From the CBS Evening News, to air at 6:30PM:
CBS’ JOHN ROBERTS: Lawyers familiar with the case think Wednesday is when special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald will make known his decision, and that there will be indictments. Supporters say Rove and the vice president’s chief of staff, Scooter Libby, are in legal jeopardy. But they insisted today the two are secondary players, that it was an unidentified Mr. X who actually gave the name of CIA agent V alerie Plame to reporters. Fitzgerald knows who Mr. X is, they say, and if he isn’t indicted, there’s no way Rove or Libby should be. But charges may not focus on the leak at all. Obstruction of justice or perjury are real possibilities. Did Rove or Libby change statements made under oath? Did they deliberately leave critical facts out of their testimony or did they honestly forget? Some Republicans urged Rove to step down if indicted. Not a happy prospect for president Bush.
Any guesses on the identity of Mr. X?
UPDATE: This bit from the CBS segment is also interesting –
SCHIEFFER: John, I am very interested in Mr. X. Is there any clue or hint as to whether he be - maybe someone who outranks Libby and Rove or would he be a lower-ranking official?
ROBERTS: The best guess is that Mr. X, even though his name is not known and some people are just speculating on who he might be or she might be, is somebody who is actually outside the White House, and in that case would be of a lower rank that both Rove and Libby.
Chezzeny!
October 25th, 2005 at 6:01 pmI want it to be Darth Cheney too.
However, rumor has it that it isn’t anyone inside the White House.
Danggit!
(I sure hope I’m wrong tho!)
October 25th, 2005 at 6:03 pmMr. X??????
CBS?????
Oh God, please don’t let it be Bill Burkett
Are you ready for Bush 2.2?
New on EWM: White House Sets Job Fair
October 25th, 2005 at 6:03 pmProbably Ari Fleischer–but that’s one step closer to the W.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:03 pmWell, I don’t think it’s Cheney because he wouldn’t be considered a “secondary player” to Rove and Libby. My money is on John Hannah.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:04 pmChe che Cheeeney…
October 25th, 2005 at 6:04 pmChain of fools
Rush Limbaugh! (I wish)
October 25th, 2005 at 6:06 pmI believe there is a good chance that Cheney will be among a half dozen or so indictments. We can only hope!
October 25th, 2005 at 6:06 pmFred Fleitz.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:08 pmIt’s gotta be Cheney.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:08 pmOh, and a note to Judd who commented earlier. The article says Rove and Libby are the secondary players to Mr. X, not the other way around.
So that leaves just two men, Cheney and Bush.
Bush doesn’t have the brains for this, so it’s gotta be Cheney.
bush himself. like nixon didn’t know. busha dunno nothing neither
October 25th, 2005 at 6:09 pmFor a complete collection of the latest PlameGate news, briefings, timelines, statutes and other essential documents, see:
“The Rove/PlameGate Scandal Resource Center.”
October 25th, 2005 at 6:09 pmChristmas comes early this year - yippeee!
Ari would be nice. Why not make it harder for the warmonger’s mouthpieces!
October 25th, 2005 at 6:10 pmAll I can think of is “Professor Xavier”. However, I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have been involved.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:10 pmWho’ll be the new puppetmaster? And they thought Monkey Boy was dumb before?
October 25th, 2005 at 6:10 pmWell, I think it’s secondary players in the scheme, not status. Alas.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:11 pmPerhaps Mr. X is pictured here.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:12 pmTenant would be my guess, 2nd guess, a new name - Bolton
October 25th, 2005 at 6:12 pmIt should also be noted, in all this discussion of the indictments coming down the pike tomorrow, that Fitzgerald has a history of issuing initial indictments, and following up with more, and more. He’s an aboslutely meticulous, relentless, brilliant prosecutor, and if he can use initial indictments as leverage to gather more information, he will.
It is very interesting, moreover, that the intial indictments will be sealed. From the comments of lawyers on this, that fact implies that there’s more going on than meets the eye, and that Fitzgerald has more in store. One thing at a time.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:13 pmPeople should look at http://www.prisonplanet.com for the truth.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:14 pmNot sure about this but http://www.tomflocco.com is an interesting one.
How about “Jeff Gannon” (James Guckert)??
October 25th, 2005 at 6:15 pmMaybe it is not a Mr. Perhaps it is Mary Matalin. Her hubby has been very tame lately on CNN.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:16 pmI’m votin’ for Bolton
October 25th, 2005 at 6:16 pmalso, remember, this is from supporters who are trying to say it’s not REALLY Rove and the Libster’s fault. It doesn’t mean it’s true.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:19 pmJust the fact that Fitzgerald might let the public know what’s going on BEFORE late Friday shows that he’s independent.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:19 pmAs to Mr(s) X, I wonder how they’ll try to smooth over why some lower staffer had a “Need to Know” confidential info like the status of Ms. Wilson/Plame?
Mr.”X”is John Bolton
October 25th, 2005 at 6:20 pmI think Mr.X is Tenet. He won’t be indicted, but Rove/Libby will use this a their ‘defense’ and to point fingers at democrats.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:21 pmMr. X is either George Tenet or Chalabi.
Query. CNN reported on the day that Tenet resigned, Bush consulted a private attorney.
Hmmm. Why would that be necessary?
Matthew
October 25th, 2005 at 6:21 pmI’m saying Bolton as well. His MO fits, would explain why the NSA intercepts weren’t released, and why Bush gave him a recess appointment.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:21 pmMy money’s on Steven Hadley for Mr. X.
Maybe he’ll roll and tell us something about condi.
I was gonna say “roll over on Condi” but that was just too creepy . . .
October 25th, 2005 at 6:22 pmBill Clinton? Actually, my guess is the walrus, John Bolton. Sneaky bastard.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:22 pmWell if it were Bolton, would this explain his prison visit (or was it a call) to Judith Miller?
matthew
October 25th, 2005 at 6:23 pmCould it be…… dare I say it……Colin Powell?!?! Who was more discredited than he? His resignation, offhand, scathing remarks by his former chief of staff, and his silence leave possible clues to ponder. He would regret the needless loss of U.S. troops more than the chicken hawks, and was made to lie to the world, decieved by intentionally distorted and fabricated intelligence reports. If the story is true, Colin would have a beef with a VP who took over his job.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:24 pmMr. X is the one who “gave the name of CIA agent Valerie Plame to reporters”????
Who cares who gave the name? You can ID her as Wilson’s wife, and the damage is done. Sounds like pre-indictment first-strike spin from Rove and Libby: “someone else _gave the name_” and “well, jeez, we should not be indicted if Mr. X isn’t . . .”
Here is the nascent GOP spin:
1 “But they insisted today the two are secondary players . . .”
2 “Fitzgerald knows who Mr. X is, they say, and if he isn’t indicted, there’s no way Rove or Libby should be.”
I call bullsh!t. We are being played.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:24 pm[…] John Roberts at CBS News is also reporting that tomorrow is I-day and that there is an heretofore unidentified Mr. X who first leaked the Plame name to reporters. Roberts speculates that Mr. X is outside the White House. […]
October 25th, 2005 at 6:25 pmJames Guckert aka Jeff Gannon
October 25th, 2005 at 6:26 pmFor more on Plamegate, check out this blog:
The Agenda Gap
October 25th, 2005 at 6:26 pmIt is a good thing he is indicting tomorrow so Bush can pardon whoever may be indicted and this can be an old story by friday.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:27 pmRepublicans are saying that nothing illegal was done. Yet, a CIA agent was outed, the related operation was destroyed, and other agents lives were put at risk. Despite this, the republicans want us to believe that no one should be held responsible. Never mind the fact that Karl Rove and Scooter Libby leaked her identity thereby exposing her life to danger and outing her in the process. If they didn’t know she was undercover, which I doubt, they should be prosecuted for negligent endangerment. What business does two senior white house officials have leaking a CIA agents identity to the press, especially if they don’t know what her status may be? How irresponsible and negligent is that? If its not illegal it should be.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:28 pmIt could be Ari, if one buys the ‘outside the WH’ rumors. But my money is on David Wurmser. And the allegation will be that he provided the info on Plame to reporters at the express direction of Libby, and possibly Cheney.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:29 pmI’m putting the best odds on Bolton.
Second best odds: Hannah
Who I want it to be: W
October 25th, 2005 at 6:29 pmWho I’d next most want it to be: Cheney
Mr. X = Grover Norquist
October 25th, 2005 at 6:29 pmYosemite Sam Bolton’s turning on the White House doesn’t add up to me — he’s got what he wants.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:29 pmHannah and Wurmser may be the underlings who blew the whistle and cut a deal.
A secret Mr. X? Amyone think it could be Powell?
Aint no x in my name, bitches.
–
October 25th, 2005 at 6:30 pmMy guess it’s more like Mr. XXX, Jeff Gannon/Guckert himself, the male escort.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:30 pmI would say Truman Capote, but isn’t he dead?
OK then, maybe Ann Coulter? Just a secret wish, perhaps, but I must dream my little dreams.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:30 pmIt’s all of them, actually. It’s the Republican Party, the corporate community and conservatism in general, among others. Regardless what befalls these really rotten Bush bastards, that’s the lesson the American people must learn. And very likely they will not.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:30 pmMr. X=Ari the Liar.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:31 pmIt’s probably David Wurmser.
Via RawStory:
“David Wurmser, then a Middle East adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney on loan from the office of then-Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs John Bolton, met with Cheney and his chief of staff I. Lewis “Scooter†Libby in June 2003 and told Libby that Plame set up the Wilson trip. He asserted that it was a boondoggle, the sources said.”
http://rawstory.com/ news/ 2005/ Cheney_aide_passed_Plames_name_to_1024.html
October 25th, 2005 at 6:33 pmIt’s Fitzmas Eve!
October 25th, 2005 at 6:33 pmI’ll throw in ten bucks and the name David Wurmser. Hannah’s lawyer’s stern denial was too direct for it to be him, IMO.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:34 pmBolton.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:36 pmYou guess all you want and tomorrow I will tell you who was indicted the foirsr time around. Tonight I am going to be chilling the bubbly and cooking up the Horses Douvers! Merry Fitzmas!
October 25th, 2005 at 6:36 pmBolton is a good guess, Tenet (not “tenant”) is definitely in the loop, but
October 25th, 2005 at 6:39 pmhave you all seen this? La
Repubblica’s Scoop, ConfirmedBerlusconi, ever eager to please Bush,
and Nicolo Pollari, his chief of SISMI, or Mil. Intel., arranged for the theft
of letterhead stationery from the Nigerien Embassy in Rome, that later appeared
in W’s SoU speech.
I suggest it was all done with the SPECIAL ASSISTANCE OF MICHAEL
LEDEEN, who is according to Ray McGovern a close assoc of the Italians,
and who quotes from his personal Italian copy of the works of Machiavelli in a
very revealing piece of his at the American Enterprise Inst. Machiavelli
for Moderns.
His Personal Dossier at AEI says:
Mr. X = Newt Gingrich (IMHO). Do a Yahoo search on “Newt Gingrich and Dick Cheney visits to CIA Iraq” - there are many hits. I would bet that he is the White House outsider. Check it out.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:40 pmDo you have to answer a question that was never asked?
What if Cheney was with Miller and Libby when Ms. Plame was outed. It would explain why Miller “protected” her source for 85 days. Using Libby as a diversion to protect Cheney.
Cheney is a source to protect.
Did the special prosecutor ask if others were present in their conversations, such as the informal lunch?
October 25th, 2005 at 6:42 pmDid CBS get this news from the guy who gave them the TANG memos?
Anyways.. we know that the end of this Liberal charade will occur tomorrow.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:43 pmThey just showed the clip on CBS…no mention of Mr. X at all, but lots of focus on Cheney as lying, though not committing a crime.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:43 pmIt’s someone with a tie to Bolton.
Why do you think the White House wouldn’t release the docs from Bolton’s request for CIA files on certain individuals. I’d be willing to bet that Joe Wilson was on that list.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:43 pmNo one will be indicted because no crime was committed. The only person that lied in the whole situation was Joe Wilson.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:44 pmThat is so not the conversation Schiffer had with Roberts on the midwest 5:30 feed. Roberts, paraphrased, fell back on saying that no one close to the case wants to go on record about indictments right now.
Did Fitz crack down some? Or is CBS resourcing it’s scoop?
October 25th, 2005 at 6:44 pmJust watched the CBS news and the entire conversation quoted above was not included in the report.
Why not?
Time pressure? Or some other kind of pressure?
October 25th, 2005 at 6:46 pmCould it be Tony Blair?
October 25th, 2005 at 6:47 pmgrover norquist
October 25th, 2005 at 6:48 pmCan somebody delete my prev. try (#54)? You don’t have a preview button so my linewraps were bad. This is the same, better I hope.
Bolton is a good guess, Tenet (not “tenant”) is definitely in the loop, but have you all seen this? La
Repubblica’s Scoop, Confirmed
Berlusconi, ever eager to please Bush, and Nicolo Pollari, his chief of SISMI, or Mil. Intel., arranged for the theft of letterhead stationery from the Nigerien Embassy in Rome, that later appeared in W’s SoU speech.
I suggest it was all done with the SPECIAL ASSISTANCE OF MICHAEL LEDEEN, who is according to Ray McGovern a close assoc of the Italians, and who quotes from his personal Italian copy of the works of Machiavelli in a very revealing piece of his at the American Enterprise Inst.
Machiavelli for Moderns.
His Personal Dossier at AEI says:
October 25th, 2005 at 6:49 pmCome on Fitz, don’t disappoint America:
Bring this fucking Bush cabal down!
Yipppppppppeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
October 25th, 2005 at 6:50 pmI’ll have 10 USD on Ari Fleischer, please. “Outside the White House” is great dissembling.
If it turns out to mean truly never-inside-the-white-house/administration, I’ll go for 5 on Gannon and 5 on Fleitz, please..
October 25th, 2005 at 6:50 pmHow about Andy Card?
And it wouldn’t be suprising if it were indeed Cheney!
The question is will Bush see the damage done to him and FINALLY fire someone for incompetence.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:50 pm#60: No need to debate the obvious with you. You’ll learn the truth in the next couple of days.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:50 pmPatrick Fitzgerald really needs to stop leaking information like this to the press. We know he’s a desperate prosecutor who is trying to indict somebody for something to save face.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:51 pmPS:
“The only person that [sic] lied was Joe Wilson?”
I love it. So there were in fact WMD, and the aluminum pipes were what Judy Miller said they were, and we were in imminent danger of being blown up by nuclear weapons, and Saddam and Osama were allies and planned 9/11 together.
Oh, and Fitz is a stooge of the lefties.
Clearly it’s all a “liberal charade” and Ted Kennedy is behind it. No, maybe it’s Margaret Cho!
October 25th, 2005 at 6:51 pmits bolton. if not, Wurmser. bet the house on one of these two NeoClowns
October 25th, 2005 at 6:52 pmThat was yesterday’s CBS News broadcast.
Tonight, Roberts said there was ‘at least one’ indictment coming, and that the targets had been informed. No ‘Mr X.’ talk tonight.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:52 pm[No one will be indicted because no crime was committed. The only person that lied in the whole situation was Joe Wilson.
Comment by rdn — October 25, 2005 @ 6:44 pm]
Pure, unadulterated insanity.
Why did the CIA pursue this?
Why did John Ashcroft recuse himself?
Why do we know the name of Brewster Jennings?
The Senate investigation proved Wilson did not lie.
You should try honesty and reality. It’ll be a shock to the system, but you’ll survive.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:53 pmDon’t stop believin’, RDN. Hold onto that feelin’.
Besides, shouldn’t you wait for tomorrow’s Squawking Points in order to know what to say?
do I sense a shiver, RDN?
October 25th, 2005 at 6:53 pmOh please God…
Dubya - I’d pee in my pants….
October 25th, 2005 at 6:54 pmDid CBS get this news from the guy who gave them the TANG memos?
Anyways.. we know that the end of this Liberal charade will occur tomorrow.
Gary…you sound…surprisingly nervous…
October 25th, 2005 at 6:54 pmWhy did the CIA pursue this?
Typical procedure. It happens all the time.
Why did John Ashcroft recuse himself?
To shut leftists like you up.
Why do we know the name of Brewster Jennings?
Because Valerie Plame put it down as her job when she donated money to Al Gore.
The Senate investigation proved Wilson did not lie.
What investigation?
October 25th, 2005 at 6:56 pmAnother question to the Forum-
If Rove and Libby are cellies, I wonder who’ll be the Pitcher and who’ll be the Catcher?
October 25th, 2005 at 6:56 pmNeD, IRI, CC, RDN- any bets?
Gary,
For your reading enjoyment, from Andy McCarthy at the National Review Online:
I’m too busy today to be monitoring the media, but Ive gotten a lot of questions about this from people who say some conservatives are hitting the airwaves with preemptive suggestions that my friend Pat Fitzgerald may not be as apolitical as his press clippings indicate. In particular, I am being pointed to favorable comments made by Senator Schumer about Pat’s competence and integrity.
Let me just say this. Pat is at least as apolitical as his press clippings suggest. And just because Senator Schumer says something doesn’t make it wrong.
Pat Fitzgerald is the best prosecutor I have ever seen. By a mile. He is also the straightest shooter I have ever seen - by at least that much. And most importantly, he is a good man.
This investigation has gone on for 22 months. Most of the evidence was collected before autumn 2004 - the last year of delay has mainly been caused by reporters challenging subpoenas in the federal courts.
If Pat were political - or, worse, if he somehow had it in for the Bush administration - it was fully within his power to return indictments in the weeks before the November elections, which would almost certainly have cinched things for Senator Kerry. It is something, I am quite certain, it would never even have occurred to him to do. The only thing the guy I know would do is bring charges or close the case without charges when the facts of the investigation warranted doing so.
I suppose McCarthy’s a Bush-hatin’ liberal too, now?
October 25th, 2005 at 6:56 pmDream of Mr. X:
Feith, Wolfie, Rummy?
October 25th, 2005 at 6:57 pmI say it’s Wurmser, but I agree with some of the comments from above that we are being played a bit here. If the only charges are perjury and obstruction of justice and they aren’t able to nail the traitor that did this heinous deed, it’s not much to celebrate because they will have gotten away with the crime.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:59 pmIf the Rove and Libby are secondary players, then Cheney is Mr. X.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:59 pmWhy did the CIA pursue this?
Typical procedure. It happens all the time.
I see. So, Gary (since you apparently are a lawyer who knows all about this), is it standard procedure for the Justice Department to approve a special prosecutor to follow up on these bogus, routine charges when there’s so obviously nothing to them?
Just curious as to your experienced, legal opinion.
October 25th, 2005 at 6:59 pm[…] BREAKING: CBS To Report Fitzgerald Will Make His Decision Known Tomorrow La Repubblica’s Scoop, Confirmed […]
October 25th, 2005 at 6:59 pmAny chance that John Bolton will be snared in this first round of indictments?
October 25th, 2005 at 6:59 pmThe REAL story is the bogus documents. Again, the REAL STORY is the bogus documents used by Bush/Cheney to trump up a war. See link below:
October 25th, 2005 at 7:00 pmhttp://www.prospect.org/ web/ page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=10506
Mr X could be Karen Hughes.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:00 pm#
“Why did the CIA pursue this?
Typical procedure. It happens all the time.
Why did John Ashcroft recuse himself?
To shut leftists like you up.
Why do we know the name of Brewster Jennings?
Because Valerie Plame put it down as her job when she donated money to Al Gore.
The Senate investigation proved Wilson did not lie.
What investigation?
Comment by Gary Ruppert — October 25, 2005 @ 6:56 pm”
“My God- the straws are…slipping…right through my… fingers!” - Gary
October 25th, 2005 at 7:01 pmjparker,
October 25th, 2005 at 7:02 pmYou got that impression, too? I’m seeing a wingnut in a full-on meltdown. It’s kind of fascinating, in a slow-motion-train-wreck sort of way.
[…] This post indicates that there was sertain Mister X who, besides Rove and Libby, was giving Plame identity. […]
October 25th, 2005 at 7:03 pmYeah- it would be sad if it weren’t fun
October 25th, 2005 at 7:03 pmHey “Gary Ruppert”. The real story is the bogus documents:
http://www.prospect.org/ web/ page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=10506
Looks like your boys have blood all over them.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:03 pmIf someone within the White House told someone outside the government of this highly classified info, isn’t that, in itself, a crime…or not?
October 25th, 2005 at 7:03 pm“Why do we know the name of Brewster Jennings?
Because Valerie Plame put it down as her job when she donated money to Al Gore.”
Sigh. If the basic concept of a front operation is lost on you, what chance do you have of dealing with complimacated, grownup things like perjury and non-proliferation?
Run along to LGF and play with the other children, eh?
October 25th, 2005 at 7:04 pmThe White House war on Joe Wilson isn’t the exception to the rule. It is the rule.
Finally, President George W. Bush is being punished for his “Politics of Payback”. After five years of savage and baseless attacks on the likes of Richard Clarke, General Eric Shinseki, Paul O’Neill, Jim Jeffords, and Richard Foster, the small, mean-spirited, venal and vengeful George W. Bush is paying the price…
For the full story, see:
“Blowback: Bush, Plame and the Politics of Payback.”
October 25th, 2005 at 7:04 pm[…] The System Works. The wheels of justice grind slowly, but grind they do, and they grind the bad guys into dust. BREAKING: CBS To Report Fitzgerald Will Make His Decision Known Tomorrow […]
October 25th, 2005 at 7:04 pmDavid Wurmser. I thought it had pretty well discussed in the lefty blogosphere. As Raw Story reported, Wurmser was perfect: aide in VP Cheney’s office tasked to infight with CIA on interpretation of intelligence data and on loan from Bolton’s office. A real neocon, I think.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:05 pmNothing in the quoted material suggests the indictments will be limited to only three people.
It seems that attorneys for Rove and Libby are saying, if Fizty does not indict the other leaker, then it won’t be a fair or legitimate process, and not fair to indict them for conspiracy, obstruction or perjury. This is defendent counterspin.
The odds are this CBS-hyped X-man, if he/she is a WH outsider, could be Hannah, Matalin, Fleisher or anyone in Bolton’s shop at State.
But since we have consistent reports that Wurmser and hannah have flipped, and many speculations that Fleisher did as well, then who knows.
I’m sure Libby and Rove’s attorneys know the identity of the other key leaker, whom Novak spun as “no partisan hack.”
But the key thing to remember is this: the transcript above does not preclude the possibility that more than three people will be indicted.
Unless there is significant material from the broadcast not included here, don’t assume there are only three perps.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:05 pmCould be “Gigi” (Gannon/Gueckert) and John Roberts would know because he’s the one who showed “Gigi” around the White House when he first arrived.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:06 pm[…] BREAKING: CBS To Report Fitzgerald Will Make His Decision Known Tomorrow […]
October 25th, 2005 at 7:06 pm“Did CBS get this news from the guy who gave them the TANG memos?”
“Anyways.. we know that the end of this Liberal charade will occur tomorrow.”
Comment by Gary Ruppert — October 25, 2005 @
Hehehe….you mean the ones that were never PROVEN to be bogus? The ones that outlined how Dubya is an AWOL COWARD AND LIAR? Funny world. Bush criminally shirks his TANG commitments, and Rather gets discredited for it. Go figure.
Something tells me these lying bastards aren’t going to find Fitz as easy to railroad.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:06 pmJames Wolsey… Didn’t he once head up the CIA? And isnt’ he one of those (neo)cons?
October 25th, 2005 at 7:07 pmCheck out
http://quickseason.blogspot.com/ 2005/ 10/ this-is-not-your-fathers-cover-up.html
and have your dreams come true!
October 25th, 2005 at 7:07 pmGEORGE TENET
Novak said he got it from somebody who wasn’t a blatant partisan. Who would know the CIA roster better than Tenet?
October 25th, 2005 at 7:08 pmPaulette, oooh, Woolsey is a juicy name to add to the mix. He’s up to his eyeballs in Neocon/CIA slime. Haven’t heard his name at all on this though.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:10 pmI was brought up in a small middle class hard working town in PA.. And during my life I was told that anyone who speaks out of the side of his mouth is “full of shit”. Another words someone who may not be trusted and someone who is full of hot air.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:15 pmAs I follow the present Administration from the (s)election of president in the year 2000, to the 9/11 event on the twin towers, the midterm selections and the (s)election of 2004 I have grown more and skeptical of the real world around us in this U.S.A..
THe BIG DICK is the man in trouble … that is Dick Cheney.. the Vice PResident of the US…
IN my estimation the man is the real thing … he is BIG TROUBLE… If anyone to topple, he is IT..
Especially when most everything with public intentions was done in private … that is our defense strategy.. our energy policy … who knows what else …
the need to schmooze some our supreme judges.. and the need to develop fear in those who question his motives..
His advantage is he was not elected and he knows it …
I just watched the 7 o,clock CBS News all references to Mr. X etc., are gone! What’s up?
October 25th, 2005 at 7:15 pmIt’s Bush. Why else would the White House be trying to make a sacificial lamb of Cheney the last 2 days? However, he will be fully exonerated because he’s been in a coma longer than Terri Schiavo, the sixties to be more precise.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:20 pmI’m betting it’s Ken Mehlman. He’s a Rove protege, with ethics and integrity (lack of) comparable to Rove’s and he’s tight with Novakula. Just a guess.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:21 pmAri ?
October 25th, 2005 at 7:22 pmPerhaps they are going to indict some of the lower down figures first and then work their way up?
Or are they going to do a shotgun and blast everyone at once?
October 25th, 2005 at 7:24 pmOf course Mr. X is Cheney. He and Rove run everything.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:25 pmThis is interesting:
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/woolsey/woolsey.php
It seems Woolsey profiteered very nicely from war with Iraq. He has a colorful bio and he’s well connected inside AND outside of Washington.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:25 pmThis is also very interesting:
http://home.earthlink.net/ ~platter/ neo-conservatism/ woolsey.html
October 25th, 2005 at 7:28 pmEveryone knows I am Mr. X!
http://www.mrxswebpage.com/
October 25th, 2005 at 7:28 pmWhat “Mr. X”? Reporters have already fingered Rove and Libby. Are they saying the reporters are lying? And anyway,this is “Scooter and Karl said,” which only means they are spinning to make themselves look less guilty. That’s all I see here. At this point, i would be disinclined to believe anything Scooter and Karl put out there.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:29 pmHehehe….you mean the ones that were never PROVEN to be bogus?
Fake, but accurate, right?
If the basic concept of a front operation is lost on you, what chance do you have of dealing with complimacated, grownup things like perjury and non-proliferation?
If Plame never put down Brewster Jennings on that form, we would have never known about it.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:33 pmSeriously, this CBS report is GOP spin.
1. Rove and Libby are “minor players”
2. If “Mr. X” is not indicted, then there’s no way Rove and Libby should be
The Rove/Libby camps got target letters and now they throw this out there. It is even possible that Mr. X is a figment of Karl Rove’s imagination (or at least Mr. X’s culpability is); having run out of real fall guys, they will make one up if need be.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:35 pmIt’s either Bill Clinton or Hillary Clinton, one of them told Cheney ,who told Karl, who told Scooter, who told Bob, who told Judy, because we all know, everything is always “the Clinton’s fault”
October 25th, 2005 at 7:36 pmMy dream list: chimpy,veep,turd-b, scooter and and and
October 25th, 2005 at 7:41 pmROBERT NOVAK!
Umm, Gary? This is called treason. Time to wake up.
[Wolf Blitzer: Does the CIA believe that there was damage done to US national security as a result of Valerie Plame Wilson’s name being leaked?
David Ensor, CNN National Security Correspondent: I’m told that in the day that it was leaked there was a quick look done, as there routinely would be, at whether there was damage. Officials simply won’t go into the details, but I did speak to one official who did say yes, there was damage, this woman had a long career and she was posing as someone else, and all those people who saw her now know that she wasn’t the person they thought that they were dealing with.]
October 25th, 2005 at 7:42 pmI am amused and bewildered when I read comments from Gary and others who refuse to accept the hard truth. Americans do not want to see their Government in turmoil. Americans do not want this to get any worse than it already has. I don’t know anybody who is actually “happy” to see what has happened to our government. Gary and others have the mistaken notion that some of us want to see our government in disarray. That is not the case. For myself I can say that I want those guilty of perpetuation a crime against America (be it perjury, treason, willful negligence….take your pick) to be held accountable.
I think it is worth reading Pat Buchanan’s perspective on this issue. Surely Gary and those agree with him, can not claim that that Buchanan is a weak liberal.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=9161
October 25th, 2005 at 7:42 pmJOHN BOLTON JOHN BOLTON JOHN BOLTON!
October 25th, 2005 at 7:42 pmI also suspect tomorrow night by this time, W will be walking the halls talking to the paintings in a drunken and cocaine induced stupor–just like Tricky Dick.
Imagine what its going to be like when he gets to his Daddy’s paintin’!
“Daddy, I done gone got myself in a fix! Help me Daddy, Help me!”
October 25th, 2005 at 7:45 pmMichael Ledeen, described as Rove’s brain concerning foreign policy, could be the elusive “Mr. X”.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:45 pmIf Plame never put down Brewster Jennings on that form, we would have never known about it.
Gary,
Come on, man, this is really straightforward stuff.
- The fact that Valerie Wilson existed was not a secret.
- The fact that Valerie Wilson worked for Brewster Jennings was not a secret; in fact, it was part of her cover.
- That is one reason why outing her as a NOC was a BAD THING — other secrets were also exposed in cascade fashion.
This is so blazingly simple and obvious even a child could grasp it. Do you really expect us to believe that you honestly don’t?
October 25th, 2005 at 7:46 pmRuppert.I challenge you to show us one single credible shred of evidence that the documents Rather based his assertions on were forgeries or fakes, or contained false information. Anyone that has done even cursury investigation into Bush’s treatment of his TANG responsibilities knows he was an AWOL coward that managed to escape justice because daddy pulled the lying coccaine snorting drunken whelp out of hot water.
http://bushnews.com/awol.htm
October 25th, 2005 at 7:47 pmMichael Jackson!
October 25th, 2005 at 7:47 pmI’m listening to the news………it’s Cheney.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:47 pm#122 - BelmontShore - That’s pretty intense. Why are we not hearing more about this? I know, stupid question.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:49 pmPaulette,
Remember after 9/11 when some other mysterious Mr. X had made large investments on “put” options in United and American airlines? I guarantee Woolsey knows who did that deed, Cheney knows too.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:49 pmWhen you combine naming a CIA Agent, with Brewster Jennings and then say that no company exists, it kinda threatens the entire CIA brass plate company set up over 20 years ago, to investigate nuclear proliferation, at a time when NP was the country’s greatest fear.
That’s T-R-E-A-S-O-N.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:52 pmAnd Woolsey was also palsy-walsy with Chalabi AND Cheney and I suspect Judy Miller too.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:52 pmI need the sanity of Keith olbermann coming right up!
[#122 - BelmontShore - That’s pretty intense. Why are we not hearing more about this? I know, stupid question.
Comment by Paulette — October 25, 2005 @ 7:49 pm]
Because the “liberal” media won’t ask serious and direct questions of the government. Because the Senate Intelligence Committee is headed by Pat Roberts, who is HELLBENT on obfuscating, frustrating and stonewalling any inquiries about this violation of national security and Act of Treason. Pat Roberts is a disgrace, in a Party of disgraces.
October 25th, 2005 at 7:55 pmwho?
October 25th, 2005 at 7:58 pmThat is one reason why outing [Plame] as a NOC was a BAD THING — other secrets were also exposed in cascade fashion.
Plame was not covert after she was outed by Aldrich Ames
October 25th, 2005 at 7:59 pmDream of Mr. X: Feith, Wolfie, Rummy? Comment by Mick — October 25, 2005 @ 6:57 pm
If it is someone outside the White House my guess would be Bolton, but he supposedly wasn’t interviewed. That would help explain the visits to Miller when she was in jail.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:00 pmIf Mr. X is inside the CIA, all hell will break loose. This would put Fitzgerald at the epicenter of the CIA-White House stovepipe for Iraq-intelligence.
I believe, however, Mr. X is likely to be David Wurmser. My head also tells me Fitzgerald might only reprimand officials for questionable conduct instead of handing indictments. I hope I’m wrong.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:01 pm[Plame was not covert after she was outed by Aldrich Ames
Comment by Gary Ruppert — October 25, 2005 @ 7:59 pm]
Wow. No wonder you’re a Repug. You’re only interested in spewing lies, half truth and more lies. When shut down, you just create the next red herring and/or lie. Constantly moving, trying desperately not to be pinned down or have to admit you/they are wrong.
Pathetic.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:04 pmA word to the Republicans/”conservatives” posting here who continue to defend Bush, Cheney, et al. Have you no shame? Bush hasn’t done enough damage to this country yet that you would cheer him on to do more? Not enough innocent young men, women and children have died yet in Iraq to satisfy you? Our country’s infrastructure hasn’t collapsed enough yet for you because this administration would rather waste money bombing and then rebuilding Iraq and lining the pockets of Halliburton instead of spending on improving the United States? The environment hasn’t been disregarded and put aside enough yet in your opinion because this administration would rather kowtow to the whims of oil companies/corporations? Wake up and drop the poser BS. We all know you hate to be wrong, but let’s face it: This administration is the most corrupt of any, ever. It’s not worth defending. Why not defend the United States instead against the true terrorists: Bush and company.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:05 pmSomebody, somewhere, wants a DO OVER!
These are people who want to break the rules and live their lives on the edge of the rules. They deserve everything they get.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:07 pmGary,
Did you read my link in #122? I doubt it, because if you did, you would stop posting your desperate comments.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:08 pm“BelmontShore - That’s pretty intense. Why are we not hearing more about this? I know, stupid question.”
Because no one was listening……
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2004/ 01/ 22/ politics/ 22INTE.html?position=&ei=5070&en=57eeecaeef4b0bc6&hp=&ex=1130385600&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=print&adxnnlx=1130285525-doTXIigdgtCeIxxyjd9OQg
October 25th, 2005 at 8:10 pmthe italian parlimentary investigation of the forged documents that claimed Saddam bought “yellow cake” from Niger has been seen by Patrick Fitzgerald. The question is.. did bush see them? Who put those 16 words in his state of the Union address on jan 28, 2003? if you all go to this site.. http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/polling.. to the left on first page is a list of items in time line.. leading up to the war on iraq. All documents are there. When you see and you read , you finally know, they have wanted this war for a long time. They have wanted Saddam for a long time. They have wanted the usa tax dollars for war for a long time. If you also go to http://www.newamericacentury.org .. .and go to “letters and statements”.. and scroll down to the letter to president clinton on iraq , dated jan 26, 1998 and read the 18 names who signed the manefesto asking Clinton to bomb Iraq, you then know how long they have been planning the war on iraq.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:11 pmAl Franken on K.O.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:12 pmIt has been reported Jeff Gannon testified before the Grand Jury. They were very satisfied by his in-depth knowledge of the working of the White House. It is reported he was given the exact plans to bomb Iraq 4 hours before Colin Powells.
The media refused to investigate why a male prostitute had access of the White House for 2 years. goggle:
October 25th, 2005 at 8:15 pmFranklin Credit Union Coverup.
I’m listening to the news………it’s Cheney.
Ummm, in MillerSpeak, that’s “a former staffer to Gerald Ford”….
Cheers,
October 25th, 2005 at 8:20 pmJeff Gannon, the male prostitute/internet whore, had access to the White House because, like Marilyn Monroe, he was “doing” someone in the White House. It’s anybody’s guess who that someone might be. Karl Rove, perhaps? His anti-gay stance points to someone who’s trying to deflect attention from himself.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:21 pmC’mon. Isn’t Gary just satirizing an idiotic Republican?
I don’t post here, but it is hard to believe someone is really that stupid.
If he’s really believes what he’s typing, then Lord Almightly have mercy on his pitiful soul.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:21 pmEh! Franken’s just not that funny to me anymore. I think the last time I tuned into his show he was having a love fest for martyr Judith Miller with her lawyer Floyd Abrams as his guest. That’s WHY it was the last time I tuned in. It all comes back to me now.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:21 pmIts some lying pro Bush sleeze who puts political interests of the party above the security of the country…hmmmm that narrows it down to about a couple of million..
October 25th, 2005 at 8:26 pm#127
The Bush Doc’s. were fake; though their contents could have been based on some truth.
I am a typewriter collector, and they could not have been produced on any typewriter made at the time except for an IBM Composer, which cost $3,600 minimum in 1973 (or $15,850 2005 dollars) and for which extra fonts, which would have been necessary for producing the alleged memo, would have cost extra.
I do not think that the Texas Air National Guard would have possessed such a machine.
I do not think that the Texas Air National Gaurd would have used such a machine to produce a “memo for the file.”
Great pains would have been required to produced the superscripted “Th” in “111th FIS”, requiring the changing of typeballs, alignment of text, etc., precise to a millimeter.
Again, not something that I normally do for a “memo for the file”.
The memo uses proportional spacing, something very difficult to do at the time as well.
Three lines of the text are perfectly centered, something a typewriter available at the time could not easily do.
The memo formatting does not conform to the US Army offical style guide.
A MS Word document produced on a MAC running OS X is exactly identical to the Killian Memos.
An award of $50,000 has been offered to anyone who can reproduce these documents on a typewriter of the time, NO ONE has yet to claim the prize.
I think that “Pissed off American” should explain how the Texas National Guard would have been able to do so.
See this link for a better description than I can give:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_memos
October 25th, 2005 at 8:29 pmPS: I agree with the underlying assertion that Bush was up to no good instead of serving in the Guard like he was supposed to.
But the facts are the facts, the documents are fakes.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:34 pm#144 - That link didn’t work for me. Is this the one?:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
October 25th, 2005 at 8:36 pmOops I meant #145 - PNAC letter to Clinton. Sorry ’bout that.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:38 pmHoly Cow CNN reporting VP Cheney will announce his resg 2 marrow, Reporting VP RCVD papers from Fitz Today. Chris Matthews on now saying told you so…….
October 25th, 2005 at 8:38 pm[…] CBS reporter John Roberts has got the political earth shaking with this report: Lawyers familiar with the case think Wednesday is when special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald will make known his decision, and that there will be indictments. Supporters say Rove and the vice president’s chief of staff, Scooter Libby, are in legal jeopardy. But they insisted today the two are secondary players, that it was an unidentified Mr. X who actually gave the name of CIA agent V alerie Plame to reporters. Fitzgerald knows who Mr. X is, they say, and if he isn’t indicted, there’s no way Rove or Libby should be. But charges may not focus on the leak at all. Obstruction of justice or perjury are real possibilities. Did Rove or Libby change statements made under oath? Did they deliberately leave critical facts out of their testimony or did they honestly forget? Some Republicans urged Rove to step down if indicted. Not a happy prospect for president Bush. […]
October 25th, 2005 at 8:40 pmMy money’s on Cheney. No wait, I think it was Reagan. On the other hand, I think it might have been Barry Goldwater. No wait, James Baker. Or is it William Buckley. On the other hand, it could be Margaret Thatcher.
You liberals are setting your expectations so high that you are bound to be seriously disappointed.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:43 pm#156
One could only guess, in that case, who the new Veep would be???
October 25th, 2005 at 8:44 pmEveryone - Gary Ruppert is a troll who posts constantly on americ blog and daily kos. The best way to deal with the idiot is to ignore him. He is irrelevant - and he knows absolutley nothing - poor man.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:45 pm“Perhaps Mr. X is pictured here.”
http://www.perrspectives.com/ images/ banana_repubs_100305.jpg
I knew it! It’s Tom Noe! That bastard!
October 25th, 2005 at 8:46 pmI just don’t like to see any of those comments out there, unchallenged. Regardless of whether he’s a troll, there are a lot of folks that actually believe that crap.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:46 pm#160
Thanks for the “heads up”
October 25th, 2005 at 8:46 pmCan’t wait for tomorrow. Should be a good show. Especially if the indictments come down with multiple charges. Now that it seems that the FBI were canvassing the Wilson neighborhood as late as last night. That can only mean that treason is still on the table. Along with perjury and obstruction of justice. Sleep well tonight babies. Tomorrow will bring us the first justice in five long ugly years.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:47 pmWow you guys are a Hoot, A hoot………. Look at me I’m mister X.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:47 pm[#156 - Holy Cow CNN reporting VP Cheney will announce his resg 2 marrow, Reporting VP RCVD papers from Fitz Today. Chris Matthews on now saying told you so…….
Comment by Demidumino — October 25, 2005 @ 8:38 pm]
That’s one down, it doesn’t get really tasty until Rove gets thrown over. It’s gotta be Rove, too.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:49 pm#156 I’m watching CNN, how/when did they mention Cheney? I havn’t seen them talking about it since I turned it on around 8:40
October 25th, 2005 at 8:49 pmDon’t post as Gary Ruppert. Let him be an ass all by himself.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:50 pmGary Rupper is really Rupaul in drag. Or maybe Rupaul is Gary Ruppert in drag. Either way, he’s one of those paranoid, deranged liberal losers who can’t stand the USA, loves leftist dictators like Castro, and will be sorely disappointed tomorrow if the country is not severely damaged by indictments.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:50 pmhopefully Mr. X is Bush
October 25th, 2005 at 8:52 pm#156 I’m watching CNN, how/when did they mention Cheney? I havn’t seen them talking about it since I turned it on around 8:40
Comment by Eddie — October 25, 2005 @ 8:49 pm
You know what? It’s bullshit. Chris Matthews is an MSNBC guy, not a CNN guy. I fell for it.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:53 pmMark Felt?
October 25th, 2005 at 8:54 pmThe signateurs of the PNAC letter either are or were in this regime - I mean administration.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
October 25th, 2005 at 8:54 pmRujppert IS NOT leftist as Lennon posted here. That is bullshit. Ruppert is a reactionary right wing no-nothing fanatic. Don’t let the faux posts fool you. Ruppert deserves no attention.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:57 pmCorrections 1. Ruppert, 2. know-nothing. I am tired.
October 25th, 2005 at 8:58 pmLifted straight from Reuters a few munites ago:
Marc Lefkowitz, who lives across the street from CIA officer Valerie Plame and her husband, Joseph Wilson, said he was questioned by two
FBI agents on Monday night about whether he knew about Plame’s work at the CIA before her identity as a covert operative was leaked to the press in 2003.
Two lawyers involved in the case said the line of questioning could be a sign that federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald intends to charge administration officials for the leak itself, in addition to possible charges for easier-to-prove crimes like perjury and obstruction of justice.
October 25th, 2005 at 9:02 pmMy neighbor down the street said that she saw Mrs. Kravitz looking out of her curtain while he was mowing the lawn. Based upon such facts, the only conclusion is that Bush and Cheney plotted to reveal the identity of Plame and that they are going to spend the rest of their lives in jail after Fitz gets finished with them.
October 25th, 2005 at 9:05 pmLenno, that’s pretty funny. See that, even Nazis have a sense of humor.
October 25th, 2005 at 9:09 pm[…] Think Progress From the CBS Evening News, to air at 6:30PM: […]
October 25th, 2005 at 9:11 pmMs. Kravitz is Fitzgerald’s mother in law.
October 25th, 2005 at 9:13 pmDoes anybody else picture Cheney getting word that he’s indicted and smiling widely as if he loves the prospect of such a challenge. Licking his chops ready to eat his obstacles for lunch. These guys are murderers of the highest order, a little legal trouble is probably fun for him, keep the heart pumping and all.
October 25th, 2005 at 9:16 pm[…] Via Judd of Think Progress–indictments tomorrow? […]
October 25th, 2005 at 9:17 pmI’m in the Bolton camp. It would explain ALOT.
October 25th, 2005 at 9:18 pmLennon and Ringo - are you guys related? Do you play in a band together?
October 25th, 2005 at 9:22 pmNot related, but brothers nonetheless……all you need is love Paulette.
October 25th, 2005 at 9:25 pmBrittney Spears is the undercover leak. She and Michael Jackson met regularly with CIA operatives in Iraq and Iran. NAIL BRITT!!!!!!!!
October 25th, 2005 at 9:26 pmPer ROSCON, Tenet told Bush, Bush told Laura, Laura told Cheney, Cheney told Rove, Rove told Bush who then told Libby, Libby told Laura, who then told Barbra, who told GHB, who then told Ken, who then told the Astro’s manager, who then told Libby who then told Miller, Miller told Novak, who told Frist who then Told Plame,who told Wilson who then told Tenent who then told Libby, who told Bush, who then told Cheney who Said ” I know I know”.
October 25th, 2005 at 9:27 pmThe Astro’s manager got a call from Fritz who is a closet CHI town fan and said” If the SOX loose than all bets are off. Now you know..
SOX in 5. No one goes to jail, Fitz is the next AG, Gonzales to the Bench when Miers steps away…. Now You know the whole story.
These libs postings make me laugh. If