Rice: After 9-11 “We Could Decide the Proximate Cause Was Al Qaedaâ€
Rice: After 9-11 “We Could Decide the Proximate Cause Was Al Qaedaâ€
This morning on NBC’s Meet the Press, Condoleezza Rice explains why we invaded Iraq:
The fact of the matter is that when we were attacked on September 11, we had a choice to make. We could decide that the proximate cause was al Qaeda and the people who flew those planes into buildings and, therefore, we would go after al Qaeda…or we could take a bolder approach.
This may be news to the Secretary of State but the proximate cause of 9-11 was al-Qaeda. Nevertheless, the administration decided to invade Iraq instead of focusing our efforts on destroying al-Qaeda and capturing Bin Laden.
Today, bin Laden remains at large, international terrorism is on the rise and the invasion has become “a potent recruiting tool for al Qaeda and other terrorist groups.â€
UPDATE: Crooks and Liars has the video.
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As long as the Bushie administration continues to make excuses for invading Iraq, I will continue to believe that they are admitting that they went to war illegally.
How about the former FBI director under Clinton who was on Meet the Press this a.m. He’s spewing lies about Clinton yet refuses to reveal his sources. The bottom line is he’s trying to drum up support to attack Iran.
Give it up neocon, nobody on this planet will support another illegal war.
October 16th, 2005 at 11:25 amEverytime Le Rice opens her mouth she manages to make a total fool of herself. What an embarrassment.
October 16th, 2005 at 11:30 amThe Hague! The Hague!
Send them all to The Hague!
Criminals, every one!
October 16th, 2005 at 11:32 amWe could also have decided that it was Jason who attacked us and gone after a fictional horror movie figure. That would have been really “bold.”
October 16th, 2005 at 11:34 amShe is misusing the idea of proximate cause, but what I think she is saying is real root cause or motivating cause. Their bolder approach was apparently to destroy the status quo in the arab and muslim world, and hope that something better would result, something better that wouldn’t be a cauldron for terrorism against us. It was a bad idea then, which is why they had to lie about it, and it turned out to bad execution of a bad idea. I think there was an idea there though, that some of them believed.
October 16th, 2005 at 11:35 amWhy didn’t they just go all the way and nuke China? Isn’t China the biggest threat in a “boulder” sense? I seem to remember them holding our people and a plane hostage for a few days. Wussies.
October 16th, 2005 at 11:38 am“We could decide…”
That means that they know who the real perps are.
It also is a tacit admission that it was impossible for a 6ft5 Arab with a beard and turban, operating from inside some cave in a country stuck in the 10th Century to make the 113th Air National Guard, and those at the Headquarters of the world’s most powerful military to stand down on 9-11 without some inside help at the Pentagon.
“Operation Northwoods,” anyone?
“Rebuilding America’s Defenses,” PNAC ? “New Pearl Harbor”?
“The Grand Chessboard”
They have written about it all.
And now Condi all but admits it.
Are you listening, America?
October 16th, 2005 at 11:41 amAnd don’t forget that Bin Laden requires dyalisis. How many caves are equipped for that?
October 16th, 2005 at 11:48 am“…Today, bin Laden remains at large, international terrorism is on the rise and the invasion has become “a potent recruiting tool for al Qaeda and other terrorist groups…â€
Ahhh, forgot the kicker didn’t ya,,,
and the feckless endeavor is sucking the life blood out of the US Armed Forces, and the only consolation might be the downfall of God’s Own Party- [GOPUSA]
October 16th, 2005 at 11:53 amAint she the one who wuz byin’ shoes and all? Them shoes so ’spensiff youkud by a car and stuff?
October 16th, 2005 at 11:53 amGoing beyond “proximate cause” as they did, I would think it only fair to dub the Bush administration’s invasion of Iraq as the “deep pockets” approach to foreign policy.
October 16th, 2005 at 11:54 amThey just never thought they would be held in account for the Iraq war, that’s all.
October 16th, 2005 at 11:56 amFrom reports by Le Figaro,and LeMonde, Bin Laden met with Larry Mitchell [CIA Agent and bigmouth in UAE] during the week of July 4th 2001 at the American Hospital in Dubai.
He reportedly also got a new and improved portable dialysis machine to take with him at that same time.
I suspect Bin Laden was informed that he might have to go deep undercover for awhile, and so was getting prepared.
Thanks Larry.
October 16th, 2005 at 11:57 amIs she saying that al Qaeda was not directly involved in the attacks on the WTC? Or is she just trying to argue that since al Qaeda is an Arab organization, all Arabs are proximate cause?
October 16th, 2005 at 12:00 pmCondi failed to get Russia’s approval to sanction Iran. Good to know that Russia knows a HO when they see one.
October 16th, 2005 at 12:05 pmWith the new book out by Dick Morris, claiming that Condi could beat Hillary in 08, I am hoping that everyone, every place, continue to point out what an absolutely, unqualified, incompetent, criminal contributor to nearly 2000 American deaths in Iraq, Condi Rice continues to be.
October 16th, 2005 at 12:10 pmriceroni, bushiecrony, that sans morals treat
October 16th, 2005 at 12:10 pmBy the standard of “proximate cause” shouldn’t we have invaded Saudi Arabia instead?
October 16th, 2005 at 12:16 pmLove your friends and children. Learn to grow vegetables. Pray to the sun every morning. Never read any news articles again.
That giant sucking sound you hear is the legacy of us two-leggeds slipping into the maw of geological time. There may be a burp thereafter, but that is all. We never did evolve enough to pull it off.
What’s next? :-)
October 16th, 2005 at 12:17 pmi’m so glad her russian expertise (that qualified her above and beyond her stellar performance as national security advisor) is really paying off. i bet she was the best woman for the job, too.
October 16th, 2005 at 12:21 pmIt makes you wonder:
Suppose the sheriff is after a mass murderer in your community, and he knows the guilty party is hanging out in the hills just outside of town.
Would it make any sense to search for him in another state?
I don’t think the sheriff would last too long.
October 16th, 2005 at 12:25 pmWith the new book out by Dick Morris, claiming that Condi could beat Hillary in 08
Bwahahhhhhhaaahhhhh!!!!!!
I wonder what Phil Gramm (whose Korean wife cost him the GOP nomination in 96) thinks of that?
Morris has got it wrong so many times, he can only make a living shilling for Scaife and such. It helps when his talking points tell him to knock Hillary….
October 16th, 2005 at 12:28 pmOh, I remember how Republicans gushed, “Secretary Rice is BRILLIANT!” after she was confirmed. Now? NOT SO MUCH.
October 16th, 2005 at 12:28 pmBrilliantly black, for sure.
October 16th, 2005 at 12:31 pmSo, did Timmeh let her get away with this BS.
October 16th, 2005 at 12:35 pm“With the new book out by Dick Morris, claiming that Condi could beat Hillary in 08…”
As racist as this country is, and as racist as the Bush base is, I find it hard to believe that any of those people would vote for a black woman to be president of the U.S. Ain’t gonna happen.
October 16th, 2005 at 12:39 pmPoor judgement! Condi and Harriet hitched their wagons to the wrong star. Wonder if they secretly regret it? Shame on these sycophantic women!!
October 16th, 2005 at 12:40 pmI don’t know, I can’t stomach her first thing Sunday morning. It’s my one day off, I’m not going to start it listening to ‘bold’ administration bullshit. My first 2 thoughts as I surfed by her: “Bin Laden determined to strike US” and “historical document’.
October 16th, 2005 at 12:42 pmGoogle “ISI” and “9/11″, and it becomes obvious that our good freinds in Pakistan were more involved in the WTC attacks than Iraq.
But then again, that whole reality thingy does have much value in a BushCo bolder approach.
October 16th, 2005 at 12:45 pmI know! We invaded to get control of their sand for our disappearing wetlands and beaches!
October 16th, 2005 at 12:55 pmI, too, decided that it was too early in the morning for Rice. That said, it is little wonder that much of the American public is increasing angry about the war. Everytime we open the newspaper, we are given another justification for the war. It is remarkably disingenious and an insult to the integrity of each and every citizen. I can’t believe that Rice added another to the pile.
In Bob Woodward’s book, ‘Bush at War,’ he wrote that Bush felt confident that the American public would support his decision to wage war like ’slipstream’. In a book chockablock with Bush’s arrogant musings, to me, this one comment was the most chilling and telling of his maniacal ego. Also his most deadly.
October 16th, 2005 at 1:00 pm“Bolder.” Ah yes. Their favorite adjective, spread wide in song and story by the media for every lunatic move these nutcases take, domestic and foreign.
Note to media: here is a list of more accurate adjectives you can use to describe what the administration is doing whenever they characterize their actions as “bold”
“Hazardous.” “Radical.” “Extremist.” “Rash.” “Hasty.” “Unjustified.” “Opportunistic.” “Illogical.” “Obstinate.” “Just plain stupid.”
For more, consult your Thesaurus under “insane.”
October 16th, 2005 at 1:10 pmDefine “bold”
What’s Merriam-Webster say?
October 16th, 2005 at 1:10 pmMain Entry: bold
Pronunciation: ‘bOld
1 a : slow of mind b : given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner c : lacking intelligence or reason :
Good thing Condi Rice was not FDR’s Secretary State in 1941. She may have concluded that Japan was the proximate cause of the Pearl Harbor attack only to become bolder and choose to invade Bangladesh and Sri Lanka instead.
October 16th, 2005 at 1:11 pmWith the new book out by Dick Morris, claiming that Condi could beat Hillary in 08, I am hoping that everyone, every place, continue to point out what an absolutely, unqualified, incompetent, criminal contributor to nearly 2000 American deaths in Iraq, Condi Rice continues to be.
Why go to all that trouble. If Morris said that, Condie can pretty much hang up her guns right now. She’s doomed. Morris has never been right about anything. It’s like he’s the anti-Midas or something.
October 16th, 2005 at 1:15 pmI cannot believe that this is the best that Condaskeeza could do. What’s worse, is Russert doesn’t hold her to accountable. He could have easily laid into her and attacked all their ridiculous arguments such as “fighting them over there so we won’t have to do it here.” Um, ask 3000 dead people in NYC about having the fight brought here. Not to mention the ones that died in PA and @ the Pentagon. History will look back on all this and will wonder what the hell were the people of this country thinking? Or rather, that they were NOT thinking at all!
October 16th, 2005 at 1:22 pmWhen my tummy hurt, I had a choice to make. I could decide that the proximate cause was that I had eaten 47 Nuclear Hot Wings from Pluck-U Chicken, and, therefore, take some antacid. Or, I could take a bolder approach and cut my stomach out with a shovel.
October 16th, 2005 at 1:26 pmI find it very interesting that Ms. Rice, who has been behind the scenes for a long time, is now out in front with interviews and increased travels, etc. Hmmm, let’s see, the President approval rating with Afican Americans is below 2% and not likely to get better. Any connection with a visible Rice and poll numbers??? Nah, probably just a coincidence.
October 16th, 2005 at 1:29 pmFor all intents and purposes, the U.S. of A. has no Secreteary of State at present. Miss Mushroom Cloud is the Bush-designated impersonator.
October 16th, 2005 at 1:31 pmDoes Ms. Rice know something that we do not know about who attacked us on September 11?
October 16th, 2005 at 1:47 pmIllegal invasion of a country who did not attack us, destroying it, killing tens of thousands of the people, along with two thousand of our own, and thousands wounded for life, as well as the loss of credibility around the world is a “bolder approach”?
October 16th, 2005 at 1:49 pmThey have lost any semblance of reality.
Sorry big dave from queens but Rice-hooper couldn’t have invaded Bangladesh and Sri Lanka instead because they didn’t exist in 1941. Bangladesh was part of India and Sri Lanka (Ceylon) was controlled by India which was a part of the British Commonwealth with a British Minister (called a protectorate). That would be invading British colonies. If you want to know anything about old history, just Google Bush – he has answers to everything Alas but they are 911.
October 16th, 2005 at 1:49 pm#17 mediaoffline,
October 16th, 2005 at 1:51 pmI have a taste for Rice-a-Roni tonight.
Since 15/19 alledged hi-jackers were Saudi’s and none were Iraqi’s, did Tim ask Rice-a-Phoney why a better approximate choice wouldn’t have been Saudi Arabia? Gee, no. Why not? Maybe because they have a multi-trillion dollar stake in our country and they have us by the oily short hairs? I now Kingdom Holdings has strong positions in Media Corp (Fox News) and CNN…anyone know what their position is in GE?
So who do we thank for our dependency on ME Oil?….why, it’s the House of Bush! George HW Bush gave us “Morning in America”, Dimson is giving us “Evening in America”.
I wonder what South American country the Bush Family compound will be esttablished in?
October 16th, 2005 at 1:56 pmCondoleeza’s quote is a perfect example of making the comments fit the errant policies(or lack thereof)instead of dealing with reality. A psychologist would call it rationalization; but, as we all know, it’s really just more neocon spin.
October 16th, 2005 at 2:06 pmI do think Miss Condi is losing her mind! And as for DICK Morris thinking Condi could beat Hillary for president: he must have been sucking on too many toes lately! First off, white Repugs would never vote for her and neither will Blacks. We remember Clarence Thomas!!
October 16th, 2005 at 2:22 pmThey used to call themselves “Tories”, traitors during the revolutionary war.
Then they were “Federalists”, traitors during the war of 1812.
Now they call themselves “Republicans” (neocons), and our forefathers knew exactly how to deal with them.
October 16th, 2005 at 2:26 pm#39 LOL!
October 16th, 2005 at 2:27 pmNow, lets find who was behind 9-11.???
October 16th, 2005 at 2:44 pmand the ‘REAL CAUSE’ of attacking Iraq, and am I
right to think the same group or person is
planing to attack Iran.???
Oh my God. We had to “decide.” Hey, was this just a slip of the tongue, a wrong choice of words, like the time she called Bush “my husband” at a dinner? Let me get this straight. While Bush attended his reading lesson at Booker Elementary, someone slammed two planes into the WTC, someone else slammed a plane into the Pentagon, and someone else shot a plane…I mean antother hijacked plane crashed in PA. After that, don’t you investigate? And when you conclude who did it, right or wrong, don’t you try to bring them to justice? No, you decide who you want to try to pin the blame on and start a war. Unbelievable.
October 16th, 2005 at 2:57 pmWhat’s Merriam-Webster say?
Main Entry: bold
Pronunciation: ‘bOld
1 a : slow of mind b : given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner c : lacking intelligence or reason :
so, they did make the bold choice.
October 16th, 2005 at 2:58 pm#31, Bob- absolutely brilliant comment mate! Quite a chuckle I had going… until I remeber the topic here and all that anger against the players in this administation boils up- these “people” are the architects of failure on so many levels it’d be comical were it not so tragic. NeoCondi’s statements illustrate perfectly how their attempts at spin are growing more and more desparate as public opinion turns against them; these past few weeks, with all it’s various scandals and investigations reaching a tipping point, have been like watching in slow motion a damn about to burst- first a few leaks trickle thru here and there (imagine Bush, Rice, Rove, Rummy et al scrambling to plug the holes w/ their fingers), then the cracks begin spreading, faster and faster they wind and connect, spouts bursting, chunks of concrete falling… the Fitzgerald indictments may be the final surge that brings the whole wall down, sweeping the entire Axis of Feeble away in a tide of discontent, shame, and humiliation. Will justice be served(?) is the question. Anybody feel me?
October 16th, 2005 at 3:05 pmEvery story I read about Iran before we invaded Iraq said that Iran’s younger – freedom loving ‘liberal’ voices were being heard and gaining political strenght by the day.
Team Thug shot that to hell. Kind of like using the National Guard to protect the homeland as Hart-Rudman said needed to be done. Shot that to hell, also.
Anyone else get the feeling that Bush and his accomplices all want to rush past the mandatory “we all morn the deaths” line? It’s like they want to get to the more pressing deceptions of the day. As if they are tired or bored with having to say they really give a damn about any of those giving their lives for the Child tool and his band of inept fools?
October 16th, 2005 at 3:11 pmThe only question is: How do we keep from having an impeachment inquiry regarding the conspiracy to take the nation to war based on lies?
October 16th, 2005 at 3:14 pmNot many terrorist oil fields in Afghanistan or Pakistan, plenty in Iraq though, Iran and Venezuela too. That’s proximate!
October 16th, 2005 at 3:14 pmWhat Condiliar and Harriet Miers and Karen Hughes do is the Republican version of a blowjob.
October 16th, 2005 at 3:17 pmShe may have gotten our attention with her statement about Iraq but read also her views on Syria.
Condi addressed the future plans for the REGION in that very same sentence.
“bolder approach…and that meant a different kind of Middle East”
moments later she says:
“The Syrian regime is out of step with what is going on in the region, …”
and then:
October 16th, 2005 at 3:27 pm“So this is about Syrian behavior. I think you will see over the next couple of weeks that we will have to address these issues in a multilateral fashion…”
What roachpoacher said above. Basically, Condi is admitting 9/11 was an inside job. Al Qaeda is a largely ficitonal creation as is the official 9/11 story.
October 16th, 2005 at 3:37 pmDid anyone not note that this statement in effect admits that Administration was too cowardly to put its true rationale for war up to the American people prior to the invasion of Iraq, preferring to exxagerate the threat of Saddam’s “weapons of mass destruction”?
“I trust the American people,” my ass.
October 16th, 2005 at 3:40 pmParaguay.
October 16th, 2005 at 3:52 pmI am boggled as to how Rice and cronies can, in the face of the Iraq disaster, low poll numbers for Bush, and Fitzgerald looming, intimate that the U.S. is on track to invade SYRIA!SEVERELY PSYCHO!!
October 16th, 2005 at 3:57 pm(”Paraguay” was for #46!)
Is it to late to have America back the way it was before the year 2000.? Just wondering.
October 16th, 2005 at 4:06 pmThe cause of 9/11 was rogue states supporting extremists. Iraq was and had been for some time a rogue state. Why does anyone even read ThinkProgress? There is absoltly no value to it.
October 16th, 2005 at 4:22 pmWhat we were doing before 2000 is, I’m afraid, part of the reason we’re where we are in 2005. I don’t want to go back to Third Way silliness, ‘triangulation’, or any of the rest of that sad mess.
October 16th, 2005 at 4:23 pmIs it to late to have America back the way it was before the year 1492? Just wondering.
October 16th, 2005 at 4:27 pmThe “proximate cause” of 9/11 was Dick Cheney.
October 16th, 2005 at 4:32 pm#64 et al – From an online dictionary
When Condi uses the word PROXIMATE
proximate cause –
A cause that sets in motion a sequence of events uninterrupted by any superseding causes and that results in a usually foreseeable effect (as an injury) which would not otherwise have occurred called also direct cause; legal cause
compare: remote cause
October 16th, 2005 at 4:33 pm[...] Think Progress » Rice: After 9-11 “We Could Decide the Proximate Cause Was Al Qaeda†– This morning on NBC’s Meet the Press, Condoleezza Rice explains why we invaded Iraq: [...]
October 16th, 2005 at 4:41 pmIs it to late to have America back the way it was before the year 1492? Just wondering.
Comment by gb
Sure. You could make it that way for yourself anytime you feel like it. Just remove yourself from society take nothing but a knife and go live in the middle of one of the national parks. You wouldn’t last a month before you’d be sitting there asking yourself if it isn’t too late to go dragging ass back to your Mom’s house.
You people can’t even get it right in your dreams.
October 16th, 2005 at 4:46 pmFirst of all — props to #39.
Was that a metaphuuuurr?
Condi is a lightweight just like Bush. If these evil neo-cons remain in power, she would be the perfect puppet for their continuing escapades.
But let’s hope our Karma isn’t quite that bad.
October 16th, 2005 at 4:53 pmattack russia goddamnit. they’re genetically evil.
October 16th, 2005 at 4:58 pm“Today, bin Laden remains at large, international terrorism is on the rise and the invasion has become “a potent recruiting tool for al Qaeda and other terrorist groups.—
Bin Laden’s DNA is spread all over Tora Bora, and international terrorism is on the wane. They can’t do squat except blow up their own backyards. Recruiting is down now that the cannon fodder is finding out all the leaders really want is walking bombs and even the thugocracies are cracking down on their ideological soul mates vowing to crush terrorists among them.
It’s a simple matter of doing what you say you’re going to do that’s making the battlefield fall out from under the Islamofascists. We’ve done everything we’ve promised and that leaves them no doubt as to how many millions of people we’ll kill in the middle east if the current ruling heads don’t get their act together and pay more that lip service to the war on Muslim religious fanatics. Iran is the exception.
Instead of believing we’ll turn them into a modern day Gomorrah they’ve increased their anti-West rhetoric, support for insurgents and development of atomic weapons and delivery systems (with the help of Russia, Red China and N. Korea.)
If anyone here thinks Iran will be allowed to field atomic tipped long range missiles (thanks to the Russians) capable of hitting European capitals not to mention Israel they aren’t thinking straight. Neither Republican, Democrat or touchy feely Eurolosers will stand for that.
If Iran doesn’t stand down there’s going to be another war but this one will only take a few minutes before it’s all over. It’s too bad. The Iranian people in general are first rate. Too bad so many of them think the moon god is going to pull their asses out of the nuclear inferno.
October 16th, 2005 at 5:04 pmAnd to think there are actually those who want to see Condi run for president!?!?
October 16th, 2005 at 5:24 pmSheesh! If ever there was a definition of “clueless” she is it. I can still remember her testimony before the 9/11 Commission. That she felt the memo stating that Al Qeada was going to use airliners to attack within the US wasn’t important because no-one told her it was important and that she thought it refered to events outside the US. And to think she’s considered to be “bright” — ouch!
OIL–ONLY OILOIL OIL OIL=IMPERIALISM
It is undeniable. A simple search on Google—Cheney + Oil—Cheney + Pnac—Pnac + 1992 Report—1992 Report to Bush—Wolfowitz + Oil—Wolfowitz + 1992 Report—Pnac 1998 Letter to President Clinton.
There is no denying that per the 1992 Report by Wolfowitz and Libby to Cheney to President Bush I the goal is to —-CONTROL MIDDLE EAST OIL.
They wrote “we cannot allow any nation to challenge America economically, militarily or politicallyâ€.
Folks! Read it. Hundreds of pages.
We are surrounding the Middle East Oil Reserves with Military Bases. No question. Undeniable. Their reports are on record.
The Cheney Report in 1992 to Bush I astonished him and disturbed him as it was Imperial Control. They tried to hide it. Too late. Press had copies.
OIL OIL OIL OIL Believe it. Write on it.
Imagine Russia building military bases in Canada, Mexico, Cuba, Nassau, Haw River.
We have bases under their (Russia) nose.
Talk about FEAR. This is big time FEAR. Russians can push a few buttons and no more America.
Secretary of Defense William Perry visited Russia’s Nuclear Missile sites in 1990’s.
He said he trembled when he visited one seven stories underground with 200 ICBM with Multiple Nuclear Warheads aimed at United States. Each ICBM had power many times that of the one used at Hiroshima.
Thirty minutes from launch and 200 cities/military sites are destroyed. Radiation fall out would kill millions.
clarence swinney
October 16th, 2005 at 5:37 pmpolitical historian
burlington nc
http://www.cwswinney@netzero.net
The cosmic forces of Greed and Stupidity have finally won over the government of these United States, so much so that any effective governance is completely stymied and not allowed to exist by said forces, who strangle any and all reasoned discourse and action in their cradles like unwanted crack babies born to 15-year-old trailer-park mothers.
WHERE IS OUR CAESAR?
Somewhere in the United States Army there HAS to be our military dictator who will one day pull us from this mess of insane and uncontrollable Moronarchy. He’s probably the rank of Colonel or Brigadier about now, working very hard somewhere in Iraq, Afghanistan or Bosnia, knowing deep in his heart that he is destined to Greatness.
Will you join us in urging him forward?
October 16th, 2005 at 5:39 pmMrWrong wants to turn this discussion into one over Iran – and the question is why? Since Iraq has been such a miserable failure, the NeoCons want to look for the next war, hoping they can execute this one better. But what’s the REAL story with Iran. Here’s some background.
We must first go back to the Ford administration (A REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION SCREWED UP AGAIN OF COURSE) where Rumsfeld laid the foundation and sold the equipment to allow Iran to develop NUCLEAR WEAPONS. Republican presidents are just one foreign policy disaster after another! Because of their failures with CREATING ALQUEDA AND OSAMA, CREATING SADDAM, and EVEN CREATING A REVOLUTION IN IRAN THROUGH EISENHOWER OVERTHROWING THEIR DEMOCRACY AND INSTALLING A DICTATOR, once again republicans wish to follow failure with folly. If they weren’t killing so many americans, and endangering the security of the nation (THEY CLEARLY HATE AMERICA AS THEY ENDANGER US CONSTANTLY), it would just be sad. But unfortunately republicans aren’t just sad, they’re so inept THEY’RE DANGEROUS!
†Yet Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and outgoing Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz held key national security posts when the Ford administration made the opposite argument 30 years ago.
Ford’s team endorsed Iranian plans to build a massive nuclear energy industry, but also worked hard to complete a multibillion-dollar deal that would have given Tehran control of large quantities of plutonium and enriched uranium — the two pathways to a nuclear bomb. Either can be shaped into the core of a nuclear warhead, and obtaining one or the other is generally considered the most significant obstacle to would-be weapons builders.
After balking initially, President Gerald R. Ford signed a directive in 1976 offering Tehran the chance to buy and operate a US-built reprocessing facility for extracting plutonium from nuclear reactor fuel. The deal was for a complete “nuclear fuel cycle†— reactors powered by and regenerating fissile materials on a self-sustaining basis.
US involvement with Iran’s nuclear program until 1979, which accompanied large-scale intelligence-sharing and conventional weapons sales, highlights the boomerang in US foreign policy. Even with many key players in common, the US government has taken opposite positions on questions of fact as its perception of US interests has changed.
Using arguments identical to those made by the shah 30 years ago, Iran says its nuclear program is essential to meet growing energy requirements, and is not intended for bombs. Tehran revived the program in secret, its officials say, to prevent the United States from trying to stop it. Iran’s account is under investigation by the International Atomic Energy Agency, which is trying to determine whether Iran also has a parallel nuclear weapons program.
Since the energy program was exposed, in 2002, the Bush administration has alternately said that Iran has a secret nuclear weapons program or wants one. Without being able to prove those claims, the White House has made its case by implication, beginning with the point that Iran has ample oil reserves for its energy needs.
Ford’s team commended Iran’s decision to build a massive nuclear energy industry, noting in a declassified 1975 strategy paper that Tehran needed to “prepare against the time — about 15 years in the future — when Iranian oil production is expected to decline sharply.â€
And then lets go back further where Eisenhower overthrew the democratically elected government in 1955 to install the Shah (A DICTATOR) because they didn’t like the actions of the democratic government. What they said and did almost mirrors their current responses to Chavez in Venezuela. Republicans don’t believe in ‘democracy’, they believe in ‘corporatism’. When democracy gets in the way of corporatism, it’s the first thing to be axed, and not the other way around as it should be!
†The last time Iran and Iraq had really warm relations was the mid-1950s. Iraq then had a British-installed constitutional monarchy, and Prime Minister Nuri as-Said was fanatically pro-Western. The CIA had put Mohammad Reza Shah back on the throne in 1953, deposing the democratically elected prime minister, Mohammad Mossadegh (who had angered the United States when he nationalized the Iranian oil industry). In 1955 Said and the shah both signed on to the Baghdad Pact, a U.S.-sponsored security agreement against the Soviet Union and Arab nationalist Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt. The pact proved ill-fated, however. A popular revolution overthrew the Iraqi monarchy in 1958, and Nuri’s corpse was dragged in the street. Another popular revolution overthrew the shah in 1979. In 1980-1988, Iran-Iraq relations reached their nadir, as Saddam Hussein’s Baath Party and Khomeini’s Revolutionary Guards slugged it out on battlefields of a dreary horror not seen since World War I. Jaafari’s visit was designed to erase the bitter legacies of that war.â€
October 16th, 2005 at 5:48 pmWhen Condi cops her indictment this week, she will have to choose which pair of C-Shoes to wear to court. Can America trust her to make the correct decision?
October 16th, 2005 at 5:49 pm“It’s a simple matter of doing what you say you’re going to do that’s making the battlefield fall out from under the Islamofascists.”
Islomafascists, or christian fascists like MrWrong are one and the same. The issue is that both sides are now fascist and overly religious. Only the secular and liberal ideas in BOTH cultures hold any promise for saving the planet. If we allow radical christians and radical islam to battle, the whole world will suffer!
October 16th, 2005 at 5:49 pmOSAMA BIN LADEN IS PLANNING TO KILL YOU — RIGHT NOW! The CIA knew where Bin Laden was and was trying to KILL him. Bush knew too, and he pulled the troops OUT — then he LIED about it! Now the LEADER of the CIA operation to kill Bin Laden is trying to get that story out, and he is being CENSORED! Wasn’t bush’s daddy the Director of the CIA??? Which crony did this bush appoint to this un-important job?!?! WHY DOES BUSH-THE-DRAFT-DODGER HAVE OUR TROOPS TIED UP IN IRAQ AND NOT HUNTING DOWN BIN LADEN — THE TERRORIST WHO ACTUALLY ATTACKED US ON SEPTEMBER 11TH????????????????????????
“Osama was there, we were aware he was there, and we were doing everything in our power to capture, kill him, and destroy his forces,” says Bernsten, who was the leader of a secret CIA paramilitary unit pursuing bin Laden.
http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=593756
Remember what Bush-the-draft-dodger said!!!!
The president called his opponent’s allegation “the worst kind of Monday-morning quarterbacking.” Bush asserted that U.S. commanders on the ground did not know if bin Laden was at the mountain hideaway along the Afghan border.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8853000/site/newsweek/
(Why the HELL isn’t this news? What the HELL does Iraq have to do with this??? Why the HELL aren’t our troops hunting Osama? OSAMA BIN LADEN IS PLANNING TO KILL YOU — RIGHT NOW! WHY IS HE STILL ALIVE AND OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?)
October 16th, 2005 at 6:19 pmMaybe Condi, like her boss, Dumbya, did too many drugs in the 60’s and 70’s. She’s good at lying, even beter the the VP,,”Cyborg DICK” Cheney…
October 16th, 2005 at 6:20 pmThe *real* underlying cause of terrorism is Teletubbies!
Attack! Attack! Attack!
October 16th, 2005 at 6:23 pmBy joining the American Coalition 4 Direct Democracy (Am 4, four fingers raised, the umbrella concept that unites political action groups) we can provide the voice that will win the real War on Terror and expose the misconduct of our administration. Everyone should know that the invasion of Iraq was planned before 9/11 and contracts for rebuilding destroyed targets were already drawn up. John Poindexter and others were former bin Laden allies who engaged in running cocaine into our country in the 1980’s (Mena, Ark airport) and supplied groups such as al quaida with weapons and laundered money, having previously supplied bin Laden with 600 stinger missles bought by the taxpayer. The Bush staff already included former exonerated felons and perjurers who would break any law for policy. There is evidence to establish a flowing of informnation from the White House to the al quada enabling them to know that they were not being scrutinized (see the photo of bin Laden in a red Toyota spotted by the unarmed drone), would not be subject to an immediate counter attack and would attain the common goal. Al Quaida attacked New York to provoke the invasion of Iraq and provide a bigger front for radical Islamic terrorism. Of course this administration is now looking at Iran. Am 4 will not allow the government to fire nuclear weapons at millions of unarmed middle eastern citizens. Join Am 4 now and keep it a secret. This is a wonderful site, keep it going. -Doug
October 16th, 2005 at 7:11 pmEverytime Condi opens her mouth, more bullshit comes out. She lies more often than anyone besides Scotty in the Bush WH. The worst thing is that no one calls her on the bald faced lies.
And these people call themselves Christians?
May they rot in hell.
October 16th, 2005 at 7:44 pmThese f*ckers just keep on spinnin’ and getting away with it. And the Kool-Aid drinkers like I-Right-I are foolish enough to believe the batshit insanity that emanates from the Whitehouse.
Who in the MSM will dare say “WTF” to Rice? The MSM still allows the f*cking neo-cons like Richard Perle to go around on TV and talk their b.s. without offering a sane counterpoint. WTF?
October 16th, 2005 at 8:02 pm“WHY DOES BUSH-THE-DRAFT-DODGER HAVE OUR TROOPS TIED UP IN IRAQ AND NOT HUNTING DOWN BIN LADEN — THE TERRORIST WHO ACTUALLY ATTACKED US ON SEPTEMBER 11TH”
Hey…chill out…relax…The answer to your question is that while Osama sent the terrorists to attack the twin towers, the CIA knew where they were and most likely what they intended. It was allowed to happen because it was the only way to get the public behind action in the mid-east. This has been the pnac’s agenda for a long time.
The Bush family is close to the Saudis, when GW went tripping through the bluebells with King Saud he most likely recieved assurances that Osama would be reigned in by his family.
There is little chance of another attack from terrorists in the US. All of the “alerts” have been raised for political reasons. The people we are not safe from are the pieces of shit that crawled out of the abyss and sit in Wash. DC.
October 16th, 2005 at 8:07 pmDepends on what your definition of “proximate” is, I guess…
October 16th, 2005 at 8:07 pmFeh.
Ptui.
October 16th, 2005 at 8:08 pmCondi “mushroom cloud” Rice ought to be circumspect at the very least, since she was but one of the propagandists, leading us into the immoral invasion of iraq. the distortions and lies the administration saturated the media with, would give any sane person “pause”… but apparently Condi, just keeps on towing the party line of: “stay the course”, as the ship is sinking.
of course, now that the bees are out o’ the nest, what other options do these misguided idealogues have, except ‘run and hide’.
recall the evidence from former secretary Paul O’Neill, who was a member of the NSC as well, which clearly showed bush and his minions planning to invade iraq and overthrow saddam, from literally day 1 in office. which is why, as Richard Clarke, former security czar testified, they missed the signals on the al-queda threat here… and 9/11.
yup, Condi and the neocons will be cheerleading the hollow ‘democracy’ in iraq, since anything is better than the chaos which they have created. however, the chances for factional fighting as well as continued insurgency attacks are high, not to mention that if a govenment is ever formed, it will be very weak and allied with iran.
way to go, Condi!
October 16th, 2005 at 8:27 pmNot to be discounted is Bush’s preference for secrecy and for use of the military handling knotty problems such as advocacy of the army for quarantining avian flu outbreaks and uprooting the posse comitatus decision. We clearly have a dangerous hand on the helm. Know anyone in Congress with the guts to file an Inquiry of Impeachment?
October 16th, 2005 at 8:39 pmYess Condi knows who attacked us on 9-11 their good friends from the H0USE OF SAUD……..
October 16th, 2005 at 8:59 pmCondi is a pug whore. She should have her jaw wired open to make her job easier.
October 16th, 2005 at 9:25 pmOn the day the White House sent their bill to Congress to authorize the use of force in Iraq (their second bill, the first was rejected without a vote because it was too broad in scope), here’s what Condi had to say about Iraq and Al-Qaeda:
“No one is trying to make an argument at this point that Saddam Hussein somehow had operational control of what happened on Sept. 11, so we don’t want to push this too far, but this is a story that is unfolding, and it is getting clearer, and we’re learning more,” Rice said.
Learned anything yet, Condi??
October 16th, 2005 at 9:44 pmThe funniest thing about La Rice is that Dick Morris is actually promoting this handkerchief head for president, calling her the “next Eisenhower”.
October 16th, 2005 at 10:34 pmINDICT !
October 16th, 2005 at 10:43 pmIMPEACH !!
IMPALE !!!
And why exactly is it the whole lot is being sent to The Hague? Inquiring minds want to know.
October 16th, 2005 at 11:00 pmand, therefore, we would go after al Qaeda…or we could take a bolder approach.
Silly me… I thought it was WMD, not nation-building
October 17th, 2005 at 12:01 amWhat indictments? Repug Fitzgerald will not
October 17th, 2005 at 12:47 amupset the applecart and be the cause
fall of the Neocons. It took them to long
to take over the United States of America.
Un hu no way. Hope I’m wrong.
Bbb
Could it be that Condi knows something that we don’t
about what Mr. Fitzgerald is about to reveal?
A devious mind might suspect that she felt a sudden
urge to “clarify” the casus belli du jour.
“An awkward, unscientific lie is often as ineffectual as the truth.”
October 17th, 2005 at 1:28 am– Mark Twain
Trolls are being rounded up, detained, and in some cases, shot as traitors. If you are registered at FReep or lgf, they are coming for you.
October 17th, 2005 at 1:31 am#57 – joanne- yeah, but do they swallow it? It’s good for the skin, has protein in it…
October 17th, 2005 at 3:12 amCondi: “But the fact of the matter is that when we were attacked on September 11, we had a choice to make. We could decide that the proximate cause was al-Qaeda and the people who flew those planes into buildings and, therefore, we would go after al-Qaeda and perhaps after the Taliban and then our work would be done and we would try to defend ourselves. Or we could take a bolder approach, which was to say that we had to go after the root causes of the kind of terrorism that was produced there, and that meant a different kind of Middle East. And there is no one who could have imagined a different kind of Middle East with Saddam Hussein still in power.”
The existence of a “proximate cause” implies the existence of an “ultimate cause.” Even Condi couldn’t try to make the case that Saddam was the ultimate cause of all terrorism. Removing him was necessary but not sufficient, at least as far as the Administration is concerned. To “go after the root causes…meant a different kind of Middle East.” Iraq was the available target, but is only a means to an end. The American people are not prepared [ie, propagandized] for the full picture yet. The fighting is not nearly over. Next: Syria? Iran?
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Am 4 will not allow the government to fire nuclear weapons at millions of unarmed middle eastern citizens. Join Am 4 now and keep it a secret. This is a wonderful site, keep it going. -Doug
Comment by Doug Johnson
Let me get this straight; a fringe group of left wing loons will not allow the USA to attack a sworn enemy with all the force it deems necessary? What are you going to do loser, go to Iran as a human shield? Good idea, that might just work. When can you leave?
This is too funny. You just can’t make this stuff up.
October 17th, 2005 at 10:21 amSilly me… I thought it was WMD, not nation-building
Comment by Bill from Dover
That’s what you get for thinking… dumbass.
October 17th, 2005 at 10:23 amKindasleazy has just, for all practical purposes, admitted what many of us have known for years; This administration was either criminally negligent or complict in 9/11. The official conspiracy theory surrounding that sorry piece of American history has to be the silliest out there.
The CIA guy was at the American Hospital in Dubai to talk to Osama, alright, but he was there to tell him when would be the best time to strike, for example, when there was going to be a military exercise, thatthe Bush administration had turned it’s focus away from terrorism, so that Osama pretty much ahd s free reign (as a matter of fact, pertinent agencies had been told to lay of the bin Ladens and money landering.
John Ashcroft had thrown such a fit at the mere mention of Osama’s name, that no one was about to mention it to him again.Still he stopped taking commercial jets in July 2001.
This whole evil, mierable, criminal, treasonous cycle of history must end where it began; in lower Manhattan. Under the memorial to the victims of 9/11, let us bury forever the lust for Empire and un-challenged power.
October 17th, 2005 at 11:28 amSilly me… I thought it was WMD, not nation-building
Comment by Bill from Dover
That’s what you get for thinking… dumbass.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
Oooooh, good comeback – someone points out hypocrisy and you criticize and insult. I-RIGHT-I, you should try this “thinking” thing sometime, you might like it…you might even find that you have your own brain and your own ideas and that you won’t accept the crap and lies that the Bush administration is force-feeding you right now. Or you can just continue to be a mindless, non-thinking dolt and keep doling out the insults and nonsense like a stupid schoolyard bully. The simple fact of the matter is that this is a “the end justifies the means” administration, who keeps changing their stories on EVERYTHING. You just keep drinking on that kool-aid…
October 17th, 2005 at 12:35 pmThe words “arrogance”, “hubris” and “unmitigated gall” simply do not do justice to people like Condi Rice who think that the US should be able to decide the fate of anyone and everyone on the planet. In fact, I don’t think our language has any words to describe the sheer amount of…of whatever the hell it is that has, over the course of their time on this planet, gotten into people like Rice. In God’s name, where *do* they come from?!?!?!?
October 17th, 2005 at 1:28 pm#105 I-R-I
October 17th, 2005 at 1:37 pmWell, that there Middle East place is just packed full of terrorists, who only have one goal in their heads – “Kill Americans”. That’s all these people think of, and nothing else. They live to kill Americans and destroy our way of life, and like roaches they infest the very woodwork of society. Yep, I-R-I, there are no “innocents” around terrorists. If they are used as ‘human shields’ then they are guilty of aiding a terrorist. So why not glass the whole Mid-East? Just get all them freedom/America hating terrorists and their human shield allies in one fell swoop. But let’s not leave out other places there they hide – like, well, pretty much the whole area (to include Israel, which REALLY hate us – ever been there? I have.). You know, its all pre-emptive anyway, and even you know that all those Mid-Eastern people hate us. Kaboom! So, what’s a little “collateral damage” and nuclear fallout among nations?
Now, to the actual point (which I-R-I seems incapable of commenting on in the majority of his… her… its… posts). Ricey just admitted that after 9/11 they did not go after the actual (????) mastermind behind the attacks – the person that the people of the US wanted them to go after, that they chose instead to advance their agenda, and that they decided that the root cause of the attacks was… Iraq being led by Hussein. Funny, how that dovetailed nicely into the PNAC strategy already in existence (including establishing bases in foregin countries and control, or at least oversight, of the oil fields). How convenient. It seems to me that they are trying a new excuse to try to find one that will actually float on the public opinion…. because if indictments are coming, they have to have a good excuse, and some public support. She also admits, though, that they lied then… if their reason (as she postulates) was to seek out the root of the terrorism that led to the strikes (which doesn’t work, since Al Qeda and Hussein were NOT on friendly terms), then the original argument, regardless of what is was, was a lie. If that was the reason, then why not have stated that at the start (o.k., I know, because Rove just now thought of it).
Condi had better watch her language… this talk about “proximate cause” may bring up some things she doesn’t want to hear about, like the proximate causes of terrorism…
October 17th, 2005 at 2:06 pmCondi had better watch her language… this talk about “proximate cause†may bring up some things she doesn’t want to hear about, like the proximate causes of terrorism…
Comment by Pete Bogs
Enlighten us.
October 17th, 2005 at 4:15 pmit look like bushie act like Hilter who wants remove the jews now look at bushies try to remove the muslim and islam because he didnt like them always have different ideas to say bad things. just watch out what next move from bushie
October 17th, 2005 at 5:21 pmThe legality or reasoning for the war in Iraq war is another of the legitimate topics that engages way too much intellectual resources at a time when more people need to address the “truth about 911″. Anyone who has not viewed the news films of that day in slow motion should do so. Until this country decides to deal with what really happened on 911 little else will matter. It is such a simple thing to do, just look.
Respects,
October 17th, 2005 at 8:22 pmamerle
re-open 911, al Qaeda is not responsible. there is way more evidence to suggest that insiders were responsible. this is the biggest crime and cover-up in memory.
October 17th, 2005 at 8:42 pm“this talk about “proximate cause†may bring up some things she doesn’t want to hear about, like the proximate causes of terrorism…
Comment by Pete Bogs
Enlighten us.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I”
The fact that AlQueda was funded and trained by Rebublicans is a good place to start.
The fact that invading Iraq has INCREASED AlQueda recruiting – just as the CIA warned.
The fact that invading Iraq has INCREASED terrorism acts worldwide.
The fact that our support, and sell weapons to (particularly republicans) of fascist dictators in islamic countries is also a good start.
There are a LOT of factors, some the result of the cultural issues in those countries, some caused by external forces. But americans are making it worse, and not making it better when republicans mismanage as they ALWAYS seem to do.
October 17th, 2005 at 9:20 pmIRI – I guess Minnie Putz was supporting our sworn enemies at the time, IRAN. He probably thought the 52 hostages held for 444 days were on vacation in the exotic capital of Teheran.
“The fact that AlQueda was funded and trained by Rebublicans is a good place to start.” – minnie putz
October 18th, 2005 at 1:26 pmWhat a MORON!!!! Your trust fund was wasted on teaching you to read or type! We were assisting AFGHANS who were rightfully upset about being invaded by a common enemy, the late Soviet Union. The Mujuhedeen were a fiercely independent people (who actually sent fighters in to assist in the first Gulf War – but of course you knew that!!) Al Queda was started with the one eyed murdering MD and his whacked out billionaire protege, Osama. Going to Afghanistan to fight the Soviet “infidels”, bin Laden was able to whip up much outside Arab support – which was welcomed at the time by the Afghans. Your mental degeneration must be blurring actual events and dream sequences.
minnie Putz makes the unfortunate mistake of assuming that history began when he was born.
You must realize that these people don’t care what they say or what we think. They are doing exactly as they planned and nothing ,we the people, do makes a damned bit of difference. They pulled off 9/11 and most people still don’t see it, (won’t see it) they will drag us into WWIII and no one can seem to stop it. I guess I am feeling depressed today , but watching my country becoming a Facist/police state does that to me.
October 18th, 2005 at 2:09 pm“The fact that AlQueda was funded and trained by Rebublicans is a good place to start.”
Comment by Ryan “history buff” Neat
Created by Jimmah “Peanut” Carter, funded by the Donks and destroyed by Republicans is the truth. Every thing you know is a lie Neat. How does it feel to be such a ridiculous stooge?
The 2002 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to former President Jimmy Carter for:
“his decades of untiring efforts to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts, to advance democracy and human rights and to promote economic and social development.” (Norwegian Nobel Institute, http://www.nobel.no/eng_ins_new.html , 11 October 2002)
Liberal commentators in the US tend to view the decision of the Nobel Committee as a rebuff to the Bush administration’s war plans. Former president Carter, in contrast to George W., is said to have placed human rights at “the centrepiece of US foreign policy.” In the words of the Norwegian Nobel Committee chairman Gunnar Berge, the award “should be seen as a criticism of the policy that the current US administration has adopted in relation to Iraq”. (Quoted in the Toronto Star, 21 October 2002).
Distorting History
These “human rights” and “peace” buzzwords serve to distort the history of US foreign policy. Here again, the US media has failed to mention a crucial “missing link” — a factual piece of information on Carter’s presidency which has a direct bearing on our understanding of the ongoing post-9/11 crisis.
Amply documented, but rarely mentioned in 9/11 news reports, the “Islamic Militant Network” (the forerunner of Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda), was actually created during Jimmy Carter’s presidency (1976-1981). In July 1979, Carter signed a presidential directive to launch a secret plan in support of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan. Confirmed by former CIA director, Robert Gates, in his book, From the Shadows, this “secret plan” was instrumental in triggering the Soviet-Afghan war. (Robert Gates, From the Shadows: The Ultimate Insider’s Story of Five Presidents and How They Won the Cold War, http://www.gtexts.com/worthreading/gates.html ).
Most American high school history books describe how the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, “without provocation and with overwhelming force”. America then “came to the rescue” of the Afghan “resistance”. This happened under president Jimmy Carter.
Yet Carter’s National Security Adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski confirms that it was the US and not the Soviet Union which started the war:
“According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention….” (Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, Le Nouvel Observateur, 15-21 November 1998)
In other words, the Soviet-Afghan war was triggered on the orders of President Carter, the latest recipient of the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO210B.html
October 18th, 2005 at 2:24 pmYou must realize that these people don’t care what they say or what we think. They are doing exactly as they planned and nothing ,we the people, do makes a damned bit of difference. They pulled off 9/11 and most people still don’t see it, (won’t see it) they will drag us into WWIII and no one can seem to stop it. I guess I am feeling depressed today , but watching my country becoming a Facist/police state does that to me.
Comment by Melissa Shutta
Why would any reasonably intelligent person care what a nut-job who thinks Bush “pulled off” 9-11 thinks? I’m sorry you’re depressed but not surprised. With a head full of Left Wing Nut conspiracy crap how could you be otherwise? I guess that’s what you get for being stupid and easily manipulated. I bet your boyfriends fuck you over on a regular basis too. Poor, poor girl.
October 18th, 2005 at 2:31 pmNow, to the actual point (which I-R-I seems incapable of commenting on in the majority of his… her… its… posts). Ricey just admitted that after 9/11 they did not go after the actual (????) mastermind behind the attacks – the person that the people of the US wanted them to go after, that they chose instead to advance their agenda, and that they decided that the root cause of the attacks was
Comment by mysticagent
I’m capable of waxing eloquent on almost any topic but after awhile this banging my head against the concrete stupidity of the majority of posters here wears a little thin. You are mistaken about almost everything. Islam is THE threat. Period. Ossama is just a little turd in the big crapper known as the Middle East. I think the majority of American want to get Ossama but also realize that killing him will not end the Global Jihad that started some 1500 years ago.
What you people refuse to understand is that we are in a fight for our lives and the Filthy Left is on the other side. That makes the majority of you willing or unwilling enemies of the USA. That’s all there is to it. Here’s a little snip from a book that tells the truth. I suggest you pick up a copy of this instead of The Nation.
“Blankley argues that we must view terrorism and its practitioners like Osama bin Laden in the broader context of a cultural upheaval taking place across the Muslim world. One fifth of mankind, Blankley says, is “in turmoil, and insurgent as it has not been in the last five hundred years, if not fifteen hundred years.” Blankley says we can’t know whether the radical jidahist elements of Islam will eventually peter out or whether they will strengthen and deepen over time, though he suggests “the latter is far more likely.”
“Of particular concern to Blankley is the speed at which Islam is asserting itself throughout Europe; a process exacerbated over the last few decades by liberal immigration policies, falling birthrates across the Continent, a decline in the willingness of Muslims to assimilate, and an adherence to the diktat of tolerance among Western elites that has prevented any meaningful discussion of the issue.
“As a result, Blankley argues the fate of Europe now hangs in the balance. “The threat of radical Islamists taking over Europe,” he writes, “is every bit as great to the United States as was the threat of the Nazis taking over Europe in the 1940’s.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/blog_10_17_05_0945.html
October 18th, 2005 at 4:06 pmHowever much they attempt to cover it up, the fact remains that Iraq was invaded becasue Bush and Blair lied.
October 18th, 2005 at 5:25 pmDoes anyone remember Richard Clarke’s book (2004 is so long ago)? One point Clarke made was that bin Laden had been *predicting,* for at least the last decade, that the U.S. would invade an oil rich Arab country: As to the U.S.’s 2003 invasion, Clarke wrote “It was as if Usama bin Laden, hidden in some high mountain redoubt, were engaging in long-range mind control of George Bush, chanting ‘invade Iraq, you must invade Iraq’†(Chapter 10, pp. 246-247): Bush et al. came to the White House already determined to invade Iraq, citing thoroughly discussed and discredited American Enterprise Institute “theories.”
What is this American Enterprise Institute that the mainstream media and Bush et al. hold in such high regard??
October 18th, 2005 at 8:53 pmWhat is this American Enterprise Institute that the mainstream media and Bush et al. hold in such high regard??
Comment by claudia krenz
Check for glowing references for the American Enterprise Institute and mindlessly repeated pronouncements from on high gleaned from their studies in the MSM and compare to the positive reviews of Clarks homage to himself found in those same pages then get back to me.
By the way, one thing Clark gets right in his book is the failure of previous administrations to act in the face of terrorist attacks against the US since the 70’s as the main reason for their boldness leading up to 9-11 and after. The invasion of Iraq or some other “oil rich” Middle Eastern nation as Clark knew well was inevitable not because of the oil under the sand but because of the nature of the threat trillions of petro-dollars in the hands of Islamic thugs represented.
It’s also interesting to note that the last chapter so critical of Bush seemed to have been added as an afterthought after the book was already written. It’s funny how that happened just in time for the 2004 elections.
October 19th, 2005 at 10:19 amHowever much they attempt to cover it up, the fact remains that Iraq was invaded becasue Bush and Blair lied.
Comment by jamal
Repeating the same worn out slogan over and over again doesn’t make it any less stupid. Stupid.
October 19th, 2005 at 10:21 amIT’S TOO LATE. WE’RE AT WAR AGAINST RADICAL ISLAM. AND ALL ISLAM WAS RADICAL UNTIL THE WEST FINALLY WON MILITARILY IN THE 18TH AND 19TH
October 20th, 2005 at 12:15 amCENTURY. NOW THEY’VE COME BACK AGAINST OUR DECADENT, FEMINIZED, PC,
MORALLY RELITIVISTIC CONSUMER SOCIETY. THEY SAW OUR SOFTNESS,THEY DECLARED WAR ON US BY PROXY (BIN LADIN) IN 1998. THE CENTER OF THE STORM IS SAUDI ARABIA. THE HEART AND SOUL OF RADICAL ISLAM. OUR ALLY. RIGHT. THE SWORD IS PAKISTAN WITH THEIR NUCLEAR ARSENAL AND SHELTERING OF BIN LADEN AND ZAWAHARI. KEEP DRIVING THOSE SUV’S SOLO WHILE CHATTING AWAY ON THE CELL PHONE TO EACH ABOUT OTHER HOW BUSH LIED. IT’S GONNA GET SO MUCH WORSE IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS, YOU’LL THING THESE WERE THE BEST DAYS OF YOUR LIVES. BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE BEEN. WE DON’T HAVE THE MORAL COURAGE OR INTELLECTUAL RESOURCES NOW TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE COMING HARD TIMES. THAT’S THE TRUTH. IN YOUR HEARTS YOU KNOW IT. BUT YOU’LL DISCOUNT, IGNORE, OR FORGET IT ASAP. IT’S JUST TOO PAINFUL. KEEP SPLITTING TODAYS HAIRS, TOMORROW
THE ENEMY WILL GLADLY END YOUR SUFFERING BY SEPARATING YOUR HEAD FROM THE REST OF YOUR BODY. WHY AM I TELLING YOU THIS? BECAUSE YOU DON’T LISTEN. ALAHU AKBAR! DEATH TO AMERICA AND THE WEST. YOUR GRANDCHILDREN WILL PRAY IN MOSQUES AND YOU STUPID BITCHES WILL WEAR THE BURQUA, OR DIE BY THE SWORD OF ISLAM!!!!!ALAHU AKBAR!!!!ALAHU AKBAR!!!ALAHU AKBAR!!!ALAHU AKBAR!!!ALAHU AKBAR!!!ALAHU AKBAR!!!
What Mo said is correct. Europe will be first. But what the hell as a society Europeans long for death anyway. We’ll be next if the Filthy Left has their way. Christian America is all that is standing between the West and Islam.
October 20th, 2005 at 9:31 am[...] Judd: [...]
October 21st, 2005 at 9:42 pmRIGHT I said: Repeating the same worn out slogan over and over again doesn’t make it any less stupid. Stupid.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — October 19, 2005 @ 10:21 am You are right so why do you think repeatedly saying Bush lied over and over makes it right. Every word you speak and the others with you, simply bolster the confidence of the very people our armed forces are trying to keep from blowing your whining ass up. shhhh listen did you hear that? ……It was the sound of NO One caring what you think! Unfortunately the only vaccine for your stupidity is time. Some people die before their time comes too! Let’s hope you live long enough to receive yours.
December 20th, 2005 at 3:59 pmBush acted on information he had, and sure it was flawed, but Iraq did have over 20 tons of Uranium that we took out of Iraq after it was found. Some of it had been processed and was capable of being used in atomic bombs or dirty bombs at least. NY Times reported the moving by The US because activist groups were fearing the worst, leaks, spills, accidents that would release the active parts in the environment. So he did not lie, it was a simple fact that misinformation was sent to Bush. Even though Sadam still did not comply with UN sanctions and cease fire agreements. The Congress voted overwhelmingly to go to war, Democrats and Republicans alike. It’s easy to try to blame one person when if everyone was together like in WWII the enemy would break quicker and victory would be swifter. A quarterback of you high school or college football team gets cheered on and that game does not place your life on the line.
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December 28th, 2005 at 8:08 pm