Two Percent
Two Percent
At a press conference on October 4, President Bush argued that he was the right person to bridge the racial divide in America:
You address the racial divide in a variety of ways. And, obviously, the tone matters from leadership. It matters what leaders say. It matters that somebody, first of all, understands there’s a problem and is willing to talk about it. And I will continue to do so as the President.
Apparently, it isn’t working so well. A new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll finds that just 2 percent of African-Americans approve of his leadership. NBC’s Tim Russert — who called the number “a dramatic setback” — looked into it, and he could not “find a pollster who can remember any President ever getting just 2 percent approval from African-Americans.”
To be fair, the margin of error on the poll is 3.4%. So Bush’s actual approval among African Americans could be anywhere from -1.4% to 5.4%.
Transcript below:
RUSSERT: And Matt, the most astounding number in this: 2 percent – just 2 percent – of African-Americans give George Bush a positive rating for his performance as President. The memories of Katrina very much in their minds.
LAUER: Is that what this is all about? I mean, obviously that is just a startling number, 2 percent of African-Americans. Is this all about the aftermath of Katrina?
RUSSERT: Well, the imagery of that along with the economy and fuel prices and Iraq, but that event, Matt, really did have a searing effect. George Bush and the Republican Party has tried very hard to reach out to African-American voters, but this is a very dramatic setback. I cannot find a pollster who can remember any President ever getting just 2 percent approval from African-Americans.
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Actually, that 2% approval rating is getting pretty close to the number of the collective whole who approve of his leadership.
October 13th, 2005 at 10:38 amA quick correction, Judd — that margin of error you cite is for the -entire- sample. The black voters subsample has a much larger margin of error since it is a smaller sample.
October 13th, 2005 at 10:44 amDid anyone ever take a poll regarding African-American support of someone like Strom Thurmond or George Wallace? I wonder if even they were more popular than George Bush.
October 13th, 2005 at 10:52 amYou’re totally right Neil. I intented the margin of error quip as more tongue-in-cheek than a serious peice of analysis.
October 13th, 2005 at 10:55 amThis just goes to show how intelligent the African American community really is. The rest of the American population seems to be slowly catching up.
October 13th, 2005 at 10:55 amGotta say it…
KANYE WEST WAS RIGHT!!!
October 13th, 2005 at 10:57 amBetter to say:
“Black People don’t care about George Bush.”
On the other hand, George has finally gotten a 100% on at least one thing. Including the MOE, could be he has 100% of black folks disapproving of his job. Way to go, Georgie.
My take on the latest from Howard Fineman,
October 13th, 2005 at 11:12 amBush’s friends don’t like him anymore
Presidents who owned slaves had a better approval rating than that.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:16 amWere they also asked their opinion of Robert “Sheets” Byrd? I would be interested to hear what they think of him.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:16 amIt’s still too high.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:19 am#9 – A little off topic, don’t you think? Actually, Byrd probably comes out way ahead of Georgie on this one. People respect a man who admits his mistakes.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:23 am… Re: #8 – Oooh , fade ! I believe that classifies as the classic ‘ burn ‘ , and I’m lovin’ it , too ! … ;)
October 13th, 2005 at 11:30 am2% is stunningly bad. i knew this guy has his haters (i’m exhibit #1), but 2%? are you kidding me? and the A-A population doesn’t just seem indifferent; they seem ANGRY. perhaps this anger will drive more of them to vote, and clean out this corrupt, uncaring, unconcerned-with-A-A Congress.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:32 amSo… rather than comment on Bush’s bad ratings you prefer to change topics and talk about some other guy? We’re not saying all Dems are loved by all types of people. There are a few bad apples. This post wasn’t about how certain ethnic groups hate all Republicans, it was about how they hate G.W.Bush!
October 13th, 2005 at 11:33 amFor more on the failed outreach to the African-American community by President Bush and the GOP, see:
- “Bush, Race and State of the Union”
- “African-Americans and the Bush Social Security Plan”
October 13th, 2005 at 11:34 amEbola has a higher approval rating than 2%.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:34 amDon’t get too excited TPers — a little perspective is in order. Here are the low approval ratings for the last seven presidents:
*Johnson: 35%
*Nixon: 24%
*Ford: 37%
*Carter: 28%
*Reagan: 35%
*Bush I: 29%
*Clinton: 37%
So every president since 1963 has had approval ratings, at one time or another during his administration, at least five points lower than Bush’s current nadir.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:37 amAnd that is ALL he will do… talk about it. He’s just trying to show Rove that he learned something: “It matters what leaders say.” G.W., you are an ignorant, lying, corrupt, greedy hypocrite. That statement alone is a lie: it matters what leaders DO, not what they say. The words are propoganda. Actions speak for themselves.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:43 am#17 But the topic is not his overall approval rating. It’s the African American approval rating. What are their numbers on that, if you want to compare?
October 13th, 2005 at 11:49 amClinton’s approval rating WHILE BEING IMPEACHED was still 67%
October 13th, 2005 at 11:49 amCC,
October 13th, 2005 at 11:55 amThe important number is that of an second termer in his 5th year. I believe that’s a record.
Yeah, it was 2 PEOPLE.
Clarence Thomas and Armstrong Williams.
I want to know how many WHITE people support him…
October 13th, 2005 at 11:56 amAs a Five Percenter, I hope they will not steal our moniker and name themselves the Two Percenters.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:04 pmhis belated response to Hurricane Katrina and his repeated snubbing of NAACP invitations aren’t helping him any…
October 13th, 2005 at 12:10 pmThat margin of error has to be 40 or above to react to other than with “ouch!”
October 13th, 2005 at 12:26 pmHopefully, African-Americans are looking at the entire RepubliKLAN Party in the same light that they are seeing ChickenGeorge. Bush went golfing while people were dying in NO.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:26 pm2% is high. Ronald Reagan began his campaign for the presidency in Philadelphia,Miss. George Bush Sr. gave us the Willie Horton ads.Junior went to Bob Jones University. What Black could support such atrocious Republicans activity?
October 13th, 2005 at 12:30 pm-1.4 sound correct.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:32 pmKeep trying trolls, your desperation is utterly entertaining. No more straws yet you still grasp. The trouble is, this country has been raped and there is no enjoyment in watching us deteriorate to such all time lows.
Look neocon trolls what you ahve done. And as much as you just can’t help it, this is your own doing. Whoever voted for these people should be ashamed of yourselves.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:32 pmFrankly, there is a certain percentage of any population that holds unusual beliefs – flat earthers, etc.
There would be a certain percentage of any population that would not realize that there is a distinction between Bush 41 and Bush 43, for example, or who might interpret the question as being whether they approved of shubbery.
When you get to 2%, you are well within that ballpark
October 13th, 2005 at 12:36 pm“So Bush’s actual approval among African Americans could be anywhere from -1.4% to 5.4%.”
So, how does any group have -1.4%? Is Bush so disliked in the African American community that some dead guys actually came back and gave their opinion? Or perhaps 0% is the real bottom line.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:36 pmI’d gladly suffer through ebola if it would get these religious zealots out of DC. I am offended by this admins decisions being based on religion, specifically christianity.
They are disregarding our founding fathers and the constitution. Shameful greedy beasts.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:37 pmIs that his fault or theirs?
October 13th, 2005 at 12:38 pmBoy does it feel good to be black!!!!
October 13th, 2005 at 12:42 pmThose 2% of black Americans who approve of Bush must be: 1.) Condosleaza, 2.) Armstrong Williams.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:42 pmBlack Americans aren’t stupid.
The recognize a fraud and a liar when they seen one and Bush fits the bill perfectly.
Katrina and the Feds response was nothing short of genocide against a city, New Orleans, that’s 70% African-American.
Bush and his gang of goon will never recover credibility with black people — nor should he.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:45 pmClinton was 40 percent even when the media was tearing his head off on a daily basis(no pun intended). Some polls have had bush at 36 percent overall, with more than 2/3 of the independant respondants dissaproving of bush, and 17 percent of liberals approving him. 2 percent with about 15 to 20 percent of the United States screams one thing at me: Lame Duck. This should be a talking point, people, and this administartions’s bungling should win us seats BIG TIME in 06. Say it with me now: George Bush+ Lame Duck.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:51 pmNot a surprising number since the right came out and admitted not only that they have been racist, but that they utilized that in their strategy: (excerpt)
” Mehlman (Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman)told the NAACP that Republican leaders had tried over the past 40 years “to benefit politically from racial polarization.”
October 13th, 2005 at 12:52 pmNow that Bush has completely lost the Black vote, what can he do to alienate other groups that helped get him elected?
Perhaps he should outlaw NASCAR to encourage fuel economy or have an affair with a Catholic nun.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:55 pmWell, well, well…..Black is beautiful and now it is smart. Glad to see that there is a group that sees through the administration and understands the hate and deceit. But then no one has asked me and I am in favor of impeaching them all.
Big question: What are we going to do about it? How much more will the neocons get away with? New Orleans is just the beginning for “eminent domain.” Or was Florida?
October 13th, 2005 at 12:56 pmYet another poll here GWB is doing well…what I don’t understand is WHY is Clinton’s name always brought up? Even at his lowest he was still better than GW! That’s past history anyway! If that’s how it’s done though, should we start comparing GW to Nixon? If so, Nixon was a lightweight compared to the current dictators in office!
October 13th, 2005 at 12:57 pmoops…ISN’T doing well…sorry
October 13th, 2005 at 12:58 pmRussert says Bush and the Repbulicans have reached out to African-Americans. BS!!!! They say they have, but minority and poor people know they are much worse off under the Bush regime. Name one thing Bush has done that has had a positive effect for minority people.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:01 pmAccording to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, Bush’s approval rating is now 39%. However, the most significant finding is that 48% want a Democrat-controlled Congress vs. 39% who favor RepubliKKKans.
“For the first time in the poll, Bush’s approval rating has sunk below 40 percent, while the percentage believing the country is heading in the right direction has dipped below 30 percent. In addition, a sizable plurality prefers a Democratic-controlled Congress, and just 29 percent think Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers is qualified to serve on the nation’s highest court.”
“In addition, with 13 months until the 2006 congressional elections, 48 percent say they prefer a Democratic-controlled Congress, compared with 39 percent who want the Republicans to control Capitol Hill. In fact, that nine-point difference is the largest margin between the parties in the 11 years the NBC/Journal poll has been tracking this question.”
October 13th, 2005 at 1:03 pmMaybe more macho posturing and fake swagger would help.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:03 pmIt shouldn’t even be two percent. It should be zero percent. Less than zero if that was possible. They suppress the black vote in Florida in 2000 and again in Ohio in 2004. Then Katrina exposed the Bushies for what they really are. It’s nothing like closet racist getting the curtain pulled away. Their true colors came right out for all to see. Damn, even George Wallace could get better than two percent. LOL.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:04 pmBut Judd! You still used the 3.4% margin of error on the Al Franken show even though the real margin is slightly higher because of the sample size!
Don’t get me wrong, I’m as big a fan of the ThinkProgress as anybody but come on!
October 13th, 2005 at 1:11 pmand i do mean SLIGHTLY higher
October 13th, 2005 at 1:12 pmRe: comment #17:
Clinton’s 36% approval was only three months into his presidency, 5/26 – 27/93, and was a Yank/Time/CNN poll, according to http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/cgi-bin/hsrun.exe/Roperweb/PresJob/PresJob.htx;start=HS_index
Bottom line, go ahead and get excited, TP’ers; no one has lost it so badly this early as Crawford’s village idiot.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:17 pm[...] They were kind enough to share the results of a recent poll showing a 2% approval rating of Bush by African-Americans. No, that’s not a typo. [...]
October 13th, 2005 at 1:18 pmGO TP!
October 13th, 2005 at 1:18 pmPeople – calm down. The second Republicans highlight the Democratic plan to impeach the President, your plan to take Congress back is sunk. People want solutions, not lies and propoganda. They want leaders – not morons who preach hate against conservatives. I wish it were so, but when the alternative is having people like Russert and Katie Couric in charge, America will go with the Republicans…. again…
October 13th, 2005 at 1:18 pm2%? That high?!
Mark Weaver: name one thing Shrub,Inc. has done for anyone but corporate Amerika and the wealthy.
Blacks have a well-developed bullshit meter from centuries of being on the receiving end of so much crap.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:21 pmComparing these bunch of wackos to the Nixon Administration doesn’t work. Tricky Dick was a sleeze bag of the highest order but if you look at his record on the environment and the economy he looks like a tree-hugging liberal compared to BushCo Inc.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:23 pmRyan – you’re like a DOG – you always take the bait!!! Thank you for reminding me why Republicans will always be better than liberals.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:31 pm“Electoral Mandate” – she go POOF!
October 13th, 2005 at 1:32 pmIf we want to talk about Freedom, that was taken away from this land when the Indian’s property was confiscated by the white man, before the business world even existed. My history has limits, but I know what morality is. And the way this country was created throughout time, (slavery, war) many immoral political morons had power, and still, they sit on top of the world til this day…
October 13th, 2005 at 1:33 pmGosh gee whillikers! Tim Russert’s surprised that only 2% of African-Americans support Bush. Well, being an African-American myself,I’d have to ask myself: What kind of cave has Little Russert and Dickless Cheney been hiding?
If Mr. Russert claims to be so smart, why hasn’t he read about the history of Republicans and their record
with Blacks from the last half of the 20th Century to this day?
Kanye West made his point and the rest of the news media should understand that.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:34 pmWho cares about African American votes?! Hispanics! Who are working in New Orleans? Hispanics!
Beleive me! Those hard core catholics won’t vote for Hillary because she is a woman.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:36 pmWait until the folks see their natural gas bills this winter. I live in Louisiana, and much of the industry that supplies 50% of US domestic gas production is crippled.
Clinton didn’t do much about fuel efficiency during his term either. I think that this was one failing of his. But the chickens are going to come home to roost under Bush’s watch. Something Bush surely should have forseen, so I don’t feel sorry for him.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:38 pmHe probably garnered the 2% by buying off A-Americans in LA with fema food.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:41 pmIt seems this country has polarized. There are those who detest the born of privelege, war mongering, neoconservative, chickenhawks and what they have done to this country and those who would support them under any circumstances. I think the day may come, and it may not be long, when the bitching stops.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:41 pmI am sure some of them have gotten those horrible and patently phony racist spam e-mails accusing the evacuees of rude behavior and criminal conduct and just being the stereotypical examplar of racism.
There were too many people who believed the most horrible things without a shred of evidence.
As someone said, crackers and racists looked at New Orleans and saw criminals and thugs and that confirmed their most vile suspicions…Blacks and reasonable people saw Americans and little children and grandparents and friends and family in the most dire of human conditions and wept and prayed that something would get done.
It is still such a horror and it is the shame of this once great nation.
-G
October 13th, 2005 at 1:42 pmAnd 20% of blacks think AIDS is a plot by a Jewish doctor to commit genocide. So?
And, yeah, Judd is playing with statistics and saying “aw, I’m just kidding.”
What a propganda sheet this forum is. Sheesh.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:43 pmConcerned conservative, you are one desperate son of a bitch. Try not to bullshit so much, it will serve you better in life.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:43 pm#67
It’s sad to recognize, but I think that the powers that be in New Orleans left those people there so the wouldn’t loose their votes.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:44 pmThese numbers shouldn’t come as a shock, but now that we’ve seen them, I’m beginning to wonder how it will play here in MD where a conservative Repulbican African-American, Lt. Gov. Mike Steele, is going to run for Senate against white Rep. Ben Cardin of Baltimore. The Steele people already had Rove here a few months ago doing a fundraiser for Steele, and with these approval ratings for Bush (and I imagine, by extension to the Republican Party) – it’s going to shape up to be an interesting race.
Cardin for Senate!
October 13th, 2005 at 1:45 pmIt is gratifying to read that so many other African Americans (and other Americans) hold Mr. Bush in such low regard.
Annie B.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:46 pmI’m white, but I find it hard to beleive that 2% of our African Americans are this stupid.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:46 pmJust what in the hell did you guys expect from a former cocaine sniffing – drunk driving- deserter from the National Guard. INTEGRITY?…Wake up and smell the coffee America.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:46 pm“Beleive me! Those hard core catholics won’t vote for Hillary because she is a woman.”
Comment by CrazyMexican — October 13, 2005 @ 1:36 pm
How many of the soldiers killed in Iraq are Hispanic?
How many more Hispanics do you think will be killed in action before the next election? Common sense would indicate A FEW Hispanics might not appreciate their kids being killed for a lie (and they vote also). Hang your hopes on Catholics, but the parents of the dead will have a much bigger impact politically in their respective communities.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:46 pmAnd this is after five years of pro-Bush cheerleading by the mainstream media! What if the media had been bashing him the way they did Clinton?
October 13th, 2005 at 1:47 pm-1.4%?? Even unborn African-Americans hate Bush!
October 13th, 2005 at 1:51 pmNED has his head up his ass again….
October 13th, 2005 at 1:53 pmHAHAH YOU BITCHES! LOSERS!
October 13th, 2005 at 1:54 pm2% why is anyone surprised. His core belief is from his parent. Remember his mother’s comment at the superdome in Texas? It was heard around the world.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:57 pmLiberals Have Screwed Up This Country
Get a job, Bernard Goldberg.
Try taking orders at McDonalds. Your writing abilities are commensurate with that level of difficulty.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:57 pmRegarding “Concerned Conservative’s” comments about how “every president since 1963 has had approval ratings, at one time or another during his administration, at least five points lower than Bush’s current nadir,” why is it these Bush-lovers ALWAYS try to detract from this dangerous, out-of-control “president’s” shortcomings by continually pointing the finger at someone else. It’s not what happened in the past that we care about people, it is what is happening now that matters. And what is happening now, due 100% to this corrupt administration and the Republican party in general, has put this country in a downward spiral that we may never recover from. Bush is ruining this country, plain and simple. Presidents of the past may have had low approval ratings at one time or another in their terms, but they did not run our country into the ground as Bush has done.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:59 pmSo every president since 1963 has had approval ratings, at one time or another during his administration, at least five points lower than Bush’s current nadir.
Comment by Concerned Conservative
Get a job.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:59 pm“The second Republicans highlight the Democratic plan to impeach the President, your plan to take Congress back is sunk. ”
Actually as a liberal/progressive I do not think it’s a good idea to impeach Bush.
1). If Bush is impeached, however deserving he may be, what we will get is President Cheney. I for one do not want a President Cheney for the good of the country. It’s a good prescription for class war of the shooting kind.
2). Bush provides a great deal more fodder for derision than Cheney. Cheney is simply evil, not evil and laughable.
3). I don’t know how many people you would have to serially impeach in this country to get to a leader who might be halfway acceptable, but I’m sure I wouldn’t like the number.
4). As far as a Democratic Congress is concerned, the most optimal strategy would be to launch a massive detailed plan to correct all the failures of this administration like a liberal version of Gingrich’s Contract On America about 20 days before voting begins.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:00 pmRe: George Wallace
Wallace renounced his racist past in the 70’s and ran for governor as a democratic populist (which he was back in the 50’s, until he lost a race for being “out-segged”). At that point he received widespread black support.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:04 pmWe would have sent flowers, but we had other priorities. We are celebrating.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:06 pmDon’t be crazy! You will all die if you don’t love Bush! Terrists will kill you. Love Dear Leader now!
October 13th, 2005 at 2:09 pmI think the real question that begs to be asked here is…
“Who the #$%@&! are the 2% of blacks who think that Bush is doing a good job??!”
October 13th, 2005 at 2:10 pmNortheast Dilemma. The word is spelled propaganda, not “propoganda”. If you don’t know how to spell the word, at least try using spell check. It is not that difficult to do. No wonder you Bush supporters are so easily duped. You really need to work on your vocabulary lessons. In the future, stick with words you know, like “nucular”, as the President does (that is sarcasm, by the way – you can look up its meaning). You don’t want to overtax your brain nor show the public the success No Child Left Behind (again, sarcasm). On the other hand, maybe you ARE educated enough to garner a Supreme Court appointment.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:10 pmHow do we get a progressive agenda done today?
Arrest and execute all traitorous neo-conservative wingnuts.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:12 pm# 62 Crazy Mexican I am a Catholic and a woman. I would vote for Hillary. You need to get a new life in another country. Maybe Mexica!!!
October 13th, 2005 at 2:14 pm“Who the #$%@&! are the 2% of blacks who think that Bush is doing a good job??!â€
thats what i wanna know!
October 13th, 2005 at 2:16 pm“Who the #$%@&! are the 2% of blacks who think that Bush is doing a good job??!â€
Comment by backlash 2006
Condi White As Rice, Clarence, “Long Dong Silver and There’s a Pubic Hair in My Coke” Thomas, Armstrong “Pre$$ Pimp” Williams, Walter “Plantation life is like a Picnic and I fought for the South” Williams, The list goes on…
October 13th, 2005 at 2:17 pmBush wants a genocidal cleansing of not only the middle east, he wants control over our country.
He could care less if any of our katrina victims have a home again. If NOLA was to be rebuilt it will be done so by Halliburton and the rich people will take control of it all. The poor will be living in the FEMA trailer parks.
Hell yes Kanye was right! And more people need to stand up and keep reminding everyone of Bush’s racist crap.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:21 pmWho cares about African American votes?! Hispanics! Who are working in New Orleans? Hispanics!
Beleive me! Those hard core catholics won’t vote for Hillary because she is a woman.
Comment by CrazyMexican
No one invited you. In fact, we went to war to kick your crazy beaner ass outta Texas. Blacks were invited here, in chains, so they get to speak. You get to moow the lawn, do the laundry and the dishes.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:21 pmWingnut I have to laugh at that one NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD LOVE OLD BUSHIE. LET ME THROW UP ON THAT STATEMENT.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:22 pmCondi doesn’t care. Remember what she said. She wasn’t effected by the civil rights movement. She was shoe shopping on the 3rd day after katrina hit. The only reason she flew back to DC was because some woman called her out on the street about her behavior.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:24 pmThe second Republicans highlight the Democratic plan to impeach the President, your plan to take Congress back is sunk.
Ooooookay, let’s pretend just for the sake of argument that impeaching Bush really is the Congressional Democrats’ plan.
So if the Congressional representatives from one party attempt to impeach a sitting President from the other party, the first party will necessarily lose control of Congress in the next election? Tell us more, Neddy. Perhaps you could back this claim up with historical example from, say, oh, about seven years ago.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:26 pmDavy Crockett needs to get his ass down to the recruitment center pronto. They are taking them now up to the age of 42. Mental and Intelligence issues? No problem. As long as you can hold a gun and shoot they will take you.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:27 pmPro war mongers, racist bastards like you need to go on over to Iraq and get yourselves shot. I bet a trip over to Baghdad would give you a whole new point of view you ignorant tripe.
If all African Americans were counted it would be 1/2 per cent, all the blacks he has paid. I’m 58 years old and what I saw was like the hangings in the south were leaders watched as blacks were hurt and killed. He said he was born again well he doesn’t act like a christen.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:27 pmIMHO, if the A-A community harbored any thought that Bush just might be on their side, those notions were dashed in the wake of Katrina. The Emperor has been seen for the fraud he is – he is not interested in minorities or their problems, nor in the poor, nor the sick, nor the elderly – in short, he cares only for what benefits him, his robber-baron friends, and his campaign donors.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:27 pm“I told you so.” I went door-to-door for John Kerry so I wouldn’t feel like those of you who did nothing feel right now ‘duped’. By the way, by going door to door I ran into some Evangelicals that basically pegged Bush as the second coming of Christ and Kerry the devil incarnate. There has got to be some kind of Evangelical underground from the Republican party to the pulpit.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:30 pmThe second Republicans highlight the Democratic plan to impeach the President, your plan to take Congress back is sunk
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The demo’s don’t care! They majority of them just keep on voting in favor of what Bush wants. They are “yes people” and keep on funding the war. Don’t count on the demos to do their jobs!
October 13th, 2005 at 2:30 pmBlack Americans have Bush and his racist, sexist, fascist cons figured out. I’d like to see that 2% carry over to all other Americans. Bush hides behind and uses anything that will play into people’s weaknesses or emotions; religion, the flag, patriotism/war. If you take a closer look, you’ll see a power-hungry, cheating, lying, self-centered, and very manipulative white collar sociopath. If 100% of the population wanted him impeached, he wouldn’t care. He and his followers have a definite agenda and won’t let anyone stand in their way. I’ll never forgot part of Bush’s comments he said with that dumb-looking smirk and smart-ass look, in the movie Fahrenheit 911: “There’s two kinds of people in this world: the “haves” and the “have nots.” We now live in a fascist society. For more info, check out criminals and liars.com and the movie “Corporation.” To be proactive, log on to moveon.org and naral.org
October 13th, 2005 at 2:31 pmI don’t know anything about polling, but Froomkin mentions that the polling sample included 87 African Americans. 2% is a rounded approximation of two of them. And yet even 2% sounds better than, “We asked around 100 black people what they thought of President Bush. Only two approved of his performance.”
October 13th, 2005 at 2:32 pmThey want leaders who preach hate against conservatives.
Correctamundo!
October 13th, 2005 at 2:39 pm“The demo’s don’t care! They majority of them just keep on voting in favor of what Bush wants. They are “yes people†and keep on funding the war. Don’t count on the demos to do their jobs!
Comment by Starla ”
Starla – that’s bullshit. I guess you missed that video last week where the democrats were all standing yelling ’shame shame’ on the floor of the congress as the republicans once again violated house rules to produce a non-democratic vote on a bill…
Get a clue! You just play into the hands of the propaganda morons with this kind of bullshit!
October 13th, 2005 at 2:42 pmIf one of the must powerful and commanding Black man or any man for that matter(Colling Powell a 5 STAR GENERAL) in the 21st century…openly tells you…we(the U.S.A) had a mistake,and leave your side. I feel you should listen. And that’s just ONE of many reasons me as a BLACK MAN in the U.S don’t approve of Mr. George Bush!!!
October 13th, 2005 at 2:43 pmYo! Fonzi,
No one needs to preach hate against conservatives, man. Everyone hates them already.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:43 pm“George Bush and the Republican Party has tried very hard to reach out to African-American voters…”
“Reach out”? More like “fool”. The only successful war the Republicans and Bush have prosecuted has been against poor and minority Americans. Saying to the black community, “Vote for me, I’m your friend,” while actively working to pepetualize its underclass status is not reaching out; it is a deliberate campaign of deceit, and black America has seen through it. Yes, the Administration has tried very hard, but for Russert to equate a (taxpayer-funded) P.R. campaign to real engagement is absurd.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:44 pm2%??!! 2 f’in %??!! How the hell do you get into office with 2% of anything???
This has got to be frying Roves ass and don’t be surprised if we see these dickweeds reachin’ out to the peeps, lookin for support from hmmm…50 cent or somebody. Probably have the twins buy some bling.
Imagine bubbleboy with his pants down around his ass like a homey.
Sorry, if I’m sounding a little sterotypical. That’s not the point. These political whores know no boundaries and simply said with their patent pandering to the evangelical vote now sastisfied with the nomination of Harriet Savemejesus Miers, you can bet that Melhman, will soon re-invent himself as a brother.
Or sister.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:44 pmIn answer to Mark Walker’s (#45) challenge:
Name one thing Bush has done that has had a positive effect for minority people.
Well… the wealthiest 10% of the nations richest 1% sure seem to be enjoying Bush’s tax cuts…. and if they’re not a minority… I don’t know who is.
Jailtime for Bush/Cheney ‘06
October 13th, 2005 at 2:47 pmFive or six legitimate articles of impeachment, each just as or more serious than Nixon’s, have already been drawn up. Democrats need to take Congress to make that happen. If they do, it will happen.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:52 pmsurferhugh – ironically fiscal irresponsibility is the greatest modern trend of republicanism.
Specifically, the list measures increases in discretionary spending over five successive budgets, adjusted for inflation.
Here are the numbers …
LBJ: 25.2%
October 13th, 2005 at 2:55 pmNixon: -16.5%
Reagan: 11.9%
Clinton: -8.2%
Bush: 35.2%
I am hoping that American’s will take a good look at several media sources, not just bloggers, and see what really has been going on in this country. The numbers, and our reputation globally, show that this administration is a failure.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:56 pmI am quite surprised to read all the unpleasantness going on from both sides in these comments. Isn’t there room for constructive discussion here? You can disagree with someone without insulting them personally surely.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:59 pmRussert asserts that Democrats have no ideas/solutions….sounds very ‘talking-point’ to me.
Falls under liberals are tax and spend and Democrats are weak on defense.
Hopefully, even with the neutered media repeating it this will not take hold in the nation’s lexicon
October 13th, 2005 at 2:59 pmDon’t be a wimp, Chachi. Never enough hate for conservasquares.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:01 pmI am quite surprised to read all the unpleasantness going on from both sides in these comments. Isn’t there room for constructive discussion here? You can disagree with someone without insulting them personally surely.
Comment by katherine
We’s rather shoot them, but that’s only legal in Florida so far.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:03 pmComment by Ryan Neat — October 13, 2005 @ 2:55 pm
Hey Ryan, you left out the best part of chimpboys discretionary spending pattern and his legacy. The below is lifted off a right wing blog…The are eating their own.
How about we just sit back and watch a Republican Party implode. “Party like it’s 1999!!!”
LBJ: 25.2%
Nixon: -16.5%
Reagan: 11.9%
Clinton: -8.2%
Bush: 35.2%
I asked the other day why we shouldn’t consider Bush a RINO. I ask again, when the man spends more than the architect of the Great Society welfare state, how in the hell can anyone actually think the man is a conservative? And why should I, as a believer in strict fiscal conservatism, continue to support the man?
It’s been said that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Well, I can’t think of a better illustration of that maxim than the Republican-controlled US government the past five years. They took a historic chance to implement so many lasting reforms and pissed it away. Disgraceful.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:05 pmAs bad as things were/are in the Gulf coast in and around N.O., there is one good thing that has come out of all of this, and although it won’t make anyone feel beter about the situation, it is that through all this misery, it has shown just exactly how currupt our leaders are! Not that some of us hadn’t already seen it, but now not only all Americans can see, but the WHOLE world can see. If it hadn’t been for katrina, it wouldn’t be so visable now. Maybe by the time this all settles down, we will have better leaders, or at least those who are smart enough to hide there corruption better.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:05 pmThe question is what was the percentage who approved of his leadership before Katrina? I don’t think it’s far off.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:08 pmdave,
Bush is what some economists call a corporate marxist. Instead of a welfare state for the poor – it’s a welfare state for the rich. No bid contracts, no accountability for the money – it’s the welfare queen with ACTUAL gold…
October 13th, 2005 at 3:08 pmI am quite surprised to read all the unpleasantness going on from both sides in these comments. Isn’t there room for constructive discussion here? You can disagree with someone without insulting them personally surely.
Comment by katherine
The right has been preaching hate for… eternity. That’s what they do, the left being it’s primary target. Go to Free Republic, Little Green Footballs, a whole host of other sites where they laugh about Rachel Corrie being flattened by a bulldozer and even sell t-shirts and mugs commemorating the event, “Want some syrup with that pancake?” If you want to turn the other cheek, like a real Christian, fine. If you want to preach to someone about it, tell it to George Bush, “The Uniter” and the GOP who exploit it and encourages it. Otherwise, STFU and get out of the way. There is a war going on for the heart and soul of this country and middle of the road hog idiots like you will end up being collateral damage.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:11 pmRussert asserts that Democrats have no ideas/solutions….sounds very ‘talking-point’ to me.
As if Russert could possibly remain unbiased in an opinion regarding a Democratic Plan…And who the hell needs a plan when the Republican Party has a majority??
Nope, I say “rope a dope” and let these horses asses fall in their own excrement.
We’ll provide the sanitation services in 2008 and banish these self righteous neandrathals to the political wilderness for another 30 years.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:13 pmThis seems to prove that compared with the rest of the population, blacks are excellent judges of character.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:13 pmI am quite surprised to read all the unpleasantness going on from both sides in these comments. Isn’t there room for constructive discussion here? You can disagree with someone without insulting them personally surely.
There are disagreements, and there are disagreements. You might think that the other side means well but is mistaken in their approach, or you might think that they are crooks who are out to enrich themselves and don’t care what happens to the rest of the country in the process.
In the former case, there is room for constructive discussion. Unfortunately, our disagreement with the Republicans falls into the second case.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:16 pmWell, I can’t think of a better illustration of that maxim than the Republican-controlled US government the past five years. They took a historic chance to implement so many lasting reforms and pissed it away. Disgraceful.
Comment by dave in mi
Sucker! You and idiots like you have been sold the same con game over and over again by the same class of crooks for almost 200 years now. It wouldn’t be America without dumbasses like you. You are the problem because you actually believe that “government” is the problem. I don’t pity morons like you. I laugh at you and relish the thought that you got what you deserve and you are stupid enough to buy it again. Conservatard clown. Next time you want to elect some con artists to “govern” that think government is the problem, just do us all a favor and shoot yourself first. No need to take us all down with you. Dumbass!
October 13th, 2005 at 3:20 pmRussert is a pumpkinhead. He should have another cocktail and STFU.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:22 pmGary Kleppe wrote:
But not the Democrats?
October 13th, 2005 at 3:24 pmHey Buckfush,
If you want to go after Exxon, get in line. Their court battle with the fishermen of the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Litigation is just now being scheduled for oral argument with the 9th circuit court of appeals.
Of course, they have taken over 10 years to get this far. And oh, and did I mention that it is has taken over six months just to schedule oral argument and they still haven’t scheduled it?
Check out the latest ODE magazine http://www.odemagazine.net It may not jib with all your beliefs, but every issue they have something about large corporate conglomorates and how everyday people are taking them on in small ways. What I would like to know is why this country has not taken farmers who are bankrupt, have them grow corn and soy. Offer huge incentives and loans for biodiesel engines or conversions, so that we can have a petroleum free economy. Brazil is doing it…why aren’t we….oh yeah, I forgot we are paying Haliburton to rebuild Iraq and the entire world, we couldn’t possibly finance something so forward focused.
I do believe that revolution starts at the grassroots and it’s time to be verbal about it. Anywhere, anytime.
Cheers,
October 13th, 2005 at 3:29 pmGAC
Liberal Blacks are just like all other they liberals, they can’t see 5 feet infront of their faces. They follow the crowd, listen to close minded people like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, or dare I say Michael Moore. Here are some facts that they should consider before voting.
1. Black homeownership is up 2% since Bush took office
2. Poverty spending is much higher in Bush budget than it ever was in Clinton’s. In fact in 1996 Clinton’s budget spent $191 Billion (or 12.2%) for the poor, in 2006 Bush’s budget has $368 Billion (14.6%) for the poor.
3. Educational spending for poor school districts is higher under Bush
4. Poverty rate at this point in the Clinton campaign was 13.7%, Bush stands at a smaller 12.7%.
Now, I ask you, with the FACTS can you still claim that Bush does nothing for the minority or the poor? How come you don’t hear people like the three that I already mentioned telling the crowds these facts? Oh, because there is no political gain in it for them if they make Bush look good. If they could use these leadership roles that they have assumed (not given), and speak the truth rather than lies, without a doubt it would be hire than 2%.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:30 pmRe Comment by Lesly:
Gary Kleppe wrote:
In the former case, there is room for constructive discussion. Unfortunately, our disagreement with the Republicans falls into the second case.
But not the Democrats?
Here we go again with yet another Republican pointing fingers at someone else to deflect attention from the true criminals here: Bush and company. Lesly, let’s stick with the facts here: Republicans are running the show now, no one will argue with that, and they are doing a disgraceful job of it. They are ruining this country. Let’s look at the true problem: Bush, George W. Quit the finger-pointing and the smoke-and-mirrors approach you Republicans are so fond of.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:32 pmComment by Ryan Neat — October 13, 2005 @ 3:08 pm
I believe in Karma and I pray that George Bush is really as stupid as he acts and looks. Because, if he is not, and he has manipulated the American public with his John Wayne Gordon Grecko SavemeJesus persona, hell will not have enough room.
Globally, this man has singlehandedly set our nation back, 50 years. He is responsible for the murder of ten’s of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians. He is guilty of exactly the same crimes that Saddam Hussein will be tried for. Understand that if nothing more.
A true christian, a true believer is humble, loving and most of all giving.
Nothing that this man nor his republican members at the trough has done in the last 5 years, demonstrates anything short of contempt for America. These men are not patriots, far from it. They are common criminals, felons and history will show, treasonist.
Our middle of the road friend, in an earlier post, pleads for compromise and respect between both parties.
It is not a “party” thing. It is an American thing and as demonstrated by our African American friends and patriots, these people (the bushco’s) deserve nothing more than our contempt.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:32 pmhi everyone, I am writing from Britain to draw attention to the fact that there are a growing number of Brits who are actively seeking closer political connections with our European allies and to distance ourselves from the USA. This is not reflected in the political will of Blair and Co who are widely despised for warmongering (and were voted back in -not by me-due to a lack of credible competition). I like Americans and would prefer to have my Country affiliated with America but under your neocon dictatorship (political, media, Congress etc.)it is becoming too dangerous. If you don’t sort out your leadership mess you will (long term) lose allies and I do not want to see this happen. Warmongers on both sides of the pond must be impeached.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:34 pmBut not the Democrats?
Well, maybe.
At least speaking personally, my problem with the Democrats is that many of them — particularly those in the leadership — don’t put up much of a fight to help the constituents they supposedly represent. Maybe this is because they’re just afraid, and maybe it’s because they’re bought and paid for. (In practice, I suppose it’s some of each.) In the former case, they can be worked with… maybe. In the latter case, there’s nothing to do but get them out of office and replace them with people who really are on our side.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:36 pmHmmmmmm??? 2%??? That high ????? Isn’t this the same ethnic group that is convinced OJ is “100% NOT guilty!”
October 13th, 2005 at 3:38 pmAren’t these the same folks who could have thwarted the CIA’s “evil drug infusion plan” by NOT buying?? Don’t many of thses same people think the greatest religious authority EVER is “REV” Jesse Jackson? Just asking!!
They took a historic chance to implement so many lasting reforms and pissed it away. Disgraceful.
Comment by dave in mi — October 13, 2005 @ 3:05 pm
“Lasting Reforms”? Like gutting Social Security with private accounts?
October 13th, 2005 at 3:43 pmAren’t these the same folks who could have thwarted the CIA’s “evil drug infusion plan†by NOT buying??
Well, you could have refused also. What’s you’re (addled)excuse?
October 13th, 2005 at 3:47 pm1. Black homeownership is up 2% since Bush took office
A whole 2% in 5 years? — AMAZING! That must account fot the 2% who approve of bush!
3. Educational spending for poor school districts is higher under Bush
Yes — and all those poor kids no longer have to go to the mall to get recruited into the military! They can join up at school while they’re eating lunch! And if they don’t, they have the convience of being harrassed at home!
4. Poverty rate at this point in the Clinton campaign was 13.7%, Bush stands at a smaller 12.7%.
I love this statistic. It’s my favorite. It’s so misleadingly Limbaughian…
Anyway, since all you dittoheads always come up with this statistic, I have a rebuttal all ready. You see, when clinton took office, poverty was slightly under 15%. Every year Clinton was in office, that rate went DOWN.
When bush took office, that rate was slightly below 12%. Every year he has been in office, that rate has gone UP.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:48 pmWho the f*%k cares about the “black approval”…most of them are just a few generations (in the GRAND scale of things) removed from slavery and lack general understanding of the real issues. In MOST cases…if given the oppertunity…they (blacks) would resort to animalistic
October 13th, 2005 at 3:54 pmbehavior. (See N.O. Superdome OR Houston Astrodome)So who realy cares what they think? The fact of the matter is the ones that “approve” of him are probably the only ones that have any type of education.
As someone who WANTED to help out at the Astrodome (I am from Houston) and make a difference I was thoroughly disappointed in the behavior and blatant disrespect being thrust toward us by the very people we were trying to help. A larger majority of the were black. Again…I will say it…WHO REALLY CARES what they think?
Mike….you are every bit the fat, ego driven, corrupt, liar that W is. I hold you no higher than I hold him….and thats LOW! May your plane crash over the deepest of oceans.
1. Black homeownership is up 2% since Bush took office
Response: Section 8 programs were introduced by HUD and released in the year 2000 (under Clinton) which enabled millions of our citizens, including African Americans to purchase their own home
2. Poverty spending is much higher in Bush budget than it ever was in Clinton’s. In fact in 1996 Clinton’s budget spent $191 Billion (or 12.2%) for the poor, in 2006 Bush’s budget has $368 Billion (14.6%) for the poor.
Response: 12.2% in 1996 was actually an increase over Bush41’s paltry 10.5 percent and as a matter of fact at the end of Clintons term spending had increased as a percentage of the budget to 15.7%
3. Educational spending for poor school districts is higher under Bush
Response: Bullshit..No Child Left Behind is closing schools ya clown. Particularly in inner city school districts
4. Poverty rate at this point in the Clinton campaign was 13.7%, Bush stands at a smaller 12.7%.
Response: You are so full of shit. The poverty rate at the end of 2000 was 7.4% and has climbed to almost twice that rate under Bush!!
F’off! It’s no wonder the African American community give him 2%. Christ, he’s lucky to get any!!
October 13th, 2005 at 3:54 pmDano- That’s the BEST you can do?? WEAK!! At least refute my assertion! Facts would help!!
October 13th, 2005 at 3:55 pmDon’t many of thses same people think the greatest religious authority EVER is “REV†Jesse Jackson?
Let’s see a cite where any African-American actually said something to that effect, Afro.
And why the quotes? Jackson is an ordained Baptist minister.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:56 pmI love these media people who are stuck in their own stunted short term memory. George Bush from the very start of his presidency IGNORED the Black community..remember that every time he was invited to speak to the NAACP he refused. The community does not forget that. So let’s stop thinking it’s JUST Katrina..or it’s Iraq..or the economy. Katrina simply put the lid on the coffin. It is the last straw.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:57 pm“Dano- That’s the BEST you can do?? WEAK!! At least refute my assertion! Facts would help!!
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
That’s a good question – why should anyone bother to refute anything you say, as it’s always self refuting? Mr. Wrong in Drag, we all know you’re just a propaganda windbag – and that your ‘biased’ postings are nothing but lies.
Here’s all the refuting anyone needs.
Mighty Windbag is a liar – anything he/she says is a lie – and that’s all that’s needed. He/She is a discredited Matt Drudge wanna be who can’t even get the dates right for when the Yachting industry collapsed – or the fact that BushI was the idiot who put in the sales tax that ’supposed’ collapsed it 18 months after it had already collapsed…
What an idiot drag queen!
October 13th, 2005 at 4:02 pmComment by Andy Gonzalez — October 13, 2005 @ 3:54 pm
I notice you said WANTED to help out, not helped out. These people were stipped of everything they owned, put on a 6 hour bus ride with what they could carry and dropped off ceremoniously at a huge f’in building you watch football in. Not the Hilton, by any stretch of the imagination. Think you might be a little shell shocked or a little pissed off after you’ve just pissed in a cup on a bus.
Ya moron. Honest to God. Unless you were in NO and unless you did the ride, you have little or no right to stand in judgement.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:03 pmYou lefties are quite a show. So very stupid and so very eager to let everyone know it. Keep it up. I just have a few other comments and then I will await your oh so witty responses.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:05 pmNone of us in this country have a right NOT to be offended. Neither you nor I…
If Christ or profiling an Arab offends you, guess what? Only you nutty boneheads give a rat’s hind-parts.
Oh the humanity!!! I am offended because someone put a “FOR SERVICE, SPEAK ENGLISH” sign in their business. Oh, for the love of all that is good and holy, don’t offend me. I mean really, I couldn’t pay for better entertainment.
American Pie
A bit of thinking back to the ’70’s – plus blogs on Tom Delay, watching part of our TV show online, Olbermann’s bit on the Nexus of Politics and Terror and MUCH more.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:07 pmGary wrote:
Exactly. A decent number of liberals who post here miss that we can’t control the government simply standing on the sidelines gloating. The people want leaders with ideas guiding workable solutions. They’ve had five years of empty bluster and inefficient management. (Although in Miers’ case this is exactly what Democratic Senators should be doing; let the Republicans backtrack on every principle they’ve hollered about Supreme Court appointments against them and keep that filibuster threat for an appropriate moment.)
Some of the liberals posting here would fit right in with military.com posters. They’ll feel right at home with the screeching, the ad homonyms, and assumptions about the motivations of posters who doesn’t echo back extreme positions.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:17 pmI believe the downfall of bush and his war mongering/profiteering administration is well underway, but it wont be enough to flush the neocons back under their rocks for the next few decades while we again go about repairing the devastation they have caused. There must be a reckoning. Their lies and deception and those complicit must be held accountable. This is necessary to show the world that we, the people of the USA, are in fact not the murderous imperialists we have been made out to be the last 5 years.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:17 pm“1. Black homeownership is up 2% since Bush took office”
First of all home ownership is up in all of america because of lower interest rates and changes that went into affect through Clinton that reduced the racist banking tactics that used to prevent home ownership. You should be thanking clinton for this advance – not bush! The increase in housing of 2% is consistent with white americans – but is still much lower. 72.8 of white people own homes, only 49.1 of blacks and 48.1 of hispanics own homes. When you have the dismal numbers – 2% is shameful – not something to be proud of! But then again republicans have no shame!
The rest of your bullshit numbers on poverty are nonsense. They’re OReilly numbers, and are just patent lies…
October 13th, 2005 at 4:19 pmComment by Stubain — October 13, 2005 @ 4:05 pm
I’m all for profiling as long as they include a line for “stupid” and they wouldn’t need a sign to “speak english for service”, because “stupid” stands out like the proverbial dogs balls.
Kind of like you do.
Do you have a point or are you one of those people that drop a fart in a room and look around like someone else did it?
October 13th, 2005 at 4:19 pmI am amazed that 2% approve of his leadership, when he has clearly demonstrated that he is no leader. He surrounds himself with cronies and “yes” personnel and scripts his press opportunities. It is time that the American people look close and realize that not only does the Emperor have not clothes, but he has no brain either! What a disgrace he is to the concept of America: Of the people, by the people, for the people.
Bush=Traitor
October 13th, 2005 at 4:21 pmSome of the liberals posting here would fit right in with military.com posters. They’ll feel right at home with the screeching, the ad homonyms, and assumptions about the motivations of posters who doesn’t echo back extreme positions.
Comment by Lesly — October 13, 2005 @ 4:17 pm
Hmmmmm…Thoughtfully provocative. Now, the fact of the matter is that as a party, we have nothing. The republican party controls both houses and the bedrooms at the oval. In spite of the efforts of our best members, we are getting jack, in the media.
Knowing that to be the case, the best we can hope for at this point is to be able to give it back as fast as it gets shoveled out. That requires an education of the facts and a repetition of them.
We ran a f’ed up campaign as a party and for the most part, none of us are going to let that happen again. They were ready with their “A” game and we weren’t.
So call it what you want, vitrol, venom, a shouting match, whatever..I’m getting ready for 08 and when one of these conservative primates jump on this site, spinning their shit…it will be adversarial, cause I ain’t looking for a compromised position with a party that divides and plunders it’s citizens and walks around with the blood of innocent Iraqi civilians on their hands.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:32 pmMay these righty whitey mighty senators asses burn in the hot seat come election time!
October 13th, 2005 at 4:35 pmDaaaa !!!!
October 13th, 2005 at 4:37 pmWAKE UP AMERICA..has anyone caught on or is too late ??
Bush is not liked he is hated by those who don’t like him..they cannot stand to see him for a minute on tv or anywhere else…
THe BLACKS who were able to vote had their vote changed through manipulated means or FRAUD..
THE WHITES who voted in some areas of the country did not know who they voted for..
Bush’s approval rating is somewhere in the 30 percentile. And that should be historic since no one I know voted for him or likes him…
May these righty whitey mighty senators asses burn in the hot seat come election time!
First we need to ensure honest counting, and that everybody who is legally eligible to vote is allowed to.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:37 pmThe black community, of which I am a part, still suffers from many of society’s ills (rates of incarceration, #s of blacks in college, health disparities) at a much higher rate than whites and most other minorities. I’m not a statistician so I don’t have numbers in front of me and don’t know them off the top of my head.
But what I do know is that in my 33 years of life, it’s ALWAYS been that way, no matter who the president is. So Bush doesn’t care about black people … well, who does?
If your point is that Bush isn’t the right person to bridge the racial gap in America, obviously you’re right. But singling out this 2% as proof of his incompetent doesn’t wash, although there are many other stats that would illustrate this much better.
And sadly, a large number of black people don’t even bother to vote. So, in a way, we have only ourselves to blame.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:41 pmFirst we need to ensure honest counting, and that everybody who is legally eligible to vote is allowed to.
Comment by Gary Kleppe — October 13, 2005 @ 4:37 pm
Perhaps we can get an international election monitor in here next go around and monitor the validity of our own elections. I’m sure Carter would be in it.
Course we could always let it go to the Supreme Court again. “Hey Harriet, who does God want for President?”
October 13th, 2005 at 4:42 pmPerhaps we can get an international election monitor in here next go around and monitor the validity of our own elections.
If I remember right, they tried that in Ohio last time. Blackwell kicked them out.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:43 pmJudd misses the point – again!
The day has long ago passed when African-Americans could swing an election, even by voting as a monolithic bloc. If Democrats can’t win with 90% of the black vote, they will have to find a different way to win. It’s that simple.
David Broder, dean of the establishment MSM liberals, has been reading the tea leaves on this problem, as presented by some Democratic pollsters. His observations?
” . . . victory for the Democrats requires more than ardent anti-Bush rhetoric. It requires . . . a revision of Democratic doctrine on both national security and social and moral issues.
“The perception that Democrats are weak on confronting terrorism and hostile to the culture of the deeply religious has cost the party dearly, especially among married women and Catholics. [Democratic pollsters] calculate that the odds of a married woman supporting the Republican candidate rose from just under 40 percent in 1992 to nearly 55 percent last year. Clinton, a Baptist, carried the Catholic vote by nine points in 1992, while John Kerry, a Catholic, lost among his co-religionists by five points.
” ‘Moral values’ are particularly important to both groups. [These pollsters] are quick to point out, however, that this does not require Democrats to abandon their support for abortion rights or to condemn homosexuality. ‘Moral values’ embrace more than gay marriage and abortion; the voters’ definition includes ‘personal integrity, family solidarity, and the social compact,’ particularly concern for those in need of help.
“This opens the way for Democrats to recoup ground if they find a candidate who conveys strength of conviction on national security — the opposite, they say, of Kerry saying, ‘I actually did vote for the $87 billion [for Iraq and Afghanistan], before I voted against it.’ It would help if the candidate also had a solid marriage, a churchgoing habit and an ability to express sympathetic understanding of those who disagree with his or her personal support of abortion and gay rights.”
In other words, the Democrats either need Joe Lieberman to run again (he won’t), or they need John McCain to switch parties! There is no way any leading Democratic presidential contender can fill this bill. Hillary, especially, will be unable to meet these criteria with any credibility. Moreover, Broder completely ignores the importance of tax cuts as a keystone issue for American voters. Every taxpayer wants lower taxes, and every taxpayer knows the GOP is the only tax cutting party in America.
The bottom line is that red state America – the voters who elected and re-elected George Bush – will never turn their pocketbooks, their safety and America’s national security over to the party who, when last heard from, wanted to raise their taxes and turn U.S. troop deployment decisions over to a bunch of bribe-taking U.N. bureaucrats. No way, no how, never.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:44 pmso what that Bush only gets 2% of the black vote, the GOP would like would like blacks to vote for them, but the GOP knows that the Dems have them snowed about who really cares for them. Historians know and people who really think know that it is the dems that hold the black race back. Bull Conner was a Democat, Gov Wallice was a Democat, Sen. Byrd was a KKK Cyclops, if it wasn’t for the GOP, Pres Johnson wouldn’t have gotten most of his Civil Rights bill passed.But it’s ok, black american can continue to waste their votes. they don’t coun’t anyway for the most part. Only 12% of Americans are black, less then 6% can vote, and less then 4% does in anygiven election. unless your needing to pull a urban area like Chicago, New York, or LA the black vote is a wash. I would like to say to Black americans, look who does what. the GOP appointed the 1st black to the surpreme court, 1st black male to Sec. of State and 1st black female to Sec. of State. we help pass the Civil rights bills, we are always trying to help blacks in school and the workforce, not shovel more money at you. So I think maybe those of you who do vote, look who you are voting for. I don’t see Byrd stepping down to give a black his seat in the Senate, either does Kerry or Kennedy. How many blacks had high positions in Gore run for President? How many in Kerry? Why doens’t Dean step down and give his job to a Black? Just things to think about.
Jay
October 13th, 2005 at 4:46 pmMy favorite part of this thread is where LATWuss justified the spending on ‘poverty’ as good for the poor – and contradicted every other CONservative con man/woman who’s posted in the last several months who say it’s bad. They are so schizophrenic they now use the ‘he spends more’ justification to say Bush isn’t bad – how pathetic is that?
Fascist Losers!
October 13th, 2005 at 4:46 pm“†‘Moral values’ are particularly important to both groups. [These pollsters] are quick to point out, however, that this does not require Democrats to abandon their support for abortion rights or to condemn homosexuality. ‘Moral values’ embrace more than gay marriage and abortion; the voters’ definition includes ‘personal integrity, family solidarity, and the social compact,’ particularly concern for those in need of help.”
Blue State Redneck – if moral values are actually important to those people, they should want a non-christian nation. A recent studied showed that ‘religious’ countries are actually more criminal and less ‘moral’ than secular ones. In otherwords you and your whole crew are hypocrites and failures!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1798944,00.html
October 13th, 2005 at 4:49 pmComment by DaveinDC — October 13, 2005 @ 4:41 pm
Precisely Dave. Take Detroit for example, Detroit is 87% black of which only 26% voted.
I might be out of bounds on this, but, living in Detroit, the racial divide has been slow to overcome. Unemployment, drugs and crime is becoming just as prevalent in some of our poorer white? communites as it is in our inner city.
So, it is not just a black or white problem anymore. DC I’m guessing is probably the same.
One truism though is we get what we pay for and vote for and have no one to blame but ourselves. We have the power to change it. We have the power of the vote.
White or Black
October 13th, 2005 at 4:49 pmThe day has long ago passed when African-Americans could swing an election, even by voting as a monolithic bloc. If Democrats can’t win with 90% of the black vote, they will have to find a different way to win. It’s that simple.
Actually, BS, they could’ve won with 90% of the black vote, if those people had all been allowed to vote, and if their votes had accurately been counted.
Stop pretending that the voters chose Bush. Nobody here is fooled. Your “president” is nothing but a fraud.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:50 pmGary, I understand the angst. Believe me, I do. I want us to win but not at the high price Republicans are paying now with strong arm tactics in the Senate/Congress pushing legislation and other unethical initiatives. Slightly liberal and moderate voters turn a deaf ear to the vitriol. I don’t want K-Street handed over to Democratic control—we’d just be Republicans with a different social agenda and avoiding the K-Street politics takes a lot of grassroots funding.
The situation is ripe for a change of guard. If we go about it their way our honeymoon will last as long.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:50 pm“In other words, the Democrats either need Joe Lieberman to run again (he won’t), or they need John McCain to switch parties! There is no way any leading Democratic presidential contender can fill this bill.”
Is that why Gore received 1 million more votes than bush? Because of your cockeyed theory? Whoever writes this claptrap is truly stupid – and you are doubly stupid for reporting it. The MAJORITY of americans disagree with you and your president on virtually EVERYTHING. You live in a world of delusion – and you and your republican circle jerk doesn’t have a clue what americans want!
October 13th, 2005 at 4:51 pmGeorgie boy Bush is the WORST person to ever call himself a president in the history of the U.S. His agenda is nothin’ but GREED. But you all know this,(wheter you want to admit it or not) it just feel’s good to write it. He has only one thing on his mind, and that is making the rich richer and making the poor poorer. He trie’s to make like he care’s but he really doe’s not, but you all know this(wheter you care to admit it or not) REGIME CHANGE(should)BEGIN AT HOME. God I wish he would just go hide in a hole-forever (along with his whole administration) so the world can begin to heal.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:52 pmLesly: Not sure what your point is. I don’t want Democrats to try to out-corporate whore the Republicans, no. I do want them to fight vigorously for the interests of their constituents. I don’t see how the two necessarily go together.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:55 pmStubain-
How about staying focused on the topic at hand? Why do all the Bush Puppets have ADD? Maybe you need to double up on your Ritalin meds.
And lets try to work on sentence structure. “If Christ or profiling an Arab offends you, guess what? “…this really doesn’t make a lot of sense. Is this Bushspeak?
October 13th, 2005 at 4:58 pmUntil we get paper ballot trail we cannot win. Diebold hacked 93.000 more votes for bush than registered voters in one county of ohio alone… We have to insist on a honest election now…speak up ….stop this coruption..Its up to us..
October 13th, 2005 at 5:00 pmDear Dave in MI,
My point is simple. How miserable it must be to be a liberal and honestly think that everyone else is to blame for all of the reasons you are a loser. It’s Bush, it’s racism, it’s sexism, I’m poor, blah blah and blah. Libs have an excuse for everything. I suppose it would be easy to be a lib because then you would never have to be resposible for anything. Just blame it on culture, the rich, Bush, white men, drugs, the police, just take your pick.
Oh yes, my point… I guess my points are more random thoughts than anything else. I am hear to offer my services. For free. Which is hard to do when you are a good little capitalist like me. So take notes all you left leaning blow hards, this could do you some good. And some of you sorry right wingers, too.
If you are poor – get a job. Better yet, get two.
If you have no skills – dig ditches and wash dishes.
If you can’t find work – move.
Don’t have kids if you can’t provide for them.
Can’t pay the rent? Get rid of the cell phones, cable, internet, ipods, CDs, the 18″ rims, and $100 shoes.
Stop being a victim.
If you are not successful, you are your own worst problem – not society.
If you need help, go to charity – not government.
Don’t be a dirtbag. Work harder than everyone around you and you will succeed. Period.
I will have more general words of wisdom once the above politicaly incorrect statements sink in.
Now, go about your life and be responsible for yourself and your children.
October 13th, 2005 at 5:06 pmOMG — I love how S Jackson pointed out all the ways in which democrats have let the black community down (which I don’t really deny) as proof that they are stupid not to vote republican, then he finishes up that statement that “they don’t count anyway.” LOL That is, in a nutshell, exactly the attitude that won bush a 2% approval rating in that community.
Yes, there have been democrats who were rascist idiots. But the whole enviornment of the republican party is rascist idiocy. Southern Stategy, anyone??? I read about an african-american delegate to the 2000 repub convention who said that although he was dressed in an expensive suit and had his credentials prominately displayed, 6 — 6! — white delegates asked him to either carry their luggage or park their cars. THAT’S WHY AA PEOPLE WILL NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN IN LARGE NUMBERS. The racism in the GOP is so endemic that it stains the very foundations of the party.
Democrats have not been perfect when it comes to serving the AA community, but the party as a whole is A LOT more welcoming.
October 13th, 2005 at 5:09 pmI will readily admit that I am just as nutty as the rest of you. No secret there. As far as staying on topic, you all just blame Bush no matter what the topic is. Don’t get me wrong, Bush approves spending bills like it’s cool. He has not vetoed one yet.
October 13th, 2005 at 5:15 pmTopic shmopic. Who needs it?
“Yes, there have been democrats who were rascist idiots.”
That’s true, but most of them left the party with Strom Thurmond and became racist republicans…
October 13th, 2005 at 5:18 pm“As far as staying on topic, you all just blame Bush no matter what the topic is.”
Not true. Sometimes we blame Rove, sometimes Rumsfeld, sometimes Frist, sometimes Delay, sometimes Enron and Exxon. You clearly need to pay attention more!
October 13th, 2005 at 5:19 pmMy point is simple. How miserable it must be to be a liberal and honestly think that everyone else is to blame for all of the reasons you are a loser. It’s Bush, it’s racism, it’s sexism, I’m poor, blah blah and blah. Libs have an excuse for everything. I suppose it would be easy to be a lib because then you would never have to be resposible for anything. Just blame it on culture, the rich, Bush, white men, drugs, the police, just take your pick.
This is illistrative of the major difference between the parties. This asinine paragraph completely misses the point — it’s a mistake that is commonly made by conservatives, and says more about the author than the person they were responding to.
Republicans think of everything in terms of how it effects them.
Democrats think of everything in terms of how it effects everyone.
Dave in MI made an elequent point on how external factors negatively effect inner-city communities and what can be done to change that. Stubain read that point and misunderstood it to mean that Dave was blaming all of HIS OWN problems on those external factors. He read it that way because that’s how he sees things. For republicans, every tax cut or hike, every budget increase, every social movement, every foriegn police initive, and even every pop culture movement are examined in terms of “How does this effect me and mine?” For democrats those things are examined as “How does this effect my country?”
I hope I am getting my point across. I think this can help explain the differences in the 2 mindsets — why we are willing or unwilling to make different kinds of sacrifices, and why our conversations are never quite satifying — we flat out don’t understand each other.
Just my thoughts.
October 13th, 2005 at 5:22 pmI guess all the muggin for the cameras with the people who had their lives RUINED by his incompetency wasn’t enough to bamboozle Black people. Man, if only the honkies were this sharp!
October 13th, 2005 at 5:22 pmThe so-called president Bush should be prosecuted for a number of reasons so far, it is of little consequence if anyone supports him, so far it’s quite celar that he is supported namely by thieves like him and/or flag-wrapping, nose-picking witch hunters from Red Belt.
October 13th, 2005 at 5:23 pmS. Jackson wrote:
The GOP was the liberal party for much of 20th century. An Edmund Burke conservative would be more worried about the consequences of abolishing slavery than shrugging “so what?†and going through with it. Have you spoken with a present-day conservative about gay marriage? Their crystal ball tells them society will make a final dive into oblivion. This is the same line of thinking that made them oppose the women’s vote.
It wasn’t until the CVA of 1967 that Southern Democrats, concerned with the ramifications of doing away with Jim Crow laws, carried on about the “states rights†bullshit. LBJ signed the CVA into law and the Southern Democrats eventually defected to the GOP out of spite and the hope that they could influence the platform. They succeeded and Nixon adopted the Southern Strategy to pursue an electoral realignment in the south catering to white voters.
The Republicans have changed names a few times but swapping ideology happened only once in our country to my understanding. So, “if it wasn’t for the GOP†is outdated. It should be, “if it wasn’t for liberalism…â€
October 13th, 2005 at 5:24 pmStubain(STUPID)
October 13th, 2005 at 5:24 pmGo live in Cabrini-Green or on the Native Peoples reservation land’s for a few day’s and then write some tales about internet, phones, $100 dollars shoes, ipod’s etc, your rich asS don’t know s-it about poverty. Fool’s like you would last about 6 minutes in my old neighborhood. Some day you will wake up, thou it probably will be to late by then, and georgie boy will have done something you are bound to have disagreed with(wheter you care to admit it or not)- at which point you will probably be dead very soon afterwards. Here’s to hopin’ you wake the F’ck up real soon.
To Ryan Neat,
Touché. I would not expect anything less from the “hate the rich” and the “hate all things Bush” crowd. Perhaps you are right that I need to pay attention.
October 13th, 2005 at 5:24 pm“If you are poor – get a job. Better yet, get two.”
Many do – and even with 2 jobs they can’t afford to live. Or didn’t you know that? Of course you didn’t…
“If you have no skills – dig ditches and wash dishes.”
And that’s exactly what people do.
“If you can’t find work – move.”
To where? With what money? You can’t be that stupid can you? Yes, of course you can…
“Don’t have kids if you can’t provide for them.”
So you’re recommending abortions for accidental pregnancies? Wow – how enlightened…
“Can’t pay the rent? Get rid of the cell phones, cable, internet, ipods, CDs, the 18″ rims, and $100 shoes.”
And why do you believe that the ‘working poor’ have these items? You confuse drug dealers with the working poor – but then again bigotted and stupid morons never can separate reality from stereotyping nonsense…
“Stop being a victim.”
Stop victimizing people…
“If you are not successful, you are your own worst problem – not society.”
Depends on whether or not society stands in the way? For example the pay for equivalently educated blacks and whites are not on par. The availability of jobs in black areas is lower. The education provided to black children is inferior. You tell people to be ‘responsible’, yet you don’t hold societies bigotry and neglect as part of that responsibility. But then again – bigots always blame the victims..
“If you need help, go to charity – not government.”
Really – which charity would that be? If it’s SO readily available, then why would anyone take government aid? This is nonsense – just like every other racists and illiterate thing you wrote. You write like Mr. Wrong – full of stereotypes and ignorance!
“Don’t be a dirtbag. Work harder than everyone around you and you will succeed. Period.”
Poor people as a class work MUCH harder than you’ve ever worked in your life. Your ignorance is beyond astounding!
“I will have more general words of wisdom once the above politicaly incorrect statements sink in.”
One must have wisdom before one can share words of wisdom. Clearly you have neither!
October 13th, 2005 at 5:26 pm“To Ryan Neat,
Touché. I would not expect anything less from the “hate the rich†and the “hate all things Bush†crowd. Perhaps you are right that I need to pay attention.
Comment by Stubain”
I am the rich you ignorant moron! You do need to pay attention, as all you’ve spouted are untrue stereotypes and hateful nonsense!
October 13th, 2005 at 5:26 pm“The GOP was the liberal party for much of 20th century.”
Is that why they fought ever progressive idea of Teddy Roosevelt so much he left the party? Is that why they fought every progressive idea of FDR?
You’ve drunk the koolaid and it’s made you stupid!
October 13th, 2005 at 5:28 pmThank you, Art. Your Kind words are heart warming. I will have to admit you are right about one thing. I don’t know anything about poverty. There is a good reason for that… My parents kept their heads completely out of their hind-parts long enough to teach me how to work and work hard. I can’t say that for most of the rest of country because I rarely hear anything about a work ethic anymore. People today think most jobs are beneath them.
October 13th, 2005 at 5:32 pmI have never been called “astounding!” before. I think my self esteem just went up! A warm fuzzy even!
October 13th, 2005 at 5:36 pmGod I wish you were a Republican, Ryan. We don’t need cliché schoolyard euphemisms.
October 13th, 2005 at 5:37 pm“Thank you, Art. Your Kind words are heart warming. I will have to admit you are right about one thing. I don’t know anything about poverty. There is a good reason for that… My parents kept their heads completely out of their hind-parts long enough to teach me how to work and work hard. ”
Translation of the republican redneck. “Because I’m a spoiled middle class brat who attended a reasonable school and I always had opportunities handed to me that I simply didn’t recognize as ‘gifts’, I’ve become a pompous and self centered ass just like my parents taught me to be.”
“I can’t say that for most of the rest of country because I rarely hear anything about a work ethic anymore. People today think most jobs are beneath them.”
Oh please! You’ve clearly never had to work in a minimum wage, construction, or any other job that requires hard work. You’re a dope!
The people that work the LEAST are the middle and upper classes. I know, I see them daily!
October 13th, 2005 at 5:38 pmHard to believe we all live in the same country. This is what Bush “the uniter, not divider” has done to the United States. United, indeed. Eh hem.
October 13th, 2005 at 5:39 pm“God I wish you were a Republican, Ryan. We don’t need cliché schoolyard euphemisms.
Comment by Lesly”
You aren’t a progressive, you’re an idiot poser troll… You guys are the worst bags of crap. You ‘pretend’ to be progressive and post nonsense rhetoric. You’re such a useless fool!
October 13th, 2005 at 5:40 pm“I have never been called “astounding!†before. I think my self esteem just went up! A warm fuzzy even!
Comment by Stubain ”
Stupid people are impressed easily…
“astounding: to fill with bewilderment “
October 13th, 2005 at 5:41 pm“Hard to believe we all live in the same country. This is what Bush “the uniter, not divider†has done to the United States. United, indeed. Eh hem.
Comment by Ringo”
It sure is. But then again Prescott bush funded Hitler through illegal money laundering. These fascists have a long foothold in america…
October 13th, 2005 at 5:42 pm“Is that why Gore received 1 million more votes than bush?”
. . .
“Actually, BS, they could’ve won with 90% of the black vote, if those people had all been allowed to vote, and if their votes had accurately been counted.
“Stop pretending that the voters chose Bush. Nobody here is fooled. Your “president†is nothing but a fraud. ”
See what I mean? The left has a complete inability to deal with REALITY.
There is no evidence to support the so-called 2000 election conspiracy theory. Every recount of Florida shows Bush won. And, oh by the way, every presidential election is decided by electoral college votes, as determined by the popular vote in each state. That helps to level the playing field between big states and small states (an important point, since lefties are so firmly committed to equality). It also means, in REALITY, that Al Gore’s national vote totals in 2000 were meaningless unless they also resulted in an electoral college majority. And they didn’t, so he lost – fair and square.
It’s okay though, ‘cuz in REALITY Al Gore probably would only have been a one-term president. He admitted in Sweden that he would have kept taxes high and would not have attacked Afghanistan or Iraq. He would have been blamed for 9/11, and his economic policies would have deepened the recession. He would have been the Jimmy Carter of his generation.
So it REALLY would be better for the left if all the fever swamp lefties out there would get over the 2000 election, and deal with the results of the 2002 and 2004 elections. The left is losing, and yet it insists on replaying a 2000 campaign that is already over and done with. That’s a sure recipe for continued defeat at the polls.
October 13th, 2005 at 5:44 pm“when you are a good little capitalist like me”
If you are poor – get a job. Better yet, get two.
If you have no skills – dig ditches and wash dishes.
If you can’t find work – move.
Don’t have kids if you can’t provide for them.
Can’t pay the rent? Get rid of the cell phones, cable, internet, ipods, CDs, the 18″ rims, and $100 shoes.
Stop being a victim.
If you are not successful, you are your own worst problem – not society.
If you need help, go to charity – not government.
Don’t be a dirtbag. Work harder than everyone around you and you will succeed. Period.
All I have to say is.. My rims are 22″ and my shoes are $200.00
October 13th, 2005 at 5:46 pmDearest Ryan,
I am a redneck. I think we can all agree with that. Now, for the record, I was far from middle class. I grew up in run down trailer park in a coal mine. I dug ditches and poured concrete and operated heavy equipment for 10 years, and many for min wage. I gained enough knowledge and drive to start my own business. I lived in my pick up truck at one point (more because of booze than anything else)and made many mistakes. But I learned and kept going and never asked for a hand out. Never. I worked at temp jobs and gas stations when I needed to and some days I went hungry. But every failure came with a building of character. Now, because of my hard work and not making the same mistakes twice, I am successful.
October 13th, 2005 at 5:49 pmStubail….I like your style.
October 13th, 2005 at 5:51 pmYeah, I filled him with bewilderment, knucklehead.
October 13th, 2005 at 5:55 pm“There is no evidence to support the so-called 2000 election conspiracy theory. Every recount of Florida shows Bush won. And, oh by the way, every presidential election is decided by electoral college votes, as determined by the popular vote in each state. That helps to level the playing field between big states and small states (an important point, since lefties are so firmly committed to equality). It also means, in REALITY, that Al Gore’s national vote totals in 2000 were meaningless unless they also resulted in an electoral college majority. And they didn’t, so he lost – fair and square.”
Actually that’s not true. The raw results of the recount are available online. You’re just spouting the same lies and ignorant propaganda that’s floated in the republican echo chamber for 5 years… Gore won both the popular AND electoral votes – the supreme court ‘appointed’ bush illegally.
Go educate yourself you lying moron!
http://archive.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=516
October 13th, 2005 at 5:58 pm“I am a redneck. I think we can all agree with that. Now, for the record, I was far from middle class. I grew up in run down trailer park in a coal mine. I dug ditches and poured concrete and operated heavy equipment for 10 years, and many for min wage. I gained enough knowledge and drive to start my own business. I lived in my pick up truck at one point (more because of booze than anything else)and made many mistakes. But I learned and kept going and never asked for a hand out. Never. I worked at temp jobs and gas stations when I needed to and some days I went hungry. But every failure came with a building of character. Now, because of my hard work and not making the same mistakes twice, I am successful.”
And good for you – those are all noble things. And how many years did it take you? And when you went for that loan or business, were the other faces you were doing business with white? If you had been a black man – how much harder would that have been? Were you lucky enough to get a ‘reasonable’ education – one that didn’t make you borderline illiterate as is often the case in minority schools?
The reality is that you CAN make it working hard – but a good portion of that is luck. Your business could have failed just as easily as it succeeded – and if you’re an honest person you will know that. I too have had a great deal of success – but I’m smart enough to realize that not everyone has either the fortitude, education, personality or even the the brain power to be an entrepreneur. Not everyone is suited to that path – and to ‘demand’ everyone be like you is just ignorance!
As for the ‘drinking’ issue – that explains why you’re such an irrational person. Alcoholics who never get treated often end up exchanging one set of addictions and irrational behaviors for another. Bush shares your affliction!
October 13th, 2005 at 6:03 pm“Yeah, I filled him with bewilderment, knucklehead.
Comment by Stubain”
Bewildered
1 : to cause to lose one’s bearings
It just means you’re a nonsensical and confusing dope. You obviously impress easily – you’re a republican…
October 13th, 2005 at 6:05 pmLarry,
Good on you, Bro. So long as you pay your mortgage and electric bill rather than cigs and video games you will do just fine.
October 13th, 2005 at 6:08 pmAnd Stubain,
I hope you’ve saved your money – because when the housing market collapses – it’s guys like you that will suffer under republican mismanagement. And you better hope that Halliburton never decides to compete with you – otherwise your days a biddnessman are over…
October 13th, 2005 at 6:11 pm“Were you lucky enough to get a ‘reasonable’ education.”
Luck? What a load of dog squeeze. Luck has nothing to do with it. That is an excuse for failure. Nothing more. What a joke.
October 13th, 2005 at 6:12 pm“Larry,
Good on you, Bro. So long as you pay your mortgage and electric bill rather than cigs and video games you will do just fine.
Comment by Stubain”
Such an enlightened redneck… Why do I find it difficult to believe that you are who you say you are. As much as you try to ‘dumb down’ what you say, frankly your approach and linguistics are not compatible with a high school education.
While I’d certainly agree it is possible you are who you say you are – a more likely scenario is that you’re just another free republic poser…
October 13th, 2005 at 6:13 pmRyan Neat wrote:
If you declare yourself a Republican you would be as useful to the Democratic Party as posters on redstate.org are. Don’t you want to be useful?
October 13th, 2005 at 6:14 pm““Were you lucky enough to get a ‘reasonable’ education.â€
Luck? What a load of dog squeeze. Luck has nothing to do with it. That is an excuse for failure. Nothing more. What a joke.
Comment by Stubain ”
Did you receive a good education? Because many children were not ‘lucky enough’ to benefit from that. If a child does not learn how to read properly, it is virtually impossible to teach them as an adult to be functionally literate. That’s LUCK – something clearly you were given, but that you’re too stupid to realize or acknowledge.
October 13th, 2005 at 6:15 pm“If you declare yourself a Republican you would be as useful to the Democratic Party as posters on redstate.org are. Don’t you want to be useful?
Comment by Lesly”
Funny, I was about to say the same thing to you…
October 13th, 2005 at 6:16 pmAnd if the housing market goes in the garbage, I will blame noone. That’s life. Poo poo happens. You have to live with your choices. Like I said earlier, you libs will stop at nothing to blame the your problems and the world’s problems on anything and everything so long as you don’t have to be responsible for your own choices. How pathetic.
October 13th, 2005 at 6:17 pm“And if the housing market goes in the garbage, I will blame noone. That’s life. Poo poo happens. You have to live with your choices. Like I said earlier, you libs will stop at nothing to blame the your problems and the world’s problems on anything and everything so long as you don’t have to be responsible for your own choices. How pathetic.
Comment by Stubain ”
Then you’d be an idiot. Wait – so you claim responsiblity for success – but not failure? You’re such a dope!
October 13th, 2005 at 6:18 pmLet me translate what the redneck said.
“All personal choices are choices of responsibility”
“All ‘political choices’ are no ones responsibility, and neither are their failures”
“All people must be responsible for the failures of the politicians without blaming politicians for those failures”
You talk about accountability – yet you don’t require any out of politicians? Wow, you are a stupid redneck!
October 13th, 2005 at 6:20 pmHey, I said I was a redneck, not a scholar. Pay attention and try to keep up.
My parents made sure I knew how to read. School had very little to do with my progress. People with rotten kids usually blame the school system.
October 13th, 2005 at 6:23 pmI accept failures. If I screw up, I say I screwed up and move on. I make a decision to learn from mistakes and failures instead of making excuses for them. Try it sometime.
October 13th, 2005 at 6:28 pmSo which is it? Am I a stupid redneck or a spoiled middle class brat who had a good education handed to me like a gift?
October 13th, 2005 at 6:34 pmI think since the presidential ratings from Black Americans are so low, you folks in the US can expect another “terrorist ” alert soon.
October 13th, 2005 at 6:37 pm“Hey, I said I was a redneck, not a scholar. Pay attention and try to keep up.
My parents made sure I knew how to read. School had very little to do with my progress. People with rotten kids usually blame the school system.
Comment by Stubain”
You’re lucky, many children who have parents that work those 2 jobs don’t have anyone who can teach them.
Once again you don’t recognize your own luck.
“I accept failures. If I screw up, I say I screwed up and move on. I make a decision to learn from mistakes and failures instead of making excuses for them. Try it sometime.
Comment by Stubain”
All admirable traits, but your assumption that others don’t do this reminds me of Mormons and Jehovah’s witness. It’s not only arrogant beyond measure, it’s ignorant beyond excuse. I’m quite successful and while I appreciate your ‘advice’, frankly I’m quite sure you have few lessons to teach me that I haven’t already learned… I doubt the contrary is true.
“So which is it? Am I a stupid redneck or a spoiled middle class brat who had a good education handed to me like a gift?
Comment by Stubain ”
Actually your education and attitudes are more middle class spoiled. Your ignorance of reality and your hatred of black people makes you a stupid redneck. My guess is you started out as one, and somehow transformed into the other…
October 13th, 2005 at 6:39 pmStubain,
October 13th, 2005 at 6:40 pmPoo poo happen’s????? Much more frequently in your house obviously. If one read’s into what’s not said instead of what is said you get a clearer picture. Obviously the point’s you don’t disagree with are one’s you agree with. From the last few minutes I’ve spent wasting my time reading YOUR comment’s it’s obvious you are clueless idiot. By the way – I’m glad I could warm your heart,it’s a start. Up until this point it clear that it’s been a frigid useless part of your being
“I accept failures. If I screw up, I say I screwed up and move on. I make a decision to learn from mistakes and failures instead of making excuses for them. Try it sometime.”
Comment by Stubain — October 13, 2005 @ 6:28 pm
Send this to Bush!!
October 13th, 2005 at 6:40 pmStubain,
I’m glad you are a hard worker, but what you don’t seem to understand is that there are plenty of other very hard workers who have had their livlihoods taken away from them by the large corporattions which Mr. Bush and cronies represent.
Example, My husband a commercial fisherman in Alaska, rated one of the most dangerous jobs. With me so far? To own a permit to fish one must take out a loan (usually from the gov’t) to buy the permit and boat, upwards of $250,000. Then along comes large corporate food giants who own fish farms in South America. Whoa, the fisherman, who is risking his life, everyday, trying to feed people, make some money to support his family,etc. is suddenly broke, can’t pay the loan, etc. etc. This scenario, isn’t just a fishing phenomenon, but it has been played out across the country in many industries. What you don’t understand is that when small businesses fail, it is the consumer/taxpayers who pay for this twice. They end up paying for debt relief, unemployment, job retraining, FSA programs through their taxes and they end up paying for products from large corporations who pay very little in fed and local taxes, ruin the environment, pay employees poorly, etc. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that this isn’t a sustainable economy.
Being lazy may have beenyour thing, but for many people, it is the system that is corrupt.
October 13th, 2005 at 6:44 pmBush is a punk and the NEO CONS should be lined up and shot in the head for treason.
October 13th, 2005 at 6:49 pmOH Stubain,
October 13th, 2005 at 6:51 pmOne last comment…presently the Bush admin is trying to tax Alaska Salmon fishermen 2-15% on their catch. Fishermen who already pay plenty of taxes, thank you very much. I thought the liberals were the “tax ‘n spend ” fiends. Whoops…
Is Stubain trying to convince us that his alcoholism never hurt anyone? Yeah right.
Sorry Bushie, without Oprah you’re nothin!
October 13th, 2005 at 6:57 pmStubain,
Were a union worker? Is your company a union employer? Did you ever ‘use’ union rules to protect yourself as a employee that you now thwart others from using?
My guess is that you’re some poor shmoe who’s ’self employeed’ and think you’re an actual business person. Companies LOVE folks like you, because you’re too stupid to realize that you hold all of the risk (taxes, healthcare, unemployment insurance, employer SSI, workers comp, etc.) so they don’t have to. So unless you tell me you run a REAL business – I’ll just assume you’re talking out of your ass, like you were on the inner city insults you delivered…
October 13th, 2005 at 7:00 pmStubain,
October 13th, 2005 at 7:10 pmCat got your tongue????? Kinda’ feel like your, oh how shall I say this – STUPID and FOOLISH. Yeah thats what I mean. The world would be better off without people like you – and Bushie boy of course. ROT IN H- LL
Keep on the topic of Bush and why he has failed all Americans and the world, even the ones that don’t realize it yet. Bashing other political and minority groups is not only a waste of time, but plain stupid. Why would someone support and defend Bush, when the vast majority of the world abhors him? Is it about his pro-gun stance, pro-oil, pro-war, anti-union, taking away fundamental rights of minorities, women, anti-school programs, children, animals, the environment? He has done so much damage already. I challenge those who come with quick statistics in defense of this warmonger, to really do thorough research about him and his administration. Just read the headlines about treason, cover-ups, on and on…I pity the small minority of his supporters for being so blind, gullible, and uninformed. It’s too easy to try to distract people with these “liberal” put downs (too much O’Reilly on TV is a bad thing; shame on you!). This is done out of ignorance. These comments are done by people who have not used the dictionary in a long time. I urge you to open that dusty dictionary. Check this out: liberal: broad, progressive, tolerant, open-minded, broad-minded, fair, objective, just, equitable, generous, giving, nonpartisan, unbiased, unprejudiced, free, ample, abundant.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:11 pmThis is what “liberal” means. Now look up “conservative.” Favoring of the existing order, restrained, orthodox, right-wing. I hope this clears up your confusion.
Clarification…
“Why would someone support and defend Bush, when the vast majority of the world abhors him?”
Unfortunately because they share his narrow and hateful views. Many americans are stupid, shallow, greedy and ignorant – just like bush…
And other definitions of ‘conservative’ are ‘fascist’, ‘rigid’, ‘intolerant’, ‘hateful’, ‘greedy’, ’selfish’, ‘zealot’, ‘aristocratic’, ‘classist’, and ‘corporatist’
All of those define the bush clan particularly well.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:19 pmCanadians dislike George Bush too. There is currently a softwood terrif on Canadian lumber which means the average American pays $1000 more for a home because of the terrifs. George Bush only cares about the rich lumber companies who helped him get elected. Its a joke that W only cares about big business. I hate George Bush.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:21 pmStubby,
I have one final question for you. If it’s SO easy to work hard and succeed – why were your father and mother such miserable failures? You say you was raised poor – but you say working hard is all you need to pull out of poverty. If it’s so easy, why weren’t you raised well off?
Hadn’t thought of that question? Ask your dad sometime why he’s a loser who never made it when you were young – see what he says to you. I bet I’m kinder to you than he will be!
October 13th, 2005 at 7:25 pmCaolan,
Republicans are the first to be protectionists when one of their pet industries is hit. Hell last week they started pressuring for Westinghouse to be bought back by an american company because of its ’strategic importance’. These are same assholes who try to force other countries to sell of their public utilities to AMERICAN investors! They’re just greedy hypocrites – they don’t believe in anything other than their personal greed. The ‘values’ they talk about are just tools for that greediness…
October 13th, 2005 at 7:27 pmSo what will bring this self-serving Bush and his empire down? Liberals, conservatives, moderates, independents, everyone must voice their opinion to the sources that will listen and count. This forum is great for sharing opinions and views. Real change happens when we email, mail, make calls to the people who can bring about change and get active. Use our tax money and make these congress people, senators and governors work. Complaining doesn’t bring results. Action does! If you do a search on the net, you will find at least one group that actively campaigns. You want Bush and his crooks out of the house? You have to do your part. One person can make a major difference. The same principle as the squeaky wheel. It will lead to a domino effect. I have written to multiple editors and had my views published. Do one thing today and you will see a change in the future.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:29 pmI’ll be safe and go with the margin of error on the low side, -1.4%!
October 13th, 2005 at 7:39 pm#230, Ryan, Good point you made to Stubby. I am often amazed at your quick retorts to these monkeys. I was raised poor too and that has given me a different perspective than some of my middle class friends. I think I am more understanding of the complexities that make up the working poor.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:40 pmA large percentage of homeless people are working poor — Stubby and others like him need to read a book like Nickel and Dimed to get a picture of life on the other side of the tracks.
Stubain – if you’re new here, let me introduce you to a tiny insignificant cartoon character who loves to “take on” anyone with an ounce of integrity. The “buzzzzzing” noise of R. Neat will constantly inundate you with the following theme:
“You are stupid for not agreeing with me.”
“You are a moron for not agreeing with progressives”.
“You are an a$$h*le for taking personal reponsibility”. – (NOTE*** Progressives HATE THAT!!)
“ANYTHING you have worked hard for to accomplish would not have been possible without the generous benevolence of liberals.”
I hope you have as much fun here as I do – the “usual suspects” take themselves VERY seriously – just remember (tongue in cheek!) they KNOW more than you!! HA!!!!
October 13th, 2005 at 7:42 pmTHIS JUST IN – - Osama’s #2, al Zawahiri, just sent a letter to Zarqawi in Iraq. I will translate the relevant portion for you:
“My dear lieutenant – greetings! You are doing a good job, but we suggest you stop bombing the mosques and schools. We do not want luke-warm Muslims to turn against us with great ferocity. You are hurting our reputation. Our goal, with dear friends (and allies like “the Schmuck, Susan, “Rev” Jesse Jackson, Al Gore, C. Clark Kissinger, etc. ad nauseum), is to pressure, and ultimately force, the removal of US forces from Iraq. (From my university studies in Egypt, I understand an old communist infidel applied the term “useful idiots†to these idiots.) After the removal of the US and “coalition†troops from Iraq, we will conduct a world-wide jihad against the infidels – it will be just a matter of time before we can achieve our ultimate goal- the destruction of Israel. Praise Allah.â€
October 13th, 2005 at 7:48 pm“Stubain – if you’re new here, let me introduce you to a tiny insignificant cartoon character who loves to “take on†anyone with an ounce of integrity. The “buzzzzzing†noise of R. Neat will constantly inundate you with the following theme:
“You are stupid for not agreeing with me.—
Actually you’re stupid because you are…
That and the fact that you thought LIBERALS were responsible for the yacht tax – bahaha
Actually the reason YOU’RE stupid is because your grandmother beat you into it..
““You are a moron for not agreeing with progressivesâ€.”
Actually you’re a moron because you can’t back up your lies with any concrete facts – just propaganda that’s easily debunked. Like the fact that you claimed the yachting industry was destroyed by a ‘democrat’ luxury tax – even though the yachting industry collapsed BEFORE any taxes were enacted and DURING a republican recession. That’s why you’re a moron!
““You are an a$$h*le for taking personal reponsibilityâ€. – (NOTE*** Progressives HATE THAT!!)”
Actually I love the idea of personal responsibility – the problem is you don’t even know what it means.
““ANYTHING you have worked hard for to accomplish would not have been possible without the generous benevolence of liberals.—
Oh please. I’m a fat cat capitalist you lying bitch. The difference between you and me is that I KNOW I benefitted unequally in society than those who are raised in poor households with bad schools. I not only have PERSONAL responsibility – I have CIVIC responsibility – something you and your disgusting greedy slug corporate marxist comrades all are devoid of!
“I hope you have as much fun here as I do – the “usual suspects†take themselves VERY seriously – just remember (tongue in cheek!) they KNOW more than you!! HA!!!!”
And that’s the only truthful thing you’ve ever said here! Wow, I doubt it will be a trend, as clearly you haven’t learned to recognize the truth – even when it comes out of your keyboard. The idiots learn slowly though – so I say just keep reminding them of EVERY LIE THEY TELL…
You know – like the lie about the yacht sales tax that you claimed democrats were responsible for, even though the industry had ALREADY COLLAPSED!
Wow, you are a stupid bitch – and I never get tired of reminding you of how stupid you are!
October 13th, 2005 at 7:49 pmMighty Bag of Wind.
You missed the earlier response to your post of this crap earlier. It’s already been ‘translated correct’, and debunked…
And besides, shouldn’t you be posting your jewish NeoCon hate terrorist rhetoric instead of the Islamic stuff? I know it all looks alike, but you should have written Yahweh and not Allah – and you should have replaced ‘islamic states’ with ‘israel’ and it would sound more like the kind of terrorism we normally hear from you.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:51 pmAren’t you doing the same, mighty aphrodite? Aren’t we in Anne Coulter territory here? How to speak to a liberal, if you have to? In fact, liberals can be spoken to; however, Republicans, on the other hand, refuse to listen, are obstinate, and dig their heels in because they refuse to be proven wrong. Anyway, this whole thing started because only 2% of African-Americans approve of Bush. I predict that few if any Americans at all will approve of Bush after this country is completely destroyed in the next three years. And that saddens me. I love this country and hate to see what’s happening to it, and I for one (among many), place the responsibility for its ruination 100% in the hands of George W. Bush. After all, he’s the one at the helm at the moment. If this was a Democrat in office, Republicans would be all over him like white on rice. And you all know that to be true, so don’t deny it. Clinton couldn’t even get away with a damned blow-job. But Bush can get away with murder, literally.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:52 pmThe original subject was: only two percent of African Americans believe Dubya is doing a good job. Once again the Bushies have semi successfully managed to change the subject. Their best defense, as usual, is to get offensive. If I was a betting man, I’d wager that dubya does indeed have 100% support from one bloc and that is the bigot bloc. Any takers?
October 13th, 2005 at 8:02 pmRingo,
Exactly. The problem with the windbag is that she sees this as a ‘game’, and something she wants to ‘win’. I do this because I care about the country and believe that integrity in issues is more important than deception to win. Republicans have no problems with deception and as the VERY conservative David Brooks recently reported – it’s OFFICIAL policy at the whitehouse. If it were a democrat in office and I heard this I’d go ape shit – but it not only doesn’t disturb republicans – it seems to make them happy! That’s why their movement is radical, dangerous and clearly based on delusion and insanity. They don’t care about facts, unless they’ve been doctored to support their preconception and delivered as propaganda. It’s really just horribly shameful!
October 13th, 2005 at 8:04 pmCouldn’t agree with you more, Irish, and thanks for saying it.
October 13th, 2005 at 8:05 pmIrish very true.
So lets change the topic back and ram it through.
Only 2% of african americans approve of the president. Less than 40% of ALL americans approve him. Less than 30% approve of republican policies.
Clearly he has no mandate, and is has nothing to offer that the majority of americans are willing to buy. But then again, it’s because he has delivered the REAL bag of crap that is republicanism – instead of the empty lies told to try and get elected!
October 13th, 2005 at 8:05 pmYou’ve got it right, Ryan. We’re in whacko territory now with this administration and its supporters. My only hope is that their growing hubris/arrogance will be their ultimate downfall.
October 13th, 2005 at 8:09 pmWell, Ringo, it is REFRESHING to see a Dem who professes a love for our country!! Unusual, but refreshing!! Sadly too many of my DEM friends feel terribly guilty if they’re “fat cats” – I think “Mom” or the orphange warden MUST have potty trained them WAY TOO YOUNG. (In any case, there seems to be tremendous feelings of inadequacy.)
By the way- Bill got away with ZILLIONS of blow jobs- just ask Ryan – he told me!!!
P. S. So as not to be redundant, I posted on the topic of 2% of AA approval at post # 137.
P.S.S. A sense of humour will go alooooong way here!!
I have only three POLICY disagreements with Bill Clinton – (rabbits have more morals – but this is a policy assertion, so….)
1.) His weak, jelly knee response to terrorists attacks – pathetic!!!!
2.) He broke his promise on tax hikes for the middle class.
3.) He vetoed the ban on partial birth abortion.
He seemed like fun guy to hang out with, and he always seemed a little surprised that the white trash son of a partying, loud mouthed mom could end up in the White House!! I liked that about him!!! Only in America!!
October 13th, 2005 at 8:21 pmThe commentor who said 2% is still too high expresses my views exactly, but at least there’s one group of Americans the rest of the world can relate to. Blacks are probably responding not only to the blatant racism seen in the response to the hurricanes but also to their widespread disenfranchisement by Republicans like Katherine Harris in 2000 that was a major factor in Bush’s theft of the White House, a disenfranchisement that still wasn’t corrected for 2004. While everybody’s been crowing about Bush’s 30% to 43% approval ratings, I’ve been shocked that it’s still so high, and anyone who’s got their senses turned on knows that if they polled only US white males, they’d get figures WAY over 50% easy. Stupid white men indeed.
October 13th, 2005 at 8:22 pmI posted #135 and received a reply #151 “Their lies and deception and those complicit must be held accountable.”
How can this ever be achieved if Bush and Co continue unabated even with their lowest ever percentiles?
An AA rating of 2% and Democrats who seem powerless. Is there anyone in America who will/can stand up and stop these people? Their effects are felt not only in the middle-east!
Somebody please help!!
October 13th, 2005 at 8:23 pmWOW!2%………. 3% percent of African Americans thought the government cheese was tasty.
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October 13th, 2005 at 8:33 pm“Well, Ringo, it is REFRESHING to see a Dem who professes a love for our country!! Unusual, but refreshing!! Sadly too many of my DEM friends feel terribly guilty if they’re “fat cats†– I think “Mom†or the orphange warden MUST have potty trained them WAY TOO YOUNG. (In any case, there seems to be tremendous feelings of inadequacy.)”
Oh please – what a load of crap. The nation could go organic on the manure you produce, and fuel the country’s cars on the methane off gasing!
Democrats are the ONLY party that cares for the country – all the republicans care about is their cronies and screwing people out a dime when they get a chance. Oh yeah, and protecting themselves from the ‘black man’, and israel from the big bad islam….
We must not forget that Miss Windbag has been CLEARLY established as a zionist unpatriot – who cares more for israel than for america. This is why he/she makes such a big deal out of ‘pretending’ to be american – it’s to protect israel..
“By the way- Bill got away with ZILLIONS of blow jobs- just ask Ryan – he told me!!!”
I did? Wow, and I always thought the only voices in your head were the ones that told you to kill muslims – clearly your repetoire of insanity has increased…
“P. S. So as not to be redundant, I posted on the topic of 2% of AA approval at post # 137.
P.S.S. A sense of humour will go alooooong way here!!”
True – too bad you don’t have one…
“I have only three POLICY disagreements with Bill Clinton – (rabbits have more morals – but this is a policy assertion, so….)
1.) His weak, jelly knee response to terrorists attacks – pathetic!!!!”
You mean the one where he PREVENTED a terrorist attack, bombed Afghanistan and Sudan, and told Bush to respond to the Cole disaster (even though he never did), and even elevated the anti-terrorist person to a direct report? Would that be compared to the current idiot who was too busy chasing drug dealers, demoted the anti-terrorist head, de-focused law enforcment and ALLOWED a terrorist attack?
You’re right about presidential weakness, but once again you stupid bitch – you chose the wrong person to attack!
“2.) He broke his promise on tax hikes for the middle class.”
Oh, you mean like bush did with the ATM? Many middle class americans who thought they were getting a tax cut got an increase last here – that could explain why your taxes are so high miss stupid bitch? Oh and by the way – this is a LIE, unless those earning 140k are considered middle class?
“3.) He vetoed the ban on partial birth abortion.”
And that’s a bad thing? Please – that shows he’s a reasonable person. This kind of violation of civil liberties and imposition of ignorance in place of rational medical care is just stupidity…
“He seemed like fun guy to hang out with, and he always seemed a little surprised that the white trash son of a partying, loud mouthed mom could end up in the White House!! I liked that about him!!! Only in America!!”
Oh, you mean like laura bush selling drugs in college and murdering her boyfriend when she was 17? That kind of white trash?
October 13th, 2005 at 8:34 pmHe be carefull about polls!
October 13th, 2005 at 8:34 pmThe results can be easily manipulated.
70% of the people knows that! :p
So lets change the topic back and ram it through.
Only 2% of african americans approve of the president. Less than 40% of ALL americans approve him. Less than 30% approve of republican policies.
Clearly he has no mandate, and is has nothing to offer that the majority of americans are willing to buy. But then again, it’s because he has delivered the REAL bag of crap that is republicanism – instead of the empty lies told to try and get elected!
October 13th, 2005 at 8:34 pmHere we go again – the republicans keep wanting to change the subject to propaganda – so please join me all progressives in reminding everyone the KEY points of the thread!
So lets change the topic back and ram it through.
Only 2% of african americans approve of the president. Less than 40% of ALL americans approve him. Less than 30% approve of republican policies.
Clearly he has no mandate, and is has nothing to offer that the majority of americans are willing to buy. But then again, it’s because he has delivered the REAL bag of crap that is republicanism – instead of the empty lies told to try and get elected!
October 13th, 2005 at 8:37 pm#251 – BbbbbbbZZZZZZZZZZZZ – those annoying, pesky flies – phtttt,phhhht – whew, it’s gone!!!!
October 13th, 2005 at 8:43 pmHey Mighty/I-Right-I/Ned, we’ve heard from two of your aliases, where’s I-Right-I?
October 13th, 2005 at 8:45 pmTake off your dress andput on your hardhat, it’s time to hear from your persona with the blue collar,
We all love America. It’s just that some of us love it the way it is meant to be, and some of you love it mean.
Egypt huh? Are you CIA?
“I do this because I care about the country and believe that integrity in issues is more important than deception to win.”
October 13th, 2005 at 8:48 pmUh-huhhhhh, smirk….titter…BA HA HA HA HAHA!!!!!!!
I am glad to hear he is reporting negative news for Bushie, but that’s only because he can’t avoid it — the numbers are tanking so badly.
October 13th, 2005 at 8:48 pmIf Bush’s presidency goes down in flames, watch Russert start playing things differently.
I am tired of writing to Russert and demanding that he challenge the thugs as much as he challenges or (worse)condescends to the Dems. He gives Cheney everything but a top hat and cane for the tap dance he performs whenever he’s on MTP. Russert asks Dems really stupid questions, makes them defend the ridiculous talking points coming from Fox. How did this guy ever get to be number one in interviews?
Mighty-A. I think everyone posting here, in fact, everyone in the United States loves this country — Democrats, Rupublicans, Greens, Libertarians, etc. I doubt that you’d find one person who lives here who would want to live somewhere else.
October 13th, 2005 at 8:49 pmSara – I-R-I said he sometimes gets bored with you – don’t take it personally – Here’s our view of lib debating skills – “NONE” – unless you can blame EVERYTHING of George Bush
October 13th, 2005 at 8:53 pmRingo – There are alot of people who live in america who hate america and would love to watch it die.
Marie – The “Numbers’ dont mean much no matter what the pollers tell you. Polls are given in such away that they will tell you anything you want.
October 13th, 2005 at 8:54 pmRegarding dubya’s approval rating, it appears to me that there are considerably more bigots in this country than most might believe. Also, I’m certain that they transend white males. Republicans have successfully courted and captured the bigot bloc. I don’t blame dubya for the current state of affairs in this country. Dubya did not put dubya in office. The ignorant put him and the rest of us where we are today and his approval ratings makeup in a large degree are the people least interested in getting this country moving in the right direction. Their own hatred is more important. They want to drag everyone and everything down to their level. Sad, very sad.
October 13th, 2005 at 8:54 pmLet’s get to the basics here. African Americans are much smarter than W’s support base. These Born-Again bigots really believe that the bible justifies their white exclusivity. “Mainstream evangelicals” believe that blacks are the “sons of Ham”, the cursed son who looked on their father Noah’s nakedness after the “Great Flood”. Apparently according to their dogma, “god cursed Ham’s decendents to have black skin”.
Well, this great flood has caused Blacks in turn to look upon Bush’s nakedness. He smears himself and his followers with Black Gold but we can see through his disguise. Bush and the Bushevics are no friend of the great African American people.
Shame on you
October 13th, 2005 at 8:58 pmChris, maybe I’m naive, but I disagree that anyone who lives here truly hates this country. Now, there clearly are people who want to take advantage of the country, Bush and company, for example. But I don’t think they hate it. Why would they hate something they enjoy profiting off of so much. I’ll just repeat my former comment, and that is that I believe their hubris and arrogance will be their ultimate downfall.
October 13th, 2005 at 8:59 pmIrish — Where should I start with that comment?
October 13th, 2005 at 9:01 pmNever mind it isn’t even worth an attempt.
“#251 – BbbbbbbZZZZZZZZZZZZ – those annoying, pesky flies – phtttt,phhhht – whew, it’s gone!!!!
Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
Bovines often have fly problems – looks like you’re a natural!
October 13th, 2005 at 9:01 pm“Sara – I-R-I said he sometimes gets bored with you – don’t take it personally – Here’s our view of lib debating skills – “NONE†– unless you can blame EVERYTHING of George Bush
Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
Really? Cause I read all of the threads and he never wrote that – so clearly you’re channeling your other personality.
As for debating skills, in order to judge something, you must first demostrate an understanding of the topic. You don’t debate. You slander, smear and post lies – like that one about the Yacht tax that I slammed back in your face…
You don’t come here to debate, you come to harrass. You know serial killers and terrorists have similar personality traits – I’d care to wager you were beaten as a child just like they were. Did it hurt much? How often did it happen. Did they touch you ‘there’ very much? Was it grandma?
October 13th, 2005 at 9:04 pm“But I don’t think they hate it. Why would they hate something they enjoy profiting off of so much. I’ll just repeat my former comment, and that is that I believe their hubris and arrogance will be their ultimate downfall.”
Don’t confuse opportunism with love. Many of those same people will wildly invest in China or Mexico or anywhere they can make a fast buck. And they’d leave in a second and take their money if you tried to tax them heavily. They don’t love this country – they love exploiting it. Nothing more.
October 13th, 2005 at 9:06 pm“Let’s get to the basics here. African Americans are much smarter than W’s support base.”
That’s so true. The difference is that african americans are the targets of a disproportionate amount of scams. They get used to seeing and avoiding a cheat – and they know bush is a cheat!
That 2% are just the parasite blacks who prey and cheat the other 98% – they like bush because he’s one of them!
October 13th, 2005 at 9:07 pmJonathan – I would guess you have never been to a christian church in your life!
Let me clear up a few things for you, if a christian is baptised in Jesus Christ they are “Born Again”.
What is “Mainstream evangelicals”? All christians are supposed to be evangelical, this is just to spread the word of jesus, yes I know some go a bit far, but atleast we don’t strap bombs to our chests and murder scores of “Non Believers”
October 13th, 2005 at 9:08 pmIsn’t Jesus dead?
October 13th, 2005 at 9:22 pmIn case any of you wish to know, the 2% were props from Bunker Brothers Mortuary.
October 13th, 2005 at 9:32 pmHey Chris
Like all of you “believers” You’ve avoided the biggest statement in favor of symantecs. Here it is in question form Chris.
Do you as a Born Again ascribe to the “scriptures” that the sons of Ham are cursed with black skin?
Answer the question or stick a cork in it.
October 13th, 2005 at 9:33 pmI’ve got 2 word’s to say to all of this: REPUBLICAN’S SUCK
October 13th, 2005 at 9:52 pmSons of Ham – that better describes Limbaugh and the rest of the fat assed republican stupid white man’s club.
Is this the same bible that calls cotton blended fibers an abomination?
The one that makes it a sin to eat pork?
The one that makes it a death penalty for working on sunday?
The one that says the sun rotates around the earth?
The one that says the earth is flat?
The one that says the earth is 8000 years old?
Would that be the discredited work you believe should be a literal document? Wow, people sure are stupid and gullible!
October 13th, 2005 at 10:09 pmNo excuse mighty windbag for your yacht lies? Clearly you prefer to ignore your lies when they’re thrown back in your face than admit your failures. That’s typical of republicans – no accountability, responsibility, morals or values. It’s part of that ‘moral relativism’ you guys all practice – pretty sad stuff!
So lets change the topic back to the start of this thread. The president’s approval has dropped like a rock! When you get a drop from 90% to 36% (55% decline) – this is an IDENTICAL drop to that of Nixon. Before Watergate Nixon peaked at 67% and at rock bottom and resignation he bottomed out at 23%. While Nixon’s overall approval rating was obviously lower at the end of his collapse than Bush’s ‘currently’ is by a few percentage points – the percentage drop is virtually identical!
In otherwords bush has squandered as much good will as Nixon did through his ineptitude and mismanagement. That’s the REAL story!
Only 2% of african americans approve of the president. Only 37% of ALL americans approve him. Less than 30% approve of republican policies. So now we know that 37% of the population is stupid, crazy, racist and hateful – it’s time for the other 63% to take back the country!
Clearly he has no mandate, and is has nothing to offer that the majority of americans are willing to buy. But then again, it’s because he has delivered the REAL bag of crap that is republicanism – instead of the empty lies told to try and get elected!
October 13th, 2005 at 10:24 pmOh, I made a mistake – Bush’s drop is GREATER than Nixon’s. The drop of GW is 10% greater than that of Nixon’s!
The only presidents to have a worse drop than GW was Truman and GHBush – both of whom were considered unelectable. Why does this matter? Because typically midterm elections are a direct result of presidential popularity. Of course republicans like Delay have gone out of their way to gerrymander the districts – but that only diminishes their loses, it won’t prevent them all!
October 13th, 2005 at 10:41 pmOnly 2% of African Americans approve of trolls.
October 13th, 2005 at 10:53 pmHey
I’m Italian (Roma). I really didn’t know there were americans with a fuctioning brain at all…
There’s hope then…
Keep on
October 13th, 2005 at 11:05 pmWith a poll error of “Plus-Minus” 3.4 percent, it may mean that even 1.4 percent of the unborn disapprove.
Calm
October 13th, 2005 at 11:05 pmSince Libs are irrelevant in the House, Senate, Presidency, and Courts, its good to see they can all whine and complain on message boards together. Enjoy the continued decline of your party into oblivion.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:07 pmEhm… sorry. I meant “functioning brain”. F**k Typing. Freudian slip?
October 13th, 2005 at 11:09 pmCarmelo:
No worries. Whether you spell correctly or not when calling someone else stupid, the irony is not lost on us. Nobody is surprised that a European would think all Americans are stupid. You’ve come to the right message board, since the Libs feel the same way as you.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:11 pm“Since Libs are irrelevant in the House, Senate, Presidency, and Courts, its good to see they can all whine and complain on message boards together. Enjoy the continued decline of your party into oblivion.
Comment by YeahWhatever”
The party who’s polling like a stone is lecturing others their party going to oblivion? Enjoy your control of the government while you have it – and remember democracts could say the same thing in the 70s. All things are temporal – too bad you’re stupid to know that.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:16 pmThe small percentage that supports Bush would have never given him their vote if they understood, that behind that folksy manner hides a mean-spirited right-wing heart. This was as clear as you could get when he used his brother and connections to make it extremely difficult for Blacks to get to the polls, or even to vote. Before he was elected, he repeatedly shunned all Black organizations. He leaves the Black community abandoned for a week from the storm. Takes away funds for critical programs to aid the poor and destitute. And more.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:16 pmIt is a paradox that, while posing as a “compassionate conservative,” Bush and his family have the longest standing ties with outright fascism of any U.S. political family.
George W.’s grandfather, Prescott Bush, later a U.S. Senator from CT., had profitable ties to Adolph Hitler’s Third Reich back in the early ’30’s. As a partner in the Wall Street investment bank, W’s grandfather served as U.S. financier for a German who bankrolled Hitler’s seizure of power. He also published a notorious pro-Hitler tract, “I paid Hitler.” Remember how cold, uncaring, out-of-touch, and insensitive Bush Sr. was? What does this tell you??
I am not surprised at all that he and his family are racists and anti-Semetic, among a lot of other things. Let’s pray for Bush that his ratings continue to plummet so we can relieve him of his impending failures. His history proves he destroys, bankrupts, and corrupts everything he touches.
“Whether you spell correctly or not when calling someone else stupid, the irony is not lost on us.”
People obsessed with spelling often suffer from paranoid personality disorder – just thought you’d like to know. Obsession personality doesn’t make one smart, it makes one sick. So your belief that this obsession makes you smart is just more pathology.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:18 pmYeahWhatever
Sure!!! Just MULTIPLY yourselves.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:19 pmEarth needs you BADLY…
Oh, and I figure need a translation – so maybe this will be easier for you.
Making a mistake doesn’t make someone stupid.
Not being able to process information readily that is rational and readily available does (that would be republicans).
October 13th, 2005 at 11:20 pmDrop in Nixon approval ratings: 44%
Drop in Bush approval ratings: 54%
Realization that republicans are withering on the vine:
priceless!
So lets change the topic back to the start of this thread. The president’s approval has dropped like a rock! When you get a drop from 90% to 36% (54% decline) – this is a WORSE drop to that of Nixon. Before Watergate Nixon peaked at 67% and at rock bottom and resignation he bottomed out at 23% (44%). While Nixon’s overall approval rating was obviously lower at the end of his collapse than Bush’s ‘currently’ is by a few percentage points – the percentage drop by bush is even more embarassing! What a LOSER!
In otherwords bush has squandered as much good will as Nixon did through his ineptitude and mismanagement. That’s the REAL story!
Only 2% of african americans approve of the president. Only 37% of ALL americans approve him. Less than 30% approve of republican policies. So now we know that 37% of the population is stupid, crazy, racist and hateful – it’s time for the other 63% to take back the country!
Clearly he has no mandate, and is has nothing to offer that the majority of americans are willing to buy. But then again, it’s because he has delivered the REAL bag of crap that is republicanism – instead of the empty lies told to try and get elected!
October 13th, 2005 at 11:23 pmChris is the “multiples” closet gay personality.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:50 pmI have read somewhere that every ethnic/gender group except white male is bent more to democrats than to republicans. Hope that’s true, but feel a bit sad, being white american male myself. Also, by statistics, the less educated and the more fanatically religious a person is, the more probability he/she votes for Bush. This suggests that better schools may help avoiding such a ‘president’ in future.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:57 pmWhile most African-Amercians are all right, it seems that 2% of them are retarded.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:01 amAmericans voted for bush themselves, so what are they winning about? this is democracy at work
October 14th, 2005 at 12:54 amThe Black Caucus, Cynthia Mckinney, John Conyers. These are the only leaders who are asking the tough questions. They are the only bright spot in the cowardly bunch we call congress. They have held meetings on 911truth and Downing Street Minutes etc. The other Democrats are playing politics while the Black Cauces is playing hero. Remember the videos of the Black Caucus fighting on the floors of Congress to get one Senator to sign on to enable Democrats to have a chance to win in 2000. Our white Democratic leaders bend over for the Republicans to just pound on them. I’m giving my money to the Black Caucus, forget the DNC.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:55 amOleg,
That’s true – that’s why republicans have made it their mission to undermine good schools!
October 14th, 2005 at 12:57 amBush’s approval rating has sunk below 40 percent, while the percentage believing the country is heading in the right direction has dipped below 30 percent. In addition, a sizable plurality prefers a Democratic-controlled Congress, and just 29 percent think Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers is qualified to serve on the nation’s highest court.
[…]
In addition, with 13 months until the 2006 congressional elections, 48 percent say they prefer a Democratic-controlled Congress, compared with 39 percent who want the Republicans to control Capitol Hill. In fact, that nine-point difference is the largest margin between the parties in the 11 years the NBC/Journal poll has been tracking this question.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:00 amMost Republicans are nice and well meaning people, they just got hijacked by hilljacks.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:02 am#258 – “Mighty-A. I think everyone posting here, in fact, everyone in the United States loves this country — Democrats, Rupublicans, Greens, Libertarians, etc. I doubt that you’d find one person who lives here who would want to live somewhere else.”
October 14th, 2005 at 2:08 amComment by Ringo
You, sir, are probably a very nice person – but your naivete is VERY immature. No, everyone who is priveleged enough to live in our wonderful,but imperfect country, does not LOVE America. Here on this very site, have been postings for an anti-war, anti-Bush organization that is BACKED by the Revolutionary Communist Party. Go to their website and see what they advocate. Bob Avakian and C. Clark Kissinger describe THEMSELVES as Marist/Maoist/revolutionaries. Kissinger is the person behind “Not in Our Name”. He was a supporter of the Iranian revolution during which our hostages were held for over 400 days. He was a huge supporter of “Chairman” Mao’s Cultural Revolution in which thousands were killed. Their goal is a violent overthrow of the government and capitalist system. On this site, some domestic enemies despise George Bush so much, they have said they are for ANY revolution which will rid our national leadership of Bush. The ironic thing is there are other places (Cuba, North Korea, etc) they could go and live the totalitarian life they wish to implement here. I wish they would – perhaps they would be happier – they are so obviously power hungry AND miserable. So, see, my dear Ringo, not knowing the facts of our enemies can be deadly, even for the naive
#258 – “I’m Italian (Roma). I really didn’t know there were americans with a fuctioning brain at all…
There’s hope then…
Keep on
Comment by Carmelo — October 13, 2005 @ 11:05 pm”
Carmelo, thanks alot for all of your input!! Is the functioning brain of the Italians demonstrated by their declining birth rate and the sad fact that too many Italian “men” still live at home with mama mia. I’ve decided that the greatest part of Europe is the fact that so many brave and productive people left “home” and came here – look what they left behind.
October 14th, 2005 at 2:16 amThere are some people who are worthy of response – others who are the equivalent of brain flatulence are not. To acknowledge someone is a form of flattery. Thank you!
October 14th, 2005 at 2:21 am“You, sir, are probably a very nice person – but your naivete is VERY immature. No, everyone who is priveleged enough to live in our wonderful,but imperfect country, does not LOVE America”
That’s true, people like MightyWindbag are fascists, and would prefer to live in a country that’s more like Iran or North Korea. Heck, their cult of the party and personality is just like North Koreans…
“Here on this very site, have been postings for an anti-war, anti-Bush organization that is BACKED by the Revolutionary Communist Party.”
Blah, Blah, Lie, Propaganda. Miss bitch calls everyone a commie who calls her a fascist bitch. Communism is unlimited welfare for individuals – fascism is unlimited welfare for the rich. Both show radical values and no balance. Frankly Miss Bitch has much more in common with communists, than she does with progressives…
“Go to their website and see what they advocate. Bob Avakian and C. Clark Kissinger describe THEMSELVES as Marist/Maoist/revolutionaries.”
And you’re a fascist corporatist who’s heroes gassed millions. I fail to see how your radicalism gives you any credibility as being american. Your values are NOT american. And I think you meant ‘marxist’, don’t worry, I often mistype in a hurry as well – but since you’re often a bitch and point out when someone else does this – I couldn’t resist showing that you’re a stupid hypocrite… You and your crappers post things all the time that are rightwing and racist – that doesn’t make this site a right wing site. You’re such a stupid and irrational lunatic! But you’re a fascist, so that’s an obvious conclusion.
“Kissinger describe THEMSELVES as Marist/Maoist/revolutionaries. Kissinger is the person behind “Not in Our Nameâ€. ”
He was a supporter of the Iranian revolution during which our hostages were held for over 400 days. He was a huge supporter of “Chairman†Mao’s Cultural Revolution in which thousands were killed. ”
And what’s your point again? He’s allowed freedom of speech just like you are. I’d rather have someone who doesn’t want to go to war, than a war mongering terrorist like you. He’s more close to american values than you surely are! And did he SAY he was a supporter of those things – or did you just ‘guess’ that like you ‘guess’ at everything else you’re wrong about?
“Their goal is a violent overthrow of the government and capitalist system. ”
Really? And yours is the illegal takeover of the democratic system through propaganda, manipulation and election fraud. And if necessary to use the military to enforce governmental control against those that disagree with you. See what you fail to recognize is that as a Fascist – you’re as unamerican as any revolution. Ironically the founding fathers not only PREDICTED but RECOMMENDED a revolution (at least a constitutional one) every 50 years.
“On this site, some domestic enemies despise George Bush so much, they have said they are for ANY revolution which will rid our national leadership of Bush. ”
Oh god, here we go with the fascist rhetoric again. Anytime someone disagrees with their malfeasance – they’re called a ‘domestic enemy’ or a ‘terrorist’. You guys are stupid paranoid freaks! If anyone is a ‘domestic enemy’ it’s you and the republican party. You don’t stand for democratic ideas – and you don’t even stand for CAPITALIST ideas. Hell No-Bid contracts are the most ANTI-CAPITALIST thing possible, and yet virtually all government business of late is done this way. For a group that supposedly stands for capitalism, you’re an idiot and a hypocrite!
“The ironic thing is there are other places (Cuba, North Korea, etc) they could go and live the totalitarian life they wish to implement here. ”
First of all idiots like you always jumble economic and political systems. Communism is an ECONOMIC system. Totalitarian is a POLITICAL system. You can have Totalitarian and capitalism (china), or a democracy and to some degree communism (Sweden). The fact is these are entirely different things – but then again, that degree of intelligence and sophistication would require that you’re actually educated or smart – clearly you’re neither.
“I wish they would – perhaps they would be happier – they are so obviously power hungry AND miserable. So, see, my dear Ringo, not knowing the facts of our enemies can be deadly, even for the naive”
Facts? When you learn some, please share. All you’ve shared is smears, propaganda, and a complete lack of understanding for what economic or political systems are. You’re just a stupid moron!
And I’m still waiting – what about the Yacht lie? No response for why you lied about yacht taxes? Is it because you’re an idiot, or you’re just a compulsive liar? Which is it Miss stupid bitch?
Drop in Nixon approval ratings: 44%
Drop in Bush approval ratings: 54%
Realization that republicans are withering on the vine:
priceless!
So lets change the topic back to the start of this thread. The president’s approval has dropped like a rock! When you get a drop from 90% to 36% (54% decline) – this is a WORSE drop to that of Nixon. Before Watergate Nixon peaked at 67% and at rock bottom and resignation he bottomed out at 23% (44%). While Nixon’s overall approval rating was obviously lower at the end of his collapse than Bush’s ‘currently’ is by a few percentage points – the percentage drop by bush is even more embarassing! What a LOSER!
In otherwords bush has squandered as much good will as Nixon did through his ineptitude and mismanagement. That’s the REAL story!
Only 2% of african americans approve of the president. Only 37% of ALL americans approve him. Less than 30% approve of republican policies. So now we know that 37% of the population is stupid, crazy, racist and hateful – it’s time for the other 63% to take back the country!
Clearly he has no mandate, and is has nothing to offer that the majority of americans are willing to buy. But then again, it’s because he has delivered the REAL bag of crap that is republicanism – instead of the empty lies told to try and get elected!
October 14th, 2005 at 2:29 amAnd you know my favorite irony of Mighty Windbag? The ‘claims’ made by bush to free iraq – to free the oppressed and bring about a representative democracy for all the people – is in fact EXACTLY what the commies say…
How interesting how one person’s freedom fighter is another’s terrorist. As I’ve always said, I’m a pascifist and I think ANYONE who promotes violence is being an extremist. And I find no one MORE extremist than AlQueda, marxist rebels and Republicans. Their rhetoric is in fact IDENTICAL – all full of hate and violence.
What’s sad is they all think they’re SO different, when in reality they’re only different from the rest of us who aren’t violent psychopaths. To me they all look like the same insane unamerican and uncivilized barbarians!
October 14th, 2005 at 2:37 amAnd while we’re on domestic terrorism.
Oklahoma City – McVey – rightwing
Ruby Ridge – rightwing
Waco – rightwing
Olympic bombing – rightwing
African American Church burnings – rightwing
Abortion clinic assassinations – rightwing
If anyone wants to find ‘domestic terrorists’, look no further than Mighty Windbag. Every chance they get the resort to violence – while ‘pretending’ they’re under threat. That’s what a paranoid psychotic does though. And that’s what a Republican is!
October 14th, 2005 at 2:43 amSee what I mean, Ringo? Dem libs who are sooooo entrenched in their ideology have a passionate hatred that borders on insanity. Some people hope their long monologues will bury opposition viewpoints. Whew!! Thank goodness it’s not a contagious condition or we’d all be screwed. DON’T believe me – google “revolutionary communist party” and read for yourself the nature of their agenda.
Repubs disliked Bill Clinton’s moral laxity and the moral flexibility of many of his admirers. Some Repubs disliked (some) of his policies. But I praised him (publicly) on his efforts (Bosnia was a fine achievement) and criticized his poor execution of failing to adequately address the terrorist bombings under his watch. Finding out that there was an assasination plot against President Bush I by Saddam Hussein should have garnered more attention than pizza and a sexual tryst – even you’re married to a cold fish. But do I think Clinton was a terrible President – no, I don’t. I think he did the best he could with the information he was getting from Sandy “Pants” Berger.
October 14th, 2005 at 2:49 amYou know what I like about bush?…Nothing
October 14th, 2005 at 3:53 amWhat I don’t understand is how the right considers themselves the party of morality. Mighty Aphrodite criticizes Clinton’s “moral laxity,” presumably his sexual indiscretions, but how can you compare that to Bush’s activities like starting a war under false pretenses, destroying the economy to benefit his wealthiest friends, putting unqualified friends and loyalists in positions of importance and power, running smear campaigns that show an utter lack of human decency, and repeatedly lying to the American people and world. My only guess is that since he’s religious (or claims to be), people ignore such minor moral “faux pas,” believing he is incapable of anything unethical. Sadly, the truth is that his castle is built on a foundation of, to put it mildly, “moral laxities,” and the sooner the American people figure that out, the better of we (and the world) will be.
October 14th, 2005 at 4:15 amDivide and Conquer:
Red State vs. Blue State, conservative vs. liberal, it’s all just a distraction. If you were to really look at what most Americans believe politically, you would find that we are all moderates. In a real democracy when the opposition party is on the ropes from indictments, poor emergency response, scandals, deficits, and 2 pointless wars, don’t you think it would be the moment for the other party to attack and position themselves to take power? As we can see from the Democrats, this is not the case. The Republicans continue to loot our country and the Democrats pocket their share. There is only one political party. We are left with only 2 choices; revolt or submit.
The joke is on us: http://www.letsroll911.org
We’re all in this together!
October 14th, 2005 at 4:36 amThe group of American citizens who least support Dubya is in many ways missing the point. GW is supposed to be (in America’s view) the leader of the free world. We think he is stupid and that his puppet-masters are dangerous. The United States is economically a debtor nation, so it really should care what the rest of the world thinks of the idiot leading them.
October 14th, 2005 at 4:50 amGeorge W. Bush is a war criminal and justice can only be served when he is sent to jail. Whether it is Katrina or Iraq, he cares about his white (and Saudi)oil-baron friends… and the rest of the world can go to hell for all he cares. He is incapable of telling the truth.
October 14th, 2005 at 5:30 amAmen Russell. Saddam (a CIA asset) is going on trial soon, think we can custom fit a noose for Bush while we’re at it?
October 14th, 2005 at 5:42 ambut your naivete is VERY immature
And yoo speek merkin good.
October 14th, 2005 at 5:55 amAt the end f the day folks. half of your country still voted George Bush. The rest of the world is just thankful that this is the last term he can serve. Evidence that the rule on Presidency length is useful after all.
October 14th, 2005 at 7:34 amThis survey proves the statistics of retards in Black People. I have been saying this all along that 2% of African-Americans are retarded. The number of retards in other races may be much more.
October 14th, 2005 at 8:03 amTheresa, you are so right. No wonder Bush lost during the 2004 election. Do you even think before speaking?
Go Bush!! You OWN!
October 14th, 2005 at 8:20 amLook at the shameless lying bastard – stages live teleconferencing and gets caught pants down. This is not the first time he has staged conferences to be shown on the TV. And surprising of it all, 40% idiots of this country still support this lying Christian.
October 14th, 2005 at 8:20 amre #282 I do not think all Americans are stupid but I think some of them are (Dan Quayle and YeahWhatever for example). I have met and worked with both intelligent and stupid Americans and I am sure all nations share this mix of intelligence, Britain is no exception. How typical of a republican to make such an ignorant comment.
Generally speaking (not in absolute terms), I have personally found the brighter Americans are Democrats and the dimmer ones Republicans because as Ryan states, republicans are (generally) extremists. People of lower intelligence need things explaining to them in black and white terms so they can understand. The problem is they then understand things in black and white terms. Hence extremists.
It should matter to ALL Americans that you are losing allies. There are a great many people in the world who want to have close links with America but your extreme politics are making it difficult for the majority of rational people of many nations, not just your own. Note there will always be an extremist minority in Britain who will approve of Bush.
Blair seeks unfettered allegiance with Bush to influence your politics and is your lap-dog as a result. Ironically, many people see no evidence here of any british influence on american politics e.g. G8 Kyoto etc.
Is all this rhetoric? Something needs to be done NOW – where are the Democrats with Ryan’s intelligent incisiveness AND power base? I fear like too many politicians they are lining their pockets. Is anything being done about this over there?
October 14th, 2005 at 8:26 amI live in Europe. If there is something good I have to comment on your administration, it makes me really like my own country and its administration. I find it really hard to understand how Bush and Co could be elected in the first place. Shurely, the common american deserves better. Good luck, for everybodys sake.
October 14th, 2005 at 8:32 am“There is a war going on for the heart and soul of this country and middle of the road hog idiots like you will end up being collateral damage.
Comment by leftist gun nut”
Well, there you are, proving my point. I am not middle of the road by any stretch of the imagination. I am in the UK and as left as they get.
You think you are going to win anything by throwing around insults? Well fine, be a child, start a domestic war, but please don’t drag the rest of the world down with you.
October 14th, 2005 at 8:44 amoh my!
October 14th, 2005 at 9:28 amI said:
Let’s see a cite where any African-American actually said something to that effect, Afro.
Mmmmmm… just listen to those crickets chirping….
October 14th, 2005 at 9:33 amThere needs to be an emergency election like how Arnold challenged the Governor because he was doing a poor job! It’s unfair that we have to have 3 more years of this. Someone of credibility needs to stand up and speak out. Hillary, John Kerry, Colin Powell (Bush refused to listen to him), Al Gord SOMEBODY! Too many people have died on ‘his watch’, and it needs to stop. Also, his cabinet is useless…they have to go too.
October 14th, 2005 at 9:36 amI find it really hard to understand how Bush and Co could be elected in the first place. Shurely, the common american deserves better.
They weren’t elected. They were appointed by the Supreme Court, and they stole another term using rigged Diebold machines and all sorts of other cheating.
<LeslieNielsen>…and stop calling me Shirley.<LeslieNielsen> :)
October 14th, 2005 at 9:36 ameasier said than done Katherine, the awful reality is that whatever the Americans do WILL affect the rest of the world, especially Britain – America is the world’s most powerful country! With Britain’s political sycophants to Bush and co many people here are beginning to question our allegiances to a politically extreme America and are beginning to seek allegiances in Europe instead. I do not think this is a good idea long-term. There are a lot of good Americans but they need to speak up from a forum of power not just web discussions! Everybody in the world including common and uncommon Americans deserve better.
October 14th, 2005 at 9:48 amGo Bush! You OWN!!!
God Bless You Troops
October 14th, 2005 at 10:06 amGod Bless You Bush
“Go Bush! You OWN!!!
God Bless You Troops
God Bless You Bush!”
amen
October 14th, 2005 at 10:07 amI voted for Bush and im proud of it. Damn proud of it.
October 14th, 2005 at 10:08 ami did too!!
haha i enjoy listening to liberals whine about bush winning
October 14th, 2005 at 10:10 amGo Bush! You OWN!!!
God Bless You Troops!
October 14th, 2005 at 10:10 amGod Bless You Bush!
Blacks in this country may be poor, and they may be uneducated, but they ain’t stupid.
October 14th, 2005 at 10:11 amGo Bush! You OWN!!!
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hahaha #328
October 14th, 2005 at 10:11 amWhile we’re on the subject, let’s give a major hats-off to the Congressional Black Caucus. In these scary Orwellian times, nobody has done more to fight the corrupt group of fascist zealots who have taken over our government. The CBC is one of the few legislative groups that has consistently fought for ALL of us against overwhelming odds. We’d be in even deeper poop if it wasn’t for the Congressional Black Caucus. We owe them a huge debt of gratitude.
October 14th, 2005 at 10:12 amanyone else here vote republican besides me?
October 14th, 2005 at 10:15 amThat’s what I meant earlier with the ‘youngster’ thing.
October 14th, 2005 at 10:15 amWhen u contradict a child he winces… like this iheartbush pal is doing… Cheers
sorry you didnt contradict me because i didnt have a statement anything for you to contradict.
October 14th, 2005 at 10:21 amwhoops, bad grammer, my fault.
October 14th, 2005 at 10:22 amGo Bush! You OWN!!!
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Harriet? Is that you?
October 14th, 2005 at 10:51 amStatistics: Polling on Bush
Of course, there is a 3.4% margin of error on the poll, so it’s possible that the unborn disapprove of George W. Bush’s performance as president.
October 14th, 2005 at 10:51 ami have a feeling that many of the black people in this country that dont like Bush, dislike him simply because they need someone to blame for their misfortunes (if they are poor) and they resent a rich white guy republican. Also, its “cool” to dislike bush.
October 14th, 2005 at 11:03 amWatch and listen as Mos Def address’s the president about katrina below:
http://www.presstheissue.org/index2.html
October 14th, 2005 at 11:26 amHere’s something to annoy you all. I am from Europe, I hate the Republican party and always. It’s not because I am some European snob looking down on America,most of Europe hates the Republican party because we are not affected by their misleading lies, we are not subjected to their constant smoke screening and mind washing rubbish you see on American TV. We dislike them because all we have to go on is facts and outcomes of their actions. I could go on about, climate problems,pollution, the evils of Exxon, the war, illegal trade embargos, the backing of hostile states YES ISRAEL!!! perhaps discuss who created most of the dictatorships we are supposedly putting down in our illegal wars, but I will not. I would just like all Americans to understand one thing, we do not hate America, you are our allie, we have fought and died together for a century and are proud to do so. We simply dislike the leadership that is hell bent on destroying the peace that so many sacrificed their lives for. We are encouraged that the American people are protesting outside of the WhiteHouse, we salute you, we are saddened that the protesters are arrested and the people give up too quickly. It’s sad that all the media ignores a protest against the leader of the country. The government in America has too much control I hope that the recent re-emergence of dissenting realigns the balance between the people and the government. Because if you think right now you are living free……look again…go on..you saw your freedom being beaten half to death by an innocent man in New Orleans this week. They are out of control and enough is enough.
October 14th, 2005 at 11:42 amIn Response to #338,
October 14th, 2005 at 11:49 amDid you lose you sight at birth or at a early age? You must be blind. Go hang out in a big city housing project for about 5 minute’s and if you are not lying to yourself you will come away feeling much different I am sure. Being poor doe’s not equate to being lazy it really has to do with the oppressive nature of our current and past goverment’s and there constant non-support of program’s to help out there fellow american’s – give us your rich, your poor, etc, etc- sound familiar. There no doubt they resent bushie boy – so do most ameican’s, but not because he’s white and rich but because it is blatantly obvious that his agenda is to feed the rich and starve the poor. Being that he is a republican (I just threw up my brekfast) has little to do with it, i am sure if a dem, green, libertarian etc were in the black house doing these same thing’s they would feel the same way. It’s just that no other party besides republican’s (I just threw up again) would do these thing’s. Being “cool” gas nothing to do w/ it, it has to do w/ doing and standing up for what is right. “REVOLUTION IS IN THE AIR”
First off, i lived in government housing in manhattan for over 17 years. I went to a high school which was almost 90 percent black. DOnt think im some hick that has never seen a black person before. Second, i did not say anything about black people being lazy..
Third, you say most of America resent him, how did he win 2004 then?
If His agenda to help the rich and steal from the poor is so blatent, why dont you enlighten me. Prove it. Actually prove it, not just say something from the anti-bush handbook.
And yes, democrats wouldnt do any of these things. (except for FDR, he brang America into world war 2 after our country got attack remember? anything like that happened recently?) They dont do much at all…
And lastly, alot of the minorities i know (im one of them, im not white) dislike bush, many do not know why except saying all he wants is oil. when i ask them how so, they cant answer. so yea most people do dislike bush because it is the hip thing to do.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:11 pmThird, you say most of America resent [Bush], how did he win 2004 then?
As we’ve said about five thousand times in this thread alone, by vote fraud. Rigged voting machines, illegally dropping likely Democratic voters from the rolls, and a whole host of other cheating.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:35 pmI went to a high school which was almost 90 percent black. DOnt think im some hick that has never seen a black person before.
Comment by iheartbush
Have you ever seen a hick before?
You write like one.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:38 pm“There is a war going on for the heart and soul of this country and middle of the road hog idiots like you will end up being collateral damage.
Comment by leftist gun nutâ€
Well, there you are, proving my point. I am not middle of the road by any stretch of the imagination. I am in the UK and as left as they get.
You think you are going to win anything by throwing around insults? Well fine, be a child, start a domestic war, but please don’t drag the rest of the world down with you.
Comment by katherine — October 14, 2005 @ 8:44 am
You should spend some time here. You might feel differently. Since you don’t live here, there is no point in wasting time arguing with you. If and when things ever got so bad in your homeland, you experienced the “fight or flight” response, you would know how ridiculous you sound to those of us who are living here with a population that is 30% fascists.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:45 pmAre you related to Neville Chamberlain by chance? You sound like him.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:46 pmKill A FReeper 4 Jesus, things HAVE got really bad in Britain, let me explain; Our Govt. is currently trying to push through legislation which will allow the police here to hold ANYONE on terrorist charges for 90 days without allowing access to a lawyer or being told why they are incarcerated.
It looks like it is going to become law here and if you/any American visit the UK you will also be subject to this law. It is already being misused: Jack Straw (our Foreign Secretary of a left-wing Govt. and an ardent Bush supporter) recently oversaw an 80yr old, clearly infirm gentleman, roughly removed from a Govt. conference because the elderly gent heckled Jack while Jack was spouting American right-wing BS. The old gent was then charged with ‘terrorist’ offences.
There are a lot of fascists here too and as I have stated already, because our Govt. is trying to influence yours (without any success) our left-wing Govt. is supporting whoever is in power in the US resulting in a left-wing British Govt. becoming more neoconservative by the day. There are a lot of British and European American allies who are seeking to distance themselves from you because of your extremist politics affecting ours and see #340 for more details.
You lead the world – what you do affects the lives of billions. Please do not misunderstand Katherine, she is simply scared too and she has a right to be.
One more comment; thank Goodness you have the CBC whom the whole world applauds for their efforts but they are too isolated – where are the voices of all the other intelligent Democrats in positions of power?
October 14th, 2005 at 1:40 pm#315 Gary – Thank you for your input.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:58 pm“It should matter to ALL Americans that you are losing allies.” It IS sad to lose allies at a time when Western civilization is under assault – but to capitulate and try to “make peace” with Muslim extremists is sheer lunacy. Did you learn nothing in July from the transportation bombings?? The vitually unfettered access much of Europe has provided for radical Islamofascists is surprisingly naive. Didn’t you folks learn from that foolish PM Neville “Let’s Make A Deal” Chamberlain that you can’t kiss a rttlesnake and hope they like you. To throw the lopsided Kyoto accords in was supposed to be the icing on your cake. When the Kyoto accords deals with the amount of Third World pollution exemption in the current draft – maybe we can revisit this topic. Please know many loyal Americans appreciate the brave efforts of your country’s military!
Kill A FReeper 4 Jesus, things HAVE got really bad in Britain, let me explain;
Comment by Gary
You don’t have to explain, Gary. I know they have gotten bad. This is because you cannot debate or dialogue with these people. Fortunately, they are destroying themselves. If they wanted to destroy “liberalism” and they do, they shoud have stayed out of Iraq. That was the quickest way to destroy conservatism. We are actually quite lucky they went. Paraphrasing historian H.W. Brands, war is the most liberaizing of endeavors a nation can engage in. Win or lose, war always tends to push a people towards liberalism. Peace tends to lead towards conservatism, and war. I want people to hate conservatism and conservatives. I do not want this century to be a “conservative” century. It may rear its ugly head again, some time in the future. If it does, I want people to grab a bat and smash it to death before it spreads, and takes us to war.
October 14th, 2005 at 2:15 pmHello all. WOW! I missed alot since yesterday. I will have to catch up.
October 14th, 2005 at 2:16 pmSo, how are all of you? Still hateful of all things Bush and conservitive? I thought so. Well, let’s get started…
#321 – “They weren’t elected. They were appointed by the Supreme Court, and they stole another term using rigged Diebold machines and all sorts of other cheating.
Comment by Gary Kleppe — October 14, 2005 @ 9:36 am”
Gary, coming from the notoriously corrupt “Chicagoland” area – I would think you would be the LAST one to whine incesantly about election fraud and “cheating”. Maybe this is “karma”, the “ying and the yang” or whatever New Age bullshit Progressive Dems are into. Seriously, I HOPE you are WILDLY SUCCESSFUL and succeed in turning the Dem ship in a more leftist direction!!!! Please continue to advocate cradle to grave social welfare. Please MAKE FUN of religion!!! I sincerely wish you the best in your endeavor!!!! YOU GO!!!!
October 14th, 2005 at 2:19 pmIt IS sad to lose allies at a time when Western civilization is under assault
Western civilization is under assault by neo-conservatism and conservatism, as usual. Islamic fundamentalism is form of conservatism, in any case. It is hardly as dangerous as a fascist America or Britain. Islamic fundamentalists don’t have an air force or a navy.
October 14th, 2005 at 2:20 pmI will try to stay on topic today. Black people polled said by a 98% to 2% margin that they disagreed with the performance of Pres Bush. Yikes. That hurts. Katrina has alot to do with that, I assume. The problem is that it is not the Fed’s resposibility to call for locals to evacuate. That is a State and local government responsibility. It did not happen. Who runs LA and New Orleans? Libs. There you go.
October 14th, 2005 at 2:25 pmRyan – we’re catching you up, totally agree.
Mighty A., we are not seeking to make peace with extremists but the majority of peaceful locals who resist an occupation of their country – the same previous peaceful locals American/British planes cluster-bombed in attempts to kill extremists identified in a rough area from their mobile phone signals, it’s crazy! Check out humanitarian websites for more details of these atrocities.
The only reason we were bombed in London was because of influence from your neocons, we became too involved despite massive public rejection of joining the war, come on, you don’t really think what happens in the middle-east stays within political boundaries?
I think the whole world has been guilty of providing all-too-easy access to terrorists and things are being tightened up in Europe e.g. bank account access etc. I am not an American so am unaware of your deficiencies but there must have been many due to the W.T towers being attacked twice, plus the Pentagon plus who-knows how many other innocent good Americans who have died over the years.
Finally, the Kyoto is a start – we need to start DOING something about CO2 NOW, tighten the limits over time, bring more Countries in as the protocol kicks in, not more discussions.
October 14th, 2005 at 2:30 pmNot one dime of Fed funds should go to rebuild that area. Locals should do it. There was enough funds for the Corps of Engineers to build a levy system in the last 20 years. The state of LA spent the funds elsewhere. Tough sh!t. Move if you don’t like it.
October 14th, 2005 at 2:30 pmFair enough Ryan. What is your question again?
October 14th, 2005 at 2:32 pmMaybe this is “karmaâ€, the “ying and the yang†or whatever New Age bullshit Progressive Dems are into. Seriously, I HOPE you are WILDLY SUCCESSFUL and succeed in turning the Dem ship in a more leftist direction!!!! Please continue to advocate cradle to grave social welfare. Please MAKE FUN of religion!!! I sincerely wish you the best in your endeavor!!!! YOU GO!!!
You continue to confuse the historical pattern for wingnuts to become more “active” at the turn of the century and the millenium with an actual resurgence in religious participation. It’s just a statistical blip like the crime rate increase and steady decrease over the last 40 years caused by the baby boomers growing through the crime commiting age demographic and then past it as they grew older. In 90 years, the end-timers will rear their pointy little, tin foil hat wearing heads again, but nothing like this last burst of millenial madness. No one has to make fun of religion. Some of those people can do that better than anyone else.
October 14th, 2005 at 2:32 pmGary, coming from the notoriously corrupt “Chicagoland†area – I would think you would be the LAST one to whine incesantly about election fraud and “cheatingâ€.
What, you figured I would’ve learned to stop worrying and love corruption by now? Idiot.
Maybe this is “karmaâ€, the “ying and the yang†or whatever New Age bullshit Progressive Dems are into.
Or maybe this is meaningless bullshit symbolism on your part because you have nothing of substance to say.
Seriously, I HOPE you are WILDLY SUCCESSFUL and succeed in turning the Dem ship in a more leftist direction!!!! Please continue to advocate cradle to grave social welfare. Please MAKE FUN of religion!!! I sincerely wish you the best in your endeavor!!!! YOU GO!!!!
Oh, of COURSE that’s what you hope.
Say, ‘fro, how about putting your money where your mouth is on this? How about a $5000 donation to the Congressional Black Caucus, or to Progressive Democrats of America? If you think turning the Democratic Party progressive is going to ensure victory for the Republicans, then it seems to me you should consider it money well spent.
October 14th, 2005 at 2:32 pmIt did not happen. Who runs LA and New Orleans? Libs. There you go.
Comment by Stubain
This is how he stays on topic? See you in 2006 and 2008, and please, lather, rinse, repeat, ad nauseum.
October 14th, 2005 at 2:37 pmOh, just a reminder. The Republican controlled Congress is less popular than Bush. Keep coming, Gen. Custer, keep on coming.
October 14th, 2005 at 2:39 pmCan you spell M-A-S-S-A-C-R-E?
October 14th, 2005 at 2:40 pm“Andrea Mitchell and David Gergen reported that the Bush administration uses the troops for PR more than any other administration before them.”
When you’ve lost Mrs. Greenspan, you may as well resign. The end is here.
October 14th, 2005 at 2:47 pmThis is what libs do. They whine and cry and call everyone names and stomp around and act foolish. Get a grip. Act like an adult. I will answer whatever questions you have. Don’t be a jerk – if you have a question, ask it. My time is far more valuable then to “search” for your questions.
October 14th, 2005 at 2:49 pmMaybe the wingers should check out the “new age bullshit” they know nothing about, and check into who all is embracing it. Not the clowns at FReep, that’s for sure.
http://noosphere.cc/integralpolitics.html
Blair, both Bushes, (but ony poppy half gets it, he’s only half as stupid as chimpy), everybody who is anybody on politics.
Good-bye, left-right. That was so 18th century.
October 14th, 2005 at 2:53 pmObviously way beyond Chimpy or Rove, any conservative. Wingnuts and religious fundies? Freepazoids? Fuggeddaboudit. Way beyond most of the masses, but this is what will keep people with brains and education in politics. The rest of us can stay down here with bats and pay whack-a-mole with conservatools whenever one pops his or her pointy little head out.
October 14th, 2005 at 3:03 pmPolitics
. I have been working with Drexel Sprecher, Lawrence Chickering, Don Beck, Jim Garrison, Jack Crittenden, and several others toward an all-level, all-quadrant political theory (in addition to working with the writings of political theorists too numerous to list). We have been involved with advisors to Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Tony Blair, and George W. Bush, among others. There is a surprisingly strong desire, around the world, to find a “Third Way” that unites the best of liberal and conservative—President Clinton’s Vital Center, George W. Bush’s Compassionate Conservatism, Germany’s Neue Mitte, Tony Blair’s Third Way, and Thabo Mbeki’s African Renaissance, to name a few—and many theorists are finding an all-level, all-quadrant framework to be the sturdiest foundation for such.
Lets not forget the mystical warrior nonsense of the republican nutjobs last week ON CAPITAL HILL! Considering hitler’s inner circle practiced new age religion – it’s not surprising that the NeoCons do as well.
That was hilarious. It reminds me of Hitler’s inner circle and the Spear of Longinus. Wingnuts.
October 14th, 2005 at 3:06 pmReligion and spirituality are not mutually inclusive. The more religious a person is, the less spiritual. I woud say they are almost mutually exclusive.
October 14th, 2005 at 3:08 pmRyan,
Not your problem? You brought it up. You….. you…. You’re witty you….
I did not say you were a jerk, I asked you not be a jerk. It’s understadible how your type would find this confusing.
Well, at any rate, I have a question for you, as off topic as it may be…
If someone is poor, is it inconceivable that they are there because of their own poor decision making? Even if they made good decisions and bad stuff happens, couldn’t one plan for things like lay-offs, health problems, or natural disasters, just to name a few? Now I know that you can’t plan for everything and even if you do, most things don’t go the way we think it will, but just thinking about what you are going to do if crap happens, would that not be a start?
October 14th, 2005 at 3:08 pmI knew it would not take long before the Nazi word came out in here. How typical.
October 14th, 2005 at 3:10 pmI ask this question because far too many libs say conserv’s hate the poor. We don’t hate the poor, we don’t understand them. We I don’t understand how in this country with so many jobs and opprotunity how they can make so many excuses and blame their miserable life on anything other than their own bad decisions.
October 14th, 2005 at 3:16 pmJudd misses the point – again!
You just wish any of your consevabog sites had this traffic. Scary, huh?
This is better:
Who’s listening?
The emerging Integral Politics approach has already caught the attention of advisors to Clinton, Gore, Blair and the Bushes (Bill even gave one Wilber book on how to integrate religion and science to Al who called it “one of my favorite new books” in a later New Yorker article he wrote).
In the UK, leading Blair advisor Geoff Mulgan urged all the Government’s key future strategists to study the Integral approach and try to put it into action in their new policies.
Integral Politics practitioners also achieved the feat of bringing together in dialogue the radical activists of the World Social Forum with their nemesis, the global business leaders of the World Economic Forum.
Recognising the importance of Wilber’s Integral vision, Prof. Charles Taylor – possibly the world’s most respected living philosopher – said: “I have tremendously appreciated Wilber’s work. He has managed to integrate so many things, and to keep his horizons open, where most of our culture keeps closing them down. It is magnificent work.”
Things are so bad at the RNC (scandals) that Newt is being dusted off as a possible candidate.
Gore v. Gingrich?
I can just see it now.
October 14th, 2005 at 3:28 pm“I knew it would not take long before the Nazi word came out in here. How typical.
Comment by Stubain”
And yet the NeoCon and PNAC organizations are disciples of Leo Strauss an admitted Nazi who taught at UofChicago. The fact is NeoCon (current republican) values ARE fascist values. Why do you think everything is about corporate and privitization? Fascism = corporatism. Read a book sometime, I can recommend some if you’d like.
“I ask this question because far too many libs say conserv’s hate the poor. We don’t hate the poor, we don’t understand them. ”
Wait, you claimed yesterday you were raised poor. How can you not understand the poor? Were you always stupid, or did you just get stupid recently? Or was that just a ‘fabrication’ and an ‘alias’ you created for yourself? You’re losing all of your credibility VERY quickly here rufus!
“We I don’t understand how in this country with so many jobs and opprotunity how they can make so many excuses and blame their miserable life on anything other than their own bad decisions.”
You know, that’s a great point. How about because most of the available jobs are quickly filled? Or how about because many of the jobs that remain open require specialized skills that those who are looking for jobs don’t have? Or maybe it’s the loss of MILLIONS of jobs in the last 5 years?
You seem amply willing to blame people without jobs, without realizing that situation is far more complicated than you say it is. CONservatives try to con the world into an easy answer – but life rarely has EASY answers. It’s typically compromise and baby steps.
Look, you’re cheap, we get it. The reality is that poverty programs when fully funded LIFT people out of poverty. Until reagan came into office poverty was on a steep and steady decline. Continued cuts in programs by republican after republican has driven more and more people into poverty. You bitch about ‘libs’, and yet Clinton is the only president in the 20+ years that lifted more people out of poverty than when he arrived in office.
Democrats do it better, republicans make MORE poor people. You’re not only right that republicans don’t understand poor people, you CREATE them with your ineptitude and misguided policies!
October 14th, 2005 at 3:29 pmI ask this question because far too many libs say conserv’s hate the poor. We don’t hate the poor, we don’t understand them. We I don’t understand how in this country with so many jobs and opprotunity how they can make so many excuses and blame their miserable life on anything other than their own bad decisions.
Comment by Stubain —
There are jobs where you live because nobody else wants to live there, stupid.
October 14th, 2005 at 3:32 pmAre you saying our current social safety net system works? You are just creating dependency. A dependency that only very few ever get away from because they are not made to be resposible for their actions and decisions. I lived in my truck because others should not have to pay for my bad decisions. That’s called practicing what you preach.
October 14th, 2005 at 3:33 pmBut I learned and kept going and never asked for a hand out. Never.
Never believe this canard. It’s aways a lie.
October 14th, 2005 at 3:37 pm“Religion and spirituality are not mutually inclusive. The more religious a person is, the less spiritual. I woud say they are almost mutually exclusive.
Comment by Kill A Freeper 4 Christ”
So true. I’ve heart described this way.
Religion is the path to dogma.
Spirituality is the path to divinity.
One of my favorite principles of hinduism is that it’s anti-dogmatic. It teaches you that to become truly enlightened you must eventually abandon the dogma and the ritual and find your own path. This was the principle which guided Siddhartha Gautama to become the buddha. Buddhism is in fact one fulfillment of the principles of hinduism as ’spirituality’ as opposed to ‘religion’.
It’s also non-centralized and there is not a ‘required’ book of hinduism. Very much the OPPOSITE of the desert faiths.
October 14th, 2005 at 3:37 pm“Are you saying our current social safety net system works? You are just creating dependency.”
See the question is a trap. Actually I said the system was working great BEFORE REAGAN.
” A dependency that only very few ever get away from because they are not made to be resposible for their actions and decisions. ”
Not true. Poverty and welfare halved between Johnson and Reagan. This is propaganda nonsense. MILLIONS were uplifted from poverty.
The biggest spending that used to be done for the poor wasn’t ‘welfare’, which is what conservatives always fixate on because of the images of the welfare queen, the biggest spending was on EDUCATION. The constant destruction of public education by religious and ‘corporate’ bigots who believe the government shouldn’t be in schooling have created more poverty than any other failure.
“I lived in my truck because others should not have to pay for my bad decisions. That’s called practicing what you preach.”
No, it’s called being a stupid redneck. If you had gone to get assistance (especially for the alcoholism), most likely you wouldn’t have put everyone else and yourself through unnecessary hell. Suffering unnecessarily doesn’t make you noble, it makes you stupid!
October 14th, 2005 at 3:42 pmThank you. Posting my quote from yesterday is flattering.
October 14th, 2005 at 3:44 pm“Thank you. Posting my quote from yesterday is flattering.
Comment by Stubain ”
A fool flatters easily and learns slowly…
October 14th, 2005 at 3:49 pmThe poor are full of entrepeneurs, they sold drugs for the CIA to fund AlQueda and the Contras during Reagan.
One man’s crook is another man’s non-disclosed funding source.
There’s a reason the president’s approval has dropped like a rock! When you get a drop from 90% to 36% (55% decline) – this is an IDENTICAL drop to that of Nixon. Before Watergate Nixon peaked at 67% and at rock bottom and resignation he bottomed out at 23%. While Nixon’s overall approval rating was obviously lower at the end of his collapse than Bush’s ‘currently’ is by a few percentage points – the percentage drop is virtually identical!
In otherwords bush has squandered as much good will as Nixon did through his ineptitude and mismanagement. That’s the REAL story!
Only 2% of african americans approve of the president. Only 37% of ALL americans approve him. Less than 30% approve of republican policies. So now we know that 37% of the population is stupid, crazy, racist and hateful – it’s time for the other 63% to take back the country!
Clearly he has no mandate, and is has nothing to offer that the majority of americans are willing to buy. But then again, it’s because he has delivered the REAL bag of crap that is republicanism – instead of the empty lies told to try and get elected!
October 14th, 2005 at 3:51 pmExcuses excuses. You think being resposible for your own actions is stupid. After Katrina everything on the news and in print was all about the poor and how it’s someone elses fault they are where they are. It’s absurd. Welfare has not lifted one person out of poverty. They did it themselves. It’s understandable that people need a hand at times, I can go along with that. But to say that “religious and ‘corporate’ bigots” create poverty is bogus. It’s ridiculous.
It must be miserable to hate so much. I think conversations like this go over the top at times but are none the less a way to see what people on the other side of the political isle think. I disagree with you wholeheartedly, but I don’t hate “you” like you hate “me.” It’s okay though, I have thick skin, I can take it.
October 14th, 2005 at 3:58 pmRyan, dude, come on. You posted the same thing like 4 times. We read it the first time. It is becoming really repetitive.
October 14th, 2005 at 4:03 pmAre you saying our current social safety net system works? You are just creating dependency. A dependency that only very few ever get away from because they are not made to be resposible for their actions and decisions.
Our system of hospitals and medicine creates dependency. A dependency that no one ever really gets away from. Have you ever heard of anyone who could truthfully say that he would never again need medical care? Neither have I. Clearly, we need to close down all of our hospitals.
Our system of paying people for their work also creates dependency. Most of us would be in deep doo-doo if those paychecks didn’t keep coming. Clearly, we need to re-institute slavery.
Oh, and stubbs, wingnuts like yourself who dispense advice and opinions create dependency. (Or would, if anyone actually listened to you. But never mind that.) When you try to tell someone what to think, it keeps people from coming up with these ideas on their own. Clearly, it is your duty to quit posting here and go away.
October 14th, 2005 at 4:08 pmyou are a little out of your league here. Let those of us who have a clue discuss things.
October 14th, 2005 at 4:17 pmIn other words, you have no response.
I don’t want to create dependency here, but a bit of advice: When you have nothing to say, keeping quiet might be the best thing to do.
October 14th, 2005 at 4:21 pmGary,
October 14th, 2005 at 4:29 pmI have no response because what you said made no sense. I know you and Ryan are nutty libs, but at least he makes a decent point every now and then.
Just try telling me how the arguments I made are any different than your argument that we shouldn’t try helping the poor because that creates dependency.
Because if there isn’t any difference between them, then they must either all be true, or all be false.
October 14th, 2005 at 4:32 pmStubborn idiot,
First of all most people who receive WELFARE are children – you probably didn’t know or care about that. If you wish to have starving children, then why don’t you just gas them like your buddie hitler did, or eat them like some african rightwingers did…
As for being ‘out of your league’, this is a progressive forum, not one for you and your passive aggressive ‘blame the commies’ paranoid freaks. YOU are out of your league and too stupid to know it.
“Ryan, dude, come on. You posted the same thing like 4 times. We read it the first time. It is becoming really repetitive.
Comment by Stubain”
And yet you steel don’t learn. Stupid is as stupid does.
October 14th, 2005 at 4:56 pmNice. Hitler is out of the bag. Very Mature.
October 14th, 2005 at 5:02 pm“Excuses excuses. You think being resposible for your own actions is stupid. ”
Actually that’s what I was going to say about you. Society PERMITS you to be responsible, and even assists you in ways you couldn’t know.
“After Katrina everything on the news and in print was all about the poor and how it’s someone elses fault they are where they are. It’s absurd. ”
Well lets see, first of all it isn’t absurd, it’s just painful. And when people like you see it, you don’t want to have any SOCIETAL responsibility so you reject this out of pain.
“Welfare has not lifted one person out of poverty. ”
Such a bullshit and FRAMED argument, you must be a bitch to know in real life. If this is how you argue you’re just insane. First of all Welfare isn’t designed to LIFT someone, that’s what the OTHER social programs are for you retarded moron! Welfare is designed to keep people from starving and being homeless long enough for them to get on their feet. Sell MOST of welfare goes to children, but since you’re a heartless fool, I’m sure you’d rather those people be starving!
“They did it themselves. ”
And here I thought a storm did it, and that FEMA abandoned those who were left behind – silly me for paying attention to facts. Many people were too poor to get transportation, and when they tried to walk out through white neighborhoods THEY WERE SHOT AT! God you’re an idiot!
“It’s understandable that people need a hand at times, I can go along with that. But to say that “religious and ‘corporate’ bigots†create poverty is bogus. It’s ridiculous.”
They do create it through policies that undermine school, health and economic opportunities. History shows it. When corporations and religious people have their way (republicans in power) poverty rises – it drops with democrats in power.
How do you respond to those FACTS?
“It must be miserable to hate so much. I think conversations like this go over the top at times but are none the less a way to see what people on the other side of the political isle think. I disagree with you wholeheartedly, but I don’t hate “you†like you hate “me.†It’s okay though, I have thick skin, I can take it. ”
Funny I was thinking the same thing about you. You seem to really hate poor people and those who want to help them. Your ‘people can help themselves’ is a form of hatred and a sense of self superiority that’s out of context with reality. Is it because you hate yourself, or you hate your father because HE was a poor failure? You were raised poor – right? If it was so easy, why was your father a failure?
October 14th, 2005 at 5:04 pm“Nice. Hitler is out of the bag. Very Mature.
Comment by Stubain ”
Actually this crop is more like Mussolini than hitler, but there are similarities…
Read a book sometime you semi-literate moron!
October 14th, 2005 at 5:05 pmhttp://www.buzzflash.com/hartmann/05/08/har05008.html
Like I said yesterday, I admit I am just as nutty as the rest of you. At least I can admit it. The difference between you nutty libs and me is that although I truely believe the US would be a better place with more personal resposibility and less govenment (tax payer)hand outs but (here’s the catch) I leave myself room to be wrong. I could very well be wrong. Not nutty libs. No, Sir. It’s my way of thinking or you are stupid, a nazi, an ignorant redneck, and so on and so on. You people are absolutists who make excuses like it’s an art.
October 14th, 2005 at 5:13 pmIf you’re gonna be a fascist, read the lit. You don’t even know where your own philosophies come from you stupid redneck!
“At least I can admit it. The difference between you nutty libs and me is that although I truely believe the US would be a better place with more personal resposibility and less govenment (tax payer)hand outs but (here’s the catch) I leave myself room to be wrong.”
And you’d be wrong.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1798944,00.html
But you’re a republican, please don’t let a preconception stand in the way of reality. The 8000 year old flat earth might shatter if you were to realize you’re wrong.
October 14th, 2005 at 5:19 pm” I leave myself room to be wrong. I could very well be wrong. Not nutty libs. No, Sir.”
This idea forms the foundation of liberalism you retard. The difference is that we actually do the RESEARCH and look at OTHER COUNTRIES and HISTORY to assess reality. You just go by your own personal experience and believe everyone should follow your personal example. This kind of individual arrogance is common among those of limited experience and limited education.
Like I said – read a book, it will do you good! Clearly your biggest issue is ‘igorance’, and that can be cured with education!
October 14th, 2005 at 5:21 pmPoor people were shot at when they walked through white neighborhoods? Simply not true. Check your facts. And the poor in New Orleans were poor before the storm. The local authorities (Gov Blanco and the Mayor) let hundreds of school busses sit idle instead of using them to transport those who could not afford to get out of the city.
October 14th, 2005 at 5:30 pmPoverty rises when Repubs are in power? I don’t think so. Home ownership (especially in the black community) has skyrocketted under the Bush admin. I don’t hate the poor. Nor do I wish ill to those who are in a bad situation, I think that people are far smarter than the Gov (both sides) give them credit for. Libs want to hand out life’s necessities like it’s a right. As if to say, “you can’t possibly do anything on your own, you need gov to do it for you.” I simply disagree with that mentality .
You have just proved my point, Ryan. If others don’t agree with you than they are stupid and ignorant. In your mind it is not possible you could wrong. Thus, everyone should follow my way of thinking. Sounds to me that you are the arrogant one. My education is not the issue here. I am quite educated and very well read. What is needed is the gov needs to stop thinking they know better how people should live their lives than they do.
October 14th, 2005 at 5:46 pm“Thus, everyone should follow my way of thinking”
October 14th, 2005 at 5:54 pmshould be
“Thus, everyone should follow your way of thinking”
I have to run “like a little girl” now and do some work. All of you nutty libs take care.
October 14th, 2005 at 6:53 pmYou have just proved my point, Ryan. If others don’t agree with you than they are stupid and ignorant. In your mind it is not possible you could wrong.
I don’t think he is wrong. Neither did the Founders of this country and sane Republicans, who dissappeared from the political landscape when Eisenhower died. perhaps they were wrong, but you’d have to take that up with them.
October 14th, 2005 at 7:14 pmPoor people were shot at when they walked through white neighborhoods? Simply not true.
True. And they weren’t just poor, they were all peope trying to leave the city, as they were told to do.
October 14th, 2005 at 7:16 pmStubain has discovered the Marxism of the right, and he hasn’t had to learn strange foreign words, ike “proletariat”. He will never give it up, until you pry his cold dead fingers from his ears. He’s a Libertarian! Although he subscribes to a faux political philosophy, hatched like a bad plot in a suburban living room some 40 years ago, he’s on a mission from dead man like Jefferson, Paine, Locke and Smith who can’t speak and tell him he’s a crackpot. Libertarians! Individualists unite!
October 14th, 2005 at 7:25 pm“How interesting how one person’s freedom fighter is another’s terrorist. ” – Bzzzzz
Spoken like a true traitor!!!
#307 “The United States is economically a debtor nation, so it really should care what the rest of the world thinks of the idiot leading them.
October 14th, 2005 at 8:01 pmComment by Stephie — October 14, 2005 @ 4:50 am
BRILLIANT STEPHIE (applaud, applaud.) Now sit down and shut up or you won’t get paid the billions we spend to kill people who would LOVE to see YOU dead!!! You’re welcome!!
“Poor people were shot at when they walked through white neighborhoods? Simply not true. Check your facts. ”
I did check my facts UNLIKE YOU. That’s my point exactly. You come and make claims based on YOUR experience, and not based in fact, or context.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/10/11579/3219
http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/news/2748/police-trapped-thousands-new-orleans
“The local authorities (Gov Blanco and the Mayor) let hundreds of school busses sit idle instead of using them to transport those who could not afford to get out of the city.”
Actually it was FEMA that forbade them from using the buses because they didn’t have air conditioning. Once again, you listen to too much faux news, and don’t get out enough! No wonder you’re a stupid republican! You never bother to check your facts!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/19/21446/6996
“Poverty rises when Repubs are in power? I don’t think so. ”
Well, what you THINK and what’s true seem to not cross very often. For someone with such a strong belief in your correctness, you some to come incredibly unarmed with reality.
Poverty rates by president as they left office President as a percentage of population.
Carter 12.3 -> 11.7 – dropped
Reagan 12.3 -> 13.4 – increased
GHBush 13.4 -> 14.2 – increased
Clinton 14.2 -> 11.3 – dropped
GWBUsh 11.3 -> 12.7 – increased
So while you THINK you’re right on poverty, the FACTS show you’re wrong!
“Home ownership (especially in the black community) has skyrocketted under the Bush admin.”
Actually home ownership increases are identical to those of white people, (~2%) but since home ownership is so low in the african american community – this is less of an improvement than most would like to see. And an increase in middle and upper class home ownership unfortunately isn’t even related to poverty. Your statements about ‘poverty’ immediately made you say black – even though the MAJORITY of poor people in america are white. Why is that? Easy. Because as a republican bigot, you always associate ‘entitlement’ as a gift to the black man. You’re a bigot, by the very nature of your phrasing of the answer. A stupid racist moron!
“I don’t hate the poor. ”
Actually my bet is you hate black people more than poor people, but being a bigot, it’s clear these are inseparable when you talk about entitlement programs.
“Nor do I wish ill to those who are in a bad situation, I think that people are far smarter than the Gov (both sides) give them credit for. ”
Really? Is that why you recommend letting children starve? Because MOST people who receive welfare ARE CHILDREN you butthead! The people are smart, but when transportation is not affordable, or available, it clearly shows we have a REAL poverty problem. The issue isn’t welfare, it’s programs to educate and help people find their OWN opportunity. When all you’ve known your whole life is misery and racism – a helping hand to help people find a better life is EXACTLY what poor people need – not some jackass white bigot telling them that they need to pull themselves up with the boostraps. They already know that you dipshit!
“Libs want to hand out life’s necessities like it’s a right. ”
Wow, so you think making sure children have a roof over their head and food is wrong? Wow, you are a stupid sick bastard – that’s for sure!
“As if to say, “you can’t possibly do anything on your own, you need gov to do it for you.†I simply disagree with that mentality .”
And yet if your delusion were true and these welfare families teach dependency, and as is often the ‘lore’ among rednecks (they have babies like crazy) – then why isn’t the number of the chronic poor doubled? If an woman has the ‘4+’ kids that we often hear from rightwing morons – then the number of welfare kids should be TWICE what it was 20 years ago (hell because most people on welfare are children it should be 4 times). Yet that isn’t the case – why is that? Because you guys all live in the land of lore and propaganda. There’s NO rational basis for your arguments. The numbers DO NOT ADD UP. You’re just a bunch of stupid rednecks who hate black people, and who dream of the welfare queen THAT DOES NOT EXIST!
October 14th, 2005 at 8:04 pm“BRILLIANT STEPHIE (applaud, applaud.) Now sit down and shut up or you won’t get paid the billions we spend to kill people who would LOVE to see YOU dead!!! You’re welcome!!”
This isn’t your website, you’re not even a GUEST here. You shut down you racist, homophobic, zionist bitch!
October 14th, 2005 at 8:06 pm“How interesting how one person’s freedom fighter is another’s terrorist. †– Bzzzzz
Spoken like a true traitor!!!
#307 “The United States is economically a debtor nation, so it really should care what the rest of the world thinks of the idiot leading them.
Comment by Stephie — October 14, 2005 @ 4:50 am
BRILLIANT STEPHIE (applaud, applaud.) Now sit down and shut up or you won’t get paid the billions we spend to kill people who would LOVE to see YOU dead!!! You’re welcome!!
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 14, 2005 @ 8:01 pm
You are a “pro-wresting” fan, right? Or whatever that crap is called. Admit it.
October 14th, 2005 at 8:09 pmI confess, one of the all time great moments in “wrestling” was when John Stossel got knocked on his ass. Although at the time I was a fan of his, now I love to watch that clip over and over again. You see what a little brain damage will do to you? It’ll turn you into a conservative.
October 14th, 2005 at 8:13 pm#361 – “Say, ‘fro, how about putting your money where your mouth is on this? How about a $5000 donation to the Congressional Black Caucus, or to Progressive Democrats of America? If you think turning the Democratic Party progressive is going to ensure victory for the Republicans, then it seems to me you should consider it money well spent.
Comment by Gary Kleppe — October 14, 2005 @ 2:32 pm”
Why are you guys such panhandlers? You have enough “limo libs” – like the self described “fat cat”- to foot the bills. But on a serious note, have you tried hitting up the fabulously wealthy, Mrs. Heinz-Kerry, master currency trader, George $oro$ or story-teller extraordinaire, Michael Moore to come up with $$$.
As for the Congressional LIBERAL Black Caucus, I NEVER give $$$ or time to a group sooooo enamoured with Fidel Castro – watching “Rev.” Jesse hug Fidel was sickening. But I noticed he had the cultural good taste to NOT wear his $1600.- threads – a bit too warm-but none the less, always thinking of others!! But perhaps the Liberal Black Caucus – who failed to invite conservative Blacks to join them, could use the following slogan to drum up more moderate support: “VICTIM$ FOR VICTORY – REMEMBER EVERY DEPENDENT DEPENDS ON US!!!!!!
I’m off to dinner with Mr. Aphrodite – a Republican fundraiser, who knew!!!!
October 14th, 2005 at 8:30 pm#415- This isn’t your website, you’re not even a GUEST here. You shut down you racist, homophobic, zionist bitch! Comment by “FAT Cat — October 14, 2005 @ 8:06 p
Temper…Temper…. you whiney “fat cat”.
#416 – You are a “pro-wresting†fan, right? Or whatever that crap is called. Admit it.
October 14th, 2005 at 8:42 pmComment by Tom Paine — October 14, 2005 @ 8:09 pm
No, Tom, I know pro-wrestling is FAKE. But I hear that Ryan Neat is REALLY into it – (and to quote my favourite VP) “BIG TIME”! Good night!!
Might Windbag, why do you hate jews and christians so much?
It’s interesting to contrast your “screw-the-poor†comments with those attributed to Christ, such as, “What you do for the least of these, you do for me,†or with a typical Hebrew proverb, such as, “When a needy man stands at your door, God stands at his side.†And, of course, to idiots like you or corporate mouthpieces like Limbaugh, agnostic or “pagan†humanists (such as Thomas Paine) who might suggest assisting the poor don’t count at all.
You’re a Nazi Bitch, and that’s all there is to it!
Has anyone told you that your writings are becoming increasingly unintelligible and incoherent grammatically? Has the Zolof worn of? Go get another batch – this one’s bad!
October 14th, 2005 at 8:43 pmGary,
It’s because MightyManWhore doesn’t actually BELIEVE what he says, he just PRAYS it’s true. If he believed it, he’d be in Iraq fighting, but he doesn’t so instead he goes to a chicken dinner to sit and bitch with the rest of the under 80 IQ set…
October 14th, 2005 at 8:45 pmI saw an african suckin a woody wood pecker under the New Orleans levy.That’s probably why it failed.And the Republican presidency.Not to mension christian moral values.
October 14th, 2005 at 9:26 pmStubain has discovered the Marxism of the right, and he hasn’t had to learn strange foreign words, ike “proletariatâ€. He will never give it up, until you pry his cold dead fingers from his ears. He’s a Libertarian! Although he subscribes to a faux political philosophy, hatched like a bad plot in a suburban living room some 40 years ago, he’s on a mission from dead man like Jefferson, Paine, Locke and Smith who can’t speak and tell him he’s a crackpot. Libertarians! Individualists unite!
Comment by Tom Paine
October 14th, 2005 at 10:35 pmHow many times do I have to say it? I already know I am a crackpot. Sheesh.
October 14th, 2005 at 10:35 pmSo, how are all of you nutty libs today?
October 14th, 2005 at 10:43 pmCome on Ryan, don’t get your panties in a twist. Does this mean we’re not friends anymore?
October 14th, 2005 at 10:47 pm“Really? Is that why you recommend letting children starve? Because MOST people who receive welfare ARE CHILDREN you butthead! ”
Your thoughts are a little distorted. I never recommended anything of the sort. And, of course, you know that. Your type is very sutle about putting words in people’s mouths. And most welfare is FOR children but goes to their parents.
You…. You…. You’re good, you…
October 14th, 2005 at 10:59 pmI’m off to dinner with Mr. Aphrodite – a Republican fundraiser, who knew!!!!
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 14, 2005 @ 8:30 pm
From conservative to convict in three easy steps.
Going to a posh restaruant with Kneel Boortz?
Boortz: Faced with an impending national disaster, “we should save the rich people first”
You guys are like herpes, (you probaby have herpes), the gift that keeps on giving. First Bennett, now Boortz. I can see Limbaugh getting dumped again soon.
They don’t even make rich folks like they used too.
It used to be women (Paris Hilton will be indispensible), children and the infirm. I’m not sure which of those three groups Michael Jackson fits into best. All three? We do know how Boortz woud be dressed if he was on a sinking ship. A cross between Michael Jackson and Paris Hilton. That would be enough for me to jump overboard, or go down with the ship, rather than get in a lifeboat with it. I don’t know who we should save first. I do know who we should shoot first. The last words he hears before the “Bang!â€â€¦
October 14th, 2005 at 11:17 pmI do know who we should shoot first. The last words he hears before the “Bang!â€â€¦
“Kneel Boortz”
October 14th, 2005 at 11:20 pm“I’m serious about that, folks. You see, that’s the kind of thing that’s going to end up in news stories: “Neal Boortz said that in times of disaster we should save the rich people first.” Well, hell, yes, we should save the rich people first. You know, they’re the ones that are responsible for this prosperity. I mean, you go out there and you look at this vast sea of evacuees, OK? You want to get an economy going in some city? Well, who you gonna take back? The people who own businesses? Or the people that sit around waiting to get their minimum wage job, work ’til Friday, get a paycheck and then not show up again until the following Wednesday? Come on. Just put a little logical thought into this, folks.”
-Neil Boortz
Who is this guy? I am now a big fan. Or perhaps I will listen to Air America… Naw, I couldn’t compete with all of their 3 listeners.
October 14th, 2005 at 11:48 pmI will catch all of you nutty libs another day. I am off to trample the weak and hurdle the dead. Dirka Dirka Jihad! Chirpa Chirpa.
October 14th, 2005 at 11:52 pm“Well, hell, yes, we should save the rich people first. You know, they’re the ones that are responsible for this prosperity. I mean, you go out there and you look at this vast sea of evacuees, OK?”
Actually New Orleans is a great example of what goes wrong with disproportionate prosperity. The wealthy are VERY wealthy there, and everyone else is poor. The local economy involves incredible amounts of trade and shipping, and yet ‘prosperity’ is nonexistent. As latin american and Nigeria have shown, the ‘wealthy’ and prosperity for a nation are not the same, and in fact are typically in conflict.
But you just keep smoking the wacky weed. If your story is true (and frankly I’m quite sure it’s all just a lie), then you’ve transition from a poor lout, to a rich lout, without ever becoming a human being. How sad for you!
October 15th, 2005 at 12:08 am“Come on Ryan, don’t get your panties in a twist. Does this mean we’re not friends anymore?
Comment by Stubain”
I’m not your type, you should schedule a date with I-Right-I, he’s probably more what you’re into…
October 15th, 2005 at 12:09 am““Really? Is that why you recommend letting children starve? Because MOST people who receive welfare ARE CHILDREN you butthead! â€
Your thoughts are a little distorted. I never recommended anything of the sort. And, of course, you know that. Your type is very sutle about putting words in people’s mouths. And most welfare is FOR children but goes to their parents.
You…. You…. You’re good, you…
Comment by Stubain ”
And yet the children are fed because of that money – so therefore the money is FOR the children. You do realize that the money and how it is spent is actually regulated by social services – right? Oh wait, once again, you don’t know anything…
Actually YOU put the words in your own mouth, but your ignorance of the fact is what’s at issue…
The money is FOR and USED FOR children. I’m sure the school lunch program is diverted to mom’s welfare fur too? You’re an IDIOT. No one enjoys you here, you’re just another jackass with a smart mouth, who has WAY to high of an opinion of himself, with no basis for that.
You never answered my previous question, so I guess it hit too close to home. Were you a union worker when you used to work? Because if you were, that was a handout!
October 15th, 2005 at 12:13 amAnd Stubborn Asshole,
You didn’t respond to the copious amounts of smackdowns I gave you on all of the lies you posted. Gave up? Or just realized that you preferred to try to make a snide passive aggressive mark since you actually didn’t have any REAL arguments to make.
Once again, you make wild claims, that the facts don’t support. The facts I posted, showed you were wrong. And the best you can do is make a joke. What a useless bag of crap. You certainly ARE a republican, you aren’t even capable of ARGUING, let alone work. No wonder you struggled at minimum wage for decades, whoever gave you a ‘break’, must have been desperate for manpower!
October 15th, 2005 at 12:15 amNaw, I couldn’t compete with all of their 3 listeners.
Never underestimate the enemy.
October 15th, 2005 at 2:11 amRyan,
To answer your question about the union… No, I was never a member the class warfare pimps. They only want wealth distribution. Unions think job security is a right and cause more harm than good by creating artificially high wages (among other burdens on business) which just raises costs for consumers. They served their purpose when employers didn’t provide a safe working environment, but that is no longer the case. I have no use for unions.
As for comment about my father being a failure, that was a rather classless comment, but I expected such nonsense from a nutty lib.
October 15th, 2005 at 12:46 pmNever underestimate the enemy.
Comment by The Enemy
Why do you think I am here? I by no means underestimate the enemy. The only media outlet conservitives have is talk radio. The nutty libs have a firm grip on broadcast (although FOX News is having an impact)and print media . And don’t get me started on how vastly lib college campuses are. I am accutely aware that underestimating the enemy would be a huge mistake.
“Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.”
You “hate America” and “blame America first” crowd are America’s number 1 enemy. You cause more hell, hate, and discontent than any of our foriegn enemies.
October 15th, 2005 at 1:07 pmNever underestimate the enemy.
Comment by The Enemy
Why do you think I am here? I by no means underestimate the enemy. The only media outlet conservatives have is talk radio. The nutty libs have a firm grip on broadcast (although FOX News is having an impact) and print media. And don’t get me started on how vastly lib college campuses are. I am acutely aware that underestimating the enemy would be a huge mistake.
“Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.”
You “hate America” and “blame America first” crowd are America’s number 1 enemy. You cause more hell, hate, and discontent than any of our foreign enemies.
October 15th, 2005 at 1:09 pmRyan,
I found the article you quoted on post #438. It came from the Washington post (go figure) by Paul Farhi and, of course, you took what you wanted to read and ignored the rest. Below was also in the very same article.
“WRC, which turned to a liberal talk format in January by adding Al Franken and some of his “Air America” crew, was nowhere to be found. It captured less than 0.1 percent of the audience, too low to be counted.”
Conservatives = “Believes what they see.”
Liberals = “Sees what they believe”
Yeah, I can Google too.
October 15th, 2005 at 1:33 pm“Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.â€
Let’s quote Mario Puzo day!
What a tool.
October 15th, 2005 at 2:07 pmConservatives = “Believes what they see.â€
Liberals = “Sees what they believeâ€
Heheh. He’s believes what he sees.
October 15th, 2005 at 2:10 pmThis guy is a Marxist of the right. The archetypal anti-communist. The most dangerous ideologues on the planet. They will all be dead in thirty years. Violently, if necessary. Most will just die out.
October 15th, 2005 at 2:13 pm“I am the rich you ignorant moron! You do need to pay attention, as all you’ve spouted are untrue stereotypes and hateful nonsense!
Comment by Ryan Neat — October 13, 2005 @ 5:26 pm ”
Stubain, here is an excellent example of an angry, guilty “fat cat” – and from his tone, I’d say he had some, psssst,….issues.
October 15th, 2005 at 6:24 pmDestroy the GOP. Refute and eliminate all conservative lies from the public discourse. Bury all Republican candidates in all upcoming elections. Excise this festering cancer from the body politic once and for all, for our children.
October 16th, 2005 at 12:56 amRyan,
That was an impressive example of nutty lib hate speech. You keystone nutty libs… There were a few things that you missed or just outright fabricated..
“Is that so? Is that why so many employees have sued Wal-Mart lately? Because there’s NO NEED for unions?”
Of all the thousands of successful businesses in this country you chose Wal Mart? Of course you would, it’s an easy target. I have been boycotting Wal Mart for years. There are laws in place to keep Wal Mart from doing what they are doing, thus making unions useless. No union is needed and the proof is the successful lawsuits.
“Unions were also designed to protect against exploitive hiring and firing practices – something that Wal-Mart recently was discovered to practice in with illegal workers.”
AGAIN (this is tiring), there are laws that prohibit exploitive hiring and firing practices. Thus, unions are unnecessary. You are right about the skyrocketing earnings for CEOs. Great! They earned it.
“And why are the wages ‘artificially’ high again? What would make them ‘natural’ versus ‘artificial’?”
This is an easy one… The workers want as much money and benefits for their work as possible and they think they need someone else to negotiate for them. So they join a union and pay money to have someone else speak for them. The company is then forced to make a choice; raise pay and benefits or deal with a strike. This takes focus off of safety, marketing, and the general running of a business, which hurts everyone. Plus, unions make it impossible to get rid of the deadweight lazies and quality suffers, thus sales suffer and the business loses money.
“You’re claiming both that your father is poor, and that if you just work hard, you won’t be poor. So does that mean your father didn’t work hard? Or that he was stupid? Or what?”
You nutty libs… I get a chuckle out of you every time you open your soup coolers. I said that my father WAS poor. I never claimed he IS poor any longer. He did exactly what I say poor people should do, take your lumps and keep moving forward. Learn to comprehend what you read. Also, I never claimed to have never gone to college. I did go to college and had one hoot of a time listening to you left winger spew your filth.
Check the ratings and compare Fox News to the other big name news organizations. Also check the talk radio ratings, in total listeners, conservative talk radio blows the doors off the “hate America” speech radio.
“Considering that it’s republicans who incite the violence and hate around the world and create our foreign enemies, your stupidness makes it impossible for you to see the truth right before your eyes.”
Wasn’t Jimmy Carter Pres when Iran took hostages on 4 Nov, 1979? And wasn’t Slick Willy Pres when the World Trade Center was bombed on February 26, 1993? And those are just the tip of the iceberg. There have been so many terror attacks in the name of Islam that you just about can’t count them all. Bottom line is these blood thirsty rat bastards kill as many “infidels” as possible regardless of who is pres.
Here are a few sites that list just a handful of the attacks.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/pubs/fs/5902.htm
http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/page7930.asp
Just a side note, the terrorists are motivated when they see nutty libs hysterically running around screaming tolerance and “let’s understand why they saw people’s heads off and blow up women and children.” This war would end sooner if the nutty libs would support freedom in Iraq, support the troops and not undermine the mission, and stop motivating the enemy.
“You never responded to my points about the republicans illegally funding, training and recruiting AlQueda. You never responded to the republicans selling WMDs to Iraq over the protests of democrats.”
This is easy, too. You are right, there is no excuse for this.
“7 of 9 founding fathers were DEISTS and ULTRA LIBERALS.”
Where did this come from? If the founding fathers were as nutty as you are we would have been conquered many years ago and we would probably be speaking Japanese or German and America would not be the as grand as it is. There is more opportunity here than anywhere in the world, even with all of the problems we have. Just look at the illegal and legal immigration we have. People have flooded to America for hundreds of years and they flood this country still today just for a chance at a better life. And yet you nutty libs tell the world how much you hate your own country.
More to follow…
October 16th, 2005 at 2:09 pm“Of all the thousands of successful businesses in this country you chose Wal Mart? Of course you would, it’s an easy target. I have been boycotting Wal Mart for years. There are laws in place to keep Wal Mart from doing what they are doing, thus making unions useless. No union is needed and the proof is the successful lawsuits.”
Successful? WOW YOU’RE STUPID! People have been losing suits against walmart for 2 decades, why do you think they’re talking about a union? How can so many nitwits be so proud of what they ‘think’ they know? You are a great example of the delusion of your entire party. It’s not that you don’t know anything, it’s that everything you THINK you know is clearly wrong and EASILY debunked.
http://www.wakeupwalmart.com/facts/
And what protections do exist have been SERIOUSLY eroded by this administration. Worker safety is NOT considered a priority by this administration. And they are desperately trying to end the right of and cap any payments of class action lawsuits. The results are that not only are the laws going away, but so is the right of invidividuals to sue. Or didn’t you know that? Of course not, you’re an idiot!
“You nutty libs… I get a chuckle out of you every time you open your soup coolers. I said that my father WAS poor. I never claimed he IS poor any longer. He did exactly what I say poor people should do, take your lumps and keep moving forward. Learn to comprehend what you read. Also, I never claimed to have never gone to college. I did go to college and had one hoot of a time listening to you left winger spew your filth.”
And yet he obviously was poor all through your childhoold – unless you lied? So you’re saying he spent 20 years being poor, when it’s easy to not be poor? You’re the one spewing filth, I’m the one asking you to clarify your story. The more you tell it, the more it just doesn’t add up.
“Check the ratings and compare Fox News to the other big name news organizations. Also check the talk radio ratings, in total listeners, conservative talk radio blows the doors off the “hate America†speech radio.”
Once again, you miss the point. None of the major outlets are liberal, they’re all right wing hate speech against liberals. You’re just so used to it, you don’t realize this is also HATE AMERICA. Liberalism IS america! Remember FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY for the individual was the most left wing idea of the 18th century, and the religious europe thought we were all mad lefties – and we were. The only people that hate america is YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS! We hate that you do evil things IN OUR NAME – that don’t represent american values. But since you DON’T REPRESENT AMERICAN VALUES, it isn’t america we hate. See how that works? It’s call reason – something that you learn when you go to school. Pick up a book sometime and read about it!
“Ryan,
That was an impressive example of nutty lib hate speech. You keystone nutty libs… There were a few things that you missed or just outright fabricated..”
Not true, you haven’t posted any proof to the contrary. What other resources do you need cited? Oh wait, republicans don’t trust sources, they only trust their own prejudices – I almost forgot.
“Just a side note, the terrorists are motivated when they see nutty libs hysterically running around screaming tolerance and “let’s understand why they saw people’s heads off and blow up women and children.†This war would end sooner if the nutty libs would support freedom in Iraq, support the troops and not undermine the mission, and stop motivating the enemy.”
Bahaha, now WHERE did you get that piece of lie – limbaugh? The CIA said that the largest motivator for new AlQueda recruitment came from REPUBLICAN invasion of Iraq. Just like everything you write, this is just self delusional nonsense. It’s not based anything but bullshit, just like you.
““Considering that it’s republicans who incite the violence and hate around the world and create our foreign enemies, your stupidness makes it impossible for you to see the truth right before your eyes.â€
=StupidResponse=
Wasn’t Jimmy Carter Pres when Iran took hostages on 4 Nov, 1979? And wasn’t Slick Willy Pres when the World Trade Center was bombed on February 26, 1993?”
Sure was, and the revolution in Iran was caused because REPUBLICANS restored a dictator to power to replace democracy. The Trade Center was bombed by ALQUEDA that REPUBLICANS TRAINED. Just because democrats get stuck with the legacy of your republican failures, don’t blame us because those failures come home to roost! It’s called ACCOUNTABILITY – something you’ve yet to take any of!
“People have flooded to America for hundreds of years and they flood this country still today just for a chance at a better life. And yet you nutty libs tell the world how much you hate your own country.”
Bahaha, stupid moron. We don’t hate this country, we hate YOU, because you don’t represent the values of this country. You’re ANTI-AMERICANS!
““7 of 9 founding fathers were DEISTS and ULTRA LIBERALS.â€
Where did this come from? If the founding fathers were as nutty as you are we would have been conquered many years ago and we would probably be speaking Japanese or German and America would not be the as grand as it is.”
Bahaha, what a stupid jackass you are! This is WELL KNOWN you moron. Clearly you suffer from not getting a college degree. Read some more you nitwit! There are dozens of these, lets start with Jefferson. Just because you’re ignorant of a fact (clearly you consist almost entirely of ignorance), doesn’t make the fact false, but it does make you ignorant!
“And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
And I noticed you didn’t respond to my poverty numbers. Is that because you didn’t have any facts to respond with, or that you’re like most republicans and that you simply can’t admit when you’re wrong? I think it’s both!
Those numbers are compiled from the GAO (you know what that is right?). I can point you to numerous press releases and other outlets that confirm these numbers if you like. But since you’re proud of your google searching, go prove me wrong. I dare you! You MIGHT learn something for a change – because clearly wherever you’re getting your news, you don’t know a damned thing that’s true!
October 16th, 2005 at 3:41 pmOh, and StubbornJackass. Don’t forget it was the LIBERALS who fought germany and japan, it was republicans like Prescott Bush who HELPED FUND HITLER. But then again, his descendents are Fascists as well, so that’s to be expected! You know Prescott actually had his hands slapped by the government when they found out after the war of his treason. Too bad they didn’t make the same fuss publically over fascists that they did over communists – we might not have allowed the NeoCons to hijack the republicans fully as they have.
And what idiots like you don’t seem to get, is that democrats can tell the difference between a good war, and a bad war. Clinton executed a good war in Kosovo, and provided enough troops through international efforts to secure the peace. For someone who never served, he demostrated what a TRUE commander and chief does. Bush by contrast let chickenhawks who’d never had military training dictate military actions. That’s called a lack of qualified leadership. It doesn’t matter if it’s FEMA or the Pentagon, republicans hire their friends, and not those capable of doing the job. Now THAT demostrates a hatred of america more than anything else, because if they actually loved america, they would put the country before cronyism! But then again, they’re fascists – so of course they (and you) hate american values!
October 16th, 2005 at 3:46 pmLets begin with AlQueda, and the republican legacy of failure there:
” Another name on Ronald Reagan’s roll call is that of Osama bin Laden. The Reagan administration believed it a bully idea to organize an army of Islamic fundamentalists in Afghanistan to fight the Soviet Union. bin Laden became the spiritual leader of this action. Throughout the entirety of Reagan’s term, bin Laden and his people were armed, funded and trained by the United States. Reagan helped teach Osama bin Laden the lesson he lives by today, that it is possible to bring a superpower to its knees. bin Laden believes this because he has done it once before, thanks to the dedicated help of Ronald Reagan.
In 1998, two American embassies in Africa were blasted into rubble by Osama bin Laden, who used the Semtex sent to Afghanistan by the Reagan administration to do the job. In 2001, Osama bin Laden thrust a dagger into the heart of the United States, using men who became skilled at the art of terrorism with the help of Ronald Reagan. Today, there are 827 American soldiers and over 10,000 civilians who have died in the invasion and occupation of Iraq, a war that came to be because Reagan helped manufacture both Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. ”
Then lets peer back further to Reagan and Rumsfeld who supplied arms and technology used to build the WMDs for Iraq. This included the BIOLOGICAL WMDs and CHEMICAL WEAPONS EQUIPMENT need to build WMDs. See it’s the fault of REPUBLICANS (not america) that this happened!
“American officials have known that Saddam was a psychopath ever since he became the country’s de facto ruler in the early 1970s. One of Saddam’s early acts after he took the title of president in 1979 was to videotape a session of his party’s congress, during which he personally ordered several members executed on the spot. The message, carefully conveyed to the Arab press, was not that these men were executed for plotting against Saddam, but rather for thinking about plotting against him. From the beginning, U.S. officials worried about Saddam’s taste for nasty weaponry; indeed, at their meeting in 1983, Rumsfeld warned that Saddam’s use of chemical weapons might “inhibit” American assistance. But top officials in the Reagan administration saw Saddam as a useful surrogate. By going to war with Iran, he could bleed the radical mullahs who had seized control of Iran from the pro-American shah. Some Reagan officials even saw Saddam as another Anwar Sadat, capable of making Iraq into a modern secular state, just as Sadat had tried to lift up Egypt before his assassination in 1981.
But Saddam had to be rescued first. The war against Iran was going badly by 1982. Iran’s “human wave attacks” threatened to overrun Saddam’s armies. Washington decided to give Iraq a helping hand. After Rumsfeld’s visit to Baghdad in 1983, U.S. intelligence began supplying the Iraqi dictator with satellite photos showing Iranian deployments. Official documents suggest that America may also have secretly arranged for tanks and other military hardware to be shipped to Iraq in a swap deal-American tanks to Egypt, Egyptian tanks to Iraq. Over the protest of some Pentagon skeptics, the Reagan administration began allowing the Iraqis to buy a wide variety of “dual use” equipment and materials from American suppliers. According to confidential Commerce Department export-control documents obtained by NEWSWEEK, the shopping list included a computerized database for Saddam’s Interior Ministry (presumably to help keep track of political opponents); helicopters to transport Iraqi officials; television cameras for “video surveillance applications”; chemical-analysis equipment for the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission (IAEC), and, most unsettling, numerous shipments of “bacteria/fungi/protozoa” to the IAEC. According to former officials, the bacteria cultures could be used to make biological weapons, including anthrax. The State Department also approved the shipment of 1.5 million atropine injectors, for use against the effects of chemical weapons, but the Pentagon blocked the sale. The helicopters, some American officials later surmised, were used to spray poison gas on the Kurds. ”
And then we go back to the Ford administration where Rumsfeld laid the foundation and sold the equipment to allow Iran to develop NUCLEAR WEAPONS. You guys are just one disaster after another!
” Yet Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and outgoing Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz held key national security posts when the Ford administration made the opposite argument 30 years ago.
Ford’s team endorsed Iranian plans to build a massive nuclear energy industry, but also worked hard to complete a multibillion-dollar deal that would have given Tehran control of large quantities of plutonium and enriched uranium — the two pathways to a nuclear bomb. Either can be shaped into the core of a nuclear warhead, and obtaining one or the other is generally considered the most significant obstacle to would-be weapons builders.
After balking initially, President Gerald R. Ford signed a directive in 1976 offering Tehran the chance to buy and operate a US-built reprocessing facility for extracting plutonium from nuclear reactor fuel. The deal was for a complete “nuclear fuel cycle” — reactors powered by and regenerating fissile materials on a self-sustaining basis.
US involvement with Iran’s nuclear program until 1979, which accompanied large-scale intelligence-sharing and conventional weapons sales, highlights the boomerang in US foreign policy. Even with many key players in common, the US government has taken opposite positions on questions of fact as its perception of US interests has changed.
Using arguments identical to those made by the shah 30 years ago, Iran says its nuclear program is essential to meet growing energy requirements, and is not intended for bombs. Tehran revived the program in secret, its officials say, to prevent the United States from trying to stop it. Iran’s account is under investigation by the International Atomic Energy Agency, which is trying to determine whether Iran also has a parallel nuclear weapons program.
Since the energy program was exposed, in 2002, the Bush administration has alternately said that Iran has a secret nuclear weapons program or wants one. Without being able to prove those claims, the White House has made its case by implication, beginning with the point that Iran has ample oil reserves for its energy needs.
Ford’s team commended Iran’s decision to build a massive nuclear energy industry, noting in a declassified 1975 strategy paper that Tehran needed to “prepare against the time — about 15 years in the future — when Iranian oil production is expected to decline sharply.”
And then lets go back further where Eisenhower overthrew the democratically elected government in 1955 to install the Shah (A DICTATOR) because they didn’t like the actions of the democratic government. What they said and did almost mirrors their current responses to Chavez in Venezuela. Republicans don’t believe in ‘democracy’, they believe in ‘corporatism’. When democracy gets in the way of corporatism, it’s the first thing to be axed, and not the other way around as it should be!
” The last time Iran and Iraq had really warm relations was the mid-1950s. Iraq then had a British-installed constitutional monarchy, and Prime Minister Nuri as-Said was fanatically pro-Western. The CIA had put Mohammad Reza Shah back on the throne in 1953, deposing the democratically elected prime minister, Mohammad Mossadegh (who had angered the United States when he nationalized the Iranian oil industry). In 1955 Said and the shah both signed on to the Baghdad Pact, a U.S.-sponsored security agreement against the Soviet Union and Arab nationalist Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt. The pact proved ill-fated, however. A popular revolution overthrew the Iraqi monarchy in 1958, and Nuri’s corpse was dragged in the street. Another popular revolution overthrew the shah in 1979. In 1980-1988, Iran-Iraq relations reached their nadir, as Saddam Hussein’s Baath Party and Khomeini’s Revolutionary Guards slugged it out on battlefields of a dreary horror not seen since World War I. Jaafari’s visit was designed to erase the bitter legacies of that war.”
Now, you say I made claims that aren’t proven, or have no basis. I’ve clearly shown that it is YOU who’ve made baseless claims. But that’s typical of those who suckle on the man titties of rush limbaugh. You’ve been raised on sour milk, but you’re too stupid to know any better. Unless you forget it was DEMOCRATS who fostered the idea of peace keeping, and nation building. The difference is that when we did this Kosovo and the Balkans, we actually DID it. Republicans are so inept, everything you touch turns to bags of crap! And why? Because Democrats worked with the UN which has entire branches with experts on nation building – the US has NO such expertise in any quantity. There’s a reason the UN is used, because it has the resources to respond where individual nations do not!
Like I said before READ SOMETHING OTHER THAN PROPAGANDA. Get a REAL history book sometime, and read it before you make the stupid jackass comments you constantly make.
There’s a reason the president’s approval has dropped like a rock! When you get a drop from 90% to 36% (55% decline) – this is an IDENTICAL drop to that of Nixon. Before Watergate Nixon peaked at 67% and at rock bottom and resignation he bottomed out at 23%. While Nixon’s overall approval rating was obviously lower at the end of his collapse than Bush’s ‘currently’ is by a few percentage points – the percentage drop is virtually identical!
In otherwords bush has squandered as much good will as Nixon did through his ineptitude and mismanagement. That’s the REAL story!
Only 2% of african americans approve of the president. Only 37% of ALL americans approve him. Less than 30% approve of republican policies. So now we know that 37% of the population is stupid, crazy, racist and hateful – it’s time for the other 63% to take back the country!
Clearly he has no mandate, and is has nothing to offer that the majority of americans are willing to buy. But then again, it’s because he has delivered the REAL bag of crap that is republicanism – instead of the empty lies told to try and get elected!
October 16th, 2005 at 5:28 pmWell, I guess you told me, huh. Boy oh boy, what was I thinking? I have yet to comment on your bogus poverty numbers because so many of your “facts” that needs to be straightened out. But I couldn’t possibly contradict you because I am a fascist, redneck, Hitler, ignorant, stupid asshole, jackass, and so on and so on. If I am all of the things you say I am, why even bother talking to me? Do you think you are going to change my mind? I already told why I am here, why are you here?
I noticed you conveniently left out the part where I said you were right. Couldn’t stand it, could you? You just could not bring yourself to say, “Thank you for saying I was right.” True colors are hard to hide.
I am a little disappointed that you have not figured out that I am a Libertarian, not a Republican. I thought you knew your stuff better than that. You just started spouting off at the mouth, calling me names like a selfish 4 year old, and without listening to a word. Humility will go a long way when trying to earn respect.
I will get to your completely absurd poverty argument soon enough. In the mean time, here are few thoughts and questions for you to chew on.
-Million Man March should be called Million Bigot/Hypocrite March. Did you know the organizers of the march 10 years ago would not allow minority men (or woman, but it was a “Man” march, after all) other than blacks in the march? That is diversity at its finest!
-In 1998, illegitimacy rate among black children was 70% and is still INCREASING to this day according to Pace University philosophy professor Andrew Bernstein. This is the why blacks have a harder time getting out of poverty than whites.
-It is not permitted for a white student at my Alma matter to wear a t-shirt reading “Proud to be white” but it is perfectly acceptable for a black student to wear a t-shirt stating their black pride. Is this just?
-Saddam Hussein had a bone to pick with the US after we drove him out of Kuwait. It was difficult to continue his nuclear weapons program with the newly enacted UN sanctions but a little research will show he did just that. Here is a link that might clear up a few of your questions.
http://www.isis-online.org/publications/iraq/act1298.html
(Bare with me, I am getting to the point) Countless news reports have said that foreign fighters make up some if not most of the insurgents (hence the name “insurgent”) in Iraq by sneaking across the borders of Iran, Jordon, Saudi Arabia, and Syria. That being said, since Pres Clinton and Madeline Albright having been quoted as acknowledging Saddom having WMD’s, and other intelligence agencies from Great Britain, France, and Germany, and others acknowledging the same thing, is it conceivable that Saddom did have WMDs but simply sneaked them across the unguarded borders into one of the mentioned countries before weapons inspectors could find them? It’s a long shot but something to think about.
October 16th, 2005 at 6:51 pmStubain, can’t you just picture Ryan Neat’s temper tantrum when you refuse to discuss his emoting drivel? He needs the recognition SO badly!!!!!
October 16th, 2005 at 7:17 pm“Successful? WOW YOU’RE STUPID! People have been losing suits against walmart for 2 decades…”
2 decades huh? Sounds like it’s the people who work for and sue Wal-Mart who are stupid.
October 16th, 2005 at 9:41 pmStuBRAIN – Have you noticed that Ryan- the Putz – seems to think he can “refute” ANYTHING thrown his way with questionable “authors” and questionable “authority”. Just remember, spell S-L-O-W-L-Y, big words and deeper thought are confusing for the poor boy, intellectually challenged that he is. (FYI – he thought von Hayek was not highly regarded in economic circles – failing to note that he and his economic “guru” J.M. Keynes were often thought to be on economic par, though their viewpoints were quite opposing.*** PAR – that a golf term, “fat cat”,used regularly by Repubs during our leisure time!! HA!)
October 17th, 2005 at 2:05 pm“I proved you wrong on everything you posted, and I showed you that your arguments are bogus.”
Comment by Ryan Neat
You have “proved” nothing. I think you need a period of instruction on the difference between a fact and an opinion. You and I are looking at the same statistics and the same situations and the same issues. We simply come to different conclusions. You believe you have “proved” your points because you believe passionately in your position. I can respect that even if I wholeheartedly disagree with you. This is where you and I are different; I can respect your opinion even though I disagree but because of your blinding hatred for all things conservative (namely President Bush), you are incapable of being rational. Additionally, your undeniable loathing for those who disagree with you has rendered you so impulsive that your first instinct is to attack anyone who doesn’t think the same as you by name calling and insulting them personally. A notable result is your complete lack of a sense of humor. Lighten up for crying out loud. You can disagree with someone and still be civil. Don’t get me wrong, it is far more fun when you act like a nutty lib. But a serious political discussion can be had while keeping our senses of humor and civility. So why don’t we all have a group hug?
Are you going to comment on any of the thoughts I posted on #459?
October 17th, 2005 at 2:24 pmRyan,
If you call me a bigot for my opinions and a black woman says the same thing I say, what does that make her?
The following is a very good read writtin by Stark Parker who is President of Coalition on Urban Renewal & Education.
“Louis Farrakhan’s “Millions More Movement” explains on its Web site that “It’s time for our leadership to stop acting solely on behalf of our churches, mosques, temples, synagogues, and organizations. It is time for us as leaders to come together and begin to think, plan, and act on behalf of the whole of our people.”
What it should really say: “When the Republican president’s polls get shaky, it’s time for the demagogues to come to Washington.”
Do poor blacks really need to hear “millions more” excuses why black men can’t be faithful to one woman and be responsible for the children they bear? Or why they can’t get an education because white people hate us?
Do poor blacks really need another venue for hip-hop multimillionaires to explain, in four-letter epithets, that blacks suffer because George W. Bush doesn’t care about them? This while these moguls get richer by the day peddling black booty on BET, inspiring black kids to live the life that guarantees to keep them poor?
Despite Farrakhan’s supposed objective to “empower” poor folks, he should understand, as more and more blacks are beginning to understand, that he, and other long-standing traditional black leaders, really promote quite the opposite.
Poor blacks do not need to be “mobilized” to turn even more responsibility for their lives over to others. They need to go to school and take care of their families. The place where this needs to take place is within a couple-mile radius of where they live. It certainly won’t take place on the National Mall in Washington.
Blacks mobilized on the Mall in Washington in 1963 because there were legitimate claims then that government was not doing its job to ensure for black citizens the constitutional protections of life, liberty and property.
The Constitution was amended after the Civil War to solve this problem. But, unfortunately, the number of laws a nation needs is directly proportional to the amount of evil present. A hundred years after the addition of the Fourteenth Amendment, ensuring protection and due process for all citizens, blacks were still not getting it.
This reality crystallized the civil-rights movement in the 1960s. The Rev. Martin Luther King defined the problem and the challenge in his unforgettable address on the Mall in 1963.
The result was more legislation, the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. These laws went the extra mile to ensure blacks their needed protections.
However, law cannot change the hearts of men. Nor can law ensure that a child will grow up to be a responsible adult. In a free society, government does not, and cannot, act as a parent. Government can’t ensure that black kids will become nuclear physicists.
The work that blacks need to do in Washington today is to reduce government interference with black individual lives, families and communities to solve our own problems. We need to increase the freedom we have to choose how to educate our children and to increase the control we have over our income and savings.
When black leaders suggest that we need government to do more than ensure our protection, they sound like the very racists who supposedly cause our problems.
It may be news to Farrakhan, and perhaps to other black leaders, that blacks are unique and individual human beings. It’s the racists who look at us otherwise. It does not empower black citizens when they hear from their leaders that they are not unique individuals but racial objects.
Am I suggesting that blacks in America today do not have to contend with the burden of racism? Of course I am not. What I do claim is that the most damaging racism in our community is what it hears from its own leaders. It is the message that black citizens cannot and should not be treated as free and personally responsible individuals.
Black problems today are in individual hearts, minds and homes. This is where they need to be solved. The only reason to go to Washington is to get rid of existing barriers to allowing this to happen.”
Well?
October 17th, 2005 at 6:52 pmStuBRAIN – RYAN is not teachable – some might refer to him as an idiot savant – but then, he’d have to be GREAT at something…..he has not demonstrated any intellectual ability!! He cuts and paste sophomoric arguments, blurs dates and facts and has a repugnant toilet mouth; a sure sign of poor breeding and upbringing.
October 18th, 2005 at 2:51 pmStubain, I thought you wanted black people to get richer, and yet your biggest complaints seem to be about how ‘rich black people’ tell poor blacks republicans don’t care. Well republicans don’t care, whether whites or blacks are involved. Why? Because republicans don’t act out of an desire for bringing all of society forward, they believe in shutting people down who disagree with them – pure and simple. It’s social darwinism and eugenics at its worst.
For every wealthy republican black person who dismisses their own, there are 10 times that many who tell the truth. Finding one or two black people who prefer to exclusively blame those who are disenfranchised only shows your desperation to produce propaganda and hatred – not to solve the issue. You’re an idiot, and your arguments show you’re nothing more than a modern day bigot.
November 2nd, 2005 at 10:21 pmMightyWindbag,
Being ‘juvenile’ would consist of substituting anecdotal, biased and unscientific preconceptions for science, rational and logical studies. It is you and your unprofessional republicans who are ‘juvenile’. When proven wrong by science, you resort to ‘faith’ or some religious bigotry that permits you to be a fool with a book instead of the homeless crackpot ranting your idiocy – which is the normal place lunatics such as you are seen.
When you demonstrate you have the capacity to understand adult topics, I might change my mind of my assessment of your lunacy. So far your writings have only confirmed who and what you are.
November 2nd, 2005 at 10:45 pmOnly two percent of African-Americans approve of President Bush? Just how many non-African-Americans are there in the Democratic Party? I am willing to bet that there are not that many. I read one statistic on the internet that said less than forty percent of white Americans voted for John Kerry in 2004. That is not something for liberals to be proud of. Is it really that surprising to most people that liberals keep losing elections? Apparently, there just aren’t enough disenfranchised people out there for liberals to take advantage of while President Bush is in office. Well, there are always those poor African-Americans on welfare that buy $200.00 pairs of sneakers and the newest Cadillacs, but other than that, most Americans seem to know how to spend their money.
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November 26th, 2005 at 10:31 pmTim:
George Busch is not an African American problem based on approval ratings it is the policies of President Bush that have become an American problem. I am of the belief that too much emphasis is placed on the White House for resolving the racial problems in American. The president can be a drum major on racial issues but where is the rest of the band (Congress)? Are they or will they march in step.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:04 amToo much historical and contemporary myth making has surrounded the office of the president of the USA. This myth making has encompassed Lincoln, Kennedy, Nixon, Ford, Clinton and yes Bush. One president stands out above all of these men who was an unsung advocate against racial injustice, President Gerald R. Ford. If you would study his record against racial intolerance when he was a student at the Univ. of Michigan to his thesis against Ward Connelly and his anti Affirmative Action campaigns, you would see a man somber yet consistent against racial intolerance.
President Bush, I believe is a decent man but he is in a party dominated by people who have been (post Abe Lincoln) sytemically racially intolerant. President Ford was dubbed by his own party as “RINO” Republican in Name Only because of his support of Voting Rights Acat and Civil Rights legislation.
He was a man who followed his own personal convictions and not the political correctedness of the Republican party.
The African American community needs to stop putting all their eggs in one basket: our hope has never been and never should be in the White House. Our hope should be in God the cornerstone of our historical faith and our faith should be in our convictions to do the right thing in our communities in uplifting the poor and downtrodden. We never needed the White House for that in the past. We once had a greater sense of community and purpose when we did not have so friendly of persons in the White House, governorships, senators or state representatives.
Yes, we must be political astute and critical but regardless of whoever is in the White House, we must never negate our responsibliities to our community, our nation and the countless African American heroes and sheroes who laid down their lives for a better community/a better nation. We have a debt (IOU) that is yet unpaid.
Thank You
ELder James E. Williamson