ElBaradei, Smeared By Administration, Wins Nobel Peace Prize
ElBaradei, Smeared By Administration, Wins Nobel Peace Prize
Today, the Nobel Committee issued a strong rebuke to the Bush administration by awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to IAEA head Mohamed ElBaradei.
In response, the Secretary of State Rice said in a statement, “I congratulate the International Atomic Energy Agency and its Director General, Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei, on being awarded this year’s Nobel Peace Prize.” Last year, the administration was less generous with their praise. In fact, it launched a smear campaign to prevent ElBaradei from returning for a third-term as head of the nuclear watchdog agency.
In its efforts to bring him down, the administration leaked false intelligence about Egypt:
Diplomats in Vienna suspect the story circulating in the press about a clandestine nuclear program in Egypt is part of an American-led campaign to oust the head of the international agency charged with preventing the proliferation of atomic weapons. [New York Sun, 1/5/05]
And tapped his phone:
The Bush administration has dozens of intercepts of Mohamed ElBaradei’s phone calls with Iranian diplomats and is scrutinizing them in search of ammunition to oust him as director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, according to three U.S. government officials. [Washington Post, 12/12/04]
John Bolton, recess-appointed-ambassador to the UN, led the charge against ElBaradei and went “out of his way to bad-mouth” him during those months.
Why did the administration want him out so badly? It disagreed with ElBaradei about Iraq’s nonexistent WMD program. ElBaradei, if you’ll recall, turned out to be right.
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October 7th, 2005 at 2:27 pmWhoah, the government attacking someone baselessly for purely political purposes? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!
October 7th, 2005 at 2:28 pmNobel Peace prizes should be awarded posthumously, imo, that way jerks like Arafat don’t get any.
I’m glad ElBaradi won this year’s. If nothing else at least someone was doing their job and got it right.
October 7th, 2005 at 2:31 pmWork Wife #1 (condi rice) Gave a tight lipped Congrats.I would’ve love being a fly on that wall. When that news filter into the oval office. wonder what bolton boy said?
October 7th, 2005 at 2:36 pmDoes it scare anybody else when Bush makes statements like:
“She is going to be on the bench,” he said. “She’s going to be confirmed.”
Every other time he has said this:
“We will win Florida.”
“We will take Ohio.”
How can Bush rig the Senate? Nevermind, I know the answer.
October 7th, 2005 at 2:40 pm“Turd Blossom! Get in Here! You were supposed to destroy this man for making us look like fools! Fools I Say!”
October 7th, 2005 at 2:49 pmAbsolutely perfect. The punks in office got punkd.
October 7th, 2005 at 3:06 pmDear “Useful Idiots” – Do not wonder why we hold the Nobel “Piece” prize in such DISDAIN – to give one to the kindly, bumbling moron, President Jimmy “Rabbit” Carter, and that corrupt evil corpse, AraFAT removes all honor from the prize. El Baradei would need a road map to find his own ass.
October 7th, 2005 at 3:14 pmThat would be the same reason you hold PEACE in such disdain, right?
Maybe you should be mighty ares. There’s a lot more war in you than there is love.
October 7th, 2005 at 3:18 pmLOL — how funny that Mighty Aphrodite thinks that anyone here or anywhere else in the world give a rat’s ass what “we” (by which I must assume s/he means “me and the other other wingnuts”) think about the nobel peace prize!!! I suppose Bush Sr. is now going to send his back?
He isn’t??
Oh well. Maybe the next bit of moral indignation will work out better for you.
October 7th, 2005 at 3:21 pmTerrorists like Mighty Windbag always hold peace in disdain. She/He, Ann Coulter and Osama Bin Laden all believe violence is ‘good’.. They’re psychopaths who need straight jackets…
October 7th, 2005 at 3:21 pmHey mighty, I think you need to go back on your meds. You are one angry sack o’ crap!
We know why the fascists in the US hate the UN and any other international body. You’re vitriolic spew doesn’t surprise us at all.
Oh yeah and PISS OFF! :D
October 7th, 2005 at 3:25 pmPakistan, India, North Korea, Iran, Libya -
Did I miss any of the places where the International Atomic Energy Agency failed to detect or halt the development of nuclear weapons in the last 8 years?
October 7th, 2005 at 3:28 pmI know, I know, Aphro, if one of your criminals didn’t get it, it means nothing. Yeah right.
If your team didn’t win the game, it is “home cookin.” If your dog didn’t win the show, it was a bad show. If your daughter didn’t win the pageant, it was thrown. And the most famous to date, if your guy gets indicted, it was a phone grand jury. I know, I know, your crap don’t stink. Yeah right. What are you 10 years old? You are defending criminals. Shame on you.
October 7th, 2005 at 3:37 pmAgain, someone named after the wrong god in their mythology. And misspelled at that.
Yeah, you missed one. Iraq.
Oh, no, they don’t count because they don’t HAVE nuclear weapons, right?
Right, so why did we invade them again?
October 7th, 2005 at 3:39 pmPro-war and pro-death penalty and pro-life??? I am confused. How long does it take you to screw your socks on in the morning?
October 7th, 2005 at 3:39 pmI’m glad he has been awarded the Peace Prize. Despite the philosophy of MA and other violence-prone, hateful right-wing barbarians, some people do try to avoid war.
October 7th, 2005 at 3:41 pmIt must be particularly frustrating for reichwingers that ElBaradei was proven correct in his evaluation of Iraq… It’s clear they only way they can live with themselves at this point is to reject all reality, facts and simply lie to themselves continuously… How sad and psychotic…
October 7th, 2005 at 3:54 pmLokki wrote:
Pakistan: Not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, therefore not subject to IAEA inspections/regulations.
India: Not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
North Korea:
Iran:
Libya: Can’t find a source at work with reference to the discovery of Libyan nuclear program/aspirations, though Libya is a signatory to the NPT it was common knowledge they were looking into the arms race for ten years. Libya and N. Korea were sold nuclear supplies from our friend, Pakistan.
IMO non-proliferation doesn’t work unless every able country signs onto the NPT, but it doesn’t make the IAEA worthless.
October 7th, 2005 at 3:58 pmBush and Blair punched in the nose
October 7th, 2005 at 4:00 pmP&P
All 3 of those reicwhinger stands are about power.
The Reichwing stand on Pro war is about power and oppression of dissent (although ironically war causes more dissent and less stability for all involved typically, especially when you give the people you attack little to live for).
The Reichwing stand on Pro death penalty is about the fear of minorities and poor people and the misguided belief that by showing the ‘power’ of life and death you’ll deter crime (a completely discredited misconception).
The Reichwing stand on Pro Life (eg. anti civil liberties) is about power over women and reproduction. Mainly men are pro life because they fear women and the power of women – but some women have been coaxed into this belief by the ’save the children’ mantra and a complete lack of science. Generally speaking they wish to ‘control’ others ability to terminate a fetus because of their own feelings of personal inadequacies and the subconscious fear that they are the fetus being aborted.
If you look at the progressive stance on all 3 of these items, instead they are about civil liberties, freedoms and freedoms from oppression by others. But that threatens the fearful who only know ‘power’ and ‘control’ as their methods of interacting with others. If they grew up in households that didn’t teach them basic skills for conflict resolution, this is particularly problematic. This is why so many respond to the ‘evil dad’ persona of GeezAssW, who reflects power unbridled by conscience – and therefore their ‘father’ figure of a dysfunctional childhood…
October 7th, 2005 at 4:01 pmLesly, BRAVO! :-)
October 7th, 2005 at 4:08 pm“Pakistan, India, North Korea, Iran, Libya -
Did I miss any of the places where the International Atomic Energy Agency failed to detect or halt the development of nuclear weapons in the last 8 years?”
Comment by Lokki — October 7, 2005 @ 3:28 pm
Exactly how were they going to “halt” anything? Do they have a standing army? Nuclear weapons? And lets see your evidence on “failed to detect” – if there is any. The only way they could do their jobs effectively is with the support of the world community, hence the “International” modifier. If members of that international community decide on their own to act unilaterally, is the Agency going to blockade their countries until they stop? C’mon weasel, tell us how it’s done!
October 7th, 2005 at 4:12 pmAre those the same guys that were going to bring ethics and responsibility back to the White House?
October 7th, 2005 at 4:13 pmAphrodite, #9, hi, toots. I coundn’t help but want to jump in with you on top of these liberals here when I saw that “useful idiots” crack. Good going. Also, that remark about our disdain for the Nobel “Peice” Prize as you called it was right on. I mean, the prize was not only given to Jimmy Carter, but the likes of the Dalai Lama, Doctors Without Borders, Lech Walesa and Mother Teresa for God’s sake and not one real Republican in the bunch!
Correct me if I’m wrong, honey. but just who is El Baradei or Barcardi or whoever? The rednecks down here at the bar say “Baradei” is the name of a bottle of rum or something.
By the way, Aphrodite, you calling it the Nobel “Peice” Prize reminded me to ask you when we going to get together for a beer?
October 7th, 2005 at 4:15 pm#14 – missed Israel. Ooops, sorry, they don’t count for you guys go they?
October 7th, 2005 at 4:20 pm““Pakistan, India, North Korea, Iran, Libya -
Did I miss any of the places where the International Atomic Energy Agency failed to detect or halt the development of nuclear weapons in the last 8 years?â€
Comment by Lokki ”
Actually the IAEA was involved in detecting and reporting issues in both North Korea and Iran. They are a detection and management arm – the ‘military’ enforcement is up to the UN. Because of american disregard for the authority of the UN for legitimate purposes, the Iraq war has undermined our moral authority to actually do enforcement and has compromised our ability to contain either North Korea or Iran. Instead our NeoCon dopes went after the country with the most oil, but that contained NO nuclear capabilities – morons! North Korea restarted its nuclear program after Republican Congressmen repeated undermined the shipment of oil/fuel to them under Clinton (in breach of the agreement we signed). It was our reichwing morons who breached the deal first – not the North Koreans. No matter what one thinks of North Korea – the reality is just like this country has done for 400 years with native americans, we broke the treaty and now blame the other side… Some things never change!
As for Pakistan, and India – neither were signers to the international treaty (as others have aptly pointed out), and therefore not under the jurisdiction of the IAEA inspectors.
As for Libya – they didn’t sign onto the IAEA until March 2004, well after they themselves agreed to give up Nukes in favor of promised economic aid (which the US of course has broken its promises and promptly not delivered – and we wonder why the world doesn’t trust us).
October 7th, 2005 at 4:22 pmAt least one newsworthy group in the world is able to stand up for truth, justice, and is able to hit BushCo hard. Could it be an indication of how others around the globe might feel?
October 7th, 2005 at 4:25 pmJesus,
I travel quite a bit, the rest of the world knows EXACTLY who bush is. They’re just hoping we can fix the voter fraud and elect a legitimate government again – and in the meantime they treat us like they do all dictators with lots of weapons…
October 7th, 2005 at 4:57 pmThe Cheney administration is despicable.
October 7th, 2005 at 5:36 pmThey are truely vile.
“Pro-war and pro-death penalty and pro-life???” – PP
I know multiple concepts are difficult to follow. Here’s the remedial version:
Pro-war: means ENFORCING (a DIFFICULT concept for libs) a cease-fire that was agreed to by Saddam Hussein
Pro-death penalty: I am personally against the death penalty – but conservatives generally support this method of punishment because it is EARNED by committing heinous crimes.
Pro-life: many conservatives are pro-life – I’ve always wondered how the Dem “Defenders of the Defenseless” could so cavalierly kill their own offspring? Because you are SO sure of your pro-”choice” position – please explain EXACTLY when a “fetus” is viable?
“I’m glad he has been awarded the Peace Prize. Despite the philosophy of MA and other violence-prone, hateful right-wing barbarians, some people do try to avoid war.
October 7th, 2005 at 6:25 pmComment by Marie — October 7, 2005 @ 3:41 pm”
….”Some people do try to avoid war”…Hell, Marie, I bet you’d sleep with enemy if you thought you’d live through the night – you’d probably call it a “multi-cultural” experience. As a right-wing “barbarette” (we are the female barbarians adored by real men every where!) we are the the gals who would just as soon shoot (and kill!) a suicide bomber so there would be less chance of killing innocent folks, as we would go get a pedicure. We are loyal, dependable and damn good shots.
mighty aphrodite is a troll, treat her/him as such.
October 7th, 2005 at 6:28 pmC’mon, nice try but you are weak. You get to decide who lives and dies because you know best. Jesus wouldn’t be for the death penalty now would he christian?
There is clear evidence when fetuses begin brain function.
Bush did not try to AVOID war, he lied to get into one. You prop up criminals.
October 7th, 2005 at 6:30 pmWingers have no pride, they bow to power and
October 7th, 2005 at 6:32 pmhave no self-respect or free-thought.
Just ask Rove, he will tell you what to
think.
SIXPACK – You HAVE become one of my favourite commie/libs!!! I’ll NEVER have a beer with you – I’m watching my girlish figure – but sometime we’ll chat over a Chardonnay or vodka and tonic!!! The Dalai Lama and Mother Theresa (aren’t they religious types – and don’t you guys ALWAYS make fun of religion?) Now I know if they had named those cult heroes of the left, Gorbachev or Paul Wellstone (posthumously, of course) your excitement would know no bounds.
October 7th, 2005 at 6:36 pmConservatives like to inflict punishment because they feel they know more than others. That concept keeps them from ever learning from their mistakes. Just like the rampant corruption in Washington right now, history will out all of these criminals.
Don’t you ever get tired of trying to find excuses for crime?
October 7th, 2005 at 6:37 pmNo, dumb troll, we don’t make fun of religion. You repubs seem to have trouble with nuances and putting things in context. You didn’t score very high on your SATs did you?
October 7th, 2005 at 6:39 pmThese trolls remind me of Archie Bunker.
October 7th, 2005 at 6:40 pmA slap in the face to the shrub, who needs to be knocked around a lot more by lots more people.
October 7th, 2005 at 6:40 pmPP – You are truly arrogant – I don’t presume to speak for Jesus. I told you I am against the death penalty. I think you could benefit from remedial reading exercises.
October 7th, 2005 at 6:41 pmI thought christians were supposed to live in the light of Jesus? He wouldn’t have lied to go to war. We were duped and so were you. It is just taking you a bit longer to realize/admit it.
Remedial reading? I could always learn something new. You already know it all. Again, not very high on the SATs, huh?
October 7th, 2005 at 6:44 pmPP – As I recall, I scored fairly well on my SAT – on my LSAT as well. But I am sure YOU (a legend in your own mind) are much more intelligent than any conservative you never met.
October 7th, 2005 at 6:46 pmPP – are you against aborting fetuses with brain function? unless, of course mom’s life was in true danger?
October 7th, 2005 at 6:48 pmI would not waste much time on mighty “the wind” aphrodite,
October 7th, 2005 at 6:51 pmhe/she is a hypocrite Cheney administration brown-noser troll.
Pretty lame for the most part. SSDD right-wing drivel.
What I don’t understand is why he/she hangs around here.
Some kind of masochist loser I suppose.
I am not a legend and never avered to be. I’m sure many will remember me for being such a positive element in the workforce, but legend, I think no. That makes little sense to say anyway. And no, I’ve worked for and over conservatives that were much more intelligent than myself. They are sorry for voting for Bush and regret this war.
Why do you like to be here? What do you get?
October 7th, 2005 at 6:54 pmafterthought – Great minds think alike. I asked her the same thing. What do you get out of being here with us? I mean, republicans never do anything that doesn’t have a reward in it for them.
October 7th, 2005 at 6:55 pmAphrodite, you really know how to hurt a guy. Call me a lowdown, redneck, rightwing sleazebag if you want. Call me a typical, loudmouthed, conservative jerk-ass who wouldn’t know a dirtbag like Rove from a puke like DeLay. Go ahead, hon, I can take it. But calling me a commie/lib was a real blow to my psych.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Chardonnay—-isn’t that what those girlie-men drink that Arnold warned us about? I mean, I like my drinks from a well at the bar or out of a longneck. The only bubbly us redneck conservatives like are the kind that gives us lots of gas to belch out loud with. (Like Billy Beer).
I like it when you play hard to get! What if I promise to shave the hair off my shoulders before we go out?
October 7th, 2005 at 6:56 pmPP – I don’t know which progressive sites you’ve been visiting, but many contributors on each site SLAM traditional religions and their “ignorant” members. I am sure there are several exceptions to the following BUT the only religions I have NOT seen cricized by the left are:
October 7th, 2005 at 7:01 pm1.) Islam
2.) “New Age”
3.) Secular/Religious Humanism
4.) Pagan or Wicca
5.) Buddhism
If you are an observant Jew or practicing Catholic, Mormon, or fundamentalist Christian be advised to avoid sites such as this if you are thin skinned.
I noticed P&P.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:02 pmI still wonder if there is some kind of winger
initiation right where you have to collect so many
comments from “scary lefties” until you can join
the Drudge a**-kissing club or something.
PP – It’s fun to come here and practice – we view argument as sport.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:04 pm#49.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:04 pmThat’s just stupid. If you bring your own baggage
along that is just NOT our problem.
Find somewhere else to troll.
Afterthought – just a few more of your hand wringing comments and I can be a “Pioneer”. Thanks!!!!
October 7th, 2005 at 7:06 pmSo what? yassir arafat was also awarded the nobel peace prize. It is controlled by anti-American and anti-Israel far leftists who give out the prize based on politics, not merit.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:07 pm#52 – Stupid – but true. Read the volumes of religious bigotry by the like of the “tolerant” Ryan Neat, Jesus Christ God of War, Sponge Boy, Susan, Marie, and my favourite, Sharon Cox…..Blessings!
October 7th, 2005 at 7:11 pmAphrodite, your shot in #51 that us conservatives view argueing as a sport is a little off.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but someone down at the Hog’s Breath bar said farting was a sport in down in Crawford. What’s your opinion?
October 7th, 2005 at 7:17 pmSIXPACK – “Call me a lowdown, redneck, rightwing sleazebag if you want. Call me a typical, loudmouthed, conservative jerk-ass who wouldn’t know a dirtbag like Rove from a puke like DeLay. Go ahead, hon, I can take it. But calling me a commie/lib was a real blow to my psych….” But, honey, if I called you any of those things, then I would be a liberal – and you know what a MENACE I think liberalism is!!! HA! And, no, you don’t have to drink chardonnay – I wouldn’t want to waste good wine on someone with your unsophisticated palate – drink all the beer you want – just don’t peel the label on that long neck…
October 7th, 2005 at 7:18 pmI don’t think going on ANY political website should be for the thin skinned, especially during these times. I don’t really care who practices what religion, if any. I don’t really care who has sex with whom. I also don’t care what your political affiliation is, however, this site, in particular, is for those of us who want politics and the future of such to PROGRESS. We don’t want to revert back to robber baron days when a very few very rich controlled the very many very poor. We are here to discuss this and are very open and extremely individual so there is no blueprint with respect to those who post here. Some of us have found a home here and have trouble understanding why the few trolls come here to call us Filthy and commies. It is so old. It is unoriginal and has totally lost all meaning. At this point, repubs seem to just keep repeating the same silly rhetoric over and over. It appears that they wish to disrupt and annoy. Why spend time trying desperately to make others upset, even when it is utterly useless?
We blast those who come here and try to derail progress regardless of their religion. BUT, when they bring up their religion and wear it on their sleeve (which Jesus said never to do) we will call them on it. This is not a religious site. We all know what happens when religion mingles with politics. We don’t want that and will not stand for it here.
See, many progressive people believe that religion is merely a gathering of people that meet up once or twice a week and try to find new and different ways to make everyone part of their “club.” They don’t seem to be okay with the fact that they have their nice little church and all feel exactly the same way. For some reason, they wish others to feel that way too. It can appear to some as cultish.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:18 pmI think I’m falling in love.
Let me correct that. I just lost my balance over the toilet is all.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:21 pmSIXPACK – At the Hog’s Breath Bar, farting is a sport – I am sure YOU are the GRAND PRIZE WINNER – but among my friends and colleagues, we argue POLITICS for SPORT before dinner and SOCIAL POLICY over dessert.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:22 pmBuck up Sixer, we love your Filthy Right comments. You know what you need? Another beer. Beer run anyone?
October 7th, 2005 at 7:23 pmPP – You need to get up to speed. I agree – this is not a religious site – just tell that to the dim-witted Nico WHO brought Harriet Miers “church” to this website!! (and had to fall all over himself “apologizing”!!!) How’s this for a proposition – we’ll stop calling you commies when you stop trying to redistribute the wealth.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:28 pmThomas Jefferson was the first to talk of redistribution and I’ll stick by him. Up to speed? Whose speed? I’m one of the only ones here to give you the time of day and you offer me nothing. Why are you here again?
October 7th, 2005 at 7:35 pmHermaphrodite is feeling quite Mighty (manic) today.
He/She supports the slaughter of our troops but does not support the slaughter of a convicted murderer. Hmmmm..
He/She does not believe that He/She is speaking for Jesus but He/She does believe that He/She decides who is worthy of life and who isn’t.
Don’t we usually arrest people like this. Or at least have them evaluated at a Mental Hospital?
October 7th, 2005 at 7:37 pmAdditionally, the Nobel Peace Prize winner was a huge “bitch slap” to Bushie.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:39 pmWar Protest – Nov 10 2005 Take a day off! – Please Read
If you feel, as the majority of Americans and people throughout the world do, that the war in Iraq is wrong, and you wish you had a way to show the Bush Administration, the Government of the United States, and the world, how you feel about it, then join us in our world wide walk out on November 10th 2005.
Show the world how you feel, and just how many of us feel this way. Let’s drive the point home by taking away from them their most precious item; money.
On November 10th 2005, unless you hold a position which people rely upon in the event of an emergency (you work at a hospital, a firemen, policemen etc), don’t go to work. Try not to drive your car; don’t watch T.V.; don’t use the internet. Stay at home. Read a book. Play with your kids. Engage in a hobby.
Plan a vacation day at work. Call in sick. Use your best judgment on how to take this day off.
If we don’t get their attention this way, we’ll just do it again, until we do.
If the people speak, and speak together, they have to listen.
Please email this to as many of your friends and colleagues as you wish/can.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:40 pmWell, as a rightwing redneck, I wish it were true, aphrodite, that I was a Grand Prize Winner. Sad to say, I was caught cheating and disqualified when they found I was cupping my hand in my armpit and flapping my arm. Oh, well, like you say I ain’t got any sophistication.
But correct me if I’m wrong, aphrodite, but since we’re talking about cheating rednecks, don’t you think that for Bush and his buddies to try and undermine a true statesman like El Baradei by using a political hack like John Bolton was just a little tiny bit underhanded, even for this White House?
October 7th, 2005 at 7:40 pmSusan, you’re so cool. And Smedley, I thought it was November 2? I have alerted all here in TN (red state my ass) that I will not be at the office. What’s up with Nov. 10. I mean, I’ll take as many days as necessary.:-)
October 7th, 2005 at 7:42 pmThe 10th is already marked on my calendar Smedley. Why cant we use the internet though?
October 7th, 2005 at 7:42 pmActually I think your correct PP. It is the second. Let me get an address, hold on.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:44 pm“Afterthought – just a few more of your
hand wringing
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ha, you wish.
comments and I can be a “Pioneerâ€. Thanks!!!!”
I think calling you a masochistic loser was about right.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:44 pmNovember 2, 2005 “Dont go to work”.
http://www.worldcantwait.org/getActive/actionCalls/event.php?id=4
October 7th, 2005 at 7:47 pm“#52 – Stupid – but true. Read the volumes of religious bigotry by the like of the “tolerant†Ryan Neat, Jesus Christ God of War, Sponge Boy, Susan, Marie, and my favourite, Sharon Cox…..Blessings!
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
Sorry, but I have read your rantings before.
October 7th, 2005 at 7:47 pmSeems like you have the bigotry problem.
Weren’t you moving to Israel?
I don’t blame you, as it seems a nice place.
You can still post drivel on the “internets” (winger dorks)
from there.
favoUrite?
October 7th, 2005 at 7:50 pmBut all you “patriotic protesters” will want to be paid for not going to work, right? “Just call in sick”, that’s no lie! Please – take more days off – the roads will be easier to navigate my behemoth car and the stores will be wide open – yippeeee!!! Rich & middle class conservatives spend alot more than you guys anyway – isn’t that one of the things you hate about us – our conspicuous consumption?? Well, trust me, the folks whho make the stuff buy appreciate our business! Why are the majority of libs SOOOOO cheap? Please keep the limo-libs home that day, too!! Thanks!!!!!
October 7th, 2005 at 7:54 pmYou really aren’t very good at this flaming stuff
October 7th, 2005 at 7:56 pmare you mighty aphrodite? Isn’t there a winger
class at some Aspen resort where you can learn
to be coherent?
Take the war protest thread. Put it in an email, send it to your friends.
Post it on Craigslist in the Community/Politics section.
Title it: War Protest – November 10, 2005 – Take a day off!
We can’t post the same thread more then once, and there are only so many ways to say it.
Post it on all your blogs!! GET THE WORD OUT!!
October 7th, 2005 at 8:05 pmLook, you can SPEND all you want, but that won’t FILL you up. That is one thing I despise. The idea that more STUFF will make you happier. It won’t. Happiness is something that you have work for, not spend for. It is something that engulfs you and makes you feel good for others. It makes you want others to feel as happy as you are. It is called SHARING. Obviously a foreign concept for you.
Less is more for those who find strength from within and not from the wallet. I thought you have been to church.
BTW, I have an alloted amount of days to use as I work 90 hours a week – YES 90. 55 here at the office and the rest at home. I am always on call and receive the same salary no matter how long I am here. I work this hard for OTHER PEOPLE. I work for a law firm that does Pro Bono work for, right now, attorneys that have NO PLACE TO PRACTICE because of the damage in LA. Which, by the way, happened because GREEDY republicans thought that the levees were JUST FINE and gutted Clinton’s budget to fix them.
I just want to, on behalf of the 658 SURVIVORS, thank you for all you greedy selfish “SPENDERS” have done for America.
You need to leave here before you get even drunker.
What the hell do you do for others? KILL?
We aren’t cheap, we are CONSERVATIVE. OUCH, that must hurt!!!!
October 7th, 2005 at 8:06 pmNo, Aftertaste, Charles Rangel, Howard Dean and Louis Farrakhan are fine examples of bigotry. About Israel – a “person not worth naming” thought I should move there as I am a supporter of the state of Israel – perhaps you were confused by our “back and forth”.
Please visit Susan’s FAVOURITE new site (www.worldcantwait.org)!! I LOVE the part where conservatives can see the names of those good folks who promote the Revolutionary Communist Party and the RCP Youth Brigade through their support of worldcantwait – Since I have an aversion to gulags and pogroms it’s best to know who these people are!
October 7th, 2005 at 8:07 pmLOL afterthought.
For the record, the only time I’ve discussed religion was when I felt it was necessary to show support for the conviction of priests who rape boys. That happened to be months ago.
The hermaphrodite does not want to hear my take on religion believe me.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:08 pm#80, Yeah, that’s what I read from reading MA.
#79 MA,
October 7th, 2005 at 8:14 pmSo what do you think of Cheney’s gulags?
Why do you think McCain doesn’t like American gulags?
Oh wait, I suppose McCain is a commie, right?
Oh, and MA, don’t flatter yourself, you don’t confuse
me a bit. I had you pretty well figured out from
the first post I read.
The only thing I don’t get is why you hang around
here like a wannabe.
Hermaphrodite, I’m self employed so I can take off any day that I want. Bushie is directly responsible for this because he took my “job” away. For that I thank the freak, I’m much better off spending my time doing what I enjoy doing instead of working for a scumbag republican.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:14 pmAphro, you want to come here and prance around with your I SPEND SO MUCH routine. Put up or shut up or just go back to Wal-Mart. You are a real piece of work. What have you done for anyone other than yourself?
October 7th, 2005 at 8:15 pmYou see P&P,
October 7th, 2005 at 8:19 pmThat is what is so great about being a winger,
they get to do everything “just for me”.
No country
No community
No shared sacrifice
Nothing but “me me me”
Sort of like a two year old.
What have you done for anyone other than yourself in the last 30 days? SPEND? You should be shuttled off to the Mariana Islands and have to work in a Delay sweatshop. You are underserving of American citizenship and I am ashamed to be from the same country you are.
Just go away and hone your hatred some other place. We are thinking, feeling, compassionate human beings and you, YOU, are not welcome. You are selfish, ugly, mean spirited, crass, irrational and wholly unappreciative of this great nation that you take for granted.
You are underserving of liberty. Oh hell, I’m ashamed to have interacted with you.
Sorry all, you warned me, never engage a stupid troll. Sorry again for taking up so much of your time.
Much LOVE to all, I must go. I have a death penalty case on Monday (I’m sure you are happy that more may be dying, Aphro) and my job is Habias Corpus. Good night and wish me luck.
Good night Gracie.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:24 pmGood night afterthougt. Good night Ryan Neat. Good night Susan. Good night Sixer. Good night Mary Ellen. Good night Johnboy.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:25 pmSusan – Your opinions on religion mean nothing to me -
PP – You have NO idea with whom (and HOW MUCH) I donate. (You sound a little like a pre-school teacher.) I’m sure you are very generous. But how many people does $1.98 feed? I’ve watched them pass the buckets at “we-hate-Bush” rallies and most of you are CHEAP. Relax, you never have to refer to yourself as , God forbid, “conservative” when discussing your finances. The word “thrifty” might suit you better (I give alot of credit to that ol’ money wizard, George Soros,he’s not cheap!!) Unlike libs, I believe true charity should be anonymous – I don’t contribute to my favourite charities to get a pat on the back or a tax break. Buying as a hobby is boring – but getting to shop for things my family needs on a day when YOU ALL won’t be there – too good to be true!!!!!!!! Thanks!!
October 7th, 2005 at 8:25 pmWow AP, you seem like a really sad person.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:30 pmAre you sure this hatred thing is working for you?
Maybe you should leave the dark side.
You really hang around rallies watching what other people donate?
At rallies you don’t agree with?
That is a really sad way to spend your time.
I hear stamp collecting can be very rewarding.
Why don’t you contribute your stupid worthless time. It’s not about MONEY you stupid freaking dolt. It’s about TIME. It’s about your TIME. Can you hear me dumbass? Anyone can donate a few damn dollars and never feel the bite.
TRY SOME TIME. DONATE TIME. DID I SAY THAT LOUD ENOUGH? I can’t believe you don’t get it. I am astounded by you. It….is….about….time. Something that you CANNOT afford no matter how much you make. Trump has billions, but TIME? That is a different story.
You don’t understand charity and never will. Your breeding shows.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:30 pmI’m glad to hear that hermaphrodite. You are useless and serve no purpose, you prove that by using the words “donate” and “charity”. You can’t grasp the simple concept of giving without a dollar sign attached to it.
Thanks but no thanks hermy, your $$$$$$ are not needed here and have no value to real American’s.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:31 pmDon’t encourage hermy too much PP. He/She might sign up for the Big Brother/Big Sister program. That would be a huge disaster.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:33 pmSusan, I know you’re self employed – so why ask for donations??
PP – You need to stop taking disagreement so personally!! But please, stop telling me how you’ve cornered the market on “goodness” and how fabulously compassionate you are – Americans are a very generous people but sometimes libs forget that ALL Americans are great contributors to charity – We don’t brag about what WE DO FOR others – unlike you. Being against the death penalty, I wish you great luck!! I do hope if your client is guilty they lock him up – please watch those mitigating circumstances!
October 7th, 2005 at 8:36 pmUnderstood, Susan. I just have a hard time understanding the “money” is everything role. It saddens my heart. The survivors that we have here don’t want money, they want their family back. They want their dogs and cats back. They want their cool jazz on the streets back. Offer them a $100 bill and watch the puzzled look. Attorneys from New Orleans have all the money they desire. What they want is friendship and understanding. That doesn’t come from the wallet, that comes from within.
I can’t believe these vacuous dolts who think a buck will set them free.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:38 pmAphro, you do brag and you steal. You will get what is coming to you.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:39 pmAs far as my client, you are too stupid to even understand; that is clear from your posts. Now run along and shoot someone or defend us from Saddam, or buy for us to make us stronger.
You will recieve all you deserve.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:40 pm“Thomas Jefferson was the first to talk of redistribution and I’ll stick by him.” – PP
October 7th, 2005 at 8:43 pmThanks for clearing up that you LIKE Thomas Jefferson. I like many of his ideas – but not all. I was confused because for a while the left kept slamming “dead white guys” – glad you’re not in that camp!! Isn’t he the founding father who took such a hit from the left for the Sally Hemming business?? No wonder the Big dog loves so much!!
So MA, you have nothing but contempt for the rest of the world’s opinion of Mr El Baradei and his award on behalf of the IAEA. What award do you think Mr Bush should win and who from?
October 7th, 2005 at 8:47 pmOr should I say Alexa?
October 7th, 2005 at 8:47 pmThanks for visiting my site hermy. You may have noted that I provide a service and payment for that service is not required.
As for the hundreds of hours I have spent trying to pass legislation for your childrens education, I have yet to be paid one cent for that. You can thank me with a swift departure from here, that would be thanks enough.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:52 pmTerryturtle – how about the “FREEDOM AWARD” for President Bush?? Mr El Baradei would demand to see a film clip of Saddam Hussein personally ordering WMD’s moved – or destroyed -
October 7th, 2005 at 8:59 pmMighty Windbag queen of nonsense and smears.
And yet ElBaradei detected the North Korean and Iranian breaches. Clearly your irrational hatred of anyone who presents facts contrary to your delusion is treated with ineptitude and disdain on your part.
But then again, since you republicans originally sold the WMDs to Iraq, clearly you had a reason to believe Saddam still had them. Too bad you substituted your inept and unscientific judgement for the experts who actually do this for a living, just as you and your party does on EVERY scientific or factual event. It just shows how psychopathic you and your movement are, it doesn’t win you anything real…
October 7th, 2005 at 9:07 pmYou have it Ryan!
October 7th, 2005 at 9:11 pmWhat does the right have against competent people
who do their jobs well?
“PP – You need to stop taking disagreement so personally!! ”
You’re right – that’s what republicans all do. Any time you point out they’re stupid morons who lie, they take it so personally…
“But please, stop telling me how you’ve cornered the market on “goodness†and how fabulously compassionate you are – Americans are a very generous people but sometimes libs forget that ALL Americans are great contributors to charity – We don’t brag about what WE DO FOR others – unlike you. ”
Well when republicans actually start doing good, people like P&P will have a reason to believe differently. The fact that you give a tiny bit of money to charity so you don’t have to give a large amount in taxes is just a rationalization you provide for yourself when you’re critized for being selfish, heartless and greedy. The fact is you are, and everyone knows it but you…
“Being against the death penalty, I wish you great luck!! I do hope if your client is guilty they lock him up – please watch those mitigating circumstances!”
You’re against the death penalty? This made no sense, but nothing you write MrWrong does… I like your knew chick persona, she’s even more stupid than you are as a man and even easier to trash…
October 7th, 2005 at 9:11 pm“PP – You have NO idea with whom (and HOW MUCH) I donate. (You sound a little like a pre-school teacher.) ”
Sure we do, because you said you pay your full taxes, so if you actually donated real money to charity this wouldn’t be true. So either you were lying about paying full taxes, or donating to charity. I suspect you were lying about everything, as republicans like you tend to be pathological and inconsistent liars…
October 7th, 2005 at 9:13 pm“I’ve watched them pass the buckets at “we-hate-Bush†rallies and most of you are CHEAP. Relax, you never have to refer to yourself as , God forbid, “conservative†when discussing your finances.”
Really? That’s irrational, because rallies don’t generally take donations – that’s not why people go to rallies unless they’re republicans… Anyway, is that why moveon.org tends to raise more money than they ask for every time they ask? Because progressives are cheap?
You sure are a creepy and delusional liar Mr. Wrong. You may have taken on a new personna, but you’re the same old lying bag of crap.
October 7th, 2005 at 9:15 pm“But all you “patriotic protesters†will want to be paid for not going to work, right? “Just call in sickâ€, that’s no lie!”
Bahaha, is that how you justify your miserable failure of only having 400 people show up at your war rally? That democrats took time off from work and made republicans pay for it? Wow you are definite schizophrenic MrWrong if you believe this claptrap….
” Please – take more days off – the roads will be easier to navigate my behemoth car and the stores will be wide open – yippeeee!!! ”
You said almost the thing thing Mr.Wrong last month – are you just copying this from another site, or from your past posts? Or is there a script for propagandists like you that you read from. This is entirely unoriginal and nonsensical, but then again, as a riechwinger that’s to be expected.
“Rich & middle class conservatives spend alot more than you guys anyway – isn’t that one of the things you hate about us – our conspicuous consumption?? ”
Actually what’s hated is that you cheat, lie, oppress, don’t pay your fair share, benefit more from government and exploit those people who work harder but cheat less than you do…
“Well, trust me, the folks whho make the stuff buy appreciate our business! Why are the majority of libs SOOOOO cheap? Please keep the limo-libs home that day, too!! Thanks!!!!!”
Nice framing argument, but actually republicans are cheap – that’s why they make the federal government divert working class people’s taxes into their no-bid contracts and scams so they don’t have to work, and the money they ‘invest’ in politicians is returned through illegal kickbacks. It’s also why you don’t want to pay taxes, yet you want all of the benefits of a civil society. You claim democrats are cheap, yet democrats raise basically the same amount of campaign funds and the working class pays more taxes relative to their ability than the wealthy republicans who scam our country.
But then again, I doubt you’re actually part of the ‘core’ republicans who benefit from this policies, and you probably blame democrats for your failures – when in fact it’s your own party that prevents you from succeeding. After all, how can one compete with no-bid contracts? And republican tactics are all about cronyism. So unless you ‘marry into’ the money or find a way to be let into the inner circle – you’re screwed and are too stupid to even know it..
October 7th, 2005 at 9:22 pmThat was very good Ryan.
October 7th, 2005 at 9:26 pmYou have much more patience than I do.
Right on Ryan.
October 7th, 2005 at 9:51 pm“Thanks for clearing up that you LIKE Thomas Jefferson. I like many of his ideas – but not all.”
How can the wrong wingers always say “Our founding fathers” this and “Our founding fathers” that, but not agree with them.
You are either with us, or you are against us.
You either agree with what this country was founded on our you are a traitor to this country.
October 7th, 2005 at 11:02 pmOh, and I did some checking, it was in fact IAEA who discovered the Libyan nuclear program through ‘undercover’ investigations… So the nitwit who was criticizing their ‘failures’ must have worked for the nigerian iraq memo generators. Clearly they have a loose grasp on reality…
October 8th, 2005 at 3:33 amSIXPACK – You HAVE become one of my favourite commie/libs!!! I’ll NEVER have a beer with you – I’m watching my girlish figure – but sometime we’ll chat over a Chardonnay or vodka and tonic!!! The Dalai Lama and Mother Theresa (aren’t they religious types – and don’t you guys ALWAYS make fun of religion?) Now I know if they had named those cult heroes of the left, Gorbachev or Paul Wellstone (posthumously, of course) your excitement would know no bounds.
Comment by mighty aphrodite —
Favourite? That’s the Canadian or English spelling. And it may actually be a female. Since you professed an interest in, (and a knowledge of, although you actually didn’t possess said knowledge) in Philology, an interesting point about beer and wine, my dear Ms. Thing:
Beer was important to early Romans, but during Republican times wine displaced beer as the preferred alcoholic beverage. Beer became a beverage considered fit only for barbarians; Tacitus wrote disparagingly of the beer brewed by the Germanic peoples of his day. BTW, I stole the fire that I gave to man from your dour and humorless husband Hepaestus, the god of smithing’s forge. Hephaestus wasn’t too bright, or handsome. He also created the “gift” that the gods gave man, the woman Pandora and her famous box. You were pretty much of a bitch.
“Aphrodite, in many of the myths involving her, is characterized as vain, ill-tempered and easily offended. Though she is one of the few gods of the Greek Pantheon to be actually married, she is frequently unfaithful to her husband, Hephaestus.”
October 8th, 2005 at 4:09 am“Thanks for clearing up that you LIKE Thomas Jefferson. I like many of his ideas – but not all. I was confused because for a while the left kept slamming “dead white guys†– glad you’re not in that camp!! Isn’t he the founding father who took such a hit from the left for the Sally Hemming business?? No wonder the Big dog loves so much!!
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Well I’d love for you to tell us which of his ideas you think you don’t like, and then I will give you your opinion. The rest of that rant is complete and utter nonsense. It’s the right who spiritually baptize the deceased as libertarians or conservatives because they cannot protest the anachronism: Locke, Smith, Paine, Jefferson, Spooner, etc., were all progressive liberals then and they would still be today.
Just Jefferson, for instance on revealed religions:
I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.
Jefferson again:
Christianity…(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. …Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus.
More Jefferson:
The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves…these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.
Jefferson’s word for the Bible?
Dunghill..
Jefferson was quite a fan of Jesus’ teachings. He actually took a razor to the Bible to cut out all the bullshit. It’s called the Jefferson Bible. You should read what the rest of the founders wrote and thought about organized religion and bullshit. They were rational people of science and knowledge, unlike you.
October 8th, 2005 at 4:27 amThanks Prometheus,
I have read what some of the founders thought
October 8th, 2005 at 8:47 amabout organized religion and these Jefferson
quotes seem consistent.
It is very clear that the founders were very
concerned about orgainized religion having
a corrupting effect on the new country.
The contrast with the teachings of Christ
is quite telling.
It would appear that with the power of
organized religion comes the inevitable
corruption per Lord Acton.
The Faith of our Founding Fathers, by Dean Worbois
No one disputes the faith of our Founding Fathers. To speak of unalienable Rights being endowed by a Creator certainly shows a sensitivity to our spiritual selves. What is surprising is when fundamentalist Christians think the Founding Fathers’ faith had anything to do with the Bible. Without exception, the faith of our Founding Fathers was deist, not theist. It was best expressed earlier in the Declaration of Independence, when they spoke of “the Laws of Nature” and of “Nature’s God.”
In a sermon of October 1831, Episcopalian minister Bird Wilson said,
Among all of our Presidents, from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism.
The Bible? Here is what our Founding Fathers wrote about Bible-based Christianity:
John Adams:
Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?
Also Adams:
The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.
Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states:
The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.
Here’s Thomas Paine:
I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible).
Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to ‘God’ to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator’s name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible).
It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible.
Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins…and you will have sins in abundance.
The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty.
Finally let’s hear from James Madison:
What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy.
Madison objected to state-supported chaplains in Congress and to the exemption of churches from taxation. He wrote:
Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.
These founding fathers were a reflection of the American population. Having escaped from the state-established religions of Europe, only 7% of the people in the 13 colonies belonged to a church when the Declaration of Independence was signed.
Among those who confuse Christianity with the founding of America, the rise of conservative Baptists is one of the more interesting developments. The Baptists believed God’s authority came from the people, not the priesthood, and they had been persecuted for this belief. It was they—the Baptists—who were instrumental in securing the separation of church and state. They knew you can not have a “one-way wall” that lets religion into government but that does not let it out. They knew no religion is capable of handling political power without becoming corrupted by it. And, perhaps, they knew it was Christ himself who first proposed the separation of church and state: Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and unto the Lord that which is the Lord’s.
October 8th, 2005 at 9:35 amLike the rest of the bullshit Aphrodite sells. She is a polytheistic pagan goddess after all.
The Christian Nation Myth
Farrell Till
Whenever the Supreme Court makes a decision that in any way restricts the intrusion of religion into the affairs of government, a flood of editorials, articles, and letters protesting the ruling is sure to appear in the newspapers. Many protesters decry these decisions on the grounds that they conflict with the wishes and intents of the “founding fathers.”
Such a view of American history is completely contrary to known facts. The primary leaders of the so-called founding fathers of our nation were not Bible-believing Christians; they were deists. Deism was a philosophical belief that was widely accepted by the colonial intelligentsia at the time of the American Revolution. Its major tenets included belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems and belief in a supreme deity who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws. The supreme God of the Deists removed himself entirely from the universe after creating it. They believed that he assumed no control over it, exerted no influence on natural phenomena, and gave no supernatural revelation to man. A necessary consequence of these beliefs was a rejection of many doctrines central to the Christian religion. Deists did not believe in the virgin birth, divinity, or resurrection of Jesus, the efficacy of prayer, the miracles of the Bible, or even the divine inspiration of the Bible.
These beliefs were forcefully articulated by Thomas Paine in Age of Reason, a book that so outraged his contemporaries that he died rejected and despised by the nation that had once revered him as “the father of the American Revolution.” To this day, many mistakenly consider him an atheist, even though he was an out spoken defender of the Deistic view of God. Other important founding fathers who espoused Deism were George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen, James Madison, and James Monroe.
Fundamentalist Christians are currently working overtime to convince the American public that the founding fathers intended to establish this country on “biblical principles,” but history simply does not support their view. The men mentioned above and others who were instrumental in the founding of our nation were in no sense Bible-believing Christians. Thomas Jefferson, in fact, was fiercely anti-cleric. In a letter to Horatio Spafford in 1814, Jefferson said, “In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is easier to acquire wealth and power by this combination than by deserving them, and to effect this, they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer for their purposes” (George Seldes, The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey Citadel Press, 1983, p. 371). In a letter to Mrs. Harrison Smith, he wrote, “It is in our lives, and not from our words, that our religion must be read. By the same test the world must judge me. But this does not satisfy the priesthood. They must have a positive, a declared assent to all their interested absurdities. My opinion is that there would never have been an infidel, if there had never been a priest” (August 6, 1816).
Jefferson was just as suspicious of the traditional belief that the Bible is “the inspired word of God.” He rewrote the story of Jesus as told in the New Testament and compiled his own gospel version known as The Jefferson Bible, which eliminated all miracles attributed to Jesus and ended with his burial. The Jeffersonian gospel account contained no resurrection, a twist to the life of Jesus that was considered scandalous to Christians but perfectly sensible to Jefferson’s Deistic mind. In a letter to John Adams, he wrote, “To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, God, are immaterial is to say they are nothings, or that there is no God, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise” (August 15, 1820). In saying this, Jefferson was merely expressing the widely held Deistic view of his time, which rejected the mysticism of the Bible and relied on natural law and human reason to explain why the world is as it is. Writing to Adams again, Jefferson said, “And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter” (April 11, 1823). These were hardly the words of a devout Bible-believer.
Read the rest
October 8th, 2005 at 9:43 amAphrodite,
When you sneak out on Hephaestus again for your date with Joe Sixpack, you will need a new frock.
This is what you are looking for.
They even have New “Majestic Plus Sizes” to fit that full Grecian figure.
October 8th, 2005 at 10:07 amPrometheus
The scariest part about that web site is that there have been 346k visitors so far. Ewwwww.
October 8th, 2005 at 1:36 pmSusan – Thank you for your generous, philanthropic nature. I don’t need you to educate my kids on economics – thanks, but, no thanks!! At your convenience, please settle a wager between my husband and me – Mr. Aphro says you are NOT aware of the strong support of the Revolutionary Communist Party and the RCP Youth Brigade for worldwont/cantwait. I think you are VERY BRIGHT and you DO know of the strong support of the RCP. Two of my four junior Republicans joined in the fun – they are curious how many “Impeach/I HATE/ Shrub” bumper stickers you have on your Prius. Have a great weekend!
October 8th, 2005 at 1:41 pmWow, at this point I would support any type of revolution. Tell Mr. Aphro to get his gun, because I am bringing mine.
October 8th, 2005 at 1:58 pmSponge- It figures you would “support any type of revolution” – Mao? Fidel? Jefferson? Lenin? Washington? – what’s the difference – you see one revolutionary, you’ve seen them all!! Neither Mr. Aphro or I are worried about your “firepower”, but we ARE pleased to see you are a Second Amendment supporter!!
October 8th, 2005 at 3:17 pmMr. Aphro? Your “junior republicans” as you called them? I’m having second thoughts here about our date just when I was gettin’ all worked into a lather. I’m getting the feeling I’m not the only one who’s married!
But correct me if I’m wrong, but us conservatives like to throw out that Second Amendment stuff. Like most rightwing rednecks, I don’t know all ten by heart but I try to live my life by ‘em. Except when I try to covert my neighbor’s wife or take the Lord’s name in vain. How about Mr. Aphro, does he do that, too?
October 8th, 2005 at 3:45 pmPrometheus
The scariest part about that web site is that there have been 346k visitors so far. Ewwwww.
Comment by SpudgeBoy — October 8, 2005 @ 1:36 pm
That’s just in the last few hours, Spudgeman. It was posted on a thread at a very popular left, liberal/progressive site, (I won’t drop names) and all those hits are just curiosity related by those of us who live in the present.
October 8th, 2005 at 3:46 pmSusan – Thank you for your generous, philanthropic nature [sic].
You mean “gesture”.
October 8th, 2005 at 3:47 pmI don’t need you to educate my kids on economics
I have better things to do than run through all the threads looking for all the posts by this hapless creature which relate to her bizarre, twisted and ill-informed ideas on genetics, race, culture, family, crime and education but it would be interesting to see how her even more hapless children mature and develop. Bigotry is learned. They have 3 strikes against them already.
October 8th, 2005 at 4:04 pmHermaphrodite, I know in some cases education is a lost cause by reading your rants. However, your children deserve an education whether you feel they need it or not. If you deny them an education your children will be taken away from you.
By the way, which part of you produced children? Just curious.
October 8th, 2005 at 4:34 pmThe Lord is a credible partner who doesn’t take a cut.
October 8th, 2005 at 4:35 pmThats why he is used by Republicans.
October 8th, 2005 at 4:35 pmPrometheus,
Whew, I thouhgt those were all crazy religious zealots actualy dressing that way. Like it’s 1935. Get out of the dark ages. Sheesh.
October 8th, 2005 at 5:02 pmI meant 1835.
October 8th, 2005 at 5:06 pm#120
Let me clarify, since you are so thick in the skull. I support any revolution to take these guys out. They are ruining our country and only ibiciles like you don’t see it.
Go blow Mr. Aphro. It would help more than sitting here posting on a site that clearly despises you.
October 8th, 2005 at 5:37 pmSusan – and other “well-meaning” (?) Progressives – I was fortunate enough to be able to leave my “Peace, Love, Dove” days behind to a stridently vocal group of whiners and malcontents. My loving hubby says you won’t answer the q’s in #118 – I disagreed and told him you would be PROUD to answer – you are confident of you are righteousness.
October 8th, 2005 at 5:43 pmI don’t participate with the rantings of a lunatic hermy.
You are an extremist who cannot make a point. You make no sense to me. Give up trying.
Consider the education I offer, you could use it.
October 8th, 2005 at 6:11 pmSusan – and other “well-meaning†(?) Progressives – I was fortunate enough to be able to leave my “Peace, Love, Dove†days behind to a stridently vocal group of whiners and malcontents. My loving hubby says you won’t answer the q’s in #118 – I disagreed and told him you would be PROUD to answer – you are confident of you are righteousness.
No one here feels “peacey, lovey, dovey” towards you.
October 8th, 2005 at 6:20 pmAnd furthermore, as the country moves farther left, as it’s doing, and has done historically every time there is war, because war is the most liberalizing thing there is, look it up, RCP loses it’s moderates to the progressive left, and radicals on both the right, like you, and on the left get relegated to the fringe. So who really cares? Neither you, nor the RCP are “American” enough for the majority of the country, in spite of what you may think. We don’t want your brand of 12th century Christo-fascism any more than we want or Sharia or 13th century Islamic religious authoritarianism or the RCP’s Maoist-Leninist-Stalinist authoritarian ideology. We are a liberal democracy here. Always were. Always will be. Both of you fringies are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. And neither of you will ever come to power. Not here.
October 8th, 2005 at 6:54 pmProof:
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=93369&ran=72372&tref=po
October 8th, 2005 at 6:55 pmMake that a liberal/progressive/secular democracy. And now that it’s been demonstrated to one and all that those ideals are “conservative” ideals, you can go back to stockpiling ammo and playing silly wargames in the woods with your wingnut friends. Don’t forget to be careful with the “live fire” exercises. We wouldn’t want to lose all of you. We need a few around so we can point you out to our kids and laugh.
October 8th, 2005 at 7:01 pm#136 – You guys reproduce?? Think of how many more little voters you would have if you didn’t kill so many of them.
Susan – Hubby won the bet – you aren’t proud of what you promote.
October 8th, 2005 at 8:26 pmYou really should check your facts. White women are five times more likely to avail themselves of abortion than black women and it has had a negligible effect on population counts. People have the same number of kids. They just have them when they want to.
More bad news:
http://ucsense.blogspot.com/2005/10/gop-thinks-senate-could-be-at-risk.html
October 8th, 2005 at 8:55 pmSusan,
You go right ahead and use the RCP and any other org that puts warm bodies on the streets to fight the right. The left will use them as “useful idiots” just like the right uses hermaphrodite and he/she’s cuckold and the other useful idiots on the right.
October 8th, 2005 at 9:01 pmhttp://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/26178/
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/08/04/fox_news_joins_slimy_campaign_to_smear_air_america.php
October 8th, 2005 at 9:27 pmAir America Radio up 140% in LA, eating up Rush Limbaugh’s audience
It’s over kids. Buy your tickets. It’s time to emigrate.
October 8th, 2005 at 9:28 pmIt’s fun to watch the smear machine work. Works both ways, kids.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/30/124315/828
There’s more of us, than you. Buy those tickets. Git while the gittin’s good. 2006 gonna make you cry. 2008 goona make you wish you died.
October 8th, 2005 at 9:33 pm“A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN”
Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer’s medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance – now Joe gets it too.
He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.
In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.
He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union.
If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he’ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn’t think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.
It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university.
Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads.
He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers’ Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans.
The house didn’t have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification.
He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to.
Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn’t mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: “We don’t need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I’m a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have.”
October 9th, 2005 at 3:25 amAll you liberals fail to see that you keep loosing. You’d rather see this country fall under the hands of killers, and America haters like the UN, the IAEA, and others just as long as others join you in the hating of the President and conservatives. Little do you know that everyday there are those like me, non-white, non-rich, non-christian, foreign-born individuals that see your ideals to be nothing but a total lack of any love for this great country. If you don’t want America to succeed, fine. Just stop victimizing every group–even yourselves–into thinking that you have the country’s best interest at heart, because you don’t. That lie is not going to work anymore. It’s okay to love and support your country; wishing its defeat is treason.
October 9th, 2005 at 5:38 amAll you liberals fail to see that you keep loosing [sic].
Yes. All the torpedoes we have been “loosing” have sunk your canoe. Tippecanoe and Tyler, too.
Maybe you came to the wrong country. Welcome to America. Now go home.
October 9th, 2005 at 6:29 amI need your help, very badly.
I’m trying to get this war protest off the ground. I’m posting it as often as I can and as much as I can through CraigsList and email. But there is only so much I can do by myself…
If you would like to protest the war, by simply taking the day off of work on November 10th 2005, then please take my post off of this site that starts with “War Protest†and post it in as many places as you can. CraigsList, blogs, email, everywhere. Just take 10 minutes to help me get the ball rolling, and then take the 10th of November off. That’s all it would take. Anymore help beyond that which you think would be helpful, is greatly appreciated as well.
I can’t do it without your help.
Please.
Thanks
October 9th, 2005 at 12:36 pm“….He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to…..” – Joe Democrat
“….so Joe wouldn’t have to.”
October 9th, 2005 at 5:17 pmJoe, it’s pathetic that libs are sooo proud of “palming off” their parents’ care on other people. What’s the old saying, “One Republican mom can take care of five kids, but five Democrat kids can’t take care of one Mom.” Figures.
“….He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to…..†– Joe Democrat
“….so Joe wouldn’t have to.â€
Joe, it’s pathetic that libs are sooo proud of “palming off†their parents’ care on other people. What’s the old saying, “One Republican mom can take care of five kids, but five Democrat kids can’t take care of one Mom.†Figures.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 9, 2005 @ 5:17 pm
That’s the best you got? No wonder you can only get 400 morons to loiter in D.C.
October 9th, 2005 at 6:17 pmMEDI-PRAYER
If you think Bush is in trouble now, wait till people start experiencing the new Medicare drug benefit. This is going to be a huge debacle.
Friend of mine met with some local health care providers and consumers. People have no idea what they’re in for. Some drugs with no substitutes aren’t covered at all. Some generics give some people side effects, but the name-brand stuff won’t be covered. If you don’t sign up for a plan on time, you get penalized. You get put into a default plan. Then there’s the big donut hole — what one person called “an abyss.” All kinds of shit.
What you have are all sorts of Catch-22s aimed at cutting the cost — which is through the roof anyway — so that the R’s could run on passage of the bill in 2004. Unfortunately they won’t be able to run on its actual implementation. They’ll be running from it.
Democratic moral of the story, going into the ‘06 midterms: don’t let Republicans write social insurance legislation.
But remember HillaryCare. Bigger moral: we need Medicare for all, with full coverage for drugs and mental health. Don’t screw around with “public-private partnerships” to save the health insurance industry.
Incidentally, this is the only way to control currently unsustainable health care costs, in both the private and public sectors.
October 9th, 2005 at 6:20 pm# 123 – No, Promo – I meant NATURE – libs think they are genetically superior to mere mortals (aka: Conservatives)
“Susan – Thank you for your generous, philanthropic nature [sic].
You mean “gestureâ€.
Comment by Prometheus — October 8, 2005 @ 3:47 pm
#149 – Joe- you still can’t, don’t or won’t address the issue of “palming off your parents” – your straw man postings fail miserably in the arena of argument.
October 9th, 2005 at 6:33 pmI don’t see argument or debate from you. No one here ever has. All we ever see is very tired, old rhetoric. You make cliches sound fresh, vibrant and original.
October 9th, 2005 at 6:57 pm# 123 – No, Promo – I meant NATURE – libs think they are genetically superior to mere mortals (aka: Conservatives)
“Susan – Thank you for your generous, philanthropic nature [sic].
You mean “gestureâ€.
Comment by Prometheus — October 8, 2005 @ 3:47 pm
What the hell are you talking about? You make no sense at all, (probably because you can’t admit to making a mistake, and we all know who that reminds us of). You continue to make a fool of yourself here. I hope your kids don’t get their brains from you and their looks from daddy.
October 9th, 2005 at 7:00 pm#149 Joe,
October 9th, 2005 at 9:16 pmAA is pathetic. I read your entire post on the other thread and it is a good one. She is simply desperate to find something to rag on — and she has failed – as usual.
In a few years these people will be taken on when the limelight has faded – rest assured, vengeance will be taken!
October 10th, 2005 at 8:52 am“….He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to…..†– Joe Democrat
“….so Joe wouldn’t have to.â€
Joe, it’s pathetic that libs are sooo proud of “palming off†their parents’ care on other people.
How does collecting social security and a union pension constitute “palming” off anyone?
Working people pay into those systems every work day of their working lives. They’ve earned every penny.
Wow. Seriously clueless. Someone better teach your children economics. You certainly can’t.
October 10th, 2005 at 9:32 amI hope the liberals, I mean democrats, get their way with this country. I didn’t want to live a good life anyway. I just ask one thing in return, for once in your lives accept responsibility for your own actions when things go horribly wrong.
October 10th, 2005 at 12:08 pmTim, WTF are you talking about? You know what’s really funny — when repubs talk about “taking responsibility” it’s usually about poor people living on welfare. When it comes to leaders actually taking responsibility, well, the crazies can’t defend their actions fast enough — even when those actions include robbing those same crazies blind.
I’m not really a fan of clinton (tho I desperately miss having a competant president), but this “take responsibility” line reminds me of the time Clinton apologized for holding up traffic at LAX — even tho he didn’t — and 4 years into his presidency, bush couldn’t think of a single mistake he had made.
But republicans are ALL ABOUT personal responsibility.
October 10th, 2005 at 1:16 pmI hope the liberals, I mean democrats, get their way with this country. I didn’t want to live a good life anyway. I just ask one thing in return, for once in your lives accept responsibility for your own actions when things go horribly wrong.
Comment by Tim Webb —
OK. Ya mean like this?
NEW YORK After news broke that local law enforcement officials were investigating complaints that Louis Beres, longtime chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon, had molested three female family members when they were pre-teens, The Oregonian in Portland went out and interviewed Beres’ family members.
Two told reporters that Beres, indeed, had molested them. All three said they have been interviewed for several hours by detectives.
“I was molested,” said one of the women, now in her early 50s. “I was victimized, and I’ve suffered all my life for it. I’m still afraid to be in the same room with [Beres].”
The coalition led by Beres, 70, champions socially conservative candidates and causes. Its Web site describes the group as “Oregon’s leading grassroots organization defending our Godly heritage.” The group opposes abortion, gay rights, and stem cell research. It is affiliated with the national Christian Coalition, which was founded in 1989 by television evangelist Pat Robertson.
The group confirmed Beres is under investigation for alleged molestation. According to The Oregonian, Beres blamed “personal and political enemies” for the reports and said, “I never molested anybody.”
Beres is also former chairman of the Multnomah County Republican Party.
Two of the alleged molestations occurred decades ago and likely would not result in criminal charges because state law limits prosecution of certain crimes. But one case may fall within statutory timelines. It involves a female family member who was allegedly molested by Beres when she was in elementary school, authorities said.
Beres family members told The Oregonian that they called the child abuse hotline last month after several women in the family said they openly discussed for the first time what happened with Beres.
Rich Galat, 41, of Oakland, Calif., a Beres nephew, said he told detectives that Beres has molested several female family members over two generations. “My family has gone through hell,” Galat told the newspaper. “Lives have been ruined. Those of us who have come forward have been ostracized, verbally abused and the victims of character assassination . . . . It must stop.”
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001263321
Blow it out yer ass and die, Tim. We don’t want you molesting our children, or yours.
October 10th, 2005 at 1:32 pmKorry- thanks for the Social Security update – Whew! I thought for a second a few million dollars was being collected by elderly parents (from a variety of countries) after their kids came here legally. Oh…they can collect after working their whole lives – even if it’s not in the US?? – clever!!! And who do you suppose SHOULD care for old parents if Medic-Aid and Medi-Care were’nt around to pick up the slack of the self-absorbed “child”?
October 10th, 2005 at 3:39 pmSocial Security is not a welfare program, it’s an insurance program that people can collect after paying into it. And it doesn’t just cover the retired. It covers disability and helps single parents with their minor-aged children if their working spouse has died (my mother gets it for my sister because my father, who was the chief bread winner, died at age 42).
Scream all you want about self absorbtion, but many families simply cannot afford to support their families and their elderly parents (especially if there were no medicare or medicaid). Not to mention the elderly people who have no families to care for them — I’ve known a few in that situation. Should they live off cat food because they don’t have a family and you don’t like seeing the deduction on your paycheck? Because I think that’s what your dislike for SS comes down to — it means less money for you now.
So who’s the self-absorbed one again?
October 10th, 2005 at 3:54 pmAnd who do you suppose SHOULD care for old parents if Medic-Aid and Medi-Care were’nt around to pick up the slack of the self-absorbed “child�
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Some people choose not to have kids. Who should care for them? Some people, like you should not have children, because clearly, there is a possibility they may grow up to be like you, ignorant, bigoted and unable to think critically.
October 10th, 2005 at 4:02 pm161 – Jamie – OK – it’s only a welfare program after the retired employee collects their “insurance” for three years. It is NOT “insurance”. An insurance company takes your premium payment and INVESTS it – thus, producing revenue and….voila, the company has $$ to pay claims. Social Security is a PONZI scheme which takes from one group, and gives it to another group. The “surplus” they spend like drunken sailors.
If old people have no children, OF COURSE we should pay for their care!!!! If elderly parent with living kids has to choose between an Rx and food we should punish their rotten “child”. I would favour one day a week in the stocks where we could throw pies or tomatoes but I would settle for docking theie income tax return or welfare payments. Grown kids should not ask anyone else to pay for their dear parents, or their prescriptions. My brothers sister and I were fortunate to have a wonderful mother and it was our PRIVELEGE to have her in our home and pay for that which was necessary to take care of her. Dems kids love old people as long as they are not inconvenienced.
October 10th, 2005 at 5:04 pmDuh – read #163 – S-L-O-W-L-Y…
October 10th, 2005 at 5:06 pmAnd of course, all retired Republicans opt out of their social security benefits after three years because they don’t want to be on “welfare”.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
October 10th, 2005 at 5:22 pmAnd who is who are spending like drunken sailors these days?
October 10th, 2005 at 5:23 pmCorrection – Who is it who are spending like drunken sailors these days?
October 10th, 2005 at 5:23 pmAnd you know absolutely nothing about elder care of parents being a partisan issue. That’s about the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.
Maybe you could take a stroll through a nursing home and ask the people who feel neglected whether their children are Democrat or Republican.
Most of your partisan arguments are just baseless and stupid, much like most right wing nut jobs I’ve encountered.
October 10th, 2005 at 5:38 pmWhat about those “rotton” children who can’t afford to care for their elderly parents? You didn’t respond to that. What if they have to choose between caring for their children and caring for their parents? Would you punish them?
October 10th, 2005 at 5:59 pmHere’s an interesting tell-all book that talks about the ‘conspiracy of lies’ that went into the Iraq War. It’s particularly relevant to this thread!
http://www.buzzflash.com/premiums/05/10/pre05137.html
October 10th, 2005 at 6:10 pm#165 – No, only the ones who KNOW it’s a PONZI scheme. (It is very DIFFICULT to opt out.)
#167 – Both parties are spending like crazy and unfortunately, our President is not VETOING anything! (He is such a nice guy – he thinks you can “make friends” with people who hate you – many of us know better!)
#168 – It has been revealed that 83% of nursing home residents have Dem “kids”. The rest were Greens.
#169 – What did “grown kids” do with inconvenient parents before they had a government program – put them out on an ice floe?? Buck up!!
October 10th, 2005 at 6:40 pmWow, that’s a lying load of crap. How Republican of you. Talking points. No evidence.
October 10th, 2005 at 6:46 pmBefore social security, many seniors were in poverty — that’s why ss was created. As for your 3 years argument — about half of people who pay in to ss take more out than the put in — the other half put more in than they take out. My mother is collecting ss for my sister because my father died. By the time my sister turns 18, my mother will have taken out a fraction of what my father put in. And because he died before he retired, no one else is going to collect that money. It’s why the pool system works
Loving your country means more than just saluting the flag. Being a responsible citizen means more than just looking out for your own. Having a strong nation means more than just having a powerful military. If you can’t see the benifit of ensuring that retired people who worked hard their whole lives and supported the system for their parents don’t live in poverty, then I don’t know what else to say to you.
I hope that the investments I’ve made hold up for the next 50 years. I hope my employer doesn’t screw me out of my pension or 401k like so many others have. I hope the stock market doesn’t take a shit just before I retire. But I know social security will be there for me when I need it — it’s the only guarantee when it comes to retirement (no matter what Bush says). It isn’t much money, but it’s better than nothing.
P.S. My grandfather wouldn’t even let my father buy him a meal. Do you really think he would have asked my parents for money if he needed it? Most people would rather get a check from a government program they paid into than take money from their kids. Maybe you are different.
October 10th, 2005 at 7:27 pmOh, and by the way, public funds can’t be invested in the stock market. For two reasons, I believe. Risk, and potential conflict of interest.
Private pension money can be invested in the stock market. And of course…that’s always SUCH a good thing. As a former long term employee of an Enron subsidiary, ask me how my hard earned 401k is doing. Pfffft….
I believe when the government does have a surplus they do invest it where it is legal to invest public funds. I believe that’s what was being done with the SURPLUS when the last Democratic administration left office.
Ooooops! Not no more!
October 10th, 2005 at 8:13 pm“#165 – No, only the ones who KNOW it’s a PONZI scheme. (It is very DIFFICULT to opt out.)”
Social security is an ‘insurance’, not a retirement fund you stupid nitwit!
“#167 – Both parties are spending like crazy and unfortunately, our President is not VETOING anything! (He is such a nice guy – he thinks you can “make friends†with people who hate you – many of us know better!)”
Bullshit. Republicans consistently spend money they don’t have, and this has been true for the last 30+ years. Democrats spend money generated from taxes and don’t borrow like a crack ho with a stolen credit card. Democrats spend on infrastructure that improves the economy, Republicans piss it away in no-bid contracts, sweetheart tax breaks and nonsense boondoggles. The reality is this bullshit argument that reichwing propagandists always say to justify their irrational and irresponsible spending. It’s just a BIG FAT LIE just like everything else miss bullshit says…
“#168 – It has been revealed that 83% of nursing home residents have Dem “kidsâ€. The rest were Greens.”
The classic bullshit of a propagandist. They deny real facts, and make up propaganda ‘non-facts’ when they want to try to fabricate something. You’re a pathological moron you stupid idiot!
“#169 – What did “grown kids†do with inconvenient parents before they had a government program – put them out on an ice floe?? Buck up!!”
Many people who are old don’t have kids who are still alive you witless twit. And what happened to them? They STARVED TO DEATH you blithering asshole!
The January 1933 census had shown the total number of the nation’s homeless to be approximately 1.5 million, with speculation saying the number was probably closer to 3 million. Many were transients as well as elderly.
You forget that millions of children had been lost in both the war and the pandemic flu of the earlier decade(s). The result was that families were shattered physically and financially. It demonstrated why our then current system was heartless and uncivilized – a situation you are clearly more suited to than our current civilization. I suggest you move to some part of the world without your family and no social network and see how well you fare. But then again, you just speak from stupid ignoranc – I know you’ll never learn anything about being a human being – clearly you don’t have that capacity in this lifetime.
October 10th, 2005 at 8:27 pmAphroASSHAT,
Read this slowly:
[To] attain any success it is quite clear that the Federal government cannot avoid or escape responsibilities which the mass of the people firmly believe should be undertaken by it. The political processes of our country are such that if a rule of reason is not applied in this effort, we will lose everything–even to a possible and drastic change in the Constitution. This is what I mean by my constant insistence upon “moderation” in government. Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.
And then continue to ignore it so we never have to hear from you people again.
October 11th, 2005 at 7:39 amThere is a reason why normal people get banned from sites like FReep, LGF, wherever. We make them look stupid. They ban you and suffer for it in the long run. When they come here, it shows all to clearly. Hoist by their own petard, again.
October 11th, 2005 at 7:43 amI would favour
Not sure about that being NED or the other morons. This is a Brit, Aussie or Canadian.
October 11th, 2005 at 7:49 am#172 Aphro is on the fringes of society. She/he is just naive. Mentioning most children of elderly residents at nursing homes are dems or green is a lie. It is an outright lie. That was pulled right out of thin air. 83%? Where did that come from?
I worked in a nursing home and most were repubs who bled their parents estate by putting them into trusts and then sucking medicare from the government. THEY ARE GREEDY, SELFISH and just plain dishonest THEIVES.
But thanks for pointing that out. You liar.
October 11th, 2005 at 12:26 pm#180 – PP, you are soooo quick!!! I was only having a bit of fun with you – but like MOST “p’s” you have no sense of humour – the truth is 87% of the “kids” who park their parents in nursing homes are Dems – the rest are Greens. Since I do have a sense of humour, I know that most of your nursing home patients were not repubs – because of course we would have had to hire food tasters for those vulnerable old people – who knows how angry a self-righteous progressive can get at someone who is so uncaring as to produce greedy selfish junior repubs??
October 11th, 2005 at 9:36 pmGood thing you have a sense of “humour”. You are going to need it.
October 12th, 2005 at 2:26 amPP – did you know that 82% of Revolutionary Communist Party members HAD been liberal Dems,Greens or “red diaper” Communists? 18% were the children of loyal Americans who fell off the wagon in those bastions of liberalism – the majority of colleges and universities. Their conservative parents mourn still – but ever optimistic – they do not give up hope.
October 12th, 2005 at 11:42 amDoes nobody here remember Hans Blix? El Baradei’s predecessor has also been vindicated by the outcome of the search – and who you may recall made even less conservative claims than ElBaradei.
October 20th, 2005 at 9:45 amCompared to Hans Blix, el Baradei looked like he was a puppet of the Bush administration.
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Arbonne International is one of the best companies in the world when it comes to beauty and skin care. Its skin care line is one of the best in the world that many women. The products of Arbonne International skin care products are developed in Switze…
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