Two Percent
At a press conference on October 4, President Bush argued that he was the right person to bridge the racial divide in America:
You address the racial divide in a variety of ways. And, obviously, the tone matters from leadership. It matters what leaders say. It matters that somebody, first of all, understands there’s a problem and is willing to talk about it. And I will continue to do so as the President.
Apparently, it isn’t working so well. A new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll finds that just 2 percent of African-Americans approve of his leadership. NBC’s Tim Russert — who called the number “a dramatic setback” — looked into it, and he could not “find a pollster who can remember any President ever getting just 2 percent approval from African-Americans.”
To be fair, the margin of error on the poll is 3.4%. So Bush’s actual approval among African Americans could be anywhere from -1.4% to 5.4%.
Transcript below:
RUSSERT: And Matt, the most astounding number in this: 2 percent – just 2 percent - of African-Americans give George Bush a positive rating for his performance as President. The memories of Katrina very much in their minds.
LAUER: Is that what this is all about? I mean, obviously that is just a startling number, 2 percent of African-Americans. Is this all about the aftermath of Katrina?
RUSSERT: Well, the imagery of that along with the economy and fuel prices and Iraq, but that event, Matt, really did have a searing effect. George Bush and the Republican Party has tried very hard to reach out to African-American voters, but this is a very dramatic setback. I cannot find a pollster who can remember any President ever getting just 2 percent approval from African-Americans.
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Actually, that 2% approval rating is getting pretty close to the number of the collective whole who approve of his leadership.
October 13th, 2005 at 10:38 amA quick correction, Judd — that margin of error you cite is for the -entire- sample. The black voters subsample has a much larger margin of error since it is a smaller sample.
October 13th, 2005 at 10:44 amDid anyone ever take a poll regarding African-American support of someone like Strom Thurmond or George Wallace? I wonder if even they were more popular than George Bush.
October 13th, 2005 at 10:52 amYou’re totally right Neil. I intented the margin of error quip as more tongue-in-cheek than a serious peice of analysis.
October 13th, 2005 at 10:55 amThis just goes to show how intelligent the African American community really is. The rest of the American population seems to be slowly catching up.
October 13th, 2005 at 10:55 amGotta say it…
KANYE WEST WAS RIGHT!!!
October 13th, 2005 at 10:57 amBetter to say:
“Black People don’t care about George Bush.”
On the other hand, George has finally gotten a 100% on at least one thing. Including the MOE, could be he has 100% of black folks disapproving of his job. Way to go, Georgie.
My take on the latest from Howard Fineman,
October 13th, 2005 at 11:12 amBush’s friends don’t like him anymore
Presidents who owned slaves had a better approval rating than that.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:16 amWere they also asked their opinion of Robert “Sheets” Byrd? I would be interested to hear what they think of him.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:16 amIt’s still too high.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:19 am#9 - A little off topic, don’t you think? Actually, Byrd probably comes out way ahead of Georgie on this one. People respect a man who admits his mistakes.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:23 am… Re: #8 - Oooh , fade ! I believe that classifies as the classic ‘ burn ‘ , and I’m lovin’ it , too ! … ;)
October 13th, 2005 at 11:30 am2% is stunningly bad. i knew this guy has his haters (i’m exhibit #1), but 2%? are you kidding me? and the A-A population doesn’t just seem indifferent; they seem ANGRY. perhaps this anger will drive more of them to vote, and clean out this corrupt, uncaring, unconcerned-with-A-A Congress.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:32 amSo… rather than comment on Bush’s bad ratings you prefer to change topics and talk about some other guy? We’re not saying all Dems are loved by all types of people. There are a few bad apples. This post wasn’t about how certain ethnic groups hate all Republicans, it was about how they hate G.W.Bush!
October 13th, 2005 at 11:33 amFor more on the failed outreach to the African-American community by President Bush and the GOP, see:
- “Bush, Race and State of the Union”
- “African-Americans and the Bush Social Security Plan”
October 13th, 2005 at 11:34 amEbola has a higher approval rating than 2%.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:34 amDon’t get too excited TPers — a little perspective is in order. Here are the low approval ratings for the last seven presidents:
*Johnson: 35%
*Nixon: 24%
*Ford: 37%
*Carter: 28%
*Reagan: 35%
*Bush I: 29%
*Clinton: 37%
So every president since 1963 has had approval ratings, at one time or another during his administration, at least five points lower than Bush’s current nadir.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:37 amAnd that is ALL he will do… talk about it. He’s just trying to show Rove that he learned something: “It matters what leaders say.” G.W., you are an ignorant, lying, corrupt, greedy hypocrite. That statement alone is a lie: it matters what leaders DO, not what they say. The words are propoganda. Actions speak for themselves.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:43 am#17 But the topic is not his overall approval rating. It’s the African American approval rating. What are their numbers on that, if you want to compare?
October 13th, 2005 at 11:49 amClinton’s approval rating WHILE BEING IMPEACHED was still 67%
October 13th, 2005 at 11:49 amCC,
October 13th, 2005 at 11:55 amThe important number is that of an second termer in his 5th year. I believe that’s a record.
Yeah, it was 2 PEOPLE.
Clarence Thomas and Armstrong Williams.
I want to know how many WHITE people support him…
October 13th, 2005 at 11:56 amAs a Five Percenter, I hope they will not steal our moniker and name themselves the Two Percenters.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:04 pmhis belated response to Hurricane Katrina and his repeated snubbing of NAACP invitations aren’t helping him any…
October 13th, 2005 at 12:10 pmThat margin of error has to be 40 or above to react to other than with “ouch!”
October 13th, 2005 at 12:26 pmHopefully, African-Americans are looking at the entire RepubliKLAN Party in the same light that they are seeing ChickenGeorge. Bush went golfing while people were dying in NO.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:26 pm2% is high. Ronald Reagan began his campaign for the presidency in Philadelphia,Miss. George Bush Sr. gave us the Willie Horton ads.Junior went to Bob Jones University. What Black could support such atrocious Republicans activity?
October 13th, 2005 at 12:30 pm-1.4 sound correct.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:32 pmKeep trying trolls, your desperation is utterly entertaining. No more straws yet you still grasp. The trouble is, this country has been raped and there is no enjoyment in watching us deteriorate to such all time lows.
Look neocon trolls what you ahve done. And as much as you just can’t help it, this is your own doing. Whoever voted for these people should be ashamed of yourselves.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:32 pmFrankly, there is a certain percentage of any population that holds unusual beliefs - flat earthers, etc.
There would be a certain percentage of any population that would not realize that there is a distinction between Bush 41 and Bush 43, for example, or who might interpret the question as being whether they approved of shubbery.
When you get to 2%, you are well within that ballpark
October 13th, 2005 at 12:36 pm“So Bush’s actual approval among African Americans could be anywhere from -1.4% to 5.4%.”
So, how does any group have -1.4%? Is Bush so disliked in the African American community that some dead guys actually came back and gave their opinion? Or perhaps 0% is the real bottom line.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:36 pmI’d gladly suffer through ebola if it would get these religious zealots out of DC. I am offended by this admins decisions being based on religion, specifically christianity.
They are disregarding our founding fathers and the constitution. Shameful greedy beasts.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:37 pmIs that his fault or theirs?
October 13th, 2005 at 12:38 pmBoy does it feel good to be black!!!!
October 13th, 2005 at 12:42 pmThose 2% of black Americans who approve of Bush must be: 1.) Condosleaza, 2.) Armstrong Williams.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:42 pmBlack Americans aren’t stupid.
The recognize a fraud and a liar when they seen one and Bush fits the bill perfectly.
Katrina and the Feds response was nothing short of genocide against a city, New Orleans, that’s 70% African-American.
Bush and his gang of goon will never recover credibility with black people — nor should he.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:45 pmClinton was 40 percent even when the media was tearing his head off on a daily basis(no pun intended). Some polls have had bush at 36 percent overall, with more than 2/3 of the independant respondants dissaproving of bush, and 17 percent of liberals approving him. 2 percent with about 15 to 20 percent of the United States screams one thing at me: Lame Duck. This should be a talking point, people, and this administartions’s bungling should win us seats BIG TIME in 06. Say it with me now: George Bush+ Lame Duck.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:51 pmNot a surprising number since the right came out and admitted not only that they have been racist, but that they utilized that in their strategy: (excerpt)
” Mehlman (Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman)told the NAACP that Republican leaders had tried over the past 40 years “to benefit politically from racial polarization.”
October 13th, 2005 at 12:52 pmNow that Bush has completely lost the Black vote, what can he do to alienate other groups that helped get him elected?
Perhaps he should outlaw NASCAR to encourage fuel economy or have an affair with a Catholic nun.
October 13th, 2005 at 12:55 pmWell, well, well…..Black is beautiful and now it is smart. Glad to see that there is a group that sees through the administration and understands the hate and deceit. But then no one has asked me and I am in favor of impeaching them all.
Big question: What are we going to do about it? How much more will the neocons get away with? New Orleans is just the beginning for “eminent domain.” Or was Florida?
October 13th, 2005 at 12:56 pmYet another poll here GWB is doing well…what I don’t understand is WHY is Clinton’s name always brought up? Even at his lowest he was still better than GW! That’s past history anyway! If that’s how it’s done though, should we start comparing GW to Nixon? If so, Nixon was a lightweight compared to the current dictators in office!
October 13th, 2005 at 12:57 pmoops…ISN’T doing well…sorry
October 13th, 2005 at 12:58 pmRussert says Bush and the Repbulicans have reached out to African-Americans. BS!!!! They say they have, but minority and poor people know they are much worse off under the Bush regime. Name one thing Bush has done that has had a positive effect for minority people.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:01 pmAccording to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, Bush’s approval rating is now 39%. However, the most significant finding is that 48% want a Democrat-controlled Congress vs. 39% who favor RepubliKKKans.
“For the first time in the poll, Bush’s approval rating has sunk below 40 percent, while the percentage believing the country is heading in the right direction has dipped below 30 percent. In addition, a sizable plurality prefers a Democratic-controlled Congress, and just 29 percent think Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers is qualified to serve on the nation’s highest court.”
“In addition, with 13 months until the 2006 congressional elections, 48 percent say they prefer a Democratic-controlled Congress, compared with 39 percent who want the Republicans to control Capitol Hill. In fact, that nine-point difference is the largest margin between the parties in the 11 years the NBC/Journal poll has been tracking this question.”
October 13th, 2005 at 1:03 pmMaybe more macho posturing and fake swagger would help.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:03 pmIt shouldn’t even be two percent. It should be zero percent. Less than zero if that was possible. They suppress the black vote in Florida in 2000 and again in Ohio in 2004. Then Katrina exposed the Bushies for what they really are. It’s nothing like closet racist getting the curtain pulled away. Their true colors came right out for all to see. Damn, even George Wallace could get better than two percent. LOL.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:04 pmBut Judd! You still used the 3.4% margin of error on the Al Franken show even though the real margin is slightly higher because of the sample size!
Don’t get me wrong, I’m as big a fan of the ThinkProgress as anybody but come on!
October 13th, 2005 at 1:11 pmand i do mean SLIGHTLY higher
October 13th, 2005 at 1:12 pmRe: comment #17:
Clinton’s 36% approval was only three months into his presidency, 5/26 - 27/93, and was a Yank/Time/CNN poll, according to http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/ cgi-bin/ hsrun.exe/ Roperweb/ PresJob/ PresJob.htx;start=HS_index
Bottom line, go ahead and get excited, TP’ers; no one has lost it so badly this early as Crawford’s village idiot.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:17 pm[…] They were kind enough to share the results of a recent poll showing a 2% approval rating of Bush by African-Americans. No, that’s not a typo. […]
October 13th, 2005 at 1:18 pmGO TP!
October 13th, 2005 at 1:18 pmPeople - calm down. The second Republicans highlight the Democratic plan to impeach the President, your plan to take Congress back is sunk. People want solutions, not lies and propoganda. They want leaders - not morons who preach hate against conservatives. I wish it were so, but when the alternative is having people like Russert and Katie Couric in charge, America will go with the Republicans…. again…
October 13th, 2005 at 1:18 pm2%? That high?!
Mark Weaver: name one thing Shrub,Inc. has done for anyone but corporate Amerika and the wealthy.
Blacks have a well-developed bullshit meter from centuries of being on the receiving end of so much crap.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:21 pmComparing these bunch of wackos to the Nixon Administration doesn’t work. Tricky Dick was a sleeze bag of the highest order but if you look at his record on the environment and the economy he looks like a tree-hugging liberal compared to BushCo Inc.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:23 pmRyan - you’re like a DOG - you always take the bait!!! Thank you for reminding me why Republicans will always be better than liberals.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:31 pm“Electoral Mandate” - she go POOF!
October 13th, 2005 at 1:32 pmIf we want to talk about Freedom, that was taken away from this land when the Indian’s property was confiscated by the white man, before the business world even existed. My history has limits, but I know what morality is. And the way this country was created throughout time, (slavery, war) many immoral political morons had power, and still, they sit on top of the world til this day…
October 13th, 2005 at 1:33 pmGosh gee whillikers! Tim Russert’s surprised that only 2% of African-Americans support Bush. Well, being an African-American myself,I’d have to ask myself: What kind of cave has Little Russert and Dickless Cheney been hiding?
If Mr. Russert claims to be so smart, why hasn’t he read about the history of Republicans and their record
with Blacks from the last half of the 20th Century to this day?
Kanye West made his point and the rest of the news media should understand that.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:34 pmWho cares about African American votes?! Hispanics! Who are working in New Orleans? Hispanics!
Beleive me! Those hard core catholics won’t vote for Hillary because she is a woman.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:36 pmWait until the folks see their natural gas bills this winter. I live in Louisiana, and much of the industry that supplies 50% of US domestic gas production is crippled.
Clinton didn’t do much about fuel efficiency during his term either. I think that this was one failing of his. But the chickens are going to come home to roost under Bush’s watch. Something Bush surely should have forseen, so I don’t feel sorry for him.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:38 pmHe probably garnered the 2% by buying off A-Americans in LA with fema food.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:41 pmIt seems this country has polarized. There are those who detest the born of privelege, war mongering, neoconservative, chickenhawks and what they have done to this country and those who would support them under any circumstances. I think the day may come, and it may not be long, when the bitching stops.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:41 pmI am sure some of them have gotten those horrible and patently phony racist spam e-mails accusing the evacuees of rude behavior and criminal conduct and just being the stereotypical examplar of racism.
There were too many people who believed the most horrible things without a shred of evidence.
As someone said, crackers and racists looked at New Orleans and saw criminals and thugs and that confirmed their most vile suspicions…Blacks and reasonable people saw Americans and little children and grandparents and friends and family in the most dire of human conditions and wept and prayed that something would get done.
It is still such a horror and it is the shame of this once great nation.
-G
October 13th, 2005 at 1:42 pmAnd 20% of blacks think AIDS is a plot by a Jewish doctor to commit genocide. So?
And, yeah, Judd is playing with statistics and saying “aw, I’m just kidding.”
What a propganda sheet this forum is. Sheesh.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:43 pmConcerned conservative, you are one desperate son of a bitch. Try not to bullshit so much, it will serve you better in life.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:43 pm#67
It’s sad to recognize, but I think that the powers that be in New Orleans left those people there so the wouldn’t loose their votes.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:44 pmThese numbers shouldn’t come as a shock, but now that we’ve seen them, I’m beginning to wonder how it will play here in MD where a conservative Repulbican African-American, Lt. Gov. Mike Steele, is going to run for Senate against white Rep. Ben Cardin of Baltimore. The Steele people already had Rove here a few months ago doing a fundraiser for Steele, and with these approval ratings for Bush (and I imagine, by extension to the Republican Party) - it’s going to shape up to be an interesting race.
Cardin for Senate!
October 13th, 2005 at 1:45 pmIt is gratifying to read that so many other African Americans (and other Americans) hold Mr. Bush in such low regard.
Annie B.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:46 pmI’m white, but I find it hard to beleive that 2% of our African Americans are this stupid.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:46 pmJust what in the hell did you guys expect from a former cocaine sniffing - drunk driving- deserter from the National Guard. INTEGRITY?…Wake up and smell the coffee America.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:46 pm“Beleive me! Those hard core catholics won’t vote for Hillary because she is a woman.”
Comment by CrazyMexican — October 13, 2005 @ 1:36 pm
How many of the soldiers killed in Iraq are Hispanic?
How many more Hispanics do you think will be killed in action before the next election? Common sense would indicate A FEW Hispanics might not appreciate their kids being killed for a lie (and they vote also). Hang your hopes on Catholics, but the parents of the dead will have a much bigger impact politically in their respective communities.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:46 pmAnd this is after five years of pro-Bush cheerleading by the mainstream media! What if the media had been bashing him the way they did Clinton?
October 13th, 2005 at 1:47 pm-1.4%?? Even unborn African-Americans hate Bush!
October 13th, 2005 at 1:51 pmNED has his head up his ass again….
October 13th, 2005 at 1:53 pmHAHAH YOU BITCHES! LOSERS!
October 13th, 2005 at 1:54 pm2% why is anyone surprised. His core belief is from his parent. Remember his mother’s comment at the superdome in Texas? It was heard around the world.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:57 pmLiberals Have Screwed Up This Country
Get a job, Bernard Goldberg.
Try taking orders at McDonalds. Your writing abilities are commensurate with that level of difficulty.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:57 pmRegarding “Concerned Conservative’s” comments about how “every president since 1963 has had approval ratings, at one time or another during his administration, at least five points lower than Bush’s current nadir,” why is it these Bush-lovers ALWAYS try to detract from this dangerous, out-of-control “president’s” shortcomings by continually pointing the finger at someone else. It’s not what happened in the past that we care about people, it is what is happening now that matters. And what is happening now, due 100% to this corrupt administration and the Republican party in general, has put this country in a downward spiral that we may never recover from. Bush is ruining this country, plain and simple. Presidents of the past may have had low approval ratings at one time or another in their terms, but they did not run our country into the ground as Bush has done.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:59 pmSo every president since 1963 has had approval ratings, at one time or another during his administration, at least five points lower than Bush’s current nadir.
Comment by Concerned Conservative
Get a job.
October 13th, 2005 at 1:59 pm“The second Republicans highlight the Democratic plan to impeach the President, your plan to take Congress back is sunk. ”
Actually as a liberal/progressive I do not think it’s a good idea to impeach Bush.
1). If Bush is impeached, however deserving he may be, what we will get is President Cheney. I for one do not want a President Cheney for the good of the country. It’s a good prescription for class war of the shooting kind.
2). Bush provides a great deal more fodder for derision than Cheney. Cheney is simply evil, not evil and laughable.
3). I don’t know how many people you would have to serially impeach in this country to get to a leader who might be halfway acceptable, but I’m sure I wouldn’t like the number.
4). As far as a Democratic Congress is concerned, the most optimal strategy would be to launch a massive detailed plan to correct all the failures of this administration like a liberal version of Gingrich’s Contract On America about 20 days before voting begins.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:00 pmRe: George Wallace
Wallace renounced his racist past in the 70’s and ran for governor as a democratic populist (which he was back in the 50’s, until he lost a race for being “out-segged”). At that point he received widespread black support.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:04 pmWe would have sent flowers, but we had other priorities. We are celebrating.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:06 pmDon’t be crazy! You will all die if you don’t love Bush! Terrists will kill you. Love Dear Leader now!
October 13th, 2005 at 2:09 pmI think the real question that begs to be asked here is…
“Who the #$%@&! are the 2% of blacks who think that Bush is doing a good job??!”
October 13th, 2005 at 2:10 pmNortheast Dilemma. The word is spelled propaganda, not “propoganda”. If you don’t know how to spell the word, at least try using spell check. It is not that difficult to do. No wonder you Bush supporters are so easily duped. You really need to work on your vocabulary lessons. In the future, stick with words you know, like “nucular”, as the President does (that is sarcasm, by the way - you can look up its meaning). You don’t want to overtax your brain nor show the public the success No Child Left Behind (again, sarcasm). On the other hand, maybe you ARE educated enough to garner a Supreme Court appointment.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:10 pmHow do we get a progressive agenda done today?
Arrest and execute all traitorous neo-conservative wingnuts.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:12 pm# 62 Crazy Mexican I am a Catholic and a woman. I would vote for Hillary. You need to get a new life in another country. Maybe Mexica!!!
October 13th, 2005 at 2:14 pm“Who the #$%@&! are the 2% of blacks who think that Bush is doing a good job??!â€
thats what i wanna know!
October 13th, 2005 at 2:16 pm“Who the #$%@&! are the 2% of blacks who think that Bush is doing a good job??!â€
Comment by backlash 2006
Condi White As Rice, Clarence, “Long Dong Silver and There’s a Pubic Hair in My Coke” Thomas, Armstrong “Pre$$ Pimp” Williams, Walter “Plantation life is like a Picnic and I fought for the South” Williams, The list goes on…
October 13th, 2005 at 2:17 pmBush wants a genocidal cleansing of not only the middle east, he wants control over our country.
He could care less if any of our katrina victims have a home again. If NOLA was to be rebuilt it will be done so by Halliburton and the rich people will take control of it all. The poor will be living in the FEMA trailer parks.
Hell yes Kanye was right! And more people need to stand up and keep reminding everyone of Bush’s racist crap.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:21 pmWho cares about African American votes?! Hispanics! Who are working in New Orleans? Hispanics!
Beleive me! Those hard core catholics won’t vote for Hillary because she is a woman.
Comment by CrazyMexican
No one invited you. In fact, we went to war to kick your crazy beaner ass outta Texas. Blacks were invited here, in chains, so they get to speak. You get to moow the lawn, do the laundry and the dishes.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:21 pmWingnut I have to laugh at that one NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD LOVE OLD BUSHIE. LET ME THROW UP ON THAT STATEMENT.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:22 pmCondi doesn’t care. Remember what she said. She wasn’t effected by the civil rights movement. She was shoe shopping on the 3rd day after katrina hit. The only reason she flew back to DC was because some woman called her out on the street about her behavior.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:24 pmThe second Republicans highlight the Democratic plan to impeach the President, your plan to take Congress back is sunk.
Ooooookay, let’s pretend just for the sake of argument that impeaching Bush really is the Congressional Democrats’ plan.
So if the Congressional representatives from one party attempt to impeach a sitting President from the other party, the first party will necessarily lose control of Congress in the next election? Tell us more, Neddy. Perhaps you could back this claim up with historical example from, say, oh, about seven years ago.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:26 pmDavy Crockett needs to get his ass down to the recruitment center pronto. They are taking them now up to the age of 42. Mental and Intelligence issues? No problem. As long as you can hold a gun and shoot they will take you.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:27 pmPro war mongers, racist bastards like you need to go on over to Iraq and get yourselves shot. I bet a trip over to Baghdad would give you a whole new point of view you ignorant tripe.
If all African Americans were counted it would be 1/2 per cent, all the blacks he has paid. I’m 58 years old and what I saw was like the hangings in the south were leaders watched as blacks were hurt and killed. He said he was born again well he doesn’t act like a christen.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:27 pmIMHO, if the A-A community harbored any thought that Bush just might be on their side, those notions were dashed in the wake of Katrina. The Emperor has been seen for the fraud he is - he is not interested in minorities or their problems, nor in the poor, nor the sick, nor the elderly - in short, he cares only for what benefits him, his robber-baron friends, and his campaign donors.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:27 pm“I told you so.” I went door-to-door for John Kerry so I wouldn’t feel like those of you who did nothing feel right now ‘duped’. By the way, by going door to door I ran into some Evangelicals that basically pegged Bush as the second coming of Christ and Kerry the devil incarnate. There has got to be some kind of Evangelical underground from the Republican party to the pulpit.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:30 pmThe second Republicans highlight the Democratic plan to impeach the President, your plan to take Congress back is sunk
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The demo’s don’t care! They majority of them just keep on voting in favor of what Bush wants. They are “yes people” and keep on funding the war. Don’t count on the demos to do their jobs!
October 13th, 2005 at 2:30 pmBlack Americans have Bush and his racist, sexist, fascist cons figured out. I’d like to see that 2% carry over to all other Americans. Bush hides behind and uses anything that will play into people’s weaknesses or emotions; religion, the flag, patriotism/war. If you take a closer look, you’ll see a power-hungry, cheating, lying, self-centered, and very manipulative white collar sociopath. If 100% of the population wanted him impeached, he wouldn’t care. He and his followers have a definite agenda and won’t let anyone stand in their way. I’ll never forgot part of Bush’s comments he said with that dumb-looking smirk and smart-ass look, in the movie Fahrenheit 911: “There’s two kinds of people in this world: the “haves” and the “have nots.” We now live in a fascist society. For more info, check out criminals and liars.com and the movie “Corporation.” To be proactive, log on to moveon.org and naral.org
October 13th, 2005 at 2:31 pmI don’t know anything about polling, but Froomkin mentions that the polling sample included 87 African Americans. 2% is a rounded approximation of two of them. And yet even 2% sounds better than, “We asked around 100 black people what they thought of President Bush. Only two approved of his performance.”
October 13th, 2005 at 2:32 pmThey want leaders who preach hate against conservatives.
Correctamundo!
October 13th, 2005 at 2:39 pm“The demo’s don’t care! They majority of them just keep on voting in favor of what Bush wants. They are “yes people†and keep on funding the war. Don’t count on the demos to do their jobs!
Comment by Starla ”
Starla - that’s bullshit. I guess you missed that video last week where the democrats were all standing yelling ’shame shame’ on the floor of the congress as the republicans once again violated house rules to produce a non-democratic vote on a bill…
Get a clue! You just play into the hands of the propaganda morons with this kind of bullshit!
October 13th, 2005 at 2:42 pmIf one of the must powerful and commanding Black man or any man for that matter(Colling Powell a 5 STAR GENERAL) in the 21st century…openly tells you…we(the U.S.A) had a mistake,and leave your side. I feel you should listen. And that’s just ONE of many reasons me as a BLACK MAN in the U.S don’t approve of Mr. George Bush!!!
October 13th, 2005 at 2:43 pmYo! Fonzi,
No one needs to preach hate against conservatives, man. Everyone hates them already.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:43 pm“George Bush and the Republican Party has tried very hard to reach out to African-American voters…”
“Reach out”? More like “fool”. The only successful war the Republicans and Bush have prosecuted has been against poor and minority Americans. Saying to the black community, “Vote for me, I’m your friend,” while actively working to pepetualize its underclass status is not reaching out; it is a deliberate campaign of deceit, and black America has seen through it. Yes, the Administration has tried very hard, but for Russert to equate a (taxpayer-funded) P.R. campaign to real engagement is absurd.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:44 pm2%??!! 2 f’in %??!! How the hell do you get into office with 2% of anything???
This has got to be frying Roves ass and don’t be surprised if we see these dickweeds reachin’ out to the peeps, lookin for support from hmmm…50 cent or somebody. Probably have the twins buy some bling.
Imagine bubbleboy with his pants down around his ass like a homey.
Sorry, if I’m sounding a little sterotypical. That’s not the point. These political whores know no boundaries and simply said with their patent pandering to the evangelical vote now sastisfied with the nomination of Harriet Savemejesus Miers, you can bet that Melhman, will soon re-invent himself as a brother.
Or sister.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:44 pmIn answer to Mark Walker’s (#45) challenge:
Name one thing Bush has done that has had a positive effect for minority people.
Well… the wealthiest 10% of the nations richest 1% sure seem to be enjoying Bush’s tax cuts…. and if they’re not a minority… I don’t know who is.
Jailtime for Bush/Cheney ‘06
October 13th, 2005 at 2:47 pmFive or six legitimate articles of impeachment, each just as or more serious than Nixon’s, have already been drawn up. Democrats need to take Congress to make that happen. If they do, it will happen.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:52 pmsurferhugh - ironically fiscal irresponsibility is the greatest modern trend of republicanism.
Specifically, the list measures increases in discretionary spending over five successive budgets, adjusted for inflation.
Here are the numbers …
LBJ: 25.2%
October 13th, 2005 at 2:55 pmNixon: -16.5%
Reagan: 11.9%
Clinton: -8.2%
Bush: 35.2%
I am hoping that American’s will take a good look at several media sources, not just bloggers, and see what really has been going on in this country. The numbers, and our reputation globally, show that this administration is a failure.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:56 pmI am quite surprised to read all the unpleasantness going on from both sides in these comments. Isn’t there room for constructive discussion here? You can disagree with someone without insulting them personally surely.
October 13th, 2005 at 2:59 pmRussert asserts that Democrats have no ideas/solutions….sounds very ‘talking-point’ to me.
Falls under liberals are tax and spend and Democrats are weak on defense.
Hopefully, even with the neutered media repeating it this will not take hold in the nation’s lexicon
October 13th, 2005 at 2:59 pmDon’t be a wimp, Chachi. Never enough hate for conservasquares.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:01 pmI am quite surprised to read all the unpleasantness going on from both sides in these comments. Isn’t there room for constructive discussion here? You can disagree with someone without insulting them personally surely.
Comment by katherine
We’s rather shoot them, but that’s only legal in Florida so far.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:03 pmComment by Ryan Neat — October 13, 2005 @ 2:55 pm
Hey Ryan, you left out the best part of chimpboys discretionary spending pattern and his legacy. The below is lifted off a right wing blog…The are eating their own.
How about we just sit back and watch a Republican Party implode. “Party like it’s 1999!!!”
LBJ: 25.2%
Nixon: -16.5%
Reagan: 11.9%
Clinton: -8.2%
Bush: 35.2%
I asked the other day why we shouldn’t consider Bush a RINO. I ask again, when the man spends more than the architect of the Great Society welfare state, how in the hell can anyone actually think the man is a conservative? And why should I, as a believer in strict fiscal conservatism, continue to support the man?
It’s been said that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Well, I can’t think of a better illustration of that maxim than the Republican-controlled US government the past five years. They took a historic chance to implement so many lasting reforms and pissed it away. Disgraceful.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:05 pmAs bad as things were/are in the Gulf coast in and around N.O., there is one good thing that has come out of all of this, and although it won’t make anyone feel beter about the situation, it is that through all this misery, it has shown just exactly how currupt our leaders are! Not that some of us hadn’t already seen it, but now not only all Americans can see, but the WHOLE world can see. If it hadn’t been for katrina, it wouldn’t be so visable now. Maybe by the time this all settles down, we will have better leaders, or at least those who are smart enough to hide there corruption better.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:05 pmThe question is what was the percentage who approved of his leadership before Katrina? I don’t think it’s far off.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:08 pmdave,
Bush is what some economists call a corporate marxist. Instead of a welfare state for the poor - it’s a welfare state for the rich. No bid contracts, no accountability for the money - it’s the welfare queen with ACTUAL gold…
October 13th, 2005 at 3:08 pmI am quite surprised to read all the unpleasantness going on from both sides in these comments. Isn’t there room for constructive discussion here? You can disagree with someone without insulting them personally surely.
Comment by katherine
The right has been preaching hate for… eternity. That’s what they do, the left being it’s primary target. Go to Free Republic, Little Green Footballs, a whole host of other sites where they laugh about Rachel Corrie being flattened by a bulldozer and even sell t-shirts and mugs commemorating the event, “Want some syrup with that pancake?” If you want to turn the other cheek, like a real Christian, fine. If you want to preach to someone about it, tell it to George Bush, “The Uniter” and the GOP who exploit it and encourages it. Otherwise, STFU and get out of the way. There is a war going on for the heart and soul of this country and middle of the road hog idiots like you will end up being collateral damage.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:11 pmRussert asserts that Democrats have no ideas/solutions….sounds very ‘talking-point’ to me.
As if Russert could possibly remain unbiased in an opinion regarding a Democratic Plan…And who the hell needs a plan when the Republican Party has a majority??
Nope, I say “rope a dope” and let these horses asses fall in their own excrement.
We’ll provide the sanitation services in 2008 and banish these self righteous neandrathals to the political wilderness for another 30 years.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:13 pmThis seems to prove that compared with the rest of the population, blacks are excellent judges of character.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:13 pmI am quite surprised to read all the unpleasantness going on from both sides in these comments. Isn’t there room for constructive discussion here? You can disagree with someone without insulting them personally surely.
There are disagreements, and there are disagreements. You might think that the other side means well but is mistaken in their approach, or you might think that they are crooks who are out to enrich themselves and don’t care what happens to the rest of the country in the process.
In the former case, there is room for constructive discussion. Unfortunately, our disagreement with the Republicans falls into the second case.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:16 pmWell, I can’t think of a better illustration of that maxim than the Republican-controlled US government the past five years. They took a historic chance to implement so many lasting reforms and pissed it away. Disgraceful.
Comment by dave in mi
Sucker! You and idiots like you have been sold the same con game over and over again by the same class of crooks for almost 200 years now. It wouldn’t be America without dumbasses like you. You are the problem because you actually believe that “government” is the problem. I don’t pity morons like you. I laugh at you and relish the thought that you got what you deserve and you are stupid enough to buy it again. Conservatard clown. Next time you want to elect some con artists to “govern” that think government is the problem, just do us all a favor and shoot yourself first. No need to take us all down with you. Dumbass!
October 13th, 2005 at 3:20 pmRussert is a pumpkinhead. He should have another cocktail and STFU.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:22 pmGary Kleppe wrote:
But not the Democrats?
October 13th, 2005 at 3:24 pmHey Buckfush,
If you want to go after Exxon, get in line. Their court battle with the fishermen of the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Litigation is just now being scheduled for oral argument with the 9th circuit court of appeals.
Of course, they have taken over 10 years to get this far. And oh, and did I mention that it is has taken over six months just to schedule oral argument and they still haven’t scheduled it?
Check out the latest ODE magazine http://www.odemagazine.net It may not jib with all your beliefs, but every issue they have something about large corporate conglomorates and how everyday people are taking them on in small ways. What I would like to know is why this country has not taken farmers who are bankrupt, have them grow corn and soy. Offer huge incentives and loans for biodiesel engines or conversions, so that we can have a petroleum free economy. Brazil is doing it…why aren’t we….oh yeah, I forgot we are paying Haliburton to rebuild Iraq and the entire world, we couldn’t possibly finance something so forward focused.
I do believe that revolution starts at the grassroots and it’s time to be verbal about it. Anywhere, anytime.
Cheers,
October 13th, 2005 at 3:29 pmGAC
Liberal Blacks are just like all other they liberals, they can’t see 5 feet infront of their faces. They follow the crowd, listen to close minded people like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, or dare I say Michael Moore. Here are some facts that they should consider before voting.
1. Black homeownership is up 2% since Bush took office
2. Poverty spending is much higher in Bush budget than it ever was in Clinton’s. In fact in 1996 Clinton’s budget spent $191 Billion (or 12.2%) for the poor, in 2006 Bush’s budget has $368 Billion (14.6%) for the poor.
3. Educational spending for poor school districts is higher under Bush
4. Poverty rate at this point in the Clinton campaign was 13.7%, Bush stands at a smaller 12.7%.
Now, I ask you, with the FACTS can you still claim that Bush does nothing for the minority or the poor? How come you don’t hear people like the three that I already mentioned telling the crowds these facts? Oh, because there is no political gain in it for them if they make Bush look good. If they could use these leadership roles that they have assumed (not given), and speak the truth rather than lies, without a doubt it would be hire than 2%.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:30 pmRe Comment by Lesly:
Gary Kleppe wrote:
In the former case, there is room for constructive discussion. Unfortunately, our disagreement with the Republicans falls into the second case.
But not the Democrats?
Here we go again with yet another Republican pointing fingers at someone else to deflect attention from the true criminals here: Bush and company. Lesly, let’s stick with the facts here: Republicans are running the show now, no one will argue with that, and they are doing a disgraceful job of it. They are ruining this country. Let’s look at the true problem: Bush, George W. Quit the finger-pointing and the smoke-and-mirrors approach you Republicans are so fond of.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:32 pmComment by Ryan Neat — October 13, 2005 @ 3:08 pm
I believe in Karma and I pray that George Bush is really as stupid as he acts and looks. Because, if he is not, and he has manipulated the American public with his John Wayne Gordon Grecko SavemeJesus persona, hell will not have enough room.
Globally, this man has singlehandedly set our nation back, 50 years. He is responsible for the murder of ten’s of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians. He is guilty of exactly the same crimes that Saddam Hussein will be tried for. Understand that if nothing more.
A true christian, a true believer is humble, loving and most of all giving.
Nothing that this man nor his republican members at the trough has done in the last 5 years, demonstrates anything short of contempt for America. These men are not patriots, far from it. They are common criminals, felons and history will show, treasonist.
Our middle of the road friend, in an earlier post, pleads for compromise and respect between both parties.
It is not a “party” thing. It is an American thing and as demonstrated by our African American friends and patriots, these people (the bushco’s) deserve nothing more than our contempt.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:32 pmhi everyone, I am writing from Britain to draw attention to the fact that there are a growing number of Brits who are actively seeking closer political connections with our European allies and to distance ourselves from the USA. This is not reflected in the political will of Blair and Co who are widely despised for warmongering (and were voted back in -not by me-due to a lack of credible competition). I like Americans and would prefer to have my Country affiliated with America but under your neocon dictatorship (political, media, Congress etc.)it is becoming too dangerous. If you don’t sort out your leadership mess you will (long term) lose allies and I do not want to see this happen. Warmongers on both sides of the pond must be impeached.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:34 pmBut not the Democrats?
Well, maybe.
At least speaking personally, my problem with the Democrats is that many of them — particularly those in the leadership — don’t put up much of a fight to help the constituents they supposedly represent. Maybe this is because they’re just afraid, and maybe it’s because they’re bought and paid for. (In practice, I suppose it’s some of each.) In the former case, they can be worked with… maybe. In the latter case, there’s nothing to do but get them out of office and replace them with people who really are on our side.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:36 pmHmmmmmm??? 2%??? That high ????? Isn’t this the same ethnic group that is convinced OJ is “100% NOT guilty!”
October 13th, 2005 at 3:38 pmAren’t these the same folks who could have thwarted the CIA’s “evil drug infusion plan” by NOT buying?? Don’t many of thses same people think the greatest religious authority EVER is “REV” Jesse Jackson? Just asking!!
They took a historic chance to implement so many lasting reforms and pissed it away. Disgraceful.
Comment by dave in mi — October 13, 2005 @ 3:05 pm
“Lasting Reforms”? Like gutting Social Security with private accounts?
October 13th, 2005 at 3:43 pmAren’t these the same folks who could have thwarted the CIA’s “evil drug infusion plan†by NOT buying??
Well, you could have refused also. What’s you’re (addled)excuse?
October 13th, 2005 at 3:47 pm1. Black homeownership is up 2% since Bush took office
A whole 2% in 5 years? — AMAZING! That must account fot the 2% who approve of bush!
3. Educational spending for poor school districts is higher under Bush
Yes — and all those poor kids no longer have to go to the mall to get recruited into the military! They can join up at school while they’re eating lunch! And if they don’t, they have the convience of being harrassed at home!
4. Poverty rate at this point in the Clinton campaign was 13.7%, Bush stands at a smaller 12.7%.
I love this statistic. It’s my favorite. It’s so misleadingly Limbaughian…
Anyway, since all you dittoheads always come up with this statistic, I have a rebuttal all ready. You see, when clinton took office, poverty was slightly under 15%. Every year Clinton was in office, that rate went DOWN.
When bush took office, that rate was slightly below 12%. Every year he has been in office, that rate has gone UP.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:48 pmWho the f*%k cares about the “black approval”…most of them are just a few generations (in the GRAND scale of things) removed from slavery and lack general understanding of the real issues. In MOST cases…if given the oppertunity…they (blacks) would resort to animalistic
October 13th, 2005 at 3:54 pmbehavior. (See N.O. Superdome OR Houston Astrodome)So who realy cares what they think? The fact of the matter is the ones that “approve” of him are probably the only ones that have any type of education.
As someone who WANTED to help out at the Astrodome (I am from Houston) and make a difference I was thoroughly disappointed in the behavior and blatant disrespect being thrust toward us by the very people we were trying to help. A larger majority of the were black. Again…I will say it…WHO REALLY CARES what they think?
Mike….you are every bit the fat, ego driven, corrupt, liar that W is. I hold you no higher than I hold him….and thats LOW! May your plane crash over the deepest of oceans.
1. Black homeownership is up 2% since Bush took office
Response: Section 8 programs were introduced by HUD and released in the year 2000 (under Clinton) which enabled millions of our citizens, including African Americans to purchase their own home
2. Poverty spending is much higher in Bush budget than it ever was in Clinton’s. In fact in 1996 Clinton’s budget spent $191 Billion (or 12.2%) for the poor, in 2006 Bush’s budget has $368 Billion (14.6%) for the poor.
Response: 12.2% in 1996 was actually an increase over Bush41’s paltry 10.5 percent and as a matter of fact at the end of Clintons term spending had increased as a percentage of the budget to 15.7%
3. Educational spending for poor school districts is higher under Bush
Response: Bullshit..No Child Left Behind is closing schools ya clown. Particularly in inner city school districts
4. Poverty rate at this point in the Clinton campaign was 13.7%, Bush stands at a smaller 12.7%.
Response: You are so full of shit. The poverty rate at the end of 2000 was 7.4% and has climbed to almost twice that rate under Bush!!
F’off! It’s no wonder the African American community give him 2%. Christ, he’s lucky to get any!!
October 13th, 2005 at 3:54 pmDano- That’s the BEST you can do?? WEAK!! At least refute my assertion! Facts would help!!
October 13th, 2005 at 3:55 pmDon’t many of thses same people think the greatest religious authority EVER is “REV†Jesse Jackson?
Let’s see a cite where any African-American actually said something to that effect, Afro.
And why the quotes? Jackson is an ordained Baptist minister.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:56 pmI love these media people who are stuck in their own stunted short term memory. George Bush from the very start of his presidency IGNORED the Black community..remember that every time he was invited to speak to the NAACP he refused. The community does not forget that. So let’s stop thinking it’s JUST Katrina..or it’s Iraq..or the economy. Katrina simply put the lid on the coffin. It is the last straw.
October 13th, 2005 at 3:57 pm“Dano- That’s the BEST you can do?? WEAK!! At least refute my assertion! Facts would help!!
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
That’s a good question - why should anyone bother to refute anything you say, as it’s always self refuting? Mr. Wrong in Drag, we all know you’re just a propaganda windbag - and that your ‘biased’ postings are nothing but lies.
Here’s all the refuting anyone needs.
Mighty Windbag is a liar - anything he/she says is a lie - and that’s all that’s needed. He/She is a discredited Matt Drudge wanna be who can’t even get the dates right for when the Yachting industry collapsed - or the fact that BushI was the idiot who put in the sales tax that ’supposed’ collapsed it 18 months after it had already collapsed…
What an idiot drag queen!
October 13th, 2005 at 4:02 pmComment by Andy Gonzalez — October 13, 2005 @ 3:54 pm
I notice you said WANTED to help out, not helped out. These people were stipped of everything they owned, put on a 6 hour bus ride with what they could carry and dropped off ceremoniously at a huge f’in building you watch football in. Not the Hilton, by any stretch of the imagination. Think you might be a little shell shocked or a little pissed off after you’ve just pissed in a cup on a bus.
Ya moron. Honest to God. Unless you were in NO and unless you did the ride, you have little or no right to stand in judgement.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:03 pmYou lefties are quite a show. So very stupid and so very eager to let everyone know it. Keep it up. I just have a few other comments and then I will await your oh so witty responses.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:05 pmNone of us in this country have a right NOT to be offended. Neither you nor I…
If Christ or profiling an Arab offends you, guess what? Only you nutty boneheads give a rat’s hind-parts.
Oh the humanity!!! I am offended because someone put a “FOR SERVICE, SPEAK ENGLISH” sign in their business. Oh, for the love of all that is good and holy, don’t offend me. I mean really, I couldn’t pay for better entertainment.
American Pie
A bit of thinking back to the ’70’s - plus blogs on Tom Delay, watching part of our TV show online, Olbermann’s bit on the Nexus of Politics and Terror and MUCH more.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:07 pmGary wrote:
Exactly. A decent number of liberals who post here miss that we can’t control the government simply standing on the sidelines gloating. The people want leaders with ideas guiding workable solutions. They’ve had five years of empty bluster and inefficient management. (Although in Miers’ case this is exactly what Democratic Senators should be doing; let the Republicans backtrack on every principle they’ve hollered about Supreme Court appointments against them and keep that filibuster threat for an appropriate moment.)
Some of the liberals posting here would fit right in with military.com posters. They’ll feel right at home with the screeching, the ad homonyms, and assumptions about the motivations of posters who doesn’t echo back extreme positions.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:17 pmI believe the downfall of bush and his war mongering/profiteering administration is well underway, but it wont be enough to flush the neocons back under their rocks for the next few decades while we again go about repairing the devastation they have caused. There must be a reckoning. Their lies and deception and those complicit must be held accountable. This is necessary to show the world that we, the people of the USA, are in fact not the murderous imperialists we have been made out to be the last 5 years.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:17 pm“1. Black homeownership is up 2% since Bush took office”
First of all home ownership is up in all of america because of lower interest rates and changes that went into affect through Clinton that reduced the racist banking tactics that used to prevent home ownership. You should be thanking clinton for this advance - not bush! The increase in housing of 2% is consistent with white americans - but is still much lower. 72.8 of white people own homes, only 49.1 of blacks and 48.1 of hispanics own homes. When you have the dismal numbers - 2% is shameful - not something to be proud of! But then again republicans have no shame!
The rest of your bullshit numbers on poverty are nonsense. They’re OReilly numbers, and are just patent lies…
October 13th, 2005 at 4:19 pmComment by Stubain — October 13, 2005 @ 4:05 pm
I’m all for profiling as long as they include a line for “stupid” and they wouldn’t need a sign to “speak english for service”, because “stupid” stands out like the proverbial dogs balls.
Kind of like you do.
Do you have a point or are you one of those people that drop a fart in a room and look around like someone else did it?
October 13th, 2005 at 4:19 pmI am amazed that 2% approve of his leadership, when he has clearly demonstrated that he is no leader. He surrounds himself with cronies and “yes” personnel and scripts his press opportunities. It is time that the American people look close and realize that not only does the Emperor have not clothes, but he has no brain either! What a disgrace he is to the concept of America: Of the people, by the people, for the people.
Bush=Traitor
October 13th, 2005 at 4:21 pmSome of the liberals posting here would fit right in with military.com posters. They’ll feel right at home with the screeching, the ad homonyms, and assumptions about the motivations of posters who doesn’t echo back extreme positions.
Comment by Lesly — October 13, 2005 @ 4:17 pm
Hmmmmm…Thoughtfully provocative. Now, the fact of the matter is that as a party, we have nothing. The republican party controls both houses and the bedrooms at the oval. In spite of the efforts of our best members, we are getting jack, in the media.
Knowing that to be the case, the best we can hope for at this point is to be able to give it back as fast as it gets shoveled out. That requires an education of the facts and a repetition of them.
We ran a f’ed up campaign as a party and for the most part, none of us are going to let that happen again. They were ready with their “A” game and we weren’t.
So call it what you want, vitrol, venom, a shouting match, whatever..I’m getting ready for 08 and when one of these conservative primates jump on this site, spinning their shit…it will be adversarial, cause I ain’t looking for a compromised position with a party that divides and plunders it’s citizens and walks around with the blood of innocent Iraqi civilians on their hands.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:32 pmMay these righty whitey mighty senators asses burn in the hot seat come election time!
October 13th, 2005 at 4:35 pmDaaaa !!!!
October 13th, 2005 at 4:37 pmWAKE UP AMERICA..has anyone caught on or is too late ??
Bush is not liked he is hated by those who don’t like him..they cannot stand to see him for a minute on tv or anywhere else…
THe BLACKS who were able to vote had their vote changed through manipulated means or FRAUD..
THE WHITES who voted in some areas of the country did not know who they voted for..
Bush’s approval rating is somewhere in the 30 percentile. And that should be historic since no one I know voted for him or likes him…
May these righty whitey mighty senators asses burn in the hot seat come election time!
First we need to ensure honest counting, and that everybody who is legally eligible to vote is allowed to.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:37 pmThe black community, of which I am a part, still suffers from many of society’s ills (rates of incarceration, #s of blacks in college, health disparities) at a much higher rate than whites and most other minorities. I’m not a statistician so I don’t have numbers in front of me and don’t know them off the top of my head.
But what I do know is that in my 33 years of life, it’s ALWAYS been that way, no matter who the president is. So Bush doesn’t care about black people … well, who does?
If your point is that Bush isn’t the right person to bridge the racial gap in America, obviously you’re right. But singling out this 2% as proof of his incompetent doesn’t wash, although there are many other stats that would illustrate this much better.
And sadly, a large number of black people don’t even bother to vote. So, in a way, we have only ourselves to blame.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:41 pmFirst we need to ensure honest counting, and that everybody who is legally eligible to vote is allowed to.
Comment by Gary Kleppe — October 13, 2005 @ 4:37 pm
Perhaps we can get an international election monitor in here next go around and monitor the validity of our own elections. I’m sure Carter would be in it.
Course we could always let it go to the Supreme Court again. “Hey Harriet, who does God want for President?”
October 13th, 2005 at 4:42 pmPerhaps we can get an international election monitor in here next go around and monitor the validity of our own elections.
If I remember right, they tried that in Ohio last time. Blackwell kicked them out.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:43 pmJudd misses the point - again!
The day has long ago passed when African-Americans could swing an election, even by voting as a monolithic bloc. If Democrats can’t win with 90% of the black vote, they will have to find a different way to win. It’s that simple.
David Broder, dean of the establishment MSM liberals, has been reading the tea leaves on this problem, as presented by some Democratic pollsters. His observations?
” . . . victory for the Democrats requires more than ardent anti-Bush rhetoric. It requires . . . a revision of Democratic doctrine on both national security and social and moral issues.
“The perception that Democrats are weak on confronting terrorism and hostile to the culture of the deeply religious has cost the party dearly, especially among married women and Catholics. [Democratic pollsters] calculate that the odds of a married woman supporting the Republican candidate rose from just under 40 percent in 1992 to nearly 55 percent last year. Clinton, a Baptist, carried the Catholic vote by nine points in 1992, while John Kerry, a Catholic, lost among his co-religionists by five points.
” ‘Moral values’ are particularly important to both groups. [These pollsters] are quick to point out, however, that this does not require Democrats to abandon their support for abortion rights or to condemn homosexuality. ‘Moral values’ embrace more than gay marriage and abortion; the voters’ definition includes ‘personal integrity, family solidarity, and the social compact,’ particularly concern for those in need of help.
“This opens the way for Democrats to recoup ground if they find a candidate who conveys strength of conviction on national security — the opposite, they say, of Kerry saying, ‘I actually did vote for the $87 billion [for Iraq and Afghanistan], before I voted against it.’ It would help if the candidate also had a solid marriage, a churchgoing habit and an ability to express sympathetic understanding of those who disagree with his or her personal support of abortion and gay rights.”
In other words, the Democrats either need Joe Lieberman to run again (he won’t), or they need John McCain to switch parties! There is no way any leading Democratic presidential contender can fill this bill. Hillary, especially, will be unable to meet these criteria with any credibility. Moreover, Broder completely ignores the importance of tax cuts as a keystone issue for American voters. Every taxpayer wants lower taxes, and every taxpayer knows the GOP is the only tax cutting party in America.
The bottom line is that red state America - the voters who elected and re-elected George Bush - will never turn their pocketbooks, their safety and America’s national security over to the party who, when last heard from, wanted to raise their taxes and turn U.S. troop deployment decisions over to a bunch of bribe-taking U.N. bureaucrats. No way, no how, never.
October 13th, 2005 at 4:44 pmso what that Bush only gets 2% of the black vote, the GOP would like would like blacks to vote for them, but the GOP knows that the Dems have them snowed about who really cares for them. Historians know and people who really think know that it is the dems that hold the bla