1,992 U.S. soldiers have died in Iraq.
By on Oct 21st, 2005 at 2:18 pm
1,992 U.S. soldiers have died in Iraq.
“If U.S. troops continue to die at the pace they have so far this month, the American death toll in Iraq will reach 2,000 before the weekend is over.”
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Get them the hell out of there NOW!!!!
October 21st, 2005 at 2:20 pmOh God, my heart is broken. Please get them home now!
October 21st, 2005 at 2:24 pmSend to Iraq immediately 1)Bush 2)Cheney 3)Rumsfeld 4)Rice 5)Wolfowitz 6)Rove 7)Libby 8)and because she writes so well Miller
October 21st, 2005 at 2:27 pmJay,
What would that accomplish exactly? Defeat? You hate the fact that the United States is the only legitimate superpower and if we pulled our troops out now, we would admit defeat and Al Queda could do whatever they wished. Do you honestly think that pulling our troops out now would make us beloved by the world? Got news for ya, it wouldn’t. We have been getting attacked by terrorists for the last 25 or so years. President Bush has had the guts to stand up to these thugs and fight them on their soil not ours. When is the left going to get it in their head that these extremists want to KILL US! They want to kill you. They want to kill me. I’m glad we are in Iraq. I’m glad that we have a president willing to stand up for us instead of getting a bj in the Oval Office. I support our troops. If I were younger, I would sign up tomorrow because I love our freedom. If you don’t see it that way, I suggest you move to France.
October 21st, 2005 at 2:30 pmStart bringing them home now! The lie has gone on too long, and must be ended. Send Rummy, Rice, the Neo-cons, Cheney and his staff, along with Halliburton to “tie up the loose ends” there in Iraq, a la FEMA’s Brown. In fact, send him too.
October 21st, 2005 at 2:30 pmRandy, that’s what the war mongers said about Viet Nam too. Same story, different place. Freedom is not why we went to VN, nor why we went to Iraq.
October 21st, 2005 at 2:32 pmRandy is brainwashed. Sad, sad excuse for an American.
October 21st, 2005 at 2:33 pmRandy, with all due respect to Germans.
Your perspective smacks of those “good Germans” of the late 1930’s. You’re a victim of a propaganda campaign and the rest of us are going to have to move on without your help. The Bush adminstration is going down and all of the major players are going to jail. We have momentum on our side now, the truth has been there since the beginning. Sorry fascist, games over.
October 21st, 2005 at 2:36 pmI was debating a con on another board a couple of weeks ago and the guy was literally saying that the liberal MSM was hiding the fact that deaths were down in October.
I can’t wait to hear the next spin. Pure madness.
The case of the incredible failing presidency in “Mission Demolished.”
October 21st, 2005 at 2:36 pmSo Randy when do you start with the eliminationist rhetoric? It’s about the only thing you left out.
Since all of Asia didn’t fall to the Domino Principle’s false logic, and we don’t have “an Asia completely engulfed in communism” (as conservatives wailed at the time) your assertion (that the sky will fall if we pull out of Iraq) was wrong the last time it was trotted out, and it’s still wrong. Ever study history? But hold tight to your fantasy that “we’re fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here”.
October 21st, 2005 at 2:42 pmRandy has sadly drank the kool-aid. Iraq has created more terrorists instead of eliminating them. By the way, who was more dangerous to our security…Saddam or Osama? Bush choose the wrong answer and 2,000 troops are now gone.
October 21st, 2005 at 2:42 pmThe question is, who is going to be there fighting when all out civil war breaks out? The Brits will probably be gone by then. It’s going to be us vs. Iran vs. Syria. We should get out now before this mess gets 100x worse than it already is.
Staying the course only works if you’re on the right course to begin with. W lied to us and more honerable soldiers should not die to perpetuate the sequence of lies and myths about why we went to war.
October 21st, 2005 at 2:43 pmBush says he will defend to your death his right to his opinion. Believe it.
October 21st, 2005 at 2:44 pmI actually agree with Randy, though not for the same reasons. Don’t forget the pottery store rule: you break it, you bought it.
We now have the obligation to leave Iraq in better condition than we found it, no matter how may troops die or dollars we spend. If that means trillions of dollars and an occupation of 10 years or more, so be it.
Pulling out now would be no more dangerous from a terrorism perspective, but we owe it to Iraq to fix everything and give those people what we promised them. We also owe to ourselves to pay the real price of war so that the next time a president wants to go to war, we remember the lessons.
true, we didn’t remember the lessons of Vietnam, but alot of other countries sure as hell did.
October 21st, 2005 at 2:44 pmRandy,
October 21st, 2005 at 2:46 pmYou are an idiot if you think that Iraq has anything to do for fighting for your freedom. Iraq had nothing to do with 911. Why did we not finnish off Al-Queda?
where is OBL? You sir are a brainwashed moron.
It is easy to say “I support our troops. If I were younger, I would sign up tomorrow”.
If you truly support our troops you would be screaming about our abusing them. By sending them to die in a war for oil and PNAC pipe dreams, by cutting their medical benefits, by FORCING them to 3 tours of duty, by not allowing them protection from the hideous bankruptcy laws they would be forced into by extended stays in theater, by sending the guard so that the pentagon can save on health insurance, by not providing proper armor after 3 years!, by sending them home brain damaged both physically and metaphysically then abandoing them. Yeah you support the troops, with support like that no wonder they are so fvucked.
Anti,
The question is will it get worse in our hands, or better in our hands. The pottery rule people forget the option that someone with butter fingers is not only capable of ‘fixing’ the item, but in fact grind it into dust if they try. Unfortuntely butterfingers is president, so staying there is probably more of a broken pottery situation than leaving at this point.
This is why a REAL UN contingent like Kosovo is CRITICAL. The military and political minds that warned shrub of unilateral action from a small coalition would backfire internationally – but like all jackass republicans he wouldn’t listen. Now he’s screwed Iraq and all of those soldiers who were asked to serve an idiot in chief!
October 21st, 2005 at 2:50 pmRegardless of when we get out, Iraq will return to the same cultural/political climate it was for the thousands of years before we occupied it.
October 21st, 2005 at 2:51 pmFreedom and democracy does not come out of a gun barrel.
October 21st, 2005 at 2:52 pm” President Bush has had the guts to stand up to these thugs and fight them on their soil not ours.Randy”
Iraq didn’t have terrorists until we drew them there and helped them create a local terrorist organization. Your assumption is that there’s a limited number of terrorists and by ‘fighting them there’, we destroy their troop strengths. It’s bullshit. Because of our invasion the ranks of terrorists has SWOLEN. Not only does this undermine your ‘theory’, but your statement as a whole shows your general racism.
The fact is that Oklahoma City, Ruby Ridge, Olympic bombings were all ACTS OF TERRORISTS on american soil. Terrorism is not an ‘over there’ thing, it’s a thing that happens everywhere people feel disenfrancised. Your ignorance is showing again!
October 21st, 2005 at 2:53 pmAnti Warhol,
I agree wholeheartedly that the mess in Iraq is the responsibility of the U.S. What I’d like to see happen is that we put an end to the war-profiteering, kick out all of the greedy contractors and use the funds allocated for Iraq to pay the Iraqi people to rebuild the country on their own terms, with their own formidable skill and ingenuity, as they see fit. The ONLY way that the violent insurgency will come to an end is if we remove our military. It’s very presence is why they fight. It’s also why they blow up a portion of pipeline a week (this miscalculation has exacerbated the short-term cost of gasoline) which has nullified any oil wealth benefits that were to be reaped in either direction. At this point we owe the Iraqi people true democracy and what they want is the U.S. military off of their land.
October 21st, 2005 at 2:56 pmRandy, since you are not young enough to sign up, I assume your sons and daughters, or grandchildren, are now fighting in Iraq? I hope so, because my sons certainly will not be there. My sons’ generation will break a military tradition in my family going all the way back to the civil war, but I will not sacrifice my sons to George W. Bush’s hubris.
October 21st, 2005 at 3:01 pmSweeeeet! 2000! After that, 3000! The Yanks are tough targets – body armour, armoured vehicles, helicopters, jets, snipers – the works! Everything the local boys DON’T have. But they die just the same as anyone if you hit ‘em hard enough.
PLEASE DONT LEAVE. The “insurgents” are just learning how to kill Americans best. Daily target practice is the best way! If the US pulls out now, what will the Iraquis do? Get jobs? Go to school? Build a country? What’s the fun? Americans: Please stay and get shot at and blown up and killed!!!
October 21st, 2005 at 3:02 pmIf we removed every American soldier from Arab/Muslim soil tomorrow, I guarantee that the Muslim terrorism problem would be gone. I recognize that this is a geopolitical impossibility, but it’s true. If we used OUR own formidable ingenuity and will, we could eliminate the need for military intervention in the Arab world.
Do you suppose that the military/industrial complex would be keen on this happening? How about Big Oil? Of course they wouldn’t, and so Americans die.
October 21st, 2005 at 3:04 pmAnti – we can get out and still continue to shovel money to the Iraqi’s.
But you do realize that the Corporate Oligargs don’t want that. Then they couldn’t continue to bill for inflated services and goods. So the repubs would say no. bushco is only still there cause they think that it’ll keep the oil contracts in our hands if they do. That won’t happen either. As soon as we’re gone, those contracts are dust in the wind. A whole new round of bidding, bribery and debauchery ensues and that’s it.
Still, that’s no reason to keep killing our boys or their people.
October 21st, 2005 at 3:05 pmRyan,
So if I am to believe you, Saddam was a nice guy and didn’t harbor any terrorists? You know that is bullshit. Who attacked Iran? Who invade Kuwait? Who sent scud missiles to Israel? Who killed 300K+ Kurds? Who raped and killed daily? I don’t even know why I waste my time here. You guys are bunch of has beens. You have lost your power and you will never get it back.
October 21st, 2005 at 3:06 pmRandy, buh-bye.
October 21st, 2005 at 3:08 pmRandy, ask the citizens of Bali, Australia, Spain, London whether they think Chimpy’s lunatic doctrine of “fight them over there” is working. Go on, try your luck!
It’s ‘informed opinion’ like yours that has us on the brink of general warfare from Afghanistan to the Mediterranean. Read some history, sonny, study what other people think of your ‘legitimate’ (WTF?) superpower. Read what OBL actually says pisses him off and think about what you are doing to contribute to it.
Then read this and wonder whether you really want to have a clash of civilizations inspired by Chimp-Cheney and cheered on by fascists like Hannity, Robertson and criminally insane people like Mr I-Right-I.
This is the most lucid piece of opinion I have seen all week:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/27D5268D-D1E6-401E-86FB-1B14E5BD5A3E.htm
October 21st, 2005 at 3:08 pm#12 Andrew,
October 21st, 2005 at 3:09 pmShhh… Rice is already dropping huge hints at war with Syria. We will be there before we know it. This is Orwell’s 1984 come to life. Perpetual war, ever-changing enemy, rewriting of history, disinformation for the masses, big brother watching on street corners; Orwell was only off by twenty years.
#25, who sold Saddam the chemicals to attack Iran? Who told Saddam he could resolve his Kuwaiti border dispute however he saw fit? Who said nothing while the Kurds were murdered, who shipped him the helicopters to do it?
Saddam? Here’s some entertainment from the talented Mr Blumrich: http://www.ericblumrich.com/thanks.html
October 21st, 2005 at 3:12 pmRandy you ignorant slut.
When Saddam attacked Iran, we provided logistics to him. When he gassed the Kurds – we provided the gas.
I must have missed it, but did Bush say we were going to take out Saddam because he was an evil dictator?
If so why did we cozy up with Islam of Ubezkistan?
Who boils people to death.
you are either ill informed or a hypocrite.
you post here, because unlike right wing sites that
October 21st, 2005 at 3:18 pmprevent us from our freedom of speech – you find it here don’t you?
Hey fellas, didn’t we create Bin Laden too? When the mujahadeen fought the Russians in Afghanistan weren’t we poring every possible military asset into the Bin Laden lead rebellion? Ummmmm……yup, that was us. Damn, I hate blowback. Stinger missiles anyone?
October 21st, 2005 at 3:21 pmBushie just said he is “deeply disturbed” by Syria and wants the UN to take action. The march has begun.
October 21st, 2005 at 3:22 pmRandy is right, freedom isn’t free, and neither is arming our future enemies when at the time they further our geopolitical goals. Vision people, vision.
October 21st, 2005 at 3:23 pmand Randy,
the last videos of abu grehb are said to depict rape of little boys and more obscene torture by US personnel. Notice I did not say soldier, as it is umclear if it was the private paramilitary outfits that this adminstration likes to employ. Either way it is done in our name, and I resent it.
October 21st, 2005 at 3:24 pmSo much for holier than you – huh?
Torture Are US
October 21st, 2005 at 3:35 pmhttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/etc/synopsis.html
We’re buggering them over there so we don’t have to bugger them over here
October 21st, 2005 at 3:37 pmWe’re stealing from them over there because we can’t steal from them over here.
October 21st, 2005 at 3:42 pmOops my mistake, forgot about Gitmo, I guess we’re buggering them over here too.
Bugger.
October 21st, 2005 at 3:48 pmRandy,
October 21st, 2005 at 3:48 pmYou are ignorant of American history. You bash the French in #4, yet the freedom that you claim to love we owe to the French. They helped us win many battles of both the American Revolution and War of 1812 that set our nation free. Peel yourself away from Rush and O’Reilly and read something for a change.
“I support our troops. If I were younger, I would sign up tomorrow because I love our freedom. If you don’t see it that way, I suggest you move to France.”
Randy, you talk about liberals bashing the troops – but how do you justify all of these REPUBLICAN comments from just a few years ago when we were at war. Also, do you have children? Why aren’t they serving? As for moving, perhaps you should move to Iran, I heard they don’t allow disent just like you propose.
“You can support the troops but not the president”
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
“Bombing a sovereign nation for ill-defined reasons with vague objectives undermines the American stature in the world. The international respect and trust for America has diminished every time we casually let the bombs fly.”
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
“Clinton’s bombing campaign has caused all of these problems to explode”
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
“This has been an unmitigated disaster … Ask the Chinese embassy. Ask all the people in Belgrade that we’ve killed. Ask the refugees that we’ve killed. Ask the people in nursing homes. Ask the people in hospitals.”
-Representative Joe Scarborough (R-FL)
“America has no vital interest in whose flag flies over Kosovo’s capital, and no right to attack and kill Serb soldiers fighting on their own soil to preserve the territorial integrity of their own country”
October 21st, 2005 at 4:26 pm-Pat Buchanan (R)
For those of you that have selective memory of historical events, please re-read the link below and tell me why Clinton thought that Saddam was a threat.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html
October 21st, 2005 at 4:28 pmYet another article that demostratest that Clinton knew of the WMDs, but chose not to deal with it.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/17/transcripts/clinton.iraq/
October 21st, 2005 at 4:47 pmThe truth hurts, doesn’t it?
October 21st, 2005 at 4:48 pmRandy, you clearly have no rational brain. A ‘threat’ does not warrant a unilateral invasion – and that’s the very REASON we pressed for further inspections. Those inspections did not turn up anything, and the IAEA basically told us that based on their investigations we were full of crap.
Having a CONCERN about someone, and having enough concern to mount an invasion are two different things. Only a moron like you can’t realize the reality of that.
As for the truth hurting, it doesn’t hurt me, but clearly you’re allergic to it!
October 21st, 2005 at 4:55 pmOne more….
http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/oped/owens/98/iraq.html
October 21st, 2005 at 4:58 pmRandy,
Virtually every 9/11 participant was Saudi. Clearly more of a threat.
Korea HAS nuclear weapons. Clearly more of a threat.
Pakistan WAS INVOLVED WITH ALQUEDA and has nuclear weapons. Clearly more of a threat.
Iran’s program was NOT dismantled the way Saddam’s was, and in fact the Niger trip showed that IRAN not IRAQ was in search of nuclear material. Clearly more of a threat.
In otherwords, your sense of what is a ‘threat’ is based not on a relative threat level, but instead on trying to posthumously justify a situation that has no legitimate justification!
October 21st, 2005 at 4:58 pmRandy,
You fail to realize that not only did those ‘concerns’ lead to more bombing in Iraq, but they also lead to more inspections which completely undermined the concerns. In otherwords you’re trying to justify a ‘current’ war, based on out of date concerns.
I could just as easily dig up 1970s crap on Russia that showed Nixon believed they were a threat to world security – but that wouldn’t justify an invasion TODAY. Your inability to construct a frame of reality based on the CURRENT situation is quite pathetic.
October 21st, 2005 at 5:00 pm“If I were younger, I would sign up tomorrow because I love our freedom. If you don’t see it that way, I suggest you move to France.”
Gosh, drop the “love it or leave it” argument already! A system where you have to move out because you see no perspective of change and betterment IS NOT WHAT A DEMOCRACY IS.
God, this is why I have so many problems buying the “democratization of Iraq” rationale for going to War. I mean, americans seem to forget about democracy in their own country!
October 21st, 2005 at 5:12 pmAND bush just keeps peddling his terror fear mongering and 10 to 1 what happened in d.c. today was done by the bush cabal……………….they would blow up buildings to take over this country lock stock and barrel………
October 21st, 2005 at 5:15 pmWHY USA INVADED IRAQ? we have 1000 answers of it from bush adm, but the only answer for oil and israel makes sense,so d monkey wants to stay d course for israel and oil[where is it?] even if he has to let 5 billion$ go down d drain of iraqi streets every month along with barrells of USA troops blood ,and now the monkey wants to invade iran and syria too,will it b more stupidity then re electing d monkey?
October 21st, 2005 at 5:15 pmRandi, you are gay aren’t you? I figure as much.
That’s cool. I don’t care. That’s the beauty of being liberal. But here’s the thing, dork…
Osama is right now in Pakistan, which has the bomb, which was built by their fundamentalist scientist who sold his work to Korea, Libya and probably Iran. And your writing crap about Clinton! What a tool!
October 21st, 2005 at 5:40 pm#41,43,44 Interesting that Clinton statement you linked to Randy:
“The inspection system works. The inspection system has worked in the face of lies, stonewalling, obstacle after obstacle after obstacle. The people who have done that work deserve the thanks of civilized people throughout the world”
Reminds me of this:
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-no-wmd.htm
Scott Ritter was right and you Randy are full of it: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1010-01.htm
Selectively polling history is as good as lying Randy. It’s the kind ignorance that we have seen from you that has us on the brink of general warfare from Afghanistan to the Mediterranean. Thanks a lot.
October 21st, 2005 at 7:24 pmFor those who didn’t hear about this today, a REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN is accusing the pentagon of a 9/11 coverup!
Republican Congressman Alleges 9/11 Cover-up by Pentagon Pentagon engaged in ’smear campaign’ against whistleblower
Wow, it’s about time people asked some of the hard questions. Like how a giant plane hitting the pentagon left such a small hole, and no debris!
October 21st, 2005 at 7:49 pmI think Weldon is one of the “it’s Clinton’s fault” crowd. But if someone suppressed information that might have stopped 9-11, well let’s have it out and let history be the judge.
October 21st, 2005 at 7:53 pmKindness,
I am not gay, but why do you ask? Are you a homophobe? You clearly are not as open-minded as you claim to be. For the record, the point I am making is that Clinton thought Saddam was a threat. Get that. A threat. He should have had the balls to take action but he didn’t. He was more concerned about his precious polls than doing the right thing. The tough thing. And no Iraq never has been about oil. It if were, then why don’t we just pump it and steal it. That is just another liberal myth that you people continue to spread. Have a good weekend!
October 21st, 2005 at 8:58 pm“For the record, the point I am making is that Clinton thought Saddam was a threat. Get that. A threat. ”
But you didn’t make that point, I’m the one who made the point that completely undermined your irrational and illogical argument. First of all Clinton DID do something you ignorant moron. Not only did he step up the bombing campaigns in conjunction with and accordance to UN efforts – but he pressed for new inspections that the IAEA later said apparently HAD WORKED.
So:
Your premise that Clinton was a threat means we should invade – WRONG
Your premise that Clinton did nothing – WRONG
Your premise that the failures of Clinton required an invasion – WRONG
Overall your argument – WRONG
“And no Iraq never has been about oil. It if were, then why don’t we just pump it and steal it.”
Actually we did exactly that. Not only were the oil fields in Iraq secured before the supposed WMDs were even searched for (You probably were ignorant of that just as you seem ignorant of EVERYTHING), but the oil contracts that went to other countries were ‘reassigned’ to american oil companies. We DID steal the oil you retarded redneck!
October 21st, 2005 at 9:40 pm“That is just another liberal myth that you people continue to spread. Have a good weekend!”
Actually the only myth is that republicans aren’t retarded – you all clearly have learning disabilities that make you nonfunctional!
October 21st, 2005 at 9:41 pmIt is a shame that our men and women in the military have to die for an illegal war. Now the Humvees are sitting in Texas and Kuwait for the next group to come in December. They need these vehicle now.
October 22nd, 2005 at 11:16 am“And no Iraq never has been about oil. It if were, then why don’t we just pump it and steal it. That is just another liberal myth that you people continue to spread.”
Actually, the US does keep trying to pump and take, but the insurgents keep blowing the pipelines up.
And we did pump and take between May 2003 and March 2004. Biullions of dollars worth of taking. Get some facts retard.
October 22nd, 2005 at 3:12 pm#61,RN I saw the same report in the paper today. Most Iraqis want us out of there and if killing our soldiers will hasten that day, that’s what they prefer.
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:08 pmAlso, ABC reporter in Iraq during the election saw with her own eyes, a voter stuffing at least 7 “yes” ballots himself. So much for legitimate elections — sounds a lot like our own.
I should expand my post a bit — I read the account in today’s paper, but it was on page 19.
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:10 pm