my progressive heart good.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:53 amMr. President, your pants are on fire.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:54 amTed Rall has the perfect toon to summarize the comments so far: http://www.ucomics.com/tedrall/
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:55 amChampagne is going to uncorked very soon!!!!! WHIG, Bush, and Cheney are going to be indicted for conspiracy.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:59 am“The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.”
Hm, Chief Justice John Roberts. Interesting…
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:09 amImpeachment, baby!
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:10 amWow, this certainly is big! Like I’ve said before, I didn’t think our government could any less incompetent, but now we hear that even Bush is involved in this mess.
I was worried about Bush pardoning DeLay and Frist, but with this new revelation I’m beginning to relax a bit on that.
If Bush isn’t actually impeached for this, but punished in some other way, I sure hope Bush can’t pardon himself! As Bruce Gottlieb stated in his Slate.com article:
Can the president really pardon himself? No one knows the answer. The Constitution says that the president “shall have the power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.” This sentence, like many in the Constitution, can reasonably be interpreted in several ways. And since no court has ruled on this issue–because no president has ever tried to pardon himself–it remains an open question.”
However, a search on About.com gives a different conclusion:
“The “constitutional challenges” would come primarily from the power of U.S. presidents to grant pardons under Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution, which states in part, “and he [the president] shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.”
In other words, under this Article, a sitting president can grant him or herself a pardon. The Founding Fathers intended this in order to prevent the Executive Branch (the president) from coming under the direct control and influence of the Judiciary Branch (the courts).”
I guess I’m jumping way ahead here when I still have no idea how Bush will even be punished, let aloe IF he’ll punished, or even if he’ll be charged with anything.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:12 amBush is going to be busy investigating his Administration for both the recent failures of FEMA and who is responsible for leaking Plame’s identity. But, as usual, he made it easy on himself: All he has to do is look in the mirror.
I’m waiting for the Republican chorus to start singing that we don’t need no stinking independent special prosecutor to inspect Bush and Cheney’s involvement — why, who could do a better job than Alberto ‘VO-5′ Gonzales, the nation’s top cop?
The cliche is that grand juries will indict a ham sandwich; but what about someone with the intellect of a ham sandwich? (On white toast, of course.)
DeLay, Rove, Scooter, and now Dick and Dubya, too. Karmic payback is fierce mutha– (Shut your mouth!) But I’m talkin’ about America gettin’ shafted!
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:18 amWould a Republican congress impeach Bush and Cheney if indicted? Or if convicted? You have to wonder.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:32 amWith all these people so willing to out a CIA agent, you’d think the CIA would want to make an example of them. C’mon CIA, I know you’re reading this. Leak some info of your own. Let them know who’s boss. :)
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:32 amThis is a very serious allegation, but if it is true, then Bush and Cheney are toast. But President Hastert? Um, I don’t even know what he stands for or how he’d show himself as being different from Dubya and Dick.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:32 amI think it has been very clear for a long time that both Bush and Cheney are ‘hands on’ managers when it comes to their top aides. Libby and Rove report DIRECTLY to Cheney and Bush respectfully. I would seriously doubt Libby and/or Rove would act on their own with such a serious matter. We all know why they would want to discredit Wilson and we also know that this team of politicians are probably ‘the masters’ of dirty tricks politics. The fact that Bush and Cheney would be involved does not surprise this American at all. Soon the trashing of Fitzgerald will begin by the spin machine.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:34 amBush’s top guy and Cheney’s top guy are in the hotseat… is it any surprise the fire’s rising? With Rove and Libby under investigation, how could Puppet-Master and Charley McCarthy NOT be involved?
I wish that argument would fly in a legal setting. If indictments do come down (or go up), it’s going to be a very long and twisty road. And of course neither Bush nor Cheney will ever EVER feel any actual effects of the legal system.
But for now, here’s hoping “If The Shoe” Fitz can bring this baby in for a landing.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:34 amSo, what. There is NO WAY this congress will impeach the president. Bush can rob the bank at high noon and the cops guarding it would not stop him or arrest him. They then would swear he never was there.
That is the USA today. Clinton get worked over for whitewater and a blow job, and Bush can steal, start an illegal war and authorize torture and the killing of civilian and journalists and the condamination of Iraq with depleteted uranium and what happends – NOTHING, NOTHING and 40% of the public thinks he is doing a GOOD job.
This country is ethically and morally bankrupt.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:34 am“Wow, this certainly is big! Like I’ve said before, I didn’t think our government could any less incompetent, but now we hear that even Bush is involved in this mess.”
This is not incompetence. It is dishonesty, treason and corruption to the highest degree. They should have both been impeached for crimes against humanity when they first took the offices they stole.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:35 amBush didn’t testify under oath, did he? Did Cheney testify at all? As happy as I would be for this to be true and to come out in public, I just can’t pin my hopes on it ever happening. These two guys are more teflon coated than Teflon Tom.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:36 amIt will indeed be interesting to see how the GOP reacts if Bush and/or Cheney are indicted for perjury. I heard that in the past they considered lying to a grand jusy an impeechable offence.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:38 amWhere’s the blue dress? This is just a political witchhunt. It was Nagin’s fault.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:39 amHas anybody considered the name being floated for the next Justice is Bush’s personal lawyer. If she goes thru then anything pertaining to Bush that comes before the court she will have to recuse herself from leaving a 4-4 tie.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:41 amI agree, Dan, that they both may be involved: while Bush is kept out of the loop (allegedly)on so many things, he DOES remain in very close consult with Rove, who is, after all, the man who directs him. Cheney is likely the one in control in his office, but Libby is without a doubt, in close, daily contact. I also expect a trashing of Fitzgerald, (Republican notwithstanding) but that possibility might explain in part Fitz’ very tight seal on the case.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:44 amhow perfectly delightful it would be if bush got his tit caught in fitzgerald’s wringer along with the rest of them… even if only rove goes down, i would still party like it’s 1999…
http://takeitpersonally.blogspot.com/2005/10/karl-rove-satans-doppelganger.html
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:51 amits been obvious from the start that chimpy and cheney are deeply involved in the whole mess…
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:52 amTeflon is easily destroyed by rough surfaces.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:53 amDon’t get your hopes up. They’ll snake out of it just like everything else. Let’s concentrate on making sure we don’t get another RepubliCon administration in 2008. And don’t even start thinking that 50.00001% of the people in this country will vote for Hilary because they won’t.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:54 amI do not need impeachment yet but indictments for WHIG, Bush, and Cheney. Indictments means that the Bush administration will be SEVERLY politically damaged thus the Democrats could take over both the House and the Senate in 2006. Then in 2006 we should go for impeachment.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:55 amToo soon to make anything out of it all. Don’t count on anyone high up doing time or resigning. Remember Iran Contra?
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:57 amIt is sure fun to dream, but as we ALL know deep down, this will go NOWHERE.
If you thought taking out Delay brought out the smearing, God could not bear the same wrath the RepubliCANTS will bring on Fitzy. Nobody brings down both the Pres and Vice Pres. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Fitzy suddenly “disappear” altogether should he irritate too many higher ups…
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:58 amPresident Pelosi 2007?
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:58 amThe courts wont let impeachment to happen ?.will it?
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:59 amNo matter what criminal activities Bush and his cronies have done, don’t expect anyone to be held accountable.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:01 pmThey run everything, now, including the Supreme Court.
don’t know if anyone will see this, but does anyone know if there have ever been any provisions made, i.e. in the Constitution or subsequent laws, that would enable a ’special election’? i know that parliamentary systems allow ‘no confidence’ votes, but if this thing knocks out both bush & cheney, hastert becomes president, appoints a vp (subject to senate confirmation? yes? no?)and they would just serve out the rest of the term?
And hastert has his own Turkish/Armenian problems, doesn’t he?
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:01 pmRIGHT, remember iran contra.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:01 pmthese evil bastards should have been impeached long ago
aint gonna happen though
cuz this time the media has ZERO balls and
nobody cares
and nobody cares that the elections are rigged so good luck getting a new congress that actually gives a damn
Oh my, how the worm turns.
Chimpy and Blackheart embroiled in the Plame fiasco?!
Once this is out, the scandal will be so unmanageable that no one, I mean not even Rove with Gannon/Guckert plugged into his anatomy will be able to manage this!
Punchy, Fitz won’t have to disappear! All Fitz has to do is stand there looking cute. Chimpy, Blazkheart, Rove, and so many others will be running around like their hair is on fire!
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:04 pmAs an outsider I am used to having a more progressive and objective news media both in TV and Paper.
It has always been known that that Bush and Cheney have been involved from the outset.
Cheney gave the info to Bush and told him that they would have to turn this story around; with Bush’s agreement Rove and Libby were told to go to work.
Bolton is also involved Plames name is on the list of the 34 names not supplied to the confirmation hearing, it is interesting to see that the new UN ambassador visited Plame for a quite talk in jail.
You people have only got one problem and that is the Whitehouse Mafia will not allow special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald to bring charges against Bush or Cheney. Rove and Libby might fall on their sword but I won’t hold my breath.
Your current attorney general who was bush’s counsel is also clearly implicated if not at the beginning he was defiantly at the end in allowing 12hrs to elapse for clean-up.
Patrick Fitzgerald loves the charge of Purgery and several people have committed this I hope he has the guts to start the process to rid America of some of the worst criminals in the history of the country. I wonder?
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:05 pmBoy oh boy, that is big news… Somebody better get to the bottom of this!
Wait! I know… GWB will get to the bottom of this, I know he will – because he’s good at doing this type of hard work.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:06 pmPunchy,
This WILL go somewhere. Here we have Delay indicted on some flimsy conspiracy charges. I am sure Fitzgerald has a lot more evidence for indictments then the prosecuter in Delay’s case. I expect some indictments for conspiracy, obstruction of justice and perjury for Libby, Rove and other WHIG members.
Unclear if Bush and Cheney get indictments but Fitgerald’s report will probably have something in it that Bush and Cheney are involved.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:06 pmI hate to rain on the parade, but how can we impeach when there was no sex involved?
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:07 pmRE: IMPEACHMENT
One word — 2006 Congressional elections (ok, that’s 3)
Heretofore, everyone’s been parroting the line that there’s no way Dems can retake the House and Senate in 2006.
But why is that?
Sheer lack of will, inaction, and ineffectiveness on the part of Dem and DLC leadership?
At this point, Bush’s pathetic poll numbers have finally kicked in for a good little while.
Leaving aside the Diebold issue… what would it take for Dems to retake Congress in 2006 — thus enabling impeachment?
Is there anyone actually looking at potential strategies?
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:09 pmIf this goes as other big scandal news stories have gone, Stephanopolous will be issuing a retraction shortly… One of his details will be off (say his source wasn’t actually a first-order witness), but the rest of the story was essentially correct, and Steph will be pilloried as a liar, and the story will die.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:09 pmI agree with those that have said that they suspected Bush and Cheney were involved all along in the Plame leak. Of course they knew, but there are too many layers between the POTUS and the Veep for them to get into trouble. This will further weaken them politically though, and that is the good thing for those of us opposed to their fascist agenda.
Just watch how quickly the mainstream media drops Stephanopolous’ comment though. Like the Downing St. memo, this will be buried faster than a dog bone in the backyard. hope I’m wrong about that.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:12 pmWhy have we not heard a united Democratic congressional front calling for impeachment? That’s what I want to know. Can you imagine what the Republicans would be doing if faced with something far less serious? Oh–wait. I remember. THEY IMPEACHED. WHERE ARE THE DEMS???
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:12 pmLook at the big picture, kids. It’s not about convictions that will end in pardons for most. The SCOTUS has nothing to do with the impeachment process and impeachment doesn’t always lead to removal from office. It’s about the fact that “conservative Republican” will be a dirty couple of words for the rest of the century. It’s the dawn of a new liberal ascendency in American politics. But I do find the nay-saying trolls very entertaining, if not convincing.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:13 pmToo many layers between POTUS/Veep and the culprits that is.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:14 pmAll things corrupt, dangerous and deceitful committed by this administration and the scariest? Close to half the nation STILL supports them. Absolute power corrupts and we can look to history and expect that. But….why are we tolerating it? If he could run again for the presidency, I’m sad to say that he’d probably win again (or if not, he’d steal it and we’d let him do that, too).
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:16 pmBush and Co. are war criminals and should be tried before an international court of law as such. They will bring America to her knees if they continue to wield their destructive control. Ask yourselves how this disasterous administration came to power and remains there. We are fighting forces that are more formidable and sinister than we may be inclined to recognize. A new playbook is in order with tactics that American patriots have not implemented before….and fast.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:17 pmWhile this revolutiongives pause for hope. I have to say that I can see nothing but lies, spins, and finger pointing to get out of this psoition. When all is said, I doubt anything will come of this.
Part of the problem is the lack of a strong democratic interest pushing the subject. The same thing happened with the Downing Street Memo, remember we thoght we had him then as well, not one democrat pushed for further investigation, so with time it died. To get attention on this possibility that Chimpus was involved, someone on the democrat team needs to make the case and push for a special prosecutor. But, that’s not going to happen because the democrats have abondon their left of center base in favor of the middle of the road moderates. Its comfortable there because there are no expectations and nothing happens in slow motion. Thank God for Move-On and ThinkProgress or the left would have no voice at all.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:17 pmShocked!
It appears that the development in the CIA leak story, which loyal Republicans have been praying would never happen, appears to be on the verge of happening via thinkprogress.org:
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:19 pmAs went New Orleans under this gang of impostering and self-serving bullies so goes the enitre US, indeed, the world, including the NeoCon’s non-inner circle true believers…because they are not of the elect, the predestined…something like the Nurenberg Trials is coming, hear the tumbrils rolling?
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:20 pm[...] And this will teach me to walk away from ABC’s This Week to refill my coffee. As ThinkProgress helpfully pointed out this could- be-a-bombshell dropped by George Stephanopoulos: “Definitely a political problem but I wonder, George Will, do you think it’s a manageable one for the White House especially if we don’t know whether Fitzgerald is going to write a report or have indictments but if he is able to show as a source close to this told me this week, that President Bush and Vice President Cheney were actually involved in some of these discussions.” [...]
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:20 pmClinton’s impeachable offense(s):
1.) 3 mL of dried sperm on a dress, not his wife’s.
Bush’s impeachabler offense(s):
1.) Corruption and fraud (Haliburton, et al.)
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:21 pm2.) Lied about Iraq to start a War.
3.) Complicit in the events of 9-11 to sieze power.
4.) Outs a covert CIA agent working on WMDs.
5.) Never finds bin Laden or the Anthrax mailer.
6.) Authorizes torture, murder of innocent Iraqis.
7.) Steals elections with electronic machines.
8.) Steals elections illegally manipulating outcome.
9.) Corruption, fraud, lies and propaganda pervasive.
10.) Cover up of all of the above (Treason, Pejury)
Fitzgerald / Earle ‘08
’nuff said!!
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:22 pmSo, what. There is NO WAY this congress will impeach the president. Bush can rob the bank at high noon and the cops guarding it would not stop him or arrest him. They then would swear he never was there.
If a wedge is hammered between the coalition of different right wing factions, and that is already happening, and GOOPers want to be returned to office in 2006 and 2008, they most certainly will impeach, but not likely remove the little twirp from office. Be patient. This is getting good.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:25 pmI hear Bush is printing his “Acquittal Accomplished” banners as we speak.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:26 pmas someone else alluded…this has the stink of Rathergate all over it.
If Stephanopolus’s source turns out to be bogus, then this story could very well “innoculate” both Bush and Cheney….
Sounds exactly like a Rove scheme
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:29 pmThe important thing to remember re: election 2008 is that the votes will NOT be counted as things stand now. Touch-screen vote-stealing machines have been proliferated throughout America by rabid Republican-owned corporations that have been proven to be designed for untraceable vote theft. Worse than that, the central tabulator machines — those that add up the local numbers for county-wide totals — have also been outed as being designed for untraceable count manipulation (by a “deep-throat” management insider, among others http://www.ecotalk.org/VotingSecurity.htm ).
Read about this in your local or regional newspaper yet?
See it on the corporate media whore networks yet?
There is only one answer: PAPER BALLOTS, HAND COUNTED.
I do NOT apologize for shouting. Please understand this issue in full. Go to http://www.blackboxvoting.org and http://www.ecotalk.org/VotingSecurity.htm#Educate&Agitate to get the particulars on what’s what, and what you can do.
The next time you hear a converted Republican tell you that he’s so mad that he’ll “vote them (the Repugs) out,” tell him just as fast “no you won’t,” and tell him why. I remember many *sshole Repubs telling me that election theft was a sore loser tinhat story — when election theft went their way. Now that it’s their vote being stolen, they are vulnerable to waking up. Give it a try.
Good luck.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:31 pmComment by cynicalgirl: “Would a Republican congress impeach Bush and Cheney if indicted? Or if convicted? You have to wonder.”
They would impeach him only if they thought that was the politically expedient thing to do. Whihc means only if a large majority of the populace really demanded it–not just “wanted” it, but “demanded” it.
That seems very unlikely to me. My best result scenario is that this scandal encompasess both Bush and Cheney, the public outcry is large but not large enough to force Congress to impeach, and the next election(s) throw a bunch of the lunatics out.
That would just leave us with the problem of finding enough Democrats with good ideas and spines for the change to make a real positive difference.
This country is in SO much trouble.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:33 pmOn his radio show, Thom Hartmann has been discussing this as a distinct possibility ever since the story broke about the Memo sent to Shrub on Air Force 1.
I assume he’ll delve deep into it again on Monday. (Link to the show and archieves are at http://www.thomhartmann.com)
But watch the Slime Boat Liars go to work to trash and bury the story. The sycophants will be changing the focus and the talking points will attack everyone involved in breaking the story.
Unless there’s an indictment, it’ll be forgetton in 30 days.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:33 pmTime to get off your knees America.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:35 pmYou have some criminals and traitors running your country. Stop grovelling and get rid of them….
I hate to rain on the parade, but how can we impeach when there was no sex involved?
Comment by James
gang sodomy rape of all Americans by bushco & friends isn’t sex?
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:39 pmImplausible non-deniability
Atrios says “Put a second bottle [of champagne] in the fridge.”
I just say “Uh oh.” ‘Cause the way this plays out will tell whether this country’s so-called journalists, and maybe even the idea of a responsive American Democracy, are redeemabl…
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:42 pmPlease…almost half the country still supports POTUS because they are stupid enough to believe that he really is ordained by some god to bring about some “end of time” prophecy. It’s the luxury of the ignorant to follow the leadership of the insane. The majority of people in this country will look the other way no matter what the idiots do, just so long as they say they are Christian.
Once the Christian “values” of POTUS and Company have been thoroughly discredited. Once it is brought home that POTUS, veep, and the rest have no values at all except greed and fear, THEN we can talk about getting rid of them.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:43 pmThis info is not new;Tom Flocco and others came out with this info approximately a month ago. Don’t be surprised if a “terrorist” attack happens in Chicago. Bush & Co. are sooo transparent…..
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:43 pm#46
“This WILL go somewhere. Here we have Delay indicted on some flimsy conspiracy charges.”
Yes, laundering $190,000 is pretty flimsy. These fat cats deal with much larger amounts of money.
Oh wait, the average median income is only $60-80 thousand, so to everybody except these guys, $190,000 is a big deal.
Now, why would you think it is flimsy?
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:44 pmThe day any scandal becomes completely unmanageable for Bushco is the day hell freezes over. Bushco has had to deal with 15 scandals that should not have been manageable, but with the help of the MSM, the Rethug ‘yes men’, the Dem ‘yes men’, and an apathetic/dense/confuzed public, Bushco has been able to bring us back to 1984 time and time again. 1984 – up is down, black is white, and truth doesn’t really matter.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:51 pmI liked the comment Stephanie Miller made the other day on her Air America morning show: She was referring to her own mom, a Republican, but it would apply to nearly any Red Stater: “Bush could be videotaped screwing a sheep and then setting it afire on the front lawn of the White House, and you’d say, ‘aw the sheep was lonely, and it was cold.’”
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:54 pmThis sounds like a rove trick/set-up for the media. Like the “fake” real bush national guard records.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:54 pm#74 I sadly agree.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:55 pmIf it’s indeed true that W himself is involved in Plamegate, I can believe the other rumor that he is, once again, nipping at the Jack Daniels.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:55 pm“Forgive me if I smile “
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:56 pmThe day any scandal becomes completely unmanageable for Bushco is the day hell freezes over. Bushco has had to deal with 15 scandals that should not have been manageable, but with the help of the MSM, the Rethug ‘yes men’, the Dem ‘yes men’, and an apathetic/dense/confuzed public, Bushco has been able to bring us back to 1984 time and time again. 1984 – up is down, black is white, and truth doesn’t really matter.
Comment by Peter — October 2, 2005 @ 12:51 pm
There is a limit to the number of gas powered chainsaws even the moist adroit juggler can keep aloft before losing an arm. That limit has been reached.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:58 pmWhy?,The surprise to learn that there has been and always will be a connection to the President as well as to the Vice President of covering up deeds that foster the secretive existence of a policy that goes against the very grain of American life. The pursuit of Life,of Liberty and of Hapiness has been replaced by greed, corrupt idealism, and the fostering of false religious ideas that discriminate against the very existence of all humanity. The leader of the most powerful country in the world surely knows what transpires in his own back yard. Wake up America! View the reality in real time of what the Bush illusion has created. The rich get richer, the poor remain poor and the working middle class becomes more entrenched in its new position as the working class poor. This class will forever bear the brunt of the New Crusades fostered by the lies of the ever manipulating party in power.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:58 pmWill they reveal that this guy is involved?
http://www.designfromnowhere.com/DelayBert.jpg
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:00 pm“Culture of Corruption”
I feel great sadness for our country; for what we have allowed these ethically-challenged, unscrupulous, individuals to do.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:01 pmAre there any honest Republicans left? I guess we will find out soon. Those who condone all the corruption and inefficiency of this administration deserve to be labeled co-conspirators. Cheer up: their party may never survive.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:02 pmAbsentee ballots are: paper,and hand counted. We must flood them and they can stick thoes ‘theft’ voting machines where…… We voters are stuck with voting for the lesser of two evils,but nothing could make me vote republican.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:02 pmWe all know what SHOULD happen. The whole Bush administration should have been kicked out LONG ago. But will it happen? I think not under normal circumstances. Normal political/legal processes will never work with the Bush administration because not only do they “own” the courts, they also own the media, and therefore nearly half of all Americans are totally ignorant as to the true happenings of this corrupt administration. Any news outlet mainstream enough to *really* get the word out is too scared/paid off to do so. We all know that people the world over know more of the truth about our government than our own country does. The only way I see any changes taking place if something drastic happens that causes the lies to be exposed on all levels of news and network TV, or nothing short of a coup.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:03 pm[...] Could be quite big. [...]
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:06 pmShoot the lot of them — now!
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:06 pmJeebus! I understand the hopelessness I’m hearing but when you guys voice this kind of resigned cynicism you don’t do anyone any good, least of all yourselves. We may have backslid a bunch in thirty years, but even if we are all the way back to square one, this administration has been halted dead in it’s tracks, and we are the minority party and don’t control any of the branches of government! Quit whining! Who gots da political kapital now, bitch! We are victorious!
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:06 pmThis was widely known when Bush and Cheney hired independent counsel. Because of precedent established with Kenneth Starr, information told by White House staff to White House counsel may be admissable evidence. So, Bush and Cheney went out of house, which was highly strange and suggestive of direct involvement. There’s a lot below the surface and Fitzgerald is a shrew guy. He could have a major conspiracy or even an espionage case under wraps and we won’t know until Indictment Day, which will hopefully then go down as a National Holiday.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:07 pmBush Tied To Leak Scandal
Source tells ABC’s Stephanopoulous President Bush involved in discussions about CIA leak and coverup……
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:08 pmIf you think these people are going to wallow away in shame with their tails between their legs, think again. Those are days gone by. Their teeth are permanently embedded in the flesh of power and they will not let go but to get a stronger grip.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:09 pm#60 – Outstanding comparison.
Can the Head Chimp pardon himself? If he’s this deeply involved in this scandal maybe God Himself can’t help Boy George.
I sure hope this case doen’t get thrown out on a “technicality” or derailed by the GOP Media Spin Machine. If this whole thing holds together, FOB (Friends of Bush) will need to find someone else to worship.
Maybe we can get the governance of a formerly great nation back into the hands of people who know what they’re doing of, by, and for the people?
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:12 pmA half-hearted look at the evidence that even the reluctant, sold-out media has dribbled out clearly shows how corrupt the current administration and the current Congressional majority are. If progressives are unable to deafeat enough Neo-Con members of the House and Senate to win them both back, I look for no change in anything, including the party affiliation of the next administration to be elected in 2008.
For me, 2006 is the make-or-break year for progressives. It sounds melodramatic to say so, but it is “Now or Never!”
I see the need for me to join others to work diligently to defeat Neo-Cons wherever there is the hope of doing so. Time to stop posting on sympathetic websites and blogs, and get out there and work!
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:12 pmOn no, on my God, say it ain’t so, Our fearless Leader involved in a scandal? This is terrible, just terrible.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:14 pmI am a Canadian living in China. I am sure that what I am about to say to you will surprise the vast majority of you. In fact, I expect because of your education, media, and politics you will not believe it at all.
In China, democracy is much more personal and embedded in the minds and lives of the People. There is a history of thousands of years that the duty of those governing the country is to serve the People. Hence, you see new dynasties being installed every so often. The Communist Revolution is just a continuation of their personal feeling of empowerment.
You can see and feel this power with every Chinese person. People in Canada who don’t understand it complain about it, and I am fairly certain Americans do too. We just label the Chinese as rude when they push or stand infront of us. But they are not being rude they are just asserting their democratic right to occupy a space if you are not. Democracy to the Chinese is very simple and very personal.
George Bush has appealled to historic values that originated in four thousand year old Biblical writings and in Greece twenty five hundred years ago. The two are not compatable. Christianity as taught today does not reflect the Biblical teachings of Christ. Christ taught that as a member of a band brothers one should be willing to sacrafice his life to oppose an occupying force. The Greeks unabashedly taught that “democracy” included a slave class as well as a small group of people who were the ruling class.
Not everyone has to know the history and the philosophies being talked about to act in your own best interests. Here is what I suggest you do to be represented more honestly, and fairly. VOTE FOR PEOPLE WHO YOU KNOW OR AT LEAST FROM YOUR OWN SOCIAL CLASS. If you do that you do not need to get your information from TV you get it from your friends and neighbours. In line with what I have already suggested: don’t vote for anyone who has or has access to a million dollars.
Take note:
ANYONE CAN RUN THE UNITED STATES BETTER THAN THE PEOPLE PRESENTLY IN YOUR GOVERNMENT! YOU NEED TO START RUNNING IT. IF YOU ARE ELECTED YOU CAN TAKE SOME QUICK COURSES IN HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS.
ALL YOU NEED TO BE IS HONEST AND YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY DO WORSE THAN THE BUSH GOVERNMENT.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:15 pmoh no oh my God. Don’t know how that ‘n’ got in there.
Bush better have that 747 full of fuel, he may have to make a quick getaway.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:16 pmClinton could not stop Ken Starr — but why do I fear that the Republicans will somehow stop Fitzgerald’s investigation? Will we have some sort of replay of the 1973 Saturday Night Massacre, but no Richardson to step up and do the right thing, i.e. resign?
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:16 pm#87–its not that the populace is ignorant, it’s that they dont care. they dont care what the Iraqis think, they dont care about the CIA and its employees, and they surely dont care about New Orleans.
They care about abortion and fags (their words, surely not mine). thats it. they vote according to the bible, not the country. this involvement means nothing to them. gay marriage would be the apocolypse, however
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:22 pmSometimes, one only needs to sit back and watch as things collapse on their own. It seems to me that we are at last beginning to witness the beginning of the end for this, the worst President in our nation’s history.
I am thankful that the past seven days have at least given me an inkling of the satisfaction I feel my nation and my person are deserving after such a long expanse of time.
A system of corruption and deceit is not sustainable. And frankly, those who attempt to perpetuate such systems are at all times delusional and ignorant to the inevitability of their corrupt institutions collapse.
So please, as you pass through the burning garden, do not forget to smell the roses every now and again. You have earned it!
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:23 pmHELL will not be big enough to hold all the republicans who deserve to go there.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:25 pmbarney from canada
Of course Bush was involved. Remember when he said that “he didn’t know” and “we might never find out who the leaker is.” If you watched his face, he was laughing and smiling. Bush knew all along that Rove was in on this because Bush was in on it too.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:30 pmThe timing of Stephanapoulos’ remark is interesting. Do you suppose this is the secret for which Judy Miller was willing to do jail time? Maybe Scooter had persuaded her to protect Bush til now, but with the Prez’ polls colder than the North Pole these days, perhaps the real powers behind the pupppets have concluded it’s time to throw Bush to the wolves to save themselves.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:30 pm#100 – Punchy, the people you described are less than 30% of the voting population. Do the numbers: a little more than half the eligible voters voted in 2004. Of those who actually voted, only a little more that half voted for the current president (I refuse to utter his name).
I maintain we have no hard evidence of what the rest of the country is thinking. It would be interesting to get out there and talk to them. We might find that they are as disgusted and fed up as we are, but are more demoralized, and so don’t vote.
We won’t know if we don’t go out and ask.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:32 pm#99 Clinton could not stop Ken Starr, but the Repugs can stop Fitzgerald: The Repugs control the entire govt. as well as the press.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:32 pmAnd Fitz has a new boss.
Yes, the absence of troll speaks volumes. But tone or two are here. They just pretend to be hopeless and helpless lefties.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:33 pmhttp://www.trmpac.org – Tom Delay’s TRMPAC
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:34 pm#106–interesting take, especially on the heels of those rumors about Cheney not wanting to help out Chimpy anymore during the Katrina disaster. That he is/was tired of bailing out the dumbass. Perhaps they are about to throw him out, although thats tough to swallow, as it would cast pale on ALL republiCANTS, and surely cost them the next few elections…
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:34 pmPunchy is likely one of the stealth trolls.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:34 pmEarly Punchy:
It is sure fun to dream, but as we ALL know deep down, this will go NOWHERE.
If you thought taking out Delay brought out the smearing, God could not bear the same wrath the RepubliCANTS will bring on Fitzy. Nobody brings down both the Pres and Vice Pres. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Fitzy suddenly “disappear†altogether should he irritate too many higher ups…
Comment by Punchy — October 2, 2005 @ 11:58 am
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:41 pmuh huh. i’m hope you’re joking, cuz now i’m laughing. stealth troll….sounds like a military operation….
back to Chimpy and Friends….is it possible for Bush to remove Fitzy? Can they neuter him with this new boss he has? doesnt that look too suspicious?
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:41 pmDakota – I was thinking maybe she wasn’t as afraid of retalitation from them now that they are slipping…same as you.
I guess we are starting to see why Bush and Cheney had to testify together – they needed each other as witness.
hmmmm…..
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:42 pmtalk about getting our hopes up. i’m a prosecutor myself and as much as i would like to see the whole WH gang indicted in this matter the judith miller thing to me seems like a tying up of a loose end. essentially, before they finished and voted on what they wanted to do the grand jury heard from one last possible witness who apparently didn’t add much. this way the special prosecutor can say “look i did everything but there’s nothing there.” “no stone went unturned.” if i were betting i would say no indictments are coming out of this. i can’t imagine anyone in the wh implicating the pres or vp.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:42 pm#113–its called extreme cynacism. developed and reinforced by watching this Clown in Cheif repeated lie, lie again, get away with it, change the rules for the EPA, FDA, USDA, FEMA, Plame, global warming…it doesnt end.
no, no troll here. just very, very depressed and cynical
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:44 pmTheir base will stick with him come hell or Katrina. Wallstreet is a different story, especially if this storm starts gathering strength.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:44 pmBush was relying on the press to keep their sources secret, thereby keeping the people behind this crime concealed, but Cooper and Miller burned him.
Why else would Bush have said:
“I have no idea whether we’ll find out who the leaker is — partially because, in all due respect to your profession, you do a very good job of protecting the leakers.”
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:45 pmGET A ROPE!
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:46 pmEvery good citizen should shout long and loud now for impeachment and accountability.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:47 pmback to Chimpy and Friends….is it possible for Bush to remove Fitzy? Can they neuter him with this new boss he has? doesnt that look too suspicious?
No.
I’m depressed and cynical all the time and I can tell you for a fact that it’s not going to go NOWHERE.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:49 pmI’m sure there are countless millions who believe it be highly unlikely that Bush and Cheney were kept out of the loop on Plane outting.
To imply Rove and Scooter kept Wilson smear tactics from the men they are responsible and answer to is absurd, if anything, Cheney most likely orchestrated much of the Plame outing, reacalling Rove’s comments to Chris Mathews that; “Plame is fair game” speaks volumes!
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:54 pmPunchy and Kittie – The real power that pulls the strings with this admin resides in big money and Wall Street. It’s essential to big money to keep Repubs in power in 2006. Bush has become an albatross that has everyone talking about a major Repub loss in 2006. I can see the real powers saying that Repubs in Congress getting behind ousting Bush would make them look principled and above the fray and maybe save them, while letting Bush continue his downward slide (and there’s no sign he can do anything at this point to reverse it) has just become too dangerous to the whole enchilada. Maybe.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:55 pmJust a reminder OCTOBER 10th is the 32nd anniversary of Vice President Spiro Agnew’s resignation…..could there be another OCTOBER SURPRISE for this corrupt Bush /Cheney White House?
Time will tell….PRESIDENT HASTERT!
The leaves are turning and the Bush operatives are turning themselves in to the authorities…..
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:55 pmOh come on, people. I’m watching Instaputz Glenn Reynolds , the uber conservative blogger on CNN right now.
Glenn on DeLay:
“After a guy says there is no more fat in the federal budget, how can you believe anything he says?”
This is the uber conservative blogger
http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/9/9/2265/71257
Daily Kos is as big as the entire conservative blogosphere. The left blogs have been kicking cable’s ass too. And you people are whining? Be patient, Rome doesn’t fall in a day.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:55 pmI’m not celebrating till Bush resigns. These sources have been unreliable before, and they seem to be republican plants putting out misinformation to make liberals look stupid, more and more.
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:58 pmStop being America haters! This is a great country with mostly good people and they will not allow this shit to continue! Chimpeach Now!
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:01 pmI’m not celebrating till Bush resigns. These sources have been unreliable before, and they seem to be republican plants putting out misinformation to make liberals look stupid, more and more.
Comment by Richterscale — October 2, 2005 @ 1:58 pm
Like you?
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:02 pmI can’t wait to say “But it’s about the law no one is above thw law don’t you agree republican scum suckers?
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:05 pmThere is nothing about this on any of the news website. I can’t find it anywhere on google except this website and buzzflash. What is going on here? Is this being ignored by the mainstream media? OMG, our President outed a cia secret agent and no one cares?
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:05 pmI only hope President Hastert doesn’t pardon them as did Ford of Nixon. They need hard time making liscense plates or making gravel from big rocks…
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:06 pmBut you do have to agree President Hastert….EEEEEEEEWWWWWWWW!
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:07 pmAll we need now is to take back the Congress in ‘06.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:07 pmHello, President Pelosi! (And she even looks a little bit like Geena Davis.)
You can bet Hstert will pardon them all including DeLay and it will be a full complete and total pardon so they can still keep their days jobs in the government and still vote unlike the poor jerks who get busted for a small bag of pot and are unable to vote for the rest of their lives.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:09 pmBush will appoint members of The Cheney Commission to investigate this and find out if it’s true.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:09 pmI predict in the end Scott McClellan will be proved right when he said, “If someone in this administration was responsible for the leak they will no longer work in this administration.”
;-)
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:12 pmHey! How’s that Social Security reform going? When ya going to spend all that political capital? Mandate! My ass!
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:12 pmthe media cannot report just on the basis of what Steph-longname says. first of all, they’d be plugging a rival network and make people think ABC is more “in the loop” (biz decision). Second of all, its not good journalism if they cant corroborate the story.
this may get play on yahoo or msn, but i doubt it’ll be reported on network news until someone can verify Steph’s claim….just my feeling…
however, dont underestimate the power of the blogs. they’re responsible for getting Brown fired, in my opinion
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:12 pmThere appears to be evidence of ’stress’ taking its toll on the Bush administration. I would wager something ominous is going to happen.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:14 pmas someone else alluded…this has the stink of Rathergate all over it.
If Stephanopolus’s source turns out to be bogus, then this story could very well “innoculate†both Bush and Cheney….
Sounds exactly like a Rove scheme
Comment by flash — October 2, 2005 @ 12:29 pm
Troll.
They can only do one thing. Campaign dirty and steal elections. This is not their game. They are on defense and flailing badly.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:14 pmAny sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:15 pmIt was just an unamed source that Stephanopolous cited. Wait, be patient. Jeebus, you people are definitely the fast food, instant gratification generation, ain’t ya?
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:16 pmAny sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
Comment by not_gonna_happen — October 2, 2005 @ 2:15 pm
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Arthur C. Clarke
Incompetence, by definition, is not “advanced”.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:18 pmThank You! Doug, that is a good post. I think our big problem at present, besides the one you mention,is we don’t at present have any one like that to look to. Our country has gotten so polluted by our government officials we as a people can hardly see who is with them or with us. Some tell us they are and then vote with the radical right. There is no longer accountability. Presently our own party members, if they are, have been silent. In fact the silence has been defening. Sad, we must look for a fresh face that has not yet appeared. A champion for our country as it were……Blessings
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:19 pmtalk about getting our hopes up. i’m a prosecutor myself and as much as i would like to see the whole WH gang indicted in this matter the judith miller thing to me seems like a tying up of a loose end. essentially, before they finished and voted on what they wanted to do the grand jury heard from one last possible witness who apparently didn’t add much. this way the special prosecutor can say “look i did everything but there’s nothing there.†“no stone went unturned.†if i were betting i would say no indictments are coming out of this. i can’t imagine anyone in the wh implicating the pres or vp.
Comment by benji — October 2, 2005 @ 1:42 pm
really bad bushit troll
They are here, reading mostly, pretending to be lefties.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:22 pmWOW — this could become complicated … if Fitzgerald interviewed Bush personally, and if the grand jury indicted Bush for conspiracy to obstruct, then wouldn’t Fitzgerald become a witness to a case he’s prosecuting ?
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:24 pmDo not misjudge this case. We are in a time when coup/revolution will topple governments worldwide. The world financial system is blowing out. Bankers and financial forces will seek to install virtual dictatorship in such times to control policy and make sure their debts get paid – even if it kills people. Make no mistake, this is on. Either Fitzgerald moves against this criminal regime, or it’s hell on earth for 100 years. The stakes are so enormous that conventional logic does not apply.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:24 pmDespite the fact that all of you think Bush is corrupt, evil and stupid (not neccessarily in that order), the reality of the situation is this:
Bush is not stupid and would not do something as stupid as revealing a CIA’s agent’s name.
Bush is also not a vindictive person (despite what you liberals think) and would not do this for revenge.
This is rubbish. Even if there is some kind of connection alleged, it will be a lie and a setup and the truth will come out over time (just like it will on Tom Delay). And once again you all will be left stewing in your hatred.
All of these things are a coordinated attack on the Republicans becasue the Dem’s cannot debate us on the issues. They have to resort to this. Pathetic.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:27 pmThe Dems need the House.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:28 pmTreason>Stained Blue Dress.
=Impeachment
As I said on my blog – does this mean that Bush has to fire himself?
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:29 pmImpeachment. Bah. Buncha stupid rules and technicalities.
In this Brave New World of PATRIOT Acts and offshore prisons, we don’t need no stinkin’ impeachment.
On January 21, 2008, the Democratic President uses his executive authority to charge Bush, Cheney, and the whole fetid pack of treason and aiding and abetting terrorism (though, of course, under Bush’s current sheaf of EOs, no actual charges will really be necessary at all).
They are deported to Guantanamo, where they will be held for life without access to family, lawyers, or courts.
And in 3…2…1….GOP will start hollering that the PATRIOT Act and all those Bush-era executive orders are wicked, evil, and unconstitutional….
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:29 pmThe thing that concerns me is that when animals get cornered, they will do anything to survive. As this administration has shown, they will do absolutely anything, without remorse. What more will be “big enough” to distract the public from yet another scandal, I wonder? What can we do to stop this madness?
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:30 pmDoug @ 97
You said: “We just label the Chinese as rude when they push or stand infront of us. But they are not being rude they are just asserting their democratic right to occupy a space if you are not. Democracy to the Chinese is very simple and very personal.”
Fascinating observation. That explains a lot. Anyone taking the jet ferries from HK into the PRC will appreciate that observation.
If you’re ever in Zhongshan, stop into Panyo’s….owned by a couple of ex-pat Canadians.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:33 pmWow — Bush might end up indited because of a law his father passed.
What irony.
They’ll get away with it of course.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:35 pmlmFao @ #148 (john)
“Bush is not stupid”
What’s your source on that breaking story there buddy? Because that would sure be news to me.. The man managed to wreck a segway for christ sakes!
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:35 pm148 – not vindictive??? As Nixon said of the young Bush, He has his mother’s propensity to hate.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:35 pmAll of these things are a coordinated attack on the Republicans becasue the Dem’s cannot debate us on the issues. They have to resort to this. Pathetic.
The fact that this IS the issue is indeed, pathetic.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:39 pm148 gets a prize for being the first troll to crawl up from the slime and profess his love for Dear Leader!
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:41 pmThis will just be another demonstration of the depth of control the right has over the system. Nothing will come of this. In addition, we will likely see the case against DeLay dismissed by the court. Soon the rate of decline in personal rights will accelerate as a punishment for the country not rising and supporting the administration. The worse this appears to get for the administration the greater the spanking we will get in return.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:41 pm2008 Isnt all that far off (of course it cant come soon enough). I think it would be sufficient if the new administration — maybe, just this once — waives the USA’s traditional objection to the jurisdication of an international criminal tribunal. If the waiver is agreed-to by the next sitting president (in excercise of his inherent authority to conduct US foreign policy) it wont matter who controls congress.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:41 pmOh please! When bush is cornered, he’ll go AWOL at Camp David with a coke spoon in one hand and a bottle in the other. Just like he did in the TANG!
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:43 pmI don’t know about that. He has to live in this country, all of them do, as pariahs, and live down the title of worst Preznit in American history, and he can’t visit certain countries, like Kissinger, or he would be arrested. That is punishment.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:45 pmI guess I am more concerned with bringing this country back from the brink of madness and ruin than I am with punishing these morons. I would like both, but I would rather save the baby, even if I have to keep the filthy bathwater.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:47 pmThe wheel of Karma will always prove to be absolutely true. What goes around, comes around…and as all the right wing followers of GWB might say…a man reaps what he sows. You don’t mess around with Gods law!
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:50 pmBobo claims copyright to this post. Only a conservative clown could make such an assertion with a painted face and big red nose.
Despite the fact that all of you think Bush is corrupt, evil and stupid (not neccessarily in that order), the reality of the situation is this:
Bush is not stupid and would not do something as stupid as revealing a CIA’s agent’s name.
Bush is also not a vindictive person (despite what you liberals think) and would not do this for revenge.
This is rubbish. Even if there is some kind of connection alleged, it will be a lie and a setup and the truth will come out over time (just like it will on Tom Delay). And once again you all will be left stewing in your hatred.
All of these things are a coordinated attack on the Republicans becasue the Dem’s cannot debate us on the issues. They have to resort to this. Pathetic.
Comment by John — October 2, 2005 @ 2:27 pm
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:51 pmWhat amazes me is that the die hard rEpublicans still think that bUsh is a good and righteous president – which is very disturbing in of itself. The stupidity of the rEpublican voter is ridiculous, when to anyone with even half a brain it’s so apparent that corruption is rampant within this administration – and that they cannot see it – truly astonishing. However let us not jump to the conclusion that the Chimp is done – save the celebrating ’til it’s done.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:51 pmJeebus! I been celebrating because the destructive agenda has been derailed! The rest is just icing! This admin is officially lame duck! That is a victory.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:54 pmBush knew about Plame…
Fitzgerald better get some protection like yesterday if this stuff hold up. I give him tons of respect though.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:55 pmThe lame duck is still carrying the black briefcase with the little red button.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:56 pm[...] George Stephanopoulos has set off a firestorm among the lefties with this quote: Definitely a political problem but I wonder, George Will, do you think it’s a manageable one for the White House especially if we don’t know whether Fitzgerald is going to write a report or have indictments but if he is able to show as a source close to this told me this week, that President Bush and Vice President Cheney were actually involved in some of these discussions. (Unfortunately, I don’t have a link to the transcript to see what Will’s reply was). [...]
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:59 pmDear Citizen James/#47–Regarding No Sex, see
Bush BiSexuality Asserted In Scorching New Book:
–>rense.com/general57/newbook.htm.
A L S O–Gannon Cannons Parts 1,2,3.
–>rense.com/general56/gad.htm
–>rense.com/general63/dcwho.htm
–>rense.com/general63/gann.htm
The Bastard Agenda of the Global Money Changer’s
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:00 pmMentalities & Manifestations be rebuked & overturned
in the name of Jewish Teacher & Wayshower, Jesus the
Christ & His UN-failing Love. Yes. Semper Fi.
The lame duck is still carrying the black briefcase with the little red button.
Actually it’s an air force officer who has it chained to his wrist.
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:01 pm#148 you need some visine…..got muck in yer eyes!
Got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you..
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:05 pm[...] George Stephanopoulos, talking on ABC’s This Week: Definitely a political problem but I wonder, George Will, do you think it’s a manageable one for the White House especially if we don’t know whether Fitzgerald is going to write a report or have indictments but if he is able to show as a source close to this told me this week, that President Bush and Vice President Cheney were actually involved in some of these discussions. [...]
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:09 pm[...] Today’s Think Progress: [...]
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:14 pmBush is kinda like Robert Culp’s version of the Predident in “The Pelican Brief”, a film worth seeing.
In the movie, the President is stupid, media savvy and very much involved in a political crime.
Smells like Bush, except he’s more stupid, more sucking up to make himself P.R. saavy and he commits more political crimes than probably Caligula.
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:14 pmDumbya, we hardly knew ye.
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:19 pmWow. This literally has wingnut Bush lovers covering their ears, squinting their tear-filled eyes closed and repeating “LALALALALA!”.
It’s a pretty sad state of affairs. I would imagine diehard Nixon lovers reacted much the same way. I would further imagine many of them are the same people that are now denying possible Bush guilt with all their might.
Here’s a bone for you, wingers: remember, all of this is speculation at this point. Until indictments are handed down, we just don’t know what will happen.
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:21 pmEvery now and then, this administration likes to take credit for winning “the war on crime” well, they went one step further, they took ” crime off the streets”, and PUT IN IN THE WHITE HOUSE…!
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:21 pmIf this true, Bush and Cheny should resign ala Nixon.
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:22 pmWill’s response was, ominously, “prosecutors aren’t in business to write reports.”
I think George S’s source may be James Carville as Mary M is up to her neck in this too and Carville may know a lot. Have you noticed he’s been keeping a very low profile lately?
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:22 pmI agree with Francis. Remember the guy stole an election and Diebold voting machines are cha-chaing right into 2008’s election. basement library
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:22 pmLets not get too excited.. He only said “IF..”
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:27 pmWhere, oh, where has our little troll gone?
Oh, where, oh where can he be?
Where, oh, where his little “john” gone
to argue Bush’s intelligence, indeed!
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:28 pmSomething’s going to happen. Something wonderful!
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:29 pm-Dave Bowman, 2010
The source is Clinton.
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:31 pmHis source is #41.
#189 — been watching SciFi Channel today, huh?
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:32 pmFirst, a confession: I’m a life-long registered Republican.
This is going nowhere. The Bush administration does what it wants, without ever paying the price. I can’t explain the complex dynamics making that possible, but it is true nonetheless.
Actions speak louder than words, and Bush’s actions say this:
1. He wants to isolate the US entirely, so that we have no allies.
2. He wants to destabilize the few secular governments in the Middle East, so that the entire region is governed by theocracies.
3. He wants to increase the power of the executive branch of the federal government, such that neither states nor other branches of the federal government have any real power.
4. He wants to eliminate protections for basic human rights, so that the government can detain people without charges, for indefinite periods of time, without constitutional protections or Geneva conventions.
What’s worse, so far it appears that the Supreme Court, most Republicans and Democrats in Congress, and a majority of the American electorate (those who support him and those who don’t vote) are complicit in his plans.
I have never been a conspiracy theorist or even a political activist, but my sense now is that things are going to get much worse before they get better.
Hope I’m wrong.
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:33 pmLike your style, Toto.
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:33 pmBut as I’ve said before, I’m feeling good that lackluster X-mas sales will do this paper tiger gov’t. in…
I’m sad to say that I don’t think this will go anywhere really. Remember Downing Street? It was a smoking gun, but have you heard anything about that lately other than a resounding silence? It got buried just like the facts of everyother damning bit of evidence of all the other criminal and impeachable acts they are guilty of. So why should this be any different, just because we wish it so.
Oh, it might have been if they hadn’t succeeded in a crypto-fascist takeover of the country in 2000 and then nailed it shut in 2004 so that elections are meaningless because they can now rig them at will, the press is meaningless because it has been bought and enslaved, the Federal courts are meaningless because they have been stacked with shills, and the Congress is merely a Repugnantkin rubber-stamp for the W. House.
As it is I believe that Bush, Cheney, and Rove can say and do just about anything they want–with the possible exception of getting some head (or giving eachother head) in the W. House–and nothing will come of it in the press, the Congress, or the courts.
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:34 pmRE # 148
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:34 pmJohn, you pathetic brain washed dweeb. Get off your knees !
Will I dream?
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:35 pm-ROVE 9000
Looks as if us moonbats may have given Bu**sh** and Cheney too much credit.
Here we were thinking that ROVE was the one who didn’t give a shit about anything other than playing political hardball with every conceivable issue in every conceivable way.
Turns out Dick and George may have been even guiltier than Karl!
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:35 pmThe Dane,
Are you a Miller’s Crossing fan, too?
I never argue/debate/engage with them. Why bother? There are plenty of more intelligent and patient folks around here, like yourself, to do that better than I could. I belittle, insult, cajole, mock ridicule harass and intimidate back. That’s what I do. I’d rather do what The Dane would do in Miller’s Crossing, but Tom won that one, didn’t he?
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:39 pmJohnathon
Not you. There was a troll named “John” here a bit ago. He went bye bye.
His one argument:
Bush is intelligent.
GO figure.
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:40 pm#194 by myklr….
I fear your prediction is correct. This country has been taken over for the rest of time by a cable of powerful criminals that control every aspect of justice, and can / will / do ‘disappear’ uncomfortable loose-cannon type people.
I can think of only one possible remedy.
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:41 pm“myklr”,
Downing Street is still floating on gossamer wings, waiting for guiding hands, waiting for the spirit force, waiting for the justice that exists independent yet parallel of and with life…
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:42 pmWow, only one troll so far and it took him 147 posts before he just had to say something stupid like “Bush isn’t stupid.”
Prove it. Name one intelligent thing BUSH has done.
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:44 pmlawyers comments on law on treasongate
http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/2005/09/treasongate-new-constitutional.html
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:47 pmToto and Bobo are the same guy! And Rove pays his salary!
I’m sad to say that I don’t think this will go anywhere really. Remember Downing Street? It was a smoking gun, but have you heard anything about that lately other than a resounding silence?
I’m going to get a big clowny drink and celebrate. Maybe some one else here will explain to you why Downing Street is not the same as this. In fact, they are related in that the crime here was punishing Wilson for his calling their trumped up intelligence bullshit, but proving that Bush knew and lied about the WMDs is not as easy as what Fitz may or may not have. Somebody smarter than I can probably explain it better, but remember, it’s never the original crimes, it’s the inevitable cover-ups after the fact that bring them down. After all, I’m just a dumb conservative clown and torturer of trolls. Cheers!
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:48 pmBobo
I just mock them and they go away. Twist their proverbial titties and they disappear.
Debating them, one only ends up talking in circles.Mock them and they go away.
Before the era of the blog, 20 years ago at college i belonged to a group called People for Peace and Justice. We had a live troll. He would come just to say things to upset the balance of our discussion. That’s all he wanted. to stir shit and get attention.
He was a sad young man. And truly looked the role of a troll. He wore thick glasses, had greasy red hair, weighed nearly 400 lbs. and wheezed when he breathed. His acne was severe and he was angry and lonely. His only friends were a group of sweet liberals that did not judge him by his looks and he rewarded that friendship by crashing their group and dumping his Reagan loving shit on the floor.
So, I imagine all trolls to be like dear old Barry. Over weight, under-loved, lonely and angry. They do not seek to join their own groups dialogue because they are not accustomed to exceptance. so, they seek out their opposites to annoy, so they can receive all the attention their sad little hearts lack.
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:49 pmWhat happens to an entire gov’t that is indicted? This is unprecedented. It makes me afraid Fitz will not do it.
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:51 pmAs with the Delay indictment, Delay was informed of it a week before. And the day before, there were numerous articles predicting it. If it happens, there are signs…
Bobo
I love the Cohen Brothers. Miller’s Crossing I saw, but it was a long time ago. the Dane comes from my heritage.
Min familj er dansk.
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:51 pmGlad to hear it, that dane didn’t fare to well. Neither did Hamlet, now that I think of it.
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:54 pmJohn — Don’t let the other misguided Republicans hear you try to advance the false assertion that Bush is intelligent. A bedrock of his (falling) popularity is those rednecks who cherish the notion the chimp is someone they could talk with, who would sit down and have a beer with them (or perhaps a line of coke). If you start claiming he’s crafty and manipulative, they’ll start thinking he’s just another politician like all the rest.
On second thought, go ahead and continue to claim such a thing. Then we “hater” liberals and our newfound members can indeed chalk up all his missteps and misdeeds as purposeful conniving, deceitful behavior and dereliction of duty — instead of giving him the benefit of the doubt from time to time because we know his record of miscalcuations and poor judgement is a result of his incompetence and utter stupidity.
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:56 pmAll of this is nothing compared to the up and coming plea bargain with Safavian. When he starts spilling, the regime is toast.
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:57 pmgaymafioso
Love that snarky post of yours.
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:58 pmUnless the Democratic Party rallies itself around (a)voting reform, (b) media re-regulation, and (c) regaining parity in the Senate and a majority in the House in 2006, impeachment talk is just that, talk. AIPAC, the Bilderberg Group and the Project for a New American Century responsible for The Anschluss of America will never concede power, nor let the puppet president and his actuaries (Cheney, Rove and Rumsfeld) take the fall. They all belong before the Hague. That won’t happen by relying on the steadily corrupted process. If We, The People That In Theory Employ Them, don’t turn off the television, ignore the pundits and take active steps to change at local, state and federal levels, the game plan for the Federal Enslavement of Mindless Americans that FEMA distributed pre-9/11 will continue on to its third and final “event” (a San Francisco quake), and America will end up as the People’s Republic of China, Western Hemisphere Division. As it is, the economic stress and depth of apathy seems insurmountable. I want to be optimistic, but fight or flight, there’s no middle ground anymore.
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:59 pmYes !
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October 2nd, 2005 at 4:00 pmGo ahead! Make my day!
October 2nd, 2005 at 4:02 pmsome thoughts:
1. No, 40% of the American public don’t support Bush at all. Right-wing controlled media are REPORTING they do, but just as they give the Repugnicans a pass on everything, they’re surely lying there too.
2. The Bush gang have indeed pissed off the CIA and George Tenet, who’s got the dirty negatives on EVERYBODY, which is why I suspect we’re getting this nasty little flurry of hastened activity. I’m just surprised someone hasn’t already leaked the photos and video of little boys being raped in Abu Ghraib yet.
http://aliberaldose.blogspot.com/2005/07/rape-and-murder-for-democracy.html
Yes Bush and his heartless crew of “religious zealot” bruisers have managed to intimidate, murder, blackmail and/or bribe their way out of everything so far,
http://aliberaldose.blogspot.com/2005/08/bushco-primer-silencing-critics.html
http://aliberaldose.blogspot.com/2005/08/silencing-critics-revisited.html
but I have the distinct feeling things are going to get a whole lot… messier in the future.
And in a way that’ll leave most Republican voters ashamed to claim the Bushites as their own.
True, through the magic of Diebold,
http://www.yuricareport.com/VotingProblems/AnOpenLetter_to_America.html
they may well decide to maintain a stranglehold on power anyway, but it might end up being a Sisyphian exercise in pushing through ANY policy then….
Things are starting to look interesting, folks.
October 2nd, 2005 at 4:02 pmLet’s see: Before the Constitution closes in, Bush wields the pardon pen to sanctify and forgive Cheney and all others involved in the crimes of the stolen Presidency, (Rice, Rove, Powell, etc.), then resigns.
Cheney becomes Prez; pardons Bush, and Delay, then resigns. Hastert becomes Prez, appoints Delay as VP, then resigns. (House rules, along with all other rules of common decency, do not apply.)
The Hammer to the rescue!
October 2nd, 2005 at 4:14 pm[...] Think Progress Near the end of a round table discussion on ABC’s This Week, George Stephanopoulos dropped this bomb: [...]
October 2nd, 2005 at 4:15 pmIt’s not like anybody gave them enough rope to hang themselves. They stole the damned rope.
October 2nd, 2005 at 4:16 pmSlow train Comin’!
October 2nd, 2005 at 4:18 pm#102 “HELL will not be big enough to hold all the republicans who deserve to go there.”
THIS JUST IN: Halliburton awarded no-bid, no-compete contract for expansion of Hell. Lucifer says, “I didn’t want to go the ‘no-bid’ route but my boss, Dick Cheney, insisted.”
October 2nd, 2005 at 4:25 pmOh. So THAT’S why Bush never “got to the bottom of it”. Who woulda thunk it?
October 2nd, 2005 at 4:33 pmI don’t think the Stephanopoulos rumor will be showing up on drudgereport or big media anytime soon. Today’s headlines – Bush making a comeback. Quite a contrast to the days of Clinton when any wild lie or echoed innuendo could supply a week’s worth of fuel to the Clinton bashers on the evening news, Sunday talk shows, radio, newspapers etc. Let’s up the volume on this. Copy Rove and use their own tactics against them. Write letters to the editor. Post on your community websites.
October 2nd, 2005 at 4:34 pmI wish for the death of no one. But if Mr. Bush should find himself confronted with a knotty theological question resolvable only by a personal meeting with God Almight, and if he should send Cheney as his emissary to that meeting, I would heave a sigh of relief … and immediately start chanting, “Impeach Bush”.
As it is, the idea of Cheney stepping into Place One is terrifying. Of course, if he, too, should find himself clanking down the hallway of a federal prison in leg-irons…
Bush wants to leave a legacy. Holding the top billing in the first President/Vice President impeachment in the history of the nation — that’s a legacy. And it’s even one he’s earned.
October 2nd, 2005 at 4:37 pmWatch for
1)Fitz branded crypto-democrat
2)flurry of reports of terrorist activities
In the end a lowly WH will be fired and that will be the end of the story
October 2nd, 2005 at 4:38 pm#202 “Wow, only one troll so far and it took him 147 posts before he just had to say something stupid like “Bush isn’t stupid.â€
Prove it. Name one intelligent thing BUSH has done.”
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When Renquist administered the Oath of Office, it only took Bush two tries to get the “Please raise your right hand” correct. That’s only one more try than attempt than most people need!
October 2nd, 2005 at 4:41 pmFinding Osama is purdy low on their priority list now.
I’ll bet they liquor bottles are opened and empty by now.
The ‘Republicans’ are driving themselves to drink.
October 2nd, 2005 at 4:41 pmCHIMPeacH!!!
October 2nd, 2005 at 4:46 pmBillmon:
It’s not clear to me from the story what that criminal purpose would have been. If using the White House propaganda machinery to try to discredit a critic is a crime, then every administration since John Adams could be considered a criminal enterprise. Presumably, then, the crime would have been the leak of Plame’s name — not under the torturous and possibly inapplicable Intelligence Identities Protection Act, but under one of the sections of the Espionage Statute, perhaps the same ones being used against the AIPAC Three.
I don’t know how that would stand up legally, but from a PR point of view, a conspiracy indictment would be absolutely peachy for us Bush haters — better, in many different ways, than a straight up IIPA prosecution. A conspiracy charge would be a harpoon shoved deep into the administration’s belly, rather than a barbless catch-and-release hook that could be quickly shaken loose, which would probably be the case if Fitzgerald had to prove the various specifications (authorized access, intentional disclosure, etc.) required under the Agee law.
A conspiracy charge presumably would delve into the inner workings of the White House Iraq Group, and reveal much about the administration’s frantic efforts to obscure and/or spin its prewar meddling with the WMD intelligence.
It might also spear even bigger fish than Karl Rove and Scooter Libby, at least according to George Stephanopoulos:
“Definitely a political problem but I wonder . . . [if] it’s a manageable one for the White House especially if we don’t know whether Fitzgerald is going to write a report or have indictments but if he is able to show as a source close to this told me this week, that President Bush and Vice President Cheney were actually involved in some of these discussions. (emphasis added)”
For some reason the phrase “unindicted co-conspirator” keeps popping into my head.
http://billmon.org/archives/002214.html
See? I told ya. Harpooned.
October 2nd, 2005 at 4:54 pmThe Emperor is naked, his clothes in a pile on fire. Watch as he tries to blow hot air to put the fire out.
October 2nd, 2005 at 5:01 pm#206 Patriot…
The vast majority of “The Government” consists of career professionals. It will keep going just fine through a management shakeup :)
October 2nd, 2005 at 5:03 pmHow could anyone from the beginning of all of this not think it goes right up to Bush/Cheney. Cheney is in back of everything and Bush in his ignorance and lack of curiosity follows what Rove and Cheney tell him to do.
October 2nd, 2005 at 5:09 pmLadies, Gents, Pardon me.
I’d like to point at a couple of things on the map.
It says here===>Art 2 Sec 2 Clause 1
The President shall…have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
A, not so very brief, disscusion of this very important matter may be found here.
It says here===>Amendment 14 Sec 3
No person shall…hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath…to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in…rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Discussion of this matter has been mainly between myself and Representative Conyers. He doesn’t seem to get it. Out of respect for his intelligence I am now going to risk insulting yours.
Here are the particulars :
The Section provides Congress the opportunaty to vote to remove the sanction, not to impose it. The sanction is imposed automaticly, without process, on the date of the miscreants’ rebellion, because of A/ the behaivior in question, and B/ The fact that the miscreant at some point previous took an Oath to support the Constitution of which the Section is a part. The absence of process is due to the fact process can be impeaded. The expectation is not that the imposition of the sanction should be immediatly apparent, but rather that, when it does become apparent, which will be the result of detection of crime, the sanction will provide the legal basis and the compulsion to review and revise every subsequent act and decision on the part of the culprit, as well as those of others that result from those of the culprit.
If this seems startling, or dense, allow me to put it another way. If your car was stolen, and taken to another State, and there recovered, would you move to that other State because that’s where your car is, or would you bring your car home and wash it? If your car was valuable, like the Constitution is, would you put a Lo-jack System on it? The matters discussed above are the Constitutions’ Lo-jack System.
Here is the upshot :
Because Mr. Kerry ran agianst a “man” not eligable to hold Office in the United States, it is he, and not those designated in line of succession, who is legally due to replace Mr. Bush as President. Because the santion imposed is the same sanction imposed by impeachment, (except as regards pardons, which a bar from office prevents access to the power to issue) impeachment is not in this case neccessary. In this case there is the alternative of civil suit, which provides We The People the opprtunaty to discuss and resolve this matter with our Peers, rather than our government.
Here is my editorial :
It is a government of, by and for the people, except on those days that it isn’t, and on those days it can be again, needing only that the People demand it, and not of thier government, but of themselves.
I beg forgiveness for the excessive (?) length and thank my audience in advance for it.
October 2nd, 2005 at 5:13 pmKertis aka Frosted Flake
Surprise, surprise?? Dumya is behind all of the slime that oozes from DC, some of it through Cheney and Rove, but Dumya, as our praysident, has the final say.
October 2nd, 2005 at 5:13 pmAll of them should be tried and hanged at Ground Zero for allowing it to happen. Never in our land have we known such dirty, rotten bastards…disgusting, disgraceful, and despicable…butchers, thieves, and profiteers…murderers!
VOTE REPUBLICAN!
Judge Robert’s was offered the job of Chief Justice by George Bush while a decision was being made on a Federal Case involving Rumsfield and Bush. Shades of Nixon and offering the Directorship of the FBI while the Judge being offerd the job was considering a ruling on Nixon.
October 2nd, 2005 at 5:14 pmConfilict of interest and illegal.
I would love to dance on the grave of the shrub fiasco. I would also water the grave’s landscape liberally with urine, my own. I hope this is for real.
October 2nd, 2005 at 5:18 pmThis could become the first step in showing Bush’s involvement in 9/11
October 2nd, 2005 at 5:24 pmDon’t uncork the champagne just yet.
Rove still has control of his Oil Cartel; Illuminati world bankers; Texas voting machine corporations, etc…BUT for how long?
At least now America is waking up to the fact that we know, as in the fall of Rome, that the Evil is from within…and always has been. I ask you:
What kind of a governmnet destroys it’s own people for “self-preservation?”
Evil never lasts. Evil always destroys itself.
Further questions arise: Will Rove destroy The American Republic to save the Bush/Cheney Cartel?
Martial Law? Another “terrorist attack?” Start a nuclear war?
The Bush/Cheney Mafia crime families started all of this with the assassination of JFK and at least 100 others and what you see now before you is America’s attempt to bring them all to justice…As John Roberts has just said: “No one is above the law, not even the president.”
Well, we are not holding our breath.
As long as Sharon controlls our congress through his AMDOCS corporation that monitors every telephone conversation in Washington, DC and, indeed, in all of the United States; we will remain behind “the curse of the Neo-Cons:”…Right, Jim McGreevy?
As long as Rumsfeld and Poindexter and Negroponte are controlling “news-bytes” and monitoring web sites such as this:
As long as Republican corporations manufacture electronic voting machines with no transparency…and count the votes behind closed doors and then announce who is the winner by all of the major networks and all at the same time:
Our children and granchildren will not even know what hit them.
After their 12 trillion dollar heist is completed Cheney’s pace maker will conveniently “malfunction” and Bush will end up like McCarthy: a hopeless alcoholic with “Alzsheimers” domeciled on his Texas ranch…but both will no doubt will be pardoned for crimes against Humanity and Mother Earth…it’s the Mafia way!…Right, Kenny Boy Lay?…Get in bed with the crooks: Right, George HW Bush?
Like Rome our American “Democratic” Republic is crumbling right before our very eyes.
Do not be cajoled by those who offer that Bush is now suffering mightily by having those around him being indicted…etc.
It’s time for IMPEACHMENT. It’s time for a Diebold, et al Texas Tea Party…big time.
October 2nd, 2005 at 5:25 pmHmm, I gave you a broken link. I’m sorry. here it is again
October 2nd, 2005 at 5:26 pmKertis
There still seems to be a vestigial belief among Americans that George W. Bush is allowed to act on his own, and/or is capable of acting on his own.
George W. Bush does not go to the crapper unless someone has given him permission.
If it turns out that George W. Bush and Cheney are involved in the Plame case, it only means that GWB did whatever Rove and Cheney told him what to do. Yes, of course, Cheney, Rove and Bush are in it up to their eyeballs. But Chney and Rove acted and Bush did whatever they ordered him to do.
George W. Bush is drug dependent and mentally defective.
October 2nd, 2005 at 5:27 pmCLOAK EXCLUSIVE!
by Sherman H. Skolnick, co-host
SECRET MEETINGS ON BUSH INDICTMENT
FILED 9/15 2:00 AM CDT
Chicago–Clandestine sessions have been held by Federal Judges, including those of U.S. District Court and the Chicago Federal Appeals Court, 7th Circuit, as well as their step-sisters, some of the Bankruptcy Court. The complex grand jury inquiry started as the CIA Leak Case.
Closed door topic? What to do about the Federal Grand Jury True Bill, criminal Indictment, naming as defendants for various criminal offenses, George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, and top media types, together with reputed Bush vs Gore high court “bagman” Theodore B. Olson, and as unindicted co-conspirators U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia and subsequently deceased Chief Justice William Rehnquist.
Drafted into a role to embargo and/or secretly quash the indictment has been former federal prosecutor and law clerk/crony of Scalia, District Judge Mark R. Filip (312) 435-5667. As a partner of the Skadden, Arps law firm, Filip was ostensibly involved in bribing high-level Florida Democrats, to stop the recount of the Gore ballots, opening the way to the big fix in the high court in D.C.
The now secret-plan judges, while armor-plating Filip, are ever-mindful of how the Chicago FBI, tight with the Russian mafiya, murdered the family, in February, 2005, of District Judge Joan H. Lefkow, formerly of the American CIA; she was supposedly going to quietly assist ironing out Grand Jury legal problems for Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald on the outs with most of the federal courthouse gang.
Will the pro-Bush corrupt federal judges get away with their dirty tricks? Stay tuned.
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October 2nd, 2005 at 5:36 pmVery good, Binbo, Thank you…..Blessings
October 2nd, 2005 at 5:37 pmSorry for my goof, Ment Thank you Bingo..Old fingers on the keys…Blessings
October 2nd, 2005 at 5:43 pmThey loaded the Congress, the Senate and the Supreme Court with these REpublicans… Which, is becoming more and more synonimous to the Nazi Party.
This is literally EXACTLY the way Hitler took power.. The trouble is your just to confused to realise not only that it is happening, but how racism is driving it.
It’s sick Christian death. Bastards…
October 2nd, 2005 at 5:44 pmTo #221…Dumbya could “never get to the bottom of it” because “Skippy” (or whatever)Libby is already there, kissing The DICK Cheney’s butt…! Dumbya will have to wait his turn…!
October 2nd, 2005 at 5:45 pmIt’s time to revolt. We have no democrats or republicans, we have Progressives and Conservatives and Nazis, and criminals. We must enlist our military and take over, and erase the crooks and the Nazis. We should embrace Canada and call it Peace America. We should retain our Bill of Rights and our Constitution. We should make our laws loop-free, and iron clad. No executive should have the powers of a king. We need a new America.
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October 2nd, 2005 at 5:52 pmKudos, America for your awakening!
Vaya con Dios Sharon Cox
October 2nd, 2005 at 5:55 pmCLOAK EXCLUSIVE!
by Sherman H. Skolnick, co-host
Just in case you didn’t all know, Skolnick and Tom Flocco are buddies and share a tin foil hat rack.
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:08 pmkeep dreaming, you conspiracy theorists need to get a life. Use that thing you call a mind. If someone goes down over this it will not be the prez. or V.P. /with all the mighty power you all claim that they wield they could skate this one easy. Don’t dare to hope losers.
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:11 pmStephie says Plame scum floats to the top
Taken from Think Progress: George Stephanopholous dropped a big bomb on ABC’s “This Week,” saying that someone that knows someone that heard this guy talking about how his mom said that Bush and Cheney are involved in the Plame case:
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:12 pmbObo the clown just so you know you wear the tin hat Sherman has been doing this since the 50’s and has helped take down 40 judges. I am with Tom Flocco and Sherman Skolick on this one..
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:16 pmRE 251 BearmanU.S.M.C.
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:19 pmAre you really in the marines or just a wannabe ?
Why would anyone in the USMC be wasting their time reading a site like this ? Don’t you have much more important things to do right now. The Iranians are waiting for ya !!!!!!!!!! Bushy is being brave with your blood and guts again. Be a good boy and do as you are told.
I’m sure this is true. But unfortunately, His faithful will not believe, nor care, and it will amount to nothing.
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:19 pmPRESIDENT INDICTED
FEDERAL GRAND JURY DIGGING DEEP INTO BUSH CRIMES
By Greg Szymanski
A federal whistleblower close to the Chicago federal grand jury probe into perjury and obstruction charges against President Bush and others said indictments of top officials were handed down this week. A spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office of the Northern District of Illinois, however, refused to confirm or deny the source’s account.
“We are not talking about any aspect of this case, and our office is not commenting on anything regarding the investigation at this time,†said Randall Sanborn from the office of U.S. federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, the attorney conducting the grand jury probe into whether Bush and others in his administration violated federal law in a number of sensitive areas, including leaking the name of a CIA operative to the media.
In December 2003, Fitzgerald was named special counsel to investigate the alleged disclosure of Valerie Plame’s name to several mainstream columnists, but the present grand jury probe has expanded to include widereaching allegations of criminal activity as new information has surfaced.
Although the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Chicago is staying silent, it is well known that Fitzgerald is digging deep into an assortment of serious improprieties among many Bush administration figures, based, in part, on subpoenaed testimony provided by former Secretary of State Colin Powell.
According to whistleblower Tom Heneghen, who recently reported on truthradio.com, Powell testified before the citizen grand jury that Bush had taken the United States to war based on lies, which is a capital crime involving treason under the U.S. Code. “Regarding the Powell testimony, there is no comment,†said Sanborn.
However, sources close to the federal grade jury probe also allegedly told Heneghen a host of administration figures under Bush were indicted, including Vice President Richard Cheney, Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Cheney Chief of Staff I. Lewis “Scooter†Libby, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, imprisoned New York Times reporter Judith Miller and former Cheney advisor Mary Matalin. Heneghen, unavailable for comment, also allegedly told sources White House advisor Karl Rove was indicted for perjury in a major document shredding operation cover-up.
In recent weeks, there has been much controversy over Fitzgerald’s wide-reaching probe, which is extending far beyond the Bush administration to include what some have called “a wholesale cleansing†of a crimeladen White House and Congress.
Fitzgerald’s investigation is said to be also centered on members of the 9-11 Commission, members on both sides of the aisle in the House and Senate and also select high-powered members of the media.
Needless to say, administration officials are “fighting mad†with Fitzgerald. Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts is trying to derail Fitzgerald’s probe by calling him to testify before the Senate regarding his true motives behind the investigation.
Political observers are now wondering whether administration-friendly Republican legislators, some under investigation themselves, are conspiring like President Nixon did in Watergate with Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox in an attempt to shield the Bush administration from prosecution.
In late July, reports about the recent bomb scare in the subway under the congressional offices at the Dirksen Building—coincidently near where Fitzgerald was holding his grand jury hearings—raised questions as to whether government operatives were sending the zealous prosecutor a “warning message†that he was entering dangerous waters with his investigation.
The bomb scare was reported to local police late Monday afternoon, July 18, causing the subway to be evacuated for approximately 45 minutes while bomb sniffing dogs and SWAT team members searched for what was reported to be “a suspicious package†left on one of the subway cars.
Fitzgerald began serving as the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Illinois in September 2001. He was initially appointed on an interim basis by former Attorney General Ashcroft before being nominated by Bush.
The Senate confirmed his nomination by unanimous consent in October 2001. In December 2003, he was named special counsel to investigate the Plame case. Based on the testimony of ABC sources in late July, it appears that at least two close associates of Rove testified before the grand jury. One was Susan Ralston, a longtime associate of Rove and considered to be his right hand.
The other was “Izzy†Hernandez, regarded as Rove’s left hand and now a top official in the Commerce Department.
(Issue #33, August 15, 2005)
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/president_indicted.html
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:23 pmBush/Cheney will never get indicted for this. They never testified under oath. The most people could hope for would be what happened with Nixon, being named as an unindicted co-conspirator. But realistically, it’s hard to see anyone getting charged here. And Fitzgerald may not even be able to issue a report, given the rules covering this investigation, unless he charges someone. While I am extremely hopeful that the whole rotten bunch is brought to justice and their supporters are humiliated and exposed as the idiots they are – I am preparing myself for the No Indictment – No Report scenario. Take a deep breathe, hope for the best but prepare for the worst.
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:24 pmTalking with a judical lawyer and professor last week in DC, she says, upwards of twenty top misAdministration people will be going down with this. Treason is not pardonable and there is no statute of limitations.
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:26 pmHow they could bury Fitzgerald and/or his report still has to play out, keep yr eyes open.
peace
CV
looks like the MSM is finally trying to catch up the Nazi’s they are. our MSM has helped cover up all of these crimes, now they are going to switch sides? Screw em, including the kick backs that Stephanopoulos and Cokie Roberts are getting from Halliburton. later
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:27 pmHurray for Stephanopoulis. Hooray for Huffington. Hurray for Fitzpatrick. Human nature is fascinatingly malleable and ever-subject to grave influence. German history shows that the psyche of a whole nation could be be contaminated and captured by a single madman. And the reach of Karl Rove’s paranoia is awe-inspiring. How to explain? Start with the works of Carl Jung edited by Joseph Campbell. Read the introduction to “How the Irish Saved Civilization”. Check out Scott Peck on Lieutenant Calley. View “Capturing the Friedmans”. And if you have the guts to get near the American Heart of Darkness, read Roland Summitt on the Dark Tunnels of Mc Martin. It will give you, yes, precient unfoolable, wide-eyed you, the shivering realization that even you are subject to group trance.
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:34 pm1972. Nixon wins second term by a landslide. We kept marching on the White House and soldiers kept on dying. Civil rights, equal rights, anti-war, impeachment – all causes came together. As the investigation reached into the white house, Nixon gave up VP Agnew with the rationale that if there is no vice president, they’ll stop coming after me. He gave up most of his administration in the face of losing his job. To preserve his place in history, he shut down the Vietnam War but the cry ‘OUT NOW’ never stopped, beyond Vietnam, we wanted Nixon out of office.
My point is when faced with a cry for impeachment from the public, a sitting president will give in to all demands in the hope of lasting out his term. Everything held sacred fades in its level of importance compared to being forced out of office. You don’t think Cheney’s surgery was coincidental now, do you? The purging process is about to begin.
Average republican voters have told me the Republican party has lost them. What did they hate about Clinton? He lied. Nixon was a liar and a cover-up artist, but compared to Bush, his crimes were mild.
Don’t say there is no way this House and this Senate would impeach this president. They would and they will if the public demands it. I have been there.
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:39 pmThe Rove Scandal Document Center has a complete collection of the essential PlameGate articles, White House briefings, timelines, statutes and more.
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:40 pmRegarding comment #89: We are the silent majority and we don’t even know it yet.
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:41 pm[...] Source to Stephanopoulos: President Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal [...]
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:45 pmRegarding comment #256, that memo has been debunked. Sorry.
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:46 pmThis is a GREAT discussion. It gives me hope that people in American can and will wake up to the facts surrounding the Bush Cabal.
If God is as the Christians say he is, may Bush, Cheney, Rove, Libby, DeLay, Frist, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Powell, and all the rest of these greedy racists self-servinb bastards rot in hell for what they’ve done to America!
Here’s to hoping that a new day is dawning.
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:49 pmbearmanU.S.M.C.,
A jarhead telling normal people to
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:50 pm“use their brains”? AND he supports Bush?
Now THAT’S rich!
Sign the progressive pledge:
http://www.democracycellproject.net/pledge.shtml
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:51 pmHow many times do you think #41 has told #42 that #43 is a F*CKING RETARD?
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:52 pm#255, the people who would support him if he snorted lines with porn stars on each arm are an ever-tinier number.
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:54 pm“Goddamnit, Bill, I told Babs to give the pills a rest when she was carryin’ Junior!”
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:55 pmhee hee!
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:56 pmPeople need to be careful – one of the hallmarks of media handling for this administration is the planted “explosive revelation” which turns out to be fake. The exposure of the lie then desensitizes people when the actual truth comes out – it seems less spectacular and passes quickly.
If this comes out. great, but until then Leave It Alone.
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:57 pmAs a Brit in Japan, perhaps I have perspective; but then again I just may be too far away to see anything clearly. However, remember President Nixon demise. First the VP was removed and replaced with Ford as a safe pair of hands. Then Richard M. was targeted and deposed. So will history repeat itself? A Jerry Ford clone replaced Dick, becomes president, and then in 2008, Hillary Clinton becomes president, campaigning on a “men, you can’t trust them to do anything right” platform. I’m often told, “you should be in movies”, to which I respond, “and you should be in real life”.
October 2nd, 2005 at 6:58 pmAndrew Milner Hillary is up to her neck in all of this..
October 2nd, 2005 at 7:06 pm#274 – Gerald Ford wasn’t brought in until almost 2 years passed and it was clear that Nixon would be impeached and he needed someone without a record to pardon him. As for not trusting men, I don’t trust anyone with too much power. Margaret Thatcher scared the hell out of me.
October 2nd, 2005 at 7:16 pmMore docs of criminal activity
http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/FinancialTerrorism.htm
http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/PurgeTheEvil.htm
tin foil hat? not on your life!
October 2nd, 2005 at 7:24 pmIn this enticing fantasy of impeaching, convicting and removing Bush and Cheney from office, the worry about President Hastert is groundless.
An impeachment and conviction can only happen if the Democrats win both House and Senate in 2006. In this case Hastert would no longer be Speaker of the House.
The successor would be a Democrat in all likelihood. So, let’s not stop worrying yet.
This whole impeachment fantasy is based on a remark by Stephanopoulos which was, itself, total nonsense. Although the bolded portion of the quoted remark at the top of this article reads as a simple, grammatically correct sentence, it is rendered totally meaningless by the confusion of clauses that precede it.
(”Definitely a political problem but I wonder, George Will, do you think it’s a manageable one for the White House especially if we don’t know whether Fitzgerald is going to write a report or have indictments but if he is able to show as….”)
It looks like English, but it’s not.
Who yearn to see this impeachment fantasy enacted, translate what he said into “An insider says B&C broke the law and blew an agent’s cover for political gain.” Then, howl for justice to be done. And Stephanopoulos gets this reaction for free, free to deny actually having said anything at all. How very dubya-like in the garbling of grammar with intent to incite without being citeable.
I don’t believe that a practiced politician with a trained intellect uses sloppy grammar lightly.
In fact, the practice of deliberately abusing language to provoke knee-jerk, emotional responses from targeted demographics seems to be a cultivated political skill on both sides of the aisle these days.
Perhaps some astute blogger out there might demand that Stephanopoulos have the courage to deal in innuendo in clear terms. He and his party might get some votes if they tried it.
You’ld think they would have learned by now that they can’t out-dubya dubya. And God help us if they were to succeed!
October 2nd, 2005 at 7:25 pmAnyone with a lick of sense knows that Bush and Cheney are up to this to their eyeballs. Why else would the two of them retain the highest priced CRIMINAL LAWYERS they could lay their hands on.
In my scenario of this matter I have Rove going to Bush and telling him what Wilson is saying. Bush then calls in the loose cannon by the name of Cheney from his previously undisclosed bunker.
The three of them talk the matter over and Bush directs Cheney and Rove to put a stop to Wilson any way they can. Cheney calls the CIA and asks them if there is anything to the rumor that Mrs. Wilson was a CIA Agent, obtains the confirmation and then Cheney tells Rove to drop it to Novak.
Now folks, believe it or nont, this is exactly what happened.
October 2nd, 2005 at 7:39 pmPLEASE……..people of America do something not just for yourselves but for the entire planet. Get rid of these crooked,rascist,hypocritical sad little men that are placing at risk all of our futures.
Bush,Rove,Cheney and the rest should all be as War criminals let alone be impeached for all the lecherous domestic dealings.
October 2nd, 2005 at 7:41 pmx pat I have news for you, arrest is in order. treason, murdering, lieing to congress, money laundering, drug running… plenty more… impeach, hell no..plant their arses in gitmo. they will be gone before the end of the year.. the people of the world demand it and as our creator looks down you better look up to those stars and pray. You have no idea what these stooges have in store for anyone but themselves. REX-84 mean anything to you? Knee jerk? most people here know both side of the isle are corrupt as hell. Stephanopoulos have courage? No he doesn’t, he is in it up to his ears!
October 2nd, 2005 at 7:42 pmUh, Folks. The President before Bush was impeached and it meant nothing. He didn’t step down from the Presidency or even leave the world stage. He lost his license to practice law for a few years, like he would have used it anyway. Clinton has become a millionaire many times over from selling pardons the day before he left office and by giving speeches to the Chinese and other foreign parties who benifited from his “foreign policy”. If this story about Plame is true, which I seriously doubt considering the wannabe source, why would Bush do anything but continue what he has been doing? Bush is not going anywhere. The precident was set when Clinton stayed in office, no President will step down again. Why would they? To even consider Pelosi in ‘07, means your meds are expired.
October 2nd, 2005 at 7:45 pmWhat could be more criminal?
Comment by PLUNGER
Read Billmon’s piece, Plunger. I’m not an attorney and you aren’t either. Billmon is not saying what you think he is saying.
AB*
Sherman Skolnick isn’t quite as bad as Tom Flocco. They are both conspiracy theorists and neither are considered to be too credible.
October 2nd, 2005 at 7:49 pmGod! Some of you guys need to slow down and work on your reading comprehension skills. Like you too patient ex pat.
October 2nd, 2005 at 7:52 pmJeebus AB*, Are there aliens up yer butt?
October 2nd, 2005 at 7:55 pmOh come on! So what? The guy is on his way out, and Hillery will be out next President anyway, and we all know that!
No one will ever trust another republican again, ever!
October 2nd, 2005 at 7:56 pmN, wanna bet! our main stream media has rolled over it was degregulated in the 80’s. it is owned by only 5 corps now and look guess what, they are all part of the war machine.. Too bad you haven’t figured that out yet. You will..keep on towing the bush line of conspiracy theorists. The truth is in your face and you don’t believe the truth, yep that’s the ticket. even the State Dept has him on their list of wierdos. HA fancy that..wonder where you get your script from… the State Dept? have fun
October 2nd, 2005 at 8:01 pmGeorge Bush doesn’t care about black people.
Or telling the truth.
Or treason.
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October 2nd, 2005 at 8:04 pmStu from Australia,
We are trying are best!
But you could help by getting rid of that half wit racist Howard down under. If we can make Blair/Howard/Bush fall all at once the entire world will be a better place.
October 2nd, 2005 at 8:09 pmThe National Enquirer reported last week that according to a family member, Bush is “falling apart” and he is drinking again.
October 2nd, 2005 at 8:09 pm#283. President has to be impeached by both houses of Congress before being thrown out. Nixon and Clinton were both impeached by the House.
The difference between them is that Nixon was informed by his Republican supporters that they would vote for impeachment and he resigned to avoid impeachment.
The Senate trial acquitted Clinton, thus he held onto the presidency.
October 2nd, 2005 at 8:09 pm#251, What if the Plame case was a red herring of sorts — what if Cheney learned that her undercover op was too close to the Halliburton connection and the proliferation of WMD and he needed to stop it? Exposing her would not only take care of Wilson, but it would serve Cheney’s purpose as well. There is a strong connection between A.Q. Khan, Halliburton, Pakiston, as found on another post here.
October 2nd, 2005 at 8:11 pmIf Bush is involved, you’ll hear it maybe once on MSNBC’s Countdown. CNN won’t cover it at all(too busy with Aruba), and Fox will deny it or turn it around so that it’ll look patriotic to out an agent. People like us will know, but joe fat American won’t.
October 2nd, 2005 at 8:21 pm[...] Source to Stephanopoulos: President Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal Tags [...]
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October 2nd, 2005 at 8:52 pmJail tbe whole freakin lot of nazi scum
October 2nd, 2005 at 8:55 pmThey are NOT ONLY involved in this scandal, but are ALSO behind 9-11! What makes you sheep think that if they lied to take us to illegal,immoral wars,and they did,which this helps further prove it.And committed TREASON by outing a CIA agent,then they weren’t involved in 9-11,too? As was others in our gov’t! IF CIA or FBI reads this,DO YOUR GODDAMN JOBS,AND INVESTIGATE NOT ONLY BUSH,CHENEY AND RUMMIE BUT YOUR SUPERIORS POSSIBLE INVOLVEMENT TOO IN COVER-UP OF POSSIBLY THEIR INVOLVEMENT TOO,INTO 9-11!If anyone in EITHER group has insider info,PLEASE,PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF OUR COUNTRY,SPILL YOUR GUTS OUT AND NOW!CONGRESS WILL HAVE TO IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY NOW, OR FACE IMPEACHMENT THEMSELVES! HEY,IF THEY DON’T IMPEACH, I SAY IMPEACH THEIR WORTHLESS ASSES TOO! AND MAKE BUSH AND CHENEY PAY BACK U.S. TREASURY TOO FROM ILL GOTTEN GAINS THEY MADE OVER WAR PROFITEERING AND FIRST SEND THEM TO GULF IN WATER UP TO THEIR NECKS WITH NO FOOD,NO WATER AND NO HELP,THEN AS PUNISHMENT FOR 9-11,ETC. SEND TO GITMO, THEN AFTER THAT,MAKE THEM PAY BACK U.S. TREASURY, THEN HANG THEIR EVIL,MURDERING ASSES AND NOW! ONLY TRUE JUSTICE WOULD BE ALL OF THESE THINGS!AS MUCH KILLING AND MURDER AND EVIL THEY HAVE CAUSED THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE! TRY THEM AT HAGUE TOO FOR WAR CRIMES! AND NOW! DON’T LET THEM APPOINT ANOTHER GODDAMN JUDGE! AND RECALL ROBERTS,NOW! HE SHOULD NOT COUNT! DEMAND IMPEACHEMENT AND NOW! IF THERE IS ANY,ANY SHRED OF JUSTICE LEFT IN AMERICA,THOSE MURDERING,LYING,NO GOOD,EVIL FASCIST BASTARDS WILL BE IMPEACHED AND HANGED FOR TREASON,ETC.
October 2nd, 2005 at 8:55 pmDo the people that post here think that using foul language makes them smart? I lump theses people in with alll the Baloneywood losers who try to make people think think that they matter.
October 2nd, 2005 at 8:56 pmTHE IMPEACHMENT OF DOBLEYA WILL BE THE SALVATION OF
October 2nd, 2005 at 8:59 pmAMERICA!!
MAY BE GOD WILL BE AMERICAN FOR ONE DAY!!
Bucky
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:05 pmAnd, you don’t know what’s happenin’, do you, Mister Jones – Bob Dylan
Naaaaaaa, the trolls are just listening to Pat Robertson’s all day that’s all..They’ll catch up…..Blessings
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:07 pmImpeach and jail Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld for war crimes
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:07 pmAnd jail Congress for duplicity to commit war crimes, especially the Repubs who support Bush, AND especially HILARY and JOHN KERRY
may they all rot in hell
wow…this group needs an enema
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:10 pmI am sorry but Tom Flocco seems to be able to develop a conspiracy or totally untrue story out of thin air:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=3617
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:10 pmHey gcg
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:11 pmF”k you
Hey gcg
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:12 pmStick your enema up your ass
for those of you calling for impeachment, AfterDowningStreet needs your help. they have a new campaign to get the pollsters to ask the impeachment questions. go help them out.
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:19 pmOncall
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:20 pmNow that makes sense to me – that Barbara Olsen was never on that freakin flight – cause her husband was so cavalier about her death – and the whole question of how a boeing 747 could have disappeared into that little hole in the side of the pentagon – it’s all a fake – so now she’s alive = wow!
NOw this is what we’re going to have to do
Cause the shit is clearly hitting the fan
we’re are all going to have to go to our jobs
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:24 pmand carry on as before
but the truth is going to rock this country
to its core
so hang on snoopy, snoopy hang on
and we can ride out this nazi storm
[...] Think Progress: Source to Stephanopoulos: President Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal: Near the end of a round table discussion on ABC’s This Week, George Stephanopoulos dropped this bomb: [...]
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:25 pmOur new savior – Patrick Fitzgerald
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:28 pmHey lukery
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:31 pmF”k the pollsters
We’re in reality now
what i dont understand is why are any of you takibg matters into your own hands??? is this your country or not? has any one of you ever read the bill of rights? if you go down the list you’ll realize not one of those rights is recognized by your (government?)lords. why arent you socalled freedom loving liars taking back your lives, country? and all you oppose the war, the only way it will stop is when the soldiers oppose the war and refuse to fight, expect another 9/11 only bigger and to use a new speak term “multinational” after all, war has become the sport of the rich. some seem to think the problems of your country can be solved with the level of thinking that caused those problems in the first place? apathy? , you all talk like you have something to say. talk is cheep. you people will never be free. why when you claim to have answers do you let some idiot who has no idea who you are, make decisions that control every aspect of your life? when will the human race and individuals start making decisions for them selves instead of being led? its not called television PROGRAMMING for nothing. how could you americans ever let any person have no restraints for using nuclear bombs? nukes are for civillian populations, as we’ve seen. suprieme court? acording to who? if any one told me they were the suprieme anything i would slap them. you people are dumber than those who rule over you. if knowlegde is power, you dont know anything. soory but i had to point ouy the obvious.
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:41 pmbob
Americans need advice, we don’t know what the f’ck is happening here. Do you realize that? That we dont’ understand ourselves what is going on, and we are just slowly starting to figure it out.
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:50 pmapparently, you all trust in your courts not realizing that the pourpose of an arguement is to change the nature of truth. you have presidents not realizing power attracts psychotics, always. “good governmet” is a contradiction in itself.you all invest in there rigged markets not knowing prosperity is dangerous to ALL those who hold power. what other function does propaganda serve than to suppress and deny individual will? who is the liar, thief, and destroyer but the man who employs violence enforcing his will and at the same time declareing a moral code? government in its nature denies men are free. governments if they endure always tend increasingly toward aristocratic forms. no government in the history of the world has been able to avoid this pattern. as this aristocracy entrenches governments overwhelmingly act exclusively in the intrest of the ruling class, be it hereditary, entrenched bureaucracy, or as you have now oligarchs of financial empires. politics is a repeat phenomenon, over and over. you all consume and want more not realizing property of any kind is always gained and held by violence or the threat of it. every civilization depends upon the quality of the people it produces. if you over organize, over legalize them and suppress their urge to their god given greatness, they become apathetic and their civilization collapses. do any of you read? you have no hope.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:17 pmwash bush under oath when questioned by special prosecutor? This is a prerequiste for bringing a perjury prosecution.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:19 pmcan you say a second watergate. If POTUS or VPOTUS is implicated in any direct way, there will be huge calls for resignation. Hello Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:26 pmHey patriot, did ya hear china is restricting, and editing internet news, blogs, and such. If it was’nt for the meekness of your U.S.marines you would’nt have the right or ability you have today to share your opinion. You should show a little respect regardless of which side of the equation you may be on. But I’m not yo moma(hee, hee). So I won’t expect any more class from you and yours.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:27 pmStephy, Clinton’s butt boy, has no sources in the White House. It appears that some idiots here fell for it. LOL!!!
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:33 pmMany of us became more suspicious when Bush and Cheney agreed to talk to the spec. prosc. ONLY if they were not sworn on oath.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:38 pmIn the face of what is dribbling out now, it is even more clear why they did that.
It’s even more clear why Bush rejected the investigation at first.
Everything is more clear now, but we must wait for the process to indict them all.
Bob, many of us are furious enough to take matters into our own hands, but anarchy is not the answer. The number of Republicans who support this man and his cabal is astonishing, but nothing will change the minds of that percentage.
Bush could commit murder on television at 6PM and a certain number of people would defend him.
usmc, man of murder. rights are inherent i.e. from god. no body gave me the right to use my right arm, that was given by god, not us marines(murders), its called unalienable, dont they have schools in your country? didnt you take an oath to defend the constitution? shouldnt you honor that oath, or are you another liar like bush? im not on any side of the equation, just pointing out the obvious.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:39 pmVERY IMPORTANT: Under this particular law (willful disclosure of the name of an undercover agent), both the President and Vice President are exempt from prosecution. Also, as the primary classifier of information (security guidelines), the President may declassify any information, including the identity of an undercover agent. Also, as President, he determines whether the government is actively trying to hide the identity of the agent. While it is interesting to discuss impeachment, this is not a violation of the law by the President, should he be the source of the disclosure.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:42 pmwell marie it would depend on who he is murdering. If it was that diabolical bastard osama then ya, I would still defend him.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:42 pm“…Hey patriot, did ya hear china is restricting, and editing internet news, blogs, and such…”
Get your head out of your ass.
http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news2/latimes860.html
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:44 pmeven God ordered servants of his to go out and kill those who came against him. I will not stand by while you rape my 7 year old daughter, or try to kill my wife.As a matter of fact, I would not stand by if someone tried to kill you in front of me(wow what a concept).And I don’t know you from Adam. Don’t get self-righteous w/ me Bob. Many men have sacrificed there lives over the years for the vermin as well as the citizen, and in other countries than our own too.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:48 pmway off topic shit head, no more defending my service. peace yall
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:51 pmBush cannot pardon himself IF certain impeachment conditions are met first-like the house impeaches him first.
For more details:
http://prissypatriot.blogspot.com (search bush/cheney indictments)
and http://citizenspook.blogspot.com Spook cites all his work like a good lawyer should..
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:58 pmgod ? god who? if god created all of us, and he wanted some one dead , dont you think he should be man enough to kill poeple himself? i just told you your constitution has been usurped, and you’ve taken an oath to defend it, here you are for every one to read, will or will you not honor that oath? i dont think any iraq man or woman has ever threatend anyone in the (UNITED?) states rights, but your government has denied them all. so what do you do? and on top of that men dont “sacrifice” them selves for a contry. the united states is a figment of your imageination, the united states doesnt exsist any where but in your head, and on a piece of paper. since when should a figment hold more power and rights than real men and women? any way you are just following the law of nature. “for every reaction there is an equal and opposite reaction” you are the offspring on a nation who murdered 100 million natives and stole their land, and now it is your turn for the “reaction”. peace
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:03 pmFrom Stephanopoulis’ lips to God. This administraton has ruined everything tht was decent about America. They have all lied with impunity since day one, and it’s time for them to pay the bill. Whether Fitz will indict Bush and Cheney is questionable, but even if he gets the guys closest to them, it will cause them horrific political fallout. I hope it happens but, my God, can you imagine Hastert as President? I also think the Republican spin machine will have GS for breakfast tomorrow.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:05 pmwhy are you americans waiting for your lame dick con gress to do something when inaction is the most expiedant? is it your government or not. or is it georges? i guess we will find out.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:13 pmI think that Bush-Cheney et al have forgotten one thing, GOD is still bigger than them!! Who would have thought that Hurricane Katrina could have uncovered and exposed so much in so many ways……..and in such a short time.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:17 pmgcg
in response to your note at 308: I had my enema yesterday and you came out with the water.
I am your maker.
I am your God.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:21 pmgcg
No need to worship. I am making shit like you all the time.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:21 pm[...] It’s been swirling around the bloggosphere . . . was Bush directly involved with the intentional outing of an undercover CIA operative? Some are suggesting that’s why the special prosecutor has been so discrete, and hasn’t revealed much about his investigation. Interesting. Posted by: tony on Oct 02, 05 | 8:32 pm | Profile [0] comments (0 views) | [0] Trackbacks [0] Pingbacks [...]
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:33 pm#105: The timing of Stephanapoulos’ remark is interesting. Do you suppose this is the secret for which Judy Miller was willing to do jail time? Maybe Scooter had persuaded her to protect Bush til now, but with the Prez’ polls colder than the North Pole these days, perhaps the real powers behind the pupppets have concluded it’s time to throw Bush to the wolves to save themselves.
Comment by dakota — October 2, 2005 @ 1:30 pm
I think you’re on to something, dakota. The puppet must die!
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:47 pmwell marie it would depend on who [bush] is murdering. If it was that diabolical bastard osama then ya, I would still defend him.
Comment by bearmanU.S.M.C.
Use your head. If Bush were in the same room with Osama, Bush would be so scared he’d do something embarrassing – even for him.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:54 pmTo Dane…..I know exactly what you mean with regards to Howard…..unfortunetly our opposition party is almost as inept and bungling as the Democrats….I plan to do everything in my power to keep our mini-me neo-con hypocrites from winning the next election….
The only saving grace is that my leader can only really lead my region of the South Pacific/ South East Asia into ignorance and hate fueeled chaos….but George W and his cronies have placed everyone at risk.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:59 pmYou think he is involved? DUH!
October 3rd, 2005 at 12:01 am#19, they are reading this, but what you forget is their boss is dumbya the smarter….once a company man always a company man. He would not dare shat on his own spermial malfunction.
October 3rd, 2005 at 12:04 am#28, is that the lawyer that he hired when the downing street memos came to light (really did not when reported here in USA)?
October 3rd, 2005 at 12:07 amThe cavalcade of Republican corruption continues unabated. Only days after the indictment of Tom Delay and the commencement of an SEC investigation into insider trading by Bill Frist, the PlameGate investigation is heating up once again.
For a clear picture of Republican corruption, see:
“America’s Most Wanted: The Banana Republican Gang.”
October 3rd, 2005 at 12:13 amHey lets face it, if you were Bush wouldn’t you be an alcoholic/drug addict/Jesus wannabe? I mean the whole Bush family wants so desperately for us to like them, to be a dynasty and they are just pretentious, preppie hacks with derelict sons as offsprinng. How pathetic. Barbara big news flash, a dynasty you will never be. Your elder years are going to be a very sad end as you see the boys who you wanted so to be kings, just be the fools that they were all along.
You always knew they were small people that could never pull off the big ideals; that frankly they can only talk about. Of course you have to rig things, of course you have to break the law, if you do not have the leadership skills that it takes you have to rig the game. I mean why do you need a Karl Rove? Why pander to that creep Dick Cheney, why, because you don’t have it to give. And when you don’t have it you have to manufacture it. And the manufactured never stands up to the real thing
I mean democracy lets face it, is for people with a soul. When you don’t have it to give, you go to the bottle to prop you up. Bush uses Rove, Cheney, Rummy democracy, even Christianity and America like a snort of cocaine, or a hit of Jack, to give him what he does not have and will never have. You can tell… they just try too hard, poor souls, now look at them, just a bunch of pathetic little boys who are about to get a spanking they have deserved for a long time. But this time is going to be in front of a whole lotta people. If you think about it, it really could not have ended any other way.
Drink up ShrubCo. You are gonna need it. This is going to hurt you a lot more because we refuse to give you what you really want. Acceptance. All I keep seeing is that patheic Jim Baker of Jim and Tammy fame, being taken away in handcuffs, just a babbling,incoherent mess. You are gonna need a pardon to get you through rehab, sure wish you had not worked out all your issues on us…. jackass.
October 3rd, 2005 at 12:23 amIt’s notable that Bush, like DeLay, lawyered up far in advance of this.
My new Assclowns of the Week, btw, just up, provides an interesting link to the kind of people DeLay’s lawyer Dick Degeurin defends.
October 3rd, 2005 at 12:23 amWell, DUH!
October 3rd, 2005 at 1:01 amThe person commenting on Tom Flocco should look at this before they dismiss or decide on ANY theories of 9/11.
http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon244.swf
October 3rd, 2005 at 1:06 amI also googled this up. Guess what, my search came back with only 3 (three) hits, one of them being this very site. So, to all of you who are getting ready to open a champaine, you better stop! Because the sound you hear is Karl Rove laughing.
October 3rd, 2005 at 1:08 am#317/#319
October 3rd, 2005 at 1:22 ammaybe dubya had a hand in getting the blue dress stained.
October 3rd, 2005 at 1:36 amperhaps they were standing in a big circle
October 3rd, 2005 at 1:37 amJackie Gleason quote:
“HOW SWEET IT IS!”
October 3rd, 2005 at 2:07 amAre the goopers worried yet?
October 3rd, 2005 at 2:14 amwho has this on video – torrent it NOW!
October 3rd, 2005 at 2:19 amCrooks and Liars has the video if anyone is interested.
October 3rd, 2005 at 2:39 amIf blogs are vital in shaping the political landscape, then so are the attached comments. If we want Democrats to have spines, then we should be subject to standing straighter ourselves.
After reading these 300 plus comments, I got a general sense of dispair as in nothing will happen to these creeps. Just wait and see.
But, if you believe these comments are being spied upon by the current ‘powers that be’(PTB)- especially in light of the PTB checking the pulse of average American thinking – no doubt we would appear more cohesive in embracing a positive stance like “This rotten, corrupt gang is going DOWN! NOW!” … and, run with it; stay all over it.
This Administration needs to be terrified of our anger.
Just a thought.
Also, foul language debases us. Let the trolls do it – they can’t help themselves. However, creatures of true thought CAN and should.
One last thing. Creatures of true thought should check spelling and grammer if their presentment of educated intellectualism is to be taken seriously.
(In spite of this, I’ve probably made a lot of mistakes here.) Anyway, my thought is, if we stick together and present ourselves seriously, we can become a roaring crowd. Not just here, but at Huffpo, DKos and ALL the other blogs, interwoven as we are, thinking as we do, writing and working hard towards a unified end. That is, the END of this administration.
The day Bush moved into the WH, a dark cloud came over America as he burned the trees, razed the enviroment, looted the treasury and killed the people in a multitude of ways from financial to a war based on lies.
The troops to fight him are US. Posting ‘nothing will happen’ for the PTB to read, can only make them laugh and feel stronger. It’s better that they quake from a GRWOING and UNITED front that will NOT even consider the notion. MHO.
Fitzgerald will do his job. Let’s do ours.
BE STRONG, America. We WILL win. May whoever your God is, bless you.
October 3rd, 2005 at 3:00 amIs there a list on what W should be impeached for?
by now there should be 100s of reasons to go ahead and who knows maybe the House of Representatives will issue Articles of Impeachment and the Senate must then consider them as a panel of judges. If fixing the elections next time wont work the Senate might have a majority for the democrats and everything is possible …
October 3rd, 2005 at 3:07 amBush is a symptom of a good constitutional government infected with an incurrable disease: greed for money and power. Every former empire got the same Two Hundred Year disease, from the Spanish Conquistidors to the Britisdh Empire.
October 3rd, 2005 at 3:27 amThe only cure is change the form of government; the US Constitution in its original form will work perfectly for a Socialitic government which should last for the standard two hundred years before the disease of corruption gets spread in the hearts and minds of all Congressmen including Hillary what’s her name!
Spelling? Grammer? Oh…Grammar.
October 3rd, 2005 at 3:28 amok people. how many of you are registered and voting with the third parties? American Independent, Libertarians, Peace and Freedom, Green and so on . annything …. let me guess ..not many? ew need to start thinking and acting independetly. lets get out of our propaganda cage they made for us.
October 3rd, 2005 at 3:28 amI am noticing very few trolls these days… hmmm.
I had the delight to speak to a guy that works for me and pick his brain as to the current political mess. I was careful at first, as he is a blue collar laborer and seems the type to vote mindlessly for a REPUGnican.
To my suprise and delight, he actually knew who delay, libby, rove, and many other key players were in this mess. He actually said that he likes to play the part of an idiot to rile the REPUGnicans! KUDOS!
Further into my conversation with him, he told me that many many of his friends feel the same and are taking an active role in fixing the stupid under-paid masses that vote REPUGnican.
Don’t judge a book by its cover.
P.S.: I’ll supply the pretzels for the impeachment hearings.
October 3rd, 2005 at 4:35 amI FIND IT COMICAL THAT THIS WHITE HOUSE IS AGAINST INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS. THEY HAD KNOW PROBLEM SPENDING TAXPAYER MONEY WHEN IT CAME TO BUBBA CLINTON. MY HOPE IS BUSH AND CHENEY OK’D THIS PLAMEGATE AND THEY FRY FOR IT.
October 3rd, 2005 at 5:49 am[...] Hmmm. Plamegate gets more interesting. [...]
October 3rd, 2005 at 5:50 amLest we forget, these are the same people who are now considering “tactical nuclear strikes” to combat regimes possessing WMD. That should be enough to tell all of us just what kind of lunatics are running the show.
They got a lot of political mileage out of 9-11. They let it happen. What is to prevent them from doing the same thing again?
Aside from being out of touch with reality, they are truly (in my opinion) sinister, demented and deranged. Within the next few days we’ll hear once again how well things are going in Iraq and they are going to be free and have elections and a constitution and a…… blah, blah, blah.
October 3rd, 2005 at 6:57 amWhat a shame…if Bush gets impeached and doesnt even get a blow job out of the deal…
October 3rd, 2005 at 7:06 amOr a tasty cigar!
October 3rd, 2005 at 7:19 amImpeach the chimp and is Evil Crew. You talk bad about Clinton, which you should, but you love bush and is murder for hire crew???????????
YOu people are conservative, ther is nothing con. about you.
October 3rd, 2005 at 7:30 amDo I hear impeachment! Oh..Lord I can’t wait for these bums to bite the dust! Enough already..
October 3rd, 2005 at 7:38 amImpeach these jokers and bring the troops home. PLEASE!!!
It’s begining to look a lot like Christmas!
October 3rd, 2005 at 8:00 amSo another “Bush legal mind” is nominated for the supreme court? Harriet Mier has held Bush’s hands through all the horrors his administration has perpetrated, and then selects her for this position???Was she present when Fitzgerald questioned the president?? This is the legal mind that is comfortable with an administration that condons torture??? Of course, on reflection, this is a logical choice. Stack the supreme court with “not guilty” sycophants while the opportunity exists. This nomination is an insult to the people of this country..
October 3rd, 2005 at 8:19 am“Heretofore, everyone’s been parroting the line that there’s no way Dems can retake the House and Senate in 2006. But why is that?”
Because the Democrats are rarely barely better than the Republicans, so most people figure, why bother?
October 3rd, 2005 at 8:22 amBush Will likely get off with a slap on his Womanly Wrists. Roberts, Im thinking, is Likely Related to the BUSH Klan.
Heres just an INKLING of the Depth of Bush Halliburton Corruption, “Look MOM, the Same old Bush Sr. Whiffenpoof “Cronies”
Hopefully America has Learned its lesson when it comes to the Bush Family. Lets Take Out the Trash.
William Henry Trotter Bush (born 14 July 1938) is chairman of Bush Bush-O’Donnell Co. and son of Prescott Sheldon Bush. He is the brother George H.W. Bush and Uncle of George W. Bush.
William Henry Totter went to Yale with CIA-Director Porter Goss and John Negroponte where all three became member of the Fence Club.
He is one of the trustees of Lord Abbett & Co. with about 8 million shares of Halliburton.
Company’s Work in Iraq Profited Bush’s Uncle LA Times | February 24, 2005
WASHINGTON — The Iraq war helped bring record earnings to St. Louis-based defense contractor Engineered Support Systems Inc., and new financial data show that the firm’s war-related profits have trickled down to a familiar family name — Bush.
William H.T. “Bucky” Bush, uncle of the president and youngest brother of former President George H.W. Bush, cashed in ESSI stock options last month with a net value of nearly half a million dollars.
“Uncle Bucky,” as he is known to the president, is on the board of the company, which supplies armor and other materials to U.S. troops. The company’s stock prices have soared to record heights since before the invasion, benefiting in part from contracts to rapidly refit fleets of military vehicles with extra armor.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2026&u=/latimests/companysworkiniraqprofitedbushsuncle&printer=1
Among some of his other holdings are Right Choice Managed Care, Inc., Cobalt Corp., DT Industries, Inc., Engineered Support Systems, Intrav, Inc., Search Financial Services, Inc., Wellpoint Health Networks, Inc., and Medix Resources, Inc. He is also a trustee of his brother’s Presidential Library Foundation.
October 3rd, 2005 at 8:27 amAll of this – criminal exposure – and yet not a damned word, even a hint, from the major media.
But then, who expects better from them, anyway?
October 3rd, 2005 at 8:33 amI hereby sentence you with the most severe punishment applicable by law, which in this case, is spending the rest of your natural life in the same cell with turd-blossum!
October 3rd, 2005 at 9:56 amAny successor President, whether Cheney or Hastert or whoever would be next, would be a mere caretaker and nothing to worry about. The only thing we have to fear is fear. Itself.
October 3rd, 2005 at 10:13 amLook at comments 64 and 115. This is a setup on Stephanopoulus that defangs him as a Dem commentator, and creates a distraction in the process. Gawd, it’s miserable to have to be this cynical.
October 3rd, 2005 at 10:36 amA while back I heard Bush had retained and was consulting with a criminal lawyer. No reason for it except for the Plame case. Outing a CIA agent is considered treason and is one of the few things a president can be sent to jail for.
October 3rd, 2005 at 10:50 amOn the other hand Billy C did the perjury thing and had all sorts of dealings with the Chinese and he only got disbarred.
He who makes the rules does whatever the hell he wants to….
Here’s a good site for updates:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com Its a news aggregator, with comments by the editor.
October 3rd, 2005 at 11:01 amI think the White House will cut a deal to hand over Libby if the prosecutor will pass on indicting Rove and the rest of the gang…
October 3rd, 2005 at 11:06 amBush and Cheney had zero to do with Palme. It’s desperate democrats looking to smear them. So typical, so predictable. Meanwhile, in the real world Bush is busy appointing USSC judges and Appellate judges and signing bills into law.. So neener, neener.
October 3rd, 2005 at 11:18 amThis is not really news. Anyone with a lick of common sense already figured out the outing of Plame came right from chaney & bush, if they didn’t in fact pick up the telephone themselves.
So What? The fix is already in.
It doesn’t matter if Fitzgerald indicts Rove, Libby or even bush & chaney. Remember Christmas Eve 1992!
October 3rd, 2005 at 11:23 am“The fix is already in”.
Why would anybody take the blame for Bushie? Because by the time any court case could come to trial, Bushie will be going out of office and there’s always that “Presidential Pardon”.
October 3rd, 2005 at 11:35 amBush and tricky Dick won’t get impeached. The R’s in congress are WAY too Loyal to the Bush Clan. The Dem’s don’t have the balls to do it.
In the end, I predict that some high level underlings will “take bullets” for them. Rove… maybe, Scooter… Maybe. Their aids… certainly.
The Rs will have to work fast though, they need to get all these scandals cleaned up by the end of the year, February at the latest. Elsewise people might actually remember them come November 06. That would be bad for the Rs. Now if the scandals drag out to say June or July, then I’ll start to have hope. I’ll really start to have hope if the Dem’s actually grow a pair, come up with a coherent plan, and start acting like it.
October 3rd, 2005 at 12:16 pm[...] Think Progress » President Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal – Source to Stephanopoulos: President Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal Near the end of a round table discussion on ABC’s This Week, George Stephanopoulos dropped this bomb: Definitely a political problem but I wonder, George Will, do you think it’s a manageable one for the White House especially if we don’t know whether Fitzgerald is going to write a report or have indictments but if he is able to show as a source close to this told me this week, that President Bush and Vice President Cheney were actually involved in some of these discussions. [...]
October 3rd, 2005 at 12:19 pmPlease do not let this investigation slip away. Geo.W. is distroying our country
October 3rd, 2005 at 12:22 pmPresident Bush Directly Involved In Leak Plame Scandal?
Being away from news, the interweb, and not caring about politics for a weekend breeds relaxing and fun weekends, but with the consequence of having a backlog of news to go through. So hearing that George Stephanopoulos dropped a bomb…
October 3rd, 2005 at 12:23 pmI think I was taught (long time ago) we musn’t take pleasure in the troubles of others. I think.
October 3rd, 2005 at 12:24 pmSure, I think Bush and Cheney deserve to be impeached. But after what the Republicans have done to the entire U.S. government, it would be the equivalent of treating a terminal cancer patient for herpes. Our democracy is gone. I don’t ever expect to see the return of the America I once knew. The last hope was the American people. 40% of them want a religious dictatorship, and the 20% who are swing voters are more scared of phantom terrorists than disastrously corrupt government.
October 3rd, 2005 at 12:29 pmForgotten Politics
So, my question is, does Bush really expect us to believe that both his and the VP’s most trusted men leaked a CIA agent’s name to the press, acting on their own? This is just too far fetched to believe. Bush HAD to know what was happening. But if th…
October 3rd, 2005 at 12:45 pmWe know that Bush has the authority to grant pardons and we certainly expect the pardons will be granted to Abramoff, Delay, Frist, etc, but can a President issue a pardon for himself and his vice president.
October 3rd, 2005 at 12:58 pm[...] Source: President Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal (ThinkProgress) [...]
October 3rd, 2005 at 12:59 pmRobert (#81), so very well said. Thank you. Of course they know exactly what they’re doing. Telling us the opposite is a key element of their strategy.
October 3rd, 2005 at 1:04 pmBush sure picked an inegmatic figure to serve as a Justice on the Supreme Court. We know absolutely nothing about Myer, except that she is a chick who adds a marginal amount of diversity to the Court, so I am predicting that she is a Trojan, who will burst as soon as she slips inside the Court. The infected juices released will bring us closer to a state of fascism. She is a Bush Crony, after all. It would fit right into the pattern of the Bush strategic political operations to use deception in order to advance an agenda that I do not think anyone outside his group of intimate, life long associates is cognizant.
God only knows, and I am not referring to the god with whom Bush communicates, what this woman will do if she is ratified by the Senate.
Additionally, another strike against her, she is from Texas; the land that produces extrodinarily bad presidents from LBJ (not considering his work on civil rights, which is to his credit) to GWB. It must be in the water, or the lack of water, the causes these people from Texas who assume positions of Federal authority to bundle things up to the point that it takes nearly a generation to repair the damages.
So, “Yahooo,” another Texan Cowgirl in a position of power. I hope things work out for me concerning that Canadian position, because I want the hell out of here.
October 3rd, 2005 at 1:16 pmhttp://spaces.msn.com/members/russellcole38/
E Russell Cole
Well, this would explain why Bush wants the White House counsel on the Supreme Court.
October 3rd, 2005 at 1:22 pmBush should NOT be impeached. He should be required to serve his entire sentence- er term.
Right about now he would love to be put in an early release program.
October 3rd, 2005 at 1:31 pmWorrisome is today’s announcement of Bush’s nomination for the Supreme Court –close friend and confidant Harriet Miers — a woman described as “fiercely loyal” to Bush in the N.Y. Times profile of her (link below). In an administration that practices the “Three C’s” with dependable regularity (Corruption, Cronyism, and Contempt (for anything decent and fair) — this choice may be just the fix he needs to preserve and protect his modus operandi.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/03/politics/03cnd-scotus-profile.html
Ashley Hotz
October 3rd, 2005 at 1:38 pmPlamegate rolls along
Toward the end of “This Week…” Stephanopoulos casually drops the bomb that the CIA leak stench may waft right into the offices of the president and vice president.
October 3rd, 2005 at 1:41 pmBuah needs Supreme Court Justices who agree with his personal view that the President of the United States has virtually unlimited power- including the right to jail americans with no charges and no trial.
His “personal lawyer” who has called Bush the “most brilliant man I have ever met” is unlikely to constrain his vision.
October 3rd, 2005 at 1:41 pmYeah. So? Big deal. This is the GOP buddy! What are YOU going to do about it. Whine? The news will never cover it. Indictments will never be handed out. America is a cooked goose ready for serving up to China and everybody else. Get used to it.
October 3rd, 2005 at 1:44 pm[...] Think Progress has more. [...]
October 3rd, 2005 at 1:45 pmNot much of a leap from Bush and Cheney sneering and bad-mouthing a reporter when they thought the microphone was off, to the stench of this little operation out of the Karl Rove playbook. This, ladies and gentlemen, is the REAL George Bush, the one who in his entire lifetime never gave a damn for anybody at all…a carbuncle on the backside of humanity.
October 3rd, 2005 at 1:46 pmNothing is gonna happen.
Although this is an event which is showing what this group people is about for all the world to see, nothing is gonna happen.
Nothing will happen, because the press is down-playing it.
Nothing will happen, because the judicial branch is run by the same cabal.
Nothing will happen, because the Senate is the same cabal.
We may hear about it in the news, or we may not, but it doesn’t matter. Nothing is gonna happen. Except more state-sponsored terrorism, and more facism.
This will ultimately result in civil war.
October 3rd, 2005 at 2:04 pmJohn Dean wrote a good summary of the PlameGate legal case a few months ago- it’s on Findlaw. He mentions several statutes that could be used to throw Rove et al in the Clinker (including the statute that he himself and other Watergate defendants were prosecuted under). If the prosecutor wants indictments- they are readily available- and he is likely to win conviction. Of course he managed to push this thing past the elections- so he doesn’t seem to have a strong taste for Gooper blood- so who knows.
Was Bush involved? It’s hard to imagine Libby and Rove engaging in a carefully planned scam to discredit Wilson without having their Bosses at least informed.
Even supposing that Bush was not given a heads up ahead of time- what are we supposed to make of his own “internal investigation” conducted by Gonzalez? Did Rove and Libby lie to Gonzalez and to Bush? Impossible- so if Bush didn’t know prior to the fact- he HAD to know after the fact- if not- he would have fired Rove by now for lying to him.
Now if we suppose that Bush knew what Rove and Libby did- or were planning to do- and then held a sham investigation- and didn’t pass on the result to the prosecutor- there must be a hundred laws he violated- pick one.
Of course- he can’t be indicted while sitting as president- only impeached- and the goopers won’t do it.
The best scenario is one where all americans know that he is guilty- his white house goes to jail one or two at a time- and the goopers blindly stand behind him.
This is one of the few scenarios where we get a dem congress in 2006.
October 3rd, 2005 at 2:09 pm“Hear Say” won’t stick. It will take a politically suicidal leaker to make anything stick.
October 3rd, 2005 at 2:10 pmI have to agree that it would be great to have the most corrupt administration removed. This administration not only makes Nixon’s White House look like pure angels, but also has made the oval office into a joke.
We need someone in the oval office to reclaim the morality bring back equal opportunity, instead of ‘my white friend needs a job, and there just happens to be an opening on the high court for a white judge’
More white judges. Clarence Thomas must be feeling like a fleck of pepper in salt soup right about now.
No. I admit it would be nice. But it would also be just a dream.
Here’s hoping dreams do come true.
October 3rd, 2005 at 2:10 pmI want to quote the person who Bush has picked next for a Supreme Court position. The following are her actual words in an online forum;
“The President throws horseshoes to Barney, and Barney runs after them.”
ok… Barney is a freakin dog! Why is this supposedly brilliant woman, bound for a life time appointment to one of the most important jobs in our country, actually able to address anything that has to do with Bush’s dog?
Miers continued;
“Metal horseshoes are too heavy for Barney to lift, so he doesn’t carry them around. Instead he moves them around with his nose…”
What the f@#$ was she thinking?
then Miers wrote;
“… the president loves horsing around with Barney.”
more of the same -
“The President spends some of his down time exercising… He also reads a lot…”
Some of his down time???? How much down time should the leader of the free world have while at war?
here is the final kicker from this strong, independent minded intellectual;
“He is a great role model for all of us.”
huh? How much kissing up was that? yes, there are great role models in the world… George W Bush though? Come on!
Besides having gotten the job of President, what has he ever done to be considered a role model?
the answer by the way is; absolutely nothing!
October 3rd, 2005 at 2:17 pmWhen the boypuppet resigns (Nixon was given that ultimatum) or IS Forced out of office (now, that would be something to watch)-then, and only then, will I believe that the times they are a changin.
October 3rd, 2005 at 2:19 pm-This admin could go on until January 2009-think about how bad it is NOW and what the coming years will bring?
And, it is not getting any better…even if bush is drinking and falling off his bicycle, and dick cheney has a cane–no matter the presstitutes REFUSE to lend any significance to it-the corruption, the (possible)drinking, the LIES and MORE LIES–I would say the people have spoken-at least half are saying: hey, that’s cool, we don’t care.
the ONLY thing that traditionally kicks the asses of Americans to wakeup is a major recession/depression– it is always $–Greenspan bails in Jan 06–he has been at the helm of juggling fiscal malfeasance-deficits,housing market, credit bubbles, new bankruptcy law…. for decades-he maybe leaving his post before the next hurricane hits.
The only way Bush and Chaney are going to be indicted for conspiracy is if they do it themselves.
October 3rd, 2005 at 2:47 pmMaybe the dems will create a “final exam” on constitutional law to test President Clusterfluck’s nominee. Passing grade will be one question answered correctly for the goopers on the panel.
October 3rd, 2005 at 2:57 pmSurely Bush gave his nominee a good quizzing on constitutional law before nominating here eh?
October 3rd, 2005 at 2:59 pmDems like Bush’s pick’s position on abortion.
“How can she votea against abortion” said one wag, “she is one”.
October 3rd, 2005 at 3:04 pmCall me when the charges are made and Senate is going to follow thru. Untill then, this is nothing but liberal “hopeful” noise. The WMD issue didn’t bring Bush, nor the torture issue, nor the entire bs Iraq War issue. Unless the Senate Repub see Bush as a major liability to them in 2006, then they will no t do jack shit about, and the Dems don’t have the power in the Senate. The elction in 2006 may change that, but at this point, I would count on anything.
October 3rd, 2005 at 3:12 pmWayne Madsen is looking at this issue through the lens of today’s announcement for the latest ‘Supreme’…
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
Could be that Bush & Co. are basing their ’strategery’ on a possible impeachment battle after the 2006 elections…connecting the dots can be fun!
October 3rd, 2005 at 3:16 pm“What a wicked web we weave when first we practice to deceive.”
October 3rd, 2005 at 3:32 pmIt’s easy enough to determine whether Stephanopoulos’
remark carries real weight.
Ask him. Deluge the network with e-mails demanding a clarification. Insist Chris Matthews interview him. Make phone calls. Write letters. Talking to one another on a blog is therapeutic, but without proactivity from bloggers the comment could evanesce quickly into the dark night.
October 3rd, 2005 at 3:39 pmOn topic – whoooooo would that “close to this” source be, Steffy – Hillary?? Charlie “Connor” Rangel? Bob “Can’t Win” Schrum”? Louis “Racist” Farrakhan?? Who?? Steffy loves to drop tidbits to yank your chains – he already gave you the scoop on “The Big Dog” – he’s ready to leap in the limelight again!!! (Who else but ABC devotees care about that ‘has been’?)?) You guys are tooooo pitiful – and desperate. And while you “regressives” fear the coming “military/fascist takeover” – a “super secret” word of advice: leave while you still can!!!!!!!!!! It may be your last hope!!!!!!! tee-heee heee!!
October 3rd, 2005 at 3:40 pm3367 – PLUNGER
You got a pretty good handle on it youngster, but there is much more that I will not go into now.
Of course Bush and Cheney are involved in the Plame deal. I know exactly how it happened.
Rove approached Bush and told him of the stink Wilson was raising. Bush called in Cheney from his undisclosed bunker location and they talked it over. It was Roves idea to blast Wilson through the CIA link to his trip.
From the oval office Cheney called the CIA and found out that Wilsons wife was a undercover CIA agent.
They then discusssed who would be best to get this information that they felt was damaging to Wilson out to the public and all three agreed that fellow card carrying wingnut Bob Novak would be the one.
That is how it all came about. Why else do you think Bush and Cheney had high priced CRIMINAL lawyers with them when interviewed by Fitzgerald?
October 3rd, 2005 at 3:59 pmMy question is… if she was not covert (she wasn’t) and was no longer an undercover agent (she wasn’t)….. where is the crime?
Are they pursuing this because the admin. thought they were ‘outting’ her?
October 3rd, 2005 at 4:10 pmIf not…. could someone please tell me what the heck the crime was?
PS. Don’t trust much of anything that comes out of Steph’s mouth. He is an extremely biased person. I cannot figure out why any news organization would hire him as an expert. Why not go ahead and hire Starr as an expert on the Democratic Party. Makes about as much sense.
October 3rd, 2005 at 4:12 pmWar crimes trial comes to Vancouver
Bush’s alleged torture charges show up in Vancouver Supreme Court room Thursday, September 29th 2005
On November 30th of 2004, Lawyers Against the War laid a “criminal information†against Bush in the Provincial Court of British Columbia, Vancouver, alleging seven counts of aiding, abetting and counseling the commission of torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo Bay.
http://republic-news.org/archive/122-repub/122_crawford.htm
October 3rd, 2005 at 4:12 pmI was just in “Beautiful” British Colombia Canada – it is gorgeous but too many of the people reeeeekkkkk of political correctness. I could give two sh*ts about their lawyers (squishy, squish!!) Kind of like the other ONE WORLD types I know – They remind me of the chicken sh*t French – “love those terrorists!” I asked my husband why his favourite college football team, the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame weren’t called a tough French moniker (with a school named Notre Dame). My favourite jock-Neanderthal laughed and said “whoever heard of the ‘fighting French’?? So TRUE!
October 3rd, 2005 at 4:32 pmThis is quite a string of messages from almost entirely progressives. I find it encouraging. Therefore, since there are still progressives out there, I am going to issue the following warning to the naive, the Young, and the idealistic: Do not ever join the Green Party. It is the most inept organization I have ever participated in. Furthermore, their facade of an organization that conducts itself in a socially democratic fashion is the biggest bunch of crap of which one could possibly conceive. It is an oligarchy with a few power hungry elites operating the whole disorganized mess of an ‘political party.’
October 3rd, 2005 at 4:36 pmSo, my young idealistic friends, who are eager to enact social reform, take heed of my advice and do not fall for the trappings of false prophets; never join the Greens!
E Russell Cole
http://www.spaces.msn.com/members/russellcole38/ (SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC GREEN ACTIVISM)
Vive la France!
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0930/p01s04-woeu.html
October 3rd, 2005 at 4:42 pmMy question is… if she was not covert (she wasn’t) and was no longer an undercover agent (she wasn’t)….. where is the crime?
>Don’t you wish it was that simple?
>Do you really suppose that agents of any “police” agency or that “agency” itself “out” their former agents or their former undercover operations?
>Not only was Plame outed, but the undercover operation she had worked for was exposed to whomever or whatever country we were spying on and thereby all others who worked at that operation as well.
>And any other future operations at which Plame might be useful are now shot because of a lack of integrity of those occupying the White House.
October 3rd, 2005 at 4:45 pm#425 you obviously know nothing about France or perhaps bigotry is where you feel most comfortable.
October 3rd, 2005 at 4:53 pmFrance was on the winning side of two World Wars and suffered some of the worst causalties in WW1. Under Napolean- France was a world military power.
Of course the french got their butts kicked in Vietnam- but then so did the US.
October 3rd, 2005 at 4:58 pmBigotry knows no nationality (just look at America’s past…and present).
I’ve been to France and speak the language…does that put me on the neo-con ’super duper traitor list’???
October 3rd, 2005 at 5:03 pmif I’m dubya….a little distraction would be helpful.
October 3rd, 2005 at 5:07 pmhow about a new supreme court nominee??
How about some indictments?
October 3rd, 2005 at 5:26 pmWe should all remember that Bush refused to meet alone with the committed investigating the Plame affair; he required Cheney to hold his hand; there would be no tape or video recording; no scribe, and committee members were to (I may be wrong on this) take no notes out of the room.
But what if he and Cheney are guilty nothing’s going to happen to any of them. Screw the good of the country, (This administration has for certain done that) it’s just “politics”.
October 3rd, 2005 at 5:32 pmThe only thing Shrub and Cap’n Fake-heart don’t have anything to do with is responsible governing. The rest of the slime oozing from their administration is entirely their doing.
October 3rd, 2005 at 5:37 pmI always thought that it was Miller’s interest to go to jail. In jail she cannot be hit by a car or something similar… There is children book where a boy, the main character, is badmouthing the dorm he lives in. The director of the dorm confiscates his letters and says to him his letters will not go home with all the bad stuff in it. From there on whenever he wants to signal to his parents that things are bad he writes “ironhat” in front of the sentence and writes the nicest things about the dorm. Same thing here. When Bush says: “I want to know who is leaking from my administration”, you just have to put an “ironhat” in front of it. Then It will translate immediately: “Heh, I do not need to know who did it because I already know it.”
October 3rd, 2005 at 5:37 pmSee http://editorialpaintings.com/pages/3/index.htm Bush in custody, “Extraordinary Rendition”.
October 3rd, 2005 at 5:39 pm#430 – RW – Were the “fighting French” on the winning side of WWII after they successfully defended Paris -oops, that didn’t happen….or when they surrendered/collaborated by setting up that puppet Vichy regime? If as many people who claim to be in the French underground REALLY were, the Nazi’s would have had their asses kicked all the way back to Berlin – or better yet, they would have been KILLED.
October 3rd, 2005 at 6:00 pmGood to know, Aphro, you have married someone equally inferior to yourself so you can have a bud to sit around and insult others with. Please don’t reproduce.
October 3rd, 2005 at 6:00 pmHelped hide drunk driving arrest
Miers’ loyalty to Bush is above question. When he first decided to run for governor in the early 1990s, he hired Miers to comb his background for anything derogatory that opponents might try to use to defeat him.
Miers also introduced Bush to Alberto Gonzales, who served as Bush’s counsel while governor and later in Washington, before being named U.S. attorney general.
During Bush’s first term as governor, Gonzales used information turned up by Miers to persuade a local judge to excuse Bush from jury duty, a civic task that would have forced him to disclose his 1976 arrest for drunken driving in Maine. The incident was not divulged until the waning days of Bush’s 2000 campaign for the White House.
(MSNBC)
October 3rd, 2005 at 6:01 pmfavourite? like colour? You sure are strange troll, Aphro. Anglophile?
October 3rd, 2005 at 6:01 pmAphrodite- Yes- of course they were.
October 3rd, 2005 at 6:08 pmMightyDingbat, you miss several key things in your argument (as you always do).
1) It was the DEMOCRATS who defended france and the UK. It was republican and your reichwing buddies who defended and even helped fund hitler. In fact prescott bush was hand slapped after the war for his ‘illegal’ investments in the hitler war machine.
2) It was the french who are responsible for the existence of the US. Without french assistance during the revolutionary war, the US wouldn’t exist and you’d be singing god save the queen.
Get a clue you useless dingbat!
October 3rd, 2005 at 6:12 pmOh, and lets not forget that those french you so readily dismiss were the central source of much of the intelligence that made it possible for us to win the war.
You should be called Mighty Crap for Brains…
October 3rd, 2005 at 6:13 pmIf a nation is primarily to be respected for their military victories- then we should be bowing to the nation who defeated Hitler- Russia!
October 3rd, 2005 at 6:23 pmCNN reports that a second indictment has been issued in Texas for Tom Delay. Congratulations Tom.
October 3rd, 2005 at 6:48 pmMaybe there is hope that this country can return to “normal”. If Bush and Cheney are implicated in this , there is no reason why they both should not be impeached. Delay keeps getting indictments handed down on him , Frist is going to end up with an SEC investigation, Wonder if they have Marthas old cell at Alderson ready for him , insider trading, WHAT WAS HE THINKING. I forgot , repugnantcans never think , they do what they feel like and hope not to get caught. And when they do get caught, they SPIN SPIN SPIN.
October 3rd, 2005 at 7:57 pmThe Bush regime created a club of cronies. Since the great ’80s when RReagan began the downfall of the middle class these cronies were brewing their concoction and planning a take over of our government when the possibility arose.
October 3rd, 2005 at 7:59 pmIN 2000 the opportunity came and went with a coupe of our government by these same cronies. Bush was not qualified to be president but was the right guy for Karl since they were friends and good friends will do anything for each other.
Today this regime is running out of steam and losing its luster. The cronyism is catching up with them and finally some are being endicted for crimes with money. Money the root of all evil was ever more prevelant with the Bush regime ..
More and more indictments will surface as time goes on ..
Bush Involved in TreasonGate
Conversations About Plame/Wilson? This has often entered the minds of the reality based community but is not even wispered in the Main$treamMedia. The October Surprise that Fitzgerald has packaged up is hopefully one that they can not deny their way…
October 3rd, 2005 at 8:01 pm“Surely there is something you can do”
“No, there isn’t, and don’t call me Shirley”
If all this was revealed because of Katrina, perhaps the reason the trolls talking about the “greater good” of things and how Bush is a great president (and thus, reelected because of it) aren’t here is because they’re trying to come up with something to counter one of their very own arguments.
There’s no way Bush will be removed from office before he gets to start his war in Iran and Syria, unless the aforementioned “greater good” is actually involved with the presidency, which I have doubted more than I can admit to.
Just watch. The draft will kick in, and the only people left alive after the war will be the cowardly trolls, and Bush will be elected King of the World, and he’ll make a throne in Israel to declare that he is God…
October 3rd, 2005 at 8:19 pmBush:
He there Miery- you ain’t wonna them “judicial activists” are ya- ya aren’t supposed to be wonna them”? OK I guess yer qualified.
October 3rd, 2005 at 8:40 pm#439 – “Good to know, Aphro, you have married someone equally inferior to yourself so you can have a bud to sit around and insult others with. Please don’t reproduce.” – P&P
“Equally inferior” – that sounds a little Hitleristic, P&P – and veeeeery intolerant!! When one of my squishy, liberal girlfriends was talking about wanting to get married a few years ago, (I know – a true heresy for you “progressive womyn”) I asked her what kind of guy she was looking for. Her reply didn’t surprise me in the least “A New Age liberal – a sensitive guy.” I couldn’t stop laughing – thankfully, unlike the majority of libs I meet – she has a sense of humour. She asked me what was so funny. I told her I hoped she found what she was looking for. I also told her that kind of squishy man would never appeal to me – I already had enough girlfriends. P.S. We have four beautiful little Republicans.
October 3rd, 2005 at 8:42 pmTouche, Anglo-dite!
Merci mon amis in helping to defend a longtime ally and friend of America…perhaps just not one to the neo-cons who are currently running it into the ground…
October 3rd, 2005 at 8:43 pmIsn’t it a bit suspicious, or is it a mere coincedence that the day after Bush was outed he appoints his own personal lawyer to the Supreme Court, from what I’ve seen of these criminals there are NO coincedences.
October 3rd, 2005 at 8:43 pmI always personally thought that Bush was directly involved. He is obviously a very vindictive, alcoholic personality, person. Anyone who disagrees with him; anyone who tries to tell the truth about him, such as his awol status….THEY PAY…AND THEY PAY DEARLY for either outing him, telling the negative truth about him, or, in this case, again, telling the truth regarding the Bush lies to start war with Iraq. The Downing Street memos, show, WITHOUT DOUBT, THAT Bush fixed the intelligence.. Everybody is Bush’s fall guy……
October 3rd, 2005 at 9:29 pmI have parsed out Stephanopoulis’ grammar and I have a different take on this.
Many seem to be taking the highlighted words to indicate some WH insider reported to Stephie that Dubya and Cheney were involved. That got me all excited thinking that Stephie himself might be called before the Grand Jury by Fitzgerald to reveal HIS source (a la Miller/Cooper/etc.).
But then I read it again. The source claims he knows who Fitzgerald is indicting and that Fitz has evidence of a Bush/Cheney involvement in the conversations regarding the release of Plame’s identity.
Now the devil is in the details…and as the famous Watergate adage goes…what did Bush know (and say) and when did he know (and say) it.
If he merely discussed Plame to his staff and they had proper security clearances…it may merely be embarassing. For example if he cursed out at an WH Iraq Group meeting…”that CIA bitch who is married to Wilson is behind this I bet”. And then Libby took up the cudgels to play that with reporters…unlikely to be indictable or impeachable. But if he actually suggested a leak in any fashion he could be in a great deal of trouble.
October 3rd, 2005 at 10:09 pm[...] I’ve been watching it since yesterday and might as well share the secret location of the fountain of stupid. Go view the black hole of liberal thought on display in this thread, and beware – these idiots also drive on our highways. The quotes are so rich that I finally tossed out all but two in this embarrassment of liberal jewels. 194. [blah blah blah]… Oh, it might have been if they hadn’t succeeded in a crypto-fascist takeover of the country in 2000 and then nailed it shut in 2004 so that elections are meaningless because they can now rig them at will, the press is meaningless because it has been bought and enslaved, the Federal courts are meaningless because they have been stacked with shills, and the Congress is merely a Repugnantkin rubber-stamp for the W. House. [...]
October 3rd, 2005 at 10:23 pmCheck out http://www.worldcantwait.org
November 2, 2005 should be interesting.
October 3rd, 2005 at 10:48 pm[...] Think Progress » Source to Stephanopoulos: President Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal [...]
October 4th, 2005 at 12:13 am1) High ranking officials in any organization do NOT go off on a mission like Libby and Rove’s without checking in with their bosses- it just doesn’t happen.
2) If it DID happen- and the boss held an investigation about the infraction- if he is even reasonably competent- he would learn the truth.
3) If he did NOT for some reason learn the truth- he would at least have asked all potential leakers if they had been involved- if it turned out that they lied to him- he would fire them,
ergo- the fact that Bush has not fired Rove and Cheney has not fired Libby- is proof positive that both Cheney and Bush were involved. No other explanation makes even an iota of sense.
October 4th, 2005 at 12:45 am“We have four beautiful little Republicans”
Could make sure they get their share of the kool-aid you’re drinking on your way out!
October 4th, 2005 at 2:14 amYeah, Stephanopoulos … how about Reuters or Osama? wtf?
October 4th, 2005 at 2:32 amGee, I just can’t imagine who would want to plant false documaents fingering Iraq as trying to obtain Uranium oin Niger, can you?
October 4th, 2005 at 2:59 amAnyone who has been paying any attention to the politics of today should not be surprised by the what is being presented as a slow leak of pertinent information. If only the levee’s in New Orleans had such a privilege. What a sad “state” in America. I am truly embarrassed by the failure of our intelligence as humans… WOW!
October 4th, 2005 at 3:14 amThere is no doubt that the Boys were running the whole scam from the beginning The fact that the truth is leaking out is so poetically appropriate. Lets hope Fitz’ holds some feet to the fire.
October 4th, 2005 at 3:28 amGood post.
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This is american republican politics… 90% of the members of the house and the senate have enough illegal activities ongoing or in their past that they know they could be next. These crooks who run the gov’t they all look out for themselves. No one will go down, no one will be indicted. Bush will give his 2006 speech to america and tell the same lies and his poll numbers will be above 60 again… The whole system is totally corrupt.
October 4th, 2005 at 4:58 amMon Dieu!
love from canada
October 4th, 2005 at 5:17 amThe are all lawers.Do you wonder what they teach in law school.Rember judges are lawers to.
October 4th, 2005 at 6:00 amGeorgy Porgy = Partisan political hack. Of course, he learned from one of the great liars of all time (”I didn’t inhale”).
Maybe you guys (and Fitzgerald) should do a little research. You might find that Wilson outed his wife long before the Press asked Bush’s aides whether Plame was an operative.
Time for you guys to find another carcass to feed from.
October 4th, 2005 at 7:28 amhttp://eyeontheworld.typepad.com/home/2005/07/wilson_was_the_.html
there’s your link. it wouldn’t let me post it.
October 4th, 2005 at 7:29 am*POINTS AT THE FLAKES ON THIS BOARD AND LAUGHS!!!!!*
OMFG, INCREASE THE DOSAGE FOLKS. YOUR SANITY IS CRACKING.
October 4th, 2005 at 8:59 amIf it’s so damn bad in this country, go to Canada, just leave or something. Take your welfare sucking friends with you. wait, take those ass clowns in cali with you too. Go to france, be effective there at being targets for all the koranimals out there. bye bye sheep. You lost, the only base left for the left, are cooks like you who could come up with a conspiracy theory when a conservative coughs. Sheesh…ya’ll would be funny if you weren’t so pathetic.
If it looks like a duck ,walks like a duck,sounds like a duck.
October 4th, 2005 at 9:44 amMust be a duck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You liberals need to put one foot in front of the other before you stumble and fall on your face again. Just because some washed-up political pundit has a “source” that says Bush/Cheney are involved with some scandal doesn’t make it so. You guys are obviously desperate for anything at this point. Just another sign that you and your pathetic party are, literally, cracking up. Since this President has never lied to the American people, I have no reason to believe that he would start now just for some petty political payback. It just doesn’t add up. As usual and as in life, you will all be utterly and desperately disappointed. Here’s to your perpetual, self-imposed misery . . . have a horrible life.
October 4th, 2005 at 10:22 am“Wilson outed his wife”
My God- the revisionist goopers are back. Why don’t they go take a nap- no one’s buyin it any more.
October 4th, 2005 at 10:35 am#461 – “We have four beautiful little Republicansâ€
Could make sure they get their share of the kool-aid you’re drinking on your way out!
Comment by dtom21 — October 4, 2005 @ 2:14 am”
My kids hate Kool-Aid (it’s a little like libs – syrup sweet and no nutritional value.)
October 4th, 2005 at 11:23 am#461 – “We have four beautiful little Republicansâ€
Could make sure they get their share of the kool-aid you’re drinking on your way out!
Comment by dtom21 — October 4, 2005 @ 2:14 am”
My kids hate Kool-Aid (it’s a little like libs – syrup sweet and no nutritional value.)
October 4th, 2005 at 11:23 amBut they are “buyin it” and they won’t “go take a nap”!
The Halliburton mind control device is doing its nefarious work from the Karl Rove’s secret base on Mars!
On direct orders from President Chimpy in conjunction with the Illuminatti and the Elders of Zion, the mind control protons are whirling their way through the internet!
However, well constructed foil head gear will repulse the mind control protons.
Make sure you are equipped with this headgear before logging on to any liberal blogs.
Diebold and “Scooter Libby” are making sure that “liberal” blogs are deliberately targeted so be careful!
WARNING: Make sure you use generic foil instead of name brand! The molecular make up of name brand foil such as Reynold’s Wrap (as in “wrap up the truth with Republican lies) has been altered by Bechtel to allow the mind control protons through!
Appeasement is Strength!
October 4th, 2005 at 11:31 am[...] Today, President Bush was finally asked about his personal involvement in the CIA leak scandal. (A questions some of us have been calling on the media to ask for some time.) QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. [...]
October 4th, 2005 at 12:00 pmWell he wasn’t asked “Were you involved in any discussions with Rove/Libby about the Plame leak?”- but at least he was asked something.
October 4th, 2005 at 12:17 pmNew Zogby Poll out- President Putz with a 43% approval rating.
October 4th, 2005 at 12:28 pmwhy isnt this on cnn and fox?
October 4th, 2005 at 12:50 pmYou just know that Karl Rove’s Flying Monkeys are winging their way to haul that reporter off to Abu Graib for having the temerity to ask such a question!
That poor reporter is going to get “The Treatment” from Libby!
They don’t call him “Scooter” for nothing…..
October 4th, 2005 at 12:54 pmthere is another blog from japan that has this as a topic.
http://forum.japantoday.com/m_600724/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#600724
this blog is full of brainwashed right wingers trying to spread the lies overseas. please help to spread the truth by visiting the blog and showing the opinions of the real people of the usa.
October 4th, 2005 at 1:04 pmYHBT
October 4th, 2005 at 1:25 pmBU-SH kills American boys! By starting a war! All because of OIL, PRIDE & LIES! Takes away our rights as Americans. Put’s Americans in jail without a trial. Puts people in camps in CUBA just because they don’t like his way of thinking. I could go on but…. If that is not good enough reasons to IMPEACH BU-SH I don’t know what is. For the first time since Viet Nam I am ASHAMED of my goverment. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. The only reason no one has shot him yet is, only the good die young. “MAY THE CURSE OF ALMIGHTY GOD BE UPON YOU G.W.BU-SH!”
October 4th, 2005 at 1:27 pm21 Administration Officials Involved In Plame Leak
The cast of administration characters with known connections to the outing of an undercover CIA agen
the yurika report link
http://www.yuricareport.com/Corruption/21AdminOfficialsInvolvedInTGate.html#anchor800571
Worse Than Watergate:
Directory of the Investigation of the CIA Leak
the yurika report link
http://www.yuricareport.com/Law%20%26%20Legal/DirectoryOfCIALeak.html
October 4th, 2005 at 1:44 pmBush should not be impeached. The american public sentenced him to four years of hell in the White House- and he should serve every single day. Even if the stress and depression causes a heart attack- his molding corpse should remain in the White House as a warning to any who would think of following his example.
October 4th, 2005 at 2:52 pmDon’t uncork the champagne just yet.
Rove still has control of his Oil Cartel; Illuminati world bankers; Texas voting machine corporations, etc…BUT for how long?
At least now America is waking up to the fact that we know, as in the fall of Rome, that the Evil is from within…and always has been. I ask you:
What kind of a government destroys it’s citizens for “self-preservation? ”Cannon Fodder.” Right, Jeb?
Evil never lasts. Evil always destroys itself.
Further questions arise: Will Rove destroy The American Republic to save the Bush/Cheney Cartel?
Martial Law? Another “terrorist attack?†Start a nuclear war?
The Bush/Cheney Mafia crime families started all of this with the assassination of JFK and at least 100 others and what you see now before you is Americas attempt to bring them all to justice…As John Roberts has just said: “No one is above the law, not even the president.â€
Well, we are not holding our breath.
As long as Sharon controls our congress through his AMDOCS corporation that monitors every telephone conversation in Washington, DC and, indeed, in all of the United States; we will remain behind “the curse of the Neo-Cons:â€â€¦Just ask Jim McGreevy.
As long as Rumsfeld and Poindexter and Negroponte are controlling “Newsbytes†and monitoring web sites such as this:
As long as Republican corporations manufacture electronic voting machines with no transparency…and count the votes behind closed doors and then announce who is the winner by all of the major networks and all at the same time:
Our children and grandchildren will not even know what hit them.
After their 12 trillion dollar heist is completed Cheney’s pace maker will conveniently “malfunction†and Bush will end up like McCarthy: a hopeless alcoholic with “Alzsheimers†domiciled on his Texas ranch…but both will no doubt will be pardoned for crimes against Humanity and Mother Earth…it’s the Mafia way!…Right, Kenny Boy Lay?…”Get in bed with the crooks” per George HW Bush!
Like Rome, our American “Democratic†Republic is crumbling right before our very eyes.
Do not be cajoled by those who offer that Bush is now suffering mightily by having those around him being indicted…etc.
It is time for IMPEACHMENT. It’s time for a Diebold, et al Texas Tea Party…big time.
October 4th, 2005 at 3:50 pmYou people really need to increase your thorazine drip.
October 4th, 2005 at 5:24 pmWow!
What a collection of clueless clowns on this site…
Hey posted #490, which planet did your little scenario play out on? Was that planet even in this galaxy?
October 4th, 2005 at 5:27 pmWhat we need is for the Democrat party to co-opt NASA by force and send eco-warriors to the Mars to take out the Halliburton Mind-Control Ray!
DON’T YOU SEE?
Prersident Chimpy is stealing food from the mouths of children and funneling it to Bechtal to set up concentration camps on Mars!
Of course he’s using NASA as cover with a story about going back to the Moon and “sending men to Mars”!
DON’T BE FOOLED!
Wear your foil headgear and fend off the mind control protons!
The Illuminati, in conjunction with The Elders of Zion and the GOP/Diebold are targeting Japan RIGHT NOW!
there’s a serious foil shortage overseas that’s not being reported by the right-whing media that makes them primary tagets to mind control proton attack!
WE MUST ACT NOW!!
October 5th, 2005 at 9:27 amOf course they knew…probably helped plan it. But considering how the courts are padded in favor of His Wimpy Chimpyness…do you think he will suffer any consequences, even if the Republican Party does suddenly develop a concern for the truth[which wont happen either]No George has insured his own safety.Thats why you only appoint your personal friends to the Supreme Court…it lets you get away with anything.
October 5th, 2005 at 12:01 pmKinda odd-
1) Conservatives rebel against the Shrubbery’s chick supreme court justice nominee
2) Senate defies the White House on torture with what- 11 dissenters- in the face of a veto threat from the Shrubbery.
3) Rumors everywhere that there will be 22 indictments issued thursday in the Plame case.
Are goopers jumpin off a sinkin ship or has God just parted the red sea?
October 6th, 2005 at 2:10 amIt’s not odd, it’s REALITY
1) The zionist neo-cons are only PRETENDING to rebel against President Chimpy’s nominee! She’s a gun-totin’ bible thumper ready to throw “troublesome” dissenters like ourselves into a concentration camp that’ll make Abu Graib look like Romper Room! You’ll see!
2) The Senate is too powerless and spineless to stop Chimpy’s storm troopers from using Halliburton electrified Testicle Crushers on freedom loving liberals and the little brown people! This “anti-torture” bill is just cover for Senate ineptitude! The Chimpaholic will only laugh and veto that foward thinking document before using it as toilet paper.
3)There may be indictments in the Plame case, but it’ll be against the WRONG PEOPLE! Karl Rove and Scooter Libby will “get a pass” and be free to wreak vengence and havoc against the Democrat Party.
The “goopers” aren’t “jumpin off a sinkin ship”! They’ve merely switched to a nuclear submarine and using the stealth approach as they move in to torpedo The Good Ship “Liberty and Justice For All”!
Don’t drop your guard! The tentacles of Zionist disinformation reach EVERYWHERE!
Even here…….
October 6th, 2005 at 2:52 amAnd, all we have is this lousy little involvement from the mainstream press!
Any White House reporter with half a brain would have be asking the president, and a long time ago too, whether he knew of any “before the fact” discussions concerning dislosure of Plame’s identity.
Why does the White House press corps seem to be mainly filled with pliant morons?
October 6th, 2005 at 2:52 pmIs Rove trying to cut a Deal for Bush, Himself or Both?
Either way, if I were Old Scooter Libby, I would get some Kevlar Boxer Shorts, cause Rove is out to make (Libby) a Prison Beeeaaatttch!
WASHINGTON – Federal prosecutors have accepted an offer from presidential adviser Karl Rove to give 11th-hour testimony in the case of a CIA officer’s leaked identity and have warned they cannot guarantee he won’t be indicted, according to people directly familiar with the investigation.
The people, who spoke only on condition of anonymity because of grand jury secrecy, said Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald has not made any decision yet on whether to file criminal charges against the longtime confidant of President Bush or anyone else.
The U.S. attorney’s manual requires that prosecutors not bring witnesses before a grand jury if there is a possibility of future criminal charges unless the witnesses are notified in advance that their testimony can be used against them in a later indictment.
Rove has already made at least three grand jury appearances and his return at this late stage in the investigation is unusual.
Rest of Story
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/12835190.htm
October 6th, 2005 at 4:54 pmhttp://www.freewebs.com/govwebsites
October 6th, 2005 at 5:18 pmWhat is the problem here? No one here seems very patriotic. There’s too much criticism of our president. Is this a genetic defect or environmental?
October 6th, 2005 at 7:24 pmOh happy days, could the end be nigh?
Don’t break out the champagne yet, but there are signs that indictments could be handed down against senior White House officials within the next few days as the CIA leak investigation winds down. According to the Washington Post, special prosecutor …
October 6th, 2005 at 10:02 pmBush and Cheney Indicted
Date: Monday, September 27
Topic: 9-11 Court Cases
http://tomflocco.com/
A Chicago grand jury has indicted the President and Vice-President of the United States along with multiple high officials in the Bush administration
BUSH AND CHENEY INDICTED
by Tom Flocco
Chicago — August 2, 2005 — TomFlocco.com — U.S. federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald’s Chicago grand jury has voted perjury and obstruction of justice indictments to the following members of the Bush Administration: President George W. Bush, Vice-President Richard Cheney, Bush Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Cheney Chief of Staff I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, imprisoned New York Times reporter Judith Miller and former Senior Cheney advisor Mary Matalin.
There were no indications given as to whether the President and his top staff members would appear publicly before cameras at the grand jury proceedings, given the gravity of the charges.
Besides the Valerie Plame CIA leak case, the Fitzgerald probe is reportedly far-reaching and expanding much deeper into past White House criminal acts involving Bush-Clinton drug money laundering in Mena, Arkansas to White House involvement in 9.11; but also for sending America’s young people to their deaths or to be maimed in Iraq and Afghanistan under false pretenses.
British Prime Minister Tony Blair was indicted for obstruction of justice and is reportedly consulting with members of Parliament and legal aides regarding how to avoid appearing in the U.S.A. for interrogation before Fitzgerald in Chicago.
The revelations emanated from sources close to the grand jury who spoke with federal whistleblower Thomas Heneghan in California who said White House Senior Advisor to the President Karl Rove was also indicted for perjury and was reportedly involved with Mary Matalin in a major Bush administration document shredding operation to cover-up evidence.
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Heneghan had reported over ten days ago on a TruthRadio.com broadcast [Every Monday and Tuesday evening from 8-9 pm EST--www.truthradio.com- special briefing on Wednesday evening August 3 at 8 pm EST]] that his sources close to the grand jury said formerSecretary of State Colin Powell had been subpoenaed and had testified against President Bush, telling the citizen panel that the President had taken the United States to war based upon lies–a capital crime involving treason under the United States Code.
Heneghan also reported a week ago that Gonzalez and Card had been subpoened and that Tony Blair had defied his subpoena after the response time limit had expired.
Sources close to the investigation report that members of the House, Senate, 9.11 Commission and other members of the media are also under investigation as potential targets by a grand jury regarding obstruction of justice and other oversight failures linked to the 9.11 attacks–indicating that citizen panelists working with Fitzgerald may be seeking a wholesale cleansing of what many have said is a crime-wracked White House and Congress.
Also last Monday, the whistleblower reported that Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts was planning to obstruct justice by calling Fitzgerald for Senate hearings to question the prosecutor’s motives for the far-reaching investigation.
This, giving rise to questions as to whether Roberts and other Republican legislators–some now under secret investigation–would join President Bush in seeking to fire Fitzgerald in the same manner that President Nixon had fired Watergate Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox in order to obstruct justice and cut off further investigations into White House crimes.
Two weeks ago Heneghan said he had talked to sources just ten minutes prior to French and U.S. intelligence agents intercepting British intelligence agents who were attempting to bomb the subway underneath the Dirksen Federal Building where Fitzgerald was presiding over grand jury hearings.
Serious questions can also be raised as to whether intelligence forces linked to President Bush and Tony Blair had participated in a failed attempt to scuttle the Fitzgerald probe by literally blowing it up–at a time when UK reports reveal that military-grade explosives were used to blow upthe London subway on July 7.
Sources say the alleged Chicago subway bombing attempt has been attributed to an underground and closeted enmity involving warring intelligence and military factions within the United States government.
Moreover, reports indicate that the disturbance occurred at the same time that the Chicago Tribune and local web blogs had reported that the subway had been evacuated for 45-50 minutes regarding a “suspicious package” late on Monday afternoon, July 18.
Also confirming the under-the-radar-screen hostilities involving agents loyal to the administration and others who are disturbed about the cover-up of government involvement in the 9.11 attacks was a recent contact made with this writer by a major New York media outlet which called seeking “names of those who could confirm its own reports of warring factions within the government which were threatening the safety of U.S. citizens.”
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October 9th, 2005 at 9:17 pmHow Long Can This Go On?
By Paul Craig Roberts
Creators Syndicate
10-11-5
George W. Bush is a natural born liar. He lied us into a war, and now he is lying to keep us there. In his Oct. 6 self-congratulatory speech at that neoconservative shrine the National Endowment for Democracy, the president of the United States said: “Today there are more than 80 Iraqi army battalions fighting the insurgency alongside our forces.”
Eighty Iraqi battalions makes it sound like the U.S. is just lending Iraq a helping hand. I wonder what Congress and the U.S. commanders in Iraq thought when they heard there were 80 Iraqi battalions that American troops are helping to fight insurgents? Just a few days prior to Bush’s speech, Generals Casey and Abizaid told Congress that, as a matter of fact, there was only one Iraqi battalion able to undertake operations against insurgents.
I wonder, also, who noticed the great contradiction in Bush’s speech. On the one hand, he claims steady progress toward freedom and democracy in Iraq. On the other hand, he seeks the American public’s support for open-ended war.
In her Princeton speech, Condi Rice made it clear that Iraq is just the beginning: “We have set out to help the people of the Middle East transform their societies. Now is not the time to falter or fade.”
On Oct. 5, Vice President Cheney let us know how long this commitment was to last: “Like other great duties in history, it will require decades of patient effort.”
Who’s going to pay for these decades of war to which the Bush administration is committing Americans? Already the U.S. is spending $7 billion a month on war in Iraq alone. The nonpartisan Congressional Research Service says that if the Iraq war goes on another five years, it will cost at least $570 billion by 2010.
Bush’s war has already doubled the price of gasoline and home heating.
With U.S. forces bogged down in Afghanistan (invaded Oct. 7, 2001) and Iraq (invaded March 20, 2003), Bush is plotting regime change in Syria and conspiring to set up Iran for attack.
Is there a single person in the Office of Management and Budget, the U.S. Treasury, the Congressional Budget Office, or the Federal Reserve who thinks the U.S., already drowning in red ink, has the resources to fight wars for decades?
And where will the troops come from? The U.S. cannot replace the losses in Iraq. We know about the 2,000 American troops killed, but we do not hear about the large number of wounded. UPI correspondent Martin Sieff reported on Oct. 7 that U.S. wounded jumped from 16.3 per day at the end of September to 28.5 per day at the beginning of October. Multiply that daily rate by 30 days and you get 855 wounded per month. Approximately half of these are wounded too seriously to return to combat.
Has anyone in the administration pointed out to Bush, Cheney, and Condi Rice what decades of casualties at these rates mean?
Insurgents are killing Iraqi security personnel who are collaborating with the U.S. occupation at the rate of two or three hundred per month. The wounded numbers are much higher.
Last month, suicide bombers killed 481 Iraqis and wounded 1,074.
Has anyone in the administration put these numbers in a decades-long context?
Apparently not. Once these numbers are put on paper, not even Bush administration speech writers can continue to pen rhetorical justifications for war and more war.
The neoconservative Bush administration prides itself on not being “reality-based.” Facts get in the way of the administration’s illusions and delusions. Bush’s “80 Iraqi battalions” are like Hitler’s secret weapons. They don’t exist.
Iraqis cannot afford to collaborate with the hated Americans or with the puppet government that the U.S. has put in place. Out of desperation, some do, but their heart is not in it. Few Iraqis are willing to die fighting for the United States and Likud Israel.
When the 2nd Iraq Battalion graduated from U.S. training camp on Jan. 6, 2004, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld and U.S. commander in Iraq Gen. Ricardo Sanchez expressed “high expectations” that Iraqi troops, in the general’s words, “would help us bring security and stability back to the country.”
Three months later when the 2nd Battalion was brought up to support the U.S. invasion of Fallujah, the battalion refused to fight and returned to its post. “We did not sign up to fight Iraqis,” said the troops.
Readers write in frustration: “Tell us what we can do.” On the surface, it doesn’t look like Bush can be stopped from trashing our country.
The congressional mid-term elections are a year away. Moreover, the Democrats have failed as an opposition party and are compromised by their support for the war. Bush has three more years in which to mire America in a wider war. If Bush succeeds in starting wars throughout the Middle East, his successor will be stuck with them.
Congressional Democrats and Republicans alike have made it clear that they are going to ignore demonstrations and public opinion. The print and TV media have made it clear that there will be no reporting that will hold the Bush administration accountable for its deceit and delusion.
There still is a way to bring reality to the Bush administration. The public has the Internet. Is the antiwar movement well enough organized to collect via the Internet signatures on petitions for impeachment, perhaps one petition for each state? Millions of signatures would embarrass Bush before the world and embarrass our elected representatives for their failure to act.
If no one in Congress acted on the petitions, all the rhetoric about war for democracy would fall flat. It would be obvious that there is no democracy in America.
If the cloak of democracy is stripped away, Bush’s “wars for democracy” begin to look like the foreign adventures of a megalomaniac. Remove Bush’s rhetorical cover, and tolerance at home and abroad for Bush’s war would evaporate. If Bush persisted, he would become a pariah.
Americans may feel that they cannot undercut a president at war, in which case Americans will become an embattled people consumed by decades of conflict. Americans can boot out Bush or pay dearly in blood and money.
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Of course Bush and Cheney ordered the outing of valerie.Rove and Libby did not do this on theeeir own….Usually they get away with whatever they want to do, but this is unacceptable..outing americans because they dare to tell the truth.Everyone she worked with was outed..They will blame lydie england for this too, I know in the white house we have very few honest men but I think we have one in Fitzgereald..I hope ..I hope he doesnt make deals with them..
October 14th, 2005 at 4:54 pmYou guys don’t get yourselves to worked up over this. This administration will surely put up a tough fight; but hopefully we’ll have a repeat of the crumbling Nixon Administration.
October 15th, 2005 at 1:14 amOne thing we must keep in mind , is the fact that George W Bush is rertarded …And likely drunk …
October 15th, 2005 at 9:10 pmSo , i look for Bush to plead insanity…
And Cheney is going to have health problems sooner rather than later…
[...] The story tends to corroborate, at least as it pertains to Cheney, what George Stephanopoulos said a couple of weeks ago. [...]
October 17th, 2005 at 6:48 am510 comments! Wow! We really want concrete evidence that Cheney is going down dont we?
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October 17th, 2005 at 12:50 pmNow its come out that Bush knew about Roves involvement two years ago!
This brings the George S. comments to a sharper focus.
October 19th, 2005 at 9:49 amFitzmas is just around the corner!
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November 26th, 2005 at 10:42 pmDid I hear someone saying President Hastert?
Well, it’s obvious now that Bush and Cheney will likely follow the footsteps of another crooked Republican named Nixon.
November 28th, 2005 at 1:50 am[...] The ultimate bombshell dropped on Friday as Judith Miller was released from prison and her source, Scooter Libby, agreed to allow her to reveal her source in the ongoing investigation into the leaking of a CIA agent’s identity. While Libby was already under suspicion, and wing-man Karl Rove has also been tied in to the affair, it is believed that Bush and Cheney may have been involved in discussions revolving around the leak. While it’s unlikely that Bush or Cheney will be caught red-handed and we may not ever see a clear picture of the entire affair, it is safe to say that the impending results of Fitzgerald’s investigation will surely dry up Bush’s political bank account. If any one member of the administration faces indictment, it will reflect once again on Bush. The public will call into question the people he has surrounded himself with, and as a result will question his own character. With Americans’ trust in Mr. Bush already slipping away, it’s also safe to say that they’ll have a hard time swallowing the fact that Bush wouldn’t know about the dirty deeds of staffers who work so closely with him and who have been known to keep on-message so well. But, even if they did swallow it, Americans may start to second guess the tightness of Bush’s ship. [...]
November 30th, 2005 at 8:13 pmI am so ashamed that I wasted my vote on george war bush. What was I thinking? Why did I let my right wing extremist, neo-conservative, neo-evangelical thinking get in the way of exercising sound personal judgment? Growing up, I was led to believe that the republican party was a grass roots party of the people & for the people. In retrospect, it is clear that the last 3 presidents produced by the republican party were nothing more then the rich man’s rich man hiding under the disguise of the overly misused term, “conservativeâ€. The economic dark ages of reagonomics fleeced the middle and lower classes of this county simply to benefit the rich and wealthy. George warmonger bush has quietly shifted this country back to those economic dark ages. Bush inherited a strong economy and squandered that real quick. And even though 9 -11 did happen, none of bush’s reckless decisions are in any way justified by that day in history. It is clear that he never had any real salient foreign & domestic policies when he became president in 2000. Now we have 4 more years of neoconservative republican lies and a growing body count overseas. When are people going to wake up to the truth that neoconservative political philosophy does not work for anyone but the rich and wealthy at the top? When are people in the USA going to wake up to the fact that neoconservative republican political philosophy does not even cross paths with reality?
Anyone who believes george war bush’s lies about promoting democracy in these middle eastern Islamic states is living in serious denial of reality. Those who believe bush’s lies are simply easy pickins and victims of logical fallacies. Historians and political scholars realize that to impose such changes on another country takes decades and that is only if it seriously adopted. Also, the very definition of democracy is not something that the United States has any claim of ownership. Even some communist states think that what they have is democracy. If we ever actually do get out of Iraq, nothing will have changed and nothing will have been gained. The American people have never been given a specific objective in Iraq or a clear definition of exactly what victory in Iraq is from the president. Invading Iraq never had anything to do with, WMD, freeing the Iraqi people or making Americans safer and secure. Statements about WMD, Freeing Iraq or Making America Safer are nothing more then a marketing spin used to hide the ugly truth and make the lies palatable to the American public and justifiable to the red necks who voted for him. Bush likes to make statements such as “It’s worth the price†but he never says just what exactly “it†is. If he really believes that, then he should put his money where his mouth is and send his little party animals to go fight in Iraq. The republican party claims to be for smaller less wasteful government but the current administration is responsible for the waste of more money, resources and human lives then any past democrat presidency. I have a hard time sleeping at night knowing that the blood of Americans and innocent civilians is on my hands and the hands of those who voted for george warmonger bush. The real legacy of the bush cabinet is going to be one characterized by lots of wrongful deaths, lots of money and resources wasted, unnecessary tax increases for our children and grandchildren and the unnecessary destruction of various social programs that good decent people count on.
If being conservative means fleecing this nation, getting our people killed for the control of oil, murdering innocent people, shifting the direction of our economy back to the dark un-prosperous days of reaganomics and destroying the middle and lower classes of this country to benefit the rich & elite, then a lot of people need to re-evaluate what they think they are when they say that they are conservative. Why? Because that is exactly what has been happening to this country over the last 5 years thanks to those who claim to be conservative or neo-conservative. These are the same people who fear truth or facts about what’s really going on in our government. Anytime someone exposes the lies of the bush cabinet, these so called conservatives have a pattern of accusing people of believing liberal lies. It’s pretty bad when truth is crying out to be heard and it is continually reduced to being liberal lies by those who claim to be conservative or even Christian. Those of you who support bush should all be ashamed. The following is not a pro Clinton or pro Democrat statement but simply a statement of fact and those who ignore this are hypocrites. These so called conservatives and republicans raked Clinton over the coals for his indiscretion with an intern. However, the very same people condone the murder of our citizens and Iraqi civilians, blatant lies from bush and his cabinet and a presidency that is extremely fiscally unsound with the underlying goal of raiding the nation’s treasury to benefit the rich and wealthy. The facts are all on the surface and bush supporters seem to enjoy having that knife further twisted in their backs by bush and his administration. Man…Nixon got impeached for offences far less then that.
Thanks to bush and his power hungry cabinet who all want to control congress, the senate & the supreme court, the USA is now a third world country with a disappearing middle class. Neoconservative agenda is to make the USA just like Mexico with the top 2% all rich and the rest of us poor. Now that I know that invading Iraq was all about oil and nothing more, all the senseless deaths of Americans and Iraqi civilians takes on a whole new meaning. It would appear that even the constitution means nothing to bush and his cronies. It has been reduced to something to be twisted and manipulated by neoconservative agenda to make the rich richer and screw over the rest of us. Now that the USA owes all these hundreds of millions of dollars to countries like China, Germany, Russia & Japan, I wonder which language I need to learn for the day when these countries come to collect…
December 6th, 2005 at 2:49 pmIts kinda funny these attacks are on civilians wonder why that is ,i mean terriost arent concerned about thier own safty yet they never go after those giving the commands weird. i know the spin on this is they want to cause misery on americans an their freedoms but lets get real.
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SOG says that NSA also has a “7-10 second lead time†which effectively affords the agency the opportunity to delay the release of currency, stock and bond sales transactions which permits a criminal advantage to agency officials and other high-level associates who game the system of the world’s financial markets.
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April 6th, 2006 at 2:10 pmBush Sr., as V. Pres. under Pres. Reagan, did arm & train Saddam Hussein, then as Pres., he sent us into the Middle East. Clinton, whom had every opportunity to send us into war, as we had retaliation, attempts on our well being, he fail to protect us, as he was thinking with his head under his desk. Clinton blatantly lied about his affair with Lewinski, with no noted reprecussions for his deceitfulness. Bush Jr. in office with C. Rice, D. Cheney, whom have been with his father’s and the Clinton Administration, are helping Bush Sr., run this administration, as this President is his father’s pawn to keep us in the Middle East for the protection of their investments. Yes, we’ve had leaks for decades, as we know from Paul Revere and President Nixon’s fall, being caught up in Watergate, from the Eisenhower, Kennedy & Johnson era. Then why is it a double standard these days that the CIA leak gets the person fired, yet, when it’s ordered by the President to leak information, this Administration isn’t IMPEACHED?
April 23rd, 2006 at 8:51 amWho’s protecting the American people, their security and freedoms. Seems this administration has proven to be a dictatorship.
So, given the developments of this week, do you believe Richard Armitage should be prosecuted for treason?
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August 30th, 2006 at 7:56 pm[...] Bush also told federal prosecutors during his June 24, 2004, interview in the Oval Office that he had directed Cheney, as part of that broader effort, to disclose highly classified intelligence information that would not only defend his administration but also discredit Wilson, the sources said. See also here. Comments » [...]
October 15th, 2006 at 3:39 pmI heard the cops found several stolen prize cows on Ashley’s farm. Sounds like a making of the movie of the week.
October 27th, 2006 at 6:15 pmPNAC…PNAC…PNAC. I can’t say it enough times yet somehow the amazing series of what you would have to believe are otherwise just coincidences, is the perfect template for everything, everyone, every move this administration has made..failures and all.
In 97, Cheney, Bolton, Armitage, Rumsfeld, Libby, Perle, Wolfowitz and many, many more who are signed PNAC, documents signed with names that could substitute for the Secret Service’s roll-call on any given day since 2000. Other PNACers were posted out to critical positions, (i.e. Bolton to the UN, Wolfowitz to the World Bank). These men, with many many more still unmentioned, all signed a document stating that a peace dividend will endanger Americas interests if paid out, and that winning the Cold War is an opportunity to establish American global supremacy. Still in 98, the neocons were urging Clinton to embark on a policy with that goal in mind. They said to Clinton and Gingrich both that it necessary to remove Saddam Hussein. Clinton was given WMD horror stories, with Gingrich getting the “Fly United” message, whereas the 1997 “Statement Of Principles” tells the real story; that a “forward military base” should be built in Iraq.
This was to be one of several wars “needed to fight and win on at least two fronts” as a demonstration to the world that America was capable “and willing” to use preemptive war, nuclear weapons or whatever it took to maintain its supremacy throughout the new “American Century” (PNAC stands for Project For A New American Century).
Since preemptive War was a war-crime, they decided to urge anyone of a nature to listen to their grandiose delusions, that the US should leave international agreements; binding law or doctrine will no longer apply to the new “Pax Americana” course they felt the US should follow. Thus the incredible appointment of Bolton to the UN. Lose ten floors or tie it up in knots, the goal of obstruction and/or interference PERIOD was the fate that awaited all Pre-9/11 doctrines. The Geneva Conventions and World Courts at the Hague no longer had any authority over the New Rome. They instituted torture and preemptive war to show their fearlessness. All of it precisely as PNAC cosigners wanted and asked for, long before their perfect idiot showed up in the form of GWBush.
Because their “Pax Americana” was so radical an idea, they stated that “barring some catalysing event like another Pearl Harbor”, the voters would need to be convinced of the viability of PNAC over many years.
Yet Bush Jr., a man whose pathologies run deep and firm, took the Napoleonic dreams of PNAC wingnuts, and without any question hired his staff as though he were reading names from the bottom of a PNAC statement. This is where the news media falls so flat, so badly that I must think it either in collusion, or playing along with a government that it knows is more of a threat to itself as a pillar of democracy than any jihadi with a satchel of anthrax.
That Bush adopted a plan that would see fruition in decades, not a few years, seems rather unlikely and uncharacteristic of GW Bush. Initially, according to the PNACs own document “Rebuilding America’s Defences”(2000), was a plan that would take “decades” to implement…”absent some catastrophic or catalyzing event like another Pearl Harbor”. The “catalyzing event” of 9/11 does just that of course, although I don’t personally believe they knew the extent of damage OBL’s attack would actually have, but there is plenty to suggest they may have deliberately been “asleep at the wheel”. There’s plenty to indicate that the “War On Terror” is being deliberately used by the PNAC to reach its goals.
When Rummy took Baghdad, he guarded nothing but the Ministry Of Oil leaving weapons and high-explosives, dirty-bomb materials, etc. free for the taking all over Iraq. How, when the stated goal was the prevention of terrorist attacks on America in the first place? That makes no sense whatsoever…except one. Leaving the Iraqi Army munitions depots unguarded was a way to arm terrorists, thereby ensuring that the threat of future attacks could reasonably be used as the pretext for the future military actions yet to come..as they are spelt out clearly in PNAC, as first Iraq as the place for a “Forward Base” then on to the two front war with a preemptive attack on Iran with nukes used on N. Korea. the final piece of the Pax Americana plan as it is told in perfect detail in the original PNAC and it’s less radical successor “Rebuilding America’s Defences” in 2000, still long before 9/11 or the attempt to link Hussein to OBL. Again, the documents signers is a virtual who’s who of the administration’s inner circle.
So now we are in a long protracted war in Iraq that Bush mysteriously doesn’t want to get out of, despite the clear damage it is doing to his reputation, to American economy, to US world standing, etc.
But again, if we take PNAC at their word, they never intended to leave Iraq anyhow. The “Green Zone” is in fact the site of the PNAC’s first “forward base’. Just one of several to come. Camp Cropper is such a conundrum with the news media who are apparently puzzled at why the US would need such huge facilities and massive buildings in a country they are going to abandon anyhow. More BS swallowed whole. They are staying true to the PNAC basics wherein they have no intention of ever leaving…this century at least anyhow.
All of which brings up a very serious question. What happens to PNAC when the Dem’s take over? I dont know about the rest of you, but any group capable of ripping up the Constitution, Shredding the Bill Of Rights, institutional torture while denying habeas corpus to anyone Bush deems unworthy, be they an American citizen or not, is a regime that I don’t have any trouble imagining could stage an excuse for enacting martial law, one where elections of the President are being held off until such time as “national security” concerns are dealt with. What those concerns might be will also be of such sensitive a nature that evidence of the need to withhold elections is also something that only they can know decide.
Stand back, read PNAC, read what has happened throughout this administration that doesn’t make sense, because suddenly PNAC delusions of grandeur, prompted by Cheney’s earlier excuses to keep the military spending flowing into his pockets, and it all makes sense of everything. Why are they so unconcerned about war crimes they surely know they have committed? Because they don’t plan to ever be in a situation where someone can hold them accountable. Look at Armitage coming to the rescue of the inner circle when Wilson tried to upset their plans. Why did the media treat Armitage as an outsider, never mentioning that he is a cosigner of the neocon PNAC document. It appears that the frightening answer may be that the corporate media is playing along with them for some reason I am not certain enough to speculate on.
It’s that simple and that obvious.
Just a few of the names from PNAC:
Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush
Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky
Steve Forbes Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney
Fred C. Ikle Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby
Norman Podhoretz Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman
Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber
George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz
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