The public defense of both Karl Rove and Scooter Libby in the CIA leak scandal have focused on the specific claim they didn’t know Valerie Plame’s name. Even if that’s true, it doesn’t mean anyone is off the hook.
If Patrick Fitzgerald is unable to prove a violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, Rove, Libby and others could still be charged with perjury if they lied to investigators. Today’s Washington Post floats another possibility:
But a new theory about Fitzgerald’s aim has emerged in recent weeks from two lawyers who have had extensive conversations with the prosecutor while representing witnesses in the case. They surmise that Fitzgerald is considering whether he can bring charges of a criminal conspiracy perpetrated by a group of senior Bush administration officials. Under this legal tactic, Fitzgerald would attempt to establish that at least two or more officials agreed to take affirmative steps to discredit and retaliate against Wilson and leak sensitive government information about his wife. To prove a criminal conspiracy, the actions need not have been criminal, but conspirators must have had a criminal purpose.
The White House Iraq Group could be in trouble.
Looks like the walls are closing in on these guys. Finally.
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:00 amI wish it would fall on them, but in this country now, where we are presented with was irregulatarity after another and actions against the law, I very much dought it will amount to much. Stalin Bush and his spin machine has created an atmosphere where they literally are getting away with murder.
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:13 amWhen you have a lazy, incompetent criminal like Bush (longest rap sheet of any president in history) at the top, the tone is set for criminality right down the line.
Of course, if the mainstream media had been doing their job and actually investigated and reported on this reptile’s despicable personal history, we wouldn’t be suffering through the things these criminals have wrought on this country.
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:29 amWith or without charges in this case the reality is this government’s legacy will be one of bad foriegn and domestic policy. The Bush government is clearly out of control.
Just WAIT for the slowest Christmas sales in our history. THEN heads will roll! Our family already made a “gifts for the children only” pact. We’re not alone!
What a joke!
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:42 amThat’s right, I’ll say it again. Americans don’t care about Plame! Who’s Plame? Who’s Brown? What’s a “Chertoff”?
What?!?!?!?
I don’t have CHRISTMAS MONEY?!?! Gas is HOW MUCH?!?!?!?
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:45 amI say burn the bass**rds …..I am so sick of MSM giving bushco a get out of anything free pass……
The spin has started on this Plame stuff its getting watered down and the question is WHY? Fitz’s boss was appointed by bush a short time ago lets not forget that…….
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:54 amIf Rove and Libby are charged with criminal conspiracy, tried and convicted, then what? George Bush will pardon them, that’s what.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:04 amWe have seen “conspiracy” coming for months now. Cover-ups are always conspiracies. This rotten, criminal administration has a habit of trying to destroy whistle-blowers or anyone who tries to tell the truth about them and their insane policies.
This time, the cover-up is all about this nation being lied into an un-winnable, criminal and unjust war; a war of aggression. Is that not one of the charges against Saddam? We might even say that it is the mother of all war crimes; the one from which all of the other war crimes flow.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:05 amI don’t think the name thing matters. The law says “identity” and Joe Wilson only had one wife.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:14 amDubya won’t let Karl Rove go down. He’ll make sure he gets a plea in exchange for bringing in Libby and Bolton. They’ll do maybe a couple of months then get golden handshakes and bigtime lobbying jobs on K Street. So even if they pay for their dirty tricks, they still win for playing them.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:18 amThey will lose…
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:26 amY’all still don’t get it. They don’t care what we say about them, they keep right on. They don’t care how many or who they kill, they keep right on. They don’t care if the walls are closing in, or the poll numbers are in the toilet, they will never stop until they are forcibly removed. Who will do that? Not the MSM. Not the Republican controlled Congress. Not the Republican controlled Supreme Court. Certainly not endless postings in liberal blogs.
Who will do it?
They have our number. They know that Americans will not rise up and risk their jobs, cars and mortgage payments to throw them out. We don’t have the stomach for it. That’s why we turn our heads away at every new indignity. Torture, what torture?
They will just keep doing whatever they want. It will be this way until the next revolution, and, as much as I wish I was wrong, I don’t see that happening any time soon. If we aren’t willing to do whatever it takes, if we aren’t willing to sacrifice everything to get rid of them, we might as well get used to it, because next time there will be even less of an election than this time. And they will just keep doing whatever they want.
Make no mistake, they like what they have. Their power will have to be pried from their cold, dead fingers to get it away from them.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:37 amMake no mistake, they like what they have. Their power will have to be pried from their cold, dead fingers to get it away from them.
Comment by roooth — October 2, 2005
That’s what Federal Law Enforcement officials will do. Deep Throat did it. It will happen, delicately, but it wil happen, it’s already happening.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:39 am…and they will lose…
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:43 amG. Gordon Liddy doesn’t seem to have suffered much, for being a felon. Nor Chuck Colson. Etc.
Bushco perps will be taken care of, and I don’t mean the way Clemenza had to slit his wrists for his family, either.
All of Bushco, indicted, imprisoned, or nothing, will be rich beyond Croesus, which is what Bush and Cheney already are.
The only hope, really, is for Republican power to take a back seat to Dems for a couple electoral spins.
After that? Well, after Watergate we still ended up with Iran-Contra. After I-C, we still got Bush and Iraq/Plame/FEMA/Halliburton/DeLay/Frist/Roberts/stolen elections/etc.
American memories are, to borrow Hobbes’ view of life: “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.”
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:44 amDo the folks who put the Bush regime in power deserve some of the blame for war crimes in Iraq?
How can someone be held accountable if they are eternally forgiven?
No Jesus, No Iraq
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:45 amKnow Jesus, Know Iraq
Could a pack of pre-emptive presidential pardons be possible? BEFORE they’re even convicted?
There is already a precedence.
You may recall when members of the CIA illegally traded arms for the crack cocaine that then saturated our West Coast neighborhoods and then somehow U.S. citizens who were being held as hostages in Iran got mixed up in that very clandestine and very, very illegal deal.
Unfortunately, you and I will likely never know the answer to who masterminded that one because Poppy Bush actually did order Executive Clemency for those whom Special prosecutor Walsh had just nailed. But did Bush Sr. have an act of compassion in his mind, or was he motivated by loyalty and self-preservation? And did this act harm the best interests of the citizens of this country?
Because wasn’t this an abrogation of Judiciary power by the Executive Branch? It is now obvious that a proper determination of the Weinberger Six’s fate by our court system could have stood as a very real deterrent to those now in the Executive cabinet who committed the very real and very dangerous crime of spotlight-the-agent.
Allowing former Defense Secretary Casper Weinberger and five others to skate away scot-free from their heinous actions likely did more harm than anyone ever thought possible at the time. Besides making it feasable for others higher up in that earlier Administration to avoid any threat of embarrassment or inconvenience that an indictment might have rendered, it also set a dangerous precedent and virtually guaranteed that there would be an escape plan for future White House Cabinet members as long as the President could be tied to the crime solely by the threat of their testimony.
All future Presidents could be virtually forced to shield his cabinet from prosecution. He would be required to protect himself from being tainted with the ever-standing threat of any- or- all being plea-bargained into (at the very least) tying him (or others in the Cabinet) with foreknowledge of virtually any crime.
The well-timed Presidential pardon is thus a program which provides Plausible Deniability Version 3.0 for the entire White House Iraq Group.
On Feb. 28, 2001, House of Representatives Judiciary Committee held hearings on the constitutional limits of the President with regards to the power of Executive Clemency. During those hearings, one member eloquently expressed his opinion that “Improperly exercised, the pardon is a travesty of justice—an act borne not of mercy, but of tyranny”
It is notable that besides pardoning his Secretary of Defense, Bush Sr. also ordered that the records produced as a result of the Iran Contra hearings be permanently sealed from public disclosure. Executive Order 12356 (also known as the “Weinberger Declaration”) classified that material as “Top Secret” due to the probability that the material within would cause “exceptionally grave damage” to our national security. Yet his pardons weren’t determined to pose a treasonous threat, because they were held to have only possibly protected him from prosecution.
It is also notable that he proclaimed that the “common denominator of their motivation — whether their actions were right or wrong — was patriotism.”
Yeah right, Poppy. Grand daddy Prescott Bush’s “special” brand of patriotism seems to run in the family.
October 2nd, 2005 at 10:48 amsee
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
“Do the folks who put the Bush regime in power deserve some of the blame for war crimes in Iraq?”
I think Wanda Sykes put it best: “You can’t blame a blind man for wrecking your car if you’re the one who gave him the keys.”
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:09 amWorse possible scenario to consider… martial law declared, suspend election in 2006 if corporate software/source code not fixed to ensure majority Republican in both Houses of Congress, otherwise martial law before election 2008 to maintain power by Bush/Cheney/Rove. Question what could trigger Bush to declare martial law? Hope I am wrong about this.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:10 amUum… we DIDN’T give them the keys. It was a carjack.
And, hate to say it, but roooth is bang on.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:31 amThe word REVOLUTION is on every ones mind . When FASCISM comes to America, it will be wrapped in the FLAG and carrying a CROSS.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:34 amThe 100 million dollar question is indeed – what will these mass-murdering maniacs do to prevent their loss of power and legitimacy (sic)? NOTHING ELSE MATTERS BUT THIS QUESTION – TO THEM, OR TO US! Will they nuke American cities? Declare martial law outright? Stage an attack on Israel by “Iran” then launch WWIII? These are dangerous times and like it or not, Fitzgerald may be pushing their hand. In other times Americans would rise up and stop these bastards. What kind of people are we that we let these monsters get away with bloody murder in all areas of our lives and just take it and take it and take it??
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:42 amThey will just be pardoned .To many people blieve in them still even with the soilders dieing every day .When and where is it going to end.
October 2nd, 2005 at 11:52 amroooth – excellent little summary. Americans are too ’scared’ to lose thier TV, their CAR, fall behind in a mortgage payment, to get off their lazy asses and march to Washington and demand justice. So, we really should just shut the hell up and let these facist start WWIII. History clearly demonstrates that to get rid of a facist gov’t takes an extreme event, such as a War; and until then, hold on for the ride. In the meantime we continue to destroy our children’s future, the planet, etc.. History will not be kind to our generation.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:05 pm[...] And now, rumors of the Plame investigation expanding in scope? Bad week for the Bush administration. [...]
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:13 pmRooth – sad to say – presents a credible and realistic picture.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:17 pmBush and Cheney were not under oath, so perjury will not apply to them. Conspiracy is an exciting possibility to think about, but I won’t hold my breath waiting for it to happen.
Were it to happen, we would all certainly be better off.
these “people” all need burned at the stake for their crimes against humanity.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:22 pmPlunger,
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:29 pmGreat post in #22.
The important thing to remember re: election 2008 is that the votes will NOT be counted as things stand now. Touch-screen vote-stealing machines have been proliferated throughout America by rabid Republican-owned corporations that have been proven to be designed for untraceable vote theft. Worse than that, the central tabulator machines — those that add up the local numbers for county-wide totals — have also been outed as being designed for untraceable count manipulation (by a “deep-throat” management insider, among others http://www.ecotalk.org/VotingSecurity.htm ).
Read about this in your local or regional newspaper yet?
See it on the corporate media whore networks yet?
There is only one answer: PAPER BALLOTS, HAND COUNTED.
I do NOT apologize for shouting. Please understand this issue in full. Go to http://www.blackboxvoting.org and http://www.ecotalk.org/VotingSecurity.htm#Educate&Agitate to get the particulars on what’s what, and what you can do.
The next time you hear a converted Republican tell you that he’s so mad that he’ll “vote them (the Repugs) out,” tell him just as fast “no you won’t,” and tell him why. I remember many *sshole Repubs telling me that election theft was a sore loser tinhat story — when election theft went their way. Now that it’s their vote being stolen, they are vulnerable to waking up. Give it a try.
Good luck.
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:34 pmRe: IMPEACHMENT:
One word — 2006 Congressional elections (ok, that’s 3)
Heretofore, everyone’s been parroting the line that there’s no way Dems can retake the House and Senate in 2006.
But why is that?
Sheer lack of will, inaction, and ineffectiveness on the part of Dem and DLC leadership?
At this point, Bush’s pathetic poll numbers have finally kicked in for a good little while.
Leaving aside the Diebold issue… what would it take for Dems to retake Congress in 2006 — thus enabling impeachment?
Is there anyone actually looking at potential strategies?
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:40 pmPlunger, #22, good post. Your point about Republican sympathizers only ………..
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:53 pm“lobbyists, law firms and trade associations that inhabit Washington’s K Street, heart of the industry, should only employ Republicans or sympathisers”
………was further corroborated on C. Matthews’s show this AM by Katty Kay.
These treasonous “leaders” know how to control the weather; i.e., make it more intense, or less intense, through scalar technology. They can pinpoint certain areas and make them uninhabitable; like the Ninth Ward in New Orleans. . . They have biological weapons; i.e., bird flu virus and no antidote for common people will be available except a flu shot, which has the inactive part of the virus in it. Subsequently, they will add the live part of the virus and everybody will succomb to it, except those who are eating a daily diet of fish, which includes all of the 72 trace elements necessary for immunity from all disease.
Already our lungs have been pre-conditioned to disease by the aerosol spraying our “leaders” have done in the environment. Their aim is to depopulate the world down to about 450-500 million people. They want the world for themselves. They don’t want any extra “eaters.”
Clinton put I.O.U.s in the Social Security Bank and made his figures “look good.” He essentially robbed the American people of their guaranteed retirement benefits. George continues to play an unabashed hand. They have made our elections a joke. Remember, it doesn’t matter who you vote for, it’s who does the counting of the votes that decides who wins.
Democrats and Republicans have sold out the American public. There will be no revolution. Americans have been brainwashed by mainstream media. The majority of them could never guess in a million years how absolutely evil our “leaders” are. Aside from that, our collective health has been copromised by the flouridation of our drinking water.
If there are any true patriots, our only hope is that they are among the military who could form a coup against these rotten bas#%^ds. Patrick Fitzgerald may be able to prove they were guilty of certain crimes, but these villains are so powerful that I doubt any true punishment will be meted out. They’ll buy their way out.
As far as martial law is concerned, yes, it is a possibility . . . The closer Fitzgerald gets to culminating his case. . .last I heard it was October 28, 2005, the more at risk we are.
With Blackwater USA (Israeli run)jackboots all over the place, who knows what will happen.
Pray real hard that God will change hearts and minds, perhaps some Repubs will turn on their own party’s leaders. . . .
One last bit of info I find interesting is that ex-President Jimmy Carter recently made a comment that Al Gore was the true winner of the 2000 election. Why now, should he be making such a comment? My guess is because there might be an element in the government which would overturn the stolen election of 2000, and instate Gore as the President.
Stay tuned for more. Boy, never thought I’d see such evil in my days. This must be what pre-war Germany felt like!
Remember, when they come for you, “Fight like hell.”
Your friend,
Carol
October 2nd, 2005 at 12:59 pmlOOK – if Americans are too weak to overturn their own criminal power elite – it is eventually going to come down to international (nuclear?!?) conflict.
Earth to America – “Home of the Brave” should mean something. Please!
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:03 pm18 U.S.C. § 1905: “Whoever, being an officer or employee of the United States … divulges, discloses, or makes known in any manner or to any extent not authorized by law any information coming to him in the course of his employment or official duties … which information concerns or relates … to the identity … of any person … shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and shall be removed from office or employment.”
October 2nd, 2005 at 1:40 pmCarol #35 I never thought I would see so much evil either…..Blessings
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:37 pmPeople are right to be scared. What possible pretext do you think could justify the pre-emptive use of nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear state (Iran). Well, that’s what your government has in store for us in the near future if it is not stopped now.
This grand jury case is our last chance to save civilization from hell.
That’s the good news. The bad news is that the global financial system is undergoing a rapid hyperinflation. We have a few months before it collapses completely.
This can be controlled. But only if the congress acts to put a cap on the oil price and deals with the strategic bankruptcy of the Federal Reserve system as a whole. This will never happen with Bush-Cheney occupying and gumming up the executive branch.
So, it’s Fitzgeralds job to literally save the world.
October 2nd, 2005 at 2:54 pmDare we to dream that Bush, and thugs will be brought
to justice, and this nightmare is near ending?
All who died, and were maimed by Bush’s adminstration,
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:09 pmeither by a senseless war, death by drowning,or neglect of warnings,so we also had the WTC tragedy.
Justice must be served, for them.
The stealing of our presidency,twice, if they were not stolen, would all these deaths, and misery of human lives, have happened? My opinion is, NO!
Ahem, the end is nigh!! Personally, I would prefer the world without a god. That would be a new start. The notion that bunnypants always finishes his speeches with “god bless America” is repugnant. If there was one it should say “god bless everyone!” That god of yours has done nothing for you…except throwing Bush in your midst. Enjoy!
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:14 pmI smell unindicted co-conspirators for Bush and Cheney to give them an out. The best part about this is that if a bunch of Bushtards cronies are frog marched out of the white house (fat chance) that would make this dram shoot right to the top of the news cycle for the next year and just like Clinton Bush will be tied up with layers and defending his sorry butt instead of screwing up the country but most imoportant it will really give us a chance to get either the house or the Senate and then watch the fireworks flare if the Dems can start holding hearings on Iraq and Haliburton etc etc etc. Delay will be glad he’s in jail by then. One can hope any way.
October 2nd, 2005 at 4:18 pmI wonder if the military might not be facilitating this recent drama for the Idiot in Chief. You can bet they would lovve to get their asses out o Iraq ASAP and with the Bushtards gone it might be very easy to roll over Fat boy Hastert who will be the next Gerald Ford because if Bushtard is thrown out along with cheney you can be sure the Dems will win big in 2006 and hopfully take the whole thing back and get some serious work started that leads these criminal straight to the Hague!
October 2nd, 2005 at 4:22 pmWe need the Joint Chiefs on our side, then we de-coup de stat. We frog-marched the top forty to the Hague, the rest to penetentiary. We suspend all cable news, we establish one People’s network. We keep our constitution, our bill of rights. We make things right.
October 2nd, 2005 at 4:25 pmNow that the judicial branch(less than) supreme court (with a less than supreme justice) has been fully loaded with party loyalists; and the legislative branch, republiCONgress appears to lack an ethically based majority and is also loaded with power-party loyalists; and of course, the executive branch has granted itself dictitorial powers….. Can anyone explain how this REPUBLIC CAN still BE, or can claim to be a DEMOCRATIC deMOCKracy when at least 50% or more of the population are fully without voice?
October 2nd, 2005 at 5:33 pmOf the people; by the people; for the people appears to have meant….. until you can usurp the people!
Yes. And we abolish god! There ain’t no place for him in politics!
October 2nd, 2005 at 5:41 pmRegardless of the Plame affair, Bush will hold on to power, and Cheney too.
They will find an excuse to declare martial law prior to the November 2006 elections.
If Fitzgerald could find it in himself to name Bush and Cheney unindicted co-conpirators, this would only has things a bit.
October 2nd, 2005 at 7:50 pmJail the whole freakin lot of nazi scum
That’s what they are
Nazis
Bush, Cheney, RUmsfeld, Rice, Bennett
this will go down as the american nazi era that was quickly erased from the history books
but we shouldn’t erase it too quickly, we need to root out the underlying stories first to understand what really happened to our country and our children who diedd
October 2nd, 2005 at 8:58 pmour children who were murdered by the nazi regime of BushCO
October 2nd, 2005 at 8:59 pmOuternet, I agree with you. Instead of saying GBA at the end of every speech, why not GB Everyone? If there is a god, that is.
October 2nd, 2005 at 9:12 pmIt’s like the Notre Dame Coach having the team pray for victory before the game — like God isn’t a Michigan fan.
During the Civil War, the north and the south each prayed to the same god for victory — what sense is that?
God bless America — like God doesn’t care about anyone else in the world?
Going on the assumption that America will take back the elections from Diebold et al, and we have HONEST elections in 2006 and ‘08 – the next congress (’06) must begin house (pun intended) cleaning and the next administration (’08) needs to continue with a full, in-depth, inquiry into the Bush administration, the influence of the PNAC, the corruption, crimes, ineptness and incompetetence. This needs to be followed up with prosicution. This is the only way I see to regain the integrity and honor this country once had that BushCo has shit on.
October 3rd, 2005 at 10:15 amFITZPATRICK MAY USE “RICO” ACT TO PROSECUTE “SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS” The Federal “Rico” Acts were originally established to help prosecute the”Mafia”. This would make for an easier and more comprehensive prosecution of those “Officials” which may now include George Bush and Dick Cheney, as well as Karl Rove & Scooter Libby. More recent White House leaks suggest that both the president and vice president were all members of a conspiracy to “out” CIA agent,Valerie Plame. Texas State “RICO” acts could also be used to prosecute Tom DeLay and one or more of his group which could include Jack Abramoff and Bob Ney and the murder of Gus Boulis.Talk about “conspiracy” !!!Wayne Smyer
October 3rd, 2005 at 10:42 amBased on who has been on the right side of every issue since 1998, I think we will win this one also :)
2000 Pesidency
2000 Senate
2000 House
2000 Governors
2001 Bush Tax Bill
2002 Senate
2002 House
2002 Governors
2002 Max Cleland Defeated
2003 Schwarzenegger Elected in CA
2004 Pesidency
2004 Senate
2004 House
2004 Governors
2004 Tom Daschle Defeated
2005 No Military Draft
2005 No Downing Street Memo
2005 Bolton Appointed to UN
2005 Roberts Confirmed to Supreme Ct
2005 Rove / Libby Not Involved — Predicted
October 3rd, 2005 at 1:07 pmI think Fitzpatrick’s investigation will expand to include the origins of the forged documents, which realy is at the crux of the whole matter. Why out Plame in the first place, except to support what those forgeries claimed?
Fitzgerald in investigating the Plame case, is not acting as US Attorney for the Northern District, which term does expire in October. He is acting as Special Prosecutor, with plenary powers to epxpand and extend his investigation until he is finished. When John Ashcroft recused himself, Fitzgerlad was given all the same powers, therefore his Grand jury has permanent status and unlimited funding, just like Ken Starr. In fact, any one of the citizen grand jury panelists can expand and extend the Grand jury, too. Recently, Congressman Maurice Hinchey and 40 Dems, sent a request to Fitzgerald, specifically asking that the investigation be expanded to include the origins of the Niger forged documents.
This could be quite a show when it gets going.
October 3rd, 2005 at 1:08 pmBased on who has been on the right side of every issue since 1998, I think we will win this one also…
October 3rd, 2005 at 1:51 pmYou may be right and if so it just goes to prove how uninformed 51% of the American public is and how crooked the GOP is. You can fool some of the people some of the time, a lot of the people a lot of the time but you can’t fool all the people all of the time…The uninformed Americans are slowly waking up to see how crooked this regime is
If Bush gets his attorney confirmed then the whole Lot of these crooks could get off!
October 3rd, 2005 at 3:50 pmBig John, you are right and the majority, and it is way more than 51% if you consider the % in the Senate, House and Governors, of the American people who have voted since 1998 are wrong? Puuuuuulease already … ok?
October 3rd, 2005 at 7:45 pmI trust you Amercans can get this shit resolved, even if heads must literaly Role. Take down the leaders of facism before they take you down……………
October 3rd, 2005 at 10:45 pmRalph … do you mean the facist who have won every free election in the US since 1998??? pfffttttt …
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December 1st, 2005 at 4:34 pmcriminal records…
Has anyone heard of this before?…
November 16th, 2006 at 9:10 pmcold sore virus…
cold sore victims need not suffer any further. There is now a breakthrough…
December 30th, 2006 at 8:06 am