DeLay Flies Corporate Jet to Arraignment
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By on Oct 22nd, 2005 at 10:43 am
DeLay Flies Corporate Jet to Arraignment
Tom DeLay has been criminally indicted for facilitating the illegal use of corporate funds in Texas campaigns. How did he arrive at his arraignment?:
DeLay’s staff disclosed that he flew to Houston on Thursday morning on a corporate jet owned by R.J. Reynolds, a longtime contributor that has flown him to Puerto Rico and other destinations.
When he landed, DeLay held a press conference and called allegations that he allowed corporate dollars to improperly influence the political process “contrived and baseless.â€
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Contrived, baseless and VIVID.
October 22nd, 2005 at 10:47 amthis is a man who’s so smart he’ll say something like, “Watch your G-damn language!”
October 22nd, 2005 at 10:48 amHey Delay, if your so innocent, why the judge shopping??? Obviously he’s guilty and wants a republican judge who wont be so harsh with his punishment. Or maybe not.
October 22nd, 2005 at 10:56 amTom DeLay and those like him are so brazen and absolutely positive he/they are right in how they operate, he/they will continue taking corporate hand outs and rubbing America’s nose in these kinds of things just to show us all they can do what they want, whenever they want, until we finally put him/them away for good. Of course he took a corporate jet to fly to Texas. Brazen as hell.
Texas, look at how brazen and determined he is and lock the man up for good!
October 22nd, 2005 at 10:58 amAnother pro-life Republic supporting the killing of millions of Americans - and we pay for it.
Workers all over the country losing health care benefits due to the incredible costs (eg GM). Fed Govt looking to escape costs of health care.
But look who’s driving up the costs? Republicans
“Lung cancer is the leading cause of cancer related deaths in both men and women throughout the country and the fifth leading cause of deaths for DuPage County and Illinois in 1996. Nation wide lung cancer accounts for 33% of the cancer deaths in men and 23% in women. Health care costs can be staggering due to lung cancer and its related problems, quality of life becomes poor and loss of functional independence ultimately impacts families and communities. The American Heart Association reports that smoking related illnesses cost the US approximately $50 billion annually in medical care. Lung cancer is one of the few cancers that is preventable. It is now known that 95% of all lung cancer deaths are due to smoking tobacco (erinet.com/fnadoc/lung.htm). In a 1998 report by the American Cancer Society and additional 3,000 deaths will occur among nonsmokers due to the exposure to second hand smoke (American Cancer Society).”
http://www.dupagehealth.org/health_data/iplan_lung.html
Isn’t enough enough from these criminals?
http://www.newstarget.com/006740.html
October 22nd, 2005 at 11:00 amThe man has no shame or scruples.
October 22nd, 2005 at 11:03 amThat takes balls and he’s got big brass ones apparently.
October 22nd, 2005 at 11:34 amwhat happened to w’s plea for fuel conservation??? …no shame is right…
October 22nd, 2005 at 11:38 ami quit smoking 4 years ago, after 30+ years…hardest thing i’ve ever done, even more than birthing, twice…i pray to my god that it was worth it, and in time… now it’s leaf burning time and i can’t even enjoy the crisp, fall air… “clear skies” my ars…..btw, as a gardener, i shred and mulch my leaves…..
I hope they can convict this scumbag. I guess he thinks he is above the law. Maybe the people in Texas will have the brains to vote him out of office.
October 22nd, 2005 at 11:47 amHis villainous behavior is straight out of comic books. What a joke! Stranger than fiction!
October 22nd, 2005 at 11:53 amPerhaps the solution for the Delays of the Repugnant Party is castration. That way they wouldn’t be able to father anymore like themselves, and they wouldn’t have the cohones to try to make fools of their fellow citizens. The operation should take place in public, in order that they suffer the same humiliation they have inflicted on so many others.
October 22nd, 2005 at 12:01 pm[…] According to Think Progress and the Star Tribune, Tom DeLay, under investigation for improper use of corporate dollars, flew to his arraignment in a company jet owned by RJ Reynolds, one of DeLay’s campaign contributors. DeLay’s staff disclosed that he flew to Houston on Thursday morning on a corporate jet owned by R.J. Reynolds, a longtime contributor that has flown him to Puerto Rico and other destinations; they said the jet was “used in compliance with regulations.” The company, which has also given $17,000 to DeLay’s legal defense fund, did not comment Friday. […]
October 22nd, 2005 at 12:01 pmYou know, as a redneck I’m appalled at some the name calling against an honorable member of the House here. I remind you that DeLay was elected by the pioused conservative citizens of the proud state of Texas. I know that some names come to my mind I’ve heard in the past:like bald-faced liar, scum-sucking scumbag, puke-breathed weasel, slime-ball policican, etc. Not by me, of coure, but some of you leftes have called him that—-and even worse. I ask you, where is NED or aphordite and their like to help me defend another republican here?
Correctment if I’m wrong, but DeLay couldn’t bum a ride on Air Force One this time, like he did during the recent hurricanes. Bush is trying to distance himself from this tarbaby as much as he can. So why the surprise that he would use a political contributor’s corporate jet to fly back to Texas on. I mean, what did you expect him to do, fly down on a commercial jet (first class of course)like most of the other 434 House Representatives do?
BTY, did anyone catch that dipshit-diva Rita Crosby last night sucking up to him and trying to help him garner some sympathy on MSNBC? What an unprincipled, newshounding bitch, some of you might say.
October 22nd, 2005 at 12:10 pmHe is a scumbag and the biggest crook around next to Old Bushie and Cheney. We need to get him out of office. He is embarrassment to our country. The people need to take our America back from these RIGHT WING RELIGIOUS NUT.
October 22nd, 2005 at 12:20 pmWow.
…just, “wow”. He’s really clueless about the blatant message he’s sending.
Side note for ya:
>{?
There’s a pic of DeLay on DailyKos that’s priceless.
I’ve combined the before and after shots to make a little animorph gif file, using Morpher.
(send the guy $20 - priceless shareware!)
Enjoy.
Click here to see the Amazing Morphing MugShot of Tom DeLay
October 22nd, 2005 at 12:38 pmGood thing Delay didn’t take the bus or the train. He might not even have arrived there, or it would have taken him about two days each way from Washington, D.C.
October 22nd, 2005 at 12:45 pmIt’s all about arrogance. The repubs have political control of the country and either they are unaware or don’t care about how their behavior looks to anyone. These folks from the president on down are intoxicated with power and they don’t care about anything other than staying in power. They are neither gracious winners nor concerned about values other than enriching themselves and their supporters. Don’t expect changes anytime soon.
October 22nd, 2005 at 12:49 pmIf he is not the majorty leader anymore. What was he doing in Washington DC? What do expect from a scumbag like Delay.
October 22nd, 2005 at 12:52 pmIn response to a caller frustrated with high gas prices, Rush Lim-codone joked that he had had to slow down his jet to only 400mph.
Unfortunately, there are probably politicians on both sides of the spectrum doing this. Kathleen Blank-O of Louisiana was one for sure.
Back in the guilded age, politicians got free passes from the railroads. I guess things have not changed as much as we may like to think.
How sad.
October 22nd, 2005 at 12:56 pmI’m surprised they didn’t gather tens of thousands to greet him as he landed a la Leni Riefenstahl in Triumph des Willens.
You won’t believe how he’s already moving into film to try and gain his aquittal: DeLay Releases “Earle’s Gone Wild†Video
October 22nd, 2005 at 1:19 pmThe blatant arrogance, the defiance, the ego-maniacal actions of Delay are proof enough that the man must be taken down; he isn’t working for anyone except himself.
October 22nd, 2005 at 1:33 pmyour tobacco taxes paying for that jet…great.
October 22nd, 2005 at 1:53 pmHa ha ha ha! An RJ Reynolds jet. I’m surprised he wasn’t wearing a golfing costume paid for by Jack Abramoff.
When DeLay starts swinging wildly accusing people of having and buying tee shirts and tries to pick and choose what judge will be friendliest to him (partisanship is just for Democrats, don’t you know?), you know his little goose is cooked.
October 22nd, 2005 at 1:53 pmHere’s a good one. Al Franken covered this last night. This following article is from The American Conservative:
http://www.amconmag.com/2005/2005_10_24/cover.html
Seems as though conservatives don’t like what is going down now.
I guess people are starting to realize what I have been saying all along. The republican party has been highjack and so has the Christian religion. They have been highjacked by NeoCons that are neither conservative (look at their spending) nor Christian (just look at how they want to start wars).
October 22nd, 2005 at 1:56 pm#25
Spudge,
October 22nd, 2005 at 2:08 pmI agree. It’s pretty obvious. I also think the irony is that the pro-life movement will ultimately find it’s home in a progressive or Democratic format. It seems the Neocon message of life is tainted. Newt has acknowledged this.
“Referring to the 2002 state election campaign at the center of the probe that gave rise to two indictments against him, DeLay said: “I have been charged for defeating Democrats. I have been charged for advancing the Republican agenda.”
No, you’ve been charged for committing a felony. A critical mass of people aren’t accepting your lies any more.
October 22nd, 2005 at 2:14 pm#26
You are 199% correct Brian. These people care nothing about other people or what happens to them in their day to day life. These are the same people that blow through stop signs next to a school, putting children at risk. Why? Because they are big important people who don’t have time to make a stop. The have to hurry and get to the gas station and fill up their gas guzzling Hummers. All th while chatting on the cell phone, cutting people off in traffic, literally causing accidents and then continuing down the road, beause they have someplace important to be.
This sh!t started with the me generation, which started during the Reagan years. These people are so self obsessed, they don’t even care about what their children watch on TV, in the movies or what video games they play. Then, they turn around and passed stupid laws to make up for the fact that they don’t parent their kids. These freaking morons don’t realize that PARENT is a verb, not a noun. You parent your kids. That means taking part in their lives.
These fvcktards don’t care about life, they care about control.
October 22nd, 2005 at 2:19 pmPS: Spudge, thanks for that link!
GEORGE BUSH IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE!!!!
October 22nd, 2005 at 2:20 pmuh…mostly in agreement, spudgeboy…but “parent” is a verb, AND a noun….
October 22nd, 2005 at 2:22 pmYes,
We have an affluent Dallas suburb called Plano, Texas that spawned from that Me generation. They were, and are, the Great White Flight to north of Dallas.
October 22nd, 2005 at 2:27 pmPlano is also the drug crime and drug overdose barometer for Dallas. If it’s going on in lily white Plano? It’s goin on everywhere else.
And every goddamn suv has a “W” on the bumper and an abortion client in it.
October 22nd, 2005 at 2:30 pmI live right on the edge of Villa Park, CA. I live in Orange. It is so strange to stand on my side of the street and see the usual Honda Civics, Toyota pickups and so on then look at the other side of the street and see Lexus’, Hummers and so on.
They all drive too fast, cut people off, run stop signs, talk on their cell phones, double park, jockey for lane position, tailgate, etc. etc. etc.
They are not pro-life. They are pro-money and pro-power.
October 22nd, 2005 at 2:33 pmThis is very interesting… The nutty libs who are creaming their pants over the Delay indictment and screaming “throw the scum-bag in jail! Crook! Liar!” and so on and so on were the same nutty libs who were beside themselves during the impeachment proceedings for Slick Willy. Of course then they were saying “what has he been convicted of? Nothing! He has been found guilty of nothing!” and how convenient it is to be a nutty lib and so easily switch positions to fit your current argument. Slick Willy was convicted of nothing and Tom Delay has been convicted of nothing… Yet. If he is convicted - have a ball, he deserves it.
And so what if he flew in a corporate jet to his arraignment? He is well connected, good on him. I think the reasons so many nutty libs are upset with Tom Delay are because they are either jealous of his affluence and success and are riddled with guilt because too many Americans can’t figure out how to capitalize on the enormous amounts of opportunity America has to offer for EVERYONE.
It’s amazing how silent the nutty libs were when Arianna Huffington, rattling on about how evil and horrible gas-guzzling SUVs were, said that she would ride in a private jet if “it was going there anyway.” Way to set the example!
Can anyone legitimately argue that the prominent repubs who are in hot water right now are any more corrupt than Ted “Mr Chappaquiddick” Kennedy, Sandy “pants” Burger, Gray “black out” Davis, Hillary “Ms Whitewater and it’s a good thing Susan McDougal fell on the sword for me” Clinton, Bill “This Monica thing is bumming me out so I will bomb Kosovo” Clinton, Maxine “please Pres Castro, don’t extradite convicted cop killer Joanne Chesimard to help keep her out of prison” Waters, and the list could go on and on.
I expect the usual nutty lib arguments but I will be more than happy to listen to logical and sensible arguments.
October 22nd, 2005 at 4:49 pmNo you moron. It is because he is a crook, proven by his involvment in the enslaving of Asia women to work in sweat shops in the Marianna’s. By bending the rules of congress by extending the vote time - so he can bribe and threaten to pass the legislation that hurts the average citizen. This is a place of opinions, not a court of law, so yes I do believe the charges against him have merit. This slimeballs track record is consistent with this type of b.s. This is far worse than lying about a blow job and if you cannot admit it it is because you sre as evil an corrupt as the a-hole Tom Delay. Get over Clinton allready you fN fascist he has not be president for how many years now? Your guys are evil and dirty - and comparing them to Clinton gives you no points here. stfu
October 22nd, 2005 at 5:26 pmI heard he did the moonwalk on one of the wings and then Tito wiped his brow. Hee hee
October 22nd, 2005 at 5:30 pmThat’s funny talking about the CA blackouts, when they were caused by Bush’s #1 crook friend, Kenny boy Lay.
Unfortunately, Ken Lay is now Bush’s #8 crook friend, superceded by many more dangerous Bushco criminals.
October 22nd, 2005 at 5:46 pmStubain—–Stubane
October 22nd, 2005 at 5:48 pmStu———Stupid
Bane——–Murderer, source of harm or ruin
Stupid Murderer
Sounds RIGHT
Hey Stubain #34 its me, Joe. I was just standing here scratching my crotch while wondering where you were at and damned if I didn’t see your post! Thanks for showing up and helping me out with defending our guy Tom DeLay. Most of the conservatives wouldn’t have the gall to defend him, what with all the low-down dirty politics he’s engaged in over the years and now all this illegal, unethical stuff. I like the way you threw up all the sleasy, unbased references to every democrat who has ever held office, even though we all know that outside of Slick Willie, all of them were exernerated or innocent of the REPUBLICAN charges against them, huh? Still, I like the chickenshit way you try to equate Clinton’s office affair with DeLay’s corruption and money laundering charges.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t he one of leaders preaching for better ethical standards when Bush was running for office? And how about those family values he continually pushes that stand for truth and justice and morality. Don’t you wonder why Tommy hasn’t hasn’t spoken to his mother and three siblings since his father died in 1988? Family values? My mama would say he is an “ungrateful whelp” just for that alone. I mean, some of the libs here would tell you that if you want to know where he learned his ethics, you need to look no further than the business ethics he used his failed cockroach and rat extermination business before he found a job he was good at: being a bullshit politican. Not me of course. I like a bullshitter. Thats why I like you.
By the way, do you know how to get rid of jock itch?
October 22nd, 2005 at 6:53 pmActually, stubain
We’re jealous of his HOT wife. That fine little southern belle Tammy Fay clone mmm mmm goody goody gum drops look alike…
Delay called the NEA porn peddlers. That’s why I hate him. Who gives a shit that he knows how to buy power? They all do that. He’s just a good old fashioned bigot failed businessman loser. Good for nothing but running pay to play policies.
How many jobs have YOU failed at, stubain?
October 22nd, 2005 at 6:55 pmWow Stubain,
You sure did spend a lot of time writing a long drawn out post that nobody gives a sh!t about. Good job!
October 22nd, 2005 at 7:01 pm…
October 22nd, 2005 at 7:13 pmThat’s just perfect! Can he Try to the apear being more corupt??
“This is far worse than lying about a blow job…”
-Comment by someone who does not have the nuggets to put their name.
Who said anything about blowjobs? I sure didn’t…
“This is a place of opinions, not a court of law, so yes I do believe the charges against him have merit.”
-Comment by someone who does not have the nuggets to put their name.
I agree it is a place of opinions. No argument here… My whole point is that nutty libs are so strayed by their blinding hatred of all things Bush and conservative that they equate an accusation or indictment to a conviction. This just isn’t so. Don’t get me wrong, hard right conservatives are the same in a way… Which is also my point, these are professional politicians. Their first job is to get reelected. Although I am mostly conservative, I will not vote republican or democrat. I do think, however, that the nutty lib viticrate party is far more dangerous to America than republicans. Libertarian is the way to go as far as I am concerned unless someone can convince me otherwise.
October 22nd, 2005 at 7:31 pmYou nutty libs… You never let me down. What a hoot!
October 22nd, 2005 at 7:38 pmThat’s just perfect! Can he Try to the apear being more corupt??
Comment by S.D.
Huh?
October 22nd, 2005 at 7:41 pmDude, you are a fvcking moron. Nobody here gives a fliying fvck what you believe in or what you care about.
If we’re nutty, you are super chunk crazy.
October 22nd, 2005 at 7:54 pmHow many jobs have YOU failed at, stubain?
Comment by Brian
Plenty! I have failed numerous times at this venture or that project. Even got fired once in my younger years because I acted like a knucklehead. But the difference between me and the non-achievers is I blame ME for my failures, not any of the usual victicrate excuses given for being a non-achiever or “unfortunate.” So long as people continue to make excuses (and others who accept them) for being “underprivileged” the longer they will be so.
October 22nd, 2005 at 7:59 pmstupibain,
Delay has not been convicted yes. But by the prepronderous of the evidence of other known misdeeds of the a@@hole most on the left believe he is as guilty as sin. That is our opinion, and you agree that this is a place where you can post opinions. We on the other hand do not get to post on right wing blogs as they are heavily censored to as not to distract the gullible. I think GW and the “consrvatives” (in quotes because the corperate whores who represent this group are anything but), have demonstrated a breathtaking disregard for what is in the best interest of our beloved country, so they can line their pockets. So while we puzzle at what it is that people on the right hated so much about Clinton, I find it amusing that you think we are blinded by hatred. We have very real tangible reasons to despise the fascist in power, it should be obvious to you. We call the rats for what they are and you take umbruge that we would do so. Our opinion doe snot match yours - live with it. Or you can go post on a right wing site where your fellow fascist can give you a metaphorical high 5 for your 2 cents.
As for underprivilaged and excuses. I make an assumption that you are a white male. It is like you allready have a 1 mile lead in a ten mile race on your typical minority - who is then hampered by a-holes like you who keep him down by for example setting the joke of the minimum wage at 5.15 an hour. When you are struggling just to fvcking eat, and bastards like you are giving tax breaks to the wealthy so that any college assitance programs are gutted….
That is the problem with the so called libiterian point of view. It is a very arrogant I got mine too bad for you kind of attitude. No communal or societal responsibility for you. While you certainly are entitled to your greedy point of view, those of us who have more of a heart are entitled to fight against that. Thank you for posting here as it does provide us with insight into the mind of the selfish.
October 22nd, 2005 at 8:30 pmJust so you all know — not everyone in Texas blindly supports Bush and Tom DeLay; and not everybody in Texas thinks like stewbrain (excuse me, stubain).
In fact, lots of people in Texas frankly detest both Bush and DeLay, and we consider them an embarrassment to our state.
October 22nd, 2005 at 8:40 pm#50
I can’t find anyone in republican Orange County, CA that will back Bush and friends. None. They are either ashamed that they voted for him or ashamed of being duped by the NeoCons.
October 22nd, 2005 at 8:47 pmGee duhgopmustend, that’s a lot of typing for one hand. As soon as you get your thumb pulled out and cleaned off, maybe it will get easier for you. How much money do you need to make per hour to live on. We’ll see if we can boost up that minimum wage for you so you won’t have to work your way up the wage scale ladder. How about if we bump it up to say $150.00/hr. Oh yea, and make it non-taxable. Would that be about right, or do you think we should throw in free housing and health care too?
October 22nd, 2005 at 8:55 pm#40,
October 22nd, 2005 at 9:05 pmJoe Sixpack,
A Sears Steam Shark will get rid of jock itch - it is also a cure for EF (Erectile Function)and smarts a bit, to boot.
Actually I make 65.00 an hour you dimwit. I can spell
but I am multitasking as I am also writing some code at the same time.
But I have something called empathy, cause as a matter of fact I am a minority. I did get some breaks along the way - and was fortunate enough to have both parents. I grew up before the hypocrites on the right, while proclaiming they be Christians gutted many college assistance programs. I also live in a very liberal part of the country where the minumum wage is 7.15 an hour. I think poverty level rate of pay will not break the backs of most business.
5.15 is way below poverty level you a-hole. Shove the pie up your arse.
October 22nd, 2005 at 9:05 pmDelay blamed the EPA for his business failure.
He’s blaming a “democratic conspiracy” for his legal problems.
Fact is, people who break rules, flirt with the rules, change the rules, gerrymander? They are so obviously power hungry they eventually run out of friends. It’s so very simple. All the people some of the time…some people all of the time…
Delay’s ineptitude was clear when he did 2 things:
October 22nd, 2005 at 10:03 pmFirst, he tried to apply his intelligence to a heavily regulated business.
Second, he took on one of the most popular presidents in our histry.
How long did he think he could last? His time was a comin’. Praise God.
Delay will go to jail .He is just grandstanding they all do that will they know they have been caught red handed in a crime.Its sickening to see and hear a grown man groovel and whine .Sounds like a common crimnal to me…..
October 22nd, 2005 at 10:04 pmCan I have a “Halelluyah!”!
October 22nd, 2005 at 10:06 pmYes! I knew I could!
[…] The Hammer gives America the middle finger. Delay, indicted for funneling corporate funds in Texas campaigns, flies in corporate jet to arraignment. Since Texas has such lenient death penalty laws, maybe he’ll be next? […]
October 22nd, 2005 at 11:03 pm“Thank you for posting here as it does provide us with insight into the mind of the selfish.”
Comment by duhgopmustend
My Pleasure.
“We on the other hand do not get to post on right wing blogs as they are heavily censored to as not to distract the gullible.”
Comment by duhgopmustend
Really? Name one.
“who is then hampered by a-holes like you who keep him down by for example setting the joke of the minimum wage at 5.15 an hour.”
“5.15 is way below poverty level you a-hole. Shove the pie up your arse.”
Comment by duhgopmustend
Typical victicrat excuses. If the best job you can get is minimum wage, chances are you don’t have the skills needed to raise a family, thus should not have one. If you already have children and the best you can do is minimum wage, then you are irresponsible and you have screwed yourself and your kids, with few exceptions. Only those who refuse to give up and refuse to be a victim will carry themselves out of poverty. Those who chose to stay a victim will always be a victim and will most likely stay in poverty. Minimum wage is not the type of job you keep for very long periods of time. They are starter jobs. I started out working for $4.25 an hour and soon realized that I needed to do better for myself. It really was miserable to live that way but I survived. Walking to work and eating bologna for breakfast, lunch and dinner is just what I had to do. It’s amazing how hard people will work to find excuses for why they are non-achievers. But that is the mentality of a victicrat.
October 22nd, 2005 at 11:26 pmDelay in a word: Narcissist
October 22nd, 2005 at 11:51 pmpaying someone even a teenager wages way below the poverty line is immoral and borders on evil. No matter how you jusify that, it is fundamentally wrong - not very far from slavery. Yeah they be starter jobs - problem is that in Bush economy and all the out sourcing repug fascist love have left very few family supporting jobs.
the truly lazy and undeserving would not work at any pay scale - so the victicrat label may fit some people but you assume the worse in people. There are many hard working individuals who have advanced degrees and woke up one day to find teir job outsourced. Now they have a mortgage, kids and other debts and find out that their engineering degree will get them a 5 dollar an a hr job. There by the grace of God you go Stubain, problem since you lack empathy you have no appreciation for the doors that opened up to you. Undeserved or not. An earlier post assumed you are a white male, I guess since you failed to dispute that you are. You would turn to the streets people with dibilitating disabilities - so you could save a buck on your taxes. I have no problem with holding up assistance from the able bodied lazy dredges of society - but to allow wholesale outsourcing and the belly aching about the below poverty minimum wage is shamefull. I bet a dollar to a hole in a donut you would claim to be Christian. Ever hear of the beautitudes you pharisee hypocryte?
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:33 amStubain reminds me of the old adage that there’s nothing worse than a sinner who becomes a religious person, or an alcoholic who trades one addiction for another. He admits he used to be an drunk, and now he’s adicted to blaming poor people for ALL of their problems. He’s a classist, racist moron who prefers to blame the victim than improve the system to help people who are oppressed. He’s the WORST kind of evil, the kind who deludes himself that evil actions are good.
He’s a retard redneck - nothing more. And ironically he uses the term ‘victicrat’, which was coined by Larry Elder (a black man who prefers to blame black people with all of their problems). Lets face it, trying to excuse paying someone less than minimum wage because they are unskilled - is just hateful bigotry. An education or special skills, or inherited wealth does NOT make someone a better person or even a better parent. It’s such nonsense, that it borders on the hatefilled nazi eugenics nonsense that flushes out of the redneck toilets of the south (where Stubain is clearly from). It’s just rehashed white supremacy. Very hateful, and very stupid!
October 23rd, 2005 at 2:00 am“I expect the usual nutty lib arguments but I will be more than happy to listen to logical and sensible arguments.”Stubain
Aren’t you the same stupid redneck that accused others of being uncivil and namecalling? Yeah, you’re the same stupid fvcker. Why did you come here again?
Lets being with your claim that libs are ‘illogical’, and ‘unsensible’. And yet everything you posted completely fit that profile. It’s called projection, and it’s typical of your postings.
Last time I checked, Delay and the entire republican party came into office claiming their honest, integrity and the fact that democrats are corrupt. By saying that they are ‘no more corrupt’ than democrats, you admit they are corrupt, and therefore they lied about representing ‘values’, ‘religion’ or even ‘conservatism’. It’s fine if you want to dismiss the republicans as the hypocrites for who they are, but your statement of this got muddled in all of the ‘mud’ you were slinging.
“Plenty! I have failed numerous times at this venture or that project.”
The biggest failure you’ve made is coming here. You’re an idiot, and you only show exactly how stupid and inept republican ideas and party followers are. You’re an idiot - keep bringing it on. Your hypocrisy, stupidity, racism, classism and hatred just furthers the cause against your vile and despicable values!
October 23rd, 2005 at 2:10 amSo now that I’ve smacked down the moron - lets actually see whether this administration is more corrupt or not. Lets look at the last 10 years under republican leadership, and how that’s affected pork.
Number of Pork Projects in Federal Spending Bills
2005 - 13,997
2004 - 10,656
2003 - 9,362
2002 - 8,341
2001 - 6,333
2000 - 4,326
1999 - 2,838
1998 - 2100
1997 - 1,596
1996 - 958
Republicans ‘claim’ to want to have rational conversations, but that would require they come here prepared and with knowledge more than rhetoric and kneejerk nonsense they’ve misheard from limbaugh. The morons of the reichwing are idiots. They don’t do their homework, and are simply stupid dicks!
October 23rd, 2005 at 2:18 amWhat we Liberals and Progressives need to do is start attacking the conservative ideology itself. Criticizing politicians from the radical-right is a good start, but we gotta take it up a notch. We need to throw our ‘live and let live’ policy aside just for a little while and go after the right-wing bullshit supply-side economics infested facist ideology itself. We need to start developing our own powerful thank tanks and over time crush the Rethuglicans for demonizing our ideology. We need to turn the word conservative into a slur the same way Ronald Reagon and his ilk turned liberal into a slur.
October 23rd, 2005 at 3:28 amHas the Daily Show picked up on this? You can’t write this stuff, you really can’t. . . heh heh heh heh . . . Stewart’s coverage of the “impromptu” talk via satellite was priceless. . .www.comedycentral.com if you missed it. . .
October 23rd, 2005 at 8:07 amthis is not surprising for a guy who puffed an embargoed Cuban cigar and also smoked in the Texas legislature cafeteria because he “IS the federal government…”
October 23rd, 2005 at 9:53 am“So now that I’ve smacked down the moron - lets actually see whether this administration is more corrupt or not. Lets look at the last 10 years under republican leadership, and how that’s affected pork.
Number of Pork Projects in Federal Spending Bills
2005 - 13,997
2004 - 10,656
2003 - 9,362
2002 - 8,341
2001 - 6,333
2000 - 4,326
1999 - 2,838
1998 - 2100
1997 - 1,596
1996 - 958″
Comment by Ryan Neat
Ryan! Hey pal. Fancy seeing you here. I don’t know where you get your numbers, but I tend to agree. Gasp!
I agree with you! For the love of Burt and Ernie, what’s this world coming to? Two political nuts on opposite ends of ideological spectrum who agree on something. I would bet we agree on more things than you think. If you want to scream and yell and blast the Pres and Congress for overspending, I will be right there with you.
“And ironically he uses the term ‘victicrat’, which was coined by Larry Elder (a black man who prefers to blame black people with all of their problems).”
Comment by Ryan Neat
Does that make him an evil, racist, classist, bigot too? I suppose by that rationale that Bill Cosby (and countless other well-known individuals who think similarly to me) is of the same type.
I am still waiting on what right-wing blogs censor content so lefties can’t post there.
Look, the government can’t be all things to all people. We have had a “social safety net” since 1933 AND POVERTY KEEPS INCREASING, you said it yourself, Ryan. I think people are far smarter and far more resourceful than the nutty libs give them credit for. If the “social safety net” was more strict (not eliminated), I truly believe that people would do what they need to do to make it. As it stands now, they need not think outside the box or live inside their means because it’s too easy to get WIC, public housing, basic health care, child care, or any of the other necessities of life - ALL provided by the tax payer. You can take the new laws making it harder to fill for bankruptcy as an example. People flocked by absurd numbers to file before the new law took effect. Even if it is in the back of their minds, people will buy cars and houses and who knows what else that they can’t afford because they know all they have to do is file for bankruptcy and relieve themselves from some of the responsibility. It’s not going to be that easy anymore and that’s a good thing. Young men and women do not have to worry about breeding children they can’t afford because they know that government (tax payer) will provide the basic necessities of life for them. 70+ years of a “social safety net” and yet poverty grows. Repub or nutty lib, it didn’t matter- poverty has continued (by percentage) to slowly increase (except for a short time when there was welfare reform in the 90’s). Like it or not, 70+ years with the same mentality is proof enough that this system DOES NOT WORK. Even further proof is the ONLY argument the nutty libs can come up with is “you’re a racist, classist, fascist, bigot, stupid redneck….!”
I can see where all of these “social protections” would be a necessary thought process of the nutty libs - they need the votes. They pander to the non-achievers to secure a vote. I know, I know… Repubs do it too, just in other areas.
October 23rd, 2005 at 3:09 pm“Ryan,
This link is a perfect example of what I am talking about on the topic of the poor, working poor and personal responsibility. This guy didn’t make excuses when things didn’t go his way. He didn’t blame anyone or point fingers. He took the situation for what it was and moved forward. It was neither luck nor government “hand outs†that helped this guy out of bad situation. It was his own determination, work ethic, and resourcefulness and his lack of excuses that got him back on track. “When all you have are lemons, make lemonade.â€
http://www.boston.com/ news/ odd/ articles/ 2005/ 08/ 27/ nh_mans_no_1_job_is_dealing_with_no_2/
Comment by stubain — October 22, 2005 @ 2:43 pm”
I posted this the other day in another section, but the point applies here as well.
October 23rd, 2005 at 3:28 pmI’m just wondering - does the RJR corporate jet have a smoking section?
October 23rd, 2005 at 5:27 pm“Two political nuts on opposite ends of ideological spectrum who agree on something. ”
There’s only one political nut here, Stubain, it’s you. I base my opinions on history, facts and experiences that go beyond myself but to entire world of expertise - you base yours on anecdotal and personal baggage without regards to how that reflects in the rest of the world or not. We not only aren’t anything alike, but we aren’t even on the same political ’spectrum’. I believe in truth more than politics, you prefer politics over truth. You’re an idiot, a bigot and a moron. Move along back to your NC KKK websites, and stop pretending you care, or that you want a debate.
“Look, the government can’t be all things to all people. We have had a “social safety net†since 1933 AND POVERTY KEEPS INCREASING, you said it yourself, Ryan.”
You’re an idiot, a moron and compulsive LIAR. I already correct this lie last week from you. Poverty is almost half what it was under Johnson, despite the UTTER FAILURES of Reagan, BushI & BushII all three of which WORSENED POVERTY, while Carter and Clinton also reduced poverty. Your statements are bullshit, just like you!
October 23rd, 2005 at 6:58 pmDon’t blow a gasket, Ryan. Sheesh. So much hostility… I can imagine you reading my posts and gritting your teeth with veins popping out of your head and shrieking profanities at the computer. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
“…Clinton also reduced poverty…”
Comment by Ryan Neat
Exactly right, like I said, by welfare reform. There’s another thing we agree on!
“You’re an idiot, a bigot and a moron. Move along back to your NC KKK websites, and stop pretending you care, or that you want a debate.”
Hysterical nutty lib shrieking by Ryan Neat
Your language is simply lovely, Ryan. So witty and original… Psssssssst… The only KKK member of the Senate is Democrat Robert Byrd from WV.
October 23rd, 2005 at 9:56 pmRyan,
October 23rd, 2005 at 10:14 pmI suspect Stubain is paid to come to these sites. I have found that these types come to the sites and many times change the subject and steer the postings in a new direction, one that is benign.
As for DeLay,
When you look up arrogant in the dictionary you will find his name. When you look up cockroach you fill find his picture.
So, lets actually look at the impact of these ‘poverty programs’ on american from an analytical perspective.
Percentage of americans living in poverty at the beginning of the 20th century: 40
Percentage of americans living in poverty at the beginning of the Johnson’s administration’s war on poverty: 22
Percentage of americans living in poverty at the end of the Clinton administration: 11
Percentage of americans living in poverty currently: 13
Not only has the ‘war on poverty’ reduced it from 40% to 11% under Clinton.
Unfortunately republicans want not only their own conclusions, but their own facts. They pretent like the efforts against poverty haven’t been effective, and this is largely bullcrap, like everything they post. They’re self agrandizing under-educated and unsophosticated morons.
October 23rd, 2005 at 10:29 pm“Don’t blow a gasket, Ryan. Sheesh. So much hostility… I can imagine you reading my posts and gritting your teeth with veins popping out of your head and shrieking profanities at the computer.”
Don’t give yourself so much credit. I swat you like the insignficant flea you are. Your sense of your effect on others is as out of touch with reality as everything else you post. My suspicion is that this ‘imagination’ comes more from the effect I have on you, than and your desperate NEED to believe you actually have an impact. The only impact you have is to demostrate how ill prepared you and your entire party are to either legislate or serve this country. You’re a stupid redneck boob.
” I guess we will have to agree to disagree.”
No we don’t, to do that you’d have to offer something legitimate - which you have not done. You can disagree all you want, but I’ve proven you wrong. You’re an IDIOT.
““…Clinton also reduced poverty…â€
Comment by Ryan Neat
Exactly right, like I said, by welfare reform. There’s another thing we agree on!”
Ah, but see if this were the truth you say it is, then the poverty would have continued to reduce under bush - the OPPOSITE has happened. Also, the poverty rates decreased under Johnson and Carter as well. In otherwords you are jumping to a ‘conclusion’ that is NOT demonstrated by facts - but then again you’re a stupid hack, so what other option do you have?
“Your language is simply lovely, Ryan. So witty and original… Psssssssst… The only KKK member of the Senate is Democrat Robert Byrd from WV.”
From the party that brings us Ann Coulter, you dare lecture others on their language? You’re an idiot you retarded moron! FYI, not only is this statement a LIE, it also demostrates the very bigotry I stated. Unlike Strom Thurmond or any of the other morons of the republican party, Byrd not only left the KKK, but in fact HE PUBLICALLY APOLOGIZED FOR HAVING EVER BELONGED, AND HE PUBLICALLY DENOUNCED ALL OF THEIR VALUES. For a group who claims they want to give people a second chance, you not only show your lack of forgiveness, but also your SMEAR tactics that are so entirely fascist and unamerican.
You’re a retarded idiot who can’t post a SINGLE accurate fact. Not only are you outclassed here, you barely qualify as literate on any of the topics you posted. I see now that your ‘education’ beyond high school has been restricted to propaganda sources. Grow up and learn something before you come back here. At this point you just look like another stupid republican inept propagandist who prefers to lie than admit their failures! Get over yourself you loser - a little monetary success doesn’t make you smart or ‘better’ than anyone, but in your case it’s clearly turned you into a stupid jackass!
October 23rd, 2005 at 10:39 pmHere’s another ‘factoid’ that was pointed out over a decade ago, and is even more true today than it was then.
To put this in perspective, in 1991, those making more than $200,000 a year approximately constituted the top 1 percent. This group reported $403 billion in Gross Adjusted Income, and paid $100 billion of that taxes — an effective rate of 25 percent. Suppose that were raised to 70 percent, which would have brought in $282 billion in taxes. That�s an extra $182 billion, which could have given a pay raise of over $5,000 to each of the nation�s 35.7 million people in poverty. Essentially, this would have eliminated poverty in America. (Remember, most of the nation’s poor are already working; the extra $5,000 would easily boost them out of the danger zone.) (17) And we could accomplish this without changing the taxes of 99 percent of Americans.
It doesn’t take heroic efforts to reduce poverty dramatically. Taxing the top 1 percent at 1950s levels would largely accomplish this.
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Hey Ryan. It’s funny how your numbers are nowhere to be found, anywhere. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and researched your numbers and sure enough, not even close. Where did you get your numbers? You nutty libs will stop at nothing for the perception of being right.
It’s also funny how the other day you implied that poverty was completely out of control because of the evil repubs. Now you say the system works. And you use made up numbers in an attempt not to look foolish. Typical nutty lib garbage.
Take all the swipes at me you want. I can take it. Unlike the nutty libs, I don’t think it is a weakness to listen to other arguments.
October 24th, 2005 at 1:31 pmStubain, don’t feel bad, Ryan Neat lies a lot. Oh he doesn’t mean to, but he gets most of his ideas from old communist propaganda pamplets. He seems to swear a lot too. This may be due to frustration. It seem that he’s having trouble in getting anyone to pay attention to what he’s trying to say. Ryan’s posts seem to be getting longer and longer, but still remain quite inaccurate.
October 24th, 2005 at 6:39 pmRecently I read an article that suggested the republican party could be roughly divided into thirds, one third neo con, (Jesus will they never surrender power) one third social conservatives, (not my favorites) one third old style cloth coat, small government republicans (George Will).
“Liberals” also vary. I lost money when Clinton didn’t take the fifth in front of his grand jury, as I had hoped he’d do. Horrible mistake. Like it or not, Clinton lied to a grand jury, and afterwards, I thought he should have resigned. Rule of law preserved, Al Gore would have been an incumbent president going into 2000, that would have suited me fine. However, Mc Cain would have been my first choice. Yet a lot of my friends would call me a liberal.
I am anti-corporate bribes, rather than liberal or conservative. I live in a republican suburb in Georgia, many would consider me a liberal. I voted for Nader, although if my state had been close I would have gagged and voted Gore or Kerry. After the SC primary 2000, I wouldn’t vote for a Bush if I was on fire and he had an extinguisher. I voted for HW Bush the first time though, against Dukakis, but now I’m kind of sorry, even though the old man is the best of the lot.
Right now, we have too many legacy families in office, Murkowski comes to mind as one of the most egregious, but so does Gore, Clinton, Bush, ad infinitum. People don’t realize how closed the parties are. They won’t nominate anyone who disturbs this part of the party system: That the parties are the only legal recipients of large donations, and these donations are bribes, so that lobbyists can sit at the sides of congressional committeees and write law. Nader’s right, its a corrupt corpocracy.
Neither party wants to change this, and they will not permit anyone dedicated to changing this to rise. It is the source of their power, and the allocation of collected monies to go-along-get-along candidates is the “party discipline” they both enforce. Family cabals and our two parties will continue to be controlled by large monied interests who ‘help’ committee members write legislation while citizens enjoy pop culture and mouth the “freedom” myth, and the American exceptionalism myth..
I want some honest government that benefits the populace as a whole, not Alston and Bird clients. Liberal? Conservative? With their pre selected platforms of irrelevance? Make me laugh. Gay marriage, and all that jazz, these are red meat issues. (I assumed they just wanted accesss to health care, like every one else.)
Dem vs Republican, as futile as Spy vs. Spy. Its the corporate stranglehold on the process that needs to be broken. I remember in 1999-2000 ATT was the #1 funder of the Republican National convention. They were the #3 donor to the Democratic convention. Corporations simply bribe (I mean contribute to) both parties so that no matter who wins, they have that all important access to congressional committeee activity. I think many people know public floor votes are pre arranged; pre arranged balances between party interests and constituent pandering.
Campaign finance reform, redistricting reform, and tunring out multi generational family dynasties is where its at.
Jenna Bush vs Chelsea Clinton in 2020? Don’t laugh, you people keep voting for legacy after legacy, wake up, its a false choice. You get corpocracy either way. Now, red meat guy, am I a liberal or a conservative? Is such a distinction important? I’m not sure it is.
October 24th, 2005 at 8:15 pm“It doesn’t take heroic efforts to reduce poverty dramatically. Taxing the top 1 percent at 1950s levels would largely accomplish this.”
Comment by Ryan Neat
This is a fine example of wealth distribution. Take from the haves and give to the have-nots. From the achievers to the non-achievers. Punishing the evil wealthy is the easiest route compared to the guts it takes to oppose wealth distribution, thus helping the poor help themselves out of poverty. It seems that the nutty libs are too worried about losing votes and hurting someone’s feelings.
The money that is saved by reducing wealth distribution and taxes will leave businesses ready and willing to create more jobs, pay higher wages, provide better benefits, increase market share by conducting more research and development, increase quality with technology and lower consumer prices because of lower overhead. The average profit margin for Fortune 500 companies is 6% and would stay at that rate after a portion of the enormous tax burden is lifted because of supply and demand. The nutty libs would rather cripple business by seizing tax revenue and giving hand outs to the have-nots (which ultimately cripples them) vice helping businesses create jobs for them. So much for “ask not what your country can do for you…”
I found where you got your numbers now… A nutty lib arts college studied the history of poverty and their numbers are strikingly similar to yours. Anyone can manipulate numbers to say whatever they want. Proof of this is the numbers change depending who is doing the research and how they define poverty. Just the fact that the numbers and conclusions are coming from nutty libs makes them suspect. But just for the sake of argument let’s assume your numbers are correct… If your numbers are correct, there is a correlation between the number of poor in America and the health of the American economy. When the economy is healthy, GDP is consistent or increasing, and the DOW is consistent or increasing, poverty goes down due to more economic opportunity, not because of more gov hand outs. When economic health indicators slip a bit, poverty goes up.
October 24th, 2005 at 9:03 pmIt’s a good thing they don’t allow smoking on those flights.
October 25th, 2005 at 9:18 amIrony Makes for a Wicked Mistress
Tom DeLay and Irony seem to be meeting in some of the most inconvenient places these days.
October 25th, 2005 at 2:17 pmstubain- Where have you been? I thought I was the only one in here fighting the tide of “every one who doesn’t agree with me is evil” rant. Whew! (Turk tags out of the ring to go get more water….) Go get-em’ STU!
October 26th, 2005 at 7:00 pmgreat posts here except for freepers like stupidbane
DeLay is going down. Having lived in Dallas Texas all my life, I know all about Texas politics.
I am so happy Perry just got on the Intelligent Design bandwagon… We are going to have Democrat Governor.
yay
-Hype
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