Video: Pentagon Aide Admits Having “Drilled Through” Questions For Photo-Op
Video: Pentagon Aide Admits Having “Drilled Through” Questions For Photo-Op
Earlier today, Pentagon communications aide Allison Barber “insisted” to reporters that questions during President Bush’s photo-op teleconference “were not rehearsed,” and that no “specific questions” were prepared.
Unfortunately, she was caught on tape acknowledging just the opposite — that she had “drilled through” “all six” of the questions that Bush was going to ask:
BARBER: So here’s what you to be prepared for, Captain Kennedy, is that the president is going to ask some questions. He may ask all six of them, he may ask three of them. He might have such a great time talking to you, he might come up with some new questions. So what we want to be prepared for is to not stutter. So if there’s a question that the president comes up with that we haven’t drilled through today, then I’m expecting the microphone to go right back to you, Captain Kennedy, and you to handle [it].
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Bushie is desperate, Bushie is desperate!
He knows he's a loser.
A recent poll indicates that 17% of pugs polled believe that Bushie will leave office considered as a good president.
October 13th, 2005 at 6:17 pmHA! Deny that he is a BRAINLESS PUPPET now, idiot neocon fascist scum!!!
October 13th, 2005 at 6:18 pmLooks like Card is winning that White House civil war. Rove would have been scratching the press corps' bellies and having them do stupid pet tricks for Texas ranch hot dogs instead of eating McClellan alive.
October 13th, 2005 at 6:31 pmI wish that we could have seen/heard the answer when Scott asked "Are you suggesting that what our troops were saying was not sincere...or not their own thoughts?" Do you think that one of the journalists maybe, just maybe, would have the balls to say "Yes, we are suggesting that!" Maybe Stephen Colbert should get real press credentials and a "day pass", because you know that he has the balls!
October 13th, 2005 at 6:33 pmwhy doesnt anyone call this beeyotch on her lie? Why doesn't anyone thusly comment "Excuse me, we have the video...care to reconsider your statement"?
same goes for the Cheney lie about not having "finacial interest" in Halliburton back in 2003. Pure, clear-cut lie...why doesn't any reporter shove this lie back down his top hole?
October 13th, 2005 at 6:34 pmIs the Press Corps finally awake?
Of course you know what this will mean to future Repugs: If #43 is forced from office it will have been the "liberal" press' fault. Just like they did to Nixon.
There's no accounting for where such thoughts will come from. Bushy Boy George is absolutely the worst President ever. And I've seen more than a few in my day.
October 13th, 2005 at 6:38 pmit's obviously genetically impossible for bushco to make a public statement without lying...
October 13th, 2005 at 6:39 pmJesus Christ! Does EVERYONE in this administration lie? How about the guy who cleans the toilets, does he lie, too? Is that like a pre requisite to work for this group of crooks?
October 13th, 2005 at 6:41 pm"Jesus Christ! Does EVERYONE in this administration lie?"
Yes. It seems that they do. Thanks for asking.
October 13th, 2005 at 6:43 pmEven Faux Radio News (NY Area) said it was pre-scripted.
October 13th, 2005 at 6:45 pmYou liberal scum are taking away from the "feel good" aspect of this story.
October 13th, 2005 at 6:45 pm#4 Jane, Scotty would have used his standard moronic response..."This is a back and forth".
October 13th, 2005 at 6:48 pmTotal Recall
October 13th, 2005 at 6:49 pmahhh...chipping away at the fake stuff is fun. Next a cardboard cut-out of bushie sitting in the oval office.
October 13th, 2005 at 6:55 pmSlowly america is waking up, you can tell by the anger of the die-hards. bush: 0 public 1, on this one. Well time to pay my 'fake' taxes? bushie is killing our millitary hour by hour, while he goes photo opting around the country. Impeach, he must shudder when he is forced to SEE this word. That sinking feeling and how to 'get out of it'....desprate looser...
These people are total frauds!
October 13th, 2005 at 7:04 pmSusan, I have the transcript: the reporter answered, "Nothing at all. I'm just asking why it was necessary to coach them." That reporter or someone else (the White House doesn't say who the journalist is in their press briefing transcripts) did keep up the "were the soldiers pre-screened/screening of questions" line, and Scott did the usual two-step. Scott's final answer on this subject was "I'm not aware of any such - any such activities that were being undertaken." He followed with "...the troops can ask the President whatever they want. They've always been welcome to do that." What a lying sack of shit!
October 13th, 2005 at 7:09 pmIt was just all over ABC World News Tonight. I guess the MSM isn't sleeping at the wheel after all!
FRAUDS! I F'CKIN HATE THESE A$SHOLES!!
October 13th, 2005 at 7:10 pmI have the skills you are looking for, Bush Admin., Dig me up.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:11 pmBig deal. More wasted TP space. Anyone here think Bill Clintonj didn't "drill through" a Q&A or two? What about Hillary, the world's biggest control freak? Anyone think her public appearances are unrehearsed? I didn't think so. Next topic, please.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:13 pmWow. Looks like the Trolls have joined the league of the undead.
Too bad they don't yet realize they've lost all moral and ethical standing on any political topic. They're a total waste of space.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:20 pmBSR: Both Bill and Hillary are INTELLIGENT (can you say "intelligent"?) people, and can speak extemporaneously without stuttering. They can also handle criticism, which is more than Bush can ever do. Go back to whatever hole you crawled out of.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:21 pmThere's a difference between setting up a Q+A and staging one to make it look like it's impromptu and then TELLING LIES about it as a matter of policy!
Everything that comes out of this administration IS A LIE!
October 13th, 2005 at 7:24 pmPoll: Bush Presidency Judged Unsuccessful
Duh!
October 13th, 2005 at 7:24 pmHey BS, it is the year 2005. Come out from under your rock and join the rest of the world.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:28 pmNYTimes surrenders.
It's free again. Get your "liberal media" here"
October 13th, 2005 at 7:29 pmTown halls used to be places where EVERYONE could speak. When Kerry was running, he took a heckler's question directly from the audience and allowed it to be aired on television. Republicans by contrast ARREST anyone who heckles.
The retards of the right who try to 'compare' the parties are just farting lies as usual...
October 13th, 2005 at 7:30 pm#18, miracle! ABC News reported the facts? Thats a first.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:31 pmMust Read --
George W. Bush's suicidal statecraft
It is a self-delusion for Americans to be told that the terrorists are motivated mainly by an abstract "hatred of freedom" and that their acts are a reflection of a profound cultural hostility. If that were so, Stockholm or Rio de Janeiro would be as much at risk as New York.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/13/opinion/edzbig.php
October 13th, 2005 at 7:32 pmHe's desperate and it shows.
Too bad his keepers have other things to do these days.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:32 pm#26 No thanks. I'm not giving them my email address, they are not worthy.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:33 pmSusan,
All of the reichwingers have a hardon over at least one of the clintons or kennedys. As soon as any topic comes up, they desperately try to change the subject from their own crooked mistakes to say 'yeah but what about clinton'. My belief if the best you can do is compare your guy to someone you hate as the 'measure' of their success - you clearly don't believe your guy is worth anything. After all, if you believe your guy is good you say 'we have the best president since FDR', you don't say 'but look how bad your previous politicians were'. Especially when those politicians provided over the second largest economic expansion in american history!
Bush is more suited to be the janitor at the whitehouse, than presiding over it.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:33 pmYou people just don't understand. You are just like me before I found out the truth. For years I have been using, and have worn out several copies of, my "Bible:" Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, G. & C. Merraim Company Springfield Massachusetts, U.S.A., 1977. My bible lists rehearsed and several synonyms--not one of which was "drilled through." However, when I Googled "Drilled, Through, Source" I was directed to "Rove's New Prevarication Proof Dictionary, K. Rove Company, Repugsville, D. C. 2005" and drilled through was listed as the best lie for rehearsed. Look it up and check out the other lies.
Click on Clyde for a laugh!
October 13th, 2005 at 7:34 pm#
Must Read –
George W. Bush’s suicidal statecraft
It is a self-delusion for Americans to be told that the terrorists are motivated mainly by an abstract “hatred of freedom†and that their acts are a reflection of a profound cultural hostility. If that were so, Stockholm or Rio de Janeiro would be as much at risk as New York.
http://www.iht.com/ articles/ 2005/ 10/ 13/ opinion/ edzbig.php
Comment by zbignew
That is an excellent article. Absolutely correct assessment by Brezinski.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:41 pmOn a more serious note, the question is not whether or not any appearance on TV or Radio, or in person is practiced, drilled through, rehearsed, or any other synonym. I even drill through a majority of my posts here. Of course all Presidents rehearse and practice their speeches, or it usually becomes painfully, or hilariously, obvious depending on your point of view in a very short time. The whole point of lying about the rehearsal of responses to DUHbya's questions is to cover the fact that thay are scared shitless that someone with brains may have infiltrated the meeting and will embarass their glorious leader. That is the reason they keep the dumb son-of-a-bitch in a controled environment; they cannot keep his motor mouth from missing on a few cylinders.
October 13th, 2005 at 7:45 pmI'm happy to see that AP is stating the obvious so that the sheep might finally wake up and see what's going on here...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051013/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq
October 13th, 2005 at 7:46 pmPhoto Op 101; don't lie about "drilling through" the questions before they are video taped while you are being video taped.
October 13th, 2005 at 8:01 pmThe whole pack has totally lost it... Reality TV in Iraq at it worst. When is someone going to drag bushco out of Our W.H. and put the gober away so he doesn't harm another country or further destroy this country...
October 13th, 2005 at 8:03 pm[...] On the subject of fakes, Think Progress has put up video of CNN’s Allison Barber admitting that she drilled President Bush through questions before his Pentagon teleconference briefing. Could the CIA’s new clandestine spy operation already have revealed a product of their own fraudulence? [...]
October 13th, 2005 at 8:07 pmNoticed that Andrea Mitchell's journalism skills were exemplary tonight and she really did a fine job of taking the administration to task ovet this phony Bush conference with the troops. I have been very critical of Mitchell and her inside baseball political reporting in recent appearances on Hardball. She has been very protective of this administration and the fact that she's married to the Federal Reserve Board Chairman makes her a walking, talking conflict of interest. If I can beat beat up on her for not doing her job I can certainly give her credit when she does. Bravo Andrea, where have you been all this time?
October 13th, 2005 at 8:19 pmMr. Evil #37,
Thanks for the laugh. :)
October 13th, 2005 at 8:21 pmBSR,
Bill Clinton is not president and neither is Hillary.
You are a fvcking moron.
October 13th, 2005 at 8:26 pmHey Spudge,
I think BSR is getting that idea about now.
October 13th, 2005 at 8:30 pmMSNBC Olberman's show was the best cut and paste video show of the entire day -- I am still laughing. McClellan was just short of a food fight in the press room. He was only surpassed by the King's performance: the prez can't even read his script. The soldiers were prepared and completed their mission.
October 13th, 2005 at 8:33 pmEveryone in the White House will be drinking tonight!
George is buying.
afterthought,
For some reason BSR can't come to grips with the fact that Bill Clinton is not the president and that democrats are not in power. BSR can't figure out that the shit this country is in is the fault of Bush and the republicans. It is like BSR lives in a dream state where Bill Clinton is still president and is incharge of the entire democratic party.
Or did you mean that BSR is starting to get the idea that they are a moron. :)
October 13th, 2005 at 8:34 pmBarber looks like another lesbian who has sold out to the dark side to munch carpet in Donald Rumsfeld's office instead of thinking for herself.
Since when did being a dyke confer a waiver of all social responsibility? Just following orders, eh?
October 13th, 2005 at 8:40 pmI was thinking both Spudge.
October 13th, 2005 at 8:41 pm[...] See, lying doesn’t work very well when there’s a camera filming the truth. Here is CNN’s video coverage of the event (thanks to ThinkProgress): [...]
October 13th, 2005 at 8:43 pmBush approval rating with blacks could = -1
(2% rating +/- 3% margin of error)
in other news, check out this article at michaelmoore.com abt the PITIFUL Gas Act of 2005.
October 13th, 2005 at 8:44 pmBarber eats at the "Y"?
October 13th, 2005 at 8:46 pm[...] Think Progress » Video: Pentagon Aide Admits Having “Drilled Through†Questions For Photo-Op [...]
October 13th, 2005 at 8:56 pm#41 Jay: Thanx. Sometimes humor can be as effective as snarling, cussing, pissed off, disinfranchised Americans that have been nearly crushed under this administration's unrelenting load of bullshit.
Hmmmm.... sort of reminds me of "intelligent design".
October 13th, 2005 at 9:23 pm#52
For some humor click on Clyde.
October 13th, 2005 at 9:28 pmCountdown was very very good tonight. 25 minutes on the dog & soldier show. It made me squirm it was so lame. Does ANYONE think that this is presidential discourse. "I like you!" "Well I appreciate that." C'mon. What are the 37% thinking? They can't all be that stupid, can they?
Nice riposte BSR. Hillary's a control freak, so we shouldn't ridicule Bush for a scripted "conversation". It wasn't a State of the Union address. You're supposed to rehearse public statements. This was......... I don't know what the hell it was, other than embarassing.
Maybe impeachment won't be necessary. He'll just be led out of the White House and into a waiting ambulance, never to be seen again. Cheney is more impeachable anyway.
October 13th, 2005 at 9:30 pmThis is an independent here. I agree with #55 for once. There are some challenges. The Democrats will have to run the right candidates, not always the easy thing to arrange. It can be done.
October 13th, 2005 at 9:57 pmAndrew,
There are 6 iraqi veterans who are running in key congressional districts already. They are fighting the 'military idiocy' of the republican NeoCon chicken hawk war machine. That's a GREAT start, and I doubt those six will be the last!
I'm sure republicans who've never served in the military will find some way to accuse these fine men and women of being terrorists - but then again, that's the sort of smear and slime that right wing religious lying terrorists always spew out!
October 13th, 2005 at 10:01 pmRehearsed or not, does anyone here really believe that a dedicated military man would hang his career out to dry by embarrassing the Commander-in-Chief? Not gonna happen. His career would be over. Ruined. Military personnel are not political, except for the senior officers. But the average grunt is so full of duty, honor and loyalty, they will do what they think is right.
Besides, remember what happened a few months ago to the Pentagon whistleblower who told about the Halliburton ripoffs? Enough said.
October 13th, 2005 at 10:17 pmPercentage drop in Nixon approval rating from high to low:
54%
Percentage drop in GW Bush's approval rating from high to low:
54%
Realization that the republicans are on a fast sinking ship of the damned:
October 13th, 2005 at 10:26 pmPriceless
Nice riposte BSR. Hillary’s a control freak
How does he know this? Does BSR like a little spanky administered by a cruel Dominatrix in black leather ala Condi? Most GOOPers do, if they are not molesting little boys and girls.
October 13th, 2005 at 10:29 pmActually I realize I made a mistake, Nixon only dropped 44% percent - bush's drop is WORSE! In fact the only president in recent history who dropped worse was his loser dad who dropped 60%! Come on George, add to your legacy. You can beat your dad at this failure to - I know you can! Only 5 more percentage points - surely Miers can piss off enough of the freaks to make you beat daddy's failures with even more grand failures of your own - it's your legacy!
October 13th, 2005 at 10:45 pm#59 - Ryan, you need to make a commercial out of that! :-) :-) :-)
October 13th, 2005 at 10:56 pmThis is BIG! It doesn't matter if the Clinton's scripted anything or not. By Bushie scripting this, it goes to his continued attempt at trying to paint a rosy picture of his culture of death (i.e., the war in Iraq).
It's obvious that Rove is too busy getting ready for his Grand Jury appearance, otherwise this probably wouldn't have happened. Just think what'll happen if Rove goes to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison?!
October 13th, 2005 at 11:01 pmIraq has descended into anarchy
Most of Iraq is in a state of anarchy, with insurgents controlling parts of Baghdad just half a mile from the so-called Green Zone, an Independent debate was told last night.
Al Qaeda in Iraq says Zawahri letter is fake - Web
DUBAI (Reuters) - Al Qaeda's wing in Iraq on Thursday rejected as a fabrication a letter by a top group leader that was issued by U.S. officials and suggested deep internal rifts among militants.
According to the letter, released this week by U.S. intelligence officials, al Qaeda's second in command Ayman al-Zawahri urged the group's leader in Iraq to prepare for an Islamic government to take over when U.S. forces leave.
The letter warns Zarqawi the killing of Shi'ite civilians and hostages risked alienating Sunnis at a time when al Qaeda in Iraq should be seeking support for a religious state.
But Al Qaeda's wing in Iraq said the letter's release showed the "bankruptcy plaguing the infidels' camp".
"We in Al Qaeda Organization announce that there is no truth to these claims, which are only based on the imagination of the politicians of the Black (White) House and their slaves," the group said in a statement posted on an Islamist Web site.
"All of this is in a letter attributed to our Mujahid sheikh ... and naturally we do not know how and where this letter is to have been found," said the statement signed by the group's spokesman in Iraq.
U.S. officials said the July 9 letter, addressed to Iraq's al Qaeda leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, was obtained during
operations in Iraq.
SPLIT OVER AUTHENTICITY
In Washington, U.S. officials and experts were split on the letter's authenticity
October 13th, 2005 at 11:23 pmClinton would still have support for the war if he were in Bush's shoes.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:25 pm#22:
You shouldn't use words such as "extemporaneously" when addressing bush lovers- Think about it... :-)
October 13th, 2005 at 11:38 pmI like Jane.
October 13th, 2005 at 11:56 pmBrian, I think if Clinton would of been in office for 9/11 he would of done much better than Bush. First of all Clinton is much smarter, he would of gone for Benlauden and not given up. All those planes would of never flown out of this country after 9/11. Hell he would have been up to the task and 9/11 might of been diverted all together. I don't think Iraq would of been a target and you can bet Clinten woulden't ever hold hands and strole through the flower garden with a saudi enemy.....This mess is on the Bush watch, thousands have died because of his wrong actions or non actions...If Clinten were still in office our world would be a better place than it is today.....Blessings
October 14th, 2005 at 12:01 amMargaret Thatcher calls Iraq war unfounded:
She was quoted as saying: "As a scientist I know you need facts, evidence and proof - and then you check, recheck and check again...The fact was that there were no facts, there was no evidence, and there was no proof."
The question on everyone's mind, is why does Ronald Reagan's favorite prime minister and this staunch Conservative hate America?
October 14th, 2005 at 1:03 amIf I may add:
The fact that bush has such a deep-seated hatred for the courageous people in the military, that he considers them as mere props offends me to no end.
bush himself is a mere prop for the neocon cabal infesting the USA government. That cowardly prop uses brave people as props, all the while despising them for doing what he refused to do- Serve the USA with patriotism.
The fact that rove and bush could find supposedly educated officers who would blindly parrot the repugnican party line in a theater that has proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that bush lied, and sold-out our military people, makes me worry for the first time since the Vietnam debacle that our armed forces are once again led by morons.
I volunteered for military service right after the Vietnam debacle, when doing so would make you a marked man...
Not a single fellow military person >I
October 14th, 2005 at 1:04 am#6, The press seems to be living a scene from 'Awakenings', let's hope the stay awake long enough to make dumbya leave office.
I said it was fake while the first soldier was reading his script! I was dumb struck when the press started saying the same.
Scottie should be glad I wasn't in the press asking questions! I would have told him I was suggesting nothing, simply stating that this moron pRESIDENT never ever meets in that type of setting without screening and coaching the participants. Remember the so called town hall meetings?
I think the WH is falling apart, rover on a leash, crash cart cheeney mad ad the brainless wonder. This leaves the "b" team in charge and it really really shows.
What a beautiful day!
October 14th, 2005 at 1:28 amat not ad
October 14th, 2005 at 1:30 ammad at the brainless wonder
Ever wonder HOW incorrect the idea of a 'liberal' MSM is?
The 2002 American Journalist survey found that only 37 percent of journalists called themselves Democrats - this is far lower than the general population. Editors and publishers are considerably more conservative (republican) than journalists.
What does that spell? A reichwing propagandist press!
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October 14th, 2005 at 5:55 amWell, woke up despondent again.
October 14th, 2005 at 8:15 amWhy doesn't Bush know who leaked Plame's identity?
Why hasn't he done something about it?
If the media was indeed LIBERAL perhaps they would have used this gaffe by the White House to show just how scripted all Bush's events are. Like his "Town Hall Meetings" with Social Security and the infamous box in the back in last years debates with John Kerry. But that would be too tough of a story, I guess.
October 14th, 2005 at 8:19 am"Town Hall Meeting" is now synonymous with "select audiences".
How long before Americans start resenting soldiers who support Bush? Who ARE these military who participate in state propaganda? Are they really soldiers?
October 14th, 2005 at 8:25 amWhen a journalist plants a question for a soldier to ask Rumsfeld about armored vehicles, thats ok. When Bush's team is preping soldiers for an interview, not telling them what to say, thats not ok. This whole episode is not even news and is an attempt to cover up the good news about the constitutional vote tomorrow. I'll say it again, how can anyone think the MSM is not liberal minded with an agenda?
October 14th, 2005 at 9:30 amSee http://TheFuturum.com - you can send message to eternity there.
October 14th, 2005 at 9:34 am#78 Obviously a "yes" vote would be a good thing for all Iraqi's but you act as if the confirmation is a given. Do you know something the rest of us don't? Is Ken Blackwell, Karl Rove and Jeb Bush going to certify the vote?
October 14th, 2005 at 9:42 amLHS - did you actually hear the "prepping?" It was on NPR and was disgraceful. I'm sure Faux News wasn't playing it.
The MSM is owned by large republican corporations and your lovely news station is owned in part by Saudis.
Are you stupid?
October 14th, 2005 at 10:00 am#78
The difference is, Bush's teleconference was a set-up by his administration, who has so far tried to lie about it and cover it up.
While the guys preparing to speak to Bush may not have been told what to say, it was not a "give and take." It probably wouldn't have been so bad if the soldiers were simply given a heads-up about what topics Bush was going to be discussing, but it went way beyond that.
October 14th, 2005 at 10:03 amYou know, with out Rove it's all just so... amatureish. The sad part is that this kind of scripting has been going on the whole time, we just didn't get to see it because Turdblossom kept it all under tight control.
If the Turdblossom gets indicted and convicted, we can expect more of this kind of blundering for the rest of DUHbuhya's term.
October 14th, 2005 at 10:05 am#78 The problem here is that the White House LIED again and STAGED another event in an attempt to CREATE their own REALITY. Then when they were caught doing it THEY LIED ABOUT IT. They LIE so much they have no integrity left! It's disgusting!
October 14th, 2005 at 10:05 am#78
One more thing...
It's more of the same sh*t that the Repugs have been practicing for quite some time now. Make a public statement or take some type of action and then later deny everything. Only problem is, there is undeniable proof. Case-in-point: Dr. Video himself, Sen. Frist. Need I say more?
October 14th, 2005 at 10:08 am#78,
Fact is, if you have to ask what the problem with this administration is, you've been "left behind". Don't worry though little buckaroo, when it FINALLY dawns on you, we'll be here for you because we care about our fellow Americans and would hate to see anyone slip through the proverbial cracks. When you start to worry about our country and you realize that the Bushies and the rest of the GOP are in it for the money and the power, have no respect for democracy, other people or YOU.....take heart because you are not alone.
If all that sounded patronizing, that's good because it was supposed to.
October 14th, 2005 at 10:24 amThey have been abandoned and left on their own. The repubs are so divided that they don't know which talking point to regurgitate. Whenever the trolls are baffled and don't know how to spin yet another new corruption scandal, they always have Clinton. They must dream of him and his wife nightly. I bet they sit at work and think about the two of them while trying to stay focused. He invades their meals and I bet they talk about the Clintons to their children.
Trolls are funny, watch this: You know, Clinton and JFK were the best presidents ever. They were both good looking too. I LOVE THE CLINTONS!!
October 14th, 2005 at 10:41 amMeanwhile, Allison Barber did a MUCH better job when she was standing in for CrackerJack. When he came out and tried to "mix it up" a bit and reword, so it wouldn't sound TOOOOO rehearsed, he flubbed and stuttered and, as usual, had that wierd laugh that seems to invade him when is confused.
What's the deal with that strange gasping for air and then laughing thing? And now a tick. He is really scary. Without Rover, he is not gonna' be able to not say stupid crap. He will, eventually, say what he really means and not what is scripted for him and MAN THAT WILL BE A HOOT. Keep talkin'.
October 14th, 2005 at 11:01 amSpeaking of conducting interviews which deceives the views....
Bush scripts his interviews. Michael moore cuts and edits his interviews so that he gets what he wants no matter what the person being interviewed is saying.
Bush is pathetic.
Moore is your god.
Hmm...
(Go Bush!)
October 14th, 2005 at 11:13 amNot that I would ever watch it (it's blocked out on all the TV's at my house) but I saw online today that Faux News actually did cover it. Although I'm wondering how thoroughly and what kind of commentary went along with it.
October 14th, 2005 at 11:15 am"it’s blocked out on all the TV’s at my house"
cough*bullshit*cough
dont try to make yourself seem cool, you probably just dont watch it.
October 14th, 2005 at 11:17 amFOX=the bible
October 14th, 2005 at 11:25 am#89
October 14th, 2005 at 11:37 amLet's see: Bush is the leader of the only world superpower (though our status there may be slipping, thanks to Bush), and Moore is in the entertainment field (even if he is political, it is still 'entertainment', and not directing policy - like sending others off to die or torturing people... you get my point). Yeah. It makes sense to comapre the two, as they work in the same field (that's sarcasm). And, as others here have posted, it is not the issue that it was rehearsed, it is that they LIED, before and after, INSISTING that there was no scripting, no rehersals, when evidence clearly shows otherwise. They lied to try to paint a picture that "all is going well in Iraq, the trroops are happy, the people are happy, its all great and hunky-dorey". THAT is the issue and the PROBLEM with this instance. If it is all really hunky-dorey, why not have unscripted and untutored soldiers, from the front line, randomly chosen, to freely ask questions or comment. THAT is what they were trying to make everyone BELIEVE this was, when it was not.
I have never watched any of Moore's material, so i can't specifically comment on him, his theories, or his politics.
I HAVE been watching Bush (the president): "He may look like an idiot, and he may talk like an idiot, but don't let that fool you. He IS an idiot."
Yesterday's staged teleconference with troops in Iraq is only the attempt by the Bush administration to erect a facade over its growing failures. From rented reporters, purchased pundits, and rigged rallies to scripted sessions, fake news and pseudo-science, an unapologetic White House has sought to alter public perceptions to control political debate - and reality itself.
For the full story, see:
"The Potemkin President."
October 14th, 2005 at 11:39 amPlease stop slandering the troops. Whatever you think of what Bush did, it is obvious those brave soldiers wanted to be a part of it.
Until the left realizes this, they will be doomed to the political minority.
October 14th, 2005 at 11:47 amI am not saying that since Moore does it, Bush should. I am saying while they both did the same thing, liberals ignore the fact that moore did it while wanting to hang bush for it. Im just saying things that bush does, liberals inflate it thinking its the crime of the century.
Also, i have to admit that Bush is a horrible public speaker. Maybe he rehearsed it so he doesnt screw up like he tends to do while speaking.
I have a brother in Iraq and from what he tells me, the troops for the most part are happy (or as happy as they can be while fighting a war). It is not a hell hole over there and soldiers are not shooting themselves in the foot so they can get off the frontlines like in Vietnam. And as soon as i get out of college, i intend to enlist myself.
By the way, do you support Clinton? I do, but like Bush he lied and under oath, why didnt the liberals go after him? because when a republican does it, its the crime of a life time. And dont say you acutally believe he didnt think he was lying under oath.
October 14th, 2005 at 11:54 amSince our army is standing and volunteer, it has no check. Criticizing the military is patriotic.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:06 pmConservatism is dead. Please demonstrate a modicum of decorum and drag your fetid, stinking corpse away from here to rot. You are stinking up the joint. Things are so bad for the GOP, that slimy lizard Newt is going to have to come out of retirement to run for president in 2008. Everyone else will be dealing with scandals, or prison.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:06 pmFvck The Army.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:07 pm"We've come to see the Wizard...Can we see the Wizard??"
"NO ONE SEE'S the WIZARD...NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO SEE THE WIZARD!!!"
"Toto get away from that curtain..Toto NO! don't go near that curtain!!....TOTO!!!....
"Oh my goodness, you're the Wizard??!"
October 14th, 2005 at 12:16 pmWell, let's take a roll call shall we:
Captain Kennedy
Captain Smith
Captain Pratt
1st Lt. Gregg Murphy
Master Sgt. Corine Lombardo
WHat are the ranks of the other 6 people in the video. Does anybody know where I can get a blow up of the video. I can tell what there ranks are if I could see them closer.
Why is this important? Because all of these guys are officers, one being a noncom.
This is complete and udder bulshit. Fvck you NeD. CO and NCOs are not the average soldier on the street. I was in the military and it is very much an us versus them kind of thing.
This is flatout bullshit.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:17 pmi smell a thesaurus user. Haha are you kidding? things are bad for the GOP?
our president is republican, we just appointed a republican chief justice, the mjority of justices are conservative, the majority of the senate is republican (55-44)the majority of the house is also republican (231-202) hmmm things are looking real bad for the gop, they just cant seem to get anything right.
haha sit down and think things over before you post your drivel.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:22 pmClinton is old news my silly little conservative friends. He is out of office, has no power and isn't the one ruining our country now. Your guy, the really stupid, incompetent one that has trouble working without three nets and a harness....he's the one ruining the country.
Things in Iraq are an unmitigated disaster and I'm also relying on people that are on the ground for their information. However, I'm relying on dozens of journalists throughout the country, not one soldier in one location that may in fact be quite tame and safe. I guarantee your brother is not in Baghdad or in any of the predominantly Sunni provinces because they are not quiet or safe as the nightly news and its relentless horror show. Bombings and massive, horrible death EVERY single day is right there for you to see and you and the Bushies want to tell us that things are peachy keen. Come on people, how f^&*% stupid do we look? Believe your eyes not the propaganda.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:23 pm#103
i recall taht what clinton did, he did while he was in office.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:24 pmr00sh,
Listen, I respect the fact that you are willing to back up your beliefs by putting your ass on the line and enlisting, unlike so many conservative frauds. I would only add, the cause is fraudulent and you are a pawn. You might want to stay in school a bit longer because you haven't been learning the truth. Knowledge is useless if it's not based on facts. As for post #104, I have no idea what you're referring to, you might want to elaborate.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:28 pmNot very forward looking. How are you going to win future elections if all you can do is point to past elections as accomplishments? You can't very well point to the present. Things are almost as bad as the great depression and we are involved in a protracted, illegal war of occupation and attrition. You are shitting bricks, just like the dead cons at the WH and in Congress. Whistle all you want. You ain't passing the graveyard, you are being planted in it.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:29 pmActually, he was fighting in Tikrit. I dont think thats a tame or safe place to be. He could have chosen to handle mail but he chose to fight.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:33 pmComment by r00sh — October 14, 2005 @ 11:54 am
You plan to enlist?? For what? Do you think that occupying a soverign country, invading, blowing the piss out of Iraqi civilians is a "noble cause"?
Do you honestly believe that a spread of democracy at the end of an AK or with smart bombs is going to provide safety and security for other democracies??
Your "noble cause" approach with a military policy is so f**ed up, it defies logic. It perptuates and feeds on itself. It never ends. Get that if you get nothing at all. You can not "defeat" an ideology. There is no "victory", ever unless you flatten, incinerate, your opponent.
So get real. We either get out or completely alter the middle east landscape forever by applying a "scorched earth" battalion.
Our military is for a defensive posture, our protection, not some nitwit nation building exercise that the jackass, occupying the white house, is hell bent on pursuing. And that quite frankly, along with your stupefying ignorance is the scariest thing of all.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:34 pmSpudge - like I said, please stop slandering the military. IT gives aid and comfort to the enemy.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:34 pmYou know what really gave me a big gut laugh? When the little puppet nailed his glove to the wall, pretending to help build houses during one of his photo ops. Hell, Laura did better than that.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:34 pmYes, the Rove/Cheney administration has managed to create a perfect storm of disaster. All of the very worst periods we've experienced as a country all wrapped into one giant mess. We have an economy on the brink of total collapse (largest debt and deficit in history, owned by China and Japan, outsourcing jobs that require skilled labor, corporate consolidation, union busting...etc.), a Vietnam-like situation in Iraq (although its worse because of the geopolitical stakes involved in the stability of the Middle East), attempts to destroy checks and balances, remove the separation between church and state, propaganda, secrecy, treason, revenge on dissenters, lost allies.....we are in the midst of the worst period out country has EVER been in. No question.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:36 pmFor my earlier post, i thought you meant he was not in power when he lied under oath, even though i thought it wasnt that big of a deal, im sure if bush had done the same thing, you would be calling for his head.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:36 pmr00sh
I am going to have to second Jay's comment:
"i recall taht what clinton did, he did while he was in office."
What the fvck does this mean or refer to?
October 14th, 2005 at 12:36 pm#104 that's right, while Clinton was in office, he did a few things:
Build a well-run and effective FEMA.
First Palestinian elections.
Peace in N. Ireland.
Overthrew a brutal dictator in the Balkans, and as an encore guided the region into democracy, rather than chaos and bloodshed.
Put N. Korea's nuclear weapons program on hold, opened up trade and communication (two powerful liberalizing forces).
Moved Libya into accepting responsibility for terrorism.
Secured a large number of loose nukes in the former USSR.
Oh, and there was something about a budget surplus, but since deficits don't matter, I guess a surplus doesn't either.
I don't know about you, but I long for the days when the worst complaint anyone had about the President was that he cheated on his wife. Buy some perspective with your tax cut, will you?
October 14th, 2005 at 12:37 pmAnd lucky for Bush, he already had a criminal record when he entered the oval office. Which is more a threat to you and your family, perjury in a civil case, or drunk driving on public streets? r00sh, you must be real proud of your man, there.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:39 pmAnne - it must bother you that you can't beat that little puppet. That's because you are out of touch and have no positive vision. In other words, you are the perfect liberal.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:39 pm#115 - so did Clinton unless you don't think rape and sexual harrasment are a crime. Why don't you get a new talking point that's not so hypocritical?
October 14th, 2005 at 12:40 pmr00sh,
Your brother is in Tikrit but he's "happy" and it's not a "hell hole"? Someone is lying friend, and it ain't me.
Did you look at the pictures that the military guys were posting on the Nowthatf&*%edup.com website? It was worse than a hell hole. You've been misled pal!
October 14th, 2005 at 12:42 pmto #114
Lets see what Bush did:
First Iraqi elections
overthrew brutal dictaor in iraq and is attempting to guide the region into democracy even though chaos and bloodshed is occuring at the moment.
Elections in Afghanistan
Removed the taliban from afghanistan.
N. Korean not a few weeks ago put its nuclear weapons on hold.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:42 pmRyan - please stop sympathizing with vicious murderers. It's sad.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:43 pmto 119
im not saying he is jumping for joy going bike riding in the streets but he is not going mad or anything. He is not shooting himself jsut to get off the front lines because it is just so horrible. its not vietnam even though some of you seem to think it is.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:44 pmRyan - you know a thing or two about smears, don't ya.
How did you feel on that November morning in 2004 when Bush and Republican party gained more seats? Tell me. Were you sad? Did you cry?
October 14th, 2005 at 12:46 pmSympathizing with vicious murderers? That's the rightwing, we're trying to remove them from office before they kill in greater numbers.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:47 pmagain to 119:
you want me to believe the media (which you liberals seem to hate so much unless they are telling you things you want to hear) over my brother?
i doubt my brother is spreading the right-wing propaganda to me.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:47 pmi recall taht what clinton did, he did while he was in office.
Comment by r00sh — October 14, 2005 @ 12:24 pm
Do you understand or know the difference between a multilateral action and a unilateral action??
What Clinton did was a multilateral action when we went in to Afghanistan. What your "action hero" dumbya did was a unilateral action.
And why does it always come back to Clinton anyways? He by all accounts was guilty of staining a blue dress and playing with a cigar. Whilst playing around, he also kept unemployment low, increased spending on poverty and social programs, improved our relations with the rest of the planet and we had a federal budget surplus. (Think of it in terms of a savings account as opposed to credit card debt so high you have to claim bankrupcy)
Remember 9/11 happened on your "action hero's watch, not on Clintons and Moores depication of dumbya taking 7 minutes to read my pet goat apparently is a lot more accurate than thought.
The kid's were being kind and letting dumbya catch up.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:47 pmI cried when they gained more seats because they stole them. Democracy is dead and the GOp killed it.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:48 pmbush wouldn't testify under oath! at least clinton had the cojones to be sworn in. and bush wouldn't go without cheney (ventriliquist) by his side! he's a pansy!
October 14th, 2005 at 12:48 pmThese wingnuts are total imbeciles, there's just no other way to say it. Sorry nitwitwingnuts, you're delusion is showing.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:50 pmWhy do you hate America?
Why do you slander the military?
Why do you support terrorism?
Squawk, polly wanna cracker.
Squawk, polly wanna cracker.
Squawk, squawk, squawk.
Hey NeD, Bush dumped you like a bad habit. He doesn't care about you and you, to him, are meaningless. Go adopt some babies, dude. Make yourself useful. Get over your obsession with us.
BTW - Clinton and JKF were the greatest presidents ever. They were wildly popular and I hope he continues to do good all over the world. Thanks, Clinton, for the nicest 8 years I can remember. I felt safe, secure and seem to have much more on hand cash. We miss you.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:51 pm#129 - shut up!!! You lost because you ran an asshole who was nothing more than a left-wing attack dog. No vision, no ideas and he didn't even have the balls to admit he was a liberal. No one stole anything - YOU LOST. AND you probably won't win enough next year to take back control with idiots and liars like Pelosi at the helm.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:52 pm#95
Ummm...Excuse me? I haven't seen any instance in this thread that the troops have been slandered.
#96
Sure Clinton lied under oath. About a sexual act. That did nothing to harm this country. That did nothing to harm no one but himself and his family. And perhaps his reputation (however, he seems to be quite popular in his post-presidency life...) That's probably why "liberals" didn't "go after" him. And yes, I'm quite sure he knew he was lying under oath. Because like most politicians, he probably thought he could get away with it. And like most politicians, he denied it until he could deny no more.
And it seems that you admit that Bush has lied ("...but like Bush he lied..."). So why aren't "conservatives" going after Bush?
As for continuing reactions to this fiasco, I just saw on Faux News that Larry DiRita released a statement. In it he said that the teleconference "posed technological challenges." Technological challenges? Maybe if this were being attempted in 1955. But 2005? Damn. Give me a freakin' break. What challenges related to technology were going to be solved by rehearsing/scripting a conversation with the President?
Also, apparently we aren't the only ones questioning this. Per Faux, "Some senior Pentagon officials told FOX News that they are angry that soldiers were coached at all before the video conference went live."
Why do some senior Pentagon officials hate the troops?
October 14th, 2005 at 12:53 pmis holding hands with a saudi prince "sympathizing with brutal murders"? cuz i saw bush holding hands with the saudis and he does business with the bin laden family. the saudis have public executions and stonings which are quite brutal. they bury the women up to their necks so their clothes can't be torn by rocks and expose their naked flesh to the stadium full of people.
are those brutal murders? why does the bush administration tolerate them so? why the holding hands? why the flying of the bin laden family out of the county after 9/11? huh? why?
October 14th, 2005 at 12:53 pmPP - Clinton's low point was lower than Bush's. AND how we will measure - Bush's party won't lose 52 seats next year. JFK's legacy was ensured by his death.
Bush did dump me like a bad habit. But, it doesn't mean anything to you. YOU still won't get back in power because you stand for nothing positive.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:54 pm#136 - Saudis donated 20 million to Clintons library. Remember that...
October 14th, 2005 at 12:55 pmThe election was stolen. There's too much evidence. If this is untrue, why did all of the Republicans fighting tooth and nail against Rush Holt's bill that would mandate paper receipts on electronic voting machines? Please let me know, because I thought voting and making sure all the votes counted was essential to democracy.
Answer that question you moron. You can't, because you are either really f^&*ng stupid or utterly misinformed. Since I know people here have tried to enlighten you, I'm going with stupid.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:55 pm#1337 actually clintons low point wasn't that low on the "approve/disapprove" poll. the right wingers on faux news have been comparing numbers from different kinds of polls to lie to their viewers. you can't compare apples and oranges.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:56 pmJay - you're a moron. I guess I have nothing to worry about next year in your bizarre conspiracy world.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:56 pm#141 - agreed on poll numbers. But, Bush will not lose 52 house seat and 12 senate seats next year. It will be nowhere near that. Clinton was so popular he couldn't get his VP elected. Try and seperate fact from fiction.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:58 pmto #128
"An election in an unstable country is a small victory, and considering that a MAJOR portion of the country boycotted this election - it was really as much of a failure as a victory"
alot of people risked their lives to vote, that is how much they wanted the democracy we were trying to give them.
"Bahaha, what nonsense!"
Saddam killed his people on purpose, we kill them because cowardly terrorists use them as sheilds. Not only did he kill them, he tortured some of them.
I dont think you have the right to say he wasnt thou, when evidence shows that he was.
"Lie. The taliban is still in many parts of remote afghanistan - and in fact insurgency is back up. Your chimp didn’t finish the job, and instead picked on Iraq leaving Afghanistan to fail."
they can be there all they want, they are not in power. hell, hitler could be in a hut in germany as an old man for all i care. it is not the person but their position that matters.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:58 pmDilemma, we're gonna see aren't we. You are in for a rude awakening because the Bush/Cheney/Rove admin is DONE and the Republican revolutino has been exposed. It's over for you the slimeballs and the sheeple are waking up. Every day is another didaster for the right. Every day more lies are exposed. Hahahaahahaha.
Hope the trip down is as fun as the trip up.
October 14th, 2005 at 12:59 pmJay - yawn....
October 14th, 2005 at 1:00 pmHow did you feel on that November morning in 2004 when Bush and Republican party gained more seats? Tell me. Were you sad? Did you cry?
Comment by The Northeast Dilemma — October 14, 2005 @ 12:46 pm
No, more like astounded. Astounded that anyone remotely resembling an upright walking homosapiens would possibly vote for the clown.
Absolutely demonstrated the power of the media and how simpletons can be easily manipulated. So the question is, how are you going to react when the manipulators, for which you have fawned, are exposed through indictments and possible impeachments.
What we moonbat's have been trying to enlighten you cheerleaders to over the last couple of years is finally floating to the surface and like the feces that this administration is, will smell and stay on top.
Hope you can find a shower or a tub big enough to get it off you cause you won't feel sad or cry. You'll feel like you've just been raped and molested.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:01 pmI'm not running, NeD. And, in my post, I did forget that talking point of yours:
We win you lose.
Got anything else? You only seem to know 10 sentences. Check out Saudi owned Fox for some more.
You really love Ryan don't you? All the trolls hate him like they hate Clinton. Maybe, just maybe, it's because it is so powerfully obvious that they are many levels higher than them on the IQ scale. Maybe, it's because he beats you everytime. Maybe it's because every lie you post, he proves you wrong. Maybe it's because you want so desperately to be JUST LIKE HIM.
Sorry to say, but you don't have the mental capacity or the heart. You don't have the knowledge or understanding of the subtle nuances that make his posts truly comprehensive. They are consice and succint and you could only hope that, one day, you will be able to understand what he is saying.
I bet you print Ryan Neat's posts and mull over them after work. I bet you have them next to your bed.
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October 14th, 2005 at 1:01 pmthey can be there all they want, they are not in power. hell, hitler could be in a hut in germany as an old man for all i care. it is not the person but their position that matters.
Comment by r00sh
Thanks for admitting that. It's what makes Bush so "special". It describes consevatism and it's failure in a nutshell. Keep talking. Get a bigger shovel. This self-interrment will go quicker.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:04 pmPP - you probably do the same with my posts. I really bother you for some reason. Good. I hope I bother you.
The whole IQ thing amazes me. Look at your leaders - Pelosi, Reid and Dean. About as sharp as a bowling ball.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:04 pmRyan - why do you hate Jews? You really are a brownshirt.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:07 pmNo NeD you don't bother me. I think it's cool that repubs are so obsessed with us. Maybe you guys can learn something. You need to be here; it's good for you. I posted about that earlier. It's kind of gruesome but we like tearing your lies apart. It gives us more confidence and, quite frankly, it props up our egos even more to know that so many like to be around us. To listen to us. To interact with us. It's quite flattering in a "that mangy dog keeps following me home" way. You know, so ugly it's cute?
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Comment by iheartbush — October 14, 2005 @ 1:01 pm
Better trolls, please. If we want to see cheerleaders, we got football season, and they are better looking. Oh, wait. Bush was a cheerleader in college, wasn't he?
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October 14th, 2005 at 1:11 pmso instead of commenting on the bush + bin laden family love affair you talk about a donation to a library? come on! address the issue! why is bush holding hands with princes of a terrorist state?
October 14th, 2005 at 1:13 pmby rOOsh: "I am not saying that since Moore does it, Bush should. I am saying while they both did the same thing, liberals ignore the fact that moore did it while wanting to hang bush for it. Im just saying things that bush does, liberals inflate it thinking its the crime of the century. "
Let me try to state this again: Moore works in entertainment. Bush works in the government. You're saying that we should be angry that a political commentator/entertainer skews the facts (though, again, I don't know that that's true - have YOU ever seen Moore's films, or are you just repeating the neocon line that "Moore is the Devil"?). Moore twisting the facts and/or lying ends up with how many people dead? Let's compare the STAKES between Moore's activities and Bush and Co's activities. I am NOT saying that this particular incident resulted in deaths, but if you're going to make comparisons of people and their professions, you need to look at the big picture. This is not the FIRST time this administration has lied to us, and many prior lies (e.g. WMD) have led to many deaths.
"Also, i have to admit that Bush is a horrible public speaker. Maybe he rehearsed it so he doesnt screw up like he tends to do while speaking. "
Fair enough. It is not a matter of whether Bush rehearsed his speech - in fact we all expect that. But the soldiers were presented as just being a sample of soldiers in Iraq and we were told that they were not given a list of questions to ask, and both statements are flat out lies, and there is video to prove it.
"I have a brother in Iraq and from what he tells me, the troops for the most part are happy (or as happy as they can be while fighting a war). It is not a hell hole over there and soldiers are not shooting themselves in the foot so they can get off the frontlines like in Vietnam. And as soon as i get out of college, i intend to enlist myself."
I hope you do. Those who argue the most for this war are, in the main, not those fighting the war. All of these young republicans, if they are so behind the war and this administration, SHOULD enlist - espescially since enlistment is so low. So to that I say "bravo", because you are willing to take responsible action for your beliefs. You don't have to finnish college before signing up, though. You can always go back to college (and there are programs, when youy're stateside, that will pay for college while you're enlisted). I myself volunteered and served in the 82nd, and was in two conflicts for this country. Didn't agree with either, but I signed because I believe it to be a moral duty, and I did my duty because it was the job I signed up to do. Your brother may think its all a happy picnic over there, but my military experience is that while most soldiers do their duty, many have serious questions about the intelligence or motives of our leaders, while others will simply 'tow the line, say everything's fine', whether they believe it or not (for various reasons).
And since you can't see the coffins returning, or any images of any allied dead, you are not going to hear about statistics of people shooting themselves in the foot (or such). You know it is happening. How about that whole unit that refused orders?
"By the way, do you support Clinton?"
When Clinton was in office I really was not concerned - he did good and bad, but he did not proceed to ruin our country and try to turn the government into a fascist regime. I took no stance either way. Right now, I don't care either - he is no longer president.
"I do, but like Bush he lied and under oath, why didnt the liberals go after him? because when a republican does it, its the crime of a life time. And dont say you acutally believe he didnt think he was lying under oath."
Oh, hell no: Clinton lied, and under oath. But he lied about getting a BJ. He was probably mainly afraid of Hillary's response if he just admitted it. He should have had a perjury charge. Bush is lying about people dying. Bush is lying about corruption in his administration. Bush's lies involve death and theft, racketeering and corruption. Bush and every member of his corrupt administration should be tried for treason against the country.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:13 pmComment by r00sh — October 14, 2005 @ 12:58 pm
Hey dickweed, ya got any pcitures of Saddam leading prisoners around on dog leads,naked?? That's how we develop democracy. How about the crimes that Saddam is being charged with?? Apparently he is being tried for ordering the extermination of 120 people charged with trying to assasinate him.
But, dumbya orders our military in and we drop smart bombs on a civilian village and blow thousands up. Collateral damage?? Is that what I heard out of your pin headed logic?
You and your friend Northeast Dildo ought to get together, buy a couple of cheerleader uniforms and appear in the next "Iraqi War Briefing" video starring President Dumbya, six fully briefed and disciplined Captains, surrounded by a cast of talking heads and our Allstar Cheerleading Team!
October 14th, 2005 at 1:16 pmThe whole IQ thing amazes me. Look at your leaders - Pelosi, Reid and Dean. About as sharp as a bowling ball.
Comment by The Northeast Dilemma
Reid suggested Miers to chimpy, who had a warring staff and no one to tell him what to do. Result: meltdown of the base. The man is a genius.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:18 pm#143
"Clinton was so popular he couldn’t get his VP elected."
Well...considering that Gore won the overall popular vote, I'd say that Clinton did a pretty good job. It was the electoral college that nailed Gore.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:19 pmMake that: Who *has* a wrring staff, and soon to be indicted staff. The long knives are out and the GOOPers do what they do best, cut each other to shreds.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:21 pmim game if northeast is.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:23 pmNED,
Polarization in America gives comfort to the enemy.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:23 pmCriticism of the military is patriotic.
I'd say it's high time to ignore the trolls. They got nothing and they are scared. We have even attracted a few new ones from cesspools like FReep and little green snotballs. Now that they are here, starve them.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:24 pmim gay if northeast is.
Comment by iheartbush
OK
October 14th, 2005 at 1:25 pmComment by iheartbush — October 14, 2005 @ 1:11 pm
Let me get this straight. You voted for Bush and you are proud of it?
Don't you feel unclean, smelly, like something dirty has brushed up against you?
It may not feel like it today, in fact, for some, it may take a bit longer, but you will feel it. It will be like admitting that you admire a pedophile, that you support genocide, that torture and and sticking your finger up your anus, is a good thing.
But on the other hand, just using your finger is a damn sight better than having you head there, which is apparently, where yours is.
Seek medical attention quickly before swelling occurs.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:27 pmRyan,
You are so full of yourself it is truly sickening. No one who comes here gets any kind of great education. They just get a pile of bs. Non-liberals who post here want to set the record straight. You are what is wrong with your movement.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:29 pm#144
"Saddam killed his people on purpose, we kill them because cowardly terrorists use them as sheilds."
...Uuuummm.... it is not morally justifiable to kill someone thqat a terrorist is "using as a human shield" just so you can get to the terrorist. Innocent deaths are never acceptable and never justifiable. It does not matter whether Saddam killed innocent people in the name of his regime or whether American weapons killed innocent people in the name of 'freedom': the innocents are still dead, and the blood stains the hands. No, I don't hate the troops (as I said, I was one of them), but "support your troops" does not mean "accept whatever atrocities the administration allows or orders to happen". Specific soldiers, however, may be another matter. And don't forget - its not just "our troops", its also a whole mess of mercenaries, paid for out of YOUR pocket. I will NEVER support mercenaries: they serve nothing but their own greed and bloodlust.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:31 pmRyan,
You are so full of yourself it is truly sickening. No one who comes here gets any kind of great education. They just get a pile of bs. Non-liberals who post here want to set the record straight. You are what is wrong with your movement.
Conservatism is a movement. A bowel movement.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:33 pm#173
Yup. Over half a million people who voted liked Gore better.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:33 pm#157 NED: So, being Jewish means that no one can ever say anything about you or it is anti-semitism. Is that what you are saying?
October 14th, 2005 at 1:33 pmOur founding fathers said that we must always question ourselves, to police ourselves as a country of one.
Stupid trolls, why do you hate America?
Why do you want our men and women to die overseas because you hate Saddam? You know, a little bird told me that Saddam didn't have any WMDs and was no threat to us. Shhhhhhhhh
Another question, why are you for a war that, IF THE TRUTH HAD BEEN TOLD, we wouldn't be in? Why do you want your brothers and sisters to keep dying with no way out? Why do you support a war that doesn't have an exit strategy? Why don't you fight too? They really need you!!! No, really. I seriously want to know why you don't go. Almost 2000 Americans are dead because of you. You owe it to them to fight with them, and not just send them.
Trolls, do you have a plan? Any clues? Hmmm?
October 14th, 2005 at 1:34 pmOle hit and run NeD. He hits, misses and runs. Typical WEAK punk.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:36 pm"After spending the last presidential campaign bragging about their support for the troops, Senate Republicans have cast several votes over the last year that exacerbate the pressures soldiers serving in Iraq are facing during their tours and when they come home. Today it was reported that hundreds of soldiers returning from Iraq after being attacked or wounded, waking up in hospital beds, often seriously wounded, only to find a mound of bills – from the military.
The Washington Post writes:
His hand had been blown off in Iraq, his body pierced by shrapnel. He could not walk. Robert Loria was flown home for a long recovery at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, where he tried to bear up against intense physical pain and reimagine his life's possibilities.
The last thing on his mind, he said, was whether the Army had correctly adjusted his pay rate -- downgrading it because he was out of the war zone -- or whether his combat gear had been accounted for properly: his Kevlar helmet, his suspenders, his rucksack.
But nine months after Loria was wounded, the Army garnished his wages and then, as he prepared to leave the service, hit him with a $6,200 debt.
The Republican leadership loves to stand by our troops when it's for a photo-op. But when it comes time to do the hard work of taking care of our troops they’re nowhere to be found. As DSCC Chairman Charles Schumer said today:
Senate Republicans think supporting the troops means giving speeches and attacking anyone who disagrees with the White House’s handling of the war. Each time they vote against providing body armor to those in Iraq or against ensuring that vets get the health care they are promised, they are forsaking those who risk their lives to protect our nation. The budget shortfalls caused by the GOP’s failure to properly take care of our service men and women force the Republican-led government to come up with the worst possible ways to fund veterans programs.
Read more about the Senate Republican’s routine failure to support our troops."
http://www.fromtheroots.org/story/2005/10/14/123818/26
October 14th, 2005 at 1:37 pmFvck you NeD. I am not slandering soldiers, as I was a soldier. Now, I am slandering any nincompoop officer that gets up in front of the world and says everything is going great, when it is clearly not. The guys that were part of this teleconference were stooges.
Go fvck yourself you stupid piece of sh!t. I will say whatever I want and I don't give a rats ass what you think about it. You are a republican zombie.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:38 pmC'mon NeD - you chickenhawk chicken. That's why I could never be a repub - they are weak and have to steal from others to win.
Answer Ryan, NeD. You are in such love with him. Give him the respect he gives you, even though you don't deserve it. That is why we, as progressives, are better than you. We give to everyone and you give only to get back. GREEDY punk.
October 14th, 2005 at 1:39 pmMore from a real grunt.
http://nitpicker.blogspot.com/
October 14th, 2005 at 1:40 pmRyan,
You are absolutely right. NeD is a big fat dumb sack of sh!t.
You want to tell me about the military, go join the military. Until then, you are like a family counselor that has never been married or had kids. Your words are meaningless.
I served in the US Army during Operation Desert Storm, under Smart Bush.
Bush 1 has pretty much given up on his retarded son.
October 14th, 2005 at 2:00 pmSince the trolls don't allow us to express our opinions on their blogs (not on the popular ones anyway), this is the only place we can have a dialogue (sort of) between the two sides. Keep the channel open.
Remember, if you opposed invading Iraq in 2003, you were in the minority. Today you are in the majority, and have been proven right.
October 14th, 2005 at 2:08 pmHow many soldiers have come back wounded? I think when only the dead soldiers are mentioned we are losing sight of the TOTAL human loss. As you all know, you don't get sent home and off the lines unless you are too wounded to continue fighting, which generally means crippled for life.
October 14th, 2005 at 3:09 pmWas it a Setup? Or just Business as Usual?
Everybody is blogging about the pseudo Q & A with military personnel. But there's lots of other chatter today, too.
October 14th, 2005 at 3:20 pmWhat the hell happened here? I check back in here and see all this GO BUSH crap!! Where did that idiot iheartbush come from? What does "You Own" mean (or is iheartbush dyslexic?)
"What a senseless waste of human life."
October 14th, 2005 at 4:00 pmMy vote - dyslexic.
October 14th, 2005 at 4:12 pmyour link to Allison Barber video is down or has been hacked.
October 14th, 2005 at 4:30 pm...Re. #185 - Thank goodness the TRUTH WILL set us free , Ryan ! PLUS , we get the added ( and oh-SO-enjoyable ) bonus of watching black-hearted neocons EXPLODE , screeching as they writhe , " We'rrre meltinnggg , meltinngggg , What a world , what a world ... ! " - TOO much fun , isn't it ?!? ... ;)
October 14th, 2005 at 6:53 pmYeah, I came here to see the video and poof it's gone.
Here are some of my thoughts:
I guess in a way if you support the troops you also support the government. This is not an easy one to manage. But let me see if I can make it manageable. First I support those that are willing to go to war
for our country under honorable intentions. I also support those in
Iraq in a different way: I pray they will make it back to their loved ones! I in no way support the warmongering government we have today, its criminal how they have changed laws to protect their greedy asses
and that tells me that their intentions are only to protect themselves from the crime they know they will do in the future.
With known intent I can safely say that our governments intention's never included protecting us but themselves. So If they are only protecting themselves then all that flag waving, ceremonys, undigestiable speeches, shaking soldiers hands and handing out MREs on holidays was just meant to appease us the people. Because it was all done to make themselves our government look better in the light of those fallen US soldiers in that distant land called Iraq. While our
government keeps this pursuit up to make themselves look good many in our own land have been lost to the cause by the governments lack to fund specific programs and especially the lack of funding for the infrustrature of our levies, roads, schools and borders. We are not nearsighted out here in America, we know when someone doesn't really care we can see it in their eyes and hear it in their voice.
So next time president Bush goes to aire his speech of "We must stay and fight for our freedom", try and remember who's freedom he is talking about?
October 14th, 2005 at 6:53 pmWow, the lying chickenhawks really went off the deep end this time. rOOsh doesnt even have a brother let alone one who serves in the military. We'll just say that he's delussional.
NED on the other hand is confusing his various personalities and really should get back on the meds.
October 14th, 2005 at 8:33 pm#168, LOL! the Northeast Dildo reference, I missed it earlier. LOL! Bet he runs on 3 C (con) (chickenhawk) (crooked) batteries.
October 14th, 2005 at 11:17 pmRyan, some of the media (mainstream believe it or not) reports I heard actually stated that this could be covert propaganda and suggested this could be another violation of using taxpayer money.
I hope Bushie is forced to reimburse the American People's money. He can't claim he "didn't know" this time.
October 14th, 2005 at 11:21 pmBush's latest publicity stunt is the worst to date. He should be investigated for spending taxpayer money on OVERT propaganda. Not only was the entire thing scripted, staged and carefully rehearsed, the female officer is actually a public relations employee of the Pentagon. The entire thing was a sham, an excuse for Bush to "showboat" the troops, and a lame attempt to drum up some of the lost support for his war.
October 14th, 2005 at 11:58 pmLooks like the OVERT propaganda just shifted into a propaganda NEWS OUTLET.
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Republican_National_Committee_debuts_online_news_1014.html
Goebbels would be proud of these spawn of satan Leo Strauss brought to our shore. They're perverted evil creatures!
October 15th, 2005 at 12:57 amSad to know so many people believe Bush should run the country with undefined, undocumented, unrehearsed and uninformed wit. So obvious many company's employee's do. Just look at the school system. Children segregated by status and committed to "Title One" schools. This was enacted during a Democrat President. The foundation of our country rotts. Thanks to Bush the road to repair is being paved.
October 15th, 2005 at 7:32 amP.S. Those whom hate the war in Iraq.. Simply put. War is not supposed to be fun. But to turn our backs away from the needs of the many will only provide for the worst.
The female officer interviewed by Bush in his publicity stunt of Thursday is actually a public relations agent for the Pentagon. Her job is to make the Iraqi war sell favorably to the U.S. Her script, like the others, was carefully written to appear spontaneous, but she was doing her job as PR gal.
October 15th, 2005 at 9:26 amBush & Co. are even more dishonest than we think.
#197 Ryan,
Thanks man. I appreciate your compliment and am glad that unlike NeD, you could figure out that the middle section of my quote was aimed at NeD and not you.
October 15th, 2005 at 12:37 pm#211 =Cy
You need to check your facts there buddy. You are a zombie troll. Your dad should be ashamed of the fact the you are so stupid. DO you take the little yellow bus to work?
Go read something (besides Fox) and then come back with some facts.
October 15th, 2005 at 12:45 pm"Another question, why are you for a war that, IF THE TRUTH HAD BEEN TOLD, we wouldn’t be in?" - PP
October 15th, 2005 at 1:44 pmYou never seem to notice that the info relied on by BushCo was the SAME info relied on by ClintonCO. Your retention of facts isn't very good - or consistent. Bill Clinton sent troops to assist the genocide of Muslims and many Repubs wrongly criticized him. I was not one of those complicit in the wholesale slaughter of people based on their ethnicity. I PUBLICLY agreed with our President on Bosnia. This statement WILL NOT sink in with you as you do not wish to hear any common ground we might have. To my dismay, however, Clinton DID NOTHING when discovering the Hussein plot to kill Bush I. He should have gone over there and killed that maniacal son of a b*%&ch. What was Clinton's response to the USS Cole bombing? Did the "paper tiger" wake up when our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were attacked?? I don't think a Democratic administration has done a credible job at defending our country since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis. The perception the public have re: Dems and progressives as weak kneed hand-wringers is very telling - based on the lack of credible response from Dems - can you spell C-A-R-T-E-R?? Clinton is not too far behind in the dictionary or definition.
Bill Clinton sent troops to assist the genocide of Muslims and many Repubs wrongly criticized him.
You are ridiculously ill-informed or you would lie to your own mother to make a buck. I'd say a little of both.
October 15th, 2005 at 3:55 pmThese people are just addicted to telling "the big lies".
October 15th, 2005 at 3:57 pm"You never seem to notice that the info relied on by BushCo was the SAME info relied on by ClintonCO. Your retention of facts isn’t very good - or consistent. Bill Clinton sent troops to assist the genocide of Muslims and many Repubs wrongly criticized him. I was not one of those complicit in the wholesale slaughter of people based on their ethnicity. I PUBLICLY agreed with our President on Bosnia."
So what you're saying is that you weren't wrong but the entire republican establishment was wrong? Wait a second, I thought you said that libs are ALWAYS wrong? So which was the lie, the previous statement you made that said we're always wrong, or the one you just made that said we were right? You lie and contradict yourself so much it's hard to know which lie is bigger...
As for Clinton sending troops to assist in genocide - you have that backwards (as you always do), he sent troops to PREVENT genocide of muslims. But then again as a propagandist nitwit that always reverses the truth at your convenience, it must get hard keeping all of the lies stacking up in the correct order.
"This statement WILL NOT sink in with you as you do not wish to hear any common ground we might have. To my dismay, however, Clinton DID NOTHING when discovering the Hussein plot to kill Bush I."
You're SUCH a bad liar you stupid bitch.
" The circumstances of the alleged plot, which ended in a trial and conviction of 11 Iraqis and three Kuwaitis, have always evoked skepticism, although Clinton himself was apparently sufficiently convinced after receiving reports from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to order a missile strike on the Iraqi intelligence headquarters in Baghdad that killed six civilians in June, 1993."
"He should have gone over there and killed that maniacal son of a b*%&ch. What was Clinton’s response to the USS Cole bombing?"
Clinton attacked, and the plot was foiled. It was considered 'amateurish' by american intelligence, who weren't even conviced it was Saddam who was behind it. Clinton in fact was MORE convinced than investigators were of Saddam's involvement.
The cole occurred in the final months of the Clinton administration - and the 'response' was handed to the BushInepts to handle. It was BUSH who did nothing - but that fact doesn't fit into your delusion, so of course you make irrational and stupid statements that just show how inept bush was, not clinton.
"Did the “paper tiger†wake up when our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were attacked?? "
Actually he did respond. You wouldn't know that from the propaganda sites you clearly scrape your loads of crap from though.
"In response to the bombings, U.S. President Bill Clinton ordered Operation Infinite Reach, a series of cruise missile strikes on terrorist targets in Sudan and Afghanistan on August 20, 1998, announcing the planned strike in a primetime address on American television.
Investigations into the embassy bombings were conducted by the FBI and Kenyan and Tanzanian authorities. A list of suspects was drawn up and several men were charged for their involvement in the bombings."
You also forget that Clinton's staff warned Bush that terrorism should be the TOP american priority - bush ignored them all, and replaced their expert judgement with the NeoCon agendas of attacking saddam and fighting a 'drug war' so that more african americans would lose the right to vote. Republicans are RESPONSIBLE for 9/11, because you stupid morons where asleep at the wheel and didn't listen to those who KNEW BETTER - just like YOU NEVER DO.
"I don’t think a Democratic administration has done a credible job at defending our country since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis."
Uh, well that's just bullshit. First of all we haven't been attacked since WWII other than by 'terrorists', which aren't a country. The fact is democrats did come up with fairly comprehensive plans, but constantly fought idiot republicans to implement them until 9/11 happened. And while we're talking about 'defending' the country, since republicans sold the plutonium to Iran, sold the WMDs to Iraq, and Trained, funded and equiped AlQueda, it's pretty clear that the republicans CREATED THE THREATS. If you want to protect america, keep republicans out of office! They (you) keep creating our enemies you dumbshit!
Remember Clinton PREVENTED the millenium bombing, and bush ALLOWED 9/11 despite CLEAR memos that warned, and as was recently discovered KNOWLEDGE of Atta and enough evidence that if they'd paid attention surely they would have been able to stop. There's clearly a bigger issue here, you blame democrats, when republicans are the ones that block democratic efforts. You guys have always been unpatriotic, and focus instead on wanting things 'your way'. You don't protect american interests, you protect your own delusions!
" The perception the public have re: Dems and progressives as weak kneed hand-wringers is very telling - based on the lack of credible response from Dems - can you spell C-A-R-T-E-R?? Clinton is not too far behind in the dictionary or definition."
Ah Perception. It's amazing what propaganda will do to frame a perception that's a lie. The perception of most germans was that Poland had attacked them, and that hitler was defending. The FACTS don't support this perception. The FACTS show that republicans are not only irresponsible, but inept.
That's why the CURRENT PERCEPTION is that less than 30% of americans actually have the perceptions that republicans are doing ANYTHING right. So perceptions change quickly - and your belief about how progressives are seen is so last week, and SO FALSE. But then again, you're a slow learner as we constantly see. When you try to fit the facts to your preconceptions, it's a delusion - clearly this is the world you live in! Hope you liked your chicken dinner, the Fascist Zionist NeoCons are gonna need every dime you can funnel to them!
October 15th, 2005 at 6:04 pmOh, and while we're talking about Carter, wasn't it Reagan who negotiated with the Iranians (while CARTER WAS PRESIDENT) and agreed to illegally sell them arms in exchange for hostages? And wasn't it CONservatives in the military under Carter that chose people with NO MILITARY experience to rescue the hostages - something irrational unless you want them to fail?
Your party has a long history of illegal, immoral and irresponsible acts that endanger american security and american well being. It doesn't matter if it's your attacks on the poor, the environment, healthcare or international security - you ALWAYS seem to be on the wrong side of american interests. You're the terrorists best friends!
October 15th, 2005 at 6:35 pmAssphrodite will not return.
"The original Greek word "idiotes" referred to people who might have had a high IQ, but were so self-involved that they focused exclusively on their own life and were both ignorant of and uncaring about public concerns and the common good."
October 17th, 2005 at 9:50 amIn response to #58 Leatherneck's observation that
October 17th, 2005 at 11:33 am"Military personnel are not political, except for the senior officers. But the average grunt is so full of duty, honor and loyalty, they will do what they think is right."
Very true. Despite my deep concern about the Iraq war and other Bush follies, as an active-duty soldier, I keep my trap shut whilst in uniform.
However, I think the real issue here is that soldiers should never, ever be put in this position in the first place. We are not political spokesmodels. It's one thing for a soldier to make upbeat conversation with a senior official during a visit or inspection, quite another for that kind of exchange to be exploited and broadcast for political grandstanding.
[...] But morning this at 6AM, the producer of the Ed Shultz show, James Holm, received a call from Pentagon communications aide Allison Barber. She told Holm that she was calling so early to let Shultz know his show would not begin airing on AFR today. You’ll remember Barber as the aide caught coaching troops before a photo-op with President Bush last week. [...]
October 17th, 2005 at 1:51 pmI am extremely embbarassed by the way things on the hill are run. Geezus, all "Slick WIlly" did was get a B.J., Bush on the other hand put us into a war with a lie. WHats more dangerous? a "bj" are and outright "lie"?
October 20th, 2005 at 10:00 amOne thing I see missing on all posts here is the term "Bilderberger" Everyone is under the curse they have brought about. They ALWAYS have both horses in the race. Clinton shook off the deficit but, he did it by gutting the social security box! He raided it by the billions! Thats why Gore was toting the "social security lock box" issue. A great book on this is The ABC's of Gold Investing by Michael Kosares. I do also believe that Bushie is an idiot. Does anyone see the problem with having only 2 families dominating the WH for so many years? Bush SR. did it by way of Reagan puppet. Does anyone remember Hinkley JR. ? Does anyone know that Hinkley SR. was an oil partner of Bush SR? It is time to throw congress OUT , all of them, They have sold us all out for a sack of gold. Lobbying should be made illegal! Do "we The People" have OUR lobbists? NO and never will America is corporation. Big Brother is a CEO!
October 20th, 2005 at 10:47 amBush wants us in martial law and us dead !!! He is in a cult . Skull & Bones . They think were stupid . Were in Demcacty , not republic . " Under God " will no longer be . Toll Roads everywhere . Concerntration camps . We are in the last days . If we Voteo bush will not be enough !!! The luminati , thier all realated all the people in crontrol over the world !!
October 20th, 2005 at 11:16 pmThe Latest "Talking Point" is the phrase "The Criminalization of Politics"....the neo-con right has it backwards.
October 21st, 2005 at 9:58 amBush gets slapped! 22 indictments! ESPIONAGE
October 21st, 2005 at 5:57 pmtomflocco.com a must read!
Think it's time for all Supreme Court nominees to be approved by the people. President can nominate; Senate can weigh in: but the peoplle should have a referendum option.
October 23rd, 2005 at 7:36 pmFat fingers. Should read "people".
October 23rd, 2005 at 7:50 pm