Hutchinson: Indictments Should Be “On a Crime and Not Some Perjury Technicalityâ€
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Hutchinson: Indictments Should Be “On a Crime and Not Some Perjury Technicalityâ€
On Meet the Press, Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson picks up where Bill Kristol left off:
I certainly hope that if there is going to be an indictment that says something happened, that it is an indictment on a crime and not some perjury technicality where they couldn’t indict on the crime so they go to something just to show that their two years of investigation were not a waste of time and dollars.
Perjury is just a little technicality punishable by up to five years in prison.
UPDATE: Video on Crooks and Liars.
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These fools are runing scared.
Bye Bye Bushco!
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:20 pmPatrick Fitzgerald once indicted a person for proclaiming his innocence.
It’s fun to see how the leftists hate the Patriot Act, but they’re snuggling with one of the men who has used the Patriot Act to enhance his investigations.
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:22 pmAnd where was Hutchinson when the GOP impeached President Clinton over “some perjury technicality”?
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:22 pmIt wasn’t the sex, it was the perjury!
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:22 pmsince when is perjury a “technicality…?”
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:23 pmPerjury? A “technicality”? Hmm, like the “technicality” that the Republicans spent a year or two using to attempt to shoehorn Bill Clinton out of office?
The “technicality which they built Article One of his impeachment charges around?
“On August 17, 1998, William Jefferson Clinton swore to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth before a Federal grand jury of the United States. Contrary to that oath, William Jefferson Clinton willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury concerning one or more of the following: (1) the nature and details of his relationship with a subordinate Government employee; (2) prior perjurious, false and misleading testimony he gave in a Federal civil rights ac tion brought against him; (3) prior false and misleading statements he allowed his attorney to make to a Federal judge in that civil rights action; and (4) his corrupt efforts to influence the testimony of witnesses and to impede the discovery of evidence in that civil rights action.”
Such grand, digusting pure hypocrisy. “Mendacity! Mendacity!”
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:24 pmRepublicans..all about integrity huh? It’s just frightening to see a Senator poo poo a crime like perjury. Where was their outrage when Clinton was being raked over the coals for getting a bob job. IF they were so moral as they claim to be then they’d be more outraged by a president that sent this country to war on the basis of lies.
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:24 pmThe Fitzgerald investigation is pursuing charges involving perjury, obstruction of justice, conspiracy, disclosure of classified information, endangering intelligence assets and agents, and the Espionage Act itself. None of this has anything to do with the Patriot Act, despite what Gary Ruppert thinks.
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:25 pm“Rule of Law! Rule Of Law!”
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:27 pmKay Bailey Hutchinson voted to impeach President Clinton on the “technicalities” of perjury and obstruction. (Perhaps she would have rather that he could have been impeached for the real crime of receiving oral sex?)
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:28 pmanother “technicality”:
THE COMMON PLAN OR CONSPIRACY
(Charter, Article 6, especially 6 (a))
III. Statement of the Offense
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:29 pmAll the defendants, with divers other persons, participated as leaders, organizers, instigators, or accomplices in the formulation or execution of a common plan or conspiracy to commit, or which involved the commission of, Crimes against Peace, War Crimes, and Crimes against Humanity, as defined in the Charter of this Tribunal, and, in accordance with the provisions of the Charter, are individually responsible for their own acts and for all acts committed by any persons in the execution of such plan or conspiracy. The common plan or conspiracy embraced the commission of Crimes against Peace, in that the defendants planned, prepared, initiated, and waged wars of aggression, which were also wars in violation of international treaties, agreements, or assurances
Perjury over an illicit sexual relationship?: An impeachable offense.
Prejury over an issue of national security?: A technicality.
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:29 pmThat’s Texas for ya.
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:30 pmWhat a dumb woman.
Hutchison and Cornyn are marionettes. Neither have ever had an original thought. Someone put those words in her mouth.
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:32 pmAny citation for that, Mr. Ruppert? I couldn’t find any such indictment.
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:33 pmShe’s just glad she didn’t get convicted on some perjury technicality or anything else when Ronnie Earle indicted her 12 years ago.
Sadly, down here, she often looks like a 500-watt light bulb of sanity next to our other senator, John Cornyn.
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:34 pmThe link doesn’t cite George Will - but rather Kristol.
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:36 pmVIDEO clip of that exchange with Frank Rich’s comments
http://www.canofun.com/ blog/ videos/ mtpperjurykbhrichoct2305.wmv
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:36 pmThe wingnuts are trying to deflect attention from the fact that a perjury charge may be in lieu of other charges becaue perjury made getting at the truth impossible.
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:39 pmAs usual republican fools like Gary Ruppert sit around and attack anyone who dares prosecute any republican who is accused of committing a crime. That’s right Gary the left does hate the Patriot Act, but my friend this has nothing to do with the Patriot Act. These guys tried to smear Joe Wilson and his wife and it backfired on them. Remember “Watergate”, Gary, well this may turn out the same way.
They referred to it (Watergate) as a third rate burglury which brought down a president. Well my friend this third rate smear campaign is going to bring down two top officials. Why? Because they couldn’t stand to be criticized by opponents. Gary I just love the intregity this whitehouse has brought back to Washington. They are above petty politics and highly ethical to a man. That’s why no administration official in under investigation. That’s why the Senate Major Leader and House Majority Leader aren’t under investigation.
This is the most honest administration in American history and I hope they keep up the good work. Hey maybe Gary can be the new “Brains of the outfit”. I’m sure he has what it takes, just look at his comments. Gary FOR PRESS SECRETARY! Gary FOR CHIEF OF STAFF! Gary FOR DEPUTY W.H. CHIEF OF STAFF! He’ll get one of these jobs because they will soon be open.
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:41 pm#16,
Sadly you’re correct. They vote differently, though. But they both remind me of information/greeter holograms on some sort of futuristic space ship. Hal 9000, maybe?
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:41 pmI’m in Dallas. I’ll check out your blog #16.
Did Kay give George a blowjob?
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:42 pmRepeat after me:
It’s OK If You’re A Republican
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:43 pmGeorge Will, Bill Kristol - what’s the difference?
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:51 pmGary Ruppert can’t defend the crimes committed, or what that says about “his guy” and “his movement” and so must focus on distracting people with the “Fitz is out of control” meme.
What works on Fox doesn’t work in left blogistan.
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:52 pmMaybe Rove and Libby would be in better shape if they had merely followed Rice’s lead. All she did was out an undercover Al Qaeda operative by the name of Khan, during the ‘04 campaign. Evidently no big deal. He was only exchanging emails about current,(at the time) Al Qaeda operations. But, that’s the press for you. Everything is an isolated incident, and no events are related to the other. The only thing this boils down to is, George Bush and his Republican Party is a complete joke!!!
October 23rd, 2005 at 1:01 pmRule of law? Come on, Rusty, that’s so 1998!
October 23rd, 2005 at 1:01 pmTo be a republican today, you have to believe that the only morality that you possess is simply that which you perceive to advance your own cause at a given time. If that means applying a rigid standard to Clinton over something small and then not applying any standard to something huge concerning Bush, then you do it simply because you are a conservative person with the worst kinds of values imaginable.
October 23rd, 2005 at 1:03 pmRule of Law!
October 23rd, 2005 at 1:06 pmRule of Law!
Rule of Law!
Rule of Law!
Rule of Law!
Re #19.
COF, choice quote from that video about Harriet Miers: “…I know her, they know her — she is totally quallified for the Supreme Court of the United States. Her legal background, her absolute leadership in the legal field when she was a practicing lawyer…are unqualified.”
“UNqualified”? Whupsie!
Also (re: Plame leak investigation, after trivializing the crime of perjury): “I think it is important that we have a perjury crime.” Uh, you mean LAW.
It’s nice to see that even though the loyal Bushites like Hutchinson recognize that Miers is unqualified and that crimes were committed in the Plame case, they are still able to stick up for their guy. It’s very touching.
Thanks for the cip!
October 23rd, 2005 at 1:07 pmer, CLIP!
October 23rd, 2005 at 1:09 pmThis from a party that attempted to impeach and convict a sitting president for perjury in a civil case unrelated to his JOB, on a count involving NON-VERBAL CONDUCT….decidedly NOT perjury.
HAhahahahaha
WHEELS ARE OFF THE WAGON FOLKS…
October 23rd, 2005 at 1:09 pmHutchinson thinks perjury is a technicality? How did she feel about Clinton’s impeachment?
October 23rd, 2005 at 1:16 pmThey are tripping over themselves in a futile effort to diminish the seriousness of all of this, to keep themselves endeared to their party, and to keep the votes of their constituents.
They are all hypocrites, liars, self-serving crooks who cannot/will not admit their party is corrupt and going to be exposed — they’re all trying to cover their behinds. They are so transparently foolish.
This would be fun if it weren’t so sad.
October 23rd, 2005 at 1:17 pm[…] But but but… what will we tell the children? What about THE RULE OF LAW? […]
October 23rd, 2005 at 1:23 pm“Willful, corrupt, and false sworn testimony before a Federal grand jury is a separate and distinct crime under applicable law and is material and perjurious if it is `capable’ of influencing the grand jury in any matter before it, including any collateral matters that it may consider. See, Title 18, Section 1623, U.S. Code, and Federal court cases interpreting that Section.” - Kay Bailey Hutchison 1999
http://www.australianpolitics.com/ usa/ clinton/ trial/ statements/ hutchison.shtml
October 23rd, 2005 at 1:26 pmKay Bailey Hutchison, then:
Kay Bailey Hutchison, now:
The difference? Back then, a Democrat was president. Now, it’s a Republican president and his staff that are under the gun.
Perjury’s OK, If You’re A Republican.
October 23rd, 2005 at 1:26 pmMy make-believe interview with Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison (or William Kristol, etc.):
Me: In the end, if the grand jury is only able to indict Libby, Rove, etc., on mere perjury charges, then, in your view, does that imply that there were never any real crimes committed?
Hutchison: “…You are correct…” [Please forgive my literary license in interpreting and abbreviating a politician’s usual long-winded answer.]
Me: I see… So…, if there were no real crimes committed, then why on earth would such astute political operatives be so utterly foolish as to perjure themselves before a grand jury?
Hutchison: What kind of question is that? How did you get a job with the mainstream media?
Me: I “technically” perjured myself on my resume. I told them I was a partisan republican hack.
Hutchison: Guards! Have that man arrested!
October 23rd, 2005 at 1:37 pmI suggest that people e-mail Kay Hutchinson witht the gist of what is contained in #39 at http://hutchison.senate.gov/e-mail.htm
October 23rd, 2005 at 1:37 pmIt is an insult to Americans to have leadership like this. Why don’t we demand more from our politicians?
I’m not enthusiastic about the post-Plamegate Washington landscape. 29 Dems in the Senate (out of 50) and 81 Dems in the House (out of 207), showed what they are made of when they voted to authorize the use of U.S. Armed Forces in Iraq. How many of these “Yea”-sayers were more interested in their next campaign than in standing up for what they believed in? Will this sordid affair add any weight to the “Bush Lied” side of the scale? Alot of Democratic Senators and Representatives need to do some long, hard looking in the mirror if they want to get this country back on track.
October 23rd, 2005 at 1:40 pm#19 - COF - Thanks for that - LOVE your home page. Thanks for that too
October 23rd, 2005 at 1:40 pmGary:
It’s fun to see how the leftists hate the Patriot Act, but they’re snuggling with one of the men who has used the Patriot Act to enhance his investigations.
Oh, perjury was not illegal until the Patriot Act was signed into law? Didn’t know that. So that if one embraces perjury, one necessarily embraces the Patriot Act. Wow!
Wow, we learn SO MUCH from you, Gary. Like today, you showed us what a non sequitur is. Thanks!
And by the way - happy holidays!
October 23rd, 2005 at 1:46 pm-
What on earth will we tell the children?
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October 23rd, 2005 at 1:56 pmKay Bailey Hutchinson is a puke whore. She would do anything for a fellow puke, even perjur herself.
Of the 30 alcoholic senators I know of, she is one of them, and one of the worst. She dont even know where she is when she wakes up in the morning.
Her and Imhoffe have a lot of fun, believe me.
October 23rd, 2005 at 2:01 pmPerjury == l y i n g.
And it’s not about the sex (repeat after me now) it’s about the lying.
October 23rd, 2005 at 2:02 pmOh, and Gary: Merry Fitzmas!
October 23rd, 2005 at 2:03 pmYet another Republican born without the irony gene.
So purjury about a blow job is OK as a basis for impeachment, but purjury + obstruction of justice + leaking classified information are not enough basis for indictment? Only in the bizarro-world of GOP talking points.
October 23rd, 2005 at 2:06 pmlovely.
see this link here for a discussion of Hutchison’s statement about perjury at the time of impeachment….
October 23rd, 2005 at 2:06 pmMost of the GOP’s crdibilty is in the trash, every time they open their mouths a lie pops out…they just can’t stop themselves…seems as though they really believe their words actually have merit….not many believe a thing they say…check the polls, Kay. Its a simple matter to look up the truth on the internet after they have lied about something, such as the Clinton impeachment..its public information for goodness sake. Just brings their credibility down even further when they are caught lying and spreading their slime….what a stupid, hateful bunch of morons…
October 23rd, 2005 at 2:13 pmOld Helmet Hair is at it again!
October 23rd, 2005 at 2:22 pmWhat a moronic ho
October 23rd, 2005 at 2:22 pmhttp://thinkingorsitting.blogspot.com/ 2005/ 10/ merry-fitzmas-week.html
At the very least, we know that there was a coverup, that grand jury testimony wasn’t truthful, and, last I checked, conspiracy and perjury were still crimes. Now, you’ll hear some on the right suggest that, if there aren’t charges related to the original act - the outing of an undercover CIA operative in a time of war as political retribution against the spouse of a man who publicly caught the administration in a lie that partially led to that war and to tens of thousands of subsequent deaths - then we really shouldn’t charge anyone with perjury, or the like. They’ll say that if no investigation occurred (because of the lack of original crime), then there would have been no need for Scooter and Turd Blossom, etc, to perjure themselves. Mind you, these are the same people that wanted to impeach Bill Clinton because he lied to a grand jury about having an affair, something that other men haven’t done because they only lie to their wives about it, most wives not having the power of subpoena.
Here’s a thought - if the wingnuts actually feel that what they did to Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame wasn’t a crime, why not come out and admit it in the first place? Why cover it up? Why the two orders, Colonel? Holding a press conference where Rove said “Of course we attacked Mr. Wilson’s wife. He attacked us, we attacked back. It’s the American Way, and it’s George Bush’s way. Now, who wants to ask questions?” would have garnered even more praise from the right than damned near anything else they’ve done, and the Bushies could have, as usual, cut the press off at the knees, and the left would have been screaming into the wind, as usual.
They didn’t do that for the same reason a child tries to hide a cookie behind his back when confronted by his mom - they knew they’d done something wrong, and they tried to hide it. That’s what always leads to these coverup conspiracies - the knowledge, somewhere in their cold, dark, and dessicated hearts, that they’ve done wrong. They might not be able to articulate their crime, but they know it needs to be hidden. So they lie, and in this country, lying to a grand jury, regardless of the motivation, is a crime. We have to punish those who act as such, or what power do we have to force people to be truthful when they testify?
We hear from the right that this isn’t a big deal - it’s business as usual, that everyone does it, that it’s just the way of things. Well, here’s another thought folks - if business as usual is something that needs to be hidden, that those of us not in Washington just wouldn’t understand, that, when exposed, it seems wrong to good people - is that a good business in which to be involved?
October 23rd, 2005 at 2:26 pmIs she a lawyer?
October 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pmWasn’t this the same Hutchison who pushed to impeach Clinton over this ‘technicality’?
What a fascist hypocrite!
October 23rd, 2005 at 2:31 pmI’m surprised Kay Bailey Hutchinson isn’t at Camp David this weekend, acting as barmaid for the heavy drinking and drugging that’s sure to be going on there.
“perjury technicality” indeed. Oh, I will be overjoyed when members of the Bush Administration start showing up on The Smoking Gun.com
October 23rd, 2005 at 2:35 pmMs. Hutchinson-
Another Republican who puts Party before Country. The entire Republican Party is one big criminal syndicate. Every Republican in Congress who does not demand an Independent Prosecutor to get the truth on this administration’s lies to create war on Iraq ought to be considered unindicted co-conspirators. The whole lot of them need to be removed from office…..and a few of the so-called Democrats, too.
October 23rd, 2005 at 2:37 pmTwo points: (1) the Senator from Texas lied when she was asked about the Clinton issue (where the GOP trumped up adultery to be an impeachable offense); and (2) you seem to think George Will and Bill Kristol are the same person. Then again, they are puppets controlled by the same person.
October 23rd, 2005 at 2:52 pmFantastic. I can’t wait any longer for the indictment of Cheney, Libby, Rove, etc etc on “tenchicalities” like perjury, obstruction of justice, conspiracy, and the like. Unfortunately, the spin (”it’s a technicality, it’s not a REAL crime”) by Hutchinson and others of her ilk only applies to rich, fat, white, male, republican pig politicians. It’s not transferrable to the other 99.9% of people charged with crimes (who are none of the above). Other defense lawyers and I have our work cut out to extend this new “rule of lenity” to our clients. It would be easier if the republicans weren’t so hypocritical.
October 23rd, 2005 at 2:55 pmHow do the people of Texas come up with all these total dipsh*ts?
October 23rd, 2005 at 3:03 pmMs Hutchinson didn’t appear to have any qualms about convicting a sitting President on technicalities according to this quote for the Clinton impeachment, “The two Articles of Impeachment before the Senate in this proceeding do in fact accuse the President of committing three actual crimes, `perjury before the grand jury,’ `’obstruction of justice,’ and `witness tampering,’ that meet the requirements for conviction of an indicted defendant in a criminal case brought under Federal law.”
October 23rd, 2005 at 3:06 pmThe Republican Party’s top spokespeople are Ann Coulter, Limbaugh, Savage, O’really and Hannity. They speak the minds of the “new” Moon molded right in America.
The Republican party’s leaders have become propagandists and supporters of the cult of conservatism above all. The deceptions and rationalizations produce whale sized hypocrites.
Remember how they badgered the Big Dog about holding up traffic at LAX - traffic which the FAA said was NEVER held up?
ga see this?
http://www2.dailynews.com/news/ci_3140261
Bush motorcade leaves other folks fuming
One hundred Brentwood kindergartners, many dressed in costumes, were all set to go see “The Wizard of Oz” on Friday when their first-ever field trip was blocked by the nation’s 43rd president.
They never got to see the wizard.
President George W. Bush, his Marine One helicopter grounded by fog, brought morning rush hour to a standstill while his motorcade proceeded from West Los Angeles through the San Fernando Valley to Simi Valley for the dedication of the Air Force One Pavilion.
“We had buses all loaded up - but by the time they got to school it was too late,” said Julie Fahn, a volunteer mom at Kenter Canyon Elementary in Brentwood, where girls had dressed as Dorothy to see the play performed in Malibu.
“My poor children - they were so disappointed. They’re all so sad. They were inconvenienced by a silly motorcade down Sunset (Boulevard).”
Bush’s traffic jams - Westside to San Fernando Valley commutes Thursday night took up to three hours when traffic was rerouted because of a presidential fundraiser - added to the lore of a city notorious for its gridlock. ….
“If he can sneak in and out of Baghdad without anybody knowing it, it seems like he could slip in and out of L.A. without disrupting rush hour - twice.”
October 23rd, 2005 at 3:14 pmthat was then, this is now - Kay talks about perjury
October 23rd, 2005 at 3:21 pmIs this an omen?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/ 1/ hi/ entertainment/ music/ 4366574.stm
October 23rd, 2005 at 3:25 pmThis woman is a joke. She should be on the funny pages not in the halls of Congress. On the same program she proclaimed that Miers is throughly qualified to sit on the Supreme Court, and she knows this because she know her. What a dip. Obviously not too many brain cells are in functioning order. Recomend taking a look at the statements on Kos that she made at the time the Repugs were trying to impeach Clinton. What goes around Kay comes around. Now it is your time. Difference: you and your gang deserve everything they are going to get.
October 23rd, 2005 at 3:34 pm“Hutchison and Cornyn are marionettes. Neither have ever had an original thought. Someone put those words in her mouth.”
And that would be the giveaway, wouldn’t it? When the indictments come down and the frogs begin marching, your TV set will be a cornucopia-o-apologists, screaming “Technicalities!” “They couldn’t indict [name of neocon traitor here] on a REAL crime!” “It’s the criminalization of politics!”
But you know the beauty of it all? “Spin” only works on public opinion and elections. It has no bearing on what goes on once you’re in a courtroom, fighting for your life. Witness Tom DeLay’s slash-and-burn media campaign (yes, I’ll grant you this is an early attempt to pee in the jury pool, but it’s not going to work).
Plus, when Karl is preoccupied with saving his own ass, and the punditocracy starts getting its blast faxes from B-list propagandists, the spin and the Rovian character assassinations will be far less effective (and it’s happening already!).
BTW, “Gary Ruppert”: [a] Only someone disconnected from reality, or someone with a vested interest in saving these culprits, would continue to be such a pathetic apologist for them, in the face of all that’s gone down here; [b] if you’re actually being paid to astroturf the blogs, um, let’s just say that now that the Rove crowd has real problems to deal with, your checks may not be coming anymore. You might want to think about getting a real job.
October 23rd, 2005 at 3:35 pm#63
I am kind of on the fence abou the motorcade story.
Here are the two sides:
Side One…
George Bush is a d!ck for blocking morning rush hour traffic in Los Angeles. this caused people to probably be late for work and stopped those kids from going on their field trip.
Side Two…
October 23rd, 2005 at 3:57 pmI can’t really get that upset about a bunch of rich kids from Brentwood (OJs place) that were dressed up as Dorthy (most likey very expensive “my kid has a better costume than yours” style) to go see The Wizard of Oz in Malibu (where the OC is filmed, but is not in Orange County).
I wonder if Miers has ever sucked off more than two guys at one time?
October 23rd, 2005 at 4:05 pm“Perjury is just a little technicality punishable by up to five years in prison.”
I guess they forgave BJ Bill his perjury because they figured he’d been punished enough after twenty years of marriage to the queen bitch. But accessory to murder, several counts of rape and treason? How’d he get away will all that?
October 23rd, 2005 at 4:05 pm“But accessory to murder, several counts of rape and treason? How’d he get away will all that?”
When did he ever go to trial for those crimes? I don’t remember that ever happening.
Hmmmmmmm…..
Oh that’s right, because it never happened you stupid moron.
October 23rd, 2005 at 4:09 pmDon F.,
I think your record is safe.
October 23rd, 2005 at 4:11 pmhttp://www.commondreams.org/views03/0617-09.htm
October 23rd, 2005 at 4:12 pmDoes anyone remember how Hutchinson voted on the perjury impeachment trial of William Jefferson Clinton? (the key word being perjury)
October 23rd, 2005 at 4:15 pmThose Interested:
Fitgeralds Site. Briefs in .PDF format.
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/
Motto of An American
“Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death”
Motto of A Freeper
October 23rd, 2005 at 4:17 pm“Give me Less Liberty, Privacy and More Death”
[…] Sen. Hutchinson Today on MTP: I certainly hope that if there is going to be an indictment that says something happened, that it is an indictment on a crime and not some perjury technicality where they couldn’t indict on the crime so they go to something just to show that their two years of investigation were not a waste of time and dollars. […]
October 23rd, 2005 at 4:20 pmTotally off-topic. . . but when you guys respond to a previous post, can you please cite that post’s number too?
It makes it a lot easier to go back and see how dumb they are.
:-P
October 23rd, 2005 at 4:40 pmTRYING TO COMPARE CLINTON’S “LIES”…that killed no one and he didn’t have to say a word because it was no one’s business but hillary, bil. and monica’s….and the thousands of deaths of innocent lives of every nationality by W and his neoCON (con job they have pulled and hopefully their eventual destination and this time it should be attica instead of club fed)…..LIKE COMPARING A PICNIC IN PARk TO THE BATTLE OF THE BULDGE (THE GERMANS SIDE). THE NEOCONS LIED ABOUT GOING TO WAR, ABOUT ALMOST EVERYTHING THEY HAVE DONE SINCE SEIZED POWER IN 2000. WITH A COUP LIKE IN THE SEVEN DAYS IN MAY….WHEN THE PRES. TOLD THE LEADER OF THE MILITARY COUP….WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF OUR ENEMIES FOUND OUT OUR DEMOCRACY WAS SO WEAK THAT IT WOULD BE EASY TO DEFEAT…..AND ATTACK…..WHAT HAPPENED ALMOST A YEAR AFTER THE NEOCON COUP…..9/11 connect the dots yourself…..the al quida pigs attacted our country…and who do we attack iraq…..had we done WWJD what jesus would have done would be forgive our enemies and turned our security apparatus to the arrest and trial of osama et al….instead we attack and they are stronger and more influential than before….had we forgiven them and really put our “real” chritianity forward….there are many in the muslim community even the radicals that would have respected our fidelity to Christ and His teachings that a bucket with osama’s head in it would have wound up on the porch of the white house…..than the blood of thousands upon thousands of innocents we have to wash off our national soul…and true christians believe that there will be a judgement day…..psuedo christians like W will find out like saddam and osama that heaven smells a lot like sulfur and very very hot….
October 23rd, 2005 at 4:52 pm#76
I tend to post the number if it a couple of posts away. But I usually don’t if mine will be the next post.
Oh and Perjury is a crime.
October 23rd, 2005 at 5:06 pm#19 - COF - Thanks for that - LOVE your home page. Thanks for that too
Comment by Paulette — October 23, 2005 @ 1:40 pm
Sorry - I meant #18
October 23rd, 2005 at 5:07 pmthis bitch has some nerve… Clinton was impeached on a matter unrelated to his job as president… if Clinton could be impeached for that lie, Rove, Libby, Bush, Cheney and Co. should get life in prison theirs!
October 23rd, 2005 at 5:21 pmWe’re beginning to see and hear the 38%, or less, who still support bush. We’re at the bottom of the barrel where all the scum is. Please try to make sure none of those people ever get re-elected.
October 23rd, 2005 at 5:36 pmPerjury should always be prosecuted. What is the point of a judicial system that allows those who testify to lie? The truth and nothing but the truth.
October 23rd, 2005 at 5:43 pmLet’s not forget that most of the indictments in the Watergate scandal, were for the cover up of the crime (breaking and entering) and not the crime itself.
October 23rd, 2005 at 5:54 pmI guess they forgave BJ Bill his perjury because they figured he’d been punished enough after twenty years of marriage to the queen bitch. But accessory to murder, several counts of rape and treason? How’d he get away will all that?
Perjury isn’t just lying: it’s lying when the question asked is germane to the investigation. Now compare lying about a blowjob in Starr’s 7-year, $70M dollar investigation into a failed real estate deal with lying about leaking sensitive national security information during Fitz’s investigation into the illegal outing of an undercover agent tasked with stopping proliferation of WMD.
October 23rd, 2005 at 6:02 pmNot only is perjury a crime under US law, it’s also forbidden as one of the Ten Commandments.
October 23rd, 2005 at 6:04 pmThere’s more evidence every day that Republican’s don’t understand television, radio or the internet.
How else could these liars go on TV and state things, that will easily be refuted by their own statements.
You have guys like Rush saying “I never said that” about something, which in 4 seconds somebody has posted all over the net the audio of his exact quotes saying that.
You have these clowns going on TV saying that people should not be charged with perjury, when you have their own statements from 6-7 years ago on video stating that perjury is a serious crime.
Not only do these people want to take us back to the 1930’s, but they seem to think that the technology is still from the 1930’s.
October 23rd, 2005 at 6:09 pmWhen will Ruppert Pupkin stop molesting children at clown college? Perjury is perjury.
October 23rd, 2005 at 6:09 pmMatt,
Rush counts on his audience being too stupid, too radical or too brainwashed to care if he lies. We see it all of the time with the trolls that post lies here, are corrected on those lies with REAL evidence, and then repost the same lies on the next thread. They’re pathologically insane based on their actions - and no amount of ‘evidence’ will ever cure a zealot. That’s because they act out of ‘belief’ and ‘faith’ which not only doesn’t require evidence, but in fact is based on the principle of belief in the face of contradictory evidence! It’s a kind of ‘test of belief’ for them. Very whacko! Very pscyhotic! Very impossible to cure with anything less than medicative intervention - and even that will probably fail for most of them.
October 23rd, 2005 at 6:28 pmI agree Ryan, the Bushie supporters are in very serious need of pychiatric medication and therapy.
Just a reminder, for those who haven’t signed the petition at votetoimpeach.org
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October 23rd, 2005 at 6:34 pmPerhaps Senator Hutchinson would prefer Republicans face this array of charges.
October 23rd, 2005 at 6:36 pm[…] From Think Progress: [Sen. Kay Bailey] Hutchinson: Indictments Should Be “On a Crime and Not Some Perjury Technicality†[link] […]
October 23rd, 2005 at 6:46 pmSo, if Clinton’s lie was also a technicality why did the Republicans persued impeachment? Karma, sweet Karma.
October 23rd, 2005 at 7:16 pmAs a Canadian I’d like to thank the 50.5 % of american voters for keeping “W” and his pack of thieves in power. Thanks to you our economy thrives while yours is circling the bowl. Thanks again!
October 23rd, 2005 at 7:16 pm8,20,43
I think what Gary is trying to say is that Fitzgerald has used investigate techniques that he would not have been able to use had it not been for the Patriot Act.
Exactly what those things are, I do not know and if Gary wishes to further explain that would be nice.
In the meantime….I’m lovin this man!
October 23rd, 2005 at 7:24 pmmake em all squirm in their seats!
Lets open this can-o-worms wide and lets go on record with the entire White House Iraq Group (NeoCon) conspiracy to start an unprovoked war for their own messed up idea of “peace” in the Middle East.
Lets talk about what really happened in the run up to war and why we really invaded Iraq.
If so, I’m sure the Right will be disgusted about all this effort over “technicalities” - they are, at least, consistent in their hypocrisy if not their morals.
Unlike the last time, with the setup as “impeachment over sex??” vs “lying is lying”, it’ll be “lying, coverup, conspiracy and other crimes” vs “lying is only lying” - their outrage will be seem pretty ironic indeed.
That said, personally - and like most everyone else here - I’d prefer indictments that address the original crimes themselves, not just the lies. But I’ll take what I can get.
And if Bush pardons anyone, well that’s not too bad since it’d cripple his presidency (thus the crimes he’d be able to commit) for the next three years.
October 23rd, 2005 at 7:25 pmThere is a crime! It was committed by Novak when he willfully ‘outed’ a secret CIA operative. Hide behind the public right to know as best he can, he is headed to the slammmer.
The rest of the potential indictees contributed to the ‘outing’, or lied to investigators or the GJ, or conspired or whatever. All crimes.
The wheels are falling off the ’scooter’ trudge off to the slammer. This grove has root rot and must be ‘clearcut’ now.
October 23rd, 2005 at 7:26 pmThe GOP continues to put their foot in their mouth, and up our butts. Kay H. is one of the worst of the worst. She spends most of her time selling off government assets — our assets — for pennies on the dollar to her friends down in Texas, and she has consistently blocked legislation designed to stop this looting. We must stop her! And the other con artist in the GOP.
http://fixco1.com
October 23rd, 2005 at 7:31 pmRemember this, as per #9/#30
“The rule of Law”
“All we want is the truth”
Endlessly said.
October 23rd, 2005 at 7:51 pmBears repeating?
Valerie Plame has been outed and identified.
As the only covert CIA operative that the hard anti-American loony left likes and appreciates.
October 23rd, 2005 at 7:57 pmSen Kay Bailey Hutchinson went on to say, later in the interview, that Clinton was charged with more than purgery and obstriction of justice. It is true that the original articles of impeachment included witness tampering and “abuse of power”, but on December 19, 1998 the House of Representatives voted to impeach William Jefferson Clinton on one count of purgery and one count of obstruction of justice. That’s all.
Kay, you are a lier and a hypocrit.
October 23rd, 2005 at 8:04 pmWhat drmagoo said at #53 (quoted below) cannot be repeated often enough. I had this thought but never put it so well. If there was no wrongdoing, why not short circuit the long, expensive investigation so the President and Rove could concentrate on looting Social Security?
“Here’s a thought - if the wingnuts actually feel that what they did to Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame wasn’t a crime, why not come out and admit it in the first place? Why cover it up? Why the two orders, Colonel? Holding a press conference where Rove said “Of course we attacked Mr. Wilson’s wife. He attacked us, we attacked back. It’s the American Way, and it’s George Bush’s way. Now, who wants to ask questions?†would have garnered even more praise from the right than damned near anything else they’ve done, and the Bushies could have, as usual, cut the press off at the knees, and the left would have been screaming into the wind, as usual.
“They didn’t do that for the same reason a child tries to hide a cookie behind his back when confronted by his mom - they knew they’d done something wrong, and they tried to hide it. That’s what always leads to these coverup conspiracies - the knowledge, somewhere in their cold, dark, and dessicated hearts, that they’ve done wrong. They might not be able to articulate their crime, but they know it needs to be hidden. So they lie, and in this country, lying to a grand jury, regardless of the motivation, is a crime. We have to punish those who act as such, or what power do we have to force people to be truthful when they testify?”
October 23rd, 2005 at 8:05 pm“Kay, you are a lier and a hypocrit”
“Rich” - You can neither spell nor arrive at sensible conclusions.
In “Rich” speak - U Kan Neether spel knor aryve att centsible konhlusionz.
October 23rd, 2005 at 8:06 pmhttp://hutchison.senate.gov/e-mail.htm
see also
http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Perjury_Comparisons
October 23rd, 2005 at 8:20 pmRepublicans set the standard of impeachment when they impeached President Clinton. Now that Bush has exceeded those standards, impeachment must be made against him.
October 23rd, 2005 at 8:22 pmThis is what Senator Hutchinson said this morning to Tim Russert:
“And I’m not saying that those (perjury offenses) are not crimes. They are.”
What is hypocritical about that? Nothing.
October 23rd, 2005 at 8:25 pm“Now that Bush has exceeded those standards, impeachment must be made against him.”
Is Bush a target of Fitzgerald’s investigation? Will Fitzgerald even submit his findings to the Congress, the way Ken Starr did?
Christ, you leftist scumbags (sorry to all bags of scum) will stoop at nothing to defeat a leader who actually stands up for the United States.
October 23rd, 2005 at 8:28 pmI have an idea. let’s get them ALL. ALL of them. Every lier, every cheater, every whore to the special interests…on BOTH sides of the aisle. Washington might be an awful lonely place before long.
October 23rd, 2005 at 8:46 pmIf this technicality results in prison time then great. What an idiot.
October 23rd, 2005 at 8:53 pmI believe the entire point is to determine if crimes have been commited. Party affiliation is a moot point. In this case, it just happens to be on the other side of the road. Bush, Cheney, Rove, Libby, DeLay, et al have all made their choices. If those choices were illegal, it is time to pay the price. Which in the case of politicians is seldom what they deserve. Just anther case of Deja Moo. (I’ve heard this BS before…..)
October 23rd, 2005 at 8:54 pmIf I perjured myself about something Senator Hutch did, would she rush to MY defense?
BlaHaHaHaHaHaHa!
October 23rd, 2005 at 9:01 pmLMAO….conservatives responding to this post talking about Clinton. The man just got his dick sucked, and yeah he lied. Bush and Company have been lying through their teeth to justify an illegal war which has killed almost 2000 of OUR American citizens for like 4 years. Which is worse???? Leave Clinton alone. His crimes pale in comparison to this Fascist Admin.
October 23rd, 2005 at 9:02 pmRead it and weep ya wingnuts:
Department of Justice QUI PRO DOMINA JUSTITIA SEQUITUR
Office of the Deputy Attorney General Washington, D.C. 20530
February 6, 2004
The Honorable Patrick J. Fitzgerald United States Attorney Northern District of Illinois 219 S. Dearborn Street Chicago, Illinois 60604
Dear Patrick:
At your request, I am writing to clarify that my December 30, 2003, delegation to you of “all the authority of the Attorney General with respect to the Department’s investigation into the alleged unauthorized disclosure of a CIA employee’s identity” is plenary and includes the authority to investigate and prosecute violations of any federal criminal laws related to the underlying alleged unauthorized disclosure, as well as federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, your investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted; and to pursue administrative remedies and civil sanctions (such as civil contempt) that are within the Attorney General’s authority to impose or pursue. Further, my conferral on you of the title of “Special Counsel” in this matter should not be misunderstood to suggest that your position and authorities are defined and limited by 28 CFR Part 600.
Sincerely,
October 23rd, 2005 at 9:08 pm/s/ James B. Comey James B. Comey
Acting Attorney General
I’m amazed that no newspaper, no magazine, no Sunday morning blabfest has pointed out that Bush knew the whole story two years ago and yet has repeatedly said he had no idea who leaked.
I sincerely hope he said the same thing to Patrick Fitzgerald, and I hope he is nailed for perjury with the rest of the charlatans in the White House.
Honor and dignity my ass.
October 23rd, 2005 at 9:11 pmPerjure this.
October 23rd, 2005 at 9:13 pmSorry, “Truth,” but the truth is that George Bush does not “stand up for the United States,” unless you consider his robber baron friends and his christofascist supporters to be the entirety of the United States. He has bankrupted our treasury, savaged the middle class, turned us into a rogue nation in the eyes of the rest of the world and mortgaged the future of our children and grandchildren to the Chinese. These things were not for the benefit of the good ol’ USofA, but he did them anyway.
Your post proves that there are none so blind as them who will not see.
October 23rd, 2005 at 9:35 pmPerjury over disclosure of the identity of a CIA agent (Bush-aka the Chimp) vs. perjury over disclosure of an extramarital affair. Absurd that our heroic right wing types hold the two in equal measure. I should add that the conspiracy over the outing of Plume was just the tip of a huge conspiracy to deceive Americans over the reasons for going to war smack in the middle of the Middle East. A war that has bilked us for literally billions of dollars in sweet heart deals, not to mention the perilous scenario they have created for years to come. Right wing fools will blindly follow their home team without questioning it’s dangerous ideals…
October 23rd, 2005 at 9:42 pm#68 Sure, G.W Bush and G.H.W. Bush.
October 23rd, 2005 at 10:05 pm[…] Now? Hutchinson: Indictments Should Be “On a Crime and Not Some Perjury Technicality†[…]
October 23rd, 2005 at 10:08 pm[…] Now? Hutchinson: Indictments Should Be “On a Crime and Not Some Perjury Technicality†[…]
October 23rd, 2005 at 10:12 pmShe was certainly pathetic and coached poorly. Russert has become as one dimensional Iright man. Texas deserves her like DC deserves Marion Berry. The candidates elected are just a mirror of the public who elects them, sorta like 2000 and the robed bandits.
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October 23rd, 2005 at 10:14 pmOf course during impeachment she sung a different tune, arguing the perjury and obstruction didn’t require an actual underlying crime. For more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ robert-schlesinger/ hutchison-used-to-think-d_b_9376.html
October 23rd, 2005 at 10:51 pmHey Robert -
Take a look at what Senator Hutchinson actually said to Tim Russert:
“And I’m not saying that those (perjury offenses) are not crimes. They are.â€
What is hypocritical about that? Nothing.
What is hypocritical is that moonbat leftists such as your loathsome self act like they suddenly care about national security and the protection of CIA covert agents, when in reality Democrats have been fighting for years to dismantle, destroy and discredit our national security aparatus.
The real hypocrites can be found on the political left.
October 24th, 2005 at 12:15 amHey “TheTruth” guy. Why aren’t you in Iraq? Or better yet how about going there and take a short stroll down the main drag. See how your hero bush has done in two and a half years.
October 24th, 2005 at 12:46 amHutchinson and technicalities:
Years ago, Ronnie Earle had a lock-down, leadpipe-cinch case against Kay Bailey Hutchinson that she had used government employees on “state time” to do her political stuff. DiGuerin, Delay’s attorney, got the venue shifted to a more sympathetic judge (i.e. Republican hack) who wouldn’t allow the evidence of Hutchinson’s crime admitted in the trial.
And what was the technicality the judge used? That Ronnie Earle had gathered his Hutchinson-is-guilty-as-sin evidence via a subpoena instead of via a search warrant. The funny thing is that I thought a subpoena was a legal form of search warrant, especially when trying to get to the truth of a situation.
So, without the evidence of Hutchinson’s guilt, Earle didn’t have much of a case…and he dropped it instead of appealing the Republican-hack judges ruling.
Too bad. If Hutchinson had been tried and convicted, then we probably wouldn’t see her up in Washington befouling the political process with her infernal neo-con agenda.
Oh, BTW, for those who don’t know, District Attorney Ronnie Earle has brought indictments against more Democratic politicians (4 to 1) than he has brought against Republican politicians. I just hope that Earle’s office learned from Hutchinson getting off the hook on a “technicality,” so when Tom Delay finally goes to trial over all his corruption he will not slip free and be able to continue to corrupt our democracy.
October 24th, 2005 at 12:51 amAttention all ye musically inclined:
We need a techno loop, disco mix, orchestral extravaganza, and every other musical idiom of:
RULE OF LAW
October 24th, 2005 at 12:53 amALL WE WANT IS THE TRUTH
The progressive Democrates who pulled this country out of the Great Depression and won World War II are remembered as being the leaders of the greatest generation. Today, because of corrupt, corporate criminal abbetting neo-ass kissing Republicans, our generation will be remembered as the lamest generation.
October 24th, 2005 at 1:21 amDemocrats have not tried to dismantle anything. It is just because of you conservatives that we want to not let that apparatus to get out of control. When you use the CIA assets or the militaries assets to replace the government of Iran a few decades ago that was done in the name of AMERICA. But not MY America. Yours. Remember who lead this country through WWII…The Democrats and the greatest generation. How many Democrat administrations, ever, have you seen starting unneccesary wars? Republicans?
October 24th, 2005 at 1:27 ambillkristol is a typical Republican talking head–talks a little funny, laughs a little funny, uses high-falutin’ words to try to conceal his Conservative dogmatism, and in the end–proves that he’s just a, well, blabbering talking head who doesn’t say much new or abstruse.
October 24th, 2005 at 1:53 amChrist, you leftist scumbags (sorry to all bags of scum) will stoop at nothing to defeat a leader who actually stands up for the United States.
Comment by TheTruth
Gee, sorta gives new meaning to “L’Etat, c’est Moi”:-)
October 24th, 2005 at 2:03 amNice stuff guys. Keep a rockin…
“Nixon - Now More then Ever”
Prophetic. I would rather have a burgler/liar/crook then a war-mongering NeoCon…anyday…
“Today, because of corrupt, corporate criminal abbetting neo-ass kissing Republicans, our generation will be remembered as the lamest generation.”
And by a wide margin at that. Literally only after we still have not adressed Koyoto.
October 24th, 2005 at 2:46 amThe president is not standing up for the United States. He is standing up for the US dollar and a pipeline that will go through Turkinmen, down through Afganistan, through Pakistan and into the Oman Gulf. How much would that be worth?? About 12 Trillion dollars. When you look at the Vice President who quite
October 24th, 2005 at 3:06 amHalliburton in 2000, then becomes the vice president. Did anyone ask what his wife was doing? “the truth”, I think the news has definately brain washed you, along with about 160 million other people in the US. People of the United States… wake up!!!!! Stop thinking your country is the only country in the world!!! This is a response to “the truth”.
I will donate my money and my time to anyone attempting to dethrone this hypocritical waste of a Senate seat.
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[…] That’s Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R) commenting on the Valerie Plame CIA disclosure case. […]
October 24th, 2005 at 6:04 amThis “theTruth” guy is a real retard. Another swift boat jerkoff hiding the hipocracy of his beleifs under the veil of a name that couldnt be more inapropriate. Since he’s probably a repressed cross-dressing pedophile who spent the better part of his childhood being fondled by his dad the overbearing anal-retentive preacher, I’ll rename him BabyRuthTruth. BRT, in truth, your hero Bush shouldn’t be impeached, because last time I checked, stupidily, gullibility, and malleability weren’t impeachable offenses. I beleive Georgie really did think he was hunting wascally WMD’s and tewwowists in Iraq. Rove and Cheney knew how to play the brain damaged coke head puppet. All they had to do was get some pics of some of the meanie, nasty things saddam did, and say “look georgie, look, hes a bad bad man. we need to bomb him. come on, if that pussy clinton fought a war without a single american casualty, so can we”. and like the alcohol addleded gimp that bush is, he went along with it. he never thought about the complications or complexities of the situation, because small minded babbling idiots like him and you see the world in fairy-tale terms of good and evil, black and white. the fact that most of the nastiest things saddam did was when Rummy and these other warmongering sociopaths shook his hands and sold him weapons isnt an irony georgie probably even knows about, must less dwels on. and why were these guys so keen on helping saddam? well, in a world without saddam, we are about to find out. civil war will be coming to iraq, and the wider middle east, very soon. mark my word. so BabeRuthTruth, puuuleeeze keep talking and making yourself look like the pathetic, inbred, hypocritical and unthinking douchebag that you and your ilk are. the more you talk, the less and less of an IQ is required to undertand that consistencey and logic are things you hide from with more desparation than you used to have while cowering in the dark hiding from daddy’s stiff member.
October 24th, 2005 at 6:12 amTo those thugs in the White House, NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW, now face the music of your treasonous deeds.
October 24th, 2005 at 8:33 am[…] Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson on lying about revealing a CIA agent’s classified identity (October 23, 2005) […]
October 24th, 2005 at 8:51 amIt’s important to remember that this isn’t “JUST” about outing an undercover CIA agent, though of course that would be serious enough to cause concern.
It’s ultimately about leading us into an unnecessary, unprovoked, and unjustifiable war. Recall that Plame was outed to punish her husband who disputed the “Niger Yellowcake Sold to Iraq” lies, one of the MAIN “reasons” we needed to get Saddam. Saddam couldn’t hit us. He couldn’t hit our allies in Europe. He couldn’t even hit Israel. (How can we know? IF he could’ve hit Israel, he would have. He’s an Arab Muslim. He LIVES to kill Jews.)
The Iraq war benefitted four groups of people:
1. The RNC
2. The Shi’ites of Iran and Iraq
3. The royal family of Saudi Arabia
4. The royal family of Kuwait
The main reason for the Iraq war was to establish a sitting “war presidency” that could win re-election on a tide of phony patriotism. They KNEW Al-qaeda would swarm into Iraq, so they were able to engage the “Al-qaeda For Kerry” meme. So they won the election. After that comes the real “PRIZE”: stocking the Supreme Court (and further stocking our Federal and Appeals courts) with right-wing nutjobs.
October 24th, 2005 at 9:19 amDamn, where was she during the Clinton impeachment hearings?
October 24th, 2005 at 10:15 amHey, Keithjoy, what does “He’s an Arab Muslim. He LIVES to kill Jews” mean? Are you really claiming that being an Arab Muslim means that killing Jews is your life’s mission? I’m hoping that that’s just a badly worded phrase and not what you really meant.
October 24th, 2005 at 10:17 amThink about this.
They got Martha Stewart on a Hutchinson technicality.
She got 5 months in prison.
I would be more than happy to see Rove, Cheney, Libby, Novak, Bush, etc. get an equal amount of time.
October 24th, 2005 at 10:34 am[…] Until more posting resumes, talk amongst yourself about the “technality” crime that is perjury. […]
October 24th, 2005 at 10:45 amOnce, just once I would love to see and hear a journalist and/or talking head with some back bone and cajones ask the sanctimonious and self righteous among the Republicans (pretty much means all, oops, I’m sorry, I mean - most)with all that is going on among the elected of your party - Rove and Libby, DeLay, Meirs, Frist, Bennett - would you be singing the same defensive song? Yes or No - no pontificating or bloviating - just yes or no! Make ‘em squirm.
October 24th, 2005 at 10:55 amOops! I meant if this was the Clinton administration! Brain too awfully mired and meshed in the nuttsery………….
October 24th, 2005 at 11:00 amYou are all right. I should go to prison. So should Libby, Cheney, Hadley, Feith, Rumsfeld, Bush, Frist, DeLay, Perle, Wolfowitz, Hastert, Novak, Miller, Matalin, Hughes, Gonzales, McClellan, Mehlman, and Bartlett. It’s where we belong. We are underminers of democracy, and we’re not fit to live in a free society. We deserve nothing better than to be traded around amongst other prisoners for packs of cigarettes. Thanks for letting me vent. I feel much better now.
Your friend,
October 24th, 2005 at 12:05 pmKarl
Perjury was exactly what the Clinton impeachment was all about. What the HELL is this woman talking about.
October 24th, 2005 at 12:21 pmKarl,
October 24th, 2005 at 12:27 pmthanks for chiming in, we look forward to seeing you and your pals in orange jumpsuits.
Just say no to the NeoScum—
October 24th, 2005 at 12:36 pmSuch as that old-whore-douch-bag-KayHutchinson.
She is the queen of Texas NeoScum.==and her Prince Charming is the Gov. Cornholeryn…
[…] Perjury regarding the outing of a CIA agent? A technicality. […]
October 24th, 2005 at 12:44 pmPerjury? I don’t see the act itself as the big issue, but rather the reason behind the act is the question. With the WH spin docs pushing that the outing of plame was not a crime, you have to ask: If Rove, Libby (and others higher ups) believed that the laws governing the identities of covert agents didn’t apply, then why a) leak annonymously, and b) commit perjury to cover it up? This seems to suggest, that the intent was indeed to out a covert agent, and that the WH believe that this is what they were doing. So, if you can’t get em for what they thought they were doing, get em for what they did…
October 24th, 2005 at 12:50 pmAren’t these the same folks who wanted clinton’s head on a platter for lying about who he had sex with or as Ms. Hutchinson puts it “a little technicality”? Where was the “serious” underlying crime there? Sex?
They crack me up. Impeach a president for lying about a personal, private matter, but it is of no consequence if lies are told which drag a country into war and in the end result in a serious loss of life. We have no idea the damage that has been done by outing Valerie Plame. Many of her contacts could have been killed for all we know.
October 24th, 2005 at 12:51 pmLest we forget, that whatever the impeachment votes may have said to the contrary, when Clinton stood and proclaimed that he “did not have sexual relations” it was a statment based on legally agreed terms between his legal team, the prosection team and the special prosecutor that oral sex did not constituate sexual relations. It may have been wrong, but it wasn’t perjury. The rest of the perjury crap about this (Clinton) is just indignant GOP outrage that had and has no legal basis.
The perjury in testimony before the Fitzgerald Grand Jury is real ….
October 24th, 2005 at 1:00 pmKay says a lot about her own character when she treats perjury as something trivial.
October 24th, 2005 at 1:07 pmI dont even know this Hutchinson, but I saw the video. Wow what an unsophisticated, scary, old lady. Like the old, controlling neighbor lady who’s lived in her small po-dunk town forever, and doesn’t know squat about the rest of the world. This Hutchinson lady didn’t even know she was being talked to, like her brain was not capable of computing the issue being presented. She is so locked in her ways that she cannot comprehend any talk which is outside of her beliefs. She may very well be the reflection of her constituants, red-neck, bass-ackward, dumb shits.
October 24th, 2005 at 1:26 pm