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I agree, that’s why I remind these hypocrits of it all the time. It’s so funny for instance that MrWrong is so homophobic, yet expresses undying love for the GOP – a party RUN by a gay man! How ironic is that piece of pyschosis! That level of cognitive dissonance is definitely the sign of a schizophrenic break. But then again most of the followers of assrocket exhibit those delusions.

No we can’t Tigrusmus says it best!

“The problem for them is that Fineman didn’t specify leaders, Hinderaker did, and thereby both moved the goalposts and laid a beating on a sadsack strawman of his own making.
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And the difference is that the crackpots on the left have NO VOICE in america, whereas the crackpots on the right run the 3 branches of the government! The crackpots on the left are the american communist party, and there are more people who went to the reichwing war protest that actually belong to that group!

The issue is that reichwingers talk about moderate progressives like they’re crackpots, when in fact modern day ‘liberals’ are to the right of Eisenhower! You guys have drunk the koolaid so much you can no longer see reality!

I agree, everyone should read it to get a clear understanding of what crackpots live on the far left, a long distance politically separated from the crackpots on the far right, but crackpots nonetheless.

Please check out the CWA’s website and its most recent statement on the Miers nomination (Oct. 10). You will find that they have not “objected” to the nomination. Based on what they know right now, they are withholding an endorsement but are “open to persuasion.”

Can we be done with this now?

I did not write ‘feel,’ you did. And yes, it is my opinion, no sh*t. Isn’t that what the comment section is for?

And, talk about parsing…. CWA is not a religious leader! It’s an advocacy group of people with a common religious opinion. Can you not see the difference??

Mr. Hindraker himself provides his phone number on his profile page linked from the home page. Darth Filibustrous obviously copied and pasted it; easy to tell by the same formatting error (missing space).

In addition, it is not “parsing words” to point out that Mr. Hinderaker clearly wrote: “…religious leader” but you gave examples of “organizations,” not persons, and certainly not even ones most people would identify with religious leadership in the way Mr. Hinderaker obviously meant.

Perhaps folks on the left consider advocacy groups and lobbyists to be on par with leaders? Not so on the right. I’ve read both sides here, and I have to say Hinderaker prevails, at least on this issue.

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“One who believes in the existence of a God or supreme being but denies revealed religion, basing his belief on the light of nature and reason.”

The ‘bible’ is clearly a ‘christian’ and therefore ‘revealed’ religion. Anyone who’s promoting it’s values are in fact ‘religious’ and not ‘deist’.

And I forgot to respond on the KKK Kalifornia birch society. You want me to move on, but these idiots haven’t. They’ve repackaged their white supremacist and fascist doctrine for a new generation, but it’s the same old hooded and bigoted ignorant asses. You’re either with’em or again’em – which are you?

Actually ‘deism’ doesn’t believe in ” protect and promote Biblical values among all citizens”, your understanding of what deism is, is frankly nonsense.

“Within that organization I think there are many specific Christians, but my reading of their website suggests a stronger cultural than doctrinal tie with Christianity.”

Bullshit, ‘promoting the bible’, is not a deist or secular act – it’s clearly a christian religious organization. Your claim is entirely bogus and irrational based on their own words that I posted.

“would certainly grant that they are not a secular organization. That does not make them a powerhouse of influence on the Religious Right by default, or even a very clearly religious one at all.”

Did you even read the profile on them? They’re a MEMBER OF THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT COALITION. Or didn’t you know that.

From the profile of the group…
“CWA is a member of a Christian Right coalition—including American Values, American Family Association, Focus on the Family, and Southern Baptist Convention”

Clearly you either don’t know what a ‘religious’ organization is, or you’re a deceptive apologist. Either way, you’re WAY wrong across the board.

I have little objection to swearing, but are the blog supporters here capable of something in addition to that? On other topics does this group get above the level of Har! Har! They’re Stoopid? Several “trolls” have calmly made the point that the organizations mentioned are not what Amanda claimed them to be. The inclusion of Liberty Council and Operation Rescue has been dealt with so easily above that I’ll not even bother to repeat.

Ryan does make a fair point — or at least the beginning of one — about CWA. Were it in a list of clearer qualifiers, I might give its inclusion a pass. But as the pillar of the claim, it is lacking. The premise that mentioning prayer disqualifies an organization from being more secular than religious would have to then accept that scouting organizations, the US Congress, service organizations, the UN, and Live 8 are more religious than secular. I’m not sure you’d like to tie yourself to that reasoning.

CWA falls squarely into the category of American civil religion that applied to nearly everyone around 1958 — a rather vague deism. Within that organization I think there are many specific Christians, but my reading of their website suggests a stronger cultural than doctrinal tie with Christianity. I would certainly grant that they are not a secular organization. That does not make them a powerhouse of influence on the Religious Right by default, or even a very clearly religious one at all.

The other crap about the John Birch Society and spelling things with K’s — it’s not 1970 anymore. Have a new thought once in awhile.

Concerned Women for America (CWA) was founded in San Diego in 1979 by Christian Right social conservative Beverly LaHaye. Well connected to the Christian Right network, Beverly LaHaye is married to Tim LaHaye, cofounder of the Moral Majority. According to LaHaye, who continues to serve as CWA’s “chairman,” she founded the antifeminist organization after hearing Betty Friedan, founder of the National Organization for Women, claim that she was speaking for all American women in her criticism of patriarchy and male chauvinism. LaHaye viewed Friedan’s feminist stance as anti-God and anti-family.

CWA’s mission is “to protect and promote Biblical values among all citizens—first through prayer, then education, and finally by influencing our society—thereby reversing the decline in moral values in our nation.” According to its vision statement, CWA aims “for women and like-minded men, from all walks of life, to come together and restore the family to its traditional purpose and thereby allow each member of the family to realize their God-given potential and be more responsible citizens.

CWA opposes gay rights, sex education, drug and alcohol education, and feminism, while advocating what it calls “pro-life” and “pro-family” values. It advocates a return to traditional family structures and regards homosexuality as a sinful condition that can be overcome by believing in Jesus Christ.

CWA is a member of a Christian Right coalition—including American Values, American Family Association, Focus on the Family, and Southern Baptist Convention, formed in 2004 to support a constitutional amendment banning gay marriages.

In a 1987 interview with Ms magazine, LaHaye stated: “Yes, religion and politics do mix. America is a nation based on biblical principles. Christian values dominate our government. The test of those values is the Bible. Politicians who do not use the bible to guide their public and private lives do not belong in office.

Bahaha, bullshit! They are NOTHING alike! CWA describes itself as ‘built on prayer’. That is not only NOT SECULAR, but clearly and blantantly anti-abortion and we BOTH know it. You’re such a lying sack of deceptive shit BSR. But then again you post crap from a ’satire’ website like it’s real news – so clearly your ability to distinguish reality is compromised!

“CWA is built on prayer and action.
We are the nation’s largest public policy women’s organization with a rich 25-year history of helping our members across the country bring Biblical principles into all levels of public policy.”

This is from the CWA website in the ABOUT US section. How is this NOT a religious orgainization again? You’re an idiot!