Kristol: Rove and Libby Will Be Indicted
Kristol: Rove and Libby Will Be Indicted
Bill Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard, commenting on Fox News Sunday about the leak scandal:
KRISTOL: But talking to people pretty close to both Libby and Rove outside of government, who therefore can talk about it, I think they expect the worse now. I think they –
WALLACE: That both Libby and Rove will be indicted.
KRISTOL: I believe, if I had to predict – and I don’t know more this than anybody else reading the papers – that both Libby and Rove will be indicted, not for what the original referral was about but for some combination of disclosing classified information or perhaps failing to be fully candid with federal investigators or with the grand jury.
To review: Kristol talks to people close to Libby and Rove, then claims he knows nothing more than anybody else. He goes on to predict the two of them will be indicted “not for what the original referral was.†But Kristol then says Rove and Libby will be indicted for, among other crimes, “disclosing classified information†– which is exactly what the CIA referral was about.
The right-wing is already spinning themselves into knots as they struggle to defend the conduct of the White House.
UPDATE: Video on Crooks and Liars.
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Kristol is so full of it. Where was he in the 90s complaining about this stuff?!? Yeah, right.
October 16th, 2005 at 1:35 pmSo those criminals who have contaminated our politics will be indicted? About time. Shades of Iran-Contra…this time, we need excise the cancer completely.
October 16th, 2005 at 1:37 pmRove and Libby is not satisfactory. Yes, they will be indicted but WE THE PEOPLE want each and every criminal in the White House to be indicted.
Its a start but not enough.
October 16th, 2005 at 1:44 pmAnyone,
October 16th, 2005 at 1:46 pmIs Rove and Libby knowing secret CIA info a crime?
#4-Brian,
I’m sure they both have status to read top-secret, classified documents. Thus the knowledge in of itself is not a crime, it’s their alleged disclosure of this information that becomes the crime.
October 16th, 2005 at 1:56 pmToo bad this all couldn’t have been done 12 months ago.
October 16th, 2005 at 2:09 pmBoth Rove and Libby signed a SF-312 which means they both had security clearance. They broke the SF-312 agreement and should be charged for that. At the very least they will lose their security clearance.
October 16th, 2005 at 2:11 pmSusan - #3 - absolutely! This can’t be swept under the rug or “left for future historians to dissect”. It needs to be dealt with NOW. And those who violated the law need to be held accountable. Period. It doesn’t matter how high up this goes. More and more of the public is getting the idea of how high this is going - now we need to push for total disclosure.
October 16th, 2005 at 2:21 pmGeorge Steph was also interesting today.
He got a little fiesty on the topic - but made us sick with one of the inside the beltway views of what the charges will be.
He said ‘everybody agrees’ - meaning the pundits and media elite - that there was no crime about revealing a covert agent.
This is a good spin because it puts public pressure on in the event that the prosecutor DOES think that a crime was committed.
Just as a side, we have learned since Steph got on TV why Clinton thought he was kind of a know-it-all dweb.
October 16th, 2005 at 2:43 pm#9, right on. Why has the speculation now conceded that there was no breach of the Identity Disclosures Act? Seems ridiculous to me that people are asserting that without knowledge. Let’s see what Fitzgerald’s got. Doesn’t seem to me to be out of question that he could establish the intent and knowledge requirements.
October 16th, 2005 at 3:01 pmThe President’s Chief of Staff, the Vice President’s Chief of Staff, the House Majority Leader, The Senate Majority Leader and others (all Republicans) are all probably being indicted. Is there any way Bush and Cheney will not be impeached after the Democrats take
October 16th, 2005 at 3:11 pmcontrol of Congress in 2006.
They are done. This is the tip of the iceburg if accountability is the new mantra. With the executive and legislative branches of government batting for the same team there is alot of things that do not get investigated due to the good ol’ boys club covering each others plays. Good ridance the neocon agenda is a failed experiment. Too bad we were the rats…
October 16th, 2005 at 3:26 pmAren’t they so glad that go W back for a
second term? Would any of this be happening
if we were not in W’s second term?
Don’t you feel badly for these scoundrels?
October 16th, 2005 at 3:35 pmGitmo would be too nice a prison for these aholes. Maybe we could render them to Pakistan or Egypt for the hell of it……
October 16th, 2005 at 3:50 pmSerious + Fun
1. Serious note. Not just about Miller/Libby, but Bush, Card, and the whole criminal enterprise
The White House Iraq Group, or WHIG.
“Its inception in August 2002, seven months before the invasion of Iraq, was never announced. Only much later would a newspaper article or two mention it in passing, reporting that it had been set up by Andrew Card, the White House chief of staff. Its eight members included Mr. Rove, Mr. Libby, Condoleezza Rice and the spinmeisters Karen Hughes and Mary Matalin. Its mission: to market a war in Iraq.”:
2. Just for fun.
The corrupt NY Times tried to their war-monger back into office by famously calling Kerry a ‘caged hamster’. Now the curtain pulls back and we find exactly which candidate is the hyper rodent.
“The president was a blur of blinks, taps, jiggles, pivots and shifts,” Dana Milbank wrote in The Washington Post. Asked repeatedly about Mr. Rove’s serial appearances before a Washington grand jury, the jittery Mr. Bush, for once bereft of a script, improvised a passable impersonation of Norman Bates being quizzed by the detective in “Psycho.” Like Norman and Ms. Stewart, he stonewalled.
Both quotes from here….
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/101605Z.shtml
October 16th, 2005 at 3:52 pmCOUNT ONE: THE COMMON PLAN OR CONSPIRACY
All the defendants, with divers other persons participated as leaders, organizers, instigators, or accomplices in the formulation or execution of a common plan or conspiracy to commit, or which involved the commission of, Crimes against Peace, War Crimes, and Crimes against Humanity, as defined in the Charter of this Tribunal, and, in accordance with the provisions of the Charter, are individually responsible for their own acts and for all acts committed by any persons in the execution of such plan or conspiracy. The common plan or conspiracy embraced the commission of Crimes against Peace, in that the defendants planned, prepared, initiated, and waged wars of aggression, which were also wars in violation of international treaties, agreements, or assurances.
http://www.yale.edu/ lawweb/ avalon/ imt/ proc/ count1.htm
October 16th, 2005 at 4:06 pmKristol is a smart insider, one of the original neocons with a working brain, but he is a despicable person, as we have seen him all over the place with opinoins flip-flopping every other week. However, I am more inclined to take his opinion than that of many others near the White House. We will all know soon.
October 16th, 2005 at 4:17 pmWait. That doesn’t sound right — he flip-flops in his opinions, but I tend to believe him.
October 16th, 2005 at 4:19 pmWhat I mean is his comments are showing definite signs of fear, and acceptance for what is likely to come down and I think that comes from his close association with the White House and his inside information.
George Steph was also interesting today.
He got a little fiesty on the topic - but made us sick with one of the inside the beltway views of what the charges will be.
He said ‘everybody agrees’ - meaning the pundits and media elite - that there was no crime about revealing a covert agent.
This is a good spin because it puts public pressure on in the event that the prosecutor DOES think that a crime was committed.
Just as a side, we have learned since Steph got on TV why Clinton thought he was kind of a know-it-all dweb.
Tv-watch.
LOL
I think the media elite and the inside the beltway crowd have spun themselfs right into lunacy.
It is not their job to do the SP work for him.Fitz is more then able understand the law and apply it.
DOG! these hacks are maddening.
October 16th, 2005 at 4:36 pmI wonder if Novak is going to be handed up an indictment. Afterall he is the one that wrote about Plame,Which makes him part of the conspircy.
About Billy showing fear? absoultley! They all look fearful.
Mwahahahahahaha !
pass the popcorn!
October 16th, 2005 at 4:41 pmall I can say is”it couldn’t have happened to a better bunch of people”
October 16th, 2005 at 4:47 pm“not for what the original referral was”
Well, he’s just 100% republican talking point. You see the “original referral” was just see who outed the CIA agent and anything beyond that is apparently an injustice of the highest order.
Of course, the “original referral” for Kenneth Starr was just to look into Whitewater and we know how far he ran with that.
October 16th, 2005 at 4:52 pmWait, I hasn’t happened yet. But it will
then we rejoice with the rest of the world.
time in the crowbar hotel is fitting and just
may we never see the likes of this crew ever again
October 16th, 2005 at 4:56 pmKristol is so full of it. Where was he in the 90s complaining about this stuff?!?
he was actually founding PNAC, and is currently their chairman
October 16th, 2005 at 5:23 pmSukabi,
That’s true, Kristol is part the Fascist NeoCon core. That’s why it’s always pathetic when Kristol pretends to be a journalist. That would be like Goebbels pretending to be a journalist - it’s just a propaganda lie!
October 16th, 2005 at 5:30 pmThanks for watching Faux News so we don’t have to. Over at Angrybear, we also link to a Kristol Weekly Standard rant about criminalization of GOP leaders. No Bill, these leaders ARE criminals.
October 16th, 2005 at 7:16 pmAmazing how the mainstream media is getting Louis Freeh out front this past week to give the “It’s all Clinton’s fault” crowd some new fodder to distract from the disaster that is the GOP and the Bush admin.
I hold my breath anticipating a major disaster this week or next. Stay off the subway, stay away from tall buildings. Sorry to be so dark and cynical….but it’s perfectly warranted in light of recent history.
Let’s hope we all witstand this cancer on American history and within a year or two we can look back and be thankful that we averted the end of the world as we know it.
October 16th, 2005 at 8:11 pmThey tried yesterday but foutunately that “suspicious paarcel” on the street corner in Norwalk, CA, was just my Brother-in law’s lunch box. The most dangerous thing inside was a home-made salami sandwich with a half-pound of garlic. Come to think of it his salami is lethal.
October 16th, 2005 at 8:38 pmJay, I watched Freeh this a.m. What a pathetic loser. Notice how he claims to know everything but he never attended any of the meetings in question? Notice how he would not reveal his sources?
The guy is bringing up Iran to try and piss us off into believing that we NEED to attack Iran.
He must be a complete moron if he believes that anyone on the planet is going to support another illegal war.
October 16th, 2005 at 8:53 pmSusan,
I’m with you regarding Freeh. A little bit too convenient that he’s bashing Clinton’s response to Khobar Towers, questioning Clinton’s motives in asking the Saudi’s for assistance after that bombing (by alleging that his “sources” say Clinton was more interested in a large donation to his library than justice or retribution on Khobar) and praising poppy Bush for the immediate results he got after getting involved. All a very convenient distraction from the GOP and Busco’s indictment a week. Throwing more fuel on the Iran fire is icing on the cake.
Of course, if I wanted something from the Saudi’s asap, I’d call the George H. W. Bush too. I’m positive that all we’ll hear from the rightwing propanda stooges this week will be about Freeh, Clinton and how it’s all Slick Willy’s fault. They are so f^*&% predictable, and Tim Russert once again sets up the play. Russert is right up there with Judy Miller in the hack club…no question.
October 16th, 2005 at 9:49 pmJay, it’s no secret that the Bushies have more influence with the Sauds than Clinton. The Sauds have oil and hijackers the very things that motivate the Bushies.
Russert is a closet gay. I’d respect him if he would just come out.
October 16th, 2005 at 9:54 pmAs for Kristol and the likes?
October 16th, 2005 at 10:10 pmWhat a shity job. Sucking up to people to put food on the table. It’s really just a step below jantor. One step above whore. These f*cks should be grocery store greeters.
This is for the trolls who claim the vote on the constitution referendum went fairly well.
For those who think 6 dead American soldiers is “fairly well” you’ll enjoy this….
http://news.yahoo.com/ s/ ap/ 20051017/ ap_on_re_mi_ea/ iraq
October 16th, 2005 at 10:38 pmFor those that haven’t read this yet, Podesta smacked Freeh out of the park for his lies and propaganda! It’s embarrassing for the former head of the FBI (the organization that’s supposed to represent the law), to spread lies and misinformation! Clearly he was too immoral to have ever served in that job!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2005/ 10/ 14/ AR2005101401784.html
October 16th, 2005 at 10:54 pm“Rove Goes Down In Plames”
October 16th, 2005 at 11:46 pmWhen is the press (and American public) going to start asking direct questions to President Bush and VP Cheney concerning their conversations (and any possible involvement) with Libby and Rove concerning this matter?
October 17th, 2005 at 12:10 amThis despicable administration and all its apologists can go take a long hike. Bush and cronies represent the most corrupt administration since Nixon. Iraq, Plamegate, Katrina, spending like drunken bandits, though no worse than the Dems who also have their hand in the till, Delay, Frist, Miers, the list is too long. We need a WHOLE new government of and by the people since we have no voice nor vote anywhere. When will the sheeple wake up?
October 17th, 2005 at 12:19 amI can accept that Bush was too clueless to know what Rove was up to. I will never accept that Cheney was not intimately aware of what Libby was up to.
how high can this go???? !!!! :)
October 17th, 2005 at 12:20 amApparently, Rove and Libby already appear on “America’s Most Wanted.”
October 17th, 2005 at 12:51 amWhat’s another descriptive phrase for “failing to be fully candid with the federal investigators and with the grand jury”? Oh wait, I know, how about lying and treason.
October 17th, 2005 at 12:57 am#15 - Most folks are saying Libby/Rove. My gut says all those who spoke before the grand jury will have indictments… besides Miller and Cooper that is.
October 17th, 2005 at 1:07 amA the the very least these folks deserve a very special section in Hell.
‘History belongs to the victor’ relates the importance of winning to the rightwingers. If they lose, not only will they be deposed from their hard-won position, but they will suffer that their anti-democratic actions were acceptable to a large majority of Republicans, especially those in the House and Senate.
If we are very lucky Pat Fitzgerald will have recognized the dangers, over and above his obligation to his office, and is working to save this nation. Else we may become the “late great America” to the rest of the world.
October 17th, 2005 at 1:42 amEven if they are indicted, Bush will pardon them well before there is any trial - just as his father did with Caspar Weinberger. If Weinberger had gone to trial, old man Bush’s involvement in Iran-Contra would have been exposed just as W’s and Cheney’s would be here. I imagine he will cite some sort of “National Security” issue which will give him an excuse to not explain.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:21 amHow did WHIG quickly discover that Joe Wilson was the NYT’s source (before he went public)?
Judy was WHIG’s spy inside the NYT!!!
When did she learn Joe Wilson’s identity? When did Rove, Libby, et al learn?
This hypothesis makes her otherwise very strange behavior understandable.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:59 amFrom Kristol’s lips to God’s ear. And I hope Miller’s miserable behavior is brought more into the light for the health of the nation and of journalism.
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Here’s a question: who gives a shit?
October 17th, 2005 at 5:57 amKarl spills ALL - what I have learned from MY inside the Beltway sources! http://catciao.blogspot.com
October 17th, 2005 at 6:50 amyup #47,
I do.
October 17th, 2005 at 8:48 amby giving up rove/libby - bush tries to save his own sorry ass - as well as dicks
October 17th, 2005 at 8:54 amHa!!!!
October 17th, 2005 at 9:59 amIndicting Smithers hardly makes sense… clearly it was Mr. Burns who tried to block out the Sun.
I blame Bill Clinton for all of this hoop-dee-doo. If we’d have elected Bush Sr. again like we were supposed to then none of these shenanigans would have happened. Besides, what’s all of this about any hoo? Outing a CIA operative, big deal! You want a real crime, look back at Whitewater. Yeah, there’s some meat still clinging to the ribs of that carcass.
That’s all I have to say on this subject. I now have to get back to my six pack of vaseline, spatula, and copy of Peggy Noonan monthly where they have a centerfold of Judge Priscilla Owens
October 17th, 2005 at 10:15 amAnybody—Obviously the Pres can be impeached, but he must be out of office prior to an indictment, right? Same for VP? Anybody think Monkey Boy will resign? I just have a real deathless desire to see them in Big House, ya know.
October 17th, 2005 at 10:55 amIf indicted, will they try to smear the bearer of bad news as fervently they have in the Delay case?
October 17th, 2005 at 12:15 pmWow,
Seriously, you people are nut cups. Honestly, if you spent have the time listening to reality that you do listening to each other, you might get somewhere. Look, of course you hate Karl Rove, he is smarter than you. He and Bush have beaten you at every turn. Everytime you call Bush stupid and a fool, he turns around and makes a fool out of you. He’s beaten you in two pres. elections, they took control of the house and the senate. C’mon get it together. Your so sure your right. And your right because your smarter. But you are losing, stop bitching about things and get something done.
Oh and real quick, it is illegal to out an undercover operative. To be undercover you first have to have a cover. If you work at Langley, like Plame did, you don’t have a cover! If you work out of the CIA headquarters, let’s all take one guess what you do for a living? Think for once, for yourself……..stop bitching, stop being a victim, stand up and say something.
Damn.
October 17th, 2005 at 1:21 pmI think what Kristol means, based on media reports, is that Fitzgerald doesn’t think he can pin Libby in violation of the Identity Disclosures Act, with utmost certainty. The next best thing is to pin Libby on unauthorized disclosure of classified information, which is easier to prove.
October 17th, 2005 at 1:58 pm“Look, of course you hate Karl Rove, he is smarter than you.”
Manipulation isn’t intelligence, it’s psychosis. The fact that you can’t tell the difference between the two should (but probably won’t) tell you something. And I don’t personally hate rove, I pity him. I pity the fact that he and the entire PNAC would be so desperate and fearful that they’d jeapordize our democracy for their own petty ends. But then again, that’s what a psychosis causes!
“elections, they took control of the house and the senate. C’mon get it together. Your so sure your right. And your right because your smarter. But you are losing, stop bitching about things and get something done.”
Actually we’re sure because the 2004 exit polls tell us that we are. And so do the current polls - which obviously you haven’t read. At this juncture only 20 some percent of americans agree with you, and over 65% STRONGLY DISAGREE with you. I don’t think it’s an issue of the ‘election’ or even ’support’ that faces america, it’s the coup d’etat of the dictatorship of the PNAC/NeoCon/NeoNazis that’s currently in charge.
And as for the being smarter part - you’re right, we are smarter. But then again, greedy, violent and hate filled bullies will often win the day - it doesn’t make them smarter (just like it didn’t make hitler smarter), it just makes them more desperate. Read some history sometime, you’re overly simplistic and nonsensical view of the world clearly demostrates your lack of understanding of even the most basic of human conditions.
“If you work at Langley, like Plame did, you don’t have a cover! If you work out of the CIA headquarters, let’s all take one guess what you do for a living?”
That’s bullshit. This line of Free Republican nonsense was long ago debunked by both the CIA, former CIA agents and many press people. Most people didn’t know she worked at the CIA you stupid nitwit! Not only are you a lying propagandist, you’re an IDIOT propagandist!
October 17th, 2005 at 4:49 pm“stop bitching, stop being a victim, stand up and say something.
Damn.
Comment by fashizl”
Ok, you’re a stupid retard, america hates you and your party, and YOU’RE GOING DOWN ASSHOLE!
October 17th, 2005 at 4:50 pmSo the fascist posting # 56 thinks the outing of Valerie Plame was no big deal? Think about this: She headed the CIA’s very effective, very secret world WMD monitoring program. She ran the program by which we know (or knew) what was really going on in the world in terms of WMD development. Outing her and the operation has destroyed it! Now we have no way to know who’s doing what with WMD. This puts us years behind where we were.
I don’t know what you call that, but I call it treason.
October 17th, 2005 at 6:08 pmRalph @ 6:08
Absolutely treason. And Faschi is just another Syndicate apologist. I’ll bet he was all over BC for that BJ, though. But, like everything else, these people put Party before Country. IOKIYAR
October 17th, 2005 at 7:04 pm“I can accept that Bush was too clueless to know what Rove was up to.”
You know once-upon-a-time I might have agreed with that. But now I just think this “dumb-as-a-stump” schtick is a cover like “poor” Reagan “not recalling” any info about Iran-Contra. Wonder who will play Ollie and fall on their sword for this CIC.
Goes to show you, be careful what you fake….karma might slap it on you later!
October 17th, 2005 at 7:43 pmRove indictment coming? Keep the champagne chilled
According to Bill Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard and one of America’s most influential conservatives, Karl Rove is likely to be indicted for “some combination of disclosing classified information or perhaps failing to be fully candid with fed…
October 17th, 2005 at 10:36 pmPlease note the difference between your (as in possession) and you’re (as in you are). Not only are you blind about Rove and the rest of the administration cronies, you can’t even imagine what positive results will arise out of dumping these criminals. By the way, there are lots of smart criminals in jail.
October 17th, 2005 at 11:15 pmtoo much unknown, what ever Novak had to say is still unkonwn, I still think a third party other then Rove and Libby is involved and might be turning evidence over to Fitzgerald or the opposite Rove and other WH cronies are turning on him or her.
October 18th, 2005 at 6:38 amYou have proved my point. Not only do you only attribute Rove’s success to lunacy, and hate filled motives, but you can’t understand why everyone DOES NOT agree with you, (it must be a conspiracy). The only reason Rove does anything and is able to get away with it, is not because people might agree with him, and NOT YOU, it is because he is evil and bad, and smart, but not intelligent, just Hitler bad evil smart,…….. good one. Oh yea, grow up.
“We’re right, but we’re not mean, we’re the victim, and because America has to agree with us and not you, America is the victim.”
TODAY, PRESIDENTIAL POLLS TODAY, have Bush at 43 Approve, 41 Strongly Disapprove (somewhat different from 20 and 65). That being said, we could nitpik polls and statistics all day, will never get anywhere, because they are ALL doctored on both sides. Point being, you are discounting the Elections because they didn’t turn out the way you wanted them to and the way exit polls forecasted, and you think I’m the talking head. (voter intimidation?)Amazing. Look, before you bust a nut over this, http://www.bakerlaw.com/ files/ tbl_s10News/ FileUpload44/ 10159/ Amici%20Brief%20032305%20(Final).PDF
In summarry it is the court case in detail, what everyone is saying and so on and so forth. Is it a crime to disclose a covert agent, yes. Did that happen here, no. Now you can say it is because I don’t care about endagering Plame, which never happened, and that I am a puppet of the admin., which I am not.
But there was no illegal disclosure, stop reading partisan blogs for your facts and look at what is actually in front of the court. How has this been explained away, “by media types and newsmen”, if it is the intelligence communities description on what must occur for their to be a crime? So before you are so quick to call me an idiot for disagreeing with you, maybe you should look at why. Wait, I forgot, I’m wrong about everything, that’s right, and I should believe you just cause you say it. But I guess if your smarter than I am,…..? DUMBASS.
October 19th, 2005 at 11:24 amOh, and it is great to be called a fascist because I don’t think the way you do. Wait……..who’s the fascist?
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