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		<title>By: handbags</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/21/delay-lawyer-smears-moveon/comment-page-4/#comment-1244263</link>
		<dc:creator>handbags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 08:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://myblogma.com/handbags/" rel="nofollow">http://myblogma.com/handbags/</a>  <a href="http://myblogma.com/handbags/" rel="nofollow">handbags</a> handbags<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1244263', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Breaking Ranks &#187; Are You Popular Enough for Justice?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Breaking Ranks &#187; Are You Popular Enough for Justice?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One of the primary causes of the erosion of Constitutional (and Human) rights over the last few years has been the willingness of the media to spin litigation. If one of the parties in a case gets initiative in the media, then they win, no matter what the actual facts are. This has encouraged both the government and large corporations to devote their immense resources to pre-trial public relations campaigns. Worse, lawyers now engage in the practice of slipping soundbytes into legal filings in the hope that the press will pick it up. They rely on the fact that the courts themselves don&#8217;t discourage lawyer from lying: they simply assume the opposing counsel will challenge the lie. The media, however, doesn&#8217;t make that distinction: they know that any quote from a legal document will bear a special aura of authority, yet they rarely issue any sort of disclaimer. Nothing grabs an audience like a cardboard-cutout villain, and the media cares more about garnering an audience than defending the Constitutional rights. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One of the primary causes of the erosion of Constitutional (and Human) rights over the last few years has been the willingness of the media to spin litigation. If one of the parties in a case gets initiative in the media, then they win, no matter what the actual facts are. This has encouraged both the government and large corporations to devote their immense resources to pre-trial public relations campaigns. Worse, lawyers now engage in the practice of slipping soundbytes into legal filings in the hope that the press will pick it up. They rely on the fact that the courts themselves don&#8217;t discourage lawyer from lying: they simply assume the opposing counsel will challenge the lie. The media, however, doesn&#8217;t make that distinction: they know that any quote from a legal document will bear a special aura of authority, yet they rarely issue any sort of disclaimer. Nothing grabs an audience like a cardboard-cutout villain, and the media cares more about garnering an audience than defending the Constitutional rights. [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=498734', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Carl Welch</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/21/delay-lawyer-smears-moveon/comment-page-3/#comment-187427</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the guy who comments, &quot;So, there&#039;s no link to Cafepress on moveon.org&#039;s website?&quot;, the answer is, &quot;NO.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the guy who comments, &#8220;So, there&#8217;s no link to Cafepress on moveon.org&#8217;s website?&#8221;, the answer is, &#8220;NO.&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=187427', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: pffft</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/21/delay-lawyer-smears-moveon/comment-page-3/#comment-185432</link>
		<dc:creator>pffft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh media supposed to check story, not just print stuff as fact.  Duh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh media supposed to check story, not just print stuff as fact.  Duh<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=185432', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Hachkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Hachkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, answering the Q why there are no numbers below DeLay&#039;s mugshot, please be advised that the smart lawyer of Tom Delay advised his client to go to a neighboring county for a booking - a county which no longer uses the system of numbers under suspects&#039; mugshots. Smart, ain&#039;t it? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, answering the Q why there are no numbers below DeLay&#8217;s mugshot, please be advised that the smart lawyer of Tom Delay advised his client to go to a neighboring county for a booking &#8211; a county which no longer uses the system of numbers under suspects&#8217; mugshots. Smart, ain&#8217;t it? :)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=184003', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert McBob</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/21/delay-lawyer-smears-moveon/comment-page-3/#comment-183866</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert McBob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, when we&#039;re starting from the lie that people actually support Delay Shrub and all the other morons, we&#039;ve got no where to go but up

The MIssing P Project, taking back Resident Bush&#039;s stolen P before it gets stuck on his lie-berry

www.geocities.com/themissingPproject</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, when we&#8217;re starting from the lie that people actually support Delay Shrub and all the other morons, we&#8217;ve got no where to go but up</p>
<p>The MIssing P Project, taking back Resident Bush&#8217;s stolen P before it gets stuck on his lie-berry</p>
<p><a href="http://www.geocities.com/themissingPproject" rel="nofollow">http://www.geocities.com/themissingPproject</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=183866', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great idea.  Tom Delay&#039;s smiling puss on a T-shirt with the caption. &quot;Support Republicans - See Them Smile As They Shove It Up Your Ass&quot; or &quot;See Them Smile All The Way To The Bank.&quot;
Send your captions to Cafe Press - they will have a field day with this mug shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great idea.  Tom Delay&#8217;s smiling puss on a T-shirt with the caption. &#8220;Support Republicans &#8211; See Them Smile As They Shove It Up Your Ass&#8221; or &#8220;See Them Smile All The Way To The Bank.&#8221;<br />
Send your captions to Cafe Press &#8211; they will have a field day with this mug shot.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=183840', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ken Read</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/21/delay-lawyer-smears-moveon/comment-page-3/#comment-183709</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Read</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lawyer may make a statement that is undeniably false.  Moreover he may make two statements that are clearly in oppositon thus one of the statements must be false.  The reason a lawyer may make such false statements before the judge is that the lawyer is not sworn in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lawyer may make a statement that is undeniably false.  Moreover he may make two statements that are clearly in oppositon thus one of the statements must be false.  The reason a lawyer may make such false statements before the judge is that the lawyer is not sworn in.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=183709', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The Filthy Left would never stoop to such tactics! Oh, wait, I have my t-shirt and coffee mug already on order! 

http://www.cafepress.com/thewhitehouse/866007 

Comment by I-RIGHT-I â€”&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Itâ€™s WhiteHouse.Org who is selling the Tom DeLay mugshoot T-shirts - itâ€™s a division of the same satirical organization that LandoverBaptistChurch.org is operating under. And yes, theyâ€™re liberal and theyâ€™re funny as hell, too, if a little bawdyâ€¦hehehe. 

Comment by NancyKay â€” October 22, 2005 &lt;/em&gt;

They are not partisan at all. They are a parody site and had penty of fun with the Clintons. They have a healthy mistrust of all pols and even the church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The Filthy Left would never stoop to such tactics! Oh, wait, I have my t-shirt and coffee mug already on order! </p>
<p><a href="http://www.cafepress.com/thewhitehouse/866007" rel="nofollow">http://www.cafepress.com/thewhitehouse/866007</a> </p>
<p>Comment by I-RIGHT-I â€”</em></p>
<p><em>Itâ€™s WhiteHouse.Org who is selling the Tom DeLay mugshoot T-shirts &#8211; itâ€™s a division of the same satirical organization that LandoverBaptistChurch.org is operating under. And yes, theyâ€™re liberal and theyâ€™re funny as hell, too, if a little bawdyâ€¦hehehe. </p>
<p>Comment by NancyKay â€” October 22, 2005 </em></p>
<p>They are not partisan at all. They are a parody site and had penty of fun with the Clintons. They have a healthy mistrust of all pols and even the church.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=183593', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dick Deguerin is a good lawyer. He is even quite liberal for a Texan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dick Deguerin is a good lawyer. He is even quite liberal for a Texan.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=183588', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Laur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2005 01:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual, I love reading every one of the comments, even the &quot;trollish&quot; stuff.

DeGuerin&#039;s statement really did precipitate a storm, and deservedly so. Could this be a cause for his client to fire him?

Anyway, the attack ads I heard were being aired in Austin could just as easily be reworked as parody, with Ken Starr&#039;s image &amp; case superimposed, elsewhere. Sort of a &quot;so, THERE&quot; response. Of course, the stations that would air the anti-Earle (whom, I&#039;ve heard, has prosecuted more Democrats than Republicans &amp; is highly principled), probably wouldn&#039;t touch ads making that point.

I hope that DeLay&#039;s karma has finally caught up with him, and that he finally goes DOWN, like a ton of bricks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, I love reading every one of the comments, even the &#8220;trollish&#8221; stuff.</p>
<p>DeGuerin&#8217;s statement really did precipitate a storm, and deservedly so. Could this be a cause for his client to fire him?</p>
<p>Anyway, the attack ads I heard were being aired in Austin could just as easily be reworked as parody, with Ken Starr&#8217;s image &amp; case superimposed, elsewhere. Sort of a &#8220;so, THERE&#8221; response. Of course, the stations that would air the anti-Earle (whom, I&#8217;ve heard, has prosecuted more Democrats than Republicans &amp; is highly principled), probably wouldn&#8217;t touch ads making that point.</p>
<p>I hope that DeLay&#8217;s karma has finally caught up with him, and that he finally goes DOWN, like a ton of bricks.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=183493', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/21/delay-lawyer-smears-moveon/comment-page-3/#comment-183489</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2005 01:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I deplore this crimilization of politics. We should suspend all rules related to rules makers immediately, and allow any means necessary to stuff a ballot in a box. It seems to work fine in Russia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I deplore this crimilization of politics. We should suspend all rules related to rules makers immediately, and allow any means necessary to stuff a ballot in a box. It seems to work fine in Russia.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=183489', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: SpudgeBoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpudgeBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2005 00:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phillip,

Dick DeGuerin defended David Corish. You know the whole ATF/Waco Texas thing?</description>
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<p>Dick DeGuerin defended David Corish. You know the whole ATF/Waco Texas thing?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=183478', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Phillip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2005 00:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen the name Dick DeGuerin somewhere else before.  I&#039;m not sure about this, but he may have been part of O.J. Simpson&#039;s Dream Team.  Hmmm....
What a piece of shit if he was.  Regardless, he has certainly sided with a bonafide piece of shit now by agreeing to defend Delay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen the name Dick DeGuerin somewhere else before.  I&#8217;m not sure about this, but he may have been part of O.J. Simpson&#8217;s Dream Team.  Hmmm&#8230;.<br />
What a piece of shit if he was.  Regardless, he has certainly sided with a bonafide piece of shit now by agreeing to defend Delay.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=183471', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Mary Poppin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Poppin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope this backfires in their face.  Delay is going down and the RIGHT WING REPUBLICAN are scared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope this backfires in their face.  Delay is going down and the RIGHT WING REPUBLICAN are scared.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=183330', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: NancyKay</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/21/delay-lawyer-smears-moveon/comment-page-3/#comment-182855</link>
		<dc:creator>NancyKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2005 04:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me, folks - I have typitis tonight - I meant to say &quot;mugshot&quot;, not &quot;mugshoot&quot; - though that would be an option if Texas was still really &quot;Texas&quot;....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me, folks &#8211; I have typitis tonight &#8211; I meant to say &#8220;mugshot&#8221;, not &#8220;mugshoot&#8221; &#8211; though that would be an option if Texas was still really &#8220;Texas&#8221;&#8230;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=182855', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: NancyKay</title>
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		<dc:creator>NancyKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2005 04:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s WhiteHouse.Org who is selling the Tom DeLay mugshoot T-shirts - it&#039;s a division of the same satirical organization that LandoverBaptistChurch.org is operating under.  And yes, they&#039;re liberal and they&#039;re funny as hell, too, if a little bawdy...hehehe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s WhiteHouse.Org who is selling the Tom DeLay mugshoot T-shirts &#8211; it&#8217;s a division of the same satirical organization that LandoverBaptistChurch.org is operating under.  And yes, they&#8217;re liberal and they&#8217;re funny as hell, too, if a little bawdy&#8230;hehehe.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=182852', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: slavicdiva</title>
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		<dc:creator>slavicdiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2005 03:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about in Texas, but up here in PA we have Rules of Professional Conduct for attorneys.  One of those is the &quot;duty of candor toward the tribunal;&quot; that means, no lying to the judge.  It also means that you can&#039;t conceal relevant caselaw that&#039;s contrary to your position--although I&#039;ve seen that done (and pointed it out relentlessly).  

Another is a duty to make a reasonable investigation of the facts underlying a case or controversy, which is quite recent--it only came into being a couple of years ago.  That means I can&#039;t just take my client&#039;s word for something--I have to at least check out enough of it to know it&#039;s not bogus.  So I could not make a statement like DeGuerin made in his Motion, then claim that my client told it to me and I didn&#039;t bother to see if it was correct without expecting some kind of sanction (or at least, without expecting to look like a complete idiot).

Yep, I&#039;m an attorney--and I find Dick DeGuerin pathetic.  If he outright lied, he should be sanctioned.  If he just parroted what DeLay told him without checking, he&#039;s dumber than a doorknob.  A good lawyer would *never* accept a statement like that from a client without checking to see if it&#039;s true--because clients will lie.  They especially will lie to try and save their asses. That&#039;s plain human nature.  But it&#039;s not my job to facilitate my client&#039;s lies.  I worked too hard and too long to get my license to throw it away for some bozo who wants me to lie in court.

Of course, violations of these Rules are merely &quot;ethical violations;&quot; to actually get your license yanked in PA you have to pretty much embezzle money from clients, show up drunk to court more than once, or piss off the wrong politically-connected individual.  Otherwise, the Rules are hardly observed.  Still, I don&#039;t know any credible practitioners who would put statements in a Motion for Recusal without verifying them thoroughly.  That&#039;s just asking for trouble.

Trial judges up here have a pretty broad latitude in governing their courtrooms and the proceedings before them.  Pissing off the judge is Not A Good Idea (tm).

Someone asked about perjury--perjury involves lying under oath during testimony.  Lawyers don&#039;t testify in court (unless we&#039;re appearing as witnesses, and here in PA we can&#039;t serve as both attorney trying a case and witness).  As for libel and slander, in PA statements made by attorneys during the course of court proceedings are &quot;absolutely privileged&quot;--meaning that we can&#039;t be sued for libel or slander on the basis of what we say *in court*.  What we say to the press is another matter, though.

As far as the use of the word &quot;misspoke&quot;--please.  Trial lawyers make their living by wordsmithing and eloquence.  Getting one word of a sentence wrong might qualify as &quot;misspeaking&quot;--making a blatantly false statement is something else entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about in Texas, but up here in PA we have Rules of Professional Conduct for attorneys.  One of those is the &#8220;duty of candor toward the tribunal;&#8221; that means, no lying to the judge.  It also means that you can&#8217;t conceal relevant caselaw that&#8217;s contrary to your position&#8211;although I&#8217;ve seen that done (and pointed it out relentlessly).  </p>
<p>Another is a duty to make a reasonable investigation of the facts underlying a case or controversy, which is quite recent&#8211;it only came into being a couple of years ago.  That means I can&#8217;t just take my client&#8217;s word for something&#8211;I have to at least check out enough of it to know it&#8217;s not bogus.  So I could not make a statement like DeGuerin made in his Motion, then claim that my client told it to me and I didn&#8217;t bother to see if it was correct without expecting some kind of sanction (or at least, without expecting to look like a complete idiot).</p>
<p>Yep, I&#8217;m an attorney&#8211;and I find Dick DeGuerin pathetic.  If he outright lied, he should be sanctioned.  If he just parroted what DeLay told him without checking, he&#8217;s dumber than a doorknob.  A good lawyer would *never* accept a statement like that from a client without checking to see if it&#8217;s true&#8211;because clients will lie.  They especially will lie to try and save their asses. That&#8217;s plain human nature.  But it&#8217;s not my job to facilitate my client&#8217;s lies.  I worked too hard and too long to get my license to throw it away for some bozo who wants me to lie in court.</p>
<p>Of course, violations of these Rules are merely &#8220;ethical violations;&#8221; to actually get your license yanked in PA you have to pretty much embezzle money from clients, show up drunk to court more than once, or piss off the wrong politically-connected individual.  Otherwise, the Rules are hardly observed.  Still, I don&#8217;t know any credible practitioners who would put statements in a Motion for Recusal without verifying them thoroughly.  That&#8217;s just asking for trouble.</p>
<p>Trial judges up here have a pretty broad latitude in governing their courtrooms and the proceedings before them.  Pissing off the judge is Not A Good Idea &#8482;.</p>
<p>Someone asked about perjury&#8211;perjury involves lying under oath during testimony.  Lawyers don&#8217;t testify in court (unless we&#8217;re appearing as witnesses, and here in PA we can&#8217;t serve as both attorney trying a case and witness).  As for libel and slander, in PA statements made by attorneys during the course of court proceedings are &#8220;absolutely privileged&#8221;&#8211;meaning that we can&#8217;t be sued for libel or slander on the basis of what we say *in court*.  What we say to the press is another matter, though.</p>
<p>As far as the use of the word &#8220;misspoke&#8221;&#8211;please.  Trial lawyers make their living by wordsmithing and eloquence.  Getting one word of a sentence wrong might qualify as &#8220;misspeaking&#8221;&#8211;making a blatantly false statement is something else entirely.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=182836', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The WB42 5:30 Report With Doug Krile</title>
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		<dc:creator>The WB42 5:30 Report With Doug Krile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2005 01:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;TGIF Part Two&lt;/strong&gt;

Just the fun and games for tonight. Enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>TGIF Part Two</strong></p>
<p>Just the fun and games for tonight. Enjoy.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=182803', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: PW</title>
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		<dc:creator>PW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He could, but then who would defend Delay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He could, but then who would defend Delay?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=182774', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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