Today, the Nobel Committee issued a strong rebuke to the Bush administration by awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to IAEA head Mohamed ElBaradei.
In response, the Secretary of State Rice said in a statement, “I congratulate the International Atomic Energy Agency and its Director General, Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei, on being awarded this year’s Nobel Peace Prize.” Last year, the administration was less generous with their praise. In fact, it launched a smear campaign to prevent ElBaradei from returning for a third-term as head of the nuclear watchdog agency.
In its efforts to bring him down, the administration leaked false intelligence about Egypt:
Diplomats in Vienna suspect the story circulating in the press about a clandestine nuclear program in Egypt is part of an American-led campaign to oust the head of the international agency charged with preventing the proliferation of atomic weapons. [New York Sun, 1/5/05]
And tapped his phone:
The Bush administration has dozens of intercepts of Mohamed ElBaradei’s phone calls with Iranian diplomats and is scrutinizing them in search of ammunition to oust him as director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, according to three U.S. government officials. [Washington Post, 12/12/04]
John Bolton, recess-appointed-ambassador to the UN, led the charge against ElBaradei and went “out of his way to bad-mouth” him during those months.
Why did the administration want him out so badly? It disagreed with ElBaradei about Iraq’s nonexistent WMD program. ElBaradei, if you’ll recall, turned out to be right.
SLAPDOWN!!!
October 7th, 2005 at 2:27 pmWhoah, the government attacking someone baselessly for purely political purposes? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!
October 7th, 2005 at 2:28 pmNobel Peace prizes should be awarded posthumously, imo, that way jerks like Arafat don’t get any.
I’m glad ElBaradi won this year’s. If nothing else at least someone was doing their job and got it right.
October 7th, 2005 at 2:31 pmWork Wife #1 (condi rice) Gave a tight lipped Congrats.I would’ve love being a fly on that wall. When that news filter into the oval office. wonder what bolton boy said?
October 7th, 2005 at 2:36 pmDoes it scare anybody else when Bush makes statements like:
“She is going to be on the bench,” he said. “She’s going to be confirmed.”
Every other time he has said this:
“We will win Florida.”
“We will take Ohio.”
How can Bush rig the Senate? Nevermind, I know the answer.
October 7th, 2005 at 2:40 pm“Turd Blossom! Get in Here! You were supposed to destroy this man for making us look like fools! Fools I Say!”
October 7th, 2005 at 2:49 pmAbsolutely perfect. The punks in office got punkd.
October 7th, 2005 at 3:06 pmDear “Useful Idiots” - Do not wonder why we hold the Nobel “Piece” prize in such DISDAIN - to give one to the kindly, bumbling moron, President Jimmy “Rabbit” Carter, and that corrupt evil corpse, AraFAT removes all honor from the prize. El Baradei would need a road map to find his own ass.
October 7th, 2005 at 3:14 pmThat would be the same reason you hold PEACE in such disdain, right?
Maybe you should be mighty ares. There’s a lot more war in you than there is love.
October 7th, 2005 at 3:18 pmLOL — how funny that Mighty Aphrodite thinks that anyone here or anywhere else in the world give a rat’s ass what “we” (by which I must assume s/he means “me and the other other wingnuts”) think about the nobel peace prize!!! I suppose Bush Sr. is now going to send his back?
He isn’t??
Oh well. Maybe the next bit of moral indignation will work out better for you.
October 7th, 2005 at 3:21 pmTerrorists like Mighty Windbag always hold peace in disdain. She/He, Ann Coulter and Osama Bin Laden all believe violence is ‘good’.. They’re psychopaths who need straight jackets…
October 7th, 2005 at 3:21 pmHey mighty, I think you need to go back on your meds. You are one angry sack o’ crap!
We know why the fascists in the US hate the UN and any other international body. You’re vitriolic spew doesn’t surprise us at all.
Oh yeah and PISS OFF! :D
October 7th, 2005 at 3:25 pmPakistan, India, North Korea, Iran, Libya -
Did I miss any of the places where the International Atomic Energy Agency failed to detect or halt the development of nuclear weapons in the last 8 years?
October 7th, 2005 at 3:28 pmI know, I know, Aphro, if one of your criminals didn’t get it, it means nothing. Yeah right.
If your team didn’t win the game, it is “home cookin.” If your dog didn’t win the show, it was a bad show. If your daughter didn’t win the pageant, it was thrown. And the most famous to date, if your guy gets indicted, it was a phone grand jury. I know, I know, your crap don’t stink. Yeah right. What are you 10 years old? You are defending criminals. Shame on you.
October 7th, 2005 at 3:37 pmAgain, someone named after the wrong god in their mythology. And misspelled at that.
Yeah, you missed one. Iraq.
Oh, no, they don’t count because they don’t HAVE nuclear weapons, right?
Right, so why did we invade them again?
October 7th, 2005 at 3:39 pmPro-war and pro-death penalty and pro-life??? I am confused. How long does it take you to screw your socks on in the morning?
October 7th, 2005 at 3:39 pmI’m glad he has been awarded the Peace Prize. Despite the philosophy of MA and other violence-prone, hateful right-wing barbarians, some people do try to avoid war.
October 7th, 2005 at 3:41 pmIt must be particularly frustrating for reichwingers that ElBaradei was proven correct in his evaluation of Iraq… It’s clear they only way they can live with themselves at this point is to reject all reality, facts and simply lie to themselves continuously… How sad and psychotic…
October 7th, 2005 at 3:54 pmLokki wrote:
Pakistan: Not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, therefore not subject to IAEA inspections/regulations.
India: Not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
North Korea:
Iran:
Libya: Can’t find a source at work with reference to the discovery of Libyan nuclear program/aspirations, though Libya is a signatory to the NPT it was common knowledge they were looking into the arms race for ten years. Libya and N. Korea were sold nuclear supplies from our friend, Pakistan.
IMO non-proliferation doesn’t work unless every able country signs onto the NPT, but it doesn’t make the IAEA worthless.
October 7th, 2005 at 3:58 pmBush and Blair punched in the nose
October 7th, 2005 at 4:00 pmP&P
All 3 of those reicwhinger stands are about power.
The Reichwing stand on Pro war is about power and oppression of dissent (although ironically war causes more dissent and less stability for all involved typically, especially when you give the people you attack little to live for).
The Reichwing stand on Pro death penalty is about the fear of minorities and poor people and the misguided belief that by showing the ‘power’ of life and death you’ll deter crime (a completely discredited misconception).
The Reichwing stand on Pro Life (eg. anti civil liberties) is about power over women and reproduction. Mainly men are pro life because they fear women and the power of women - but some women have been coaxed into this belief by the ’save the children’ mantra and a complete lack of science. Generally speaking they wish to ‘control’ others ability to terminate a fetus because of their own feelings of personal inadequacies and the subconscious fear that they are the fetus being aborted.
If you look at the progressive stance on all 3 of these items, instead they are about civil liberties, freedoms and freedoms from oppression by others. But that threatens the fearful who only know ‘power’ and ‘control’ as their methods of interacting with others. If they grew up in households that didn’t teach them basic skills for conflict resolution, this is particularly problematic. This is why so many respond to the ‘evil dad’ persona of GeezAssW, who reflects power unbridled by conscience - and therefore their ‘father’ figure of a dysfunctional childhood…
October 7th, 2005 at 4:01 pmLesly, BRAVO! :-)
October 7th, 2005 at 4:08 pm“Pakistan, India, North Korea, Iran, Libya -
Did I miss any of the places where the International Atomic Energy Agency failed to detect or halt the development of nuclear weapons in the last 8 years?”
Comment by Lokki — October 7, 2005 @ 3:28 pm
Exactly how were they going to “halt” anything? Do they have a standing army? Nuclear weapons? And lets see your evidence on “failed to detect” - if there is any. The only way they could do their jobs effectively is with the support of the world community, hence the “International” modifier. If members of that international community decide on their own to act unilaterally, is the Agency going to blockade their countries until they stop? C’mon weasel, tell us how it’s done!
October 7th, 2005 at 4:12 pmAre those the same guys that were going to bring ethics and responsibility back to the White House?
October 7th, 2005 at 4:13 pmAphrodite, #9, hi, toots. I coundn’t help but want to jump in with you on top of these liberals here when I saw that “useful idiots” crack. Good going. Also, that remark about our disdain for the Nobel “Peice” Prize as you called it was right on. I mean, the prize was not only given to Jimmy Carter, but the likes of the Dalai Lama, Doctors Without Borders, Lech Walesa and Mother Teresa for God’s sake and not one real Republican in the bunch!
Correct me if I’m wrong, honey. but just who is El Baradei or Barcardi or whoever? The rednecks down here at the bar say “Baradei” is the name of a bottle of rum or something.
By the way, Aphrodite, you calling it the Nobel “Peice” Prize reminded me to ask you when we going to get together for a beer?
October 7th, 2005 at 4:15 pm#14 - missed Israel. Ooops, sorry, they don’t count for you guys go they?
October 7th, 2005 at 4:20 pm““Pakistan, India, North Korea, Iran, Libya -
Did I miss any of the places where the International Atomic Energy Agency failed to detect or halt the development of nuclear weapons in the last 8 years?â€
Comment by Lokki ”
Actually the IAEA was involved in detecting and reporting issues in both North Korea and Iran. They are a detection and management arm - the ‘military’ enforcement is up to the UN. Because of american disregard for the authority of the UN for legitimate purposes, the Iraq war has undermined our moral authority to actually do enforcement and has compromised our ability to contain either North Korea or Iran. Instead our NeoCon dopes went after the country with the most oil, but that contained NO nuclear capabilities - morons! North Korea restarted its nuclear program after Republican Congressmen repeated undermined the shipment of oil/fuel to them under Clinton (in breach of the agreement we signed). It was our reichwing morons who breached the deal first - not the North Koreans. No matter what one thinks of North Korea - the reality is just like this country has done for 400 years with native americans, we broke the treaty and now blame the other side… Some things never change!
As for Pakistan, and India - neither were signers to the international treaty (as others have aptly pointed out), and therefore not under the jurisdiction of the IAEA inspectors.
As for Libya - they didn’t sign onto the IAEA until March 2004, well after they themselves agreed to give up Nukes in favor of promised economic aid (which the US of course has broken its promises and promptly not delivered - and we wonder why the world doesn’t trust us).
October 7th, 2005 at 4:22 pmAt least one newsworthy group in the world is able to stand up for truth, justice, and is able to hit BushCo hard. Could it be an indication of how others around the globe might feel?
October 7th, 2005 at 4:25 pmJesus,
I travel quite a bit, the rest of the world knows EXACTLY who bush is. They’re just hoping we can fix the voter fraud and elect a legitimate government again - and in the meantime they treat us like they do all dictators with lots of weapons…
October 7th, 2005 at 4:57 pmThe Cheney administration is despicable.
October 7th, 2005 at 5:36 pmThey are truely vile.
“Pro-war and pro-death penalty and pro-life???” - PP
I know multiple concepts are difficult to follow. Here’s the remedial version:
Pro-war: means ENFORCING (a DIFFICULT concept for libs) a cease-fire that was agreed to by Saddam Hussein
Pro-death penalty: I am personally against the death penalty - but conservatives generally support this method of punishment because it is EARNED by committing heinous crimes.
Pro-life: many conservatives are pro-life - I’ve always wondered how the Dem “Defenders of the Defenseless” could so cavalierly kill their own offspring? Because you are SO sure of your pro-”choice” position - please explain EXACTLY when a “fetus” is viable?
“I’m glad he has been awarded the Peace Prize. Despite the philosophy of MA and other violence-prone, hateful right-wing barbarians, some people do try to avoid war.
October 7th, 2005 at 6:25 pmComment by Marie — October 7, 2005 @ 3:41 pm”
….”Some people do try to avoid war”…Hell, Marie, I bet you’d sleep with enemy if you thought you’d live through the night - you’d probably call it a “multi-cultural” experience. As a right-wing “barbarette” (we are the female barbarians adored by real men every where!) we are the the gals who would just as soon shoot (and kill!) a suicide bomber so there would be less chance of killing innocent folks, as we would go get a pedicure. We are loyal, dependable and damn good shots.
mighty aphrodite is a troll, treat her/him as such.
October 7th, 2005 at 6:28 pmC’mon, nice try but you are weak. You get to decide who lives and dies because you know best. Jesus wouldn’t be for the death penalty now would he christian?
There is clear evidence when fetuses begin brain function.
Bush did not try to AVOID war, he lied to get into one. You prop up criminals.
October 7th, 2005 at 6:30 pmWingers have no pride, they bow to power and
October 7th, 2005 at 6:32 pmhave no self-respect or free-thought.
Just ask Rove, he will tell you what to
think.
SIXPACK - You HAVE become one of my favourite commie/libs!!! I’ll NEVER have a beer with you - I’m watching my girlish figure - but sometime we’ll chat over a Chardonnay or vodka and tonic!!! The Dalai Lama and Mother Theresa (aren’t they religious types - and don’t you guys ALWAYS make fun of religion?) Now I know if they had named those cult heroes of the left, Gorbachev or Paul Wellstone (posthumously, of course) your excitement would know no bounds.
October 7th, 2005 at 6:36 pmConservatives like to inflict punishment because they feel they know more than others. That concept keeps them from ever learning from their mistakes. Just like the rampant corruption in Washington right now, history will out all of these criminals.
Don’t you ever get tired of trying to find excuses for crime?
October 7th, 2005 at 6:37 pmNo, dumb troll, we don’t make fun of religion. You repubs seem to have trouble with nuances and putting things in context. You didn’t score very high on your SATs did you?
October 7th, 2005 at 6:39 pmThese trolls remind me of Archie Bunker.
October 7th, 2005 at 6:40 pmA slap in the face to the shrub, who needs to be knocked around a lot more by lots more people.
October 7th, 2005 at 6:40 pmPP - You are truly arrogant - I don’t presume to speak for Jesus. I told you I am against the death penalty. I think you could benefit from remedial reading exercises.
October 7th, 2005 at 6:41 pmI thought christians were supposed to live in the light of Jesus? He wouldn’t have lied to go to war. We were duped and so were you. It is just taking you a bit longer to realize/admit it.
Remedial reading? I could always learn something new. You already know it all. Again, not very high on the SATs, huh?
October 7th, 2005 at 6:44 pmPP - As I recall, I scored fairly well on my SAT - on my LSAT as well. But I am sure YOU (a legend in your own mind) are much more intelligent than any conservative you never met.
October 7th, 2005 at 6:46 pmPP - are you against aborting fetuses with brain function? unless, of course mom’s life was in true danger?
October 7th, 2005 at 6:48 pmI would not waste much time on mighty “the wind” aphrodite,
October 7th, 2005 at 6:51 pmhe/she is a hypocrite Cheney administration brown-noser troll.
Pretty lame for the most part. SSDD right-wing drivel.
What I don’t understand is why he/she hangs around here.
Some kind of masochist loser I suppose.
I am not a legend and never avered to be. I’m sure many will remember me for being such a positive element in the workforce, but legend, I think no. That makes little sense to say anyway. And no, I’ve worked for and over conservatives that were much more intelligent than myself. They are sorry for voting for Bush and regret this war.
Why do you like to be here? What do you get?
October 7th, 2005 at 6:54 pmafterthought - Great minds think alike. I asked her the same thing. What do you get out of being here with us? I mean, republicans never do anything that doesn’t have a reward in it for them.
October 7th, 2005 at 6:55 pmAphrodite, you really know how to hurt a guy. Call me a lowdown, redneck, rightwing sleazebag if you want. Call me a typical, loudmouthed, conservative jerk-ass who wouldn’t know a dirtbag like Rove from a puke like DeLay. Go ahead, hon, I can take it. But calling me a commie/lib was a real blow to my psych.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Chardonnay—-isn’t that what those girlie-men drink that Arnold warned us about? I mean, I like my drinks from a well at the bar or out of a longneck. The only bubbly us redneck conservatives like are the kind that gives us lots of gas to belch out loud with. (Like Billy Beer).
I like it when you play hard to get! What if I promise to shave the hair off my shoulders before we go out?
October 7th, 2005 at 6:56 pmPP - I don’t know which progressive sites you’ve been visiting, but many contributors on each site SLAM traditional religions and their “ignorant” members. I am sure there are several exceptions to the following BUT the only religions I have NOT seen cricized by the left are:
October 7th, 2005 at 7:01 pm1.) Islam
2.) “New Age”
3.) Secular/Religious Humanism
4.) Pagan or Wicca
5.) Buddhism
If you are an observant Jew or practicing Catholic, Mormon, or fundamentalist Christian be advised to avoid sites such as this if you are thin skinned.
I noticed P&P.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:02 pmI still wonder if there is some kind of winger
initiation right where you have to collect so many
comments from “scary lefties” until you can join
the Drudge a**-kissing club or something.
PP - It’s fun to come here and practice - we view argument as sport.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:04 pm#49.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:04 pmThat’s just stupid. If you bring your own baggage
along that is just NOT our problem.
Find somewhere else to troll.
Afterthought - just a few more of your hand wringing comments and I can be a “Pioneer”. Thanks!!!!
October 7th, 2005 at 7:06 pmSo what? yassir arafat was also awarded the nobel peace prize. It is controlled by anti-American and anti-Israel far leftists who give out the prize based on politics, not merit.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:07 pm#52 - Stupid - but true. Read the volumes of religious bigotry by the like of the “tolerant” Ryan Neat, Jesus Christ God of War, Sponge Boy, Susan, Marie, and my favourite, Sharon Cox…..Blessings!
October 7th, 2005 at 7:11 pmAphrodite, your shot in #51 that us conservatives view argueing as a sport is a little off.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but someone down at the Hog’s Breath bar said farting was a sport in down in Crawford. What’s your opinion?
October 7th, 2005 at 7:17 pmSIXPACK - “Call me a lowdown, redneck, rightwing sleazebag if you want. Call me a typical, loudmouthed, conservative jerk-ass who wouldn’t know a dirtbag like Rove from a puke like DeLay. Go ahead, hon, I can take it. But calling me a commie/lib was a real blow to my psych….” But, honey, if I called you any of those things, then I would be a liberal - and you know what a MENACE I think liberalism is!!! HA! And, no, you don’t have to drink chardonnay - I wouldn’t want to waste good wine on someone with your unsophisticated palate - drink all the beer you want - just don’t peel the label on that long neck…
October 7th, 2005 at 7:18 pmI don’t think going on ANY political website should be for the thin skinned, especially during these times. I don’t really care who practices what religion, if any. I don’t really care who has sex with whom. I also don’t care what your political affiliation is, however, this site, in particular, is for those of us who want politics and the future of such to PROGRESS. We don’t want to revert back to robber baron days when a very few very rich controlled the very many very poor. We are here to discuss this and are very open and extremely individual so there is no blueprint with respect to those who post here. Some of us have found a home here and have trouble understanding why the few trolls come here to call us Filthy and commies. It is so old. It is unoriginal and has totally lost all meaning. At this point, repubs seem to just keep repeating the same silly rhetoric over and over. It appears that they wish to disrupt and annoy. Why spend time trying desperately to make others upset, even when it is utterly useless?
We blast those who come here and try to derail progress regardless of their religion. BUT, when they bring up their religion and wear it on their sleeve (which Jesus said never to do) we will call them on it. This is not a religious site. We all know what happens when religion mingles with politics. We don’t want that and will not stand for it here.
See, many progressive people believe that religion is merely a gathering of people that meet up once or twice a week and try to find new and different ways to make everyone part of their “club.” They don’t seem to be okay with the fact that they have their nice little church and all feel exactly the same way. For some reason, they wish others to feel that way too. It can appear to some as cultish.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:18 pmI think I’m falling in love.
Let me correct that. I just lost my balance over the toilet is all.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:21 pmSIXPACK - At the Hog’s Breath Bar, farting is a sport - I am sure YOU are the GRAND PRIZE WINNER - but among my friends and colleagues, we argue POLITICS for SPORT before dinner and SOCIAL POLICY over dessert.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:22 pmBuck up Sixer, we love your Filthy Right comments. You know what you need? Another beer. Beer run anyone?
October 7th, 2005 at 7:23 pmPP - You need to get up to speed. I agree - this is not a religious site - just tell that to the dim-witted Nico WHO brought Harriet Miers “church” to this website!! (and had to fall all over himself “apologizing”!!!) How’s this for a proposition - we’ll stop calling you commies when you stop trying to redistribute the wealth.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:28 pmThomas Jefferson was the first to talk of redistribution and I’ll stick by him. Up to speed? Whose speed? I’m one of the only ones here to give you the time of day and you offer me nothing. Why are you here again?
October 7th, 2005 at 7:35 pmHermaphrodite is feeling quite Mighty (manic) today.
He/She supports the slaughter of our troops but does not support the slaughter of a convicted murderer. Hmmmm..
He/She does not believe that He/She is speaking for Jesus but He/She does believe that He/She decides who is worthy of life and who isn’t.
Don’t we usually arrest people like this. Or at least have them evaluated at a Mental Hospital?
October 7th, 2005 at 7:37 pmAdditionally, the Nobel Peace Prize winner was a huge “bitch slap” to Bushie.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:39 pmWar Protest - Nov 10 2005 Take a day off! – Please Read
If you feel, as the majority of Americans and people throughout the world do, that the war in Iraq is wrong, and you wish you had a way to show the Bush Administration, the Government of the United States, and the world, how you feel about it, then join us in our world wide walk out on November 10th 2005.
Show the world how you feel, and just how many of us feel this way. Let’s drive the point home by taking away from them their most precious item; money.
On November 10th 2005, unless you hold a position which people rely upon in the event of an emergency (you work at a hospital, a firemen, policemen etc), don’t go to work. Try not to drive your car; don’t watch T.V.; don’t use the internet. Stay at home. Read a book. Play with your kids. Engage in a hobby.
Plan a vacation day at work. Call in sick. Use your best judgment on how to take this day off.
If we don’t get their attention this way, we’ll just do it again, until we do.
If the people speak, and speak together, they have to listen.
Please email this to as many of your friends and colleagues as you wish/can.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:40 pmWell, as a rightwing redneck, I wish it were true, aphrodite, that I was a Grand Prize Winner. Sad to say, I was caught cheating and disqualified when they found I was cupping my hand in my armpit and flapping my arm. Oh, well, like you say I ain’t got any sophistication.
But correct me if I’m wrong, aphrodite, but since we’re talking about cheating rednecks, don’t you think that for Bush and his buddies to try and undermine a true statesman like El Baradei by using a political hack like John Bolton was just a little tiny bit underhanded, even for this White House?
October 7th, 2005 at 7:40 pmSusan, you’re so cool. And Smedley, I thought it was November 2? I have alerted all here in TN (red state my ass) that I will not be at the office. What’s up with Nov. 10. I mean, I’ll take as many days as necessary.:-)
October 7th, 2005 at 7:42 pmThe 10th is already marked on my calendar Smedley. Why cant we use the internet though?
October 7th, 2005 at 7:42 pmActually I think your correct PP. It is the second. Let me get an address, hold on.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:44 pm“Afterthought - just a few more of your
hand wringing
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ha, you wish.
comments and I can be a “Pioneerâ€. Thanks!!!!”
I think calling you a masochistic loser was about right.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:44 pmNovember 2, 2005 “Dont go to work”.
http://www.worldcantwait.org/ getActive/ actionCalls/ event.php?id=4
October 7th, 2005 at 7:47 pm“#52 - Stupid - but true. Read the volumes of religious bigotry by the like of the “tolerant†Ryan Neat, Jesus Christ God of War, Sponge Boy, Susan, Marie, and my favourite, Sharon Cox…..Blessings!
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
Sorry, but I have read your rantings before.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:47 pmSeems like you have the bigotry problem.
Weren’t you moving to Israel?
I don’t blame you, as it seems a nice place.
You can still post drivel on the “internets” (winger dorks)
from there.
favoUrite?
October 7th, 2005 at 7:50 pmBut all you “patriotic protesters” will want to be paid for not going to work, right? “Just call in sick”, that’s no lie! Please - take more days off - the roads will be easier to navigate my behemoth car and the stores will be wide open - yippeeee!!! Rich & middle class conservatives spend alot more than you guys anyway - isn’t that one of the things you hate about us - our conspicuous consumption?? Well, trust me, the folks whho make the stuff buy appreciate our business! Why are the majority of libs SOOOOO cheap? Please keep the limo-libs home that day, too!! Thanks!!!!!
October 7th, 2005 at 7:54 pmYou really aren’t very good at this flaming stuff
October 7th, 2005 at 7:56 pmare you mighty aphrodite? Isn’t there a winger
class at some Aspen resort where you can learn
to be coherent?
Take the war protest thread. Put it in an email, send it to your friends.
Post it on Craigslist in the Community/Politics section.
Title it: War Protest - November 10, 2005 - Take a day off!
We can’t post the same thread more then once, and there are only so many ways to say it.
Post it on all your blogs!! GET THE WORD OUT!!
October 7th, 2005 at 8:05 pmLook, you can SPEND all you want, but that won’t FILL you up. That is one thing I despise. The idea that more STUFF will make you happier. It won’t. Happiness is something that you have work for, not spend for. It is something that engulfs you and makes you feel good for others. It makes you want others to feel as happy as you are. It is called SHARING. Obviously a foreign concept for you.
Less is more for those who find strength from within and not from the wallet. I thought you have been to church.
BTW, I have an alloted amount of days to use as I work 90 hours a week - YES 90. 55 here at the office and the rest at home. I am always on call and receive the same salary no matter how long I am here. I work this hard for OTHER PEOPLE. I work for a law firm that does Pro Bono work for, right now, attorneys that have NO PLACE TO PRACTICE because of the damage in LA. Which, by the way, happened because GREEDY republicans thought that the levees were JUST FINE and gutted Clinton’s budget to fix them.
I just want to, on behalf of the 658 SURVIVORS, thank you for all you greedy selfish “SPENDERS” have done for America.
You need to leave here before you get even drunker.
What the hell do you do for others? KILL?
We aren’t cheap, we are CONSERVATIVE. OUCH, that must hurt!!!!
October 7th, 2005 at 8:06 pmNo, Aftertaste, Charles Rangel, Howard Dean and Louis Farrakhan are fine examples of bigotry. About Israel - a “person not worth naming” thought I should move there as I am a supporter of the state of Israel - perhaps you were confused by our “back and forth”.
Please visit Susan’s FAVOURITE new site (www.worldcantwait.org)!! I LOVE the part where conservatives can see the names of those good folks who promote the Revolutionary Communist Party and the RCP Youth Brigade through their support of worldcantwait - Since I have an aversion to gulags and pogroms it’s best to know who these people are!
October 7th, 2005 at 8:07 pmLOL afterthought.
For the record, the only time I’ve discussed religion was when I felt it was necessary to show support for the conviction of priests who rape boys. That happened to be months ago.
The hermaphrodite does not want to hear my take on religion believe me.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:08 pm#80, Yeah, that’s what I read from reading MA.
#79 MA,
October 7th, 2005 at 8:14 pmSo what do you think of Cheney’s gulags?
Why do you think McCain doesn’t like American gulags?
Oh wait, I suppose McCain is a commie, right?
Oh, and MA, don’t flatter yourself, you don’t confuse
me a bit. I had you pretty well figured out from
the first post I read.
The only thing I don’t get is why you hang around
here like a wannabe.
Hermaphrodite, I’m self employed so I can take off any day that I want. Bushie is directly responsible for this because he took my “job” away. For that I thank the freak, I’m much better off spending my time doing what I enjoy doing instead of working for a scumbag republican.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:14 pmAphro, you want to come here and prance around with your I SPEND SO MUCH routine. Put up or shut up or just go back to Wal-Mart. You are a real piece of work. What have you done for anyone other than yourself?
October 7th, 2005 at 8:15 pmYou see P&P,
October 7th, 2005 at 8:19 pmThat is what is so great about being a winger,
they get to do everything “just for me”.
No country
No community
No shared sacrifice
Nothing but “me me me”
Sort of like a two year old.
What have you done for anyone other than yourself in the last 30 days? SPEND? You should be shuttled off to the Mariana Islands and have to work in a Delay sweatshop. You are underserving of American citizenship and I am ashamed to be from the same country you are.
Just go away and hone your hatred some other place. We are thinking, feeling, compassionate human beings and you, YOU, are not welcome. You are selfish, ugly, mean spirited, crass, irrational and wholly unappreciative of this great nation that you take for granted.
You are underserving of liberty. Oh hell, I’m ashamed to have interacted with you.
Sorry all, you warned me, never engage a stupid troll. Sorry again for taking up so much of your time.
Much LOVE to all, I must go. I have a death penalty case on Monday (I’m sure you are happy that more may be dying, Aphro) and my job is Habias Corpus. Good night and wish me luck.
Good night Gracie.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:24 pmGood night afterthougt. Good night Ryan Neat. Good night Susan. Good night Sixer. Good night Mary Ellen. Good night Johnboy.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:25 pmSusan - Your opinions on religion mean nothing to me -
PP - You have NO idea with whom (and HOW MUCH) I donate. (You sound a little like a pre-school teacher.) I’m sure you are very generous. But how many people does $1.98 feed? I’ve watched them pass the buckets at “we-hate-Bush” rallies and most of you are CHEAP. Relax, you never have to refer to yourself as , God forbid, “conservative” when discussing your finances. The word “thrifty” might suit you better (I give alot of credit to that ol’ money wizard, George Soros,he’s not cheap!!) Unlike libs, I believe true charity should be anonymous - I don’t contribute to my favourite charities to get a pat on the back or a tax break. Buying as a hobby is boring - but getting to shop for things my family needs on a day when YOU ALL won’t be there - too good to be true!!!!!!!! Thanks!!
October 7th, 2005 at 8:25 pmWow AP, you seem like a really sad person.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:30 pmAre you sure this hatred thing is working for you?
Maybe you should leave the dark side.
You really hang around rallies watching what other people donate?
At rallies you don’t agree with?
That is a really sad way to spend your time.
I hear stamp collecting can be very rewarding.
Why don’t you contribute your stupid worthless time. It’s not about MONEY you stupid freaking dolt. It’s about TIME. It’s about your TIME. Can you hear me dumbass? Anyone can donate a few damn dollars and never feel the bite.
TRY SOME TIME. DONATE TIME. DID I SAY THAT LOUD ENOUGH? I can’t believe you don’t get it. I am astounded by you. It….is….about….time. Something that you CANNOT afford no matter how much you make. Trump has billions, but TIME? That is a different story.
You don’t understand charity and never will. Your breeding shows.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:30 pmI’m glad to hear that hermaphrodite. You are useless and serve no purpose, you prove that by using the words “donate” and “charity”. You can’t grasp the simple concept of giving without a dollar sign attached to it.
Thanks but no thanks hermy, your $$$$$$ are not needed here and have no value to real American’s.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:31 pmDon’t encourage hermy too much PP. He/She might sign up for the Big Brother/Big Sister program. That would be a huge disaster.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:33 pmSusan, I know you’re self employed - so why ask for donations??
PP - You need to stop taking disagreement so personally!! But please, stop telling me how you’ve cornered the market on “goodness” and how fabulously compassionate you are - Americans are a very generous people but sometimes libs forget that ALL Americans are great contributors to charity - We don’t brag about what WE DO FOR others - unlike you. Being against the death penalty, I wish you great luck!! I do hope if your client is guilty they lock him up - please watch those mitigating circumstances!
October 7th, 2005 at 8:36 pmUnderstood, Susan. I just have a hard time understanding the “money” is everything role. It saddens my heart. The survivors that we have here don’t want money, they want their family back. They want their dogs and cats back. They want their cool jazz on the streets back. Offer them a $100 bill and watch the puzzled look. Attorneys from New Orleans have all the money they desire. What they want is friendship and understanding. That doesn’t come from the wallet, that comes from within.
I can’t believe these vacuous dolts who think a buck will set them free.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:38 pmAphro, you do brag and you steal. You will get what is coming to you.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:39 pmAs far as my client, you are too stupid to even understand; that is clear from your posts. Now run along and shoot someone or defend us from Saddam, or buy for us to make us stronger.
You will recieve all you deserve.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:40 pm“Thomas Jefferson was the first to talk of redistribution and I’ll stick by him.” - PP
October 7th, 2005 at 8:43 pmThanks for clearing up that you LIKE Thomas Jefferson. I like many of his ideas - but not all. I was confused because for a while the left kept slamming “dead white guys” - glad you’re not in that camp!! Isn’t he the founding father who took such a hit from the left for the Sally Hemming business?? No wonder the Big dog loves so much!!
So MA, you have nothing but contempt for the rest of the world’s opinion of Mr El Baradei and his award on behalf of the IAEA. What award do you think Mr Bush should win and who from?
October 7th, 2005 at 8:47 pmOr should I say Alexa?
October 7th, 2005 at 8:47 pmThanks for visiting my site hermy. You may have noted that I provide a service and payment for that service is not required.
As for the hundreds of hours I have spent trying to pass legislation for your childrens education, I have yet to be paid one cent for that. You can thank me with a swift departure from here, that would be thanks enough.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:52 pmTerryturtle - how about the “FREEDOM AWARD” for President Bush?? Mr El Baradei would demand to see a film clip of Saddam Hussein personally ordering WMD’s moved - or destroyed -
October 7th, 2005 at 8:59 pmMighty Windbag queen of nonsense and smears.
And yet ElBaradei detected the North Korean and Iranian breaches. Clearly your irrational hatred of anyone who presents facts contrary to your delusion is treated with ineptitude and disdain on your part.
But then again, since you republicans originally sold the WMDs to Iraq, clearly you had a reason to believe Saddam still had them. Too bad you substituted your inept and unscientific judgement for the experts who actually do this for a living, just as you and your party does on EVERY scientific or factual event. It just shows how psychopathic you and your movement are, it doesn’t win you anything real…
October 7th, 2005 at 9:07 pmYou have it Ryan!
October 7th, 2005 at 9:11 pmWhat does the right have against competent people
who do their jobs well?
“PP - You need to stop taking disagreement so personally!! ”
You’re right - that’s what republicans all do. Any time you point out they’re stupid morons who lie, they take it so personally…
“But please, stop telling me how you’ve cornered the market on “goodness†and how fabulously compassionate you are - Americans are a very generous people but sometimes libs forget that ALL Americans are great contributors to charity - We don’t brag about what WE DO FOR others - unlike you. ”
Well when republicans actually start doing good, people like P&P will have a reason to believe differently. The fact that you give a tiny bit of money to charity so you don’t have to give a large amount in taxes is just a rationalization you provide for yourself when you’re critized for being selfish, heartless and greedy. The fact is you are, and everyone knows it but you…
“Being against the death penalty, I wish you great luck!! I do hope if your client is guilty they lock him up - please watch those mitigating circumstances!”
You’re against the death penalty? This made no sense, but nothing you write MrWrong does… I like your knew chick persona, she’s even more stupid than you are as a man and even easier to trash…
October 7th, 2005 at 9:11 pm“PP - You have NO idea with whom (and HOW MUCH) I donate. (You sound a little like a pre-school teacher.) ”
Sure we do, because you said you pay your full taxes, so if you actually donated real money to charity this wouldn’t be true. So either you were lying about paying full taxes, or donating to charity. I suspect you were lying about everything, as republicans like you tend to be pathological and inconsistent liars…
October 7th, 2005 at 9:13 pm“I’ve watched them pass the buckets at “we-hate-Bush†rallies and most of you are CHEAP. Relax, you never have to refer to yourself as , God forbid, “conservative†when discussing your finances.”
Really? That’s irrational, because rallies don’t generally take donations - that’s not why people go to rallies unless they’re republicans… Anyway, is that why moveon.org tends to raise more money than they ask for every time they ask? Because progressives are cheap?
You sure are a creepy and delusional liar Mr. Wrong. You may have taken on a new personna, but you’re the same old lying bag of crap.
October 7th, 2005 at 9:15 pm“But all you “patriotic protesters†will want to be paid for not going to work, right? “Just call in sickâ€, that’s no lie!”
Bahaha, is that how you justify your miserable failure of only having 400 people show up at your war rally? That democrats took time off from work and made republicans pay for it? Wow you are definite schizophrenic MrWrong if you believe this claptrap….
” Please - take more days off - the roads will be easier to navigate my behemoth car and the stores will be wide open - yippeeee!!! ”
You said almost the thing thing Mr.Wrong last month - are you just copying this from another site, or from your past posts? Or is there a script for propagandists like you that you read from. This is entirely unoriginal and nonsensical, but then again, as a riechwinger that’s to be expected.
“Rich & middle class conservatives spend alot more than you guys anyway - isn’t that one of the things you hate about us - our conspicuous consumption?? ”
Actually what’s hated is that you cheat, lie, oppress, don’t pay your fair share, benefit more from government and exploit those people who work harder but cheat less than you do…
“Well, trust me, the folks whho make the stuff buy appreciate our business! Why are the majority of libs SOOOOO cheap? Please keep the limo-libs home that day, too!! Thanks!!!!!”
Nice framing argument, but actually republicans are cheap - that’s why they make the federal government divert working class people’s taxes into their no-bid contracts and scams so they don’t have to work, and the money they ‘invest’ in politicians is returned through illegal kickbacks. It’s also why you don’t want to pay taxes, yet you want all of the benefits of a civil society. You claim democrats are cheap, yet democrats raise basically the same amount of campaign funds and the working class pays more taxes relative to their ability than the wealthy republicans who scam our country.
But then again, I doubt you’re actually part of the ‘core’ republicans who benefit from this policies, and you probably blame democrats for your failures - when in fact it’s your own party that prevents you from succeeding. After all, how can one compete with no-bid contracts? And republican tactics are all about cronyism. So unless you ‘marry into’ the money or find a way to be let into the inner circle - you’re screwed and are too stupid to even know it..
October 7th, 2005 at 9:22 pmThat was very good Ryan.
October 7th, 2005 at 9:26 pmYou have much more patience than I do.
Right on Ryan.
October 7th, 2005 at 9:51 pm“Thanks for clearing up that you LIKE Thomas Jefferson. I like many of his ideas - but not all.”
How can the wrong wingers always say “Our founding fathers” this and “Our founding fathers” that, but not agree with them.
You are either with us, or you are against us.
You either agree with what this country was founded on our you are a traitor to this country.
October 7th, 2005 at 11:02 pmOh, and I did some checking, it was in fact IAEA who discovered the Libyan nuclear program through ‘undercover’ investigations… So the nitwit who was criticizing their ‘failures’ must have worked for the nigerian iraq memo generators. Clearly they have a loose grasp on reality…
October 8th, 2005 at 3:33 amSIXPACK - You HAVE become one of my favourite commie/libs!!! I’ll NEVER have a beer with you - I’m watching my girlish figure - but sometime we’ll chat over a Chardonnay or vodka and tonic!!! The Dalai Lama and Mother Theresa (aren’t they religious types - and don’t you guys ALWAYS make fun of religion?) Now I know if they had named those cult heroes of the left, Gorbachev or Paul Wellstone (posthumously, of course) your excitement would know no bounds.
Comment by mighty aphrodite —
Favourite? That’s the Canadian or English spelling. And it may actually be a female. Since you professed an interest in, (and a knowledge of, although you actually didn’t possess said knowledge) in Philology, an interesting point about beer and wine, my dear Ms. Thing:
Beer was important to early Romans, but during Republican times wine displaced beer as the preferred alcoholic beverage. Beer became a beverage considered fit only for barbarians; Tacitus wrote disparagingly of the beer brewed by the Germanic peoples of his day. BTW, I stole the fire that I gave to man from your dour and humorless husband Hepaestus, the god of smithing’s forge. Hephaestus wasn’t too bright, or handsome. He also created the “gift” that the gods gave man, the woman Pandora and her famous box. You were pretty much of a bitch.
“Aphrodite, in many of the myths involving her, is characterized as vain, ill-tempered and easily offended. Though she is one of the few gods of the Greek Pantheon to be actually married, she is frequently unfaithful to her husband, Hephaestus.”
October 8th, 2005 at 4:09 am“Thanks for clearing up that you LIKE Thomas Jefferson. I like many of his ideas - but not all. I was confused because for a while the left kept slamming “dead white guys†- glad you’re not in that camp!! Isn’t he the founding father who took such a hit from the left for the Sally Hemming business?? No wonder the Big dog loves so much!!
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Well I’d love for you to tell us which of his ideas you think you don’t like, and then I will give you your opinion. The rest of that rant is complete and utter nonsense. It’s the right who spiritually baptize the deceased as libertarians or conservatives because they cannot protest the anachronism: Locke, Smith, Paine, Jefferson, Spooner, etc., were all progressive liberals then and they would still be today.
Just Jefferson, for instance on revealed religions:
I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.
Jefferson again:
Christianity…(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. …Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus.
More Jefferson:
The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves…these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.
Jefferson’s word for the Bible?
Dunghill..
Jefferson was quite a fan of Jesus’ teachings. He actually took a razor to the Bible to cut out all the bullshit. It’s called the Jefferson Bible. You should read what the rest of the founders wrote and thought about organized religion and bullshit. They were rational people of science and knowledge, unlike you.
October 8th, 2005 at 4:27 amThanks Prometheus,
I have read what some of the founders thought
October 8th, 2005 at 8:47 amabout organized religion and these Jefferson
quotes seem consistent.
It is very clear that the founders were very
concerned about orgainized religion having
a corrupting effect on the new country.
The contrast with the teachings of Christ
is quite telling.
It would appear that with the power of
organized religion comes the inevitable
corruption per Lord Acton.
The Faith of our Founding Fathers, by Dean Worbois
No one disputes the faith of our Founding Fathers. To speak of unalienable Rights being endowed by a Creator certainly shows a sensitivity to our spiritual selves. What is surprising is when fundamentalist Christians think the Founding Fathers’ faith had anything to do with the Bible. Without exception, the faith of our Founding Fathers was deist, not theist. It was best expressed earlier in the Declaration of Independence, when they spoke of “the Laws of Nature” and of “Nature’s God.”
In a sermon of October 1831, Episcopalian minister Bird Wilson said,
Among all of our Presidents, from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism.
The Bible? Here is what our Founding Fathers wrote about Bible-based Christianity:
John Adams:
Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?
Also Adams:
The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.
Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states:
The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.
Here’s Thomas Paine:
I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible).
Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to ‘God’ to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator’s name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible).
It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible.
Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins…and you will have sins in abundance.
The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty.
Finally let’s hear from James Madison:
What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy.
Madison objected to state-supported chaplains in Congress and to the exemption of churches from taxation. He wrote:
Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.
These founding fathers were a reflection of the American population. Having escaped from the state-established religions of Europe, only 7% of the people in the 13 colonies belonged to a church when the Declaration of Independence was signed.
Among those who confuse Christianity with the founding of America, the rise of conservative Baptists is one of the more interesting developments. The Baptists believed God’s authority came from the people, not the priesthood, and they had been persecuted for this belief. It was they—the Baptists—who were instrumental in securing the separation of church and state. They knew you can not have a “one-way wall” that lets religion into government but that does not let it out. They knew no religion is capable of handling political power without becoming corrupted by it. And, perhaps, they knew it was Christ himself who first proposed the separation of church and state: Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and unto the Lord that which is the Lord’s.
October 8th, 2005 at 9:35 amLike the rest of the bullshit Aphrodite sells. She is a polytheistic pagan goddess after all.
The Christian Nation Myth
Farrell Till
Whenever the Supreme Court makes a decision that in any way restricts the intrusion of religion into the affairs of government, a flood of editorials, articles, and letters protesting the ruling is sure to appear in the newspapers. Many protesters decry these decisions on the grounds that they conflict with the wishes and intents of the “founding fathers.”
Such a view of American history is completely contrary to known facts. The primary leaders of the so-called founding fathers of our nation were not Bible-believing Christians; they were deists. Deism was a philosophical belief that was widely accepted by the colonial intelligentsia at the time of the American Revolution. Its major tenets included belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems and belief in a supreme deity who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws. The supreme God of the Deists removed himself entirely from the universe after creating it. They believed that he assumed no control over it, exerted no influence on natural phenomena, and gave no supernatural revelation to man. A necessary consequence of these beliefs was a rejection of many doctrines central to the Christian religion. Deists did not believe in the virgin birth, divinity, or resurrection of Jesus, the efficacy of prayer, the miracles of the Bible, or even the divine inspiration of the Bible.
These beliefs were forcefully articulated by Thomas Paine in Age of Reason, a book that so outraged his contemporaries that he died rejected and despised by the nation that had once revered him as “the father of the American Revolution.” To this day, many mistakenly consider him an atheist, even though he was an out spoken defender of the Deistic view of God. Other important founding fathers who espoused Deism were George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen, James Madison, and James Monroe.
Fundamentalist Christians are currently working overtime to convince the American public that the founding fathers intended to establish this country on “biblical principles,” but history simply does not support their view. The men mentioned above and others who were instrumental in the founding of our nation were in no sense Bible-believing Christians. Thomas Jefferson, in fact, was fiercely anti-cleric. In a letter to Horatio Spafford in 1814, Jefferson said, “In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is easier to acquire wealth and power by this combination than by deserving them, and to effect this, they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer for their purposes” (George Seldes, The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey Citadel Press, 1983, p. 371). In a letter to Mrs. Harrison Smith, he wrote, “It is in our lives, and not from our words, that our religion must be read. By the same test the world must judge me. But this does not satisfy the priesthood. They must have a positive, a declared assent to all their interested absurdities. My opinion is that there would never have been an infidel, if there had never been a priest” (August 6, 1816).
Jefferson was just as suspicious of the traditional belief that the Bible is “the inspired word of God.” He rewrote the story of Jesus as told in the New Testament and compiled his own gospel version known as The Jefferson Bible, which eliminated all miracles attributed to Jesus and ended with his burial. The Jeffersonian gospel account contained no resurrection, a twist to the life of Jesus that was considered scandalous to Christians but perfectly sensible to Jefferson’s Deistic mind. In a letter to John Adams, he wrote, “To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, God, are immaterial is to say they are nothings, or that there is no God, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise” (August 15, 1820). In saying this, Jefferson was merely expressing the widely held Deistic view of his time, which rejected the mysticism of the Bible and relied on natural law and human reason to explain why the world is as it is. Writing to Adams again, Jefferson said, “And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter” (April 11, 1823). These were hardly the words of a devout Bible-believer.
Read the rest
October 8th, 2005 at 9:43 amAphrodite,
When you sneak out on Hephaestus again for your date with Joe Sixpack, you will need a new frock.
This is what you are looking for.
They even have New “Majestic Plus Sizes” to fit that full Grecian figure.
October 8th, 2005 at 10:07 amPrometheus
The scariest part about that web site is that there have been 346k visitors so far. Ewwwww.
October 8th, 2005 at 1:36 pmSusan - Thank you for your generous, philanthropic nature. I don’t need you to educate my kids on economics - thanks, but, no thanks!! At your convenience, please settle a wager between my husband and me - Mr. Aphro says you are NOT aware of the strong support of the Revolutionary Communist Party and the RCP Youth Brigade for worldwont/cantwait. I think you are VERY BRIGHT and you DO know of the strong support of the RCP. Two of my four junior Republicans joined in the fun - they are curious how many “Impeach/I HATE/ Shrub” bumper stickers you have on your Prius. Have a great weekend!
October 8th, 2005 at 1:41 pmWow, at this point I would support any type of revolution. Tell Mr. Aphro to get his gun, because I am bringing mine.
October 8th, 2005 at 1:58 pmSponge- It figures you would “support any type of revolution” - Mao? Fidel? Jefferson? Lenin? Washington? - what’s the difference - you see one revolutionary, you’ve seen them all!! Neither Mr. Aphro or I are worried about your “firepower”, but we ARE pleased to see you are a Second Amendment supporter!!
October 8th, 2005 at 3:17 pmMr. Aphro? Your “junior republicans” as you called them? I’m having second thoughts here about our date just when I was gettin’ all worked into a lather. I’m getting the feeling I’m not the only one who’s married!
But correct me if I’m wrong, but us conservatives like to throw out that Second Amendment stuff. Like most rightwing rednecks, I don’t know all ten by heart but I try to live my life by ‘em. Except when I try to covert my neighbor’s wife or take the Lord’s name in vain. How about Mr. Aphro, does he do that, too?
October 8th, 2005 at 3:45 pmPrometheus
The scariest part about that web site is that there have been 346k visitors so far. Ewwwww.
Comment by SpudgeBoy — October 8, 2005 @ 1:36 pm
That’s just in the last few hours, Spudgeman. It was posted on a thread at a very popular left, liberal/progressive site, (I won’t drop names) and all those hits are just curiosity related by those of us who live in the present.
October 8th, 2005 at 3:46 pmSusan - Thank you for your generous, philanthropic nature [sic].
You mean “gesture”.
October 8th, 2005 at 3:47 pmI don’t need you to educate my kids on economics
I have better things to do than run through all the threads looking for all the posts by this hapless creature which relate to her bizarre, twisted and ill-informed ideas on genetics, race, culture, family, crime and education but it would be interesting to see how her even more hapless children mature and develop. Bigotry is learned. They have 3 strikes against them already.
October 8th, 2005 at 4:04 pmHermaphrodite, I know in some cases education is a lost cause by reading your rants. However, your children deserve an education whether you feel they need it or not. If you deny them an education your children will be taken away from you.
By the way, which part of you produced children? Just curious.
October 8th, 2005 at 4:34 pmThe Lord is a credible partner who doesn’t take a cut.
October 8th, 2005 at 4:35 pmThats why he is used by Republicans.
October 8th, 2005 at 4:35 pmPrometheus,
Whew, I thouhgt those were all crazy religious zealots actualy dressing that way. Like it’s 1935. Get out of the dark ages. Sheesh.
October 8th, 2005 at 5:02 pmI meant 1835.
October 8th, 2005 at 5:06 pm#120
Let me clarify, since you are so thick in the skull. I support any revolution to take these guys out. They are ruining our country and only ibiciles like you don’t see it.
Go blow Mr. Aphro. It would help more than sitting here posting on a site that clearly despises you.
October 8th, 2005 at 5:37 pmSusan - and other “well-meaning” (?) Progressives - I was fortunate enough to be able to leave my “Peace, Love, Dove” days behind to a stridently vocal group of whiners and malcontents. My loving hubby says you won’t answer the q’s in #118 - I disagreed and told him you would be PROUD to answer - you are confident of you are righteousness.
October 8th, 2005 at 5:43 pmI don’t participate with the rantings of a lunatic hermy.
You are an extremist who cannot make a point. You make no sense to me. Give up trying.
Consider the education I offer, you could use it.
October 8th, 2005 at 6:11 pmSusan - and other “well-meaning†(?) Progressives - I was fortunate enough to be able to leave my “Peace, Love, Dove†days behind to a stridently vocal group of whiners and malcontents. My loving hubby says you won’t answer the q’s in #118 - I disagreed and told him you would be PROUD to answer - you are confident of you are righteousness.
No one here feels “peacey, lovey, dovey” towards you.
October 8th, 2005 at 6:20 pmAnd furthermore, as the country moves farther left, as it’s doing, and has done historically every time there is war, because war is the most liberalizing thing there is, look it up, RCP loses it’s moderates to the progressive left, and radicals on both the right, like you, and on the left get relegated to the fringe. So who really cares? Neither you, nor the RCP are “American” enough for the majority of the country, in spite of what you may think. We don’t want your brand of 12th century Christo-fascism any more than we want or Sharia or 13th century Islamic religious authoritarianism or the RCP’s Maoist-Leninist-Stalinist authoritarian ideology. We are a liberal democracy here. Always were. Always will be. Both of you fringies are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. And neither of you will ever come to power. Not here.
October 8th, 2005 at 6:54 pmProof:
http://home.hamptonroads.com/ stories/ story.cfm?story=93369&ran=72372&tref=po
October 8th, 2005 at 6:55 pmMake that a liberal/progressive/secular democracy. And now that it’s been demonstrated to one and all that those ideals are “conservative” ideals, you can go back to stockpiling ammo and playing silly wargames in the woods with your wingnut friends. Don’t forget to be careful with the “live fire” exercises. We wouldn’t want to lose all of you. We need a few around so we can point you out to our kids and laugh.
October 8th, 2005 at 7:01 pm#136 - You guys reproduce?? Think of how many more little voters you would have if you didn’t kill so many of them.
Susan - Hubby won the bet - you aren’t proud of what you promote.
October 8th, 2005 at 8:26 pmYou really should check your facts. White women are five times more likely to avail themselves of abortion than black women and it has had a negligible effect on population counts. People have the same number of kids. They just have them when they want to.
More bad news:
http://ucsense.blogspot.com/ 2005/ 10/ gop-thinks-senate-could-be-at-risk.html
October 8th, 2005 at 8:55 pmSusan,
You go right ahead and use the RCP and any other org that puts warm bodies on the streets to fight the right. The left will use them as “useful idiots” just like the right uses hermaphrodite and he/she’s cuckold and the other useful idiots on the right.
October 8th, 2005 at 9:01 pmhttp://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/26178/