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The leak scandal:

By Site Admin on Oct 22nd, 2005 at 7:04 pm

The leak scandal:

itâ€™s all about how the country was misled into war.

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badder says:

Nope. It’s about how Joe Wilson lied and good people like Karl Rove tried to set the record straight. Aren’t you reading your talking points?
October 22nd, 2005 at 7:19 pm
SpudgeBoy says:

As it should be. The whole reason to out Valerie “Plame” Wilson was to shut Joseph Wilson up for uncovering that there never were any WMDs (the first reason for going to war) in Iraq.
October 22nd, 2005 at 7:20 pm
AckSyn JAckSyn says:

Karl Rove. Good People.

Surely you Jest.

Coming Monday.

Round Two of the Rabid Ankle Biting Neo-Cons Vs the Rabid Ankle Biting Neo-Cons.

Old Bush vs. new Bush
http://www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=20051021-051052-6225r

WASHINGTON, Oct. 21 (UPI) — The Bush administration is bracing for a powerful new attack by Brent Scowcroft, the respected national security adviser to the first President George Bush.

A Republican and a former Air Force general, Scowcroft is a leading member of the bipartisan foreign policy establishment, and his critique of both of the style and the substance of the Bush White House, is slated to appear in Monday’s editions of the New Yorker magazine.

Implosion…Quite Spectacular to Behold. –AJ
October 22nd, 2005 at 7:52 pm
Rotwang says:

I give up. How long is it going to take before America realizes it’s been had?
October 22nd, 2005 at 8:04 pm
The Muse says:

You’ve identified the issue that will determine whether this has historical legs or becomes a footnote.

Let’s look at it in reverse. If Iraq goes well, becomes a functional democracy, the WMD issue will not be so significant–and neither will Plamegate.

However, if things keep trending as they are it will come to symbolize the disaster in much the same way a bungled burglary symbolized Watergate, which was about vastly bigger and more nefarious issues.

We’ll see. Meantime, the stage is being set, today on EWM: Fitzgerald Issues Frog-Marching Guidelines
October 22nd, 2005 at 8:25 pm
profmarcus says:

at least one repub source thinks the “cabal” ought to resign… i’m inclined to think that the first resignation letter ought to be george’s, followed by cheney and the entire cabinet… there is no credibility with any of them… it’s what happens when you staff the executive with party-loyal flacks, cronies, high-dollar contributors, ideologues, megalomaniacs, and the flat-out insane (rumsfeld)…

http://takeitpersonally.blogspot.com/2005/10/how-about-they-all-resign.html

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/12969817.htm
October 22nd, 2005 at 8:27 pm
Wars_R_US says:

Cheney must be hoping avian flu really hurries up so Bush can declare martial law. The outbreak had been scheduled for the 2006 elections originally.

Meanwhile back on the hill, the Patriot Act will become permanent law next week.
October 22nd, 2005 at 8:29 pm
dano347 says:

Don’t forget; even IF Bush and co. aren’t indicted for this, ALL the details will come out at the Wilsons’ upcoming civil trial. Forcing the truth out (imagine Bush being questioned UNDER OATH) is the important thing – forcing Dick Cheney to admit in open court that HE instituted the pushback on Wilson, not Scooter. It is important – to rip away the rationale all those misguided apologists have been desperately clutching – that it’s just democrats’ “criminalization of politics”.
October 22nd, 2005 at 9:22 pm
Roger Drowne EC says:

HOW DIDWE GET IN THIS MESS U-ALL ?

from the ( Re-Written DECARATION of INDEPENDENCE
by RogerART.com Feb, 2001

To PROVE that MILLIONAIRES, in disproportionate numbers to the US Population, have Monopolized and bought the Government… Compare the numbers below.

Approximately 286 million people make up the American Population.

280 MILLION PEOPLE have LESS THAN ONE MILLION DOLLARS.

6 MILLION PEOPLE have MORE THAN ONE MILLION DOLLARS.

Yet in the bush family government most are MULTIMILLIONAIRES. Comparing these numbers is proof and confirms that Millionaires Overwhelm, WE the PEOPLE, in the Executive, Judicial and Legislative branches of Government and this is criminal.

BUSH is a MULTI-MILLIONAIRE and part of a MULTI-MILLION Dollar Family Political Business

CHENEY is a MULTI-MILLIONAIRE and OIL WAR PROFITEER with serious energy conflict of interests

MOST ALL of the bush CABINET and APPOINTEES are MULTI-MILLIONAIRES

6 of the 9 SUPREME COURT JUSTICES are MILLIONAIRES

MORE THAN 100 people in the HOUSE and SENATE are MILLIONAIRES

The Numbers above Confirm that there is a Conspiracy in America Today. Treason has Occurred and the FIX is in…

Continued at

http://www.RogerART.com

Thank U, RogerART.com
.
October 22nd, 2005 at 9:30 pm
Theresa says:

#9, Do you really think that Cheney, Bush, et al, would actualy tell the truth under oath. I think NOT. If they actually gave a damn, we wouldn’t be talking about this today. They don’t care about anything other than their own hides (and contributors).
October 22nd, 2005 at 9:45 pm
Marie says:

Of course, we hope this will all boil down to exposing the facts in the run up to the war, but so far, it seems to be focused on the personalities involved.
Just saw a film called, “Orwell Rolls in His Grave.” It is chilling. We all want the truth to come out and the criminals to be punished; and we want America back, and we want the media to help us get it back — hopefully, the beginning the the end of Bush will start next week, but I am not holding my breath. If the media don’t bring this home to the public regardless of the media’s own personal interests, we may be extremely frustrated and demoralized.
October 22nd, 2005 at 10:06 pm
Brian says:

We’re going to get our country back, Marie. Regardless of what happens next week.
October 22nd, 2005 at 10:09 pm
Brian says:

Americans would have supported an illegal war in Iraq.
But they lied about wmd’s anyway. The joke’s on them.
October 22nd, 2005 at 10:28 pm
AvengingAngel says:

For a complete colection of the latest PlameGate news, briefings, timelines, statutes and other essential documents, see:

The Rove/PlameGate Scandal Center.
October 22nd, 2005 at 11:15 pm
dano347 says:

” Do you really think that Cheney, Bush, et al, would actualy tell the truth under oath. I think NOT. If they actually gave a damn, we wouldnâ€™t be talking about this today. They donâ€™t care about anything other than their own hides (and contributors). ”

Comment by Theresa â€” October 22, 2005 @ 9:45 pm

They wouldn’t have a choice. Phone logs, subpoena’d testimony from underlings eager to shield themselves from both civil and criminal liability, a prosecutor who can ask leading questions – and probing follow-ups, and a much looser evidentiary standard than would be allowed in criminal court, and the best of all; the now-established precedent of requiring a sitting president to give sworn testimony in a civil case. And watch those contributions dry up when republicans are put on the national security defensive – of being shown supporting a president who cares so little about protecting Americans that outing a CIA agent for political retribution is “fair game”.
October 22nd, 2005 at 11:31 pm
Willy says:

It constantly amazes me that anyone would think that outing Valerie Plame would be an effective way of punishing Joe Wilson. It seems to me like the big loser in the outing of Ms. Plame is the US government (cia). I assume that the CIA had a monetary investment in Ms. Plame’s identity not being revealed. If anyone is eventually convicted of this outing, it seems to me that the convicted one(s) should be required to reimburse the govmint for financial losses (maybe a fairly substantial sum) in addition to a conviction of treason. The repubs are so stupid they don’t even know how to get even with their supposed enemies. It also seems ludicrous that this act of treason is being pooh poohed by Faux news (fair and balanced???) who think they (the far right) have a monopoly on patriotism. With friends like these, what country needs enemies.
October 22nd, 2005 at 11:55 pm
dano347 says:

Sorry; “a prosecutor who can ask leading questions -. . . ” should be “a defense attorney who can ask leading questions – . . .”
October 23rd, 2005 at 1:00 am
Clyde the Ripper says:

Goodnight Mrs. Calabash, where ever you are!
October 23rd, 2005 at 1:01 am
Magnum DB says:

buckfush is now posting under a different name?!? ThinkProgress… can you ban his IP address please?
October 23rd, 2005 at 1:39 am
not_gonna_happen says:

> Meanwhile back on the hill, the Patriot Act will become permanent law next week.

#8, thank for the reminder. I’d like to point out more of the power grab (published today by the NYT):

Colleges Protest Call to Upgrade Online Systems
The federal government, vastly extending the reach of an 11-year-old law, is requiring hundreds of universities, online communications companies and cities to overhaul their Internet computer networks to make it easier for law enforcement authorities to monitor e-mail and other online communications.
October 23rd, 2005 at 9:14 am
Pete Bogs says:

this headline gets the Overstating The Obvious Award… still, it’s good to see the MSM reporting it finally…
October 23rd, 2005 at 9:50 am
Marie says:

There is no one in Washington with the reputation of Dick Cheney in the measure of vengeance and retaliation. When reading the now infamous memo on AirForceOne, which Powell says he showed ONLY to Bush and Cheney, although everyone on the plane seems to have seen it, Cheney was the one who focused on the Wilson/Flame/CIA issue.
No wonder Libby is the main “leak” here, but to think that he did so without Cheney’s knowledge is naive.
October 23rd, 2005 at 10:28 am
Marie says:

As a charter member of the Neocon group who planned for years to go to Iraq, Cheney would not be easily stopped by a former Ambassador who was finding holes in the main lie given to the invasion he had so long planned.
October 23rd, 2005 at 10:32 am
Brian says:

Marie,

You’re forgetting that any day now we’ll start enjoying the benefits of oil revenue and world peace because of the war in Iraq, and that the Wilson’s are trying to lower the quality of life for everyone.
October 23rd, 2005 at 10:39 am
Pablo in Mexico says:

Wilson files a civil suit against Bush/Cheney, et al. The lower court grants him the privilege of calling them before the court.

Bush immediately files with the supreme court (remember Florida 2000) who decide, with Scalia writing the majority opinion, that the prez cannot be redquired to testify.

End of story.
October 23rd, 2005 at 11:16 am
Navy Vet says:

Bush says I will defend to your death my right to my opinion. Enough said.
October 23rd, 2005 at 11:52 am
David B says:

Profmarcus,
In #7 you indicate that Bush is part of the cabal. I think you give him too much credit of intellect. I think he may be only a willing hand puppet of those with more power (Cheney). I say leave him in office and remove the cabal. Same effect, he will be powerless, yet we save face in the world court by preserving the office. We’ll look pretty stupid with the third impeachment in 32 years, ie. we can’t pick a credible leader through our election system.
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:03 pm
wwallace says:

Comment #2: “The whole reason to out Valerie â€œPlameâ€ Wilson was to shut Joseph Wilson up for uncovering that there never were any WMDs (the first reason for going to war) in Iraq.”

Joe Wilson did not uncover such a thing. That is complete and total nonsense. And according to the bipartisan congressional resolution supporting the invasion of Iraq, WMD was not the first reason:

Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq

Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraqâ€™s war of aggression against and illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the national security of the United States and enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq;

Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq unequivocally agreed, among other things, to eliminate its nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs and the means to deliver and develop them, and to end its support for international terrorism;

Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program that was much closer to producing a nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated;

Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraqâ€™s weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998;

Whereas in 1998 Congress concluded that Iraqâ€™s continuing weapons of mass destruction programs threatened vital United States interests and international peace and security, declared Iraq to be in â€œmaterial and unacceptable breach of its international obligationsâ€ and urged the President â€œto take appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligationsâ€ (Public Law 105-235);

Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations;

Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolutions of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council;

Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;

Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of American citizens;

Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001 underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations;

Whereas Iraqâ€™s demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that would result to the United States and its citizens from such an attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend itself;

Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 authorizes the use of all necessary means to enforce United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 and subsequent relevant resolutions and to compel Iraq to cease certain activities that threaten international peace and security, including the development of weapons of mass destruction and refusal or obstruction of United Nations weapons inspections in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687, repression of its civilian population in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688, and threatening its neighbors or United Nations operations in Iraq in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 949;

Whereas Congress in the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1) has authorized the President â€œto use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolutions 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677â€³;

Whereas in December 1991, Congress expressed its sense that it â€œsupports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 as being consistent with the Authorization of Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1),â€ that Iraqâ€™s repression of its civilian population violates United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 and â€œconstitutes a continuing threat to the peace, security, and stability of the Persian Gulf region,â€ and that Congress, â€œsupports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688â€³;

Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act (Public Law 105-338) expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime;

Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United States to â€œwork with the United Nations Security Council to meet our common challengeâ€ posed by Iraq and to â€œwork for the necessary resolutions,â€ while also making clear that â€œthe Security Council resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and security will be met, or action will be unavoidableâ€;

Whereas the United States is determined to prosecute the war on terrorism and Iraqâ€™s ongoing support for international terrorist groups combined with its development of weapons of mass destruction in direct violation of its obligations under the 1991 cease-fire and other United Nations Security Council resolutions make clear that it is in the national security interests of the United States and in furtherance of the war on terrorism that all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions be enforced, including through the use of force if necessary;

Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001 or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40); and

Whereas it is in the national security of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region;

Now, therefore, be it resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,…

October 23rd, 2005 at 9:58 pm
Keith H. says:

Funny how it can be basically up to one man, to save the entire world. Pat, may the force be with you buddy.
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History will out all of these pigs. It will stick, just like Watergate.
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