White House Continues to Exploit Miers’ Religion
White House Continues to Exploit Miers’ Religion
At today’s White House briefing, Press Secretary Scott McClellan claimed someone’s religion has no impact on their performance as a judge:
[A] person’s religion or personal views have no role when it comes to making decisions as a judge.
But McClellan also said telling people about Miers’ religious views is critical for gaining support for her nomination. Here’s McClellan during the same press conference:
But she is a person of faith. She is someone who attends church on a regular basis…And that’s all part of reaching out to people to gain support for her nomination.
George Bush said the same thing earlier today:
People ask me why I picked Harriet Miers. They want to know Harriet Miers’ background; they want to know as much as they possibly can before they form opinions. And part of Harriet Miers’ life is her religion.
And right-wing religious leader James Dobson was briefed on Harriet Miers religion by Karl Rove:
What did Karl Rove say to me that I knew on Monday that I couldn’t reveal? Well, it’s what we all know now, that Harriet Miers is an Evangelical Christian, that she is from a very conservative church, which is almost universally pro-life.
The White House peddled Miers religious views as a way of responding to conservative criticism of her nomination. And it continues to do so.
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“If I’m talking to a Jesus person, I tell them she’s a Jesus person. If I’m talking to a non-Jesus person I tell them she’s an impartial legal scholar. Jesus, aren’t you F*CKING paying attention?”-Generic Spokesperson
October 12th, 2005 at 2:40 pmThis is an insult to relgious people everywhere. We want someone who is qualified too.
October 12th, 2005 at 2:40 pmSo there IS a litmus test.
October 12th, 2005 at 2:42 pmI know she can pray; can she adjudicate?
October 12th, 2005 at 2:43 pmIt’s so much easier to be a Democrat who accepts all religions. Entropy will kill the neocons.
October 12th, 2005 at 2:45 pmNeocon’s strength is duct tape leaky dikes.
Buckfush, give it a break. We’ve seen all your sh*t.
October 12th, 2005 at 2:52 pmThe real question is how strict constructionalists can accept this appeal. Especially considering, the…um…
United States Constitution, Article VI:
. . . no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States. . . .
October 12th, 2005 at 2:56 pmA person’s religion or personal views have no role when it comes to making decisions as a judge.
Comment by Scotty (beam-me-up, there’s no intellegent life in the W.H.) McClellan
Just when did Scotty become an authority on judicial decisions?
October 12th, 2005 at 3:02 pmI believe that the GOP’s alignment with the Evangelical Taliban is purely cover for their theft of elections (and a convenient way to launder money). They tout their alliance with the largest religious contingent in the country and lean on that precarious base when they need to prove that “the mainstream” is behind them. Meanwhile the Dobson’s and the Robertson’s sucker the poor unimformed Bible Belt folk out of so much of their own best interests. Such a tangled web they weave.
October 12th, 2005 at 3:06 pmI think the way the GOP preys on people’s
October 12th, 2005 at 3:07 pmfaith is vile.
I don’t think St. Peter will sign-off
on this behavior when the time comes
for this bunch.
Jay,
Is correct. The common accptance is becoming that overturning Roe is the greatest thing neocons never wanted. This is why I say the neocon cannot sustain itself.
October 12th, 2005 at 3:10 pmWhen will their flock turn on those shepherds.
October 12th, 2005 at 3:25 pmFalwell, Dobson, Robertson are all:
greedy liars, cheaters, and criminals.
Judd finally has found a topic worth commenting on – though he adds a typically over-the-top spin to the issue.
Harriet Miers’ personal background, including her religious faith, is as relevant as any other aspect of her personal profile for purposes of telling us who she is and what her personal values may be. And it is doubtless true that, as a Christian, I can identify with her faith background somewhat more easily than I can with that of, say, Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
But these personal details are completely irrelevant for purposes of telling us what kind of qualifications Harriet Miers brings to the office of Supreme Court justice. For that we must look to her education and professional experience.
Harriet Miers received a fine education at SMU. She has worked as a practicing lawyer, and has tried complex cases – something most of the current justices have never done. She worked her way to the top of the Texas legal community, at a time when women lawyers in Texas were not often encouraged in their ambitions, to say the least. She managed a 400 lawyer firm, and met a 1,000 person payroll, which is no mean feat if you have ever tried it. And she has been on the front lines in Washington for the last 5 years, working on legal policy with the President in matters as wide-ranging as enemy combatant detention, securities legislation, and – most notably – judicial appointments.
Those judicial appointments have been, almost without fail, of conservative judges who firmly believe that courts should interpret the law, but should not make policy judgments. It simply cannot be that Harriet Miers has been a party to these appointments without sharing similar views on judging and the constitution.
This point is one that may be bolstered, at least for some, by the knowledge of Ms. Miers’ religious faith. Her faith tradition is such that she could not have aided the appointment of so many consewrvative judges if to do so violated her own core principles. If she disagreed with the President’s appointments she would be obliged by her faith to remove herself from that process.
I am inclined to trust the President on this nomination – especially with so many treacherous undercurrents swirling in the Senate, even among Senate Republicans. President Bush knows Harriet Miers personally and well. With her active assistance he has appointed some of the brightest conservative minds to the federal bench. And if she didn’t fully support those appointments, she wouldn’t have been so closely involved in making them. That’s good enough for me.
The Judiciary Committee hearings should be amusing. I don’t think the Senate Democrats can afford to defeat her. That would only make it easier to get a more conservative nominee confirmed in her place. But you can bet the left wing intereest groups will be going nuts on this one.
October 12th, 2005 at 3:31 pmMarie,
That’s a good question. I would never question the faith of the flock, it’s such a powerful force and it helps people get through tough times and gives them strength. However, blind faith in such easily exposed criminals leads me to question their intelligence. Can so many people be that stupid? Is this why Republicans want to allow public school to deteriorate? Why both D’s and R’s have allowed our media to become so grossly anti-demoracy? So, so sad.
October 12th, 2005 at 3:36 pmIt is so funny that the Repubs are all brainwashed. Religion is all they live for. How does anyone know which way she would vote on a case. Religion should not play apart in their decision.
October 12th, 2005 at 3:49 pmI see BSR is still pure BS spin.
October 12th, 2005 at 3:56 pmAll I know is he needs to make good on his promise and nominate someone whi WILL overturn Roe v. Wade. Clinton had a litmus test, why not Bush?
Blue State Red, sometimes you make me think you support the president more than the Republican party.
October 12th, 2005 at 4:11 pmI have nothing against a person stating that they are religious before being confirmed to the bench. But once on the bench, there is no place for any reference to it.
The law is the law. It has been influenced by social mores, not religion. Some mores have become planks of religion.
However, absent religion, there still exists social responsibilty. Absent social responsibility, religion is nothing.
I understand heritage and tradition. Yes, almost all early Americans were Christian (after Native Americans). Nice to remember. But, it has nothing to do with legal justice.
When you couple the marketing campaign of “trust me”…she’s “an evangelical”, therefore anti-choice along with the real strangeness of that church she lives for and her irrational worship of George W Bush,
Well, again I can’t believe the greatest nation in the world is entertaining such madness.
October 12th, 2005 at 4:23 pmIt is so funny that the Repubs are all brainwashed. Religion is all they live for. How does anyone know which way she would vote on a case. Religion should not play apart in their decision.
One could say the same thing about liberals. Religion is not all we live for. What we do want and should have are justices that are going to interpret the constitution, not make laws from the bench. If a justice wants to make law, then they should have run for office in the congress. We want justices that are not going to use foreign law either in their decisions such as Breyer insists upon doing. We want to restore the balance of power between the three branches as our founding fathers intended it be.
October 12th, 2005 at 4:32 pmYou are a lying piece of shit, Randy. You are regugitating the same puke you hear. That crap makes no sense. You don’t even know what that means.
What does Dobson want? I’m sure it has nothing to do with religion, right? Why would the WH align themselves with someone so out on the fringes of society? What’s with all this religion in the government?
Meirs is no constitutionalist and you either agree with Bush or you have to realize you have been screwed by your “best friend.”
October 12th, 2005 at 4:37 pmWell, in light of a real lack of evidence of Miers’ qualifications this religous litmus test is troubling to say the least. Of course all presidents apply some kind of litmus test, its the kind of litmus test they apply and then claim not to be applying that raises eyebrows.
October 12th, 2005 at 4:37 pmI’m glad to be a thinking human being. It must really feel powerless to have to keep puking up others’ vomit.
October 12th, 2005 at 4:38 pmP&P
What about the religious movement happening in this country scares you? I think it is high time that we put some morals back into society. Hollywood and others have screwed this country over and over for the sake of money. Read the book “100 People Who are Screwing Up America” by Goldberg. You’ll understand what I mean.
October 12th, 2005 at 4:40 pm“One could say the same thing about liberals. ”
And yet it would be a lie.
“Religion is not all we live for. ”
That’s true. Money, power, exploitation and greed fills in the rest of the gaps.
“What we do want and should have are justices that are going to interpret the constitution, not make laws from the bench. ”
And yet that’s exactly what reichwingers propose. You guys dream of the supreme court outlawing abortion – and wouldn’t have a second thought if the bench did this. You’re a stupid liar – and easily seen by anyone who isn’t a moron like yourself.
“If a justice wants to make law, then they should have run for office in the congress. ”
Liar. You’d happily accept any judicial activism that met your beliefs. Just like you and your cronies demanded judicial activism on Terri Schiavo. You’re a hypocrite and a moron.
“We want justices that are not going to use foreign law either in their decisions such as Breyer insists upon doing. ”
And yet the founding fathers talked about inaliable rights and the community of man. Clearly Breyer is more in line with them than you are.
“We want to restore the balance of power between the three branches as our founding fathers intended it be.”
How can there be a balance of power when the fascists control all forms of government? Where is there liberal balance? Where is there athiestic, humanistic, islamic and hinduistic balance?
You’re an idiot who doesn’t even know what he’s repeating from the free republic. Get a life you retard!
October 12th, 2005 at 4:41 pmThe Methodist Church
The Methodist Conference 1976 declared that abortion is always an evil. However single mothers should always be supported and encouraged to have their baby adopted if they choose not to keep it. The church recognises that there are cases where abortion is the lesser of two evils:
in such cases as where the embryo (foetus) is severely handicapped
the pregnancy is the result of rape
or the health, either mental or physical, of the mother is at risk.
While the church wishes no abortion were necessary, it stresses that necessary terminations must occur as early in the pregnancy as possible. They are opposed to making abortion illegal again, believing this would increase deaths in ‘botched back-street’ abortions. Never to allow an abortion could be to condemn some women and their babies to gross suffering or cruel death since nature itself makes the decision to abort damaged embryo in miscarriage.
Counselling and Pastoral care should be extended to both the mother and father and the alternatives to termination be made clear.
October 12th, 2005 at 4:44 pm“What about the religious movement happening in this country scares you? ”
The fact that it looks identical to the Mullahs and Terrorists in the middle east is a good start. You aren’t the opposite of radical islam, you’re the equivalent of it. That’s the most pathetic part, is that some retard is sitting in Afghanistan saying exactly what you’re saying to recruit new terrorists. You’re a sick freak!
“I think it is high time that we put some morals back into society. ”
Morals back in society? Your religious lack of morals tortures innocent people, kills innocent death row inmates (2 dozen so far have been proven innocent), and cheats america with every crony capitalistsic trick imaginable. You wouldn’t know a moral if it bit you in the ass you stupid hypocrite!
“Hollywood and others have screwed this country over and over for the sake of money. ”
Bahahaha – what idiotic crap! Republican cronyism is screwing america for the money – hollywood just the same republican run business as any other. Whatever makes money – who cares.
“Read the book “100 People Who are Screwing Up America†by Goldberg. You’ll understand what I mean.”
That piece of biased lying trash? Oh please. If you believe that book then it explains why you’re so stupid and gullible…
It’s nothing more than rehashed, discredited, biased and immoral tripe – without any basis or foundation. But then again everything you and your cronies puke out is crap.
October 12th, 2005 at 4:46 pmDon,
Freaks like this believe they have a right to substitute their own stupid judgement for everyone else. They believe THEY have the moral truth and right to enforce that truth on all others. The arrogance and maliciousness of this is beyond excusable – yet they stand out proud of their ineptitude and lack of reasoning. They’re mentally challenged fools…
October 12th, 2005 at 4:48 pmRyan,
You need to get a life – you post here all day and night. Are you unemployed? Do you need help getting a job? Are you still living with your mom? Sorry, it is you that needs to get a dose of reality.
October 12th, 2005 at 4:52 pmThank you Don. These stupid vomiting trolls don’t seem to remember why Roe v. Wade is in place. COATHANGERS, dumb schmucks. The very moment that abortion was legalized thousands of teenagers kept their lives. There was an IMMEDIATE end to self abortions.
What will end up happening is that abortion will be for the rich who have their own doc or can go to a more progressive country. Do you honestly think if the lovely Jenna or Babs go pregnant at the age of 15 that they would have had her put the baby up for adoption? No, they aren’t that selfless. Or do you think they would have let her have the baby and ruined his career? That doesn’t sound very republican to me.
I know EXACTLY what they would have done and so do you. Abortion was always okay for the rich in the 60s you stupid piece of troll. It was church on Sunday, abortion on Tuesday and back to Wednesday service. You are all selfish. You don’t give a crap about unborn fetuses. You just say that because you want others to think you are “good.” Well, tell that to the poverty-stricken teenagers that were molested by their “christian” stepfather.
October 12th, 2005 at 4:53 pmTo hear my take on religion tune in now. Its a first for the Debtonator Radio Show.
October 12th, 2005 at 4:53 pmRandy,
Religious societies are not moral. How many immoral or amoral acts do you perform in one day?
Based on your logic (and Santorum’s), wouldn’t Boston be the most moral city in the world? They DO have all the priets…
October 12th, 2005 at 4:54 pmActually, Ryan Neat probably makes more money than yourself. And, he types really fast. Also, he can do more than one thing at once. I know, you’re jealous. That is all that drives you people anyway. Why are you all so immersed in our lives? Why don’t you just get one of your own?
You come here and look foolish in front of intelligent free thinkers and still don’t see it. You are pathetic and useless. Go drive your SUV around with that W sticker and find some babies to adopt.
October 12th, 2005 at 4:55 pmP&P,
The one thing I am not, is jealous of anyone else. I don’t own a SUV (anymore) and my wife and I are considering adoption.
October 12th, 2005 at 4:58 pmI don’t believe you.
October 12th, 2005 at 4:59 pmEvangelicals care only about themselves. It’s their emotional needs that drive them to be “born again”.
Evangelicalism is at it’s very core a religion of self-centered people.
Do you think the ostentatious flattery by Miers to Bush has it’s roots anywhere but in self-loathing?
“I hate myself! But YOU! YOU are SO COOL!”
October 12th, 2005 at 5:02 pm“The one thing I am not, is jealous of anyone else. I don’t own a SUV (anymore) and my wife and I are considering adoption.”
Bahaha, not jealous of anyone else? That’s not how your posts read. You’re jealous of others having freedom you don’t think they deserve – that’s jealousy you idiot.
You’re such a dimwit you probably don’t realize that religious societies have MORE crime than those that aren’t religious. But then again, religious people have ‘faith’, so facts and proof aren’t needed. And when it is provided, they fall back to their ‘faith’ to shield them from the truth. You realize this is a psychosis – right? Well it is…
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1798944,00.html
October 12th, 2005 at 5:02 pmWell, its the truth. I am an honest person. It doesn’t matter if you believe me or not. I still have hope that some of you will see the light someday as you mature and grow wiser.
October 12th, 2005 at 5:02 pm“Ryan,
You need to get a life – you post here all day and night. Are you unemployed? Do you need help getting a job? Are you still living with your mom? Sorry, it is you that needs to get a dose of reality.
Comment by Randy”
Bahahah, I love all of the stupid stereotypes these nitwits live with…
I work because I choose to, not because I have to. I also work WHEN I want to – because I can. I also speed read and type faster than you can probably read… What you don’t realize being a nitwit, is that it takes me virtually no time to dismiss your idiocy. You by contrast seem to spend a great deal of time posting – what’s your excuse?
October 12th, 2005 at 5:05 pmYou’re a liar, Randy.
October 12th, 2005 at 5:06 pm“Well, its the truth. I am an honest person. It doesn’t matter if you believe me or not. I still have hope that some of you will see the light someday as you mature and grow wiser.”
Honest people do not post lies – you post lies, therefore you are not an honest person.
I believe facts – you post anti-facts. That proves you lie – even though you may not acknowledge it. Just because you believe a lie, doesn’t make it so. Just because you spread a lie because you don’t check it, doesn’t free you of the guilt. One of the 10 commandments is not to ‘bear false witness’, and yet you accuse the supreme court of doing things it isn’t doing, and you accuse liberals of doing things YOUR party does. That’s a liar – and a moron. Both descriptions fit you.
And don’t adopt any children, a child deserves a parent capable of recognizing right from wrong, not a brainwashed idiot like you you’ll probably beat them and teach them bad morals.
October 12th, 2005 at 5:07 pmAnd Randy,
I have a GREAT life – that’s why I believe in the importance of ensuring others and our civilization gets to enjoy the riches I have. Something a nitwit like you who probably lives paycheck to paycheck could never understand. My interests are beyond my own. I care about ALL of america, even nitwits like you who’re easily duped by lies, propaganda and religious charlatans.
If anyone needs to get a life, it’s you! Get out of your stupid suburban shell. Travel, and talk to locals. Go to Iraq and travel unescorted. Then you might have the basis to have a rational discussion on politics. Right now you’re just another free republic nitwit spreading lies and propaganda.
October 12th, 2005 at 5:11 pmRandy, listen to my radio show by clicking my name. I outed a christian who runs a church in his basement. He got caught red handed pirating cable t.v…so much for christian morals huh?
October 12th, 2005 at 5:11 pmAre you on a mission from God? Is that it, Randy? Did Jesus Christ all mighty descend from the heavens and tell you to take all of this abuse and punishment from us because you are on a mission to save just one of us? If you save just one of us, it will all be worth it, right?
October 12th, 2005 at 5:12 pmYou know what the truth is, Susan. They feel so terrible and guilty about themselves that screaming Jesus will somehow disqualify their bad behavior and all of that sinnin’ that they do will be all washed away.
Guilt is powerful.
October 12th, 2005 at 5:13 pmFrazier (Frazier Show) said on one of his episodes…
The Lord is a credible partner who doesn’t take a cut.
That is why the pugs use him, he works for nothing and the profits are high.
October 12th, 2005 at 5:18 pmSo she found Christ. All those years as a Catholic, and did not know where Christ was?
She found Christ. Where did she find him? Under the altar, behind the drapes, where?
I know one thing though, Christ has not been good to or for Miers. She thinks bush is a brilliant man. See what finding Christ did for her?
October 12th, 2005 at 6:24 pmGood one Pablo!
October 12th, 2005 at 6:28 pmShe’s being nominated to protect Bush’s back when he’s impeached. Simple. Roberts was nominated for the same reasons. TO protect Bush when the deal goes down. That’s it in a nutshell. A crook placing crooks in key positions to protect him when the sh’t finally hits the fan and right before he makes his getaway to Jupiter Island
October 12th, 2005 at 7:56 pmDigger
I have to say this – in follow up to your statement about this being an insult to organized religion
Namely that-
Organized religion is an insult to spirituality
And i for one am sick and tired of organized religion and its mentally diseased promoters f”king with the world, starting wars for religious reasons, teaching that it’s ok to kill for christ, or muhammed, or whoever
Organized religion is a problem
Spirituality is a human characteristic and experience that organized religion tries to comodify and sell.
So I say, down with organized religions
Up with spirituality
And Bush is a dick by the way
October 12th, 2005 at 8:05 pmWhy isn’t ThinkProgress talking about BUsh’s move to overturn the Posse Comitatus act. I was startled when last week Bush talked briefly during his bird flu speech that it might be necessary to quarantine whole sections of the United States. It sounded to me like a step towards military control of the country. If you want to really be worried, worry about this –
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1012-29.htm
“Bush laid the groundwork for his assault on Posse Comitatus on September 26, when he explained his decision to unleash the 82nd Airborne upon Hurricane Katrina-devastated New Orleans: “I want there to be a robust discussion about the best way for the federal government, in certain extreme circumstances, to be able to rally assets for the good of the people.†The Louisiana National Guard, meanwhile, was stuck in Iraq.
“The translation of this is martial law in the United States,†said Dr. Irwin Redlener, associate dean of Columbia University’s School of Public Health and director of its National Center for Disaster Preparedness.
October 12th, 2005 at 8:19 pm“Blue State Red, sometimes you make me think you support the president more than the Republican party.”
I strongly support the GOP as the party of congressional power, but even the most loyal Republican must admit that there has been too much social welfare spending, too much pork, and not enough done about Social Security, illegal immigration, voter fraud, and other important issues. Heck, the GOP hasn’t even been able to get the tax cuts made permanent! So I’m not a “my party, right or wrong” kind of guy. I just refuse to vote for any Democrats, that’s all.
On the other hand, I am very much a “my country, right or wrong” kind of guy. I support my president, whoever he may be. I especially support the president in areas where the constitution gives his office clear constitutional primacy, such as in foreign affairs and judicial appointments.
For example, I was very critical of President Clinton for his legal, ethical and moral shortcomings – all of which have been thoroughly documented (though they are never discussed on this site . . . hmmm, wonder why, Mr. Podesta?). However, in the same way that I now support President Bush, I supported Clinton in his role as commander in chief, and I supported his right to appoint Supreme Court justices of his choosing. Even though he never got as much as 50% of the popular vote, he won two elections, and that gave him the right to wield power, for better or worse.
I may be something of a throwback to the Republicans of the 1940s, who opposed FDR’s social welfare legislation on ideological grounds, but who refused to take partisan shots that might impair the war effort (such as opposing the draft, or complaining about the cost). Try to identify any leading national Democrats today for whom love of country comes first in this way. You could count them on your toes. On this site you wouldn’t need any toes.
October 12th, 2005 at 8:42 pm“I strongly support the GOP as the party of congressional power, but even the most loyal Republican must admit that there has been too much social welfare spending”
Bullshit. There’s very little welfare spending that occurs. This is a misconception of reichwing morons. Most ‘entitlements’ are middle class, not ‘welfare’.
“, too much pork, ”
That’s repuvlican politicians…
“and not enough done about Social Security, ”
True. If they just removed the wage cap, this would correct itself – but that would be fair, and republicans are never fair.
“illegal immigration, ”
And yet crops are going unpicked in california because no illegal workers are there to pick the food…
“voter fraud, ”
True – diebold has stolen several elections for republicans – this is a big issue.
“and other important issues. ”
Yeah, like corporate kickbacks, cronyism and republican corruption. Religious zealots (the texas taliban) running the show, and ruining politics…
“Heck, the GOP hasn’t even been able to get the tax cuts made permanent! ”
That’s because they wrecked the economy. I have a degree in economics – they myth that tax cuts to the wealthy stimulates the economy is as false as the flat earthy theory. It’s only put forward by stupid morons like you who don’t believe in math or science, despite the fact that without them you wouldn’t be able to type on this new fangled computer thingy.
“So I’m not a “my party, right or wrong†kind of guy. I just refuse to vote for any Democrats, that’s all.”
Really, your stupid ideas in policies, and your irrational justifications for them certainly implies that you are.
“On the other hand, I am very much a “my country, right or wrong†kind of guy. ”
Yeah, I’m sure most germans felt your way as well when hitler was gassing millions. Sometimes being for your country is telling your country it’s doing the wrong thing – that’s TRUE patriotism, something republicans have always been clueless about.
“I support my president, whoever he may be. ”
Support? Bullshit. You were one of the first to bitch about clinton, and you know it. You’re a stupid hypocrite…
“I especially support the president in areas where the constitution gives his office clear constitutional primacy, such as in foreign affairs and judicial appointments.”
Really, so you weren’t part of the group that bitched everytime clinton appointed someone you didn’t like? Bahaha -liar!
“For example, I was very critical of President Clinton for his legal, ethical and moral shortcomings – all of which have been thoroughly documented (though they are never discussed on this site . . . ”
Actually there were no relevant ‘legal’ shortcomings, and the only ethical and moral ones were related to his sex life. Unlike the current president who’s list of illegal, immoral and inexcusable actions go a mile long…
“hmmm, wonder why, Mr. Podesta?). ”
Maybe because most of them are ‘fabricated’ by your side? But a delusional prick like you would never imagine such a thing…
“However, in the same way that I now support President Bush, I supported Clinton in his role as commander in chief, and I supported his right to appoint Supreme Court justices of his choosing. ”
Really? And you didn’t bitch? And you didn’t hope they were blocked or ‘prevented’ from receiving a vote? Did you criticize the republicans for doing this? Or were you simply complicitous in your silence? So you’re saying that Dick Armey, Hatch and everyone else was WRONG to block Clinton appointees?
Can we here this now? Republicans were wrong? Come on, you can do it!
“Even though he never got as much as 50% of the popular vote, he won two elections, and that gave him the right to wield power, for better or worse.”
And Bush never got fewer votes than gore did – what’s your point? At least clinton received more votes than his competitor did! Not to mention that according to the last exit polls Kerry received more votes than Bush, despite the mysterious results from the diebold tabulators! So according to both of these situations america did NOT give bush the right to wield power – and yet here we are stuck with the redneck bastard until the next election or he gets impeached for his crimes…
“I may be something of a throwback to the Republicans of the 1940s, who opposed FDR’s social welfare legislation on ideological grounds, ”
You mean because you were stupid and greed? Yeah, that pretty much describes a 40s republican. That, and co-conspirator with Hitler like Prescott Bush was…
“but who refused to take partisan shots that might impair the war effort (such as opposing the draft, or complaining about the cost). ”
Please – republicans kept us out of WWII until we were FORCED into it. You guys have always had bad judgement on when to go to war, and what’s worthy of fighting for/about – you’re still bad at it. As for complaining about the costs, are you an idiot? Republicans complained about every cost during WWII they could muster, especially programs that kept people from starving to death here. You guys were cheap stupid bastards then, and you still are.
“Try to identify any leading national Democrats today for whom love of country comes first in this way. You could count them on your toes. On this site you wouldn’t need any toes. ”
Oh please, your argument is a frame, a strawman, and nonsense. You schmucks start an unnecessary war for oil, lie about the reasons, and then compare this to pearl harbor? You’re a retarded fool!
October 12th, 2005 at 9:03 pmRyan,
I am just checking my personal emails. Why are you still posting? Don’t you have a life? Obviously, you are not married. Hang it up for a while. Go out to a bar. Meet some other liberals. Maybe you’ll find that special someone you so desparately need in your life. Good night!
October 12th, 2005 at 9:17 pm“I am just checking my personal emails. Why are you still posting? Don’t you have a life? Obviously, you are not married. Hang it up for a while. Go out to a bar. Meet some other liberals. Maybe you’ll find that special someone you so desparately need in your life. Good night!”
Bahahaha, wow, so much genuine concern for my well being. Been with my loving partner for almost 20 years thank you. I have a great life, and when I choose to put my energy here – I consider it my gift to the community. Thank you for your concern – but a better question is why would a ‘conservative’ with a life ever bother to post on a liberal site? Clearly you have no REAL life if this is the best and most important thing you can do with your time. I’m supporting my community, and informing people, you simply repost propaganda from the free republic… Who again doesn’t have a life? Oh wait – that’s you dumbass!!!
As for meeting other liberals, I know plenty thanks – there are lots of us know you. But last I saw there were 400 hundred of you stupid diehards in washington – you know you really need to get out in the world more and realize what stupid and out of touch morons you really are…
I have a FABULOUS life, which is why I’ll often go for days or weeks without posting – but then again you aren’t the observant type – so I’m not surprised you missed that.
And does anyone want to know why Mr Randy Butt breath is so worried about ‘my’ life? Because I trash every bullshit thing he writes, and wipe up the floor with the dumbass. Since he can’t beat my arguments, all he’s got left is to delude himself into believing I don’t have a life…
How sad and pathetic you feel that desperate to be better at me over something. Trust me, you’re not better at me in ANYTHING…
October 12th, 2005 at 9:26 pmWhen Bush quarantines your area claiming you’ve been exposed to bird flu and you’re forced to an internment camp for treatment, what will you do?
Can you escape to a wood nearby?
October 12th, 2005 at 9:34 pmRyan Neat
the correct phrasing is “..better than me at anything…”
but why do you even bother to respond to aholes like Randy. Anyone who says on this blog that they strongly support the GOP is just an ahole. Am I right? Why bother even talking to them?
October 12th, 2005 at 9:45 pmWhere will we end up?
Will we ever get rid of Bush?
And if we do, will someone even worse take his place?
What is the future for us?
I ask and I ask, but I get no response
Will any of us stand up for our country
Or will we succumb to the overthrow?
I worry for my son
October 12th, 2005 at 9:57 pmBSR admits he’s a criminal supporter therefore he is a criminal.
Hey Randy did you listen to me out the Christian? Or does mommie limit your access to the internet..the parental controls can be changed, figure it out.
October 12th, 2005 at 10:36 pmcmw,
I don’t do it for them, I do it for everyone to see what wimps and pathetic cowards the chicken hawks are. They fold, lie and distract – because they’re weak. Their policies come from fear and inadequacy – it’s good for people to see exactly HOW sad and pathetic they are…
October 12th, 2005 at 11:16 pmJudd finally has found a topic worth commenting on –
Bull Shit Reeks
Don’t waste your time then.
October 12th, 2005 at 11:52 pmIIBC, Miers’ being nominated solely on religious grounds could raise a question per Article VI(c) of the United States Constitution (with emphasis added):
Just what part of “no religious test shall ever be a qualification,” usw., doesn’t His Fraudulency understand?
October 13th, 2005 at 9:10 am“Oh please, your argument is a frame, a strawman, and nonsense. You schmucks start an unnecessary war for oil, lie about the reasons, and then compare this to pearl harbor? You’re a retarded fool!”
This is why the left conntinues to lose elections. There simply is no evidence that a majority of American voters now support, or ever will support, name-calling left wing fantasy diatribes like this.
The Paul Wellstone left is doomed, in part because they still think George Bush is a candidate. They can’t get over the fact that he won, and has been president for the last 5 years. They ignore the fact that he will never again be on another ballot. And they grasp at the smallest straws – e.g., Rove, Libby, and DeLay – to comfort themselves that somehow they, Michael Moore, George Clooney, Cindy Sheehan and Louis Farrakhan are right and the 61 million Americans who voted for Bush in November 2004 are wrong. Try selling that argument at your typical red state town hall meeting. You’ll be laughed out of the room.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:02 pm“This is why the left conntinues to lose elections. There simply is no evidence that a majority of American voters now support, or ever will support, name-calling left wing fantasy diatribes like this.”
You confuse a coup d’etat with winning… Winning means that getting the most votes – not what Bush did with gore. And according to exit polls (the SAME methodology used by the pentagon to declare the Ukraine a stolen election), Kerry won more votes than bush as well.
The only reason republicans ‘win’ is they cheat. You may feel that’s ‘winning’, but a cheater would…
As for ‘popularity’ – what part about an embarrassing 28% approval of the republican agenda didn’t you understand? Oh right – all of the parts. It must be hard living with your learning disability. So many failures – and so little time.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:09 pm“The Paul Wellstone left is doomed, in part because they still think George Bush is a candidate. They can’t get over the fact that he won, and has been president for the last 5 years. They ignore the fact that he will never again be on another ballot.”
Would that be like how republicans ignore that 2 republicans have already been indicted in Ohio for conspiracy and voter fraud? Would that be the kind of ignoring of facts you refer to? Of course not – REAL facts never penetrate the fog of republican deceptions…
October 13th, 2005 at 7:10 pm“to comfort themselves that somehow they, Michael Moore, George Clooney, Cindy Sheehan and Louis Farrakhan are right and the 61 million Americans who voted for Bush in November 2004 are wrong.”
Actually the polls are saying that almost half of those 61 millions disagree with you, your policies and the president’s agenda.
And don’t forget that those 61 million were only 50.7% of the popular vote. A RAZOR thin margin by anyone’s realistic perspective – and that doesn’t count all of the diebold rigging that had some states as much as 14% out of alignment with exit polls…
October 13th, 2005 at 7:13 pm#31 – PP – Sounds like you have some “issues”.
October 14th, 2005 at 2:31 am“I know EXACTLY what they would have done and so do you. Abortion was always okay for the rich in the 60s you stupid piece of troll. It was church on Sunday, abortion on Tuesday and back to Wednesday service. You are all selfish. You don’t give a crap about unborn fetuses.”
You sure gave up the sweetness and tolerance of the progressive movement fast enough!!! Speaking of which, if you are SO tolerant how do YOU KNOW what anyone else “gives a crap about”?? By the way, have you ever been to a “fetus shower”? I haven’t – I wondered if that was a new take on “baby showers” for the “progressive” crowd. What a “progressive” idea!!
Fvck tolerance. You don’t tolerate fundamentalist, theocratic bigots and fascists. You destroy them.
October 14th, 2005 at 11:57 am“You sure gave up the sweetness and tolerance of the progressive movement fast enough!!! Speaking of which, if you are SO tolerant how do YOU KNOW what anyone else “gives a crap aboutâ€?? ”
65% of americans strongly disagree with current republican policies. Frankly that’s a question you should be asking yourself – but as all information flow is one with with you (out your fat stupid mouth), it’s clear you won’t ever be enough of an adult to recognize this.
As for ‘tolerance’. Tolerance means you accept the rights of others to have their beliefs, not for them to FORCE YOU into believing them. If because you’re too stupid or too religious to have an abortion when necessary, that’s your choice, and no one is trying to force you to have one. However YOUR attitudes are based on the belief that you have a RIGHT to force others to comply with your beliefs. YOU ARE INTOLERANT – and intolerance doesn’t mean you have to accept others being intolerant.
See an adult would understand this distinction, but you’ve repeatedly established that your brain is still infantile. Maybe YOU were aborted? You sure didn’t develop properly!
“By the way, have you ever been to a “fetus showerâ€? I haven’t – I wondered if that was a new take on “baby showers†for the “progressive†crowd. What a “progressive†idea!!
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
What a great idea? And lets call a miscarriage a ‘bad birth’ shall we? And while we’re at it, lets call your period – the MURDER FLOOD – because after all you let that potential embroy die!
Just because you’re an irrational twit that lives in a world of irrational dogma, don’t push your stupid crap on others. After all, dozens of innocent people have been killed on death row that were cleared of their crimes after their MURDERS. So maybe we should just call you MurderingAphrodite since you believe in the death penalty. See the difference between abortion and the death penalty is that we KNOW INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE KILLED WITH THE DEATH PENALTY – whereas since does not agree with you that a fetus is a HUMAN BEING, any more than your FOOT is a human being.
So you claim to be religious – obviously you’re an abortion whacko – but you also make fun of the poor and make stupid statements about being rich and keeping your money. This leads me to believe you’ve never read either the jewish or christian bible? Because clearly you’re wrong.
Deuteronomy 15:4–15 ‘There shall be no poor among you’
“If one of your countrymen becomes poor and is unable to support himself among you, help him as you would an alien or a temporary resident, so he can continue to live among you. Do not take interest of any kind from him, but fear your God, so that your countrymen may continue to live among you…”
–Leviticus 25:35-36 (NIV)
“If one of your countrymen becomes poor among you and sells himself to you, do not make him work as a slave. He is to be treated as a hired worker or a temporary resident among you; he is to work for you until the Year of Jubilee”.
–Leviticus 25:39-40 (NIV)
# Defender of the fatherless and widows (Deut. 10:18; Psalm 10:16-18; 40:17, 68:5; Jeremiah 22:16)
# Protector of the poor (Psalm 12:5)
# Rescuer of the poor (I Sam 2:8, Psalm 35:10, 72:4, 12-14, Isaiah 19:20, Jeremiah 20:13)
# Provider of the poor (Psalm 68:10, 146:7, Isaiah 41:17)
# Savior of the poor (Psalm 34:6, 109:31)
# Refuge of the poor (Psalm 14:6, Isaiah 25:4).
He promises to judge those who oppress the poor (Deut 27:19, Prov. 17:5, 21:13, 22:16, 28:27; Isaiah 10:1-4; Eze 18:12-13, 16:49).
I could go on, but then again, you never actually hear anything rational, so I’m sure this will bounce off of that stupid rock filled skull like everything else.
Isn’t it shameful when the Hindu knows more about your religion than you do? It should be – but clearly you have no shame or dignity!
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