A New Low For Operation Photo-Op
By on Oct 13th, 2005 at 10:03 am
A New Low For Operation Photo-Op
UPDATE: The money quote from Bush via Atrios:
I wish I could be there to see you face to face and thank you personally. Probably a little early for me to go to Tikrit. Perhaps one of these days the situation will be such that I’ll be able to get back to Iraq.
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"And my daughters, Jenna and Barbara, will be enlisting tomorrow because this 'march of freedom' is too important"
October 13th, 2005 at 10:07 am"I like yous!" said the Iraqi soldier, after getting shocked with a cattle prod.
October 13th, 2005 at 10:12 amEleven............. is that a soccer team?
October 13th, 2005 at 10:15 amit gets worse... that was not actually the president but an animatronic double W uses when he'd rather be playing golf...
October 13th, 2005 at 10:16 ami think in the future this scene will have bush talking to bush on the screen. he will ask himself questions and get pissed when the image on the screen says the same thing he does every time. second graders will understand.
October 13th, 2005 at 10:17 amAgain, Dean. How long has it been since we had the pleasure of hearing someone (ANYONE!) talk in fluid, cogent sentences!
October 13th, 2005 at 10:17 amIt's so hard! My ears! They bleed! Who understands Bush's language?!
I'm not a Dean shill, but oh my God, how long has it been?
It is nice to see that all the US-trained, equipped and combat-ready Iraqi troops could make it for the telecon. Very polite of them.
October 13th, 2005 at 10:17 amIt's hard to see Chosen Eleven, but as best I can make out, the Bushies didn't even get the usual racial, ethnic, gender mix. Buy, they can't do anything right any more!
October 13th, 2005 at 10:19 am"When you clock the human race with the stopwatch of history, it's a new record every time."
"Hey, you broke the president!"
October 13th, 2005 at 10:20 ambuckfush,
October 13th, 2005 at 10:22 amI admire your persistance. Companies will bribe a monkey if a monkey is in power. Boycotting does not work. It does not get media attention. It also involves research. It's back door revolution.
YOUR problem is with lobbying. That's a different fight.
Go to BuyBlue, see how many companies give equally to Dems and Repubs.
"These go to eleven!"-Nigel
October 13th, 2005 at 10:25 amDamn...one short of a jury.
Bushie lucked out on this one.
October 13th, 2005 at 10:27 ambush talking to bush - Daily Show had Bush debating himself during the election.
At least TDS viewers are educated and intelligent. CNN's viewers better beware what they are being fed.
October 13th, 2005 at 10:28 amhow come they're all holding their dicks?
October 13th, 2005 at 10:29 amRe: buckfush comment
October 13th, 2005 at 10:32 amIt is beyond irony to me that Mobil has sold 8,000 of their stations to Lukoil- I'm not sure it that is 100% of them, but around SE PA the turnover seems just about complete- harder to boycott them that way... and here's the punchline: Lukoil is a Russian owned company.
After all that arms race obsession and protect us from Russia ruling anxiety I grew up with in the 50's, the global owners get to rule from RUssia after all. And our "education race" started with Sputnik has left us with ever more mandated (unfunded) standards and ever cleverer ways of wriggling out of meeting them and a dismal overall level of capability in the average American student.
Welcome to the ownership society, suckers.
#6,
October 13th, 2005 at 10:34 amlmao!
That's downright Orwellian.
They must think everyone has stopped taking their Soma.
October 13th, 2005 at 10:38 am"The Americans brought electricity to my ass before they brought it to my house."
- quote by an Iraqi detainee, after being released from Abu Ghraib prison {from Dahr Jamail}
October 13th, 2005 at 10:38 amWhere in the hell is Judas Iscariot? What an ingrate! Won't even show up for Lord Bush's incantation.
October 13th, 2005 at 10:40 am"Gosh, if I could get away from all the crap here in DC, I'd be with you boys in a heartbeat. You boys have left some brush for me to clear out haven't you?"
October 13th, 2005 at 10:51 amBuckfush, I have been on strike against all of those corporations for over 20 years. Welcome to the club. So far it has really done much good, but maybe if a few more join in, it will.
Spend money in ways that nurture your vision of the world.
October 13th, 2005 at 10:52 am"Probably a little early for me to go to Tikrit."
Right. Two years and six months after I declared that major combat operations were over. But, one day...
October 13th, 2005 at 10:56 amGeorge: "You are getting very sleepy.... repeat after me, we are doing a heckuva job, bla bla freedom, bla bla democracy, bla bla terrorists, bla bla honor, bla bla heros... by the way, have any of you guys seen some sacks of cash floating around over there?"
October 13th, 2005 at 10:57 amlets replace thoes 11 , with 1,966 COFFINS.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:02 am"And sir, we all consider you the Peace Duke."
October 13th, 2005 at 11:03 am[...] It was a teleconference with 11 troops in Iraq. A teleconference! And no fake turkey to dish out, either! [...]
October 13th, 2005 at 11:05 amwhat he really said is that you fools are dying for haliburton and I dont give a damn about you as long as there is $$$$ to be made for my friends and me.Jenna and barbie are a better class of people than you soldiers dying for $$$/ remember WMD is the acronym fo WERE MAKING DOLLARS
October 13th, 2005 at 11:08 amGOD BLEsS THE SOLDIERS AND COME HOME SAFE
October 13th, 2005 at 11:10 amHell Yeah. Hoooya!
October 13th, 2005 at 11:11 amhousands of Iraqi detainees who have not been brought to trial have been allowed to vote in Iraq's constitutional referendum at prisons such as the notorious Abu Ghraib detention centre, officials said.
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October 13th, 2005 at 11:12 am"Gosh Turd, I feel so badly about those poor detainees. Held anonomously, beaten, tortured and humiliated the last two and a half years by...Umm...those few bad apples from the bottom of the barrel.
How can we ever make it up to them?"
I am sick and tired of hearing people who claim to be true progressives and true democrats talk about the dems who voted for the war in Iraq as scum.
You evidently have no idea of what makes this world go round, do you?
It is because the dems VOTED FOR the war that there is still a democratic party.
Can you imagine how many fewer democrats would be in the senate today if the VOTED AGAINST the stupid bush war?
In the ensueing two years before the 2004 elections the bushlandia would have torn the democratic party asunder. The results at the polls on election day would have been catastrophic. The democratic party would be torn to shreds by the juggernaut puke machine.
Oh there would havaae been a few democrat senatorial survivors, may 30 or so, no more. If it had not been for the dems voting for the bush war, the senate would now be about 70 - 30.
I am sure that many democratic senators who voted for the bush war were against it, but realized something you people out there dont realize. IT WAS POLITICAL SURVIVOR TIME.
So - lay off the democratic senators who voted for the bush war. Everything is going to be all right. They voted so that they could live to fight another day. You have to realize that.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:14 amWhy doesn't Old Bushie sign his daughters up to go to Iraq. Maybe his Mother would be even better than she could fine out how the rest of the world lives. I guess this is another photo-op for this guy to sale this illigal war.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:16 am"Perhaps one of these days the situation will be such that I’ll be able to get back to Iraq."
Perhaps? Perhaps????!!!!
Sounds quite a bit like he's losing confidence in his whole war.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:17 amMaybe Bush will be ready to return to Iraq when the flower-strewing natives are so happy about their freedom and safety that they will rename their country Bushopotamia in honor of the great liberator.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:18 amBrian (#12) - thanks for the laugh! I wish I knew how to add a sound bite to this, because I have that one on my computer.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:18 amWhat happened to all the "progress" the United States is making in Iraq? Now don't forget, just hold your hand over that flame until I loose, "my" resolve!! This is a joke and an insult to the troops!!!
October 13th, 2005 at 11:18 amWe should bring our troops home now. We have had to many soldiers died for what. There was no WMD. 9-11 had nothing to do with Iraq. all the Iraqi people that have died and have been tortured for what.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:26 amUp next, Georgie visits the wounded at Walter Reed via video link. Or maybe he'll carve a turkey on Thanksgiving via video for the troops in Iraq? Or look at it this way, using that there video thing saves on non-essential travel, yeah, that's the ticket.
On a more serious note, does anyone know when was the last time a senior administration official visited Iraq? Rice is in the area, but she isn't planning on visiting Iraq. Hughes didn't visit Iraq during her "listening tour." Rumsfeld was there in July, but since then who has been?
October 13th, 2005 at 11:29 amPablo in Mexico
Live to fight another day? I suppose the "another day" is sometime in the future because since the Dems rolled over on Iraq, the only real opposition they have put up was blocking the destruction of social security. They must have liked it on the bottom.
WMD was bullshit from the start. Anyone who voted for the war is complicit in the deaths of almost 2000 american soldiers and countless (uncounted) iraqis.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:35 am#37
It is amazing what we are witnessing in Iraq, although all the MSM wants you to hear are horrors of war. I'll admit that war is hell, but when you think about how Iraq will be a future democratic state in the midst of dictatorships, there is hope that there will finally be peace in the Middle East. I thought that liberals cared about human rights? The fact that twenty five million people will have the opportunity to finally have their own constitution with a vote on Saturday means nothing to you? Its almost as if you are rooting for the enemy. That is a scary thought that you would put your political interests ahead of someones personal freedom. It just shows how desperate the left is to regain their power.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:37 amOperation Photo-Op
Complete with the money quote, "I wish I could be there to see you face to face and thank you personally. Probably a little early for me to go to Tikrit."
October 13th, 2005 at 11:45 amThere will never be peace in the Middle East. It is the Republicans that have screwed up this country. They are a bunch of liars. We invaded a country that was none of our business. Bushie went into Iraq for oil and to make his buddies richer.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:46 amLiberals Have Screwed Up This Country,
That's rich! The NEW LIBERALISM! Militaristic Imperialism!
October 13th, 2005 at 11:49 am"We support the troops!"
"We're saving civilization!"
"Bush is cool!"
Those are the sounds of "IT'S OVER!"
October 13th, 2005 at 11:51 amThis thing has gone on longer than WWI, the Spanish American War, the Persian Gulf War, the War of 1812, and the Mexican-American War. In six months it will be longer than the Korean War.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:51 amAve, Caesar! Morituri te salutant!
October 13th, 2005 at 12:01 pmThis entire exchange was apparently scripted as CNN reported. The soldiers rehearsed their answers with Bush before hand, but were caught off guard when Bush strayed from the script to put in his own words. I'm guess the quote extracted by my fellow Philadelphian, Atrios, was what WASN'T on the script.
Man, these Bush photo-ops just become more pathetic every time. He continues to use the soldiers to gain support from the American people about the Iraq war. He holds televised speeches at Army bases, drops names of family members of solders, and now tries to hold a videophone conversation - but it had to be SCRIPTED.
And if it was scripted, you know that the soldiers were carefully picked depending on their loyalty to the president so they didn't say anything the President doesn't want the American people to hear.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:03 pm#46
October 13th, 2005 at 12:04 pmWhat's your point? Bush said the war on terror would not be short, it would be long.
#43
It looks like you are going to be on the wrong side of history again. Reagan knew how to defeat the Soviet Union in the cold war and commplished just that. Good luck trying to convince anyone in '08 that your party is going to be tough on terrorism.
"It is amazing what we are witnessing in Iraq,"
Amazing. Hey Dick, your media management is working on at least one sucker. Hasn't it been almost twenty days now? Where are the rest of the Abu Ghraib photos and videos?
October 13th, 2005 at 12:04 pm#49 I am not on the wrong side of history. You are a brainwash Republican that cann't think for your self. Bush is going down for all that he has done wrong. In 2006 and 2008 we will have a Democrat congress and the white house. You can cry in your beer.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:16 pm"Tough on terrorism."
October 13th, 2005 at 12:18 pmI've been waiting for that phrase to show up.
Bush has been about as squishy-soft on terrorism as its possible to be.
Has he cracked down on Pakistan for dealing in nukes--and for harboring Osama bin Laden?
Has he been tough on Saudi Arabia? Has he gone after the bin Laden family billions?
And if we're hit by a suitcase nuke in San Diego, or run a car-bomb into a chemmical factory poisoning half of Naltimore, how tough will Bush's America stand.
The new head of FEMA will do nothing and wail and blame others, and thousands will die crying for help that nevver comes.
Tough on terrorism?
He's not tough enough to go to Tikrit.
That's a charge the Republicans dare not make.
Nothing this president has told us about Iraq has been true. The attack on Iraq was for the control of the region and oil. The neocons will fight to always have American soldiers in Iraq and thus American soldiers will always be dying. While they attempt to gloss over the horror of our government's actions with their "democracy" for everyone pitch, the reality is that it's a bailout option and not the primary reason for the debt incurrred and deaths of American solidiers and civilians and Iraq citizens. This president's arrogance and lack of leadership skill will be the highlight of his career in history books. Too bad so many will have suffered and died for his failed leadership.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:27 pm"The mass of men serve the state thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia, jailors, constables, posse comitatus, etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgment or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well."
October 13th, 2005 at 12:32 pm. . . Henry David Thoreau
Notice that his lecturn was set up so that we saw his right side -- not the left side where he has developed that nasty jaw tic.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:37 pmIt's pathetic that the Prez has to do scripted visual ops like this. When this story makes the rounds - and we should all make sure that that happens, snail mail e-mail tell your friends - gwb will be an even bigger joke than he is now, and by extension a lamer duckie!
#19 ROFL!
October 13th, 2005 at 12:44 pmYou're correct, Southwest. These goofy repubs were duped into this war. They bought it hook, line and sinker. You would think that would make them just a bit angry having all of those servicemen die for a lie. They were gullible and still are. Stupid fools.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:45 pm[...] Earlier today, President Bush held an “impromptu” public teleconference with a group of U.S. soldiers based in Tikrit, Iraq. [...]
October 13th, 2005 at 12:47 pm#49 Yes, and the fight against a few bearded, deluded men with homemade bombs who want to take over the world goes on! and on, and on... Bush has tried to raise these pisant murderers to the status of a major foe (and suceeded where you're concerned), when they are just criminals who can be beat without warring on entire nations. Where's bin-laden?
We have to fight way smarter - the preznit and his crew of cronies are simply not capable. Sorry. They've proved it at every turn. Worse, they rigged the info on Iraq and took the country to war against a toothless tyrant and his 3rd world nation. That's criminal and only a fool would excuse that.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:53 pmA couple of thousand of your own good citizens have died for this big lie, 15,000 maimed and injured, and 100,000 Iraqis at the least, are said to have perished. People whose only crime was to be born under the dictatorship of Saddam. Did Saddam ever kill as many?
What's left to discuss about this stupid war? The nonsensical idea that, well yeah it is bad in Iraq now, but it'd be way worse if we pull out? The same excuse was used to prolong the conflict in Vietnam. it was a mistake that cost the lives of good kids. Armchair soldiers are aleays willing to make these sacrifices it seems. George is the nation's #1 Armchair warrior that's for sure.
Live imitates parody
October 13th, 2005 at 12:58 pmGeez, this is pathetic. What's next? Bush standing in front of a "blue screen" with whatever rah-rah scene behind him ala Mike Cordury of The Daily Show?
...Absolute Faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power...
- eric hoffer
Bush suffers from both, how do I know he suffers? look at the suffering his decisions inflict upon others. Evil men lash out at others rather than facing their own failures. Bush is the symbol referred to as anti-christ. Everything the man says is a lie. He's not even "from" Texas. Native Texans don't walk or talk that way, we need not act, we are.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:03 pmThe "tough on terrorism" claim is soooo very rich. If you believe this president is tough on terror you're deluding yourself. The number of terrorist acts hasn't decreased in the world; it could be debated that this President and his policies has helped to create MORE terrorists; and where's Bin Laden?
October 13th, 2005 at 1:04 pmwhatever happened to Tecumseh's Curse anyway. Aren't we do for a death in the office?
October 13th, 2005 at 1:08 pmAnyone chanting "stop the Republican party" ought to read this:
http://www.counterpunch.org/werther10132005.html
October 13th, 2005 at 2:07 pmThat rant is all over the map. To me it's very poorly organized, and counterpunch (who ever they are) really needs to get some professional writers!
October 13th, 2005 at 2:38 pmBush is lousy at stand-up. He continues to believe he is witty enough to go off script. What a jerk - and exploiting the soliders is unconscionable propaganda.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:48 pm"Who's the worse president ever?"
"Survey says..."
October 13th, 2005 at 3:26 pmThere is a map of the 2004 election results at:
(Scroll down to 'Election Results Bt County')
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/
There is a map of the US casualties from Iraq and Afghanistan by location at:
October 13th, 2005 at 3:32 pmhttp://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/photos/war_casualties/map/m10000.html
I can't tell from the screenshot, but...um...is there a single non-white person in the freakin' bunch of GIs there?
I mean...it's odd because I thought that there was somewhat a higher representation of minorities in the military than in the overall population...
I could be wrong--and there could be a minority there that I just can't see, hereby mooting my point, but...Given the really awful poll results...it's weird.
Did GIs refuse to participate?
October 13th, 2005 at 4:48 pmAnother Staged News Event from the Bush Administration. What a joke!!!
October 13th, 2005 at 6:30 pmOH CANADA! MY HOME AND NATIVE LAND!
October 13th, 2005 at 6:49 pmSee http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4957379 before they pull it down!
October 13th, 2005 at 6:58 pmPropaganda rehearsal so they can kinda catapult it... heh, heh, heh,
Where are the brothers? I do not see any black or hispanic soldiers. Additionally, all the soldiers I saw were officers or senior enlisted (E-7s or 8s). The grunts who were doing the fighting were not asked their opinion. By why would they, the Republicans do not value real courage, they are masters at tearing the real warriors down. Remember McCain and Kerry.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:29 pmI like the idea of a strike -- a purchasing strike. It is the only thing Republicans and corporate America can comprehend. It is the only kind of action the populace can take that will actually get their attention, because $ is the only thing they relate to.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:33 pmI just finished listening to the 'rehearsal.' Oh my God! That was so pathetic!
October 13th, 2005 at 7:42 pmBTW, did anybody else notice that the soldiers were not allowed to ask any questions to the Connecticut Cokehead?
October 13th, 2005 at 7:47 pmGo Bush go, bring on the New world Order you facist pig
October 13th, 2005 at 7:47 pmphoto op. by the lying jew news media hehehehe
October 13th, 2005 at 7:51 pmThis figures, too:
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/355272p-302744c.html
October 13th, 2005 at 7:55 pmHe did the satellite broadcast because if he was to go over there one of his own soldiers an iraqi would make him a sniper target and take him out!!!!!!!!!! Where are the black or hispanic people in this. Typical Army Bull ****. Instead of getting an opinion on the ground from an average soldier. They have to have a High Enlisted or High Ranking officer speak and put F***** up false reality in our mouths!!!!! Bush is a white supremist no doubt about it!!!!
October 13th, 2005 at 8:15 pmLiberals suck my ass
October 13th, 2005 at 8:57 pmWag the Dog GW!!!! The Emperor wears no clothes!
October 13th, 2005 at 9:29 pmGeorge Bush "I would have had more there for the photo op, but, the GOP buses broke down on the way there."
I will put this picture in MY LIE-BRARY!
October 13th, 2005 at 9:41 pmHere's the streaming video of the whole thing (Real Player). My 4 year old grandchild sounds SO much more coherent than Bush!
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/10/20051013.html#
October 13th, 2005 at 10:02 pmWhen I first saw this quote I thought it was something Saddam Hussein said...
October 13th, 2005 at 10:46 pmAt least in Vietnam, George Bush had an exit strategy.
Coward.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:34 pmWait a second I though the mission was accomplished three years ago when GOVERNOR Bush(Texas govenor was the last position Geogrge was elected to.) was on the ship making a fool of the country. SUPPORT THE TROOPS NOT THE WAR!! P.S I am not a democrate or republican I am a anti-Bushacrate.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:06 amYou got to love this administration. After all these "surprise visits" they finaly declare it may be to early for anybody in power to risk his live in these "last throws" of an insurgency that startet right after they declared the end of major combat operations.
What comes next? The admission that for every enemy fighter killed two new ones step up to the plate? That you can't fight a war against an "-ism"? That americans in decades to come will still pay for this war? To countries like China?
What a disgrace to the american people! Not finding WMDs was very bad but this ongoing quagmire is even worse. Get the troops back where they belong and impeach Bush for his lies!
Martin (Germany)
October 14th, 2005 at 2:37 amSome of you are dangerously close to being self-absorbed A-holes. Your fight is not with the soldiers in that image, so stop making stupid remarks about YOUR (whether you like it or not) country's fighting men and women. My God, read back over your posts. Racial/gender diversity? WHO CARES how many black men the Army threw in the audience... you people will whine and complain about anything, thinking that doing so makes you somehow more intelligent than the other side. You are pathetic.
And for those of you saying "Support the Troops, Not the War!"... Do some homework. Research specifically: Al-Qaeda's (the portion operating in Iraq, that is) strategy regarding the insurgency there, Current events involving media manipulation by geurilla/terrorist forces (ie Australia's stance).
Grow up, I really can't say it enough. Had any of you anything intelligent and thought-provoking to say, I might have responded with a more thought out answer, but as is I find myself pounding away on the keyboard with my rant. Is attacking a man's speech problems the absolute BEST you've got?
October 14th, 2005 at 5:33 amOh and in my alarm at discovering what a bunch of morons you are, I forgot my own point: That it is NOT surprising Bush will not goto certain portions/all of Iraq. Do you people realize how badly some of these religious fanatics hate us? Oh, and dont give me that "we made them so" BS... like it or not, many people hate us for who we are. A target like Bush would (A) not only be a major propaganda victory for the insurgency but (B) cause major disruption and divert US military resources away from where they are need. In wars like that in Iraq we do not have the luxury of front-lines. Everywhere you go there is a risk of danger, including the lauded International Zone aka "Green Zone". Having said that, how many major political leaders throughout history have placed themselves in direct reach of the enemy?
It's almost like you find ANYTHING to say, anything that can be even remotely confirmed by just one other like-minded individual and suddenly you all believe you have a 'point'. Well, I'm here to tell you don't. Goodnight
I'm done now.
October 14th, 2005 at 5:40 amWell Sheeple. We get what we vote for dont we.
October 14th, 2005 at 5:42 amWait, wait, wait. I'm sorry. I read a post above at random and wow... let me review for ya'
"This thing has gone on longer than WWI, the Spanish American War, the Persian Gulf War, the War of 1812, and the Mexican-American War. In six months it will be longer than the Korean War."
Comment by e_five
I'm sorry, but what "thing" are you referring to? The United States invaded Iraq in 2003. It is now 2005 (thats 2 years, 3 realistically). World War II lasted from 1939 until 1945 (6 years). Spanish-American war you managed to get right, it was in fact shorter than Iraq. Persian Gulf... again, correct. But we didn't actually INVADE Iraq that time, now did we? Korea last three years so we're hit or miss there. But I have two things to point out... (1) There were over 50,000 KIA in Korea, compared to the less than 2,000 we're dealing with today and (2) Somehow, by the construction of your sentence, you made it sound like the Korean war lasted longer than all the other conflicts you mentioned.
You sir, are the biggest moron here.
October 14th, 2005 at 5:49 amUh oh. Ok, I knew I had to have missed something. You said WWI not WWII. Well, WWI lasted from 1914 to 1918. Although, I believe that given the actual time-frames they are in fact very close. Still, I think some 50,000 US troops died in that war? And that was only AFTER American involvement in 1917.
Either I missed your point or the sheer stupidity of your comment is going to continue keeping me up.
October 14th, 2005 at 6:06 amOK, Our leader has most of the world hating "US" and if they think the same way as Bush, then I think we need to ready for a war in our own contry.
October 14th, 2005 at 7:42 amThis orchestrated teleconference is just another example of how far this coumntry has drifted away from the ideals that were set by the nation's forefathers. Also, being based abroad, I should let all know that Europeans do not hate Americansm, they hate our current President. We have to face the fact that we have a wanker running the show and we as citizens have shunned our responsibility of making sure our government is run properly, rather than the government making sure it runs itself, and its subjects, properly. If Washington or Jefferson were alive to see what has happened to this country, there is little question that they would want the entire thing scrapped.
October 14th, 2005 at 8:03 amScams and human nature - when we are scammed, duped, ripped-off, etc., it seems that we are not as troubled by the loss of money or property as much as feeling foolish for being taken. The ego does not heal quickly. 52% of the population did not yet understand that a scam was being run on them. Very personal buttons were pushed and now it is clear that it was all manipulative theater. Humiliation is brutal. It's time to regard those on the wrong side of this mess as victims - the little old lady who opened her check book and got cleaned out by some creep - and offer out sympathy - they name call, they point fingers - they try like crazy to change the reality so that they can not feel so foolish. We need to start letting "the taken" off the hook and help them back into reality. They are hurting because they trusted and believed and were dumped on. Let's be kind between now and 2006 - we're still all in this together and we've a mess to clean up.
October 14th, 2005 at 9:25 amAMEN!
October 14th, 2005 at 10:53 amHe is still cheating the people.
October 14th, 2005 at 11:03 amWhen discussing our troop's fallen, remember our casualties please. Our fine troops are suffering horribly debilitating injuries due to the IEDs.
If our triage level was on a par with Vietnam or Korea we would doubtless have seen a much higher fatality rate.
As an ex Airborne Ranger I can tell you that dubyah is the last man I would want in a trench with me, well after Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rove, Rumsfeld. All men who would not know what the term "service to the country" means.
October 14th, 2005 at 11:17 amIt's just the acts of a very sad and desperate man.
October 14th, 2005 at 11:52 amI WOULD LIKE TO BE THERE,BUT I'M GOING ON VACATION FOR A MONTH.
October 14th, 2005 at 11:59 amBush is a war criminal and should fired and thrown in jail. Evan that would be too good for that looser. What he has done to your country is beyond comprehension. He and his thugs have ruined your economy, ruined your reputation in the eyes of world. It is amazing how on earth that stupid dude ever got elected in the first place.
The only thing giving hope, is just listening him. You can see how difficult it is for him to meet ordinary persons. He is uncertain, you can see it in his shaky voice. I hope that miserable human beeing would finally realize what a big failure he is and how he has destroeyd so many lives. If there's a heaven and hell, he has surely earned passage to the latter. May he burn in fires of hell for eternity.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:39 pmI would like to thank all the people who actually care enough to pay attention and comment. We need more who give a crap, and it doesn't matter what viewpoint they have. It's not about Dems or Rebubs, they all have succumb to the laws of human nature. They all are members of the world bank and cannot get away from a system based on power and money. Everyone wants to rule the world. Everyone wants power and control. Everyone feels their way is the right way. We need all the people who wear camoflage and carry a gun. We need the bleeding heart liberals. Who else would do it? It's going to suck weather Dems or Repubs are in office. It's human nature gone wild, which can be seen everywhere from Ann Coulter's books, to Micheal Moore's movies. If we Americans can acknowledge the laws of human nature, maybe we can avoid our own demise. PS- Religion is still in the dark ages also.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:49 pmI am a moderate Democrat if you feel the need to catagorize me.
Cheer up everybody. The guillotine is about to drop on this administration, as soon as Fitzgerald is good and ready. Who knows what he uncovered, but he didn't spend 2 years and send Judy to jail just to come up with a parking violation. Then the two polls that show more Americans than not support impeachment for WMD lies will not be hidden so well that you have to know about them already to find them on the internet. It's time for other polling companies to join Zogby and Ipsos and ask the impeachment question of the citizenry. When Congress realizes what the public wants, which will shock everybody, they may get the guts to do it. More Americans support impeachment of Bush than ever supported it for Clinton. Ipsos poll is at AfterDowningStreet.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:02 pmP.S. I am an Independent who despises everything the Bush family has ever done, including giving birth to idiots and criminals.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:04 pmI read somewhere that the polling companies say they will ask the impeachment question if someone in congress mentions it which puts it in the national dialogue. So we have to get some congressman to say the I word. Who will it be?
October 14th, 2005 at 1:08 pmTed Kennedy.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:09 pmYessssss! Email campaign to Teddy to ask him to call for impeachment!
Ted is vocal and has nothing to lose.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:12 pmGeeting's
October 14th, 2005 at 2:02 pmImpeachment????? For who, just getting rid of georgie boy will accomplish NOTHING. Afterall he does not really have a brain and so he sure as sh*t could not be doing the brain work (or lack thereof)in the BLACK HOUSE. WE HAVE TO IMPEACH THE WHOLE ADMINISTRATION, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rove,Rice, etc, etc. Ted Kennedy would be a great place to start thou, we need to have somebody with balls to stand up to these obviosly GREED driven idiot's. peace
how does it feel to be a killer or a supporter of such action when in your religion it says "THOU SHALL NOT KILL".
October 14th, 2005 at 2:50 pmbeing british, we love america but the presidents a fool,96 troops dead just to sit around like ducks waiting for fat cats at the top to pull thier finger out. im no liberal but i think the war has turned into a disgrace, pulling out we simply cant do yet, but how the hell can we stay any longer? oh an btw the spelling mistakes ive seen on this topic are awful!
October 14th, 2005 at 3:20 pmCome on! If that wasn't staged, I don't know what staged is. Bush could barely utter complete sentences and the hand-picked troops were drooling over themselves to suck up. Are they kidding! Pathetic. Do they think we are all morons! You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people ALL of the time.
Finally, we see the George and how sad it is!
October 14th, 2005 at 4:41 pmWill someone from Canada adopt me please? These people are fookin' krazy!
October 14th, 2005 at 8:17 pmTom,
Only 35% are Crazy, and only 25% are beyond medicatitive assistance. The rest of the country is just recovering from Shock. I'd say people seeing the federal ineptitude of Katrina and the COMPLETE LACK OF HOMELAND SECURITY was the first real stirring of broad sanity in the country. I think it's gonna snow ball from here - just get ready for the ride! Americans can be fickle, but we're a bitch when we make up our mind as a majority!
October 14th, 2005 at 8:48 pmI doubt if any of the major network or cable news stations reported on the fact that the whole P.R. thing with the fake soldiers were staged. That's would be an insult to the real soldiers fighting for their lives so Georgie Boy can live for another day with his gin and tonic.
Pablo, if you're really from Mexico, you should come to the U.S.A. and see the reality that's so opposite of your fantasy world. Poverty, unemployment, high gas prices and inhumanity to humans has become a new way of life and it's thanks to that chimp who resides in the White House.
October 15th, 2005 at 12:30 pmChupacabras Dark Seas: An addition to our Disappointment Archives.
By Juvencio González, Jr
You know what bothers me about certain diseases the most is recognizing a cancer but calling it something else. And many issues we face in society are like those malignant diseases - especially if we ignore the symptoms.
When it comes to the lack of Latino representation in the entertainment industry, it bothers me knowing when we are perturbed by what we see but prefer to remain silent because maybe someone else will speak up about it.
Well, I'm like a little drop of water that hopes to turn in to a pond, river or even into an ocean. And, at this stage of my life, I really don't care who joins me or speaks out as long as I don't keep my mouth shut.
Chupacabras: Dark Seas is a total disgrace for us hard working Latinos. And please don't tell me that I don't understand that all Latino roles cannot be about the good guy - because with this particular story - it's totally one sided and it does not do any justice to either role.
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The portrait of the Latinos in this movie is just another version of what we have been talking about for so many years. And, in my opinion, Chupacabras: Dark Seas happens to be just an addition to the Latino disappointment archives.
Call it an obsession but when it comes to the way I am portrayed as a Latino on television I become obsessed. If I am portrayed as a noble, hard working professional, patriotic, and legal abiding citizen then I am obsessed to praise the entertainment industry, its powerbrokers and everyone involved.
But if I am portrayed as a villain, lazy person, criminal and the most horrific human being on this planet - then I have no other alternative but to be obsessed at shutting down the operation and setting the story straight.
Don’t get me wrong. I am old enough to know that the Entertainment Industry’s job is to entertain us and Latino talent need to play the good and the bad.
So to set the record straight, when I criticize a movie, I am not criticizing the role Latino talents play in a movie but the overall message of the movie and the impact of that message – that may last for generations.
And if a Latino appears to be part of the movie I am criticizing, then “ponte el sello si se te aplica†(wear the stamp if it applies to you) because you should have read the script before accepting the part. Then once again, welcome again to the topic of social responsibility and being a role model to our people – particularly the youth generation.
See, that is the bottom line, movie producers, writers and Hollywood brokers have a social responsibility and the public needs to hold them accountable. Even Federal agencies like the FCC – overlooking what they do needs to be held accountable because many of these agencies may not be aware of how the public perceives them. (Until recently, the FCC had a Latina on the board and I understand she was an asset to the Commission).
Recently, when I started speaking against this movie I started getting mixed messages from other Latino colleagues in the film industry. Surprisingly, when I exposed my question and elicited their opinion of what I thought, I got the silent treatment or they advised me to turn off the television if I didn’t like the television program.
Ok, I thought about it and I ultimately arrived with a response - sorry but that’s not going to do it. Maybe I should turn it off but it is not going to turn me off. And practically speaking, if I turn off the television program, I may be turning off more than a channel but my voice, the way it makes me feel inside and the values that makes up our people into such wonderful and beautiful human beings.
Believe me when I say that I was feeling hurt inside when I attacked the “Kingpin†episodes. Hurt because when it came to the performances of our Latino talent – I could only feel pride and joy for their performance. But I had to think beyond their performance. Following my instinct, I had to see the real message behind a brilliant masterpiece. It portrayed Mexicans and other Latinos as savages and criminals and horrific creatures.
So yes, contrary of those Hollywood Latino masterminds, I need to speak against the Sci Fi addition which aired on Saturday, October 1, at 9/8 c. It’s no less than Chupacabra: Dark Seas.
Let me give you some pointers about the movie. It was written by Steve Jankowski and John Shepphird and the main “Latino Character†happens to be a well known actor by the name of Giancarlo Esposito who is originally from Copenhagen, Denmark. In this particular movie, Mr. Esposito plays a Dr. Peňa who is described as a “cryptozoolist trying to make his name in the scientific community.†Of course, needless to say, his mission is to trap the legendary Chupacabras on a remote Caribbean Island.
My first negative impression begins at the beginning of the scene when the actor enters the scene accompanied by what appeared (my opinion) a team of hardcore guerillas driving jeeps savagely through a South American Jungle. They are dressed in military fatigues and carrying rifles at hand (I should have paid attention to the rifles they were holding). But basically speaking, we take the title of Chupacabras: Dark Seas away and we have a bunch of drug traffickers chasing one of their rivals throughout the jungle.
Anyway, from the beginning of the scene, these supposed group of Latinos act mean, cold and ruthless. And, the doctor himself is so cold blooded and callous individual with his squad – that at one point - he orders the team to abandon one of the members falling behind from a serious foot injury (it gave me the impression that he was leaving him behind for the Chupacabras).
But as the movie unfolds, it gets better. This Doctor Peňa smuggles the bloodthirsty Chupacabras on board a cruise ship named the Regent Queen commanded by a Captain Randolph (John Rhys-Davies) who firmly refers to Peňa as the “bastard.â€
The unexpected happened, the “alien†like indestructible creature breaks loose and makes a “smorgasbord out of the passengers and crew.†And, when Navy Seals are called to hunt the Chupacabras, people are ordered to evacuate the ship – while Doctor Peňa makes every attempt to interfere with the operation by cramming fire extinguishers between the ship’s vault doors.
Here comes my second most disheartening scene, the doctor is so evil minded that he devises the most evil idea of the 21st Century. Because he is an expert at capturing the ferocious beast, he chooses to “kidnap the Captain’s daughter Jenny (Chelan Simmons) and use her as the bait and justifiable sacrifice for the Chupacabras.â€
Wow, what a brilliant idea – I certainly want to nominate the writers, producers and actors for a Latino Heritage Academy Award – better yet -just deliver the award to them.
My dear friends and colleagues, I think that you get my point. But let me tell you why I am writing this article. When I first saw the movie, I was so upset that I wrote an e-mail to as many colleagues as possible because I wanted to share my perception. I wrote to colleagues in Arizona, Brazil, California, Chicago, Florida, Georgia, New Jersey, New York, Mexico, Texas, and Puerto Rico. And in the end, I got two interesting responses. One advised me to “pick your battles carefully,†and the other suggested for me to “turn off the television,†- and of course - the rest was just “silent treatment.â€
Something that you should know about me is that I love to be advised and getting a response from these individuals translated into a ton of gold because they took the time to share their opinion –even if it differed from mine. On the other hand, silence is something that makes me feel uneasy - and at this point - I rather keep the opinion to myself.
But nevertheless, about the two opinions I received from my colleagues, I thought about it and I decided to “go ahead and pick my battle†and “not to turn off the television.†I rather point all Latinos and the public to the television programs so they can decide for themselves what not to endorse or sponsor.
Taking into consideration the wisdom of one my colleagues at the Pennsylvania Statewide Latino Conference in Harrisburg, Mr. Angel Medina said “it’s time to stop talking about the drop out rate and do something about it. â€I like it and I whole heartily agree.†We need to do a lot more than watch the programs portraying us negatively. We need to bring it to the attention of the creators and those who monitor the films so they know how we feel. And if you think that they will not listen, then think twice because you already have lost the battle. And if we don’t try – how do we know that someone will not listen?
In a review by a Matt Paprocki, he criticized the Chupacabras: dark Seas as the type of movie reviewers hate to review because it is awful. I am not a critic and will not pretend to be one either. But my gut feeling is that “awful†is a gentle way to describe this movie. If the authors had added a Latino (a) Co Captain, passengers, crew members and key Navy Seals, maybe I would have not felt so critical because then I could see the equity in the film.
But enough said, don’t take my word for it – see it and tell me how you feel. And if it bothers you the way it bothers me, why not direct your letters to the Director at John Shippard jshepp@gte.net, the Sci-Fi Channel and the FCC as follows:
Sci-Fi : * Bonnie Hammer, President, Sci-Fi Channel (e-mail: bhammer@usanetworks.com)
* Mark Stern, Head of Programming (e-mail: mark.stern@unistudios.com)
* Michael Jackson, Chairman and CEO (e-mail: michael.jackson@unistudios.com)
Address: The Sci-Fi Channel, USA Networks, 1230 Avenue of the Americas,
New York, NY 10020-1215
Switchboard: 212 413-5000
Programming: 212 413-5821
Fax: 212 413-6522
Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
* Kevin J. Martin, Chairman of FCC (e-mail: KJMWEB@fcc.gov)
Address: Federal Communications Commission, 445 12th Street, SW,
Washington, D.C. 20554
Phone: 1-866-225-5322
Fax: 1-866-418-0232
Website: http://www.fcc.gov
Note: Immensely supported by HispanicVista.com and the Hispanic Magazine, played a major role in the campaign against the NBC Movie episodes the “Kingpin†- as the Philadelphia Chair for the NHMC, actively participated in the boycott against the major networks for the under representation of Latinos in the Media (in collaboration with Dr. George Gerbner - professor of Communications and best known for his research regarding the effects of television violence) and now serves as the Philadelphia Chair of the National Association of Latino Independent Producers. E-mail: Vince_jgv@hotmail.com. Phone: 215 917-2291.
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