Kristol: “One or More Indictments in the Next Three Weeksâ€
Kristol: “One or More Indictments in the Next Three Weeksâ€
Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol on Fox News Sunday:
Criminal defense lawyers I’ve spoken to who are friendly to the administration are very worried that there will be one or more indictments in the next three weeks of senior administration officials, just looking at what Fitzgerald is doing and taking him at his word, you know, being a serious prosecutor here. And I think it’s going to be bad for the Bush administration.
Someone like Bill Kristol doesn’t get information like this by accident. It’s being fed to him so, if there is an indictment, he can prepare the base. Towards the end of the segment, Kristol got started, saying, “I hate the criminalization of politics.â€
The best way to stop the criminalization of politics is to get the criminals out of politics.
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“I hate the criminalization of politics.â€
Gee, you think, Bill? I wonder if you are having 2nd thoughts for the Republican Syndicate that you helped to create?
October 9th, 2005 at 10:58 pmGet the latest Rove news, timelines, briefings and more at the “Rove/PlameGate Scandal Documents Center.”
October 9th, 2005 at 11:03 pmDidn’t the “Criminalization of politics” bullshit start with Nixon?
October 9th, 2005 at 11:52 pmThis crap has been going own for the longest with Rove, Abramoff and others in the Republican Party. I don’t know why those like Kristol, who appears to be level headed, didn’t attempt to reign in these clowns prior to this disaster.
October 9th, 2005 at 11:57 pmIt couldn’t happen to a better group of people.
He didn’t mind it when they were criminalizing a blow job.
October 9th, 2005 at 11:57 pm“It hate the criminilazation of politics”? Again in the Orwellian world of the neocons they’ve got it backwards…in truth it’s the politicization of criminals that’s their problem. They actively recruit people who are soooo loyal that they’ll do anything illegal and/or unethical to suit the GOP’s interests.
Kristol just dropped a hint of what we’ll see on Fox, MSNBC, and CNN in the coming weeks. The mean old prosecutors going after the innocent as lambs neocons for just being the torch bearers of what the American people ‘want’ which is a farce because they don’t give a damn what the polls say or what we think or want.
They’ll say we’ve done nothing ‘illegal’ as if money-laundering is legal. Not once will they say they’ve done nothing unethical. And will any of those news-spokesbimbos insert the ethics question into their conversations with only Republican pundits and reps? Hell no. Matthews, Russert, et al will take them at their word, give them their PR time on air and go back to their six/seven figure lives when the camera shuts off.
October 9th, 2005 at 11:57 pmRE: “Criminalization of politics†bullshit.I’m amazed that so many have learned nothing from the Nixon years.We have seen this with regards to the comparison of Iraq to Vietnam i.e., and now all this ethics crap.
October 10th, 2005 at 12:04 am[...] From Think Progress [...]
October 10th, 2005 at 12:07 am“I hate the criminalization of politics.â€
Funny, he didn’t mind criminalization of politics during the Clinton administration. He was one of the cheerleaders for impeachment.
October 10th, 2005 at 12:07 amBill Kristol is saying this?? He is one of the prime architects of the neocon movement! If he’s jumping ship, it’s got to be bad!
October 10th, 2005 at 12:08 amits a great day when i can complain about the Delay indictments being off the front pages…….because of the Rove indictments instead!
October 10th, 2005 at 12:08 amYeah, hypocrisy really seems to define Republicans.
October 10th, 2005 at 12:10 am“I think it’s going to be bad for the Bush administration.”
Damn right it’s BAD! Here’s hoping it’s bad enough.
October 10th, 2005 at 12:12 amthanks for the link buckfush. interesting reading and thoughtful ideas.
October 10th, 2005 at 12:14 amRemember the ubiquitous phrase “rule of law”
October 10th, 2005 at 12:16 amduring Blowjob-gate. It was the most uttered
phrase in the country.
Now it seems to have disappeared … maybe
it’s the fact that Rove et al are just
being investigated for *minor* crimes
like TREASON. Ridiculous!
I bet he’d love the criminalization of politics if it were a Democrat or liberal being indicted. He’s a man but with the voice of a mouse.
October 10th, 2005 at 12:17 amIt’s nice that some of the “conservative” talking heads/media can actually bushco is screwing up. He did it one time on Jon Stewart too, although he was & still is a prime backer of the boys at the top.
Rove getting indicted? How can he not be? At least for witholding evidence or lying to the grand jury.
Lets put him & Judy Miller in the same cell together. That would be appropriate punishment for them both.
October 10th, 2005 at 12:18 amApparently Mr. Kristol had a memory-wipe of the Iran-Contra period; we have some of the same players in the present scandal; convicts all (pardoned, of course). How many criminals did we find in the Clinton Administration? Numerous accused criminals, with regular accusation refreshers to this day. Big difference between pardoned convicts and accusees.
If Mr. Kristol hates criminalized politics, may I suggest respectfully that he study the Clinton Administration for some pointers.
October 10th, 2005 at 12:19 amWhat I really hate is the corporatization of politics.
“I hate the criminalization of politics.†(Nice attempt to reframe the problem.) No, Bill, what I really hate is that our politicians are criminals.
LJ
October 10th, 2005 at 12:40 amWell then Bill Kristol shouldn’t have associated himself with all the criminals of this administration when he helped create the Project for the New American Century. This was inevitable.
Here’s hoping for a massive domino effect!
October 10th, 2005 at 12:40 amRove and/or Libby getting hit would be annoying, but I have no doubt that they would not step down for a while, just as Trent Lott was not forced to leave the Senate for openly espousing state sanctioned racism.
Indictments for Bush/Cheney would be bad. That’s the only definition of “bad for the administration” I am prepared to accept.
October 10th, 2005 at 12:45 amBill Kristol is the Chairman of PNAC. These “one or more” people he’s talking about include another PNAC signatory, Libby. Kristol is part of the same gang that did all the cheating and lying.
These people are a dangerous cabal. Are they going to allow justice to proceed unopposed, when it risks ruining everything they’ve plotted for for so long? It seems doubtful.
October 10th, 2005 at 12:54 amCriminalizing politics? Ah yes, the old Iran-Contra excuse rears its ugly said…Why am I not surprised??
October 10th, 2005 at 12:55 amBill…given the scope of the corruption in and surrounding the White House This looks more like the “Politization Of Criminality”
October 10th, 2005 at 1:06 amIt is sad to see that The Republican Party has come under the control of such a Mafia-like crime family. And a sadder spectacle is that the rank-and-file Republicans haven’t pulled a Jesus and kicked these guys out of the temple. For all the right’s professed religiosity, the ordinary Republican has let too many OBVIOUS crminals get away with running the national respect, the international respect, the economy, the environment and for God’s sake, our children into the dirt. The founding faters would vomit if they saw what has been done in their names.
October 10th, 2005 at 1:09 amI hate the criminalization of politics too. As I’m sure Kristol would agree, I didn’t think a bj in the White House deserved an investigation by an independent prosecutor. But I love the criminalization of, you know, criminal acts like outing a CIA operative.
October 10th, 2005 at 1:17 amBush is already dead meat- what has happened in the last month or so is unbelievable. People have been swallowing his load for years- and eventually they reached the breaking point. The Plame fiasco will only add fuel to the fire.
October 10th, 2005 at 1:22 amWhen people like Bill Kristol start jumping ship, you know the ship is sinking.
October 10th, 2005 at 1:32 amHas anyone considered the effect of the president pardoning Karl Rove, et al, right away when the indictments come rolling in? Is he not arrogant and delusional enough to do that?
October 10th, 2005 at 2:19 amKristol belongs in Abu Ghraib with rest of neocon cabal. Go girl…………….
October 10th, 2005 at 2:47 amHere’s a great retort for “Mr. Neocon”, Bill Kristallnacht…
“If you hate the criminalization of politics, then maybe politicians should stop being criminals”
October 10th, 2005 at 2:47 amI just showered after lurking at the freeper site to see what they had to say about this very topic.
Predictably, they spewed their usual vitriol at Kristol, claiming he hated Bush all along.
I recoil in horror when I envision what these people construe as reality.
Come to think of it, I recoil from evil whenever I encounter it.
Wake me when it’s over. I can’t take any more.
October 10th, 2005 at 2:47 amFor anyone who wants to understand how the republican spin cycle works at destroying language and ‘facts’, review this. They live in a vacuum of ‘anti-reason’…
http://polaris.gseis.ucla.edu/pagre/conservatism.html
October 10th, 2005 at 3:24 am34. Have you noticed how long the list is becoming at FreeRepublic of:
(1) Former conservatives that hate Bush
(2) Media pundits that hate Bush
Thet may want to work the list of who likes Bush…it’s a lot shorter and easier to remember. The quality and quantity of posts seem to be going down as the board essence of paranoid rascists,homophobes, christofascists and reality deniers become manifest.
October 10th, 2005 at 3:38 amNeither Libby or Rowe carried out Bush’s dirty work on thier own or without approval from El Presidente.If George W. Bush is not impeach for exposing and fingering a CIA uncover agent there is no justice and no democracy in America. liberty and freedom are nurtured on truth and justice and cannot survive on treachery and deceit.If the constitution is to endure, Bush must be held accountable like every other citizen for his illegal acts and conduct. To fail to do so is to make a lie of what so many have suffered and died for. IMPEACH GEORGE W. BUSH! __JPC__
October 10th, 2005 at 3:58 amFace it- There will be pardons long before any trial, thus eliminating the possibility that the crimes committed by the bush regieme will ever come to light in a public forum.
The fact that the USA electorate refused to challenge the blatantly false “official” 2004 election results is proof enough that the corporate repugs will continue to rule for the foreseeable future.
Stoopid USA citizens will always sell-out the USA in favor of moronic corporate jingles.
Face the truth- Even if rove is shot for treason, almost half of the USA electorate is far too stupid to ever understand the CONCEPT of treason, and most of the other half, is far too stupid to get off their ass and vote.
The USA was once a nation of LAWS. The USA is NOW a nation of MORONS.
For every non-USA citizen who harbors hatred towards the USA, Relax- the USA will be gone forever soon enough. Certainly in less than 2 decades- most likely in less than a decade.
Bide your time, and invest in euros.
The USA is defined by it’s constitution- but almost everyone sworn to to defend the USA constitution is working to destroy the USA constitution.
The noble experiment has failed after more than 2 centuries.
The USA is dead.
As a USA patriot, I am forced to plan a way in which the USA constitution can be restored without A severe loss of life.
Probably not.
George Silva,
Fremont, USA
October 10th, 2005 at 4:11 amWhat these people learned from Watrgate and Iran-Contra is that the worst they can expect is a little humiliation, no real jail time and pardons. If people don’t go to jail this time, they will be back for more crimes and corruption.
October 10th, 2005 at 4:49 amGeorge, you are right, but also so so wrong to dispair.
The corruption runs deep, but there are also a lot of good and very very smary people in America. If the US goes under in a fascist tyranny, the world will certainly go with it.
For that reason, I believe that Fitzgerald and many other brave players in this hidden war against the forces of fascism will prevail and bring down the Bush administration.
The enemy you face is the same one that would have prevented Roosevelt from saving the world from Nazism in the run up last world war. They always lurked within your borders, that is nothing new.
The difference is that this time around the American people have been corrupted by cultural forces aimed at them intentionally. Because of this, they cannot see the nature of the fight they are in, or understand the implications and consequences of failure.
We foreigners who grew up in a world enlightened by the indomitable American spirit of progress are waiting for the day that she shall rise again and throw off this evil and corrupt system of corporate capitalism to which you have enslaved yourselves and all the world with you.
October 10th, 2005 at 5:00 amDancing schadenfreude…
October 10th, 2005 at 5:32 amFor those that believe the election was stolen. what is to stop it from happening again? Who will be installed as our next president?
October 10th, 2005 at 6:29 amThere is nothing to stop another stolen election. No bill mandating paper trails (does anyone know what happened to Rush Holt’s effort on that front?), no serious investigation into the Diebold, ES&S or their owners ties to GOP higher-ups, no justice regarding massive voter suppression. Supine media across the board on all matters “vote fraud”. There’s no f%*&ng chance that the next election is legitimate as long as the media (including the mainstream polling outfits) remains a tool of the mega corprorations and the Democrats can’t muster the courage to fight (every single one of them) to ensure all the votes are being counted legitimately.
Unless the neoconartists believe that the next GOP candidate will start to roll back their Middle East experiment, it’ll be more of the same. McCain will be the next POTUS, but he won’t need to be appointed.
October 10th, 2005 at 7:13 amAs much I as warm to the notion that Bush’s gang of thieves may well do the perp walk for a waiting onslaught of media frenetic with glee — I am terribly sad for our republic which once again will convulse itself because of the abject power mad greed of the few.
Shame on all of them for putting themselves ahead of the American people — who, once again, bare the brunt of their criminal malfeasence. This time, with their lives in Iraq, with their health because we are *still* a nation that will not provide medical care for its citizens, and with the souls of our young people who will suffer the disillusion and misery of knowing their country’s leadership has failed them as my generation did (reaching our maturity in the bad days of Watergate).
Shame, shame, shame.
October 10th, 2005 at 7:39 amThe Bush error is over!
October 10th, 2005 at 7:47 am“I hate the criminalization of politics.â€
Yes, yes, I remember the outrage Kristol expressed over the relentless persecution of Clinton, most particularly when he was forced to submit to a DNA test merely because there was a brief fling in his past. Good grief.
October 10th, 2005 at 8:15 amI couldn’t agree with your last statement more. We should get the criminals out. And I am speaking about both parties!!!!
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October 10th, 2005 at 8:17 amJay is correct. Until we get honest and verifiable vote counting, America will not be able to do a thing about what is happening to our great country.
Crimes can and will be pardoned, just as they were during the Reagan and Bush 31 reigns, so unless some very conscientious Republicans speak out for America
October 10th, 2005 at 8:28 am(just as supposedly Joe Lieberman did before the Clinton impeachment), there will be no accountability from this administration. Business as usual.
When both Nixon and Agnew were accused of criminal behavior and both had to resign, I thought the Republican party might just begin to monitor its people to avoid such future embarrassments. I was young then and did not realize that politicians are never ashamed of their own and their friends behavior unless a public MEA CULPA is unavoidable. Like Swaggart they will get up and shed a few tears and get back to the business of Gypping Our People.
October 10th, 2005 at 8:29 amThat oh-so faint sound everyone hears when it’s real quiet is the applause of thousands of dead corpses watching criminals against humanity finally begin receiving their just desserts.
October 10th, 2005 at 8:31 amI’m not sure what’s more disgusting about this entire administration and their culture of corruption–their acts themselves or the patheticly weak and impotent protests by Dems, mainstream media and the rest of the “establishment “(forgive my hippiesque term, here)against some of the most egregious offenses I’ve witnessed in the past 40 years here in the U.S.
If I believed in a “Christian” God, I’d swear it was his way of serving a little retribution on them all.
Meanwhile, we the people have a country to run–let’s get some people into office who understand OUR wants and needs for a change, shall we?
Peace, love, Bobby Sherman
Rove will REALLY be in trouble if they found out he got a bj in the White House… as we all know, that’s the worst thing you can do in DC… just about anything else is fair game…
October 10th, 2005 at 8:50 am“I hate the criminalization of politics.”
If yet one more spin on this astonishing piece of hypocrisy can be tolerated:
I’d have to say that the ‘politics” in Mr Kristol’s sense are actually at a minimum here. This isn’ t the result of Congressional investigations controlled by the opposite part resulting in an investigation run amok under an over-broad special prosecutor law. The GOP-controlled Congress has refused to look at this at all, and the Dems in their powerlessness have had no position to even make much of a stink about it. It was the CIA (that notoriously left-leaning organization, beloved by all of us pinkos out here) that asked for the investigation, not the Dems. And Fitzgerald is operating at the request of Bush’s own Justice Department, not at the behest of the Democrats. The only “political” factor in that request was a certain amount of political pressure that brought about Ashcroft’s–patently necessary–recusal from the case. And Fitzgerald himself is, or was at any rate, a Republican (I believe he is now registered Independent).
“Criminalization of politics” aptly describes what Rove et al. are accused of DOING in this case, but it’s not a very apt description of what they’re suffering in consequence.
October 10th, 2005 at 8:55 amI hate the criminalization of politics too. It’s too bad we have so damn many criminals in the GOP ain’t it? I say, lock em all up, throw away the key, and let the townsfolk storm the jail.
October 10th, 2005 at 9:09 amAm 86 years old and about to leave the planet. So I invited the Bush gangsters to come along with me all expensives paid. No reply yet. I fought in the infantry in World War 2 (Bronze Star) where we blew the heads off people like Bush – they were then called Nazis. Now I find them running my country.
October 10th, 2005 at 9:09 amThe idea of the “criminalization of politics” came up during Iran-Contra. You see, when you catch Republican officials violating the Constitution, or laws, that’s the “criminalization of politics.” We’ll hear a lot more about it, I suspect, after Fitzgerald acts.
October 10th, 2005 at 9:11 amthe misdeeds of DeLay, Frist, Rove and their pals are finally catching up with them… absolute power over all three branches of government corrupts absolutely…
what I want to know is, with all their accusations of “partisan” politics, do these people really believe that BS or is it that they realize their brethren out there will automatically parrot their words? they never do anything wrong – it’s always some liberal’s fault…
October 10th, 2005 at 9:12 amCarl Friedan – don’t leave the planet! we need smart people like you in this country!
October 10th, 2005 at 9:14 amCan he be pardoned before being convicted?
October 10th, 2005 at 9:15 amIt’s amazing to hear Limbaugh, the Oxy-moron defend Nixon on his talk show.
Are you bored and pissed off? Try posting on FreeRepublic.com Be careful (or not), chances are you’ll get banned after your first posting, if they start to smell something that resembles the truth. FR is very Orwellian indeed! Consider it your patriotic duty to SWAMP FREEREPUBLIC.COM site and their gang of lost Souls with the truth.
Frame it strait folks, Liberty = Liberial !
October 10th, 2005 at 9:23 amHe is really pushing to get Meirs on the Court,she will be his last rubber stamper in place.
October 10th, 2005 at 9:24 amBad for Bush, huh?
Well, good for you
And good for me!
Gimme some mo’ that criminalization thang!
October 10th, 2005 at 9:26 amMaybe, when it is all over and justice has been done in the name of the people of the US, the majority of citizens in this country will realize that leadership on a world scale does not come from owning the most awsome arsenal of weapons and the military and economic means to impose one country’s will on the rest of the world. The real and most effective kind of leadership should come from setting the example on how to identify and solve the most pressing problems we all face. Until then, you will see the rest of the world walk away from American Republican-Democrat Corporate Government formulas.
October 10th, 2005 at 9:27 amRemember the Rule of Law (Clinton’s Cock) and the 1st Amendment are our passage back to Democracy. We may be a facist country at the moment; but a people can overthrow their gov’t, our most sacred right. Of course, all the shenanigans that lead to fraudulent elections in 2000 and 2004 must be overcome by massive voter turnout – and a candidate, unlike the whimp Kerry, who can stand up and fight for our heritage.
October 10th, 2005 at 9:44 amKristol hates political criminalization — how about starting with his own party? The prevalent culture of corruption begins right there in the White House.
October 10th, 2005 at 9:50 amResponding agreeably to “BuckFush” comment #30:
I’ve come to think of our present condition thusly:
The U.S. Government has become a major division of The State;
The 5-7 companies owning mainstream media outlets are a division of The State;
The major industrial companies, also are divisions of The State.
When I think of the structure of society today, I see this economy as being a planned economy just like the classical Soviet Union planned economy of yesteryear. This is both good and bad: It is *completely* unsustainable, and will not last a decade (good); It is *completely* unsustainable, and will not last a decade (very very bad). The misery of *millions* of people during the onrushing and unnecessarily wrenching economic dislocation cannot be expressed in words.
In my opinion, the word “criminal” applied to these people’s actions simply cannot express the seriousness of their offenses.
I thought Orwell was writing about a fictional dystopisn future; I lament the fact that he was, rather, channeling Nostradamus…
October 10th, 2005 at 9:54 amIt’s just too bad in this day and age that crimes have to be criminalized, isn’t it?
October 10th, 2005 at 9:57 amOh my goodness, first the “bloody-minded” (per UK Telegraph) Congress votes 90-9 to stop Bush’s torture machine, and now, the American justice system lumbers into action.
I feel a tiny shred of hope. Perhaps an ember of democracy still burns in the rubble created by Hurricane Bush.
October 10th, 2005 at 10:07 am.
Fabulous news!
http://www.LiberalUnderground.org
.
October 10th, 2005 at 11:01 amThe people want to know if the President is a crook…
October 10th, 2005 at 11:13 am… When Karl goes marching off to jail , hurrah , hurrah ! Scooter an’ Georgie trying for bail , hurrah , hurrah ! They’ll look the judges in the eye , oh how they’ll whine and cry , and we’ll all be FREE when Karl goes off to jail ! … ;)
October 10th, 2005 at 11:19 amYou see, when you catch Republican officials violating the Constitution, or laws, that’s the “criminalization of politics.†We’ll hear a lot more about it, I suspect, after Fitzgerald acts.
So, now is the time to take it from them. ClevelandChick said ‘politicization of criminals’, which is an excellent term. Use it. A lot. Rub their noses in it. Take their toys away.
October 10th, 2005 at 11:22 amThe criminals now in power have NO INTENTION of giving up that power. They will do whatever it takes to maintain their stranglehold on American “government” and psyche. Don’t be tricked into a false sense of wonderment and relief that a few high profile neocons appear to be bailing out on BushCo. The administration is, after all, simply a front for the Wizard(s) behind the curtain.
It will take a true grassroots revolution in every sense of the word to undo the damage wrought by these criminal elitists; a highly unlikely scenario…It is shamefully apparent that the average American is not all that interested, or misinformed or psychotically deluded.
Can’t build a revolution on the backs of sheep. One look at what passes for the “opposition party” should confirm it. America has bent over and kissed it’s ass goodbye, and doesn’t even know it.
October 10th, 2005 at 11:24 amI hate the criminals IN politics. They belong in jail not in office Billy.
October 10th, 2005 at 11:41 amPardons is what I belive will happen .But lets dream while we can.
October 10th, 2005 at 11:43 amOne of the most effective ways in fighting corruption in Washington would be to identify how PNAC has eliminated US democracy and send every one associated with the group into prison for treason for life.
October 10th, 2005 at 11:53 amIf there’s only one indictment, will it be enough to toppel the Bush Regime?
Nixon did the right thing and left office. But somehow it seems that Bush will try to hang on for all he’s worth.
October 10th, 2005 at 12:28 pmGee Bill. You hate the criminalization of politics?
October 10th, 2005 at 12:31 pmWhy did you help it along?
Plunger,
You do realize that last link to Rev. Ted Pike puts you right in the sack with complete wingnuts, don’t you? If you hate Jews, you should hang out at Stormfront or the other wacko sites. And take your tin foil hat with you.
A laundry list of thoughts and expressions which raise questions about Israel’s role in world events is about to become FORBIDEN TO DISCUSS IN THE UNTITED STATES.
Your urgent attention is required.
http://www.truthtellers.org/ alerts/ departofantisemitsm.html
October 10th, 2005 at 12:39 pmPut this together with what George Stephanopoulis said last week; that a source told him GW and Cheney were directly involved. I just PRAY that they frog march those stinking pigs out of the WHite House so we all can see them and the 37% that still approves of them will then GET A CLUE!!!
October 10th, 2005 at 12:40 pm[...] Think Progress » Kristol: “One or More Indictments in the Next Three Weeks†– Kristol: “One or More Indictments in the Next Three Weeks.†Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol on Fox News Sunday: Criminal defense lawyers I’ve spoken to who are friendly to the administration are very worried that there will be one or more indictments in the next three weeks of senior administration officials, just looking at what Fitzgerald is doing and taking him at his word, you know, being a serious prosecutor here. And I think it’s going to be bad for the Bush administration. [...]
October 10th, 2005 at 12:46 pmThere is one thing that is being seriously overlooked in the discussions above regarding the difference between Clinton’s “lie” and the “lies” that seem fairly well proven now by Rove.
The law distinguishes very clearly between “lying under oath” and “perjury.” Clinton’s lie constituted “lying under oath” while Rove’s appear to be “perjury.”
Please refer to the Department of Justice Criminal Resource Manual located at: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm01700.htm starting at Section 17441, particularly paying attention to Section 1744, Elements of Perjury.
October 10th, 2005 at 12:51 pmHuh,
Actually being concerned about practices of the israeli government doesn’t necessarily make one anti-semitic. Being unable to receive criticism of the actions of isreal without calling it anti-semitism is rather paranoid and irrational however…
Israel’s government and the Mossad have been involved in many affairs – including proving ‘evidence’ for invading iraq and iran. They’re hardly sinless or even noble as far as government goes. There is AMPLE room to criticize them, and frankly they deserve a tremendous amount of criticism! That doesn’t make one anti-semitic, it makes one fair, just and reasonable!
October 10th, 2005 at 12:56 pm[...] Little Billy Kristol on Fox News Sunday, via Judd at Think Progress: [...]
October 10th, 2005 at 12:57 pmKristol decries criminality in politics?!? or is it that he decries prosecution of politicly connected thugs? The foreign policy driven by the PNAC has increased the likelyhood of terrrrrrrism. Meanwhile the cronyism and looting on the home front is starting to show.
October 10th, 2005 at 1:17 pmMiers and Roberts are being quickly installed by the misAdministration in an effort to pick the judges they will face.
Treason is not pardonable and there is no statute of limitations. If Treason & conspiracy charges are brought, the game is up. W will probably try pre-emptive pardons in another eerie echo of his father. Question is, how bulletproof does Fitgerald feel?
Don’t send them to abu Ghraib, though, Guantanamo would be far more appropriate.
Kristol should be right there with ‘em.
If they stood trial in the Hague, they would not be subject to the death penalty, Under US law, Treason and conspiracy to treason carry the death penalty, Bolton was so happy to Un-sign the Rome document, He should be at Camp X-ray too, in the cage directly under Cheney’s, two over from Tom DeLay.
Ryan,
I think I know the difference, even if Plunger doesn’t. If he doesn’t, he needs to learn. If he does, he needs to sod off. There is no question that the current Israeli government has far too much influence in our own affairs. I am completely anti-zionist and anti-likkudnik. I am not anti-semitic or a Jew-baiter and Plunger can post that crap somewhere else.
Here, Plunger:
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001263321
Go molest your own kids.
October 10th, 2005 at 1:22 pmSome of Aphrodite’s people:
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001263321
I feel sorry for her kids.
October 10th, 2005 at 1:23 pmNEW YORK After news broke that local law enforcement officials were investigating complaints that Louis Beres, longtime chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon, had molested three female family members when they were pre-teens, The Oregonian in Portland went out and interviewed Beres’ family members.
Two told reporters that Beres, indeed, had molested them. All three said they have been interviewed for several hours by detectives.
“I was molested,” said one of the women, now in her early 50s. “I was victimized, and I’ve suffered all my life for it. I’m still afraid to be in the same room with [Beres].”
The coalition led by Beres, 70, champions socially conservative candidates and causes. Its Web site describes the group as “Oregon’s leading grassroots organization defending our Godly heritage.” The group opposes abortion, gay rights, and stem cell research. It is affiliated with the national Christian Coalition, which was founded in 1989 by television evangelist Pat Robertson.
The group confirmed Beres is under investigation for alleged molestation. According to The Oregonian, Beres blamed “personal and political enemies” for the reports and said, “I never molested anybody.”
Beres is also former chairman of the Multnomah County Republican Party.
Two of the alleged molestations occurred decades ago and likely would not result in criminal charges because state law limits prosecution of certain crimes. But one case may fall within statutory timelines. It involves a female family member who was allegedly molested by Beres when she was in elementary school, authorities said.
Beres family members told The Oregonian that they called the child abuse hotline last month after several women in the family said they openly discussed for the first time what happened with Beres.
Rich Galat, 41, of Oakland, Calif., a Beres nephew, said he told detectives that Beres has molested several female family members over two generations. “My family has gone through hell,” Galat told the newspaper. “Lives have been ruined. Those of us who have come forward have been ostracized, verbally abused and the victims of character assassination . . . . It must stop.”
Get a rope.
October 10th, 2005 at 1:24 pmI almost feel guilty about enjoying this fiasco given the huge damage to our country and the world that these criminal bastards have inflicted. But dammit,they brought it on themselves so now they have to suffer the consequences,ya know,take personal responsibility for their actions.
My eternal gratitude to the real patriots and public servants who are literally putting their lives on the line for our nation by fearlessly taking on these beasts.
October 10th, 2005 at 1:32 pm#77, I have said for 2plus years that dumbya will not do the right thing (like Nixon). He will hold on until we see something like the warden scene in ‘The Shawshank Redemption’.
I see this bozo and his handlers fighting in a bunker somewhere in VA, sending their goons to their deaths while they swill expensive food and drink.
As far as dumbya goes, as a unruly child he routinely tortured animals. This embarassed his family. Now think about it, most little boys that torture animals don’t become pRESIDENT, they become serial killers.
Funny how he became both.
October 10th, 2005 at 1:41 pmRepublicans are proof that absolute power corrupts!
October 10th, 2005 at 2:03 pmIn the improbably case that you don’t know that Bill Kristol is the founder of PNAC….or that you don’t know the other PNAC folks who make the decisions about foreign policy under Bush….and in case of the highly improbably and unthinkable case that you don’t even know what PNAC is…
KRISTOL CLEAR
October 10th, 2005 at 2:10 pm“I fought in the infantry in World War 2 (Bronze Star) where we blew the heads off people like Bush – they were then called Nazis. Now I find them running my country.” Carl Freidan
Not for long,Carl. Fascists were defeated then,thanks to you and my Dad’s generation. Hopefully the fruit doesn’t fall too far from the tree.
October 10th, 2005 at 2:19 pmI hope the people of Iraq and other places where the republic maifa wants to creat democricy see what democracey is left in our USA and realize NO way should they accept Bush and company democricy which is a horror where ever it is allowed to exist including here in the USA. I am ashamed of having been a registered republican untill the bush idiot and republican party started an unjust, ilegal, immoral war of terror (shock and aw)
October 10th, 2005 at 2:45 pmDon’t let it happen in your countries. Create your own decent form of democracy.
As for Americans, It’s time to pull down the clown BUSH.
If memory serves,Bill Kristol chaired (chairs) the Committee for a New American Century, a group of Plundering Pagans, possessors all of fabulous ill-gotten gains, who wrote the battle plan for the total decimation of democracy on this continent. My reading may be narrow, but I do not read much about the Project for a New American Century and the awe inspiring, peaceful takeover and decimation of what once was the most liberal (read “liberated and free”) nation ever to grace God’s earth. Albeit, not without struggles along the way. I say “peaceful” if you can count Desert Storm, 9/11/01, and Afghanistan/Iraq’s wars and its slaughterhouse butchery rained upon them as “colateral damage”. Even the angry blogs and the true liberal media (www.)have kept their brains and hands off the cous d’etat master plan. Is everyone afraid someone will tamper with their next private plane flight? It is the plan that must be eviscerated with its activists falling as “collateral damage.” Some are beginning to see this but the intimidation of the socalled War on Terror (Read: “War on the Poor”) is firmly in place along with everything needed to keep the current style of government in place for a long long time. Bush is little more than pointman, enjoying every bloody minute of it. “Death to the Liberals” is their battle cry even though we Liberals are no where near a battlefield. And their plan is to rule the world: I wonder if China, or India, or maybe Pakistan has heard about this: what plans are they making for the New American Centruy? This is very deep shit, fast approaching our nostrils. Godspeed.
October 10th, 2005 at 2:57 pmSigned: “Collateral Damaged”
Yes, poor Bill Kristol, all his illusions are shattered, he’ll never be the same again — in a pig’s ass! Look, folks, I love my country and I know the Constitution is all that has ever protected us against these corporate/politico bandits, but read your history. Back when there was a real working class, guys who sweated on their jobs ten, twelve hours a day, they weren’t deluded by this “conservatism” BS. They knew it was just another word the power people, the capitalists, used for exploitation of the people who really made the money for them. As long as they get their “bite,” (the bigger the better) they could care less what their politicians do to get it for them.
October 10th, 2005 at 3:15 pmWhat else could we expect from the return of Nixon.
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October 10th, 2005 at 3:24 pmHuh,
‘Nuf said on my part, I think we’re on the same page…
Isn’t it amazing how many republicans are perverted molestors, serial killers and mass murders? It’s really bizarre!
October 10th, 2005 at 3:29 pmPlunger @ 64
Yes, that and the Israeli art students…they kind of disappeared from the radar screen too.
Those Israeli’s taping the event….I wonder if they were transmitting “live” via satellite uplink? That would explain George’s curious statement (paraphrased), “I saw the 1st planwe hit the tower on TV…and I thought to myself, “that’s one bad pilot”".
(1) Did he really see the 1st plane hit on TV? Only if he had a CCTV feed in his limo, because there were no broadcasts that captured the event.
(2) Why would he think it was “one bad pilot?” It’s public knowledge now that he had 52 separate warnings from foreign intel, culminating with the George “Hair on Fire” Tenet’s 8/6/01 PDB that put this very scenario in the briefing. Of course, this administration fought like hell to keep the contents of the PDB from the American public….because it makes his “thoughts” that morning mighty suspect.
Personally, I think Israel and the House of Saud had some amount of prior knowledge and perhaps passive roles in the event. Both have seemed to benefited from Dimson’s WOT, no? Would put them both in a position to blackmail this administration, too.
October 10th, 2005 at 3:44 pmKarl is suffering the inevitable. In every liars life there comes a point where all know him for what he is. It’s either “he’s a liar” or “everyone else is.”
http://www.freesqueeze.com/karlrove.htm
October 10th, 2005 at 3:50 pmAt the end of the day I’m left wondering what being conservative means. It’s okay for Democrats to have a mercurial image because they are so diverse. But stereotypically I’ve always had a solid definition of Republicans that was not always particularlly negative.
Likewise I was honestly always content with whoever won an election as long as at the end of the day I didn’t hate the person. But these neocons are quite a paradox.
Look at the Dobson quotes lately. The senate wants him to testify as to whether he was told privey info. If he says yes? It will hurt the neocons. If he says no? He will look like a liar and discredit the neocons. It’s this story over and over.
October 10th, 2005 at 3:51 pmBill Kristol is part of the neo-con gang. I think when all the dust settles and the various corruption investigations across the country are finished, you will see that the neo-cons’ clients are primarily Big Oil and the corporations that comprise the military-industrial complex. I believe the neo-cons have infiltrated many agencies within the US government, especially departments of Defense, State, and intelligence-related agencies, and are secretly the handlers of “al Qaeda” terrorist network, which is nothing but a computer data base of former mujahadeen the US government covertly supported starting in the Reagan-Bush administration in the 1980’s.
October 10th, 2005 at 4:01 pmHuh,
‘Nuf said on my part, I think we’re on the same page…
Isn’t it amazing how many republicans are perverted molestors, serial killers and mass murders? It’s really bizarre!
Comment by Ryan Neat — October 10, 2005 @ 3:29 pm
I have the utmost respect for you and where you are coming from. We are on the same page in the same book. I am also aware that some folks, out of ignorance, or actual prejudice, provide the right with opportunities to label us as racists and anti-semites. They may even be plants, trolls, whatever. Ever-vigilant.
October 10th, 2005 at 4:07 pmPersonally, I think Israel and the House of Saud had some amount of prior knowledge and perhaps passive roles in the event. Both have seemed to benefited from Dimson’s WOT, no? Would put them both in a position to blackmail this administration, too.
Don’t confuse Israel and all Israelis with the Mossad and the current Israeli govt. Would you want to be tarred with the same brush as Bushco and the neocons? The House of Saud…? Right on.
October 10th, 2005 at 4:10 pmAs an addendum. I don’t think we have the whole story about 9/11, but now is not the time to engage in speculation about that. We need to get our govt. back first. Even then, we may never know the whole story. That’s just my own opinion.
October 10th, 2005 at 4:13 pmHuh,
So true. My experience of Jewish people as a whole is that they tend to be tremendously caring, progressive and tolerant people – and this is my experience of americans and those who practice islam. The reichwing of Israel is just like ours and the radicals of the arab world – one of irrationality and extremism that doesn’t represent the people or their better selves. The extremism is the enemy, not the more sane and rational people that are usually trampled by them!
October 10th, 2005 at 4:18 pm#24 – Criminalizing politics? Ah yes, the old Iran-Contra excuse rears its ugly said…Why am I not surprised??
Comment by Volvo Liberal — October 10, 2005 @ 12:55 am
That’s right – you guys were rooting for the Communist Sandinistas, right? So glad I talked my cousin out of that UGLY Volvo and into a gorgeous E-Class Benz!!!!
October 10th, 2005 at 4:30 pmMr Kristol I agree and the best way to end the criminalization of Politics is to CATCH THE CROOKS BEFORE THEY GET ELECTED, APPOINTED OR JUST MOVE IN.
October 10th, 2005 at 4:32 pm“That’s right – you guys were rooting for the Communist Sandinistas, right? So glad I talked my cousin out of that UGLY Volvo and into a gorgeous E-Class Benz!!!!
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
Communists? I don’t know any liberals personally that agree with communisms – they’re too totalitarian – just like you… Although considering they were trying to free themselves from fascists military dictators, it’s easy to see how they could be drawn into another radical theology to respond to the one murdering them…
But then again, progressives wouldn’t support fascists dictators like Reagan did by selling crack on the streets of LA – but clearly a moron bigot like yourself wouldn’t care about murdering poor inner city blacks and commies to protect your fascist freak friends…
October 10th, 2005 at 4:34 pmIf you want criminals out of politics, you need to jail the republicans!
October 10th, 2005 at 4:34 pmBill Kristol is a member of the “Karl Rove Dumb Americans Club” and this club is full of crooked and corrupt americans.
This club made US politics the most CROOKED and CORRUPT in world history, CHEERING and DEFENDING the Bush administration that is so full of GRAFT and CORRUPTION.
They want Republicans to be above the law, like the RULE OF LAW does not apply to them.
The Karl Rove Dumb Americans Club and the Christian Taliban terrorists are the people BRINGING down the USA.
October 10th, 2005 at 4:41 pmDoes anyone have an additional link that would substantiate the Kristol quote? I’d like to be able to read the whole transcript, but I can’t find it on the FoxSpews website.
October 10th, 2005 at 4:50 pmAre your plans for hegemony and fascism in danger because of pesky facts and annoying reality? step 1 Deny deny deny that you have done anything wrong. u r perfect in every way how could you ever do anything wrong? step 2 play the victim. its a witch hunt by those america/god hating liberals. it is because u r soo perfect and love god/america so much that the evil liberals want you to fail. step 3 alter reality. get on the networks and newschannels and like faux news and tim russert who wont challenge or question you when you say that rove never spoke to the reporters and change fact to opinion and opinion to fact. man stalin would be so proud of this administration
IF ANYONE IS INDICTED PARDONS WILL BE GIVEN OUT LIKE NO-BID CONTRACTS TO HALLIBURTON. I’D BET MONEY THAT BUSH IS SO DELUSIONAL HE WOULD PARDON HIMSELF
October 10th, 2005 at 5:17 pm“By their deeds shall ye know them”. Bottom line is: Never before in the history of our nation have we had a more corrupt Administration. The Administration carefully orchestrated every move from compromising The Florida election with the aid of “good” partisan supporters, to sealing the records of his own and three predecessor’s administrations, to the dismantling of our Constitutional protections, abrogation of treaties, to achieve the unthinkable goal of an unconscionable invasion of a sovereign nation, with the subsequent slaughter and torture of it’s citizens. Treason, yes, but in order for our nation to regain its stature amongst other nations, this bunch needs to be tried in a world court. Their crimes have violated the laws that govern all civilized nations and by their deeds on the world stage, they no longer fall solely within the jurisdiction of the laws of this nation.
October 10th, 2005 at 5:29 pmhee hee hee. too late. gaffe. “criminalization of politics”
lol. that is one sound byte to keep.
i can’t stop smiling. sure he hates it.
hey, i hate the criminalization of marijuana. why do you think that is?
October 10th, 2005 at 5:33 pmThe American people criminalize politics every time they re-elect criminals because they’re too lazy to do the homework required to maintain a free democracy. Quit wringing your hands, get off your butts and go ring some doorbells.
October 10th, 2005 at 6:03 pmThis is funny, one Republikook calling other Republikooks, “criminals” now that kooky…! How scary can it get?
October 10th, 2005 at 6:25 pm#105 HUH
October 10th, 2005 at 6:29 pmI agree — let’s get the crooks and liars out of office and then we can work on investigations and the cleaning up of the terrible mess they have made of everything.
I believe they are determined to “dumb us down” and keep us on our knees thanking God that we have a government that keeps us safe from “terrorists.”
their cronies will pardon them. This I say no to. If we have to move a few million people into that area 9the orange revolution anyone) and string their worthless asses to burning poles
October 10th, 2005 at 7:35 pmTrouble is, a great many of the American people like their comforts much more than their freedom.
October 10th, 2005 at 7:36 pmThat’s right – you guys were rooting for the Communist Sandinistas, right? So glad I talked my cousin out of that UGLY Volvo and into a gorgeous E-Class Benz!!!!
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 10, 2005 @ 4:30 pm
Me too! It will make a real cool and expensive planter or barn door stop sooner than you think!
October 10th, 2005 at 7:38 pmLook. There are plenty of reasons why there may be no trials or convictions, national security concerns for one thing. Indictments and the fall of this corrupt and criminal regime are something you can’t live with? Gimme a break.
October 10th, 2005 at 7:43 pmHey, is it just me or are Aphro’s posts getting shorter? Maybe her lawyer has told her to keep her mouth shut. Keep talking Aphro! It’s worked out well for Rove et al.
October 10th, 2005 at 7:45 pmMercedes e-class is one giant recall after another. Clearly the MightyDragQueen knows even less about car than he does about politics…
http://www.automotive.com/used-cars/recalls/11/mercedes-benz/e-class/
So he/she picked the e-class because it was prettier, probably similar to him/her picking bush because he SAYS he had better values. Just goes to show you there’s a stupid sucker born every day, and the republican party is waiting for the birth. That explains their fear of abortion – it might keep those stupid parents from breeding more stupid suckers like MightyDragQueen the supreme windbag…
Bahahah – useless fool!
October 10th, 2005 at 7:46 pmHuh,
The style of mighty windbag is virtually identical to MrWrong, as is much of the grammar and tactics. Clearly this is the same pathetic and deranged creature…
October 10th, 2005 at 7:48 pm#114 Sisyphus,
October 10th, 2005 at 8:21 pmI, too, think that we must regain the government and renounce the administration, putting them on trial. There will surely be national security issues if that should ever come to be, but I see no other way to regain integrity and credibility in the world.
Some may think we don’t need the world, but they would be wrong.
Indictments next week … get ready for the turrist alerts going RED !!
October 10th, 2005 at 8:52 pmhuh @ 104
Point well taken. I’m absolutely sure that the majority of Israelis are well intentioned and are captives, like us, on their own metaphorical bus of state. And, like us, they are also being driven by wacked out RW drivers who are clueless where they’re going but determinedly hell-bent on taking the unwilling passengers along for the suicidal ride. Thanks for the noting my sloppy reference.
October 10th, 2005 at 9:06 pmThe real criminalization of politics are the 1962 dead servicemen as of 10/10/05. Mr. Kristols should not talk about criminalization it’s his hands that are bloodied.
October 10th, 2005 at 9:24 pmHas anyone ever investigated and learned who forged the documents claiming that Saddam Hussein tried to obtain yellowcake from Niger?
October 10th, 2005 at 9:48 pmRecall that was the reason the whole scenario began; and the documents were proven forgeries, but we never hearned who forged them!
Good question Marie. Hopefully Fitzgerald has the answer.
October 10th, 2005 at 10:50 pmHuh,
The style of mighty windbag is virtually identical to MrWrong, as is much of the grammar and tactics. Clearly this is the same pathetic and deranged creature…
Comment by Ryan Neat
That’s probably true. I change my name alot, but not because I’m embarassed by the facts. LOL!
October 10th, 2005 at 10:56 pmMarie @ 130
“Has anyone ever investigated and learned who forged the documents claiming that Saddam Hussein tried to obtain yellowcake from Niger?”
I had read soimewhere that the forgeries were produced by Italian intelligence, but can’t state that as fact.
The question I have, is why send an outsider with integrity to investigate the evidence? Does that sound like this administration’s MO? No one from the Office of Special Plans or AIPAC available? Seems like a real risk to send someone like Wilson to wreck the centerpiece on the Iraq WMD justification…especially if you knew the docs were forgeries to begin with. Why would Italian intel have motivation to develop these forgeries in the 1st place?
I think this was an elaborate scheme to oust Plame from her CIA job and they used the cover of political revenge to get it done.
October 11th, 2005 at 12:54 amLike it’s going to matter one little bit. Shrub is going to issue his pardons of all his Shrubbite minions before it’s all said and done anyway. And they’ll just delay and obfuscate right up to the 11th hour, knowing that they have nothing to fear. These scum have flouted and perverted everything this country used to stand for. Lifetime prison sentences would be too good for them, IMHO.
October 11th, 2005 at 7:05 am#133, Yes, thanks, I recall an Italian connection. There was also a brief note about someone in the admin. who had the ability and connections to get something like that accomplished, but my memory is not recalling anything more. The whole matter seems to have been dropped by the press.
October 11th, 2005 at 9:33 amthis w. kristol charachter is the lowest form of life on the planet, he should be investigated himself , i personnally feel that anyone that was in on the writing of the project for the new american century is a traitor to my country, where did they get off designing a future for the U.S.A. that makes us an imperial state , thats not THE WAY MOST AMERICANS WANT IT AND IF YOU DID IT WITHOUT PERMISSION YOU NEED TO BE SENT TO IRAQ AND GIVEN A RIFLE AND INADIQUATE BODY ARMOR
October 11th, 2005 at 2:12 pmI think Fitzgerald is aiming too low on the food chain. Why doesn’t he go after those who perpetrated the largest crime ever against the American public, 911?
Take a look at my website and you will quickly see that 911 was an inside job, and couldn’t have been otherwise.
How long before those who conspired against America on 911 be brought to Justice? For crying out loud, is all one has to do is slow down the footage and one can easily see all the issues with what is alleged to have been Flight 175. Keep watching and one can see for themselves all the bombs going off in the World Trade Center. This coincides with the Firemans transcripts released, where they were recorded saying as much; “Bombs going off on 23″ “A large Explosion in the Sub Basement of the North Tower” “It’s like they put detonators in our buildings, you could see the floors popping out, floor by floor, boom, boom, boom”, etc….
911 was an inside job and a day of High Treason. And is a little more important than the Vaerlie Plame indictment. If you don’t like the ‘criminalization of Politics’ then we need to get the criminals out of politics, and all that that implies….
Sincerely,
October 11th, 2005 at 2:56 pmPhil Jayhan
Founder -
http://www.letsroll911.org
I remember something about italian intelligence involved with the forgerie, but that might be a false lead.
A good guess might be someone delusional enough and dedicated enough to neoconism that they would see this as justified. Someone like our UN ambassador JOhn Bolton, he was also accused of hyping threats posed by Syria at his previous job, or possibly Douglas Fieth or someone close to him in the WHIG propaganda dept. After all WHIG was in the business of producing false information.(see curveball and ahmed chalabi)
The bush admin has no respect for the rule of law and democracy. Look at the 2000 “election”, outing a CIA agent and her front company for political reasons. Look at how they pass legislation.(see 2005 hwy and trnsprtn bill also largest pork bill ever, and CAFTA) No respect for democracy and law and order. They will not let criminal convictions stop them.
October 11th, 2005 at 3:59 pmThe investigation should be extended to include 9/11, as the 9/11 Omission Commission was a total whitewash, and filled with blatant lies and cover up.
They should be indicted on this, but there should be a strong link and hook into the crooked 9/11 conspiracy.
Fitzgerald has an opportunity here to re-constitute the American Republic! With nothing but the truth.
October 11th, 2005 at 4:26 pmWhat if you discovered that the government’s “official†explanation for the World Trade Center collapse on the morning of 9-11 was not exactly true? In addition, what if their “official†version of events could be disproven solely on the basis of physics, mathematical equations, scientific formulas, physical evidence, and expert testimony – without the use of a single “conspiracy theory� Would your perspective on 9-11 be dramatically altered?
This is precisely what is illustrated in 9-11 on Trial, a book that shreds the government’s official story – and credibility – beyond repair. Did you know, for instance, that never before in the history of the world has a steel building collapsed due to fire? Yet on 9-11, three of them did just that in seven hours – with WTC 7 not even being hit by an airliner.
Furthermore, it takes a temperature of 2,795 degrees to melt construction grade steel, yet the highest temperature jet fuel can reach is 1,517 degrees. Plus, all the jet fuel burned off within two minutes of the towers being struck, while two independent studies proved that the fires within each tower never rose above 500-600 degrees. In fact, FEMA revealed in their final report that, “The heat produced by burning jet fuel does not by itself appear to have been sufficient to initiate the structural collapse.â€
Also, the WTC towers were designed to withstand the impact from a Boeing 707 (similar to a Boeing 767), and each floor was designed to hold 2,600,000 pounds beyond its own weight. Likewise, the steel used in these structures was rated to hold five-times its normal load. MIT professor Thomas Eager admitted as much when declaring, “The impact of the airplanes would have been insignificant†in toppling the towers.
Also, how do we explain the pools of molten steel which were found bubbling 70 feet beneath the towers five weeks after 9-11? Incidentally, a temperature of 5,182 degrees is needed to transform steel into a liquefied state. Do you think fires that FEMA admitted “would have burned at, or below, temperatures typical in office fires†could have produced such extremes? Even NYFD audiotapes of firefighters who reached the South tower’s impact point reveal that they “judged the blazes to be manageable†and were easily extinguishable in less than an hour.
Even more interesting is the South Tower. Even though it experienced a less forceful hit than the North Tower and had smaller fires, it fell in only half the time of its counterpart (56 minutes). It takes five-times that long to cook a turkey! Plus, the South Tower’s cap, which initially tipped 23 degrees past vertical, suddenly reversed direction, then dropped vertically, defying Newton’s First Law of Motion.
Most incriminating, though, is the resistance-free speed (a mere 10 seconds) at which the towers collapsed. To put this matter into perspective, if you were standing atop the WTC towers, and at the precise moment when they began to fall you dropped a football over the side, you and the football would have hit the ground at nearly the exact same moment. In other words, 200,000 tons of steel, 425,000 cubic yards of concrete, and all the walls, desks and floors provided no resistance whatsoever. Not only does such a collapse defy Galileo’s Law of Falling Bodies, it is physically impossible unless all resistance was removed via a controlled demolition.
Of course there’s more (seismographic data, the ridiculous pancake & truss-bolt theories, and the complete vaporization of nearly all the concrete into a fine microscopic dust), but I’ll close with this question: considering that 9-11 was the most traumatic event of the 21st century, if there was even a one-percent chance that the government’s official story was false, shouldn’t we do everything humanly possible to discover what the truth ultimately is? Because, if the search for truth and justice doesn’t matter to us in regard to 9-11, what does?
October 11th, 2005 at 5:15 pm[...] (via thinkprogress.org) Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol on Fox News Sunday: Criminal defense lawyers I�ve spoken to who are friendly to the administration are very worried that there will be one or more indictments in the next three weeks of senior administration officials, just looking at what Fitzgerald is doing and taking him at his word, you know, being a serious prosecutor here. And I think it�s going to be bad for the Bush administration. [...]
October 11th, 2005 at 7:31 pmPhil Jayhan
October 12th, 2005 at 1:36 pmI am sure Fitzgerald has had a long look at 911. Plame’s people were working on WMD and the 911 hoax. Her agents were killed due to her outing.
Let’s face it. This gang needs to go and the sooner the better. They never were a legitimate representation of the best our nation has to offer itself or the world. They are essentially puny little money grubbing punks! They have no appreciation for any of the principles upon which the Republic is built. They are thugs and mafia men. They SHOULD be indicted and if there is any justice left in our nation whatsoever – they will ALL – EACH OF THEM – receive their just desserts for all their crimes. Their own collapse will reflect their being tainted by their role in the collapse of our nation as a whole. WE have endured them all – because we have up till now deserved nothing better. It is time we took responsibility as men to clean out the barn!!
October 13th, 2005 at 12:50 pmPerhaps I am assbackwards here, but shouldn’t the statement be: “The Politics of Criminalization”?
Isn’t Kristol, in his uniquely effeminate way, stating he abhors conducting criminalization of things like blowjobs of ploiticians? But didn’t then when it was occuring to Clinton?
So, Kristol is a hypocrite, as well as a dyslexic labeller.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:07 pm[...] Kristol: “One or More Indictments in the Next Three Weeks†Source: thinkprogress.org Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol on Fox News Sunday: [...]
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