BREAKING: Barber Cancels Ed Schultz’s Debut on Armed Forces Radio
BREAKING: Barber Cancels Ed Schultz’s Debut on Armed Forces Radio
Armed Forces Radio (AFR) is a station that broadcasts to American troops overseas through “over 1,000 outlets in more than 175 countries.” It currently features an hour of programming by right-wing host Rush Limbaugh. There is no comparable progressive program.
Today, that was supposed change. Ed Schultz – the host of the most popular progressive radio show in the country — was supposed to start broadcasting on Armed Forces radio. Jones Radio, the company that syndicates The Ed Shultz Show, received an email on September 29 from an Armed Forces Radio official confirming that one hour of Schultz’s program would begin airing today, October 17.
But this morning at 6AM, the producer of the Ed Schultz show, James Holm, received a call from Pentagon communications aide Allison Barber. She told Holm that she was calling so early to let Schultz know his show would not begin airing on AFR today. You’ll remember Barber as the aide caught coaching troops before a photo-op with President Bush last week.
Barber told Holm that the Ed Schultz show would not start on AFR today because her boss, Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita, was out of the country and couldn’t approve it. Barber also said she was going out of the country soon for a week-and-a-half. Holm asked Barber if the show would begin when DiRita and Barber returned. Barber said she couldn’t guarantee that.
Here’s the really interesting part. Barber told Holm she heard Ed announced that he would begin on AFR during his show Friday. Schultz’s show Friday began with audio outtakes of Barber sounding foolish as she rehearsed the troops “Q&A session” with Bush.
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this White House cabal really knows how to silence dissent... liberal talk on military radio was just wishful thinking anyway...
October 17th, 2005 at 1:59 pmJudd - it's spelled "Schultz".
October 17th, 2005 at 2:02 pmThanks
October 17th, 2005 at 2:03 pmI would not support liberal biased propoganda on my armed forces radio, especially since it weakens resolve by criticising our leaders. Our troops need moral lifted, not sunk. Rush supports our troops. Schultz supports us being taken over by Islam, obviously.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:08 pmMr. Patterson:
I'm not sure how you get to the 'obvious' conclusion about Schultz. Can you clarify, please?
October 17th, 2005 at 2:11 pmDavid - you were right ! Found this:
I have always supported the US being taken over by Islam, as soon as possible. Death to America !
-Ed Schultz-
October 17th, 2005 at 2:12 pm[...] Again, I am so surprised! [...]
October 17th, 2005 at 2:15 pmDavid--you mean the same Rush Limbaugh who called a Marine a 'staff puke'?
October 17th, 2005 at 2:15 pmThe best way to support our troops is to not start unnecessary wars. Many soldiers realize they've been betrayed, and I for one look forward to the day that a soldier punches Rush in the nose.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:16 pmI have a real problem with people who say that because a person does not agree with the current administration and voices the FACTS, they are labeled as "not supporting the troops".
I am a Army Veteran and I find it silly that people who say they support the troops are the ones who want to keep information from them. That is not supporting the troops. PERIOD
Supporting troops does not mean that we hide information and pretend that things are fine, when they clearly are not. Let's support the troops by providing them with the proper tools to do the job and with competant leaders.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:16 pmOh I see Dave P is posting here as well. He usually just bothers us over at Eschaton.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:17 pmWith his clear and obvious dislike for freedom of speech and democracy it sounds like Mr. Patterson is the Islam supporter. I bet Saddam only had one viwepoint given to his armed forces.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:17 pm"Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita, was out of the country and couldn’t approve it"
like they just thought of this yesterday ??, it's been in the works for weeks and just now they go, wow, it hasn't been vetted by the DoD and C.C.C.P, so we can't allow our troops to learn the truth about their piece of shit boss
help stop this country from becoming a fundamentalist theocracy aiding and abetting a kleptocratic war profiteering police state that continues to remove civil liberties from americans on the premise of fighting a never ending war on a transitive adverb
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Wow David, Rush supports the troops eh? By sitting on his anal cyst infected ass fogged over with hillbilly heroin? He "supports" the troops by supporting bush sending them to die for a lie? It's obvious to you, that anyone that disagrees with your illusion that they support Islam? Hmmm Islam is a religion, not an enemy, last time I checked it's still legal in America. I guess in your world it would be pretty hard to find any christian terrorists or mass killers, (see Oklahoma City for starters). I guess the only thing your post proves is that you are a bigot, kinda stupid, and very uninformed. It really must suck to be you.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:18 pm#4
It is possible to support the troops at the same time that you call the administration morons. But, being a right wing facist such as yourself, you will never figure out that fact. You think that the governmetn shouldn't be questioned, which makes you unpatriotic according to the founding fathers the administration likes to bring up all the time.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:18 pmOh grow up Davie,
give the new iraq constitution a read, we wasted our grandchildren's treasury and the lives of our soldiers on an ISLAMIC REPUBLIC WHERE NO LAW CAN TRUMP THE LAW OF ISLAM.
also rush does not support the troops, he supports the war, a big difference. he doesnt care who fights it just as long as it isnt him
as for our "resolve" if you can explaine what total victory is with out using the phrase "a free and democratic iraq" then i might give you an ounce of credit.
jive turkey
October 17th, 2005 at 2:19 pmDavid: It's spelled "morale", but you are correct in that the administration's morals need to be lifted, too. Ever listen to Ed Schultz? He is usually criticizing the administration for things like cutting the troops' combat pay and medical benefits. And for outing CIA operatives for political retribution during a time of war. But Rush supports our troops, as he proved by taking deferments when it was his turn to serve. Rush is the most troop-supportive drug-addict on the radio, though, so kudos to him.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:20 pm1. It's not YOUR armed forces radio, as you are obviously neither a taxpayer nor a current or previous member of the armed forces.
2. It's morale, nimrod (no one knows what "criticising" is, either).
October 17th, 2005 at 2:20 pmIf Rush has an hour than Schultz should get an hour.
Schultz always stands by his word and will tell the truth-if you don't like what he says or think he is wrong call him, he's up for a reasonable dialogue.
After seeing the Bush photo-op that Barber orchestrated it appeared that Bush is in some serious psychological/emotional trouble. He had trouble saying his rehearsed lines, keeping the earpiece on, talking at the tight time: he was a mess!
October 17th, 2005 at 2:22 pmIf Armed Forces Radio is censored due to morale, then you're also admitting it's a propaganda tool for the meat.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:26 pmThe armed forces is mine, solar.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:27 pmPlease don't feed the trolls. They only come here because their own blogs don't permit comment.
No dissent allowed.
OBVIOUSLY.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:28 pmAfter seeing the Bush photo-op that Barber orchestrated it appeared that Bush is in some serious psychological/emotional trouble. He had trouble saying his rehearsed lines, keeping the earpiece on, talking at the tight time: he was a mess!
Still...he seemed genuinely touched when that eye-raqui fellow told him 'Thank you for something...I like youse!'
October 17th, 2005 at 2:29 pmPlay ball with me or I will shove the bat up your ass. However, paybacks can be hell. Or a hell of a lot of fun depending on whether you are the payee or the payer.
They can run but they ain't gonna hide.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:32 pmBrilliant! So much for transparency in government. No wonder the DOD tv channels don't get credentialed as press organizations!
October 17th, 2005 at 2:32 pmDavid, you are absolutely right--if there's one thing our military should not be exposed to, it's freedom of speech and the right to have a dissenting opinion. For heaven's sake, it's not as if they are FIGHTING for these freedoms or anything.
In terms of morale (I'm assuming that's what you meant, although a case could be made that some of them also need a "moral" lift), I can't think of anything more demoralizing than believing that the rest of the country is actually buying into the bullshit being shoveled out by the establishment. Allowing the troops "equal access" to the debate honors their service. You must not have much faith in the resolve of our armed forces if you truly believe they can only function when fed false rhetoric.
Consider the difference between "patriot" and "nationalist." A patriot believes in and loves this country enough to be able to acknowledge when we are on the wrong track and take the difficult steps necessary to make an adjustment. Patriots are willing to work to ensure our country lives up to it's hard-won ideals, values and promise. Nationalists, on the other hand, are lazy. They take on the mantle of the patriot, but are unwilling to do the work. They CHOOSE to believe their country can never be wrong because it's easier than remaining vigilant and protecting the values supposedly sacred to all of us (read: Constitution).
I work on a military base and see patriots daily. They don't object to an open discussion of current events--they welcome it. They realize that there are valid opposing viewpoints, but it doesn't keep them from doing their job. They don't need to be lied to--they know how difficult it is to be in the Armed Forces today. And they certainly don't need a bunch of pretend patriots deciding what they should or should not listen to.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:33 pmPatterson's a parody. A bad one.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:33 pmFile this incident under media, lack of ethics!! Not a surprise, really--the only decent news on radio in the sandbox is the BBC World Service. If you rely on AFR for information, you live in a world where Wally is trying out for the softball team, Beaver has left his dirty socks under the bed, Ward smokes his stinky pipe in the house, and June vacuums in high heels and pearls, and they all drink milk at dinner from wine glasses.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:33 pmPatterson is a cowardly lyin, still man dating a Chimp.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:36 pmMilitary Yanks Ed Schultz Show From Debut On Armed Forces Radio
The military has pulled The Ed Schultz Show from its planned debute on Armed Forces Radio today.
Note that earlier today this site ran this exclusive
October 17th, 2005 at 2:38 pmEd does tend to bite the hand that feeds him, but, then that is what gives Ed mass appeal. He tends to be somewhat outrageous and controversial.
He doesn't adhere to any party line. However, he doesn't toss around insults and name-calling isn't tolerated.
Why shouldn't people question the war in Iraq? I mean whose money is it that is being spent over there? How did the government get its money in the first place.
The pollyannish MSM is doing the job, and maybe Ed feels as though he fills some holes.
I can't understand why the AFR would not want to air his show. The US troops that listen could call in and question him about his views and be able to air their own views.
Anyway, that's a convienent rationalization. I'm quite sure that the 'views' of US troops in Iraq would be from a 'coached' viewpoint.
From which, Ed would tear them apart. It's a lose-lose sitiation for the Armed Forces Radio and the US military.
That's why Ed's show didn't air on AFR.
Anyway, that's the way it is in 2005. Propaganda works for only so long. You can fool some of the people all of the time...
When it comes to US troops in Iraq, they must be fooled all of the time. Ed would make fools of them.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:38 pmHate Ed or love him, at least he talks with his callers, unlike Rush. Rush is a fat hypocrite who brings nothing, nothing, to the table but hate. Why should this fat gasbag get airtime when a liberal qwho is very popular doesn't? And the reason for scrapping the show is b.s. Yep, 3 weeks and they never had time to clear it, sure.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:40 pmMichele in #26,
That paragraph that you wrote explaining the difference between patriot and nationalist should be attached to the logo on the mainpage of this website. I'm cutting and pasting it and putting it on my fridge. Thanks for such eloquent truth.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:40 pmThe administration needs its moral uplifted and its ethics too.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:42 pmDavid,
October 17th, 2005 at 2:43 pmLike other media sources exclusively for troops (base libraries, Stars and Stripes, AFN) AFR's syndicated programing aims to present a relatively pluralistic cross-section of viewpoints -- as one might find back home in the States. The rationale behind this is that soldiers still serve a free, representative democracy. While they may not be able to freely express their political views while in uniform, service members have every right to be fully informed citizens and vote.
I'm an active-duty soldier myself. Have you ever been? You'd be surprised by the diversity of political viewpoints in our ranks.
Isn't Tavis Smiley on AFR?
October 17th, 2005 at 2:43 pmSince Rush flat out lies everyday. I would like to know how he is good for the Armed Forces. Ed seems to be honest. He is the only person on the radio that speaks of benefits being cut. Has Rush ever mentioned this fact. Ed has members of OpTruth.com on his show. From what I can see their site is pretty upstanding. Remember Hitler told his people that Poland had weapons that could kill many Germans. We would call them WMD's today. Yet the people of Germany never heard the truth about those weapons. If you believe in freedom and democracy then you don't have any problem with Ed. being on the air. He is the last person that would try to speak ill of our men and women over seas.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:48 pmFrom the inside...when ol rush comes on the radio the troops just laugh at him. This from a man who just returned from Iraq. They aren't stupid, and know the AF RADIO is all pro war b.s.
October 17th, 2005 at 2:49 pmDoes this mean Rush will be gone from AFR's programming in 2008, along with the Republican administration?
October 17th, 2005 at 2:52 pmpeople who talk about war criticism demoralizing the troops fail to take something important into account: this entire Plamegate issue is about someone who found Bush's WMD claims were false, and they knew it... how does that make troops feel? lost an arm? it was because of a lie... lost a buddy? it was because of a lie... you seem to want to throw insults out whenever confronted by the truth... neocons are now a cornered animal...
October 17th, 2005 at 2:55 pmThis is a standard practice for government bureaucrats who don't have the stones to back up their decisions but don't want to actually do something. So they play the "all planets must be aligned" game, while ensuring that the planets will not aligh. Anyone whose tried to get something perfectly legal and prescribed but unpopular done knows this game very well.
October 17th, 2005 at 3:06 pmI say to hell with Ed and let's keep supporting those troops. Let's stay behind our young men and women who will die at a rate of 2 to 3 a day, and get wounded at a rate of 20 per day. Look you bleeding heart Liberals out there, I'm a body bag manufacturer who wants to do nothing but provide for my family. How else can I do that if I don't enlist your help in supporting our troops in Iraq.
October 17th, 2005 at 3:06 pmIt is another sad day in America when the corrupt, immoral Bush administration decides to once again suppress anybody that does not agree with their warped views and policies.
October 17th, 2005 at 3:07 pmWhat's that you say? We're fighting for freedom and democracy. Yeah sure! A little freedom and democracy in this country would be nice.
I know "Big Eddie" will keep fighting the good fight. The majority of the good citizens of the United States are behind you.
All the more reason to throw the Rebublican bums out in 2006 and impeach Bush for taking us into this needless war endangering and killing our brave men and women in the armed forces.
bodybag manufacturer.....the Bushies have been very, very good to you.
October 17th, 2005 at 3:16 pmRush "40 pills a day" Limbaugh went to Afghanistan to "lift the morale of the troops" and told them that people back home (namely us evil "libs") are wishing them dead. How's that for a morale booster!!!!
October 17th, 2005 at 3:20 pmOK...I'm a dumbass. Sorry. Karl...er my wife said I should say those things. The only reason I support Rush is his support of the minorities, after all he did contribute a lot of big bucks to his housemaid. He also is truly backs giving jobs to the poor and unfortunate (read Iraq war vets). Hell, sometimes when these guys and girls want to leave this great experience, we even protect them from making such a rash decision with a little policy called stop-loss.
October 17th, 2005 at 3:21 pmThose people that want to end war don't care for the troops, they want to force them to come home and live with their families and help protect America. How stupid, Halli-america needs them to provide protection over there.
#15
Using your logic, then it is possible to support the President and not the troops. See how stupid that sounds? You either support the effort of our President and the troops or you don't. How can you possibly support the troops when you don't support their mission?
October 17th, 2005 at 3:21 pmHow insulting to the troops. What, they can't be trusted to hear both sides of the argument? They can only be exposed to a viewpoint that less than 50% of the American people share?
How sadly ironic that our troops are supposedly fighting for Iraqi freedom...but own on government denies them freedom of choice as to what they can listen to.
Patterson...you should be ashamed of supporting a totalitarian tactic of this administration. I'll bet you were a big fan of Pravda in the old Soviet Unioon, too.
Great post on the definition between Patriotism and Nationalism, Michele. Too bad that those who are in most need to understand the difference are intellectually incapable of groking the significance of the difference between the two viewpoints.
October 17th, 2005 at 3:21 pmThis just in--Tom DeLay will go through the booking and fingerprinting process in Travis Country, Texas, this Friday. I wonder if he'll have to stand in line with the other accused criminals?
October 17th, 2005 at 3:22 pmwhat is her email address?
October 17th, 2005 at 3:24 pmwe need to let her know how we feel
I would not support...on my armed forces radio, especially since it weakens resolve by criticising our leaders.
Really? Did you feel the same way when Flush was on Armed Forces Radio accusing Commander-in-Chief Clinton of rape, murder and treason?
October 17th, 2005 at 3:27 pmLiberal hater @ 3:21-
Are you another CONservative with amensia? Let me help refresh your memory-
"You can support the troops but not the president."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years."
--Joe Scarborough (R-FL)
"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"
--Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99
"[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."
--Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)
"American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."
--Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush
"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."
--Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)
"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
--Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)
Funny thing is, we won that war without a single soldier killed in action.
You'll have to find better RNC talking points than that weak post, numbski.
October 17th, 2005 at 3:29 pmSupport the troops......demand that they be removed from Iraq and stationed back home where they can protect the U.S.
October 17th, 2005 at 3:30 pmOh yes it's so much more MORAL to have Rush on the air waves -- because he's SO positive and SO up-lifting! Right and the man is being investigated for doctor and drug shopping, to support his drug habit! Give me a break! I am outraged!
Ed Schultz is a knowledgeable talk show host that doesn't expose hate and anger and isn't a liar. He researches his points and states the FACTS, which is more than Rush Limbaugh ever thought of doing. The ONLY THING Rush Limbaugh has is being a jerk and a loud mouth that loves confrontation and outragous statements. Rush sounds more and more racist, sexist and prejudiced in his commentary. Ed Schultz obviously isn't racist, he isn't sexist, and his show doesn't pre-screen the callers. This is an obvious attempt by the Right and the Bush Admin to censor free speech and American's freedoms -- THE VERY THING OUR SOLIDERS ARE IN IRAQ FIGHTING......FOR!!!
Unbelieveable!
October 17th, 2005 at 3:33 pmFairness? Not as long a republicans control House, Senate, White House, Courts and Pentagon.
October 17th, 2005 at 3:35 pm[...] From Think Progress: BREAKING: Barber Cancels Ed Schultz’s Debut on Armed Forces Radio [...]
October 17th, 2005 at 3:36 pmThis while the Bush Administration is ostensibly exporting democracy and "freedom" abroad.
Michelle in #26 really does nail it, as Jay in #33 observed, and to prove it we will take this issue to the streets by way of MoveOn, TrueMajority, etc. and we will shame these despots into honoring their pledge to put Big Eddie on AFR.
Please join me in spreading the word to expedite Big Eddie's rightful place on AFR's schedule.
October 17th, 2005 at 3:38 pmThank you Jay. Perhaps when the declared civil war in Iraq (there's already an undeclared one going on)begins, that will mean more money, more money, more money for me and my family. I mean if dick cheney can make an 1,800% profit gain from his Haliburton stock, why shouldn't I as a bodybag manufacturer be able to cash in also? With our troops caught in the middle of a civil war, I can finally purchase that 30 foot inground pool. Would you begrudge me and my family this bauble? Please support that our troops stay in Iraq...........forever!!!!!
October 17th, 2005 at 3:40 pmMy son called from college one afternoon recently. He and his class had just watched part of the documentary “Why We Fight†(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0436971/plotsummary), and he was all jazzed about it, so we had a discussion which ended on a very pessimistic note, unfortunately. We talked about the financial need for war; it is part of the whole U.S. financial equation and countries like the U.S. simply view peace as unprofitable. We talked about the reality -- neither Republican nor Democrat leaders (political and financial) will ever honor any request from the general population to eradicate war because the handful of powerful people who make policy all profit from war. We discussed the unlikelihood of a third world war, because even countries like China, India, and Russia (which are viewed as potential enemies) cooperate with the whole world economy paradigm and would see a world war as so disruptive to commercial channels and progress that their financial leaders and captains of industry will effectively stop a war that interrupts those financial channels. We talked about the importance of oil, which keeps low grade, profitable war constantly in progress somewhere around the world. The importance of oil cannot be understated, because it feeds the military industrial complex which is so profitable on so many levels for so many politicians and financial leaders. We talked about the unknown people who are presently reaping the profits from high gas prices and war. We believe they are setting themselves and their children up to survive the coming collapse of the life we all take for granted when oil does run out, as it will because it’s only a question of time. And we talked about the end of oil, and why it is so important to the people who profit from oil sales, and the war machine, that the general public is kept lulled into a false sense of security about the end of cheap and available oil. The American people would react to the possibility of oil rations with great unrest and unhappiness, and not just the American economy, but the world economy, would become very unstable. We talked about how these people simply do not care about the ordinary people like you and me, nor the immense struggle we will face probably sooner than later when life as we know it ceases as a result of unavailable oil (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/7203633?rnd=1127961346673&has-player=true and
October 17th, 2005 at 3:41 pmhttp://www.truthout.org/issues_05/092805EB.shtml), and we will be reduced to living in very insular and isolated communities where a persons skills and talents will be the only thing keeping them welcome in that community.
It is incredibly depressing that Americans simply don’t have the guts, the will, the resolve, the determination, the vision to change their fate. I believe only the present day “leaders†know what the future really holds, and they are actively preparing for it. They know what they have to do to survive, and help their children survive. They are doing it right under the noses of the American people -- grasping for the few remaining natural resources, socking away huge amounts of money, preparing for that isolated utopia where they will fly to when everything comes crashing down. Only a relative handful of people will prosper in the future if Americans don’t step up NOW and change the path they are on. If Americans cannot be persuaded to take to the streets en masse (national days of strike) to demand that their political and financial leaders share the vanishing resources and take steps to promote policies which will spare the oil (peace is a good one) and invest in real R&D for renewable energy sources, then they absolutely deserve the future they get, which as Thomas Hobbs described, will be “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and shortâ€.
Rush is anti-troops, pro-war
Ed is anti-war, very pro-troops
Only a moron couldn't see that.
October 17th, 2005 at 3:42 pmWhat are they afraid of ....the truth! Don't let this go! This is outragous! AFR is the voice of Americans sent to Americans based all over the world! I'm ashamed!!!
October 17th, 2005 at 3:45 pmFunny how the righties who say there should be absolutely no criticism of the commander and chief wasted no opportunity to bash Clinton during the '90s.
October 17th, 2005 at 3:52 pmBlatant Censorship
Who controls what you listen to? Of course, the silver lining in all of this is that "they" must feel threatened somehow (by open discussion of ideas?).... Armed Forces Radio (AFR) is a station that is broadcast to American troops...
October 17th, 2005 at 3:53 pmEd Schultz nixed from Armed Forces Radio
The Ed Schultz Show was scheduled to begin airing an hour a day on Armed Forces Radio. However, this morning...
October 17th, 2005 at 4:00 pmI don't suppose we have an e-mail address for Ms. Barber? Maybe we should bomb her with our thoughts on the subject or atleast shutdown her server.
October 17th, 2005 at 4:04 pmschultz is no liberal, CERTAINLY-FER GODDAM-SURE he is no 'progressive.'
what ed schultz demonstrates is exactly how lame and irrelevant the so-called 'left' is when it is neither liberal nor progressive...he's a meliorist, a centrist shitheel...he doesn't really want the busheviks gone; he just wants 'em to play fair by the rules...
October 17th, 2005 at 4:04 pmWhat a bummer. The soldiers won't be able to hear Ed drool over the racist Minuteman project people he promotes on his show.
I'm amazed that he has as big an audience of progressives as he has.
October 17th, 2005 at 4:06 pmRush Limbaugh is a documented liar and propagandist.
http://mediamatters.org/archives/search.html?topic=Rush%20Limbaugh
This is a man who deceives the nation on a grand scale daily. Though an overt coward himself, refusing to face even a discouraging word on his radio program,, he promotes NEEDLESS wars, optional wars. Using tax dollars to help Mr. Butt Cyst turn our military into another faction of this right wing cult controlling our nation is a crime.
October 17th, 2005 at 4:06 pmGreat minds think alike, K.
October 17th, 2005 at 4:09 pmWho cares about whether progressive radio will reach the troops! Military people have no brains . . . theirs "is not to reason why"! Their own credo takes pride in being mindless. They're the armed wing of the Republican party, anyhow!
Dan in Baltimore
October 17th, 2005 at 4:14 pmFunny how the Pentagon thinks its okay to have a junkie (Rush) on their radio.
I thought the armed forces were against drugs.
October 17th, 2005 at 4:19 pmDan,
The next time you post some crap like that, remember to thank a soldier for your freedom. It just amazes me the level of hatred here. No ideas, just plain hatred. Our brave men and women voluntarily sign up to protect this great nation and deserve our respect and support. You didn't hear this sort of critism from the right when Clinton was bombing Bosnia.
October 17th, 2005 at 4:22 pmI know at least one soldier currently in Iraq who would love to listen to Ed Schultz. And he's a Ranger in the 101st airborne division.
October 17th, 2005 at 4:24 pm"The next time you post some crap like that, remember to thank a soldier for your freedom. It just amazes me the level of hatred here. Our brave men and women voluntarily sign up to protect this great nation and deserve our respect and support."
Me to, republicans come here full of hatred and accusations that are not only unfounded, they're treasonous! You guys won't send enough men or materials to support the troops, you fabricate a war based on fabricated evidence, you DRAFT members of the national guard into serving in a foreign war, you stop-loss soldiers and BREAK YOUR LEGAL AGREEMENT with them - and you have the balls to accuse others of not supporting the troops? Not only are you a traitor to the troops - you and ALL republicans are traitors to america!
"You didn’t hear this sort of critism from the right when Clinton was bombing Bosnia"
Bosnia? How interesting you say bosnia, and not mention Kosovo. You guys have such short memories and such jackass statements!
"But before we get deeper embroiled into this Balkan quagmire...President Clinton has never explained to the American people why he was involving the U.S. military in a civil war in a sovereign nation, other than to say it is for humanitarian reasons, a new military/foreign policy precedent...Was it worth it to stay in Vietnam to save face?"
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
Senator Judd Gregg (R-NH): “I don’t believe that a ground war in Kosovo using American troops is going to be very successful.†[NBC, “Meet the Press,†4/18/99]
Representative Randy “Duke†Cunningham (R-CA): “This is the most inept foreign policy in the history of the United States.â€
April 5, 1999 -- USA Today quoted Senator Richard Shelby (R AL), as saying, “Obviously, we are not winning the war.
Many further GOP quotes are available at http://www.democrats.org/pdfs/gop_kosovo.pdf
October 17th, 2005 at 4:29 pmAddendum to #60: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051015/ap_on_bi_ge/spain_chavez_oil;_ylt=Al9TSk2cyqDAd.ZtHM.JmaGs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b2NibDltBHNlYwM3MTY-
Why are we all supporting an enterprise that is going to make life so much more difficult for us and our children?? When so much of our lifestyles depends on the easy availability of petroleum products, is war, particularly a war of choice, making us free when war depends so greatly on the availability of cheap oil??
October 17th, 2005 at 4:36 pmRyan @ 4:29-
Not only does he have amnesia, he apparently can't read, either. Or. more likely, as a good right wing stooge, he only reads what conforms to his deluded worldview. IOKIYAR
October 17th, 2005 at 4:37 pmSchultz makes it clear that his argument is with the administration, not the troops, not the country. When I went to the trackback from the moderate voice they had a very long interview with schultz linked to their post. Super long and you can see exactly where he stands. Maybe they didn't like what he said in that interview but it's hard to believe he said anything in that that he hasn't already in the air. But in it he says Bush has been the worst president ever. Maybe that set them off.
October 17th, 2005 at 4:39 pmDo you guys actually listen to Schultz's show? It's a joke. His coverage of issues rarely goes beyond the "hey, what's the deal with this?" level...he sounds like he just skims the political blogs for fifteen minutes before each show. And of course the show is mostly call-ins, and he makes sure to (politely but briskly) hang up on anyone who tries to engage him in substantive dialogue, so there's no need for him to actually know anything about what he's talking about. And he spends probably a quarter of every hour on shameless self-promotion and bragging about his numbers and the prominent guests he has coming up. Not to mention the fact that he sounds drunk most of the time. In other words, he's no worse than your run-of-the-mill radio hack, but that's pretty much all he is.
I like the concept of a liberal talk-show host who can connect with working-class and rural audiences, but damn, can't we find anyone better than this guy? The only thing he really has going for him is his eerie vocal similarity to Rush Limbaugh. If they have any liberal on Armed Forces Radio, it should be Randi Rhodes, who's at least served in the military.
October 17th, 2005 at 4:43 pm"I would not support liberal biased propoganda on my armed forces radio, especially since it weakens resolve by criticising our leaders. Our troops need moral lifted, not sunk. Rush supports our troops. Schultz supports us being taken over by Islam, obviously." Comment by David Patterson
October 17th, 2005 at 4:51 pmIf not sarcasm, Patterson proves he is an unAmerican Stoge of Bush...SOB for short.
Limbaugh out there lyin' his drug crazed ass off to the troops is unAmerican. People dumb enough to fall for the Big Lies are unAmerican.
If YOU haven't already contacted your Sentators & representatives...SHAME ON YOU. Do it now!
As a Vet I am disgusted at this latest assault on our freedoms
“Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita, was out of the country and couldn’t approve itâ€
What? They don't have phones, faxes, e-mail, etc...
October 17th, 2005 at 4:51 pmWhat a farce!
"Do you guys actually listen to Schultz’s show? It’s a joke. His coverage of issues rarely goes beyond the “hey, what’s the deal with this?†level…
Not to mention the fact that he sounds drunk most of the time. In other words, he’s no worse than your run-of-the-mill radio hack, but that’s pretty much all he is."
Sounds like limbaugh without all of the made up bits and alcohol instead of oxycottonhead. Why not this guy, having two stupid schmucks battling each other might cause people to stop listening to smear radio and thinking for themselves!
October 17th, 2005 at 4:53 pmwhere does Rush Limberger get off criticizing Cindy Sheehan when HE is a self-aggrandizing attention (and food) hog? I think Rush should be Oxy-cuted... that means taken off Oxycontin cold turkey... then he'll get to enjoy the withdrawl that so many liberal drug addicts do...
October 17th, 2005 at 4:54 pmThis administration is filled with children who pout and scream and take the ball away whenever things don't go their way.
"The adults are in charge of the White House now.".
Bullshit...
October 17th, 2005 at 4:59 pm[...] I called the Pentagon this afternoon to get an explanation for why Ed Schultz’s debut on Armed Forces Radio was canceled. I eventually got a call back from Bryan Whitman, the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs. Mr. Whitman repeatedly told me that there was “no decision made with respect to expanding the programming.” [...]
October 17th, 2005 at 5:04 pmPatterson, you're freakin' idiot!!!
October 17th, 2005 at 5:08 pmIt's American Forces Radio - not "Armed" - I'm a listener stationed in South Korea. Here's the link to all our radio and television schedules. The worst part is listening to the commercials produced by the government in between programming! My mute button is worn!
October 17th, 2005 at 5:14 pm“Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita, was out of the country and couldn’t approve it..
All the Military Passenger Pidgeons unexpectedly died from Avian Flu and no-one in the military heirarchy ever trusted telephones or e-mail?
Inane blatherings make my mind hurt. I wish they would stop.
October 17th, 2005 at 5:16 pmWith the current state of the union, nothing surprises me!
I like Big Eddie. I think he's the ultimate anti-Limbaugh and deserves to be heard by those who are risking their lives daily in Iraq to protect our "freedom". What a Joke!
I agree with you Bob. This is the 21st Century. People can communicate quickly via fax, email, etc. This administration and all of its cronies are liars!
October 17th, 2005 at 5:19 pmSo who do we contact at DoD to get Schultz on the air?
October 17th, 2005 at 5:20 pmSomebody get rid of the trolls. Hey Screwed, any retort to Ryan?
October 17th, 2005 at 5:22 pmDan from Baltimore, you should be ashamed of your blatant bigotry.
I am saddened and sickened by the obvious anti-troop prejudice demonstrated by self-proclaimed liberals and Republicans alike. Dan in Baltimore is the worst offender, regardless of his political affiliation. This type of name-calling and hate-mongering is the worst of ALL sides, and the reason it is nearly impossible to have productive/meaningful debates about war, taxes, media, electoral politics, religion, etc.
I am a disabled veteran, my husband is currently serving in Afghanistan, and we are both lifelong liberal Democrats. The men and women we have served with in the military are by and large the finest human beings I have known, even when we passionately disagree on politics. When you make a damning statement such as "military people have no brains" you reveal your own bigotry and pampered entitlement, which is just as hateful as comments by Rush and his ilk about liberals.
My husband is working directly with Afghan nationals, building a hospital and several schools. Yes, our missions are complex and not always well-planned or executed by the brass and suits in D.C. But the soldiers and Marines on the ground are doing their jobs to the best of their abilities and LOVE to hear from home. They THIRST for news from home, particularly about how the public and politicians are talking about their missions. Criticism and concerns about the war and the administration not only gives them insight, it allows them to discuss their own views with each other. Believe me - most of them were disgusted by the illegal actions at Abu Ghraib. They are all furious about the current administrations continuing cuts to services for veterans. And - as several other posters have mentioned - MANY, at home and abroad, are infuriated at the incompetence and complete lack of support they are seeing from the administration. Yet they continue to do their jobs to the best of their ability. And for that they deserve are support - not just in words, in deeds.
Tell the truth, invite discussion and debate, demand political and financial support to military veterans and their family members. Go to "Operation Truth" and other progressive veteran sites.
You don't have to agree with the mission to respect the troops. We don't expect all Americans to think the same way - freedom of expression is why we believe in this country. In the paraphrased words of Thomas Paine: I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will passionately defend your right to say it.
October 17th, 2005 at 5:23 pmYou may
This is not at all suprising. The Bush regime has taken control of our airwaves, news etc... This will not stop until a majority of Americans stand up and shout "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!" Censorship is wrong, but people have to be willing to take a stand and do something about it. Sitting at your computer and writing your comments is not enough.
October 17th, 2005 at 5:27 pmWe can't always go to war with the radio we want. Sometimes we must go with the radio that Rumsfeld allows.
October 17th, 2005 at 5:28 pmHello;
I read all this stuff with interest.
Personally I think Ed Schutz does his share or inane
blathering too.
He seems to promote Democrat politicians, and I ask
you what is the difference between Republican and
Democrat politicians. If you take away the issue
of special rights for homosexuals both parties are
the same...Just look at their stock portfolios
I personally think there are more queer Republicans
October 17th, 2005 at 5:31 pmthan Democrats, but this little minority-thats gained
majority status via the media-has cleverly used the
Democratic party to further their agenda to the net
detriment of that party.
The reason why conservatives (who are only roughly 20% of the population) don't want opposing views is because they know their views could never win a fair fight.
If all sides (the Far left), progressives, liberals, moderates, and conservatives (NOTICE 5 different philosophies) had a fair fight, conservatives would be left out in the cold.
But conservatives can only thrive with disinformation, media propaganda, and in a 2 party system, miscasting the other party as something untenable so that the apathetic voter chooses them solely because they are not "They."
October 17th, 2005 at 5:37 pmI dont care what happens to Itaq. If its bad it is due to Bush. I dont care if we lose the war tho I cant imagine what winning the war means. It is more important to get rid of the Bush dynasty than to win the war. It is most important to bring the troops home today.
I can hardly keep from thinking that altho Sadam was an asshole the Iraqi people were better off under him by being alive. The dead and wounded Iraqui in effect were murdered by Americans under a barrage of lies. Why is George Bush still president.
I will not support an American Theocracy. It's worth Civil War 2.
October 17th, 2005 at 5:53 pmIf the cons can't control the airwaves then they lose... Their arguments are tired and can't survive the spotlight. Keep telling the truth and keep talking to your friends, family, and neighbors. We can get our country back again. This blot on our nation will too pass....
October 17th, 2005 at 5:55 pmProgressive radio is scaring the crap out of neo-cons. I listen to Air America archives every day.
October 17th, 2005 at 6:12 pmAnn in post #60,
You have spoken the hard truths here and I agree with you that the vast majority of Americans DO NOT want to deal with the peak oil problem and many have no idea how far-reaching the military industrial complex is. Not sure if you or your son have read "The Long Emergency" but you should be able to find it if you Google it. Great article. Also see:
http://www.energybulletin.net/
This website is a true eye opener.
October 17th, 2005 at 6:19 pmWhere are the trolls?
October 17th, 2005 at 6:26 pmI am not a chicken hawk.
October 17th, 2005 at 6:29 pmAll you filthy hippies and peaceniks and flower children are commies and traitors. You smell of patchouli and brown rice and I want to smash you in the head with a pool cue so we can bring peace and democracy to the world.
October 17th, 2005 at 6:33 pmIf the resolve and morale of the troops can be impaired by exposure to an opposing viewpoint then, perhaps, those who've died have really did die for a lie. I used hear the same justifications when pounding the ground in Viet Nam. From a purely personal point of view I only hear this "protect the troops ears from discouraging words" anthem from the same ilk that mocked my purple heart at their convention, from the same ilk that contols the flow of body armor, the same ilk that cuts funding to the Veterans Administration, the same ilk that never sends their sons and daughters to die for George Bush's "noble cause".
October 17th, 2005 at 6:41 pm#103
Wait "til you get a load of me. I will block your pool cue, disarm you of it and shoove it up your a$$. I am what is known as a NeoLib. I am highly trained, I don't hug trees and I back the second ammendment (along with the rest). We are not all peaceniks that wear berkinstocks (sp).
Some of us would not bat an eye to beat the crap outta you.
Bring it on!
Mission accomplished.
Have you served in the military yet?
October 17th, 2005 at 6:42 pm"All you filthy hippies and peaceniks and flower children ablah blah blah"
no more southpark for you, find some original thoughts that dont include "commies"
jive turkey
October 17th, 2005 at 6:43 pmneo lib eh, not sure 'bout the name but i agree,
October 17th, 2005 at 6:47 pmno one expects a well armed liberal with training and 1000 rounds of bulk .223
Which Bushite was it who boasted that they are constructing their own reality? Sooner or later, they get to believe this and then have to have it reinforced. If this means producing propaganda in the guise of 'news', so be it. If it means censoring information (Iraq), so be it. If it means coaching soldiers for an interview with the President, so be it. If their world view does not match actuality, so be it.
Goebbels knew all about the techniques. Rove understands them well.
Something drastic needs to happen as a circuit breaker. The deteriorating situation in Iraq has not been sufficient. Katrina has not been sufficient. While these things are having a cumulative effect, they have not done the trick.
One can only hope that a gentleman called Fitzgerald becomes the element that brings undone the world construct of the Bush administration, preferably before it is too late.
October 17th, 2005 at 6:47 pmUsing your logic, then it is possible to support the President and not the troops. See how stupid that sounds? You either support the effort of our President and the troops or you don’t. How can you possibly support the troops when you don’t support their mission?
Comment by Liberals Have Screwed Up This Country — October 17, 2005 @ 3:21 pm
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The troops don't have a choice in 'their mission' you idiot!
chimpy DID have a choice when it came to sending them.
see the difference? They're doing their jobs, they HAVE to. We support them because they're putting their lives on the line... we don't support the REASON they're putting their lives on the line.
because there ISN'T a reason for them to do that.
October 17th, 2005 at 6:49 pmAs a 14 year veteran I'm offended by the lack of equal time the military gives to progressive viewpoints. You can contact the Armed Forces Radio plans and policies office at:
afrtpln@hq.afis.osd.mil
I got it off their web-site
October 17th, 2005 at 7:03 pmIs it supporting troops to dress up a civilian in military garb and pretend she is a soldier. I am. as a veteran, offended. Bush pretended to be a soldier so he has no sense of the indecency of the deception. Daniel Braton
October 17th, 2005 at 7:07 pmOfficially the Ed Schultz Show will be aired starting the 32nd of Lotember.
October 17th, 2005 at 7:37 pm"The next time you post some crap like that, remember to thank a soldier for your freedom. "
There are very few soldiers left alive that fought for my freedom. The last war for American freedom ended when the Japanese surrendered. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq I, Iraq II, Bosnia, these were all for something other than our freedom. If you think otherwise you are a dupe of those who profit from war.
October 17th, 2005 at 7:42 pm- The following is an EXCELLENT example of why Dems keep LOSING elections!!!! #98 - "It is more important to get rid of the Bush dynasty than to win the war. It is most important to bring the troops home today.
I can hardly keep from thinking that altho Sadam was an asshole the Iraqi people were better off under him by being alive. The dead and wounded Iraqui in effect were murdered by Americans under a barrage of lies. Why is George Bush still president.
Comment by Arthur Waugh — October 17, 2005 @ 5:53 pm
It is SO clear - the majority of American voters believe that the Dems are WEAK when it comes to national security - and with all the Arthurs, Susans, Sponges, Maries, Sharon, Cindys, Kates and PPs - it's no wonder!! There are several in this infamous group that would sleep with the enemy if they thought they would live throught the night - I am so thankful we don't depend on the LIKES OF YOU!! Mr. Aphrodite and I appreciate the wonderful job our military is doing in Iraq, Afghanistan and around the world!!!
October 17th, 2005 at 7:43 pmDear Mr. GArdner - Thank you for showing that the libs are not as sensitive and loving as they would like us to think. "I have my freedom - you get yours!!!
October 17th, 2005 at 7:45 pmActually, I fought for your freedom bitch.
Define who the enemy is. I dare you. And don't say the "terrists." Explain who you think these "terrists" are.
October 17th, 2005 at 7:47 pmHippie Killer #103,
I think you have the anti-Bush crowd confused with another group of people. I'm with Spudge_boy and goodDr, ready to fight the likes of you with bare fists or otherwise. I'm so tired of you big-mouthed chickenhawk rightwing cowards, always willing to support the war but never willing to fight in it. If you all like to fight so much, put your money where your mouth is. Or do you have other priorities like your full of shi* president and his the guy that really run the country, Dicky "deferment" Cheney?
Time for a new party? The Fighting Progressives. Crushing the chickenhawks like the frauds that they are.
October 17th, 2005 at 7:52 pmCome on bitch. Define who the enemy is.
"I am so thankful we don’t depend on the LIKES OF YOU!!"
You already have depended on me and a lot more democrats you stupid piece of sh!t. It is already well documented that it is the democratss that fight for our freedom while fvck heads like you sit back and start illegal wars.
October 17th, 2005 at 7:53 pmLiberal Talk Show Abruptly Pulled from Armed Force Radio
Is it merely censorship, or retaliation for unveiling Bush's scripted Iraq videoconference last week?
October 17th, 2005 at 7:55 pmaphrodite, you're another clown. Make a point or move on, you're act is tired and you have no shame.
October 17th, 2005 at 7:56 pm39 innocent Iraqi civilians killed in bombing today. Those 39 have about 500 or more relatives who are now mortal enemies of the U.S. not to mention the next few generations. Good work, NOW I feel FREE.. wheeeee!
October 17th, 2005 at 7:56 pmFreedom isn't free, but a Tomahawk Missile goes for about $1.2 million.
Spudge, thanks for calling out the cowardly, loudmouth chickenhawks. If they still stand on the side of the R's at this point, with all the evidence piled up, they have to be destroyed. It's the only way. If I meet one of these wingnuts, from here on out, I get in their faces for being ignorant, greedy or stupid.
October 17th, 2005 at 8:00 pmJay,
I swore an oath when I joined the US Army. That oath was to protect the United States from enemies inside and outside of the US. As far as I can tell, these NeoCons are enemies on the inside of the US. Much like the 9/11 Saudis.
October 17th, 2005 at 8:03 pm[...] Source: Think Progress [...]
October 17th, 2005 at 8:09 pmBeing in the Armed Forces myself and being stationed overseas, I think that I should be allowed to hear some liberal thought on the only local English speaking radio station in the area. Even if they only play it in the wee hours of the morning to get the minimum amount of listenership possible. I am SO SICK of having to deal with Rush as the only "talk radio" on the airwaves. I thank my lucky stars that I have access to internet radio at work.
October 17th, 2005 at 8:10 pmMighty Windbag,
Who is it clear that americans disagree with? Witches like you should stick to making stew in your cauldrons, because clearly your prophetic powers are all in your head. Last survey said 65% of americans STRONGLY disagree with you. And in fact there's an 11% of those who believe the democrats should control congress, versus those who believe republicans should.
If your delusional comments were true, the american public would be saying the opposite of what they are. Just like you flatlanders believe the world isn't round, you delusionally believe america agrees with you. In your own mind, and in your own circle jerk of fat stupid white men - that's probably all you hear. In the real world, you're sinking like the stone in the river!
Bye bye loser bimbo!
October 17th, 2005 at 8:10 pm"Mr. Aphrodite and I appreciate the wonderful job our military is doing in Iraq, Afghanistan and around the world!!!
Comment by mighty aphrodite "
You know, if your party weren't so irresponsible and would actually send both the men and equipment needed - particularly in Afghanistan - your claim might actually be believed. What is clear is that you don't support the military as much as you support their destruction at the hands of incompetent leadership. Otherwise you wouldn't send them on irresponsible duties to fight illegitimate wars. Instead you'd actually HONOR THEM, by using them in useful and noble causes other than Oil wells.
Clearly your delusion runs deep, and you and your gay boyfriend should really just count your lucky stars that the military men and women don't come and shoot you for your acts of treason against them!
October 17th, 2005 at 8:13 pmThe hypocrisy of this crowd is enough to make your stomach turn. They are small, cowardly humans. This movement has gained steam because the truth that so many of us that post here at TP have known for a very long time, has started to seep into the mainstream. It's been a long time coming, and even with all the walls crumbling around the GOP and the Bush admin, we have only scratched the surface of their deep sea of crime. They have no idea how ready many of us are to fight, patriotically for the truth and against their lies and their phony war. Spudge, thanks you. Thank you for serving and thank you for having the courage to stand up and call it what it is. These douc%$bags are going down, once and for all. Keep fighting man.
October 17th, 2005 at 8:15 pmAnd if anyone wonders how we know MrAphrodite is gay, it's because he/she is one and the same person as MrWrong... A closeted drag queen with a bizarre sense of immorality!
Come on sister, come out of the closet and stop being such a hater! You know you want to - don't worry, we'll love you once you stop hating and being such a self righteous bitch! We all know you only do that because you hate yourself - and if you stopped being such a repressed gay man - you wouldn't hate so much.
October 17th, 2005 at 8:16 pm...can't approve it because Larry DiRita is out of the country? Doesn't he have email, phone or fax machine?? What a lame excuse. Why not say he's busy washing his hair. I guess the Bushies want to make certain that the armed forces continue to be brained washed. After all, recruiting is at all time lows - they need people to re-up.
October 17th, 2005 at 8:19 pm#102 - We work harder than you do!
October 17th, 2005 at 8:20 pmIt's been GREAT to hear from so many enlisted people here today, on this thread. They all seem to respectfully want the same thing: a choice on the radio. Doesn't seem like much to ask of the DoD...does it? I mean isn't democracy about choices? Shouldn't the soldiers have a say? Can they vote on it?
October 17th, 2005 at 8:22 pmJust one more bit of evidence that bush is leading us into a fascist state, There is no glory in a illegal and immoral war,and the torture of prisoners,To provide Officers in the US Military with answers to questions asked by the President of the US is a act of treason, by Military Law.To censor what the Military reads and hears is a precursor to a military state, They can listen to a Russ Limbaugh, a known drug addict, but not to dissenting voices against the war, you do the math guys and thats where we are.
October 17th, 2005 at 8:24 pm#117 - DearSponge - You probably learned your dirty mouth in boot camp, right?? "Actually, I fought for your freedom bitch.
Define who the enemy is. I dare you. And don’t say the “terrists.†Explain who you think these “terrists†are.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — October 17, 2005 @ 7:47 pm"
AND I fought for YOUR freedom, as did my husband, Mr. Aphrodite. Thank you to you - and you're welcome from us!!! My definition of terrorists are people who have been at war with us since the early 70's. They are RADICAL Islamofascists and I wish them dead!! Have a good evening!!!
"Come on sister, come out of the closet and stop being such a hater!" - Tiny Putz
October 17th, 2005 at 8:32 pmFacist fighting begins at home. Start with the Bush administration first and then we'll deal with the Islamic branch later.
October 17th, 2005 at 8:37 pmRebuilding and Rewriting
Big laptop meltdown today. Slowly recovering. Enjoy a few select quotes from the blogs. We'll be back in fine shape tomorrow.
October 17th, 2005 at 8:38 pm"Come on sister, come out of the closet and stop being such a hater!†- Tiny Putz
October 17th, 2005 at 8:38 pmStop being such a closet queen!!!We've all heard there was no room in the closet with you in there. You'll think (with your typical nrcissism) that I am comparing you to Jesus with "no room at the end" - but you know better.
Anybody who says that bush cares about the troops only need to remember how he lied to both the troops and the american people.. he uses the military as pawns in his little right wing game.. Its shameless and completely treasonous.. he should be impeached
October 17th, 2005 at 8:39 pm#134 - Dee, are you as ignorant as you sound - oh, you are....sorry!!!
October 17th, 2005 at 8:40 pmEd Schultz needs to be on American Forces Radio. If they can find a spot for "Hints from Heloise" they can certainly find a spot for Ed. Maybe a massive e-mail to American Forces Radio would show the powers that be that we're paying attention. The e-mail I used was:
October 17th, 2005 at 8:49 pmafrtpln@hq.afis.osd.mil
It's NOT Ed Schultz who supports the taking over of the USA by Islam....... It's ME!! My good friend, Osama has promised me 80 Oxycontin per day if I through in with him and his merry band of murderers, well..... You know me! To me Oxy is more important than my hearing, more important than this country! Besides, Ed Schultz is on record actually doing things to save the lives of our soldiers, me..... I just support bush's lies that get our troops killed.
Remember, what old Rushbo says, "Allah Akbar!"
October 17th, 2005 at 8:56 pmIf a radical right wing druggie like Rush Limbaugh is good enough for Armed Forces radio....then certainly Ed Schultz should be given his due.
October 17th, 2005 at 8:57 pm"My definition of terrorists are people who have been at war with us since the early 70’s. They are RADICAL Islamofascists and I wish them dead!!"
Wasn't it those communists that we needed to exterminate back then? IIRC, we lost 58,000 Americans in that fiasco, the one our AWOL pResident avoided and the VP-War Profiteering Cheney missed due to other priorities. Too bad, maybe if they had answered their country's call then, they'd have passed on this elective war.
Why do you support these treasonous bastards and put the Republican Party before country, MA? Are you simply anti-social or is it the requirement of pay-per-post politics?
October 17th, 2005 at 9:01 pmyeah, Rush Limbaugh supports our troops --- supports them continuing to get their asses blown to bits, while he sits safely behind a microphone bloviating and popping oxycontins.
October 17th, 2005 at 9:11 pm''CON''SERVATIVES WON'T TOLERATE THE 'FACTS' & CAN'T HANDLE THE 'TRUTH' ! ! ! !
October 17th, 2005 at 9:17 pmHmmmmmmmm.... the mere mention of chickenhawks always reminds me of my favorite newspaper, the New Hampshire Gazette, published in Portsmouth, NH. From their front page:
"Founded in 1756, The New Hampshire Gazette is The Nation's Oldest Newspaperâ„¢, combining independent thought with a commitment to freedom of the press and featuring the popular Republican Chickenhawks Database.
The Gazette is proud to be an alternative news source for America and anyone else who cares to read."
You can find them at http://www.nhgazette.com
And no, I'm not related to the Fowles, and I have no financial interest in the New Hampshire Gazette....
Oh yeah, their definition: "Chickenhawk n. A person enthusiastic about war, provided someone else fights it; particularly when that enthusiasm is undimmed by personal experience with war; most emphatically when that lack of experience came in spite of ample opportunity in that person’s youth."
And that reminds me of this, which I'm sure most of you have already seen. I posted it on Military.com.... wonder if there are any stooge responses yet... it's on internet only, October 12, 2005:
"The Young Chickenhawks", by Clarisse Profilet.
It starts this way:
"The cheeky website buzzflash.com recently posted a petition calling for Jenna and Barbara Bush to serve in Iraq. But the famously private Bush twins have never disclosed their views on the war; they may even be opposed. So calling for them to serve might not be fair. But there are young and prominent Bush-backers who deserve to be targets of such a petition: The assorted leaders of the College Republicans and Young Americans for Freedom (YAF) are cheerleaders for a war they are unwilling to fight."
It's spot-on and it's on http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051031/the_young_chickenhawks
Bill The FAHMA in Michigan
October 17th, 2005 at 9:20 pmPS: military.com is a pretty good site, even though it's owned by monster.com and is a commercial site. Just a few more right-wingers than liberals or moderates, but lot's of fun!
Personally I wouldn't want to do a show on a station that is run by the government. I would lose all of my credibilty.
October 17th, 2005 at 9:45 pmI am sure that our friends on the right will never let a Lefty Like Schultz on AFN!!!
i love the Ed Schult Show. I listen to it all the time. I am a retired soldier and he is great for AFN
RAY
October 17th, 2005 at 9:59 pmWhy should Armed Forces Radio carry a pill-popping junkie like Rush anyway, and deny a good ol' boy from the heartland the chance to talk to the troops?
After all it is the Republicans who cut veterans' benefits and health care, and it is the lefties who fight to restore those benefits. And it is the Republicans who put our troops in unnecessary danger in an unnecessary war, and it was the Democrats and we liberals who supported our troops by arguing that the war was built on lies and that we are abusing our military by putting them in there in the first place.
I think supporting our troops means using them when necessary.
BTW, you'll notice the people most gung ho for this war never served in the miltary, and don't give me Bush's so-called "service" flying obsolete aircraft to stay out of Vietnam. I served way more than Bush ever did, and if I had pulled that AWOL stunt that he did, I would have ended up in a military prison.
Real Americans and real patriots honor our troops and our freedoms by cherishing our democratic institutions, such as freedom of speech. Obviously Bush and friends have no idea what any of that would mean. They are afraid of a real exchange of ideas. They would much rather feed the American people, including the troops, propaganda from a drug addict.
October 17th, 2005 at 10:05 pmMr. Aphrodite and I appreciate the wonderful job our military is doing in Iraq, Afghanistan and around the world!!!
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 17, 2005 @ 7:43 pm
She even calls me Mr. Aphrodite. I am one hen-pecked, emasculated, pussy-whipped wussie. Can you imagine what it must be like being married to that bitch. Pity me. I am just such yellow bellied, tremendous coward. If you were in this marriage you would volunteer for suicide missions and extra hazardous duty. If I had any balls I would join al-Qaeda and become a suicide bomber to get away from that ugly shrew. Alas, I am just a panty wearing Republican house husband and I have to suffer the indignity of her strap-on.
October 17th, 2005 at 10:27 pmRummy is behind this one, do doubt. I shudder everytime I think of him. AFN is the only news on cable for many of the men and women who live on military bases. I cry for my children who serve. I thought they would finally have a choice for a change. Rummy has a g-- complex. I pray he will fall with the rext of the regime.
October 17th, 2005 at 10:34 pmAND I fought for YOUR freedom, as did my husband, Mr. Aphrodite.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — October 17, 2005 @ 8:32 pm
So did I! Right up until I changed sides and became a TRAITOR!
P.S. 30,000 hours playing SOCOM on your X-box doesn't count.
October 17th, 2005 at 10:36 pmJust one thing for us to figure out... Hang them or stand them up againt a wall. Just one thing for Ms. Aphrodite to figure out, cuz she obviously wears the strap-on in that sad affair, blindfold or no blindfold
October 17th, 2005 at 10:46 pmRE: Post # 19 - I've been saying all along, GWB has some serious mental issues despite the fact that "God tells him what to do" (is that a mental issue??).
October 18th, 2005 at 12:14 amI just watched a PBS documentary about the Vietnam war...
and the protests at the University of Wisconsin. "Two Hours."
There were so many similarities to the present Iraq war, and so many times that the American people were told lies by our government. It makes me wonder if I can believe
October 18th, 2005 at 12:26 amanything I read or hear that comes from a government agency.
Ed-heads will roll
So Armed Forces Radio has backed out of its prior commitment to make the Ed Schultz show the only non-right wing broadcast to U.S. troops. Not surprising.
October 18th, 2005 at 12:53 amShutting down Big Eddie at the gate, will do more damage to the "Ministry of Truth" than putting him on the air.
When alternative viewpoints are suppressed, a government is on the way to implosion.
It would so appear, that our "Leaders" haven't got a clue what real freedom is all about.
As far as support for the boys & girls in the service, BRING THEM BACK HOME!!
They are being used by a corrupt government.
Bush needs to be called on the carpet,As well as all the other brown shirts in charge.
Remember the words of that great "Liberal" Theodore Roosevelt ...
"The President is merely the most important
among a large number of public servants. He
should be supported or opposed exactly to the
degree which is warranted by his good conduct
or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in
rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service
to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is
absolutely necessary that there should be full
liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this
means that it is exactly necessary to blame him
when he does wrong as to praise him when he
does right. Any other attitude in an American
citizen is both base and servile. To announce
that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or
wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is
morally treasonable to the American public.
Nothing but the truth should be spoken about
him or any one else. But it is even more
important to tell the truth, pleasant or
unpleasant, about him than about any one else."
"Theo. Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star"
October 18th, 2005 at 1:47 amMay 7, 1918
[...] But this morning at 6AM, the producer of the Ed Schultz show, James Holm, received a call from Pentagon communications aide Allison Barber. She told Holm that she was calling so early to let Schultz know his show would not begin airing on AFR today. You’ll remember Barber as the aide caught coaching troops before a photo-op with President Bush last week. [...]
October 18th, 2005 at 1:51 amDo you guys actually listen to Schultz’s show? It’s a joke. His coverage of issues rarely goes beyond the “hey, what’s the deal with this?â€
Two examples of why progressives should listen to someone else:
1. Back in August, Schultz fawned over a Minuteman Project bigot and endorsed their efforts.
2. On another show he bragged about how he had met Richard Perle the night before and had decided that he must be a closet liberal because he once worked for Sen. Scoop Jackson. When callers pointed out that the Late Senator from Boeing was a Vietnam hawk's hawk and the Joe Lieberman of his era--actually worse than Lieberman--he called the callers liars. He could not believe that Scoop was a conservative. Since Perle worked for Scoop, he must be OK.
The man is a fucking idiot and a DLC stooge--but that's redundant, isn't it.
October 18th, 2005 at 2:30 am[...] Then there was some funny regarding the freak caught prepping the soldiers in el Presidente’s impromptu videoconference with the soldiers. Ms. Barber decided that Armed Forces Radio really didn’t need the progressive voice that had long been promised. So, the troops will be forced to endure yet another relentlessly dull program from Rush Limbaugh without the popular and refreshing Ed Schultz Show as a smart counterpoint. Think Progress has the story. [...]
October 18th, 2005 at 2:35 amHow do we know this controversy isn't staged?
Here's the scenario:
Ed Schultz is growing his talk radio show. But many progressives don't like his style, seeing him as ill-informed, a wimpy moderate, maybe even a DLCer in disguise. He used to be a Republican who had one of those "Saul on the Road to Damascus" conversions. This happens a lot in talk radio, usually when a host sees a better career path taking the other side of the argument. Many on the left hate him because he bumps Randi Rhodes in some cities.
So, Schultz and his producers get on Armed Forces Radio, then get the premiere delayed to create a "controversy" and give their boy street cred with the left.
Schultz's show is owned by Randy Michaels, a former president of Clear Channel Radio and a man given to outrageous stunts in the past to promote his stations. Look up the words "Power Pig" for more on his style.
October 18th, 2005 at 3:09 amI'm a regular listener of AFN (American Forces Network). Depending on my available time, I tune in to listen to NPR news between noon and 2 PM (local time), and occasionally to Car Talk (because it's funny).
The first time I heard Limbaugh I thought it was a comic though rude take-off on talk radio. But I quickly realized that this guy was for real.
Ever since I've wondered. Although you need a decoder to receive AFN TV in Europe, AFN radio programs are broadcast on both FM and AM without decoder. I.e. anyone can listen in. Limbaugh's program is a disgrace and if AFN does function in someway as an ambassador or just a mirror of the US, I cannot help but wonder what non-US listeners make of it.
The Limbaugh program certainly is an insult to American values as it promotes diatribes instead of dialogue, and its invective name-calling and abusive rants certainly cannot promote a positive image of democratic values, such as a reasonable debate of the issues at hand.
Last but not least, I’m not surprised that Barber cancelled Schultz’s show. I don’t know said show, but ever since the Pentagon has been gutted, from Shinseki all the way down to nameless clerks, since foreign agents were able to set up shop (e.g. Feith) to organize a war in their master’s (non-American, but Middle Eastern) interests, and the good name of true patriots like Zinni has been libelously drawn through the mud in the process, what did anyone really expect? The powers that are won’t impeach; the powers that are are looking away at the theft of our nation; the powers that are won’t prosecute known moles; …
But finally, what else should we expect? We have a former cheerleader, gone AWOL, how much-will-ya-pay-me, as president and a bunch of dual citizens running a key department and more. (I’ve often wondered, if we’d replace the present dual citizens with say people having both Cuban and American citizenship, what the reaction of many would be.) May be when we wake up one day and realize that the foundations of our Republic are not Judeo-Christian, but Greco-Roman, someone will have the guts to drive the Pharisees out, and impeach and try all of those Judases who’ve sold out our Republic.
October 18th, 2005 at 3:33 amSomeone needs to be on the radio telling the truth like Ed does, Because you sure are not going to hear the truth from the drug addict Rush and EVERYONE knows they are all Liars, every day there's another REPUBLICAN offical somwhere in the US getting arrested,charged,indicted or convicted of some sort of crime,and it usually has to do with borrowing $$$$$$ as they see it or as the law sees it STEALING.
October 18th, 2005 at 6:01 amIt is Rush & Bush's followers shouting PRO WAR I don't see that as supporting our Military lets face it, Our Soldiers are dying based on lies made up by the republican leaders starting with BUSH.
"The best way to support our troops is to not start unnecessary wars. Many soldiers realize they’ve been betrayed, and I for one look forward to the day that a soldier punches Rush in the nose.
Comment by Raoul Paste — October 17, 2005 @ 2:16 pm"
Hey, I am a soldier and I would love to punch Rush in the face.
October 18th, 2005 at 6:50 amPerfect! I spent 20 years in the Marines and about 18 months in Southeast Asia so that this chickenhawk administration could sponsor Rush Limbaugh's propaganda while cutting off dissenting voices. By the way, I had the same kind of boil on my ass as Rush, but paid for surgery to correct it so I could enter the armed forces. I never, until this administration, felt like I lived in a fascist country, but aspects of our neo-con national policies are indistinguishable from a dictatorship with no commitment to the constitution or bill or rights. This gang is a disgrace and those who helped them gain and hold power should be deeply ashamed. Support the troops my ass! Is it supporting the troops to keep in power those who misuse them and lie to put them in harms way, then withold the things they need to protect themselves? Rush Limbaugh is a liar and has done more to harm this country than Al Qaeda.
October 18th, 2005 at 7:08 amVery interesting. Last night(10-17)on the Sundance Channel there was a special on the KURSK the downed Soviet sub. The Bush gang want to do exactly what the Russian leader has done in that country.....have complete control of the media.
October 18th, 2005 at 7:51 amEd Makes the Early Bird!
In today's edition of the DoD's Early Bird, listed as "a daily concise compilation of current published news articles and commentary concerning the most significant defense and defense-related national security issues", an article appears on this growing controversy. Howard Kurt'z article from today's Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/17/AR2005101701666.html) in listed in it's 'Defense Department' section (other stories in this area include recruiting, weapons cuts, and upcoming legislative priorities).
On their website (access restricted to DoD-associated personnel), the EB boasts the following mission statement:
The publications aim to represent how the public, Congress and the press see military and defense programs and issues. They are internal management tools intended to serve the informational needs of senior DoD officials in the continuing assessment of defense policies, programs and actions.
In this advanced information age, the EB still 'chugs along' to provide DoD members a concise review of stateside news. Stories are broken down by general or specific topics ('Top Stories', 'Iraq', 'Asia/Pacific') and, from time-to-time, includes eclectic news ('Guantanamo', 'War Protests/Rallies'). It does feature a daily 'Opinion' section and its tone is normally balanced (today's 'Opinion' section boasts columns from the WP, International Herald Tribune, NYT, LA Times, WSJ & USA Today).
After saying all of this, I cannot guarantee that there aren't specific agendas being acted upon (editors can 'cherry pick' articles from all across the country to suit their point-of-view); however, from my perspective I feel that this service and other DoD-related media/entertainment outlets (Stars & Stripes newspapers, American Forces Radio) do a fair job of being impartial and balanced to their military audiences. I hope Ed can take some measure of satisfaction of this topic being featured in this publication.
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#47
Why do you "have" to support both the presdiant and the troops?
I have little problem supporting the troops because they are not the ones who made the travesty we are witnessing and being forced to pay for.
I am sorry, I cannot support a president who purposefully put our kids in harm's way so he and his friends can make more money that they do not even need. These kids are there because they have few other opportunities. Thanks to this president, and all his administration and all Republicans because they are the ones running things, so they are responsible for this war and also the domestic lack of opportunity. They are in the process of making America into a serfdom, they HAVE made it into Serfland for all but a few, and you know it. What else are these kids supposed to do? No jobs with a livable wage, no opportunities for college, expenses sky high, and these greedy old rich men are so cheap they even want wounded soldiers to pay for their own hospital meals and account for equipment that got blown up when they were injured! How can anyone with even a black heart suppost this crap?
That these kids are doing what is ordered, is not their fault IMO. If as you think, they are risking literally an arm and leg for our so-called "freedon" then they have a right to have a choice as to whom they listen. They should not be forced to listen to lies because it is the only thing available.
Limbaugh lies, it is a known fact. You would rather our troops listen to lies and distortions and you actually believe lies will moralize them? You are an idiot if you think that right in front of their faces every day the Truth with a capitol "T" is not obvious every time they step foot outside of the Green Zone, they know already what is going on. While I am ready to die for Limbaugh's right to spew his crap, you are stupid if you think a chickenhawk is telling them anything they need to hear. The fact that you can sit here safe in your glass house shows your ignorance. Why don't you go there yourself, if you think everyone else should support the president, then maybe I could respect what you say. Limbaugh is like all chickenhawks who sit safe and have "anal cysts" while spouting crap such as that you cannot support troops without supporting this clueless pRe$ident.
I am glad there are people like Ed Shultz who stand up to wrong and are doing as our forebearers admonishes all Americans to do:
"... But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is THEIR RIGHT, IT IS THEIR DUTY, TO THROW OFF SUCH GOVERNMENT, AND TO PROVIDE NEW GUARDS FOR THEIR FUTURE SECURITY..." - The Declaration Of Independence, July 4, 1776(emphasis mine)
Thus according to our founders, Americans who stand up and tell this administration it is wrong and that they will not support wrongdoing, are being patriotic. Americans who blindly support a president when he is dead wrong, are not being American, they do not care about those kids and innocent citizens, they have no heart ~ like all conservative wingnuts who are so myopic they do not see the obvious. They are not standing alert and they are not being the patriots they are called to be, as Mr Shultz has done by speaking out. Period!
That AFR has decided not to air Shultz is a disgusting and unAmerican act. But then Bu$h and his administration are not even Americans anymore, they are multi-national corportocratists whose main interst is using these kids and killing innocent citizens in order to guard those oil wells for the enrichment of Bush, Cheney and friends. You are right to implicate that it does not bode well to a bunch of facists to acknowlege the truth, this is why Shultz is being barred. I for one am not a coporate whore and I will *never* support facism, or I could not call myself an American!
My 2 cents
Cat In Seattle
October 18th, 2005 at 9:50 am[...] Flag on the play! Talk about unwarranted retaliation (sounds familiar…), apparently the Pentagon doesn’t like getting caught and mocked for coaching it’s troops to play verbal patty cake with El Presidente, so they’re taking some payback by keeping Armed Forces Radio progressive free by axing Ed Schultz before he could start. Shame… [...]
October 18th, 2005 at 11:37 amdid anyone think it would happen. they will never allow the men that serve this country to hear a different view then that big mouth drugy has. Let them get their fill of the BS. When they get back home and see how they were used maybe the grand of party will get back to what it was before bush and the corporations that put him in the White House.
October 18th, 2005 at 12:46 pmRock on people, we have many young people in this country with an IQ and little money. Support them and clear Washington of the Lobbiest and their cronies. If the day ever comes when there are empty office building in and around DC, maybe we will have a government of and for the people.
"Wasn’t it those communists that we needed to exterminate back then?" - Ignorant Bystander
Communists have always needed extermination - they are like a deadly virus - but sometimes my sensitive side gets the best of me and I would offer them a one way ticket to those "workers paradises" Cuba or North Korea. Terrorists, on the other hand, having been poorly dealt with by the wimp Carter and the pre-occupied Clinton, need to be smashed and defeated. As for fighting for oil - God I hope so!! Susan,PP and Minnie Putz would look awfully funny riding a camel!! But maybe we could put their talents to use shoveling camel dung to keep the home fires burning this winter.
October 18th, 2005 at 1:12 pmI served my country in VietNam (in combat!!) and don't need Rush Limpbrain telling me I'm not a patriot because I want to see the US out of Iraq. That's the crap he's spreading to troops and my tax dollar is paying for it. When Armed Forces radio finally had the good sense to add some balance to their programming I almost bought into the military as a well-managed arm of the government. Now it's clear that this govenment and this administration is certainly NOT WORTH GIVING YOUR LIFE FOR. Freedom yes. Bushdom -- and Bushdumber, NEVER.
October 18th, 2005 at 3:24 pmEd Shultz radio show pulled from AFR before Starti
If the name Allison Barber sounds familiar, it may be because she was the Pentagon employee who was, you guessed it - coaching the troops before Shrub's conference call.
Now, it *could* be coincidence that the two events -- Shultz's comments on h...
October 18th, 2005 at 3:27 pm'Mighty',
I believe the largest loss of US life by terrorism prior to 9/11 occurred during Reagan's first term ('83 Beirut bombing--243 Marines killed). How preoccupied was he in retalliating against the terrorists? He attacked GRENADA!!!
October 18th, 2005 at 3:31 pmND Radio Host Denied Show on Military Radio
Why does the President hate North Dakota?
October 18th, 2005 at 3:45 pm[...] Think Progress: Armed Forces Radio (AFR) is a station that broadcasts to American troops overseas through “over 1,000 outlets in more than 175 countries.†It currently features an hour of programming by right-wing host Rush Limbaugh. There is no comparable progressive program. [...]
October 18th, 2005 at 5:22 pmFreedom means the right to hear both sides. If a person does not like Ed Schultz programming, they can listen to Rush. So let Ed be heard.
October 18th, 2005 at 6:01 pm"Communists have always needed extermination - they are like a deadly virus - but sometimes my sensitive side gets the best of me and I would offer them a one way ticket to those “workers paradises†Cuba or North Korea. "
Did your granny scare you with talk of commies, because clearly you have a child like irrational fear. Religious fascism like the sort you espouse is the latest plague!
"Terrorists, on the other hand, having been poorly dealt with by the wimp Carter and the pre-occupied Clinton, need to be smashed and defeated. As for fighting for oil - God I hope so!! Susan,PP and Minnie Putz would look awfully funny riding a camel!! But maybe we could put their talents to use shoveling camel dung to keep the home fires burning this winter.
Comment by mighty aphrodite "
You know, republican fascists created terrorists - AlQueda was a reagan concoction. Just because you lost control of them, doesn't mean they aren't the same as you are. What we have in this world is christian and jewish fascists pitted against islamic fascists. Both sides are equally crazy, but neither side represents the population they claim to defend!
In otherwords MightyWindbag, despite you seeing commies everywhere, the only reason everyone looks like a commie to you is that you're so far to the right it's all relative! You aren't fighting extremists, you ARE extremists!
October 18th, 2005 at 8:21 pmDaytonBlue,
MightyWindbag isn't a rational person, he's a ManCoulter kinda psuedo girl who's fascinated with murder, violence and torture. A real sicko!
October 18th, 2005 at 8:22 pmMy favorite part is the number of republicans who are criticizing democrats for saying the SAME things they said to Clinton. How ironic is that? And where's the 'liberal' press, and why aren't they reporting this obvious hypocrisy? Because the liberal MSM is a myth!
"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
"You think Vietnam was bad? Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo."
-Tony Snow, Fox News 3/24/99
"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"
-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
-Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)
"You can support the troops but not the president"
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
"My job as majority leader is be supportive of our troops, try to have input as decisions are made and to look at those decisions after they're made ... not to march in lock step with everything the president decides to do."
-Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)
October 18th, 2005 at 8:24 pmIF THIS IDIOT Ed Schultz COMMITTED AN ACT OF SEDITION THEN HE SHOULD BE ARRESTED AND THROWN INTO JAIL. THERE ARE LAWS THAT PROHIBIT SEDITION. ALTHOUGH HE WAS NOT ACCUSED OF SEDITION, HE COULD HAVE / SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
HOW DARE ANYBODY PROJECT SUCH RUBBISH AS THIS Ed Schultz TO THE VERY SOLDIERS THAT ARE PROTECTING Ed Schultz'S VERY RIGHT TO DISSENT.
THE MILITARY IS NOT SOME SOCIAL EXPERIMENT Ed Schultz!!
October 18th, 2005 at 10:03 pm'Common Sense' (???),
If we are to be at war for the foreseeable future, does the country's entire political process become 'frozen in place' until the leadership decides it is time to declare victory? Sounds like a coup to me...
Would you feel the same way if Gore had done the same things as Bush has done so far? Your side of the political spectrum almost had embolisms with Clinton and an extramarital affair...who knows what measures would be taken for something much more substantial???
One person's 'sedition' is another person's 'dissent'...just like 'terrorists' and 'freedom fighters' or 'insurgents'...it all depends on which side you view the 'big picture'...
October 18th, 2005 at 10:27 pmI have lived through a few wars by Democrats and Republicans and I concur with the saying that "Truth is the First Casualty of War." I also have observed that the same bullshit rhetoric has been used by Dems and Republicans alike to justify war. A few of my friends enlisted to go to Vietnam so they could "bring democracy to the poor peasants who were suffering under Communism"--- an easy slogan pumped into the heads of the YOUNG soldiers. All lies. The Vietnamese were fighting their Civil War for over a hundred years, throwing off the French, the Americans, the Chinese. Of course, the educated people who went to college studied the facts, and were accused of being influenced by Communists. You can go back to our early fights against Communism and the Domino Theory. We have to Fight Them Over There so we won't be fighting them at Home. Communism, early in the 1950s, was conflated with Satanism. I grew up hearing about the "Godless Communists." Billy Graham himself preached this. Preached an angry male God, Satan, Fire and Brimstone, FEAR FEAR FEAR to keep the masses under control! Now we have a dyslexic president, born with a silver spoon in his mouth, generations of wealth-- so much that he can't see, nor does he have the imagination to grasp, that he is NOT A SUCCESSFUL, SELF -MADE MAN! He is Born Again, the Fundamentalist churches put on the Full Court Press to create their version of God's Dominion on Earth, and here we have this mess of a government today! I don't care what party they are, they are power hungry, and they are going along with lies and corruption in order to stay in power. Sometimes bad presidents can grow in office and accomplish great things. I didn't like Bush, I saw through him from the beginning, but I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but it just gets worse and worse. He is the worst president I have every studied.
October 18th, 2005 at 11:49 pmPlease, everyone, study history, study what you can about what is happening today. We are not terrorists, nor Communists, nor Godless Anti Americans! We are fighting to save what this country stands for.
How could we expect anything less from the Bushies? It's absolutely amazing that they could let the frequently lying Rush Limbaugh continue to broadcast on Armed Forces Radio and would decide to pull the plug to his rightful counterbalance from the progressive side of the fence, Ed Schultz.
October 19th, 2005 at 12:41 pmThe lesson must be this - it's OK to be inaccurate...it's OK to do drugs while deriding drug users...it's OK to purposely lie and twist facts to push a partisan agenda...AS LONG AS YOU'RE DOING IT FOR THE REPUBLICANS.
Where's the balance?
No Idea whom Schultz is.
Rush Limpwad...
Hes not a Conservative, nor a Republican.
Rush had a Permanent Ingrown Butt-Hair (Pilonydal Cyst) on his taibone and used that as a deferment to the Vietnam War.
Yet another ChickenHawk Neo-Con.
The "Back Surgery" he had that caused him to become a "Liberal" drug user hooked on 'poormans' heroin oxycontin was actually an operation on his Permanent Ingrown butt hair.
Rush also did not exile himself as he said drug users should be.
Can you Say Hypocrite?
Rush is a Bi-Partisan Racist MouthPiece for the "Centre" whether he knows it or not.
Good Riddance to Talking Heads and those that Parrot them.
October 20th, 2005 at 11:58 amI don't think any of our guys would listen to Schultz on AFR anyway. We've got a job to finish and can't take time to listen to a bunch a limpwristed phooey.
October 20th, 2005 at 4:19 pmI say that if there can't be an hour of programming from a progressive point of view to balance the same allotment of time given to conservative talkers on Armed Forces Radio, scrap it all. No more talk radio force fed to our troops.
Com on, what sort of National Guard member in their twenties fighting in Iraq gives a damn what some talking head on the radio says? They are more interested in the next Toby Keith or 50 Cent single.
October 20th, 2005 at 9:18 pm[...] has decided to include the Ed Schultz Show in overseas programming.” It’s about time. 4:31 pm | Comment (0) [...]
November 7th, 2005 at 4:31 pmFrom #193:
"No more talk radio force fed to our troops."
Sounds good to me. How about letting the troops decide who they want to listen to, i.e. put it up for a vote...you know something that Senator Larkin doesn't want the troops to participate in. The troops don't want to listen to a bunch of liberals bad mouthing them and would rather listen to Rush for all THREE hours then ten minutes of Mr. Schultz as a point of fact.
November 8th, 2005 at 3:50 pmDave Patterson is hypocrite.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:37 pm#90 The passenger pigeon is extinct.
December 1st, 2005 at 4:32 pmThink Progress should UPDATE this article.
The Ed Schultz show went on the air today -- December 5, 2005 -- on Armed Forces Radio Network.
Why not update your article?
He is on effective TODAY! http://www.bigeddieradio.com/
December 5th, 2005 at 6:23 pmKeeping Schultz off Armed Services Radio will help to prevent the spread of an infectious disease. Anyway he gets plenty of admiratiion and input from both of his US listeners.
April 5th, 2006 at 3:22 pmMaybe we should thank this David fascist idiot. It’s still really hard for me to believe that people in this day could believe in book-burning, and censorship, and blindly following the furor. So thanks David, you bring back into focus how obscenely clear it is that some of you would like to slip back into the torturous ways that so many thousands of true Americans have died to overcome. WE WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS OCCUPATION. WE WILL RISE UP AND EXPELL THESE TRAITORS FOR TRUE FREEDOM. It is also amazing how many really poor people support Bush. They have the most to loose by this guy’s insanity. But he does want a gun in every American child’s closet, so I guess the occupation is ok (morons). Just remember David, Christ was the original liberal. Don’t forget your prayers tonight. That’s all.
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