When All Else Fails, Start Fear Mongering
When All Else Fails, Start Fear Mongering
America is losing confidence in President Bush. A Newsweek poll reveals that “across the board…his most visible policies only pull the support of a third of the country: on the economy, 35 percent approve; on Iraq, 33 percent; on energy policy, 28 percent.” When all else fails, start fear mongering. Some excerpts from President Bush’s speech today:
All these separate images of destruction and suffering that we see on the news can seem like random and isolated acts of madness. Innocent men and women and children have died simply because they boarded the wrong train or worked in the wrong building or checked into the wrong hotel.
And while the killers choose their victims indiscriminately, their attacks serve a clear and focused ideology, a set of beliefs and goals that are evil but not insane.
….With greater economic and military and political power, the terrorists would be able to advance their stated agenda: to develop weapons of mass destruction, to destroy Israel, to intimidate Europe, to assault the American people and to blackmail our government into isolation.
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No act of ours invited the rage of the killers, and no concession, bribe or act of appeasement would change or limit their plans for murder.
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In truth, they have endless ambitions of imperial domination and they wish to make everyone powerless except themselves…They seek to end dissent in every form and to control every aspect of life and to rule the soul itself.
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Defeating a militant network is difficult because it thrives like a parasite on the suffering and frustration of others.
….[W]e’re determined to deny weapons of mass destruction to outlaw regimes and to their terrorist allies who would use them without hesitation.
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Evil men who want to use horrendous weapons against us are working in deadly earnest to gain them.
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This would be a pleasant world, but it’s not the world we live in. The enemy is never tired, never sated, never content with yesterday’s brutality.
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What a bunch of crap. Did Rove write this?
October 6th, 2005 at 11:38 am“They seek to end dissent in every form and to control every aspect of life and to rule the soul itself.”
Does this not sound like exactly what the religious Neo-Cons have been and are doing at this very moment?
October 6th, 2005 at 11:40 amWell, I disapproved of Bush’s energy policy yesterday, but now that I read this, I’m pretty scared, and that energy policy is looking better and better. And Democrats are looking weaker and wussier. I think I’m in love with that manly cowboy. I love how he walks with his arms out and nods at those he passes, just like they’re important, too.
October 6th, 2005 at 11:40 amThe “imperial domination” idea is a sham. These guys are anti-technology. IF, and that’s a big if, they want to dominate it is with the spread of their ideas.
October 6th, 2005 at 11:43 amBush could take a cue from that thought if he gave a s*it.
My overall impression is muslims, not just radicals, want to be left alone.
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Aren’t you tired of being jerked around like a monkey on a chain yet?
October 6th, 2005 at 11:43 amtheir objective is and always has been to divide the sheeple, keep them from deveoping any real spirituality and above all, keep them from uniting in favor and furtherance of OUR COMMON INTERESTS.
Time to follow the mandate of the Declaration of Independence and abolish and/or reform this government.
October 6th, 2005 at 11:43 am#1
I think that’s where Rove has been. Scanning blogs looking for a clue.
October 6th, 2005 at 11:44 amWell, yankeluh, we all know Georgie didn’t write it!
Yes, Peace Lover, exactly. I kept thinking Georgie was talking in his speech about all the crap he and his administration do. Admittedly, I was not giving the speech my full attention. I can’t stand the sound of his voice.
October 6th, 2005 at 11:44 amSo Bush’s response to his failing policies, a bumbling war effort and outrageous spending is… a PR campaign?
People have stared to see through this crap. We want solutions, not jabber.
October 6th, 2005 at 11:45 ammarblex,
is correct.
October 6th, 2005 at 11:46 am“With greater economic and military and political power, the terrorists would be able to advance their stated agenda: to develop weapons of mass destruction, to destroy Israel, to intimidate Europe, to assault the American people and to blackmail our government into isolation.”
It ain’t paranoia if people are shooting at you. He’s not fear mongering anyway. He’s simply setting the stage and getting his ducks in a row for a limited nuclear attack on Iran and Syria. It’s about time too.
Personally I don’t like the idea of fundamentalist moon god worshiping head choppers who want to rule the world getting their hands on a hydrogen bomb. I think that would suck. Your mileage may differ.
October 6th, 2005 at 11:46 amIncredible.
October 6th, 2005 at 11:47 amTo paraphrase FDR, All we have to Fear is George W. Bush.
October 6th, 2005 at 11:48 amAnd our bombing of Iraq and Afghanistan hasn’t done the same thing???
“Innocent men and women and children have died simply because they boarded the wrong train or worked in the wrong building or checked into the wrong hotel.
And while the killers choose their victims indiscriminately, their attacks serve a clear and focused ideology, a set of beliefs and goals that are evil but not insane.”
War = terrorism!
October 6th, 2005 at 11:50 am#11 – And the effort to put down the terrorist is failing. Staying the course only works if you’re on the right course to begin with. We need new leadership and new direction, and a nuke on Iran won’t help anymore than napalm on Saigon or Nazi bombs on London. You can’t fight a war of ideology with weapons. And you’re right, a fundamentalist moon with an H-bomb does suck. Have you looked at our president?
October 6th, 2005 at 11:51 amYou want to see the downfall of Islamic gov’t.?
Leave them alone.
Let them organize.
Let them assemble.
Let them have weapons.
Let them localize.
Let them err.
Then retaliate.
Oil is death. Oil is terror. Oil is war.
October 6th, 2005 at 11:52 amWhat a crock of sh!t!
This is so far out of hand it is absolutely sickening. Who does this jack off think he is talking to?
“The militants believe that controlling one country will rally the Muslim masses, enabling them to overthrow all moderate governments in the region and establish a radical Islamic empire that spans from Spain to Indonesia.” He claims to know what they are thinking. Are you kidding me?
Okay Mr. FnCK STICK PRESIDENT! What am I thinking?
October 6th, 2005 at 11:52 amElvis,
is correct. Bush will have to answer for these bold statements.
October 6th, 2005 at 11:54 amKeep talking George…..the disconnect between real problems (see the Gulf Cost) and your imaginary “War on Terror” grows every time you open your mouth.
WOT….is it a War on Terror or a Waste of Time?
October 6th, 2005 at 11:55 amDid you ever hear the story about Chicken Little? Well, that must be one of bushco’s favorite books….well, just after his Pet Goat book. . . . While it may be true that telling a lie and espeically a BIG lie over and over can cause some people to believe it, there is a shelf life when evidence exists to counter the lie. bushco has now reached the “Chicken Little” stage of his political life. He doesn’t realize that the sky hasn’t fallen yet and believes (I think because HE is the prez) that people trust him and will believe every word coming from his lips.
If it is true that he surrounds himself with only “yes” people, then he will be the last person to know that he’s lying. However, I believe, bushco actually believes this crap. Rather then using alcohol to alter reality, this prez is using make believe terror to justify his stupid and insane actions. If he didn’t beleive this crap, he would have to admit that he screwed up and we know he’ll never admit to the smallest error on his part.
October 6th, 2005 at 11:57 amEven if you grant him these claims, he is clearly not the man to lead our country in these times. He is bankrupting us – financially, militarily, morally. He does not have an effective plan to accomplish anything except media relations. While the Republicans talk a good game (for their audience) they are weakening America on all fronts.
October 6th, 2005 at 11:57 am“He’s simply setting the stage and getting his ducks in a row for a limited nuclear attack on Iran and Syria.”
You are sick in the head.
October 6th, 2005 at 11:58 amThe first corporate owned president, nominates the frist privately owned supreme court justice, and then announces through the corporate media, that perpetual corporate war for Israel is a US priority.
Where are the American people in all of this scheming?
Are they willing to financing this lunatic?
October 6th, 2005 at 11:59 amWar on everybody!! Yeeeeeeehaaaaaaw
October 6th, 2005 at 12:01 pmShorter Bush:
BOOO!
October 6th, 2005 at 12:07 pmThe first corporate owned president, nominates the frist privately owned supreme court justice, and then announces through the corporate media, that perpetual corporate war for Israel is a US priority.
While I’m as anti-Bush as the next guy, it’s ridiculous to suggest that his is the first administration to be in the pocket of corporations. Maybe someday we’ll manage to elect one that isn’t.
October 6th, 2005 at 12:07 pmIf any person not associated with the right wing believes this bs, we’re in a heap of trouble. It is time for a Democrat to step up to the plate and display some spine and hold a press conference to deflate all the bs the president laid on us today. WHERE’S THE FREAKING PLANS!!
October 6th, 2005 at 12:10 pm“In truth, they have endless ambitions of imperial domination and they wish to make everyone powerless except themselves…They seek to end dissent in every form and to control every aspect of life and to rule the soul itself.”
Was Bush talking about terrorists or BushCo?
October 6th, 2005 at 12:14 pmDefeating a militant network is difficult because it thrives like a parasite on the suffering and frustration of others.
Where have i heard that metaphor before?
October 6th, 2005 at 12:19 pmWhat Bush needs oh so desperately right now is a good old-fashioned terror attack on the scale of 9/11 or greater. Nothing else will help his poll numbers at this point.
This essential truth, more than any other, scares me. Not his phantom threats, but the fact that he desperately needs one of those threats to be realized in order to maintain his hold on power.
October 6th, 2005 at 12:23 pmThe Bush speech continues the same Conflation Strategy:
9/11 = Iraq
Iraq=Al Qaeda
Al Qaeda = Checheb rebels, Hezbollah, Abu Sayyef, Hamas, etc.
It’s just a continuation of Bush’s Global War on Error.
October 6th, 2005 at 12:27 pmWhere are the specifics? If I gave a presentation at work that was full of allusions instead of FACTS like that speech I’d get fired. So when you’re talking to the kool aid drinkers, point out that Bush almost never puts facts in his speeches. You know why? Because someone like Joe Wilson will come around and shoot if full of holes. Someone do the research – Did the quantity of fact based statements go down in Bushes speeches after Joe W’s op ed? Hmmmm…
October 6th, 2005 at 12:29 pmWhat do these cronies have plan? It is scary!!!!
October 6th, 2005 at 12:29 pmAl Queda does not have a monopoly on evil.
Not as long as Bush still holds ‘Boardwalk’.
October 6th, 2005 at 12:29 pmMy Dad once told me, son, “Fright peddlers”..are thoes who will try to scare you into believing what they want, don’t buy into it.” This is an OLD trick, sorry bushie, it won’t work. “I’m going to BEAT YOU until your believe in JESUS”..a friend of mine’s dad told him.
October 6th, 2005 at 12:34 pmAnother friend was grabbed by the neck,pulled to the floor until he ‘repented’ his sins!, he was 8 years old.
to 30, I’m not even sure that that will do it this time, becuase it will prove to red neck nation that he can’t protect us. It won’t make the left of the middle rally around him, and Rove knows this.
October 6th, 2005 at 12:35 pmOtherwise…we would have had one by now.
Wait a minute:
“They seek to end dissent in every form and to control every aspect of life and to rule the soul itself.”
Could we come up with a better description of our very own rightwing oligarchy?
October 6th, 2005 at 12:35 pmThe depressing thought is that Bush may believe all this delusional shit about “terrorists.” Maybe the Bush handlers believe we are an nation of idiots. What motives the resistance in Iraq is pretty obvious. They want us out. It’s that simple.
October 6th, 2005 at 12:39 pmMr. Bush, your scare tactics are NOT going to work ANYMORE!
October 6th, 2005 at 12:42 pmRepublican values all stem from fear. Fear of taxes. Fear of poor people. Fear of REMAINING poor or middle class. Fear of other ‘races’. Fear of foreigners. Fear of terrorists. Everything about the republican system is based on fear of something. And ironically republican values INCREASE poverty and dissent against them internationally – thereby feeding terrorism, warfare and instability.
Be careful of what you fear, because that will come to dominate your life…
October 6th, 2005 at 12:43 pmListen to Granny Bee’s latest commentary on fear.
http://makethemaccountable.com/gran/index.htm
Carolyn Kay
October 6th, 2005 at 12:46 pmMakeThemAccountable.com
What a crock of shit!
October 6th, 2005 at 12:46 pmGeorge Bush doesn’t care about black people.
Or giving speeches that make any kind of sense.
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October 6th, 2005 at 12:48 pmWait a minute….is he describing his own administration? Sure souns like it.
October 6th, 2005 at 12:50 pmOh My God! Bush’s speech is a huge, scary Freudian slip. It reads like his own administration’s assault on the American middle class and the Constitution. He and his handlers are dangerous sociopaths.
October 6th, 2005 at 12:52 pm…to assault the American people and to blackmail our government into isolation.
Funny he should use the term “blackmail”. Isn’t that the rationale for the judge who ordered the release of the Abu Ghraib photos/videos?
October 6th, 2005 at 12:52 pm“In truth, they have endless ambitions of imperial domination and they wish to make everyone powerless except themselves…They seek to end dissent in every form and to control every aspect of life and to rule the soul itself.”
is he talking about the terrorists or the republican party…?
October 6th, 2005 at 12:53 pmAMAZING!!!
>>In truth, they have endless ambitions of imperial domination and they wish to make everyone powerless except themselves…They seek to end dissent in every form and to control every aspect of life and to rule the soul itself.
October 6th, 2005 at 12:53 pm#41 — FEAR Acronym
False Evidence Appearing Real
October 6th, 2005 at 12:54 pmBushco & Co. took a page straight out of Goebbel’s book of propaganda and it’s worked beautifully on legions of wingnuts who live on the far right.
These sad souls don’t like to think for themselves and would rather have King George take care of them.
Not unlike the religious who keep telling us “God has a plan.”
As far as I’m concerned, only the Flying Speghetti Monster has a plan, thank you.
October 6th, 2005 at 12:54 pmJust another verse in the song he keeps singing to fell Rome.
October 6th, 2005 at 12:56 pmThe most Orwellian words ever spoken:
Quote from Bushies speech today:
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Osama bin Laden says his own role is to tell Muslims, quote, “what is good for them and what is not.” And what this man who grew up in wealth and privilege considers good for poor Muslims is that they become killers and suicide bombers.
BUSH: He assures them that this is the road to paradise, though he never offers to go along for the ride.
October 6th, 2005 at 12:59 pm—–
It’s too bad that Bush never went into Alcoholics Anonymous. He could have used the 12 steps as a place to start repairing his fiascos. As it is, I’m afraid he’s in complete denial and can’t admit that he is a war addict.
October 6th, 2005 at 1:01 pmThe mystery of the disappearing Iraqi battalions…
Bush (28-Sept): More than a hundred battalions operating throughout Iraq.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/09/20050928.html
Bush (6-Oct): More than 80 Iraqi army battalions fighting the insurgency.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/10/20051006-3.html
At this rate, we’ll run out of Iraqi batallions some time next month.
October 6th, 2005 at 1:03 pmTo # 39:
We are a nation of idiots. Our misplaced emphasis on Judeo-Christian mythology over reason, our proven gullibility when it comes to anything on TV, and our propensity to (psuedo) elect idiot zealots (twice) are proof alone. But isn’t that the way most self-respecting plutocrats prefer their lemmings?
October 6th, 2005 at 1:04 pm“22. ‘He’s simply setting the stage and getting his ducks in a row for a limited nuclear attack on Iran and Syria.’
You are sick in the head.”
Maybe. That doesn’t mean he or she’s not correct.
October 6th, 2005 at 1:06 pmWe have nothing to fear but fear itself.
Bush is batshit crazy.
October 6th, 2005 at 1:09 pmis it me or can 90% of what is said up^there be applied to the bush regime, and the neo-con movement in general?
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October 6th, 2005 at 1:13 pmsalt-
“No act of ours invited the rage of the killers, and no concession, bribe or act of appeasement would change or limit their plans for murder.”
So, is that why they are presently only attacking members of the “coalition” that attacked Iraq?
I’d wager if we 1) got our asses out of there and 2) dumped the billions we are wasting in the Middle East into alternative energy sources like biofuel and grassolean (vegetable-oil-based engine fuel), and 3) quit buying Middle East oil altogether, you’d see a pretty quick drying-up both of anti-US hostilities AND their resources to wage war.
October 6th, 2005 at 1:13 pmIs everybody ready for the revolution? It’s time it’s time!!!
October 6th, 2005 at 1:13 pm(DOUBLESPEAK: A slight change reveals the truth behind the words – note the capitals:)
And while the killers choose their victims indiscriminately, (OUR) attacks serve a clear and focused ideology, a set of beliefs and goals that are evil but not insane.
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With greater economic and military and political power, (WE) would be able to advance (OUR) stated agenda: to develop weapons of mass destruction, to destroy Israel, to intimidate Europe, to assault the American people and to blackmail (THEIR) government into isolation.
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No act of (THEIRS) invited the rage of the killers, and no concession, bribe or act of appeasement would change or limit (OUR) plans for murder.
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In truth, (WE) have endless ambitions of imperial domination and (WE) wish to make everyone powerless except (OURSELVES). (WE) seek to end dissent in every form and to control every aspect of life and to rule the soul itself.
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Defeating a militant network is difficult because it thrives like a parasite on the suffering and frustration of others.
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[W]e’re determined to deny weapons of mass destruction to outlaw regimes and to their terrorist allies who would use them without hesitation.
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Evil men who want to use horrendous weapons against (THEM) are working in deadly earnest to gain them.
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This would be a pleasant world, but it’s not the world we live in. (WE ARE) never tired, never sated, never content with yesterday’s brutality.
October 6th, 2005 at 1:15 pmFear is all these reptiles have to retain their control of the levers of power. Their policies are idiotic, medieval and bankrupting this country.
October 6th, 2005 at 1:16 pmThe war on communism was used in this same fashion. It’s a fear tool used to keep the military industrial complex healthy and rich, as per Eisenhower in his farewell address.
Communism was a red herring, and so is the war on terrorism.
“States are not moral agents.” – Chomsky
October 6th, 2005 at 1:17 pm“He’s simply setting the stage and getting his ducks in a row for a limited nuclear attack on Iran and Syria.â€
You are sick in the head.
Comment by Innocent Bystander
Uh huh.
And then, when our worst fears come to pass AGAIN, your spin will morph from, “How DARE you suggest this insanity and speak so sacrilgously of the Boy God and his Holy Followers?!?” to “This is a GOOD thing… would you rather those nukes had gone off HERE?.. how DARE you…?!?!?”
Conveniently, the alleged insanity of the original suggestion will go bopping gleefully down the ol’ memory hole.
We’ve been to this movie before, nimrod! We’re just trying to break down the door to the projectionsist’s booth and STOP the goddamned thing, before it goes any further.
And, what the commentator above said, about yanking our chains like trained monkeys. Half the offense of life in this country today revolves around the necessity of eating official explanations for things that retarded… oh, what’s a good analogy, here?… MONKEYS wouldn’t swallow! Believe me, if you’re a normal American, it can get very degrading.
October 6th, 2005 at 1:17 pmAll this rhetoric comes from a man who says
“God told him to attack Iraq” and “He’s on a mission”
he is hearing voices, that is not so good, the man has a mental illness, ask any professional.
read this article.
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Bush_allegedly_told_Palestinian_leaders_God_1006.html
October 6th, 2005 at 1:18 pmBush prays every nite for another terrorist attack. Then he will have the army he needs to complete is holy war as the newly formed warrior class (former middle class) will enlist in droves.
October 6th, 2005 at 1:18 pmWE NEED TO TAKE OUR AMERICA BACK.
October 6th, 2005 at 1:22 pmGeorge Bush has had over 100,000 women and children massacred in Iraq pleasing all of his neo-conservative right wing Christian followers(these were the votors that got him elected)…the same bunch that wishes to end safe abortions for women.
October 6th, 2005 at 1:23 pmCommunism was a red herring, and so is the war on terrorism.
“States are not moral agents.†– Chomsky
Comment by Elvis
Chomsky is insane and you can tell the 60 or so million people communism murdered that it was just a red hearing and they are not really dead. Dumbass.
October 6th, 2005 at 1:30 pmTHIS IS WHAT I DON’T UNDERSTAND ONE OF THE COMMANDMENTS IS THRU SHALL NOT KILL SO THE CHRISTIAN BELIEVE. WHY DID WE GO TO WAR BECAUSE GOD TOLD BUSHIE TO DO THIS. WHAT A JOKE. A WOMAN HAS THE RIGHT TO CHOICE. MEN SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY SAY BECAUSE IT IS NOT THEM THAT HAS TO HAVE THIS BABY.
October 6th, 2005 at 1:34 pmGeorge Bush has had over 100,000 women and children massacred in Iraq pleasing all of his neo-conservative right wing Christian followers(these were the votors that got him elected)…the same bunch that wishes to end safe abortions for women.
Comment by Blondie
Actually it was you that had over 100k women and children murdered in Iraq and eslewhere in the middle east and around the globe because you are a left wing fool who never met a murdering communist or Islamist thug you couldn’t feel good about. You and Jimmah “Peanut” Carter have a lot in common except he probably hasn’t had the same number of abortions you’ve had. Hateful little bitch.
October 6th, 2005 at 1:37 pmi righty – isn’t the pot calling the kettle black here?
When was the last time you looked in the mirror?
October 6th, 2005 at 1:39 pmTHIS IS WHAT I DON’T UNDERSTAND ONE OF THE COMMANDMENTS IS THRU SHALL NOT KILL SO THE CHRISTIAN BELIEVE. WHY DID WE GO TO WAR BECAUSE GOD TOLD BUSHIE TO DO THIS.
Comment by Mary Penguin
The commandment is properly understood as “Thou shall do no murder”. Killing your enemy who is trying to kill you or yours is perfectly acceptable in the eyes of God. Next question?
October 6th, 2005 at 1:40 pmThis speech sounds like “Dr. StrangeLove!”
Where are the patriotic Republians? They MUST step forward and stop this administration. Don’t they see what is being done in the name of their party? Democrats cannot stop this madness. If you are a republican, it is your duty to save this country and the rest of the world. This is real MADNESS!
October 6th, 2005 at 1:41 pm“Naturally, the common people don’t want war, but after all, it is the leaders of a country wh determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.”
October 6th, 2005 at 1:42 pm-Herman Goering to Nuremberg psychologist Gustave Gilbert.
righty – isn’t the pot calling the kettle black here?
When was the last time you looked in the mirror?
Comment by kindness
Sorry, I don’t know what you’re referencing.
October 6th, 2005 at 1:44 pm“Communism was a red herring, and so is the war on terrorism.” – Elvis
The corrupt theory of communism appeals to three types of people:
1.) the power hungry totalitarian (can you say “Bob Avakian”? from the Revolutionary Communist Party USA?)
2.) The self-perceived victim
3.) the lazy
I have a feeling the Elvi (and his ilk) may fit one, or more of these parameters.
October 6th, 2005 at 1:45 pm“No act of ours invited the rage of the killers…”
This kind of lie should be challenged by the media.
Did the Condiliar not give aWol the complaints of OBL, among which were our occupation of their holy lands and support of corrupt Middle East rulers?
The Big Lie again…
October 6th, 2005 at 1:47 pmI-RIGHT-I You are totally wrong God did not say it is ok to kill. He said turn the other cheek. My name is not Mary Penguin you a**.
October 6th, 2005 at 1:48 pmpolitical evolution—–
October 6th, 2005 at 1:51 pm——or———–
REVOLUTION—vote 2006
I-RIGHT-I is yet another sad example of a conservative troll, smelling the blood in the water and not realizing it is his own. Churn yourself into a froth as your relevancy ebbs away, little troll. We are patient.
October 6th, 2005 at 1:52 pmI-RIGHT-I
#74, HORSESH!T!!!
Book of Exodus: “Do not commit murder.”
You cannot pick and choose which version of the bible you wish to interpret as “gospel” and discard other sections of other bibles as “wrong” or “misrepresentative” unless you are a hypocrite. Which is a sin by your “gods” standards.
Shall we get into the murders that your “god” committed, or how about those which your faith committed in “his” name?
Shall we get into slavery and how the bible condones it?
Shall we get into the rape that occurs in the bible?
“Only those who slavishly worship success can think that effectiveness is admirable without regard to what is affected.” – Bertrand Russell
October 6th, 2005 at 1:56 pmI-RIGHT-I You are totally wrong God did not say it is ok to kill. He said turn the other cheek. My name is not Mary Penguin you a**.
Comment by Mary Pompusass
Mary…God does not require his children to stand there and let some Islamofucktard Killer cut his head off. The commandment says what it says..do no murder. Killing the enemy is a necessary thing for survival. He does not require your death as proof of your love for Him. That is the requirement of pagan gods.
October 6th, 2005 at 1:57 pmChurn yourself into a froth as your relevancy ebbs away, little troll. We are patient.
Comment by daryl
Are you daryl or your brother daryl? I’m not the little troll. I’m the big bad wolf and you’re the little pig living in a house of straw.
October 6th, 2005 at 2:00 pmBush is right…well, he would be if he acknowledged that all of the bolded items above apply to the United States under his administration.
October 6th, 2005 at 2:02 pmYou cannot pick and choose which version of the bible you wish to interpret as “gospel†and discard other sections of other bibles as “wrong†or “misrepresentative†unless you are a hypocrite. Which is a sin by your “gods†standards.
Comment by Elvis
In the original Hebrew the word for kill was used as “murder”. I’m not switching versions I’m telling you how the Israelites understood the commandment. It would be hypocritical of God to mean “No Killing Allowed” and then praise King David for his bravery and victories on the battlefield. It would be hypocritical of God to tell the Israelites to go out and kill the enemy, which He did.
You’re trying to make it say what you want it to say and I’m here to correct your mistake. “Thou Shalt Do No Murder” is correct. End of story.
October 6th, 2005 at 2:05 pm#86 You are right. We should not pay attention to the trolls. They are just rude.
October 6th, 2005 at 2:05 pmDon’t bother engaging Trolls on Moral issues.
It’s all a Rovian distraction tactic designed to take us off the scent of their crimes.
Comment by Plunger
Yeah, it’s a tactic all right. We like to hit you with Moral issues because frankly, you suck at those and it makes you look like the mean little commieratbastardmofo’s you are. It’s just a fact of life. We’re better than you. That’s why we win.
October 6th, 2005 at 2:08 pmmighty aphrodite,
It appears that you believe that my saying that “communism was a red herring” implies that I myself am a communist.
You would have to be incredibly ignorant to:
1. Think such a thing.
2. Think you know me enough to categorize me.
You’ve obviously done both, so can you provide me/us with some proof that you are not, in fact, and ignorant person?
Political dissent does not equal “communist” or “anti-American” as the “right” seem to want everyone to believe. This is what I meant by a “red herring.” It was used by “them” in order to get the nation and nations behind “their” causes. Hell, I even believed it up until my last year in the Marine Corps.
“Unhappy are the people who need heroes.”
October 6th, 2005 at 2:08 pmOh. My. God.
Anybody recognize the re-hash of The Domino Theory?
October 6th, 2005 at 2:12 pmHey, don’t feed the trolls… I think I-Right-I and Mighty Aphrodite are the same person, notice they always come to the party together? With one brain between them…
October 6th, 2005 at 2:12 pmAlso, it is CLASSIC Karl Rove to proactively accuse the other guys of what you are doing. Therefore the eerie simialarity of the speech to the reality… No surprise there.
This guy should PAY for his air time. All he does is rejustify false/delusional ideas. “War on terror” violence is on display in more than Iraq (Spain, London, Bali et al)…it’s world-wide movement that can only really be countered by behind-the-scenes intelligence-gathering (followed by action to eliminate, naturally), not smash-mouth with gun-butts to everybody in sight to clear areas (making them “safe”…until tomorrow) in Middle East. Iraq is effectively a wart on the world’s skin…
If this nationn continues on its current track, there will be hell to pay (and we as world residents, will be paying a big part)….if there EVER were a time for “God Bless (HELP) America…”
October 6th, 2005 at 2:13 pmI-RIGHT-I If you love killing so much, Why don’t you go and fight in Iraq? Who do you think you are to say You are better than us. You are a totally moron.
October 6th, 2005 at 2:14 pm#86 You are right. We should not pay attention to the trolls. They are just rude.
Comment by Mary Popup
Go ahead and try sugar pie…I’m impossible to ignore. But I must take exception to being called rude unless you’re willing to admit that by “rude” you really mean “right”.
October 6th, 2005 at 2:15 pmI-RIGHT-I,
Okay dip-sh!t, we’ll play by your rules.
What then do you call the “killing” of innocent people? People who were not trying to kill or hurt you in any way?
October 6th, 2005 at 2:18 pm#97 YOU WILL NEVER BE RIGHT.
BUSHIE WILL BE GONE BY 2008. IMPEACH!!! IMPEACH!!! IMPEACH!!!
October 6th, 2005 at 2:19 pmI-RIGHT-I If you love killing so much, Why don’t you go and fight in Iraq? Who do you think you are to say You are better than us. You are a totally moron.
Comment by Mary Poppin
I didn’t say I love killing. I said it is sometimes necessary for survival. You’re a Darwinist right? What’s your problem with killing?
How dare I? It’s easy. You support the party of death. Death to old folks and the infirm, death to the unborn, death to American soldiers fighting for our country, death to our Country by giving aid and comfort to our enemies. It’s hardly a stretch of the word moral to suggest that people who do not think, speak and act as you do are better people. Lets face it, people on the Filthy Left in America are just bad Americans.
October 6th, 2005 at 2:20 pmI-RIGHT-I,
I’m waiting.
October 6th, 2005 at 2:21 pmIn his speeches in the runup to the invasion of Iraq G W Bush said, “We will bring peace to the people of Iraq.” To paraphrase Douglas Adams, this is a definition of “peace” with which I was not familiar.
October 6th, 2005 at 2:23 pmAll we have left of the president’s boasts about dealing with terrorism is its use in FUD to further our acceptance of his designed bankrupting of the Federal Government. Once big government is gone who will stand up to big business?
To I-RIGHT-I:
Chances are, you thrive on the kind of assaults you provoke, but the fact that you are zealously quoting as reputable and relevant a text that was written by ignorant, fearful men, which was designed to control other ignorant, fearful men and (mostly) women, thousands of years ago, without the benefit of even Faux News’ Fact-Checking Department, and which was translated and retranslated many times by many other ignorant, fearful men to further their mythology and their agendas, discredits anything else you would have to say. Consider yourself shut down.
October 6th, 2005 at 2:24 pmI-RIGHT-I,
Come on. Let’s hear it. What then do you call the “killing†of innocent people? People who were not trying to kill or hurt you in any way?
October 6th, 2005 at 2:26 pmI-RIGHT-I,
Okay dip-sh!t, we’ll play by your rules.
What then do you call the “killing†of innocent people? People who were not trying to kill or hurt you in any way?
Comment by Elvis
Collateral damage. It’s an unfortunate fact of modern urban warfare brought on by fighting an enemy that infiltrates the civil sector and carries out its dastardly death dealing behind the skirts of women and the playgrounds of children.
What do you call the Islamofucktards that are intentionally targeting school busses? Let me tell you what YOU call them. You call them freedom fighters. I call them dead meat.
The fact is, in case you didn’t know it, we are losing most of our boys in Iraq because Bush is too big a pussy to use airpower to clean out those Sunni towns where all the killers are congregating. Bush doesn’t want to hurt those “innocent” people who are supporting, hiding, feeding and joining the killers. If it were me in the oval office I believe I’d move heaven and earth to make sure we never use a platoon of troops to do what one great big bomb could do. But that’s just me.
October 6th, 2005 at 2:28 pmsome guy @ 57
Sorry…I left off the rest of his quote.
“He’s simply setting the stage and getting his ducks in a row for a limited nuclear attack on Iran and Syria. It’s about time too.”
So he is sick in the head, but no sicker than the AWOL chickenhawk who just might use them as the ultimate distraction to save his worthless, criminal ass.
A limited nuclear war? Is this what the Intelligent Designer had in mind?
October 6th, 2005 at 2:31 pmI-RIGHT-I THIS IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY TO YOU. YOU ARE A SICK RUDE PERSON. I HOPE YOU DON’T HAVE ANY CHILDREN BECAUSE HEAVEN HELP US ALL. GOOD BY!!!
October 6th, 2005 at 2:32 pmThis speach is beyond pathetic. Everytime this WH gets worried about the polling numbers, we get a “major” speach about Iraq. But the speaches no longer have any positive effect on the poll numbers because the American people — thank god — are finally waking up to the fact that what this man says and what he does are often very different. Katrina was a powerful object lesson on that front. As the admin officials were talking about how wonderful the relief and rescue operations were going, the press was showing the reality in powerful, full-color images. The language used by this WH in describing the relief and rescue efforts is strangely the same language bush uses in these speaches to tell us how wonderful things are going in Iraq. 70% of the country now has bush’s number on this.
These speaches are pathetic.
October 6th, 2005 at 2:36 pmConsider yourself shut down.
Comment by The Chameleon
If you think you’ve got the skill set to shut me down loser then give it your best shot. But if that stupid fundy-atheist complaint about Biblical text is all you’ve got I think you’ll be sent home to your momma in short order. The fact is, The Hebrew text of the old testament is about the oldest and purest text extant and considered such by the best minds (not all Christian or Jewish)in that field of study. The Dead Sea Scrolls testify to the fact that the text of today is the same as it was 2000 years ago. Next.
October 6th, 2005 at 2:36 pmI don’t have to listen to any of Bush’s speeches about terrorism – they simply go like this: 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, Iraq, central front in the war against terror, freedom, freedom, freedom, it’s hard work, 9/11, freedom, Iraq, 9/11, evil, freedom … yada, yada, yada.
October 6th, 2005 at 2:36 pmI-RIGHT-I,
That’s what I figured. Typical.
When you and people of your faith are directly challenged as to the validity of your beliefs, you cower and hide, like scared puppies, afraid of the truth. Which is that your religion is a disgusting, immoral, limp d!cked house of cards.
October 6th, 2005 at 2:36 pmI-RIGHT-I THIS IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY TO YOU. YOU ARE A SICK RUDE PERSON. I HOPE YOU DON’T HAVE ANY CHILDREN BECAUSE HEAVEN HELP US ALL. GOOD BY!!!
Comment by Mary Poppin
Oh, come on. Don’t be that way! What if I promise not to make fun of your name anymore? Ok, Ok,…also, I promise to stop looking up your skirt.
October 6th, 2005 at 2:38 pm-RIGHT-I,
That’s what I figured. Typical.
When you and people of your faith are directly challenged as to the validity of your beliefs, you cower and hide,
Comment by Elvis
How so Elvis?
October 6th, 2005 at 2:39 pmjust remember … we’re commenting to a speech made by the family friend of the people responsible for the World Trade Center offensive …who’s leader was intentionally let go in Afganistan to run to the unreasonable safety of Pakistan. The same Administration that would now propose to protect us that never looked into the anthrax distribution in our mails any more seriously than they looked into who treasonously revealed the name of an active C.I.A. operative who was at the time working to gather information to protect our country. (he) and his new supreme court nominee are shown going over the morning reports that stated we’d better be wary of a strike, possibly by hijacked planes, in the New York, DC area. It would be my guess that mister slippery and his crime cartel have something wicked this way comin’ … pass the crayons
October 6th, 2005 at 2:40 pmTo Mary Poppin:
You just gave I-WRONG-I the result it sought. For your civil discourse to be abandoned and for the debate forum to erode. Fortunately, those of us here equipped with even the minimum (ability to reason, opposable thumbs, bipedal) see through its tactics and appreciate your contribution to the discussion.
October 6th, 2005 at 2:41 pmI-RIGHT-I,
Okay, here is “next.”
The people who wrote your “book” actually believed the world was flat. They actually believed that earth was the center of the universe. That women are not worth as much as men. That slavery was okay. That killing children, or selling your wife was actually what you should do in certain situations.
These people are who you consider intelligent? No wonder you think Bush is “right.”
October 6th, 2005 at 2:42 pmI-RIGHT-I,
You never answered my question, thats “how so.”
Question was: What then do you call the “killing†of innocent people? People who were not trying to kill or hurt you in any way?
October 6th, 2005 at 2:42 pm“They seek to end dissent in every form and to control every aspect of life and to rule the soul itself.”
Is Bush talking about his administration here?
October 6th, 2005 at 2:49 pmI-RIGHT-I,
You never answered my question, thats “how so.â€
Question was: What then do you call the “killing†of innocent people? People who were not trying to kill or hurt you in any way?
Comment by Elvis
I wrote you a book. What? Not the answer you were looking for? Sorry but civilian death in a time of war is not something that can be helped, especially when the terrorists use the population as a shield. The “willing” population I might add. I guess you could say they are really not so “innocent” after all? How innocent were the Germans we killed?
October 6th, 2005 at 2:50 pm“They seek to end dissent in every form and to control every aspect of life and to rule the soul itself.â€
Is Bush talking about his administration here?
Comment by Pete Bogs
I guess you’ve never been to a Muslim country or spent any time in a Leftist college.
October 6th, 2005 at 2:51 pmThe people who wrote your “book†actually believed the world was flat. They actually believed that earth was the center of the universe.
Comment by Elvis
No Elvis, the ancient Hebrews did not believe the earth was flat. In fact the “flat earth” nonsense you get from infidel.com is a myth made up by losers that think like you. Remind me sometime and I’ll give you the details.
October 6th, 2005 at 2:55 pmI Right I yer dumb ..go lay down
October 6th, 2005 at 2:57 pmby the way …chert jerk off is a israeli citizen as well as being our homeland defense chief …go figger
October 6th, 2005 at 3:01 pm“No act of ours invited the rage of the killers, and no concession, bribe or act of appeasement would change or limit their plans for murder.”
I can’t believe he had the stones to say that out loud.
October 6th, 2005 at 3:02 pmNo oil. No terror. No death.
October 6th, 2005 at 3:03 pmI-RIGHT-I,
Whether it can be helped or not, by the definition of your “religion,” murder is a sin.
How can you possibly sit here and claim that civilian deaths are justified simply because they happen in a time of war, without actually getting over there and pulling the trigger yourself, or maybe send your son or daughter over there to come back in a 2 foot by 2 foot by 1 foot box.
You are a sick individual.
October 6th, 2005 at 3:04 pmthe noises made in the speech sounded so eerily like he was talking about the murderous ambitions of our current administration toward nearly anyone else in the world
October 6th, 2005 at 3:05 pm#117 CHAMELEON I am not gone gone. I will continue to read all the messeges but will not comment on any. You can not reason with people like that. I have learned alot from this blog.
October 6th, 2005 at 3:09 pmWeekend’s Comin’. But First….
Lots of chattere about the President’s Speech. Most of it. So far. From the left.
October 6th, 2005 at 3:12 pmUm, and this is just a suggestion, has anyone ever looked at the translations of OBL’s speeches to see if his rhetoric is at all similar? Because while I certainly don’t think that his motives are the same or his methods are reasonable, sane, or at all human, I DO note that there are similarities in the elements of the psychological warfare done on either side.
Asbestos suit on, troll bombs away!
October 6th, 2005 at 3:12 pmBush is a fraud. His speech was a fabrication of his own lies and hallucinations, distortions of fact, and a rewriting of history. He wants America to be afraid. He won the election on fear; he is losing credibility every week, so the time is ripe to revive the fear tactic. If we are attacked again, it will be because of Bush and his policies, not inspite of them.
October 6th, 2005 at 3:33 pmNeither he nor his speechwriters can see that he is the American taliban. Preaching about hate, retribution, killing and victory, like he is Genghis Khan — except Khan was a warrior — Bush only talks like one. He himself is a coward.
I Right I has the will to refute anything anyone says, revealing bit by bit his true self, a self-righteous fundamentalist whose better values have been subsumed to support a nationalistic/xenophobic death cult bent on imperial control of oil and the Middle East. Kill Iraqi women and children? Thats ok with I Right I, they are the declared enemy who dare to own resources the US covets. Anything can be justified by warmongers, even the use of religion on both sides, that’s obvious.
October 6th, 2005 at 3:39 pmTaking a stand to seek justice even when your government/religion is wrong is a hard thing to do. One voice in this post mentioned taking all that money used for war and put it towards a sustainable fuel supply would pre-empt much of the need for a war on “terrorism”, But we know that will never happen in this society because those in power want to continue making obscene profits from oil and war. The American people and those who are the victims of your oil wars pay the price, not your rich leaders.
I agree and applaud you marie
October 6th, 2005 at 3:40 pmSo … come to find out our country is being run by self loathing murders … who just happen to promote the idea that we be like them …. awww sheeeeit ..now what do we do?
October 6th, 2005 at 3:47 pmincidently …. the dead sea scrolls that “what’s his face” mentioned earlier actually contradict alot of the former standardized misconceptions that many still believe regarding early religious “beliefs” ..the fact of the matter is … they can only be reviewed by scholars (read: those that are thoroughly dedicated to not throwing marbles on the floor of the major religious concerns at this time.) we’ll never really know the status of the cat in the box …oh darn
October 6th, 2005 at 3:57 pmSo, what color are we in
October 6th, 2005 at 4:15 pmCODE BURGUNDY!!! RUN FOR YOU LIVES!!!
color …? looks like drying blood …
October 6th, 2005 at 4:19 pm“But we know that will never happen in this society because those in power want to continue making obscene profits from oil and war. The American people and those who are the victims of your oil wars pay the price, not your rich leaders.
Comment by modernredman — October 6, 2005 @ 3:39 pm”
Yawwwwwn!!! You sound like a 30 year ago re-tread. Please tell me you are NOT a Preofessor brain-washing impressionable minds!!!
“I-RIGHT-I THIS IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY TO YOU. YOU ARE A SICK RUDE PERSON. I HOPE YOU DON’T HAVE ANY CHILDREN BECAUSE HEAVEN HELP US ALL. GOOD BY!!!
Comment by Mary P.”
I-RIGHT, I guess Mary won’t let your kids marry any of her grand kids. I wouldn’t want to water down our family’s gene pool with any of those “throw in the towel” types. Squish, squish!!
Is it just me, or does lower tiberius sound like ryan neat – but more grown up???
October 6th, 2005 at 4:32 pmThe FEAR FACTOR leads to the CONTROL FACTOR … a necessary means of changing behavior of the American citizens. Since the regime of Bush took control of the WHite House and accelerated means to control society by various means has been on the fast track. Another way to CONTROL is through the pocketbook and make millions of Americans cry for help when it comes to affordability to live.. get the people to their knees with very little or no output to the media controlled by the small percentage of rich …
October 6th, 2005 at 4:35 pmLook over there – a lost white woman!
October 6th, 2005 at 4:40 pmSorry, wrong fear mongering displacement place.
“we stand for democracy and peace”
Oh man, I’m tearing up (with laughter)…
Yeah, Bush stands for peace, yet he’s the current face of never-ending war…
“Osama bin Laden, has called on Muslims to dedicate, quote, their “resources, sons and money to driving the infidels out of their lands.”"
What has Bush asked of Americans?
The military is a noble profession is it not?
Not for the Bush twins.
” They hit us, and expect us to run.”
No, they expect us to die.
That’s what we expect them to do.
Silly war, isn’t it?
“And what this man who grew up in wealth and privilege considers good for poor Muslims is that they become killers and suicide bombers. He assures them that his — that this is the road to paradise — though he never offers to go along for the ride.”
What Dubya, this this man who grew up in wealth and privilege, considers good for poor Americans is that they become killers and homicide bombers. But he never goes along for the ride.
“Like the ideology of communism, our new enemy teaches that innocent individuals can be sacrificed to serve a political vision.”
Like the ideology of communism, the PNAC and the Bush admin. teaches that innocent individuals can be sacrificed to serve a political vision.
“They achieved their goal, for a time, in Afghanistan. Now they’ve set their sights on Iraq. ”
And thanks to Dubya and the PNAC, they have a fighting chance to reach that goal. Under Saddam Hussein, they wouldn’t have had a chance. Thanks Dubya.
“Defeating the militant network is difficult, because it thrives, like a parasite, on the suffering and frustration of others.”
And Dubya made sure that more and more people are frustrated and suffering.
“The radicals exploit local conflicts to build a culture of victimization, in which someone else is always to blame and violence is always the solution.”
So are you saing that violence is not the solution?
“And they exploit modern technology to multiply their destructive power.”
We’d better gear up our Amish Army then, if you’re opposed to that.
“Some have also argued that extremism has been strengthened by the actions of our coalition in Iraq, claiming that our presence in that country has somehow caused or triggered the rage of radicals.”
No, they’re saying that it created more “suffering and frustration” which creates more terrorists “because it thrives like a parasite” on these things. And extremism has been strengthened NOT weakened by our actions in Iraq. If we had done certain very crucial things in the immediate aftermath, like involving locals in the reconstruction and not shooting civilians on sight for not understanding English commands, then extremism had a chance of weakening. No chance of that now at all, no matter what we do.
“The government of Russia did not support Operation Iraqi Freedom, and yet the militants killed more than 180 Russian schoolchildren in Beslan.”
I love the usage of the word THE here. He ties in Chechnyan separatists with Al-Qeada almost as expertly as he tied Saddam to 9/11. Damn right Russia didn’t support the war in Iraq and Chechnyan separatists had jack nothing to do with 9/11 or anything that has to do with the US. It was aimed at Russia for its atrocities in Chechnya. Nothing can excuse what they did, but these people have nothing to do with our fight against AQ.
” No act of ours invited the rage of the killers”
No, of course not. A century of US/British meddling in Arab countries over oil has nothing to do with their hate for us. That’s why Switzerland has so many terrorist bombings, because they are free! BTW-bombings in Bali were targetting Australians.
“Fourth, we’re determined to deny the militants control of any nation, which they would use as a home base and a launching pad for terror. ”
Except the militant US of course and their new launchpad, Iraq.
“Our goal is to defeat the terrorists and their allies at the heart of their power — and so we will defeat the enemy in Iraq.”
Iraq is the heart of their power?
“We will create enemies in Iraq, and then defeat them…”
“Wars are not won without sacrifice — and this war will require more sacrifice, more time, and more resolve.”
Yet Dubya will make no sacrifice. But he and his buddies will make a fortune off this thing. The longer it goes, the more they make.
“The terrorists are as brutal an enemy as we’ve ever faced. They’re unconstrained by any notion of our common humanity, or by the rules of warfare.”
What? Are they cheating?
“We’re standing with dissidents and exiles against oppressive regimes, because we know that the dissidents of today will be the democratic leaders of tomorrow. ”
God, we can only hope so.
Oh, you thought I was talking about the Middle East?
Look Bush worshippers, if Dubya can’t see the hypocrisy in his words, hopefully you will eventually and maybe you’ll finally see Dubya for the fraud he is. Just remember that when he asks you to sacrifice, ask him if he’s coming along for the ride.
October 6th, 2005 at 4:43 pmPosted by: Jason at October 6, 2005 02:56 PM
Remove terrorist and al-Queda for just about all of his points and you’ll see a remarkable similarity to the life of privilege, the lack of courage to fight, and the violent enaction of religious extremism of Bush himself.
It’s official: He Just Doesn’t Get It.
October 6th, 2005 at 5:01 pmWhat should we do about terrorism? Negotiate with Bin Laden? Give into their demands? How do all of you feel about becoming Muslim? Thats where you are going to end up if you concede one inch.
October 6th, 2005 at 5:04 pmHey what’ll you know. Bush’s fear-mongering speech just happens to coincide with increased warnings and suggestions of a terrorist attack in New York City.
anyone remember last year’s DNC??
October 6th, 2005 at 5:09 pmBush is a fraud. His speech was a fabrication of his own lies and hallucinations, distortions of fact, and a rewriting of history. He wants America to be afraid. He won the election on fear; he is losing credibility every week, so the time is ripe to revive the fear tactic. If we are attacked again, it will be because of Bush and his policies, not inspite of them.
Neither he nor his speechwriters can see that he is the American taliban. Preaching about hate, retribution, killing and victory, like he is Genghis Khan — except Khan was a warrior — Bush only talks like one. He himself is a coward.
Comment by Marie
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
October 6th, 2005 at 5:17 pmincidently …. the dead sea scrolls that “what’s his face†mentioned earlier actually contradict alot of the former standardized misconceptions that many still believe regarding early religious “beliefs†..the fact of the matter is … they can only be reviewed by scholars (read: those that are thoroughly dedicated to not throwing marbles on the floor of the major religious concerns at this time.) we’ll never really know the status of the cat in the box …oh darn
Comment by lower tiberius
I only have one word to say about that…Bull Shit.
October 6th, 2005 at 5:19 pmWhat should we do about terrorism? Negotiate with Bin Laden? Give into their demands? How do all of you feel about becoming Muslim? Thats where you are going to end up if you concede one inch.
Comment by Luck Fiberals — October 6, 2005 @ 5:04 pm
40 years ago:
What should we do about communism? Negotiate with Mao? Give into their demands? How do all of you feel about becoming Communist? Thats where you are going to end up if you concede one inch.
The more things change, the more things remain the same.
October 6th, 2005 at 5:28 pmWell how about going after and getting bin Laden. After all, our CIA chief has an “excellent idea” of where he is. That for starters. Who says negotiate with bin Laden?? We are currently negotiating with not only terrorists, but terrorist nation-states such as Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc.
October 6th, 2005 at 5:30 pmMary, Nice point (#32). From the excerpts I’ve been reading, today’s speech is manipulative and dishonest. (What a surprise.) It’s all tired war rhetoric and amateur psychology posing as clarification.
October 6th, 2005 at 5:30 pmLuck Fiberals,
#152, there is as much truth about terrorist trying to take over the world as there was about communism doing the same thing after world war II. Bin Laden belongs to the CIA, there is no need to negotiate with him.
Look at it this way: Osama Bin Laden blows up buildings in Saudi Arabia, the Bin Laden Group (Family construction company) get the contract to rebuild it.
Osama Bin Laden blows up the towers (or at least takes credit for it), and we invade Afghanistan and Iraq (soon to be Iran). Osama was also used by the CIA to start the conflict in the Balkans in the 90’s. He’s just a puppet, a stooge.
Would you suddenly become a Muslim just because we left Iraq and Afghanistan? Do you not have control over your own mind?
“States are not moral agents.” -Chomsky
October 6th, 2005 at 5:31 pm#153 LF: You and your kind are so weak you are pathetic. You instantly buy into all this crap. It wouldn’t surprise me if you had tin cans on trip wires at all of your doors.
Do you think bin Laden carries all his money with him? You go to the banks that cater to that piece of shit and tell them all their U.S. holdings and bank accounts will be frozen and/or seized unless they release all his assets to a neutral entity or something similar. Or to the U.S. government for that matter to pay for his actions. You tell the Saudi government point blank and matter of factly that support of him or any other radical entity will come with dire consequences. And they have hundreds of billions of dollars here too. Maybe it’s not a perfect plan but, it’s a hell of a lot better than the one we have now!
As for anyone making me become a muslim. No man has that capability over me. Maybe they do over you because you’re scared and weak, but never will I ever succomb to any religion, much less Islam, at the behest of another!
Now go hide in a closet somewhere and wait for the boogeyman to come rattle your twinkie!
October 6th, 2005 at 5:44 pm#158– I was once Muslim >, but terrorists had nothing to do with it– it was pretty much 100% my parents raising me to follow their religion. I’m agnostic now, though. Apparently the fear mongering technique will always work on a certain segment of the population, as illustrated by 158 and other posts.
October 6th, 2005 at 5:45 pmOops, looks like I unintentionally dissed an innocent bystander. I meant to say post #153.
October 6th, 2005 at 5:47 pmRidge reveals clashes on alerts
by Mimi Hall, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The Bush administration periodically put the USA on high alert for terrorist attacks even though then-Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge argued there was only flimsy evidence to justify raising the threat level, Ridge now says.
Ridge, who resigned Feb. 1, said Tuesday that he often disagreed with administration officials who wanted to elevate the threat level to orange, or “high” risk of terrorist attack, but was overruled.
His comments at a Washington forum describe spirited debates over terrorist intelligence and provide rare insight into the inner workings of the nation’s homeland security apparatus.
Ridge said he wanted to “debunk the myth” that his agency was responsible for repeatedly raising the alert under a color-coded system he unveiled in 2002.
“More often than not we were the least inclined to raise it,” Ridge told reporters. “Sometimes we disagreed with the intelligence assessment. Sometimes we thought even if the intelligence was good, you don’t necessarily put the country on (alert). … There were times when some people were really aggressive about raising it, and we said, ‘For that?’
October 6th, 2005 at 5:48 pmAnyone want to take bets on how many of these rehashed War-Is-The-Answer “speeches” Bush will make before he leaves office?
October 6th, 2005 at 5:50 pmI thought the war in Iraq was supposed to make us safer from terrorist attacks. I don’t see with today’s reports that anything has changed. More fear, more BULLSHIT!
October 6th, 2005 at 5:51 pmNew Yorkers–if you want my advice–follow Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly to work.
October 6th, 2005 at 5:55 pmEchoes of 1984 abound, Plunger. In particular these pathetic “speeches” sound like they were cobbled together by a kaleidoscope machine, the one invented to spew out pop songs and pulp fiction.
Victory against Oceania is just around the corner. . .
October 6th, 2005 at 6:04 pmDear Think Progress;
Why was my post/comment previous displayed as #151 deleted? Given that you require me to supply my email address to post, I would at least have expected to find an explanation there. I have not. Was it too long? Did it fail to meet some minimum level of inflammatory rhetoric? Was the fact that I both agreed and disagreed with the same person on a number of the points of the discussion offensive? Was actually attempting to discuss the differing points of view somehow viewed as ‘harassment’?
Some form of explanation for this removal would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
October 6th, 2005 at 6:14 pmBill McDonough
How dumb does Dumbya think WE are? WE will never be as DUMB as he is….The only ones who had “endless ambitions of IMPERIAL DOMINATION” (for Iraq’s oil) was the Emperior himself, the war mongers in the executive branch, some members of congress, the authors of PNAC, “k” street lobbists, which includes everything from the oil industry, to defense contractors and all else in between..!
They just don’t “get it”. They pulled the “bait and switch” with the Afghan War, and tried to link Iraq to that conflict. They lied about it,now they’re paying the price! THEY HAVE LOST ALL SUPPORT from the majority of the people!
Nice try Dumbya, a fancy speech ain’t gonna cut it! You and ol’ Karl better go back to the “drawing board”
Gene Campbell
October 6th, 2005 at 6:15 pmCentral Florida
aaaah, good old “nukes for jesus” right-i. funny i know plenty of intelligent conservatives, but you rarely ever see them trolling the blogs!
y’all may as well just ignore right-i, he’s a sociopath. he sits at home, he has no friends. we’re the closest thing to friends he’s got. he likes to hang out with us and try to push our buttons. he’s just biding his time until jesus returns to smite us all. then he wants to reward jesus for smiting us by sucking his cock. our lord and saviour jesus christ is hung like a roman, y’know.
APOSTASY IS THE ANSWER. IF YOU’RE TRULY TIRED OF BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF A FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN/MUSLIM WAR, THROW OFF THIS RELIGIOUS BULLSH*T. 2000 YEARS OF A LIE.
You don’t need the sin police around to tell you how to live.
October 6th, 2005 at 6:19 pm> …or lived in the wrong country, right georgie?
October 6th, 2005 at 6:27 pmME THINKS I RIGHT I IS FEELING THE VIBRATIONS OF THE WHEELS FALLING OFF.I RIGHT I DO YOU MAKE MORE THAN $250,000 A YEAR OR BETTER?IF NOT THAN YOU’D BETTER ABANDON THIS SHIP BECAUSE THE BUSHCO’S DON’T GIVE A HOOT WHAT YOU THINK OR BELIEVE BECAUSE YOU ARE SIMPLY OUT OF THEIR LEAGUE.WHEN ARE YOU PEOPLE GOING TO WAKE UP?WHEN THE RELIGOUS POLICE ARE BASHING IN YOUR DOOR TO SEE IF YOU HAVE A BIBLE HANDY?OR TO MAKE SURE YOUR NOT GIVING TO YOUR WIFE ANY WAY OTHER THAN MISSIONARY STYLE?YOU MY FRIEND NEED SOME EDUCATING.PLEASE STOP HELPING THEM DRAG US BACK INTO THE 13TH CENTURY,OK.
October 6th, 2005 at 6:29 pm#177 Progressaurus Rex: If you lived close I’d offer to buy you a beer (hell, maybe a case!). Bluntly well stated!
October 6th, 2005 at 6:42 pmBeers to you too, Matt. Excellent.
October 6th, 2005 at 6:43 pmAnd now we have Mayor Bloomberg announcing a specific threat to NYC’s subways – is there any connection? – Bush under heat, Bush makes speech to remind America about Iraq / GWOT connection, Feds tell NYC of specific threat (a threat that MSNBC is already saying is based on a “dubious” source). How many times have we seen this pattern?
October 6th, 2005 at 6:47 pm“Unhappy are the people who need heroes.â€
Comment by Elvis — October 6, 2005 @ 2:08 pm”
Elvis – you are an excellent example of
“The miserable have no heroes – to what should they aspire?”
I hope you feel better, and thank you for your service.
October 6th, 2005 at 7:41 pmEither they are really dumb or they think the American people are really dumb. Either way somebody’s really dumb and the braindead media bought right into it.
October 6th, 2005 at 8:19 pm#152
“How do all of you feel about becoming Muslim?”
About the same way I feel about becoming Christian. Nice try though.
October 6th, 2005 at 8:24 pmand now its back. curiouser and curiouser…
October 6th, 2005 at 9:01 pmmighty aphrodite,
“to what should they aspire?”
I guess you don’t hold yourself in high esteem. That’s too bad. I don’t need a “hero” to have aspirations, or to try and live up to my own standards and desires. Live your life for yourself, and not in the image of someone else.
But then, the “right” are sheep anyway, so it figures you’d say something like that.
October 6th, 2005 at 10:17 pm“Elvis – you are an excellent example of
“The miserable have no heroes – to what should they aspire?â€
I hope you feel better, and thank you for your service.
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
Just hilarious. The person who’s nickname is the goddess of superficiality, vanity and manipulation picks on elvis… How appropriate. You know the goddess aphrodite suffered from similar weaknesses of character as you appear to, you clearly chose your ‘hero’ well…
And while we’re on heroes, clearly the god of war is yours, as you spout hatred, violence and venom befitting both ‘mars’ and terrorism..
October 6th, 2005 at 11:49 pmWhat the Fcken going on with sicko, bush MURDERS these INNOCENT people such as 9/11 and Iraq. Why would sicko walk away without being charge for all these he done murder but he never stop murdering people GOD DIDNT TELL HIM WHAT TO DO, HE MADE HIS MIND TO CHOICE WHAT HE WANTED TO DO. i am waiting to see him IMPEACH IMPEACH. why it taken so long to wait for him to IMPEACH.
October 7th, 2005 at 1:16 amIt’s
about
MONEY;
It’s
about
VOTING MACHINES;
It’s
about
ELECTIONS.
It’s
about
MONEY;
It’s
about
VOTING MACHINES;
It’s
about
ELECTIONS.
It’s
about
MONEY;
It’s
about
VOTING MACHINES;
It’s
about
ELECTIONS.
It’s
about
MONEY;
It’s
about
VOTING MACHINES;
It’s
about
ELECTIONS.
It’s about CONTROL.
DO…YOU…GET…IT??!!
October 7th, 2005 at 2:57 amI-RIGHT-I: You are a psychopath…the right is never right, period, sicko. Your posts reflect not only an innate stupidity, but a complete lack of ability to argue intelligently…in other words, you’re a clown like the buffoons you support. Now if you could argue like a sentient human being, maybe one could listen to you. But being that right wing nut jobs usually exhibit as much brain power as a slug, such a prospect is not likely. I have not read one of your posts that didn’t sound like some petulant brat sticking his tongue out, giving a rasberry. Hardly the stuff of logical debate. I would love to see someone from the right argue a point here without resorting to such infantile behavior. Am I asking too much? I guess I am when I see the Chimpanzee-cum-President giving another one of his pep rallies for the faithful like I-RIGHT-I, who no matter what dreck and BS he was fed by his fearless leader-in-halfwitedness, he would follow like the clear lemming he is. But then again all the Bush boot lickers like him are lemmings…why do you think Bush has surrounded himself with yes-men and women (Harriet Miers the latest fembot example)? Has Bush heard one word of truth uttered in his Emperor’s ear during his reign? I think not. That is why it is so pathetic to see mental defectives like I-RIGHT-I ass licking for Bush. America has had it with you and your lot. The jig is up…the whole lot of religious freaks, racist ninnies and whacked out corporate clowns are through. Bush and his band of thieves tried to turn America into Taliban West, and it ain’t gonna happen…zealotry, whether of Islamic extremists or Christian fanatics, will be expunged. These maggots of treachery said they would reset America’s moral compass, when in fact they have befouled it beyond recognition. Their skulduggery and lust for power, money and control have shown no bounds. Their downfall will be swift, brutal, and cruel, and it couldn’t happen to a more vile bunch.
October 7th, 2005 at 4:33 amMore attempts at terrorizing the people, by the Projection Administration. Fear only works so long, then it starts working against the terrorists in the Bush administartion, who have used terror far more effectively than bin Laden, if he still even exists.
Demand Impeachment!!!!
October 7th, 2005 at 7:34 amEverything—WITHOUT EXCEPTION—Bush says refers to himself.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:44 amTake that to the sociopathic bank.
I-RIGHT-I: You are a psychopath…the right is never right, period, sicko…. [snip moonbat mantra] ….Their downfall will be swift, brutal, and cruel, and it couldn’t happen to a more vile bunch.
Comment by Murton
Relax Murton, one of these days you’ll grow out of hormone induced idiocy along with your pimples. But just so you know….we already own your ass and you’re thirty years too late to make any difference to the Filthy Left one way or another.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:07 amThe sentence in Bush’s speech that caught my eye was this: “In truth, they have endless ambitions of imperial domination and they wish to make everyone powerless except themselves.” He’s talking about his own administration! Anyone not familiar with Project for a New American Century (PNAC), google it. The document, signed off by Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, Libby, Kristol etc., talks about global domination by the US and even space domination. They also say that what is needed is another Pearl Harbor. PNAC has been largely ignored by the mainstream media. This country is in a horrible mess, thanks to George Bush and the people behind him. Most of the world disagrees with US policies. The Most frightening of all is the huge debt owed to China. China is quietly watching and waiting.
October 7th, 2005 at 9:49 amAhh, U-Wrong-U is at it again. Can’t argue a point on it’s merits so he resorts to insults. Typical toadie behavior. All he can ever do is either be insulting or try in vain to paraphrase his drug addled guru, Rush Limpdick to try to one-up his political adversary.
Since he won’t read and think for himself and engage in proper debate I’ll sink momentarily to his level so that he can easily understand how we feel about him. You are a braindead, moronic, toadie, right wing whacko, dipshit sub-human.
Wow! That felt good! Now I know why he insults people smarter than he is all the time… it’s all he has!
Wait… wait… here they come. The retaliatory remarks from the wizard of the wrong!
October 7th, 2005 at 10:20 amI RIGHT I,YOU AND WHO ELSE OWN MURTON’S”FILTHY ASS”?30YRS TO LATE FOR WHAT?IS THERE ANY RATIONALE AT ALL TO WHAT YOU SAY?I’M SORRY TO INFORM YOU THAT THE RIGHTS DAYS ARE MOST DEFINETLY NUMBERED.YOU REALLY NEED TO WAKE MAN.THESE PEOPLE HAVE NOTHING BUT CONTEMPT FOR THE AVERAGE JOE AND I SUSPECT YOU TOO FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.UNLESS OF COURSE YOUR REAL NAME IS KENNY LAY OR MAYBE BILL O’REILLY OR MAYBE SEAN HANNITYOR MAYBE YOUR ACTUALLY HARRIET MIERS.REGARDLESS YOU SHOULD LAY OFF WHATEVER SUBSTANCE IT IS THAT YOUR ABUSING AND COME BACK TO REALITY IF YOUR NOT TO FAR GONE ALREADY.I PITY YOU MAN.YOU NEED HELP.SEEK IT QUICKLY.
October 7th, 2005 at 10:26 amIf any person not associated with the right wing believes this bs, we’re in a heap of trouble. It is time for a Democrat to step up to the plate and display some spine and hold a press conference to deflate all the bs the president laid on us today. WHERE’S THE FREAKING PLANS!!
October 7th, 2005 at 10:48 am====================================================
Hahahahhahaha ya RIGHT! The Demos are a bunch of pussies. I voted for them for the past two years. I waited in despair for Kerry to say who we ARE going to attack for 9/11 … he never said. And that is why we anti-rightwingers lost. 9/11 was like Pearl Harbor. FDR first thing sent a bombing raid against Tokyo. Bush instead reaffirmed his ‘friendship’ with the 9/11 version of Tokyo. And what did the Democrats do about it? NOTHING! I have yet to hear a single democrat DEMAND that we go on a WWII style attack on the people that did 9/11 to us (Saudi Arabia) nor the country that has the ‘MUSLIM BOMB’ and is the current host of Osama (Pakistan). Where is todays FDR? Our captain is an idiot surrounded by NeoCon little devils sitting on his shoulder and the ‘opposition’ are a bunch of cowards. America is lost.
Ahh, U-Wrong-U is at it again. Can’t argue a point on it’s merits so he resorts to insults
Comment by Mr. Evil-doer
I think you’ve got it backwards sweetheart. The dipshit in question didn’t try to make a point other than little ‘ol conservatives like me will soon die a horrible death.
If you losers have a point to make I’ve yet to see it.
October 7th, 2005 at 11:33 amI RIGHT I,YOU AND WHO ELSE OWN MURTON’Sâ€FILTHY ASSâ€?30YRS TO LATE FOR WHAT?IS THERE ANY RATIONALE AT ALL TO WHAT YOU SAY?I’M SORRY TO INFORM YOU THAT THE RIGHTS DAYS ARE MOST DEFINETLY NUMBERED.YOU REALLY NEED TO WAKE MAN. [snip the rest of the nonsense]
Comment by Lambert
I didn’t say Murton’s ass was filthy. But you could be right about that. Yep, thirty years. The left started falling apart right after Vietnam. The old Leftist brain trust is either dead or Neo-con. Now you’re just a bunch of whining, seething dirty little bastards without ideas, ideals or motivation. This is you….
“At the core of modern liberalism is the spoiled child — miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats.”
And this is you…
But the new rebel [Leftist] is a Skeptic, and will not entirely trust anything. He has no loyalty; therefore he can never be really a revolutionist. And the fact that he doubts everything really gets in his way when he wants to denounce anything. For all denunciation implies a moral doctrine of some kind; and the modern revolutionist doubts not only the institution he denounces, but the doctrine by which he denounces it. Thus he writes one book complaining that imperial oppression insults the purity of women, and then he writes another book (about the sex problem) in which he insults it himself. He curses the Sultan because Christian girls lose their virginity, and then curses Mrs. Grundy because they keep it. As a politician, he will cry out that war is a waste of life, and then, as a philosopher, that all life is waste of time. A Russian pessimist will denounce a policeman for killing a peasant, and then prove by the highest philosophical principles that the peasant ought to have killed himself. A man denounces marriage as a lie, and then denounces aristocratic profligates for treating it as a lie. He calls a flag a bauble, and then blames the oppressors of Poland or Ireland because they take away that bauble. The man of this school goes first to a political meeting, where he complains that savages are treated as if they were beasts; then he takes his hat and umbrella and goes on to a scientific meeting, where he proves that they practically are beasts. In short, the modern revolutionist, being an infinite skeptic, is always engaged in undermining his own mines. In his book on politics he attacks men for trampling on morality; in his book on ethics he attacks morality for trampling on men. Therefore the modern man in revolt has become practically useless for all purposes of revolt. By rebelling against everything he has lost his right to rebel against anything.
G.K. Chesterton, Chapter III The Suicide of Thought, Orthodoxy 1908
Just a bunch of tree hugging, animal loving, homosexuals and bitter old women too ugly to get a man. The Left is dead and all that remains is a few brainless Walking Dead Losers. Fortunately most of you will snap out of it by the time you’re thirty. If not we’ve still got those re-education camps set up for you in West Texas where we can keep an eye on you.
October 7th, 2005 at 11:52 amright i–
unless you’re part of Jackass: Blogger’s Edition, I fail to see any purpose in your comments.
October 7th, 2005 at 11:58 amSo IRI, you hate trees – we hug them
you hate animals – we love their companionship and loyalty, oh and their soft fuzzy fur
you hate homosexuals – we cherish their friendship no matter who they go to bed with, because that is not our business and does not hurt us
you hate ugly old women – we think they are fine no matter what they look like as we can learn a LOT from our elders
Ummm okay, guilty. Geez you are hateful.
October 7th, 2005 at 12:52 pmRemember, it takes more muscles to frown than to smile. Are we really reduced to talking to the trolls like children? Is their breeding and education so devoid of sympathy and reason?
Ahh, the stressful life as a troll. Whew, I think I’ll err on the side of intelligence rather than ignorance.
October 7th, 2005 at 12:56 pmBush speech was full of Freudian statements that expose what he and his cronies are really all about. They are robbing our government, undermining our democracy, and killing innocent people. We must fight back now. Visit my website to learn more:
http://fixco1.com
October 7th, 2005 at 1:07 pmI RIGHT I,I AM 47YRS OLD,SO I GUESS THAT STUPID STATEMENT ABOUT SNAPPING OUT OF IT WHEN I’M PAST 30 IS ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR RIDICULOUS THEORIES BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER JUST AS THE CHIMPS PRESIDENCY IS ABOUT TO BE BLOWN OUT OF WASHINGTON.YOU ARE A SELF LOATHING INDIVIDUAL WITH NO SELF ESTEEM PROBABLY BECAUSE YOUR MOMMA USE TO BEAT YOU WITH A BIBLE WHEN SHE’D CATCH YOU JACKING OFF.GO BACK TO JACKING OFF INSTEAD OF DEBATING BECAUSE YOU SUCK AT IT.WHAT AN IDIOT.
October 7th, 2005 at 1:16 pmAND WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED WITH MURTONS ASS ANYWAY?ARE YOU A CLOSET QUEEN MAYBE?
October 7th, 2005 at 1:19 pmI-R-I: If you losers have a point to make I’ve yet to see it.
Actually many various points have been made. Re-read from the beginning and find the points (amidst the admitted other, less consequential material, but this is not the Senate or House floor – this is a blog, and “having a point” is not absolutely necessary at every step). However, your own contribution has not been full of “points”. So far, on this discussion, you contribute 21 posts. 2 are brief questions, 3 are statements, and the other 16 are entirely or contain insults or threats. Over 75% of your ‘contribution’ to this site are insults. Mighty Aphrodite has a worse record: 100% threat/insult (and both of these tallies are consistent with postings by the same two elsewhere). I-R-I, MA, NED (where are you ned?….) and your ilk regularly refuse to answer direct questions. The few times that you deign to offer a (usually rehashed talking point) response it is filled with baseless invective and vitriol. On a rightwing blog if you voice dissent or insult others personally for their political (or other) beliefs then you are blocked and purged. This is the rightwing idea of democacy and freedom: “Do it OUR way and shut up.” My point? You are allowed on a progessive site to speak your opinion, even if it is filled with threats and insults. The progressives are, by this example, more open minded and thus have a better grasp of what freedom and democracy are. But please keep posting. The occasional attempts to present some form of an argument stimulate thought, and clarify the totalitarianism of the rightwing agenda.
October 7th, 2005 at 1:23 pmEvery one else, please don’t just ignore them. Don’t go too far off point (like this), unless you have a reason for doing so, but respond to them. Not for their benefit (their minds, by all that I have read, are closed and will not accept anything you say as truth – note that they believe that they have won any argument that they entered into, even if their only response was, “You are a dirty-pants poo-poo head.”), but do so for your benefit. If this site were like the rightwing sites (no dissedence allowed) it would just be a wash of self-righteousness. The only argument that democracy has as being a ’superior’ governemntal style to others is that (when it is functional) it relies upon a VARIETY of differing opinions issued by rational people who COMPROMISE (conservatives – look up that word) and find a (true – well as true as humanly possible) MIDDLE GROUND. The elimination of an entire group of thought (i.e. “Die liberals, die!”) is not democracy and is not freedom: it is suppression of thought, and the governmental type does not matter (nor exonerate). Any government can be corrupt and totalitarian. Even one clothed in ‘democracy’. Let them speak. If it is nonsense, then only respond if you want to. But show them that this is a clear difference in ideology:
modern rightwing conservative = suppression of thought
modern “liberal” = freedom of thought.
The disparity in the actions of these blogs display this difference even at this low of a level (blogs).
We need to get rid of Bush and everyone in his party. Vote Democratic for all Senators and the House if we have to so our country will not support Bush and his high ass cronies to destroy our country and other countries across the world. It won’t be long before we are into a government that controls each and every citizen if Bush gets his agenda through the Senate and the House. Wake up people before it really is to late. Bush wants to be a dictator and it will certainly be worse then Hitler…
October 7th, 2005 at 1:29 pmIri– closet bone smuggler. Loves the subject. He can’t do the job as a “top” so he must be a “bottom” all the time. This is the source of great frustration and anger causing him to lash out at all you hetero’s on TP.
October 7th, 2005 at 1:35 pmokay, back to the subject of fear-mongering as a substitute for information:
October 7th, 2005 at 1:53 pmi think both sides use fear mongering tactics, although liberals and conservatives fear different things.
when people in general, regardless of how they identify, stop allowing their panic buttons to be pushed by the repetition of key phrases, we can get somewhere.
mysticagent, I guess a blow job is out of the question?
October 7th, 2005 at 1:54 pmokay, back to the subject of fear-mongering as a substitute for information:
Comment by Bunny poo poo
Bunny,
What part of they want to kill you don’t you understand? Go the MEMRI website and read the translations of the threats. What part of they’ve been bombing and killing us for over twenty years makes you think that “fear mongering” is a legitimate complaint?
This is the kind of stupid head in the sand thinking that keeps Donks out of power and totally out of step with 80% of the American people. Talk and bullshit all you want but we, the American people with a brain will not allow you Leftwing fringe dolts get us all killed.
There is no excuse for a literate American with access to the internet to believe we are not at war with a large group of dedicated assassins. None.
October 7th, 2005 at 2:34 pmBut remember, I-RIGHT-I, libs LOVE everyone (except conservatives) and are convinced of their ability “reason” with fanatical Islamofascists – I just don’t know how they intend to accomplish that from the grave.
October 7th, 2005 at 2:51 pmI-R-I: What’s your point?
October 7th, 2005 at 3:19 pmlisten U-WRONG-U i think you’re just as confused as we are when listening to your president/shepherd. that small percentage of radical ideologues who wanna kill americans is no larger than that of radical ideologues in this country who want to kill all minorities. if this crap is about terrorism (its not) then why is your shepherd not threatning Saudi Arabia. i havent really heard of Iraqis participating in 9-11, U? All this “they wanna kill you”, “our way of life is threatened”, “freedom is in jeopardy”, blah blah blah…i worry more about the klan and those other underground nazi/racists who probably live next door to me or even worse run the white house.
read 1984, ask your shepherd first though
or…GO BACK TO SLEEP!
October 7th, 2005 at 3:19 pmI’LL BE THE ONE TO PROTECT YOU FROM
YOUR ENEMIES AND ALL YOUR DEMONS
I’LL BE THE ONE TO PROTECT YOU FROM
A WILL TO SURVIVE AND A VOICE OF REASON
I’LL BE THE ONE TO PROTECT YOU FROM
YOUR ENEMIES AND YOUR CHOICES, SON
THEYRE ONE IN THE SAME I MUST ISOLATE YOU
ISOLATE AND SAVE YOU FROM YOURSELF…
Swayin to the rhythm of the new world order and
Count the bodies like sheep (thats u) to the rhythm of the war drums
The boogeymen are coming
The boogeymen are coming
Keep your head down, go to sleep, to the rhythm of a war drums
Stay with me
October 7th, 2005 at 3:26 pmSafe and ignorant
Just stay with me
Hold you and protect you from the other ones
The evil ones
Don’t love you son,
Go back to sleep
I-R-I: What’s your point?
Comment by mysticagent
The point is I’m so dang busy today that’s all the pithy comeback I had time for.
PS…If you’re a male moonbat please disregard the pithy comeback. If you are female, under 35, single, attractive, height & weight proportionate and Anglo please forward your pic and most recent STD evaluation and we’ll talk about that BJ a little more. OK…to be fair you don’t have to be Anglo but that’s a plus.
October 7th, 2005 at 3:46 pmFirst posting here.
I’m with posts #186 and #196. Everything is illusion, and is set up to divide and conquer the masses.
Everyone in this country that is currently sleeping, afraid of the Avain Flu, living in a state of fear waiting for the next TERRORist attack, afraid of those of a darker hue, afraid of the homosexuals, etc… needs to wake up – as soon as possible.
October 7th, 2005 at 4:00 pmFirst posting here.
I’m with posts #186 and #196. Everything is illusion, and is set up to divide and conquer the masses.
Everyone in this country that is currently sleeping, afraid of the Avain Flu, living in a state of fear waiting for the next TERRORist attack, afraid of those of a darker hue, afraid of the homosexuals, etc… needs to wake up – as soon as possible.
Comment by mrshub
Fine and dandy mrshub. If that’s how you feel why don’t you just sit back, fire up another blunt and don’t worry about it? I’ll keep an eye out for Muslim head choppers for you and the Lefties around here can watch your back and make sure nobody bothers you while you get high and download child porno.
October 7th, 2005 at 4:06 pmi’m so touched by your concern, u-wrong-u!
there are lots of people who might like to see me dead, including, as guru mentioned, many of your right wing friends who don’t like my kind because i embody their racial fears.
i’m independent and i’d be happy to vote republican if i thought they were any better than democrats at governing the country.
i can acknowledge that there are people out there who are willing to kill me because i’m american. but i can also acknowledge that these people can’t be written off as merely evil. they have their reasons, and a lot of those reasons are directly attributable to our country’s abuse of its power.
i’m tired of paying fear-based taxes that are used to fund the weapons industry so that we can continue to violently defend our piggy “American way of life.”
October 7th, 2005 at 4:11 pmThanks IRI – I truly feel welcome! You keep living the American dream, nightmare, etc…
Your comments are bigoted and ignorant – after reading everything else you’ve posted, I would expect nothing less.
October 7th, 2005 at 4:14 pmTHATS A VERY GOOD POINT GURU BRINGS UP ABOUT SAUDI ARABIA AND WHY WE DIDN’T WHACK THESE GUYS WHEN IT WAS A KNOWN FACT THAT AT LEAST 17 OF THE HI JACKERS WERE OF SAUDI ORIGIN AND I THINK THE OTHER 2 WERE FROM YEMEN?AND WHY WERE THE BIN LADENS AT BUSHES PLACE IN TEXAS ON THAT VERY MORNING?THESE ARE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD ALL BE ASKING WHETHER LEFT RIGHT CENTER UP DOWN CROSSWAYS OR WHATEVER.I’M JUST AMAZED THAT THESE LITTLE PECULARITIES GO COMPLETLEY UNQUESTIONED BY THESE BONEHEADED FANATICS ON THE RIGHT AND OUR MSM.I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE ANSWERS AND I THINK WE SHOULD GET THEM.HOWEVER THE AMERICAN PEOPLE JUST DON’T SEEM TO CARE OR MOST LIKELY ARE JUST NOT INFORMED.THIS IS A VERY SCARY THING.AND QUITE FRANKLY I THINK YOU SHOULD ALL BE COMPASSIONATE TOWARDS I RIGHT I FOR HE KNOWS NOT WHAT HE SPEAKS OF.HE IS OBVIOUSLY JUST ANOTHER PRODUCT OF THE LIES AND DECEPTIONS PUT FORTH BY THE CHIMP AND BLOWHARDS LIKE LIMPDICK AND O’REILLY THE HUMAN DILDO.I WOULD NOW LIKE TO TAKE THE TIME TO TIP MY HAT TO MR EVIL AND MYSTICAGENT AND ALL YOU OTHER LIKEMINDED MOST EXCELLENT HUMAN BEINGS ON THIS BLOG.MAY YOUR DAYS BE LONG AND PLEASANT.
October 7th, 2005 at 4:30 pmMatt (sorry, MATT);
The questions have been answered, time and again, ad nauseum.
Why didn’t we go after Saudi Arabia when 17 Saudi citizens perpetrated an horrific attack on the US under the orders of an organization (then) headquartered in Afghanistan?
Cuz, uhm, the guys calling the shots were in Afghanistan. Imagine that.
Why were the Bin Ladens in Texas, and then shuttled out of the country under the radar?
Well, mostly because Osama’s the black sheep of the family, and he’s directed a fair share of his vitriol and venom at his homeland and his relatives, too. The family != Osama. Osama =! his entire family. If your cousin kills a man, do we execute you? The bin Laden (or, as many of them have purposefully altered the spelling to distance themselves from Osama, ben Ladin) family was protected, then gotten out of the country, specifically to avoid the kind of immediate backlash they might otherwise have faced. ‘They’s Binladens! Git ‘em, Bobby-Sue-Elly-Joe-Mae!’
These ‘peculiarities’ didn’t go unquestioned, and the questions didn’t go unanswered. The media has covered this, the 9/11 commission covered this, heck, Richard Clarke’s book covered this.
Bush & Co have a lot to answer for. They’ve displayed a nigh-treasonous level of disrespect and disregard for the very Constitution they’ve sworn to uphold, and to the principles of the men who crafted it. But please, please, let’s not get distracted and sidetracked screaming about unanswered questions and seeing conspiracy in things that have been looked into, judged to be normal, responsible results, and set aside.
No matter what else they are, even they can’t be soulless monsters 100% of the time.
And… just as a side request… take off the capslock, please?
October 7th, 2005 at 4:45 pmAs for U-Wrong-U thinking it’s somehow bad to like trees I’d like to educate him just a little. If we didn’t have trees we wouldn’t have oxygen. Without oxygen we wouldn’t have life. Without life there wouldn’t be a U-Wrong-U. So swallow your foolish pride (or whatever else it is that you like to swallow) and go hug a tree. They are the very things that give forth life giving oxygen and the ability for you to spew your hateful, bigoted, sexist blather.
October 7th, 2005 at 4:53 pmOk caps lock off.But i was under the impression that when murder is committed the first thing you do is question family members,right?So whats the answer to this insignificant anomaly?hmm?Or do we just round them up and ship them back to the comfort and safety of their homeland in Bushworld?Just wondering.
October 7th, 2005 at 5:01 pmI-R-I: ref post 219
Threats are merely words. They WANT to kill us all. Sure. You don’t kill someone for making threats. You investigate to determine the validity of the threat, and act appropriately. Al Qeda was a small, scattered (though worldwide) gang of thugs prior to the invasion of Iraq. Our presence there (and that WE took out THEIR resident enemy, Hussein)has given them the momentum to be an actual movement. Where’s Ladin’s head? Bush promised it to us, and it has yet to be delivered. Yes, they kill, but, as we have seen, you are not going to take them down by storming a country where they had an insignifigant presence (I say HAD).
October 7th, 2005 at 6:03 pmThere is not (yet) a claim that this avian flu pandemic is an Al Qeda plot. It is being played up to stir up fear. And the threats of martial law being declared within the US to quarrantine this pandemic are legitamite (that is, I believe that they can and will do so), though irrational (do they plan on shooting every bird or mosquito that tries to cross the cordoned area? … what do you shoot a mosquito with?….).
If after 9/11 we would have gone immediately and ruthlessly after Bin Laden and his Al Qeda then we would not have this mess. Taking him out right NOW would still help some. It was the far rightwing (i.e. those in power) who didn’t want Bin Laden. They didn’t care. They wanted some oil, and a war (see PNAC for more details). Who made the calls back then, and who failed you then? Liberals didn’t. Liberals wanted Ladin as bad as the rest of the country.
Actually we are not at “war”. America did not declare war: Bush declared his personal ideological war against a shadowy and ill-defined foe (you can always claim there are “terrorists”, just depends on the definition,and this administration has been sketchy on defining their words and phrases – it is easier to change the meaning if you never gave it in the first place). If you can’t define the enemy as a legitimate enemy (see all the arguments about “enemy combatants” and such used to deny the application of the Geneva Conventions and fundamental ideas of American Justice) then how can you declare “war” on them? This is a “war”, but a “war” with no more substance as a national rally for “war” than the “war on poverty” or the “war on drugs”. If they would actually target the terrorists, get Bin Ladin, and quit trying to “bring democracy” to other countries I, and I am sure MANY other non-conservatives would be right behind them. This isn’t about terrorism to the administration. It’s about money and control.
i’m so touched by your concern, u-wrong-u!
there are lots of people who might like to see me dead, including, as guru mentioned, many of your right wing friends who don’t like my kind because i embody their racial fears.
Comment by Bunny Yummi Yummi
You’re an Ornamental right? All the right wingers I know are highly appreciative of the various and sundry Ornamentals that decorate and enhance our landscape. I just wish you guys would stop eating dogs and that kind of stuff. Just so you know, people don’t actually have racial fears, they have racial preferences and all people no matter their race will from time to time point out certain inadequacies of some other racial group. That’s life, that’s people. It’s the Muslims that will f’ing kill you though and they come in all colors. Don’t forget it.
October 7th, 2005 at 6:05 pmWhat ever became of that neutron bomb? You know the one that wouldn’t destroy the environment too badly, but would just target living organisms within a 10 mile radius. Anyway, I was wondering,do any of you liberals think it would be ok for us to just test one or two in the outskirts of Bagdad? I what you’re thinking, “too noisy” right. Well just a thought.
October 7th, 2005 at 6:18 pmI-R-I: 236
October 7th, 2005 at 6:38 pmTalking point: insults detract from your arguments. Your first three sentences have no value to your argument and belittle your own person, thus affecting your own credibility.
You are right that most people have and will, time to time, exhibit racial preferences. Most people also will not utilize their ‘racial preferences’ to harm others. Certain people DO have racial fears. These are the ones who join and participate in the KKK (and if you happen to be ‘on the list’ THEY (good, God-fearing Americans) will F’ing kill you, too). The Islamic terrorists don’t want to kill you because of race, though. They want to kill you because of a difference in ideology. I am sure they would gladly let anyone join thier suicide bomber ranks regardless of race – its the ideology that drives them. You cannot surpress a strongly felt ideology with military force. It has never been done.
The terrorist leaders don’t care about enemy body counts any more than our military does. Their main weapon is not the bombs and dead bodies – it is the FEAR. By overreacting we play right into their hands. By manufacturing terror threat levels and hiding from shadows is a win for them. When our freedoms are surpressed in the name of “security” the terrorists win. The terrorists have been “winning” this conflict since it began: we (as a nation in general) are fearful, and our government increases that fear (for their own ends) at every opportunity: frredoms are lost or restricted: Big Brother steps in (Patriot Act, et. al.): military stretched so thin there aren’t enough Guardsmen in the country to aid their own homes when disaster strikes (and the goverment was not all that good at helping… and still isn’t: prices of necessities (like oil) have risen high enough that it is adversely affecting the life of the average American (and THAT is one thing the extremists REALLY hate: our free and, for most part(when the economy is good) luxurious lifestyle. We give in to the terrorists by being fearful (as a nation) and reactionary.
It sounds like you claim that all Muslims are radical Islamic terrorists.
War Protest – Nov 10 2005 Take a day off! – Please Read
If you feel, as the majority of Americans and people throughout the world do, that the war in Iraq is wrong, and you wish you had a way to show the Bush Administration, the Government of the United States, and the world, how you feel about it, then join us in our world wide walk out on November 10th 2005.
Show the world how you feel, and just how many of us feel this way. Let’s drive the point home by taking away from them their most precious item; money.
On November 10th 2005, unless you hold a position which people rely upon in the event of an emergency (you work at a hospital, a firemen, policemen etc), don’t go to work. Try not to drive your car; don’t watch T.V.; don’t use the internet. Stay at home. Read a book. Play with your kids. Engage in a hobby.
Plan a vacation day at work. Call in sick. Use your best judgment on how to take this day off.
If we don’t get their attention this way, we’ll just do it again, until we do.
If the people speak, and speak together, they have to listen.
Please email this to as many of your friends and colleagues as you wish/can.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:45 pmIt’s really a shame that what started out as a serious subject on this site degenorated to nasty rhetoric and silly name calling. This country is in real trouble as a result of a stolen election in 2000 and an ignorant electorate in 2004. Forget about the nasty Republican troll. He’s obviously enjoying himself at the moment. We know the truth. George’s numbers are in the toilet. His own party is turning on him. Eventually even the troll boy will see the light.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:51 pmDarn it Smedley, you guys picked the same day as us. We thought Nov.10th would be the day where we would show our support for the War effort. We plan on showing this support by making sure we all makes it to work that day, even if we are a little ill. No car pooling either, we’ll all be driving individual vehicles wherever possible. Oh yeah, and we will just keep doing this every day too, until you guys start to pay attention and listen to reason.
October 7th, 2005 at 9:02 pmMatt;
Given that the family a)had very publically broken ties with Osama, and b)wasn’t much likely to go anyplace lawyers couldn’t follow (Saudi Arabia? Please. ‘Let’s run to where the US has a military presence that’s pissing off our relative!’), shipping them off home to ensure their safety wasn’t exactly a skullduggerous move.
Wanna question them? About what? Did Osama do it? We got that evidence quickly enough. Where is he? We knew, more or less. So what questions do you have for the family members?
October 7th, 2005 at 9:15 pm#241 TCP: Pay attention? Why do you think we are all here on Think Progress? It’s because we pay attention very well.
Hmmm…. lies about WMD, about firing people within the administration for leaking classified information, about the tax cuts, about social security being bankrupt by 2042, about why we went to Iraq, etc., etc.
These lies mean nothing to you? What about all the billions that Halliburton has received since the “war effort” began? What about the missing $9 billion missing? 9 BILLION DOLLARS MISSING?! How in the Hell can a supposedly responsible entity such as The United States Government misplace that incredible amount of money and not know where it is?! This is acceptable to you?!!
Now explain to all of us here how you can define that as any semblance of reason? We’re paying attention.
October 7th, 2005 at 9:26 pmComment by mysticagent —
“I-R-I: 236
Talking point: insults detract from your arguments. Your first three sentences have no value to your argument and belittle your own person, thus affecting your own credibility.”
Oh please. My credibility with y’all was shot the minute I self identified as a 2.5 ton 4X4, 12mpg driving WASP from Texas who voted for Bush. But you know my main complaint with the Left, besides being mostly pagan sexual libertines with an abortionist on call, traitorous vermin who hates our President but never met a sociopath murderous dictator they couldn’t like is…you people have no sense of humor.
“You are right that most people have and will, time to time, exhibit racial preferences. Most people also will not utilize their ‘racial preferences’ to harm others. Certain people DO have racial fears. These are the ones who join and participate in the KKK (and if you happen to be ‘on the list’ THEY (good, God-fearing Americans) will F’ing kill you, too).”
Who are we talking about here? I’d say about .0003% of the population and that includes the radical Negro’s, Mexicans and the Chinese Mafia who don’t like anyone either and will kill you just as soon as look at you. On the other hand you have radical Islam.
I don’t know what the percentage is of those willing to pick up arms and fight and kill for the moon god Allah but I do suspect that the percentage of Muslims that agree with their tactics and who will actively support them is very, very high. It’s my opinion that the numbers who actively or passively support Islamist extremism is so high in the Muslim world that it is going to take a horrendous number of Muslim deaths to change the hearts and minds of the average Muslim from passive support to active resistance of the fundamentalist Islamist.
One chance to avoid that is the formation of liberal Islamic democracies in the Middle East. Thanks to Bush this is happening despite the hostility of the Islamist appeasers in Europe and the US. To oppose democratization and liberalism in the Middle East is to set the stage for the greatest killing field the world has ever seen. If the USA is hit with a nuclear or bio weapon that kills hundreds of thousands of us there will be tens of millions of Muslims dead in the following few days. Americans will demand it and it will happen.
“The Islamic terrorists don’t want to kill you because of race, though. They want to kill you because of a difference in ideology. I am sure they would gladly let anyone join their suicide bomber ranks regardless of race – its the ideology that drives them. You cannot suppress a strongly felt ideology with military force. It has never been done.”
Suppress is the wrong word. Defeat is what we’re looking for and it has been done in Europe. The Crusades were the result of fanatical Muslim expansionism and it took the combined forces of Christian Europe to turn them back to North Africa. But they have not given up.
“The terrorist leaders don’t care about enemy body counts any more than our military does. Their main weapon is not the bombs and dead bodies – it is the FEAR. By overreacting we play right into their hands.”
You sound European. Any positive move to stem the tide or resist the onslaught is seen as over reacting. There is no alternative to what we are doing other than cowardice in the fact of the threat and appeasement. (See Spain and the majority of W. Europe for details on cowardice and appeasement) See President Thomas Jefferson and President George W. Bush for details on how to handle the Barbary Pirates)
“By manufacturing terror threat levels and hiding from shadows is a win for them. When our freedoms are surpressed in the name of “security†the terrorists win. The terrorists have been “winning†this conflict since it began: we (as a nation in general) are fearful, and our government increases that fear (for their own ends) at every opportunity: frredoms are lost or restricted: Big Brother steps in (Patriot Act, et. al.):”
Nonsense. I’ve yet to hear of any loss of Liberty. The only thing about the stricter security is the absolute idiocy driven by the ACLU and other Left Wing Terrorist Supporting Agencies like CAIR of not being allowed to profile suspects at air ports. I don’t know about you but it pisses me off to see little old ladies strip searched in order to get on a plane. That is the Left’s doing.
“military stretched so thin there aren’t enough Guardsmen in the country to aid their own homes when disaster strikes (and the goverment was not all that good at helping… ”
Nonsense.
“and still isn’t: prices of necessities (like oil) have risen high enough that it is adversely affecting the life of the average American (and THAT is one thing the extremists REALLY hate: our free and, for most part(when the economy is good) luxurious lifestyle.”
More nonsense. The government doesn’t control the price of oil or gasoline. But here’s a little tid bit for you hot off the presses. The Donks are holding up a bill that would help get some new gas refineries built. You know we haven’t built one here for over thirty years because of the difficulty and expense thanks to environmental regulations and hostility including law suits from the Greens.
The fundamentalist Muslims hate us because A: we are infidel B: we are a polluted society of hedonistic libertines that practice obscenity in almost every area of our culture and that runs counter to everything they hold to be true and good. I’m afraid I have to agree with them. Everything the Left holds dear is to them evil. In this fundamentalist Christians and Muslims agree. Where we disagree is the method preferred to correct the problem. They want to cut off your heads. Speaking only for myself…I like the idea of hanging you from the nearest lamp post or feeding you to the sharks off the coast of Club Gitmo.
“We give in to the terrorists by being fearful (as a nation) and reactionary.
It sounds like you claim that all Muslims are radical Islamic terrorists. ”
The Muslim can not deny his faith. The Muslim faith calls for global conversion. They don’t all throw bombs but if you’ll notice very few have anything to say or do to make it stop. The reason for that is simple. They all believe it’s what God has called them to do.
October 8th, 2005 at 9:13 amI thought President Bush did a great job setting out what’s going on in his speech. Do you understand that when these guys attack (al-qaeda) they won’t care what party you belong to. This is truly a world war, and Iraq is now a part of it. We can agreee or disagree about whether it was in the beggining, but I think that any reasonable person would agree that it is now.
You all need to grow up and face the facts that we are in a war for the survival of our country as we know it. As a previous commenter said; “The Muslim can not deny his faith. The Muslim faith calls for global conversion. They don’t all throw bombs but if you’ll notice very few have anything to say or do to make it stop. The reason for that is simple. They all believe it’s what God has called them to do.”
October 8th, 2005 at 7:49 pmI am POSITIVE there had to be more than a handful of Brits and commie/lib Americans during WWII who were pulling for the enemy. Some things never change!! (Remember: if you’re reading this in English – thank a soldier!!)
“You all need to grow up and face the facts that we are in a war for the survival of our country as we know it.” – Jim
October 8th, 2005 at 8:45 pmWELL said, Jim!!!! So many on this site are idealistic “useful idiots” who wish to placate the enemy. They FAIL to realize that this is not an economic or territorial dispute that might be resolved utilizing diplomacy. The sick and disgusting aspect is the ideological frenzy that they whip themselves into. Their hatred of Geo. Bush is SO palpable, they root for the enemy.
[...] Think Progress, a left wing blog, has come out decidedly against President Bush’s speech and decidedly uninformed. They equate President Bush’s resoluteness to continue the fight in the war on terror as fear mongering. America is losing confidence in President Bush. A Newsweek poll reveals that “across the board…his most visible policies only pull the support of a third of the country: on the economy, 35 percent approve; on Iraq, 33 percent; on energy policy, 28 percent.†When all else fails, start fear mongering… [...]
October 8th, 2005 at 9:55 pmTo Jim, IRI, and MC;
But at what cost? I would rather lose my life adhering to the principles I consider to be ‘good’ than live on, having made use of evil ways to protect myself.
He who would save his life will lose it, but he who gives up his life will live forever in the Kingdom of Heaven. Sound at all familiar?
And IRI, about those refineries… the companies haven’t just held off on building new ones for economic reasons, but also for practical ones. We are at or almost at maximum pumping capacity. Even the Saudis are pumping oil at or near their upper limit. Global supply has maxxed out. In the next 10-15 years, sustainable production levels may well begin to slip a little. You can’t refine oil you’re not getting, and that’s a large part of why we haven’t built new refineries.
Why we haven’t taken advantage of the technological improvement in nukes in the last 20 years, I have *no* clue. Probably fear. Modern pebble-bed reactors are not much dissimilar from the natural fission reactor that ran at Oklo for some 10-15,000 years, and we didn’t all end up with three eyes from that one.
October 9th, 2005 at 2:10 amComment by Bill McD
“To Jim, IRI, and MC;
But at what cost? I would rather lose my life adhering to the principles I consider to be ‘good’ than live on, having made use of evil ways to protect myself.”
I can’t argue with a man who believes that protecting his country, his family and his own life is evil.
“He who would save his life will lose it, but he who gives up his life will live forever in the Kingdom of Heaven. Sound at all familiar?”
Completely out of context. I can make the Bible say anything I want it to as well. I suggest you get a new Bible teacher the one you’ve got is twisting scripture in order to give our enemy an advantage. Not unlike how the ratbastardcommiemofo’s in this country twist our laws for the same purpose.
“And IRI, about those refineries… the companies haven’t just held off on building new ones for economic reasons, but also for practical ones. We are at or almost at maximum pumping capacity. Even the Saudis are pumping oil at or near their upper limit. Global supply has maxxed out. In the next 10-15 years, sustainable production levels may well begin to slip a little. You can’t refine oil you’re not getting, and that’s a large part of why we haven’t built new refineries.”
“I work in the industry. Every word of the above is total nonsense but I’m not in the mood to correct you or argue with a man who would rather die than fight. ”
“Why we haven’t taken advantage of the technological improvement in nukes in the last 20 years, I have *no* clue. Probably fear. Modern pebble-bed reactors are not much dissimilar from the natural fission reactor that ran at Oklo for some 10-15,000 years, and we didn’t all end up with three eyes from that one.”
Oh…shit.
October 9th, 2005 at 3:12 pmIRI:
I’m twisting scripture? The passage is about the dangers inherint in clinging to this life even if it means abandoning the principles taught by JC. If you can make scripture say anything you like, then please, I enjoin you: Find me something said by Christ (not any of the fallible men who came after him) that justify what you advocated: the wholesale slaughter of civilians. That’s what nuking Syria and Iran would entail, after all.
Do I think that killing someone who’s trying to kill me is evil? No. But I do think that killing millions who aren’t out of some paranoid hard-on for a big, dramatic ‘boom’ is.
Am *I* the one twisting scripture, or are the religious leaders in this country who peddle hate and violence, while asking for money? I don’t recall a single ‘Augustus Caesar should be assassinated’ or ‘Please send me your drachma now’ in the gospels.
As for ‘working in the industry’… well, I could say that I’m God Almighty, but it doesn’t make it true. You have facts to back it up, let’s see ‘em. Otherwise, I humbly submit that you, and all of your ilk are simply quite full of 100% pure Oscar Meyer bologna.
The non-kosher kind.
October 9th, 2005 at 5:49 pm“No act of ours invited the rage of the killers…”
Westernization in the Middle East played the biggest role in the terror attacks on America. So presumably it was America’s acts that caused the rage of the killers. Since, one of the terrorist involved with the 9/11 attacks stated in his biblography that what ticked him off was that a McDonalds was built too close to Mecca. On Account of, Mecca is the Holy Land for Muslims, therefore having a McDonalds shows disrespect to the Muslim people. Unless the terrorist groups are just looking for a way to justify the cause.
October 10th, 2005 at 12:30 pmWesternization in the Middle East played the biggest role in the terror attacks on America.
Comment by KATIEMAC42
No Sugar, cowardly Democrats like Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton who did NOTHING after we were attacked are the reason for the terror attacks on the USA. They believed we are weak, and that they could win. All thanks to the Liberal appeasers who for decades have tried to weaken our nation and put us all in jeopardy.
October 11th, 2005 at 4:27 pm“they believed that we were weak and that they could win”
Im sure that the first thing that was going through the terrorist mind was that Clinton was a dumb democrat who weakend the nation. Yeah. Right. The terrorist were going to attack us, weak or strong. which obviously we were not that strong of a nation because they did win by attacking us and other countries.
October 11th, 2005 at 11:56 pmIm sure that the first thing that was going through the terrorist mind was that Clinton was a dumb democrat who weakend the nation. Yeah. Right. The terrorist were going to attack us, weak or strong. which obviously we were not that strong of a nation because they did win by attacking us and other countries.
Comment by lefylefy
Stay in school, you still can’t read and comprehend. I blame your idiot parents and the teacher’s union.
Bin Laden said that because we didn’t do anything in Iran after the embassy take over and we did nothing in Arabia after the Cobal Towers bombing and nothing after Mogadishu etc, etc, that we did not have the will to fight. He’s a school yard bully. Everyone knows that the first thing you do is go up and knock the lights out of a bully. After that he knows.
The ever so sensitive Jimmy “never met a tyrant he didn’t like” Carter and Billy “Blow Job” Clinton failed us and gave the terrorists reason to believe they could win. What part of “don’t be a pussy Frenchman” do you not understand?
October 12th, 2005 at 8:11 am“No Sugar, cowardly Democrats like Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton who did NOTHING after we were attacked are the reason for the terror attacks on the USA.”
If one blames Clinton and Jimmy Carter for the 1992 attacks, than wouldn’t the 1992 attacks never have happend? Im sure that it is in the best interest of every President to make the nation strong and secure; not to weaken. The terror attacks on other countries, is not because one country is weak, it is because that country has proclaimed a since of pride and has no respect for other countries. Terrorist exist everywhere, there isn’t anything anyone will do to stop them…
October 12th, 2005 at 12:04 pmTerrorist exist everywhere, there isn’t anything anyone will do to stop them…
Comment by lefylefy
Do yourself a favor and read about Thomas Jefferson and the Barbary Pirates. It’s interesting, it’s kind of fun and it answers your question.
Just be glad our leaders and people didn’t think like you when Hitler and Stalin and Mao came into power. You need to get over this French Pussification thing you’ve got going and grow some balls boy.
October 12th, 2005 at 12:36 pmhey jim C kinda like manifest destiny huh…its not right if it aint white people doing it…
mr. BILL mcD i believe i’ve read all those right wing excuses/answers as far as failing to question dem SAWDEES, yet for such a tragedy like 9/11 where war was waged virtually unopposed, you dont think it would have given just a weeeeeeebit of closure if not evidence of something if bin laden’s family was questioned? o yea they “publicly” severed ties with him huh…kinda like your brother caught porking your girl (not you specifically just generalizing), there might be a lil tie severing there but he’s still your brother…or worse yet you feeling resentmet towards your more handsome/smarter/wittier relative for having “radical liberal views” he may not be over your house every sunday for football but he sure as hell will be at your daughter’s wedding…
October 14th, 2005 at 4:15 pmOKAY! What does anyone suppose we do as a nation to reclaim our path, as we have been led severly off-track? Everyone is in a lull of “oh-well” or ‘08 is our year, what gives? Who can we go to for regime change?
August 30th, 2006 at 5:20 pm