Hotline says Time Magazine’s Mike Allen “has some of the best sources in Washington.†Here’s what he had to say about the leak scandal tonight on Hardball:
MIKE ALLEN: A lot of activity happening that we’re not seeing. A likely scenario for what happened today, Patrick Fitzgerald got some indictments from this grand jury. He is now able to go to the…
CHRIS MATTHEWS: You think they’re sealed right now?
MIKE ALLEN: Very possible. What I’m told is typically, in a case like this, he could get the indictments and now he can go to the targets and say, you can plead to these or I’ll go back Friday and get more. You have 12 to 24 hours to think about it.
CHRIS MATTHEWS: And he can give them a little Whitman Sampler of suggestions pleading to the charge of obstruction or perjury or…
MIKE ALLEN: I can add a bunch of counts. You can take a couple of counts or we can do a bunch more.
Later on Olbermann, The Washington Post’s Jim VanDeHei (who also has “some of the best sources in Washingtonâ€) assures us the wait is almost over: “I do not think we’ll see any extension of this grand jury. We will know on Friday what’s going to happen here.â€
For a complete collection of the latest PlameGate news, briefings, timelines, statutes and other essential documents (including the original Wilson op-ed), see:
“The Rove/PlameGate Scandal Resource Center.”
October 26th, 2005 at 9:29 pmI’ll wait, I’ve had my fill of the ‘informed sources’, the networks today were all breathless with information also…..
October 26th, 2005 at 9:33 pmrich
“Libby has been on crutches after breaking a bone in his foot. ”
http://www.cbsnews.com/ stories/ 2005/ 10/ 26/ politics/ main981236.shtml
hmmm… was he reading a target letter when that happened?
October 26th, 2005 at 9:44 pmSo, we’re really hoping there is indictments. Of course, I would look very foolish if there were not indictments.
October 26th, 2005 at 9:45 pm“Lies, lies, lies, ye-ah… they’re going to get you.” –The Thompson Twins.
I’ve been needing to say this for some time.
October 26th, 2005 at 9:45 pmA lot of them said gitmo was just a fine place to keep people. Will they still agree a few months from now?
October 26th, 2005 at 9:47 pmI see the largest dingleberry on the GOP’s ass has arrived.
October 26th, 2005 at 9:50 pmUltimately the crime is a threat to national security. I seem to remember these people arguing that threats to national security were outside normal laws. I didn’t used to think they were right.
October 26th, 2005 at 9:52 pmThe great thing about Fitzgerald is he is crossing his T’s and dotting his i’s. If you are going to bring down a giant, wouldn’t you be doing everything by the book? (Like not letting ANY leaks get out)
October 26th, 2005 at 10:03 pmIt’s becoming obvious that they have nothing. This is a witch hunt and an embarrasment for the dems…
October 26th, 2005 at 10:05 pm#10
“It’s becoming obvious that they have nothing. This is a witch hunt and an embarrasment for the dems…”
The latest insane argument from the right. Good job, moron.
October 26th, 2005 at 10:08 pmComment # 10 shows just how desperately teh GOP “NEEDS’ for this to all be untrue. Cia instigates investigation (Tenet), GOP executive branch DOJ appoints investigator…yeah real partisan with hunt, eh ?
October 26th, 2005 at 10:10 pmNo arguement; it’s making a mockery of our entire political system. Can you imagine how all of these country’s that have supported our efforts in the war on terror think of these silly charges with so many other things on the table? I mean this is ridiculous and baseless. It’s just politics. It’s been this way for years. There have been no crimes that have happened here. It’s all a war cry from the loser party.
October 26th, 2005 at 10:12 pm#10 yeah. and i have a bridge to sell you…
seriously, haven’t you read the latest talking points? offical party line from the rnc is that libby is going under the bus. yeah, they got nothing. that’s why he’s taking so long. just keep telling yourself that.
October 26th, 2005 at 10:13 pm>It’s becoming obvious that
>they have nothing.
The Bush Apologists have been spewing this all day on various blog comments. They have nothing else with which they can respond. Now that the “all her neighbors knew” spin has run out of momentum, what with the investigation incorporating obstruction of justice and that little thing called perjury.
So I’ll play your game: How is it becoming obvious they have nothing? They’ve outlasted your short attention span? Oh, silly me, I’m expecting a truthful response, not vitriolic spin.
Come Friday, bucko, we’ll see what “becomes obvious.”
October 26th, 2005 at 10:14 pm#13 this is not politics. the law was broken and the DOJ is investigating to see who did it. period.
October 26th, 2005 at 10:14 pmThere will be an extension of the grand jury or new one impaneled. A smart prosecutor would do that in case (a) one of those indicted now flips later and implicates someone new and new indictments are needed or (b) there are new areas that have been uncovered during the investigation and this grand jury is burned out.
Both (a) and (b) are likely in this case.
October 26th, 2005 at 10:16 pmThere has been a very noticable drop in the number of “W” stickers on vehicles here in Texas.
October 26th, 2005 at 10:16 pmPlease, please let it be true. The House of Mirrors has cracks a mile wide.
October 26th, 2005 at 10:17 pmThe bad thing? I’m the biggest DEM in here and I just wanted to see what it felt like to try and defend these motherless f**ks!!! I feel so icky I have to go shower….This has been worse than sleeping with an Atlantic City whore!! Sorry boys, I had to try it out and it sucked!!!!!!!!!!
October 26th, 2005 at 10:17 pmNo arguement; it’s making a
mockery of our entire political
system. Can you imagine how all
of these country’s
While you make a mockery of the English language. It’s “argument” and “countries,” Shakespeare, and that last one’s not a typo — it’s ignorance. Guess you’re one of the ones who were left behind in that “leave no child behind” thing.
How can you expect honest debate when you make a third-grade grammar error?
October 26th, 2005 at 10:18 pmLove it when the rePugs start whining about witch hunts…too bad the 2005 version of a Tricky Dick, (Chaney)probably won’t be doing a “perp” walk, but he’s toast…Nothing like getting caught lying on videotape…
October 26th, 2005 at 10:18 pm#6. we can only hope they send them to gitmo.
Really though, I think that the longer the wait, the sweeter the treat will be.
October 26th, 2005 at 10:20 pmThose that put party above country are going to have a rude awakening. Our national security was compromised by the people you are supporting… The whole lot of Republicans are accountable…you supported these people.
At the very least you should hold them accountable.
October 26th, 2005 at 10:21 pmHe’s wrong.
The Grand Jury usually switches floors in order to vote on indictments, and they didn’t do that, and they’ll meet again on Friday too
October 26th, 2005 at 10:21 pmThis is not “politics as usual. Plame worked for the group in the C.I.A. that was gathering information on WMD throughout the world. To expose her seriously compromised that work which is of vital importance to our security. The people who exposed her are traitors to their country who have put us all at risk. People who support these traitors because they are members of the party they support are placing party before country. Shame on them.
October 26th, 2005 at 10:24 pmI’ve seen fewer W stickers here in Atlanta. I’ve also started seeing more of the W with the slash through them as well. All the W I have seen are on Excursions, Suburbans and the like. The letter W makes me want to puke now.
October 26th, 2005 at 10:29 pm[…] Okay, kids. You can open just one little present but you can’t have the rest until tomorrow: […]
October 26th, 2005 at 10:32 pmAndrew,
W used to be a perfectly fine member of the alphabet. Sweet, simple, W.
Now it is polluted with its association of not only the worst president ever, but with the most corrupt administration ever.
Poor W.
October 26th, 2005 at 10:33 pmI’ll say to all Repugnicans reading this what Jon Stewart said to William Kristol :
“Wishing something doesn’t make it come true”
October 26th, 2005 at 10:34 pm#28
W stands for wanker.
October 26th, 2005 at 10:38 pmI think the ultimate embarrassment here is George Bush….and the fact that enough Americans thought he should be President again.
What goes around, comes around. And here it comes!
October 26th, 2005 at 10:38 pmAndrew–
My daughter has me convinced that W stands for Wiggles. This is the only way I’ve been able to keep that exploited letter in my alphabet.
October 26th, 2005 at 10:39 pmThe Republican attack dogs have been unusually quiet lately. The White House has maintained the “no comment on an ongoing investigation” position for a while now. The disinformation campaign has also been rather low-level, mostly aimed at keeping the base appeased, rather than than the usual full frontal assault on the truth (that ironically started this whole mess).
Could it be that the White House and the Prosecuter know that there are more victims than just Vallerie Plame Wilson? What if other NOC’s or associates of her CIA front company, Brewster Jennings, were captured, tortured, or even killed by foreign agents as a result of the leak?
OK, this is pure speculation at this point, but this scemario is certainly plausible, if not likely. Maybe the White House knows that the truth is really ugly, and it is going to come out eventually. So they are holding back because they don’t want the blowback to be any worse than it already will be.
Knowing that there was actual, rather than just potential, damage to National Security would certainly motivate a good prosecuter to aggressively persue indictments. And it would certainly motivate a judge to dispense with First Amendment concerns, and throw reporters (or pseudo-reporters) in jail for contempt. Maybe there is a real bomb-shell coming….
October 26th, 2005 at 10:44 pmFrrrriiiiday? WHINE I’ll never make it to FFridaaayyy Snivel
October 26th, 2005 at 10:44 pmjust think, if cooper and miller just testified when first asked…we would be having fitzmas 15 days before kerry trounced W 60% to 40% in 2004.
October 26th, 2005 at 10:46 pmOnce this thing gets rolling, the big question, if not the biggest, will be: What did W. know about Plamegate and when did he know it? And then Howard Baker can be brought back to pay W. a visit and offer him the alternatives: resign, fall on his handcuffs or face impeachment. I can’t wait to hear the Rove/W tapes. I hope that there are no 18-minute erasures this time - please. Now let the show begin!
October 26th, 2005 at 10:46 pmI’ll bet the boys at the White House are pleading with these guys to plead…
The last thing they want is a long-drawn out trial reminding us every day about the lies upon which they built their neocon futurama.
This is fascinating.
Methinks it’s time to get hopping: Fitzgerald Issues Frog-Marching Guidelines
October 26th, 2005 at 10:46 pmI agree with Wool. And he’s had the president backing him all the way. No, wait. No he hasn’t. The president has been IGNORING this problem while his base splits!
October 26th, 2005 at 10:47 pmGosh golly!
WHY WE NEED INDICTMENTS:
October 26th, 2005 at 10:47 pmhttp://www.stopthelie.com/
As nuts as this sounds, this whole mess is good for the country. Whatever it takes to stall out, or at least limit, any more damage from this administration. Christ, we’ve still got three more years of Bush.
October 26th, 2005 at 10:48 pm#21 - I wont debate whether “posing” as the devil was worth the thrill but…..Inst it terrifying how easy it was to fill a blog with the prepackaged rhetoric that is being handfed to us 24-7. Not an ounce of critical thought, just repeat after me………
October 26th, 2005 at 10:49 pmAmericans must be the laziest buch of people on the planet.
October 26th, 2005 at 10:49 pmDay after day absolutely nothing happens in a country of 250m people and blogs like this are forced to write yet another “the Plame investigation involes Whitehouse staff and will likely end in indictments” story the same as the previous 4000.
Get off your arses and do something.
Let’s see, now. If my memory of contemporary events is correct, the president should just about be ready to convene a ceremonial photo op to grant medals of freedom to Dickey , turd blossom , and ol’ Scooter.
October 26th, 2005 at 10:50 pmWhores Wallow Willing. So much for W. Bush has been in bed with oil, gas, and big business that equals Whore
October 26th, 2005 at 10:52 pmBill Clinton was the leaker. He leaked the name of Valerie Plame. It’s all Bill Clinton’s fault!
Soon Hillary Clinton will emerge as the “savior” of America. To that I say, “Hah!”
October 26th, 2005 at 10:54 pmATTENTION ALL TROLLS:
October 26th, 2005 at 10:56 pmhttp://usmilitary.about.com/ library/ pdf/ enlistment.pdf#search=‘Enlistment%2FReEnlistment%20Document’
Scooter Libby has a broken foot - that’s interesting for some reason.
October 26th, 2005 at 10:56 pmAmazing that people in this country allow their leaders to dip WAY below common decency to battle the boogymen their leaders describe to them. Did we lie about German and Japanese agression to enter WWII? Did we have to torture Japanese and Germans to win WWII? We lied about Vietnamese agression and arguably tortured the Vietnamese and we DIDN’T win. What makes you think we have to lie and torture now to get our “way”, whatever that is? Go ask Rush and Hannity and Bush and Rove and Cheney these questions if you don’t know the answers. Goddammit, think for yourselves!
October 26th, 2005 at 11:03 pmHave we forgotten the Antrax letter sender have we found that person or persons!No thats because Cheney himself sent them had his little grand kid address them and had somebody steal the Military grade antrax from that army base.Talk about treason at the highest level,lets also not talk about all the people who resigned or should I say (I would like to spend more time with my family)bullshit!The shit just keeps getting more weird by the second.WTF is wrong with this country,if you voted for Bush the first time I forgive you if you voted for Bush the second time your more stupid then I thought.
October 26th, 2005 at 11:13 pmBut what about testosterone laden jingoistic hate speech. I can’t explain it. It just FEELS good. That alone is cause for war and torture! Gosh golly!
How long before Mahmoud Ahmadinejad gets offed by “Syria” (wink wink!).
October 26th, 2005 at 11:14 pm#44
October 26th, 2005 at 11:16 pmI’d like to pose a question, and in doing so, I’m neither trying to be snide nor snarky. What would you recommend we do (aside from armed insurrection)?
Uh, Biggronn-
You weren’t supposed to mention the anthrax, buddy. Nor the fact Zawahiri is STILL commanding the Islamofacsists who are killing our soldiers! Gosh golly!
October 26th, 2005 at 11:17 pm#42 - “Christ, we’ve still got three more years of Bush.”
October 26th, 2005 at 11:18 pmOh no we don’t.
Impeach the lying facist.
Osama and Zawahiri used to be, like, inseperable, you know? Now whenever there is an especially LARGE and PROFESSIONAL bomb in Iraq, Zawahiri shows his face sans Osama. I think Osama is part of a mountain now.
If I were WH I would make Zawahiri the new Osama (because he is), and go catch his ass!
October 26th, 2005 at 11:24 pmLibby on crutches, dumbya probably was drunk and ran over it with the bike!
My picks for indictments are as follows:
1. Crash-cart cheeney
2. Scooter-hop-a-long-libby
3. heir rover
4. Chimpy
5. 12-hour-head-start shreader card
6. dumbsfailed
7. asscroft
8. Gonzo
9. screamer-bolton
10. hanna
11. kinda sleezy rice
12. lika-lottapus-miers
13. baby-face roberts
14. ari flush-her
15. machine-gun ridge
16. tenet
but, we get to wait and see.
October 26th, 2005 at 11:26 pmWhy do conservatives hate America so much? They defend treason, use our troops as slave labor for neo-con wild adventures, and are deliberately bankrupting our nation. Can’t these people simply say that treason is wrong, period.
Osama Bin Laden must be very happy right now as bush turns America into a nation that resembles Radical Islam except with a different label and bible. Maybe Bush and Cheney are secret double agent moles working on behalf of Al-Qaeda along with Limbaugh, Hannity, and most of this administration? I mean, these people do a better job of harming America and recruiting terrorists than Bin Laden and Zarqawi combined.
October 26th, 2005 at 11:34 pm#51, ever heard of an “operation northwoods”? Dumbya’s daddy was in the cia when that was proposed. Hmmmm.
October 26th, 2005 at 11:36 pmThe president of Iran just called for the destruction of Israel. But never mind, we got indictments! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
October 26th, 2005 at 11:41 pm#13
“It’s all a war cry from the loser party.”
Factually, Patrick Fitzgerald is a Republican who was appointed by a Republican. We the loser” party had nothing to do with this, you fvcking idiot.
October 26th, 2005 at 11:42 pmThe new york times should be held accountable for the WMD stories. They let their darling. Juith Miller write; which helped get us in to this unnessiary war with Iraq. She went to jail for 85 days. When she got out she could not remember her source who told her about Wilson wife? She won A polecat award for Journalism too?
October 26th, 2005 at 11:43 pmSpudge,
That’s so true - these guys are just idiots.
SouthOf68,
That’s a crying shame, and it’s unfortunate that Iran is in the grip of the same kind of fools that now run our government. Both countries would benefit from a more secular and less radical religious leadership. But by the ’supposed’ popular elections in both countries, it’s clear that a ‘democratic vote’ is never in the best interests of religious fanatics and idiots like you….
October 26th, 2005 at 11:51 pmLet’s not forget what this is all about. It’s about a power struggle. Who’s party is the better. The sad thing is 2,ooo+ people (that’s American Citizens) had to die. And for what?, A lie. That’s what it all comes down to, is a lie. It just goes to show that if you say what the loud mouths think, you can go far. Of course, think what the rest of the world must think when they hear GWB speak. They must think “You seriously mean they elected him?” ANSWER: NO!
October 26th, 2005 at 11:54 pmI pray for future generations because that’s who this is gonna harm. Semper Fi
Bush must resign for the good of the country for appointing a staff that is 100% corrupt. How can anybody have faith in a President who allows this level of criminality in his administration? Bush is beyond incompetent and must go out with the others.
Has the anti-Fitzgerald smear campaign begun on Fox, Rush, NewsMax, and so on? When the neocons are on the ropes, two things are certain: (1) someone gets smeared with lies (but Bush never does his own dirty work), and (2) we get to hear, again and again and again, about the blue dress.
October 26th, 2005 at 11:55 pmGrand Jury testimony of Karl Rove, the White House Deputy Chief of Staff of the United States (COSTUS), leaked by Rove-ing reporter (humor). How much will COSTUS cost us?
It is posted at: http://rovesayswholeakedfirst.blogspot.com
Number one hit on MSN Search when searching for “Rove and Fitzgeraldâ€
Please keep my identity a secret. Double super Secret
October 26th, 2005 at 11:56 pmPeople of earth, brace yourselves for an atomic bomb to be exploded in Boston for the purpose of politcal distraction and marshall law.
October 26th, 2005 at 11:56 pm#61
October 27th, 2005 at 12:00 amOne minor correction: Patrick Fitzgerald has stated that he’s an Independent, not a Republican.
#67, operation northwoods
October 27th, 2005 at 12:01 amI just read for the fourth time the autobiography of Abraham Lincoln. A republican. I wholeheartedly think that he would be ashamed about what that party stands for today. But then again he would be a liberal…
October 27th, 2005 at 12:02 amtoday.
Wool over his eyes said..
” imagine how all of these country’s (sic) that have supported our efforts in the war on terror think of these silly charges..”
There is Bliar.. who will face the same charges himself… the Italians, (with a PM who changed the law to avoid jail) possibly implicated in the forgery letter with some Bushorc help .. and a few others who were fooled by these Wargate lies… or bribed.. illustrious allies such as Mongolia, Fiji sent 10 people, Albania.. the “coalition” is as much a lie as the other Bushorc/BlossomTurd creations..
These “other countries” may decide to sue for costs..
“War on terror” is a Bushism in itself… straight from Animal Farm.. As Pilger pointed out “War IS Terror”
October 27th, 2005 at 12:06 am#68
My bad, from the Washington Post article: “Inquiry as Exacting As Special Counsel Is”
“He (sic. Fitzgerald) registered to vote in New York as an independent. When he discovered that Independent was a political party, he re-registered with no affiliation.”
October 27th, 2005 at 12:10 amThis PROSECUTOR dude is the ‘tranny man’ and he is saying…’SEE ME NOW OR SEE ME LATER’.IT LOOKS LIKE THE BUSHIES WILL GIT THEIR ‘TRANNYS’ REAMED AND SENT TO THE POLITICAL JUNKYARD.
October 27th, 2005 at 12:12 amIn the west, Mr. Libby did it with the Miller in her Oval Office with his Aspen[is].
October 27th, 2005 at 12:19 am#68
Wow, then Fitzgerald is the guy for me. I tend to lean away from the right, but there are plenty of assholes on the left as well.
I know you can’t tell from my latest posts, which are aimed at the right wing, NeoCon scumbags. But, there are a lot of democrats that I would string up with the republicans that are going down right now.
If the dems would have done their jobs, rather than sit on their thumbs, we wouldn’t be in the place we are now as a country.
October 27th, 2005 at 12:23 amjust think, if cooper and miller just testified when first asked…we would be having fitzmas 15 days before kerry trounced W 60% to 40% in 2004.
Sigh… You’re just breakin’ my heart, now.
Cooper and Judy3… How I’d just LOVE to give them the “Three Stooges” treatment right now.
Their little games have scwrewed our country every bit as much as the BFEE has, by making it possible for them to steal ANOTHER four years.
-mf
October 27th, 2005 at 12:32 amWay up there in the middle of this string a liberal-progressive type misspelled a couple of words. And a Republican attack dog was all over him for that. First of all, the education system has been dumbed down so badly that millions of people vote for a half-wit cowboy criminal like Bush. The Republicans like poor schools. It creates Republican voters who approve tax cuts for the rich.
2. The liberal may have misspelled a couple of words, but apparently he wasn’t dumb enough to vote Republican. Like it says on my blog, “if you aint rich and you vote Republican, you’re a fool.” Voting Republican is a lot worse than making a couple of errors in grammar.
3. And finally, my hero, Mark Twain said once, ” I never trust a man who doesn’t have the imagination to spell a word only one way.”
October 27th, 2005 at 12:32 amPat is making the bastards sweat till well into the eleventh hour. Nice play. Fear impedes cerebration and people make dumb moves when emotions run high. And canary noises too.The practical realities of life are closing in fast around WHIG World. The punters queue no longer at the turnstiles. Former lap dog scribes are now yapping at frontman Scott. Word is out that the fix went in. The war in Iraq is a hoax. A critical mass of the silent majority are starting to get pissed. Old glory has been trashed and the Constitution desecrated. Let the perpetrators face justice and be shown the same mercy that they displayed towards their legitimate critics.
This is a necessary step towards rebuilding our Republic. It is only too late,if people don’t enroll to vote and do something about it. Anything HAS to be better than this mob of mendacious warmongers.
October 27th, 2005 at 12:32 am#75
I won’t sweat your agitprop ways ( which at times can be amusing ). It’s definitely not my way of approaching things, but I respect free speech.
Yeah, I have to agree with you regarding the do-nothing Dems who have been holding and running for public office for the last 10-12 years (minus Wellstone, Kucinich and a few other shining souls who actually stand/stood for something).
I wouldn’t *not* vote for a Republican, provided their platform and record reflected my views and beliefs… but alas, no such animal currently exists.
October 27th, 2005 at 12:35 amResigning may not be the end of the story for these crooks. Plame could still sue in civil court, even Dumbya, thanks to the Paula Jones precident.
Wool was the only Dumbya supporter in this forum, and he appears to be faking it for kicks. What does that tell you? Its the same on the right wingnut boards, they’re in denial.
Heard an excellent rebuttal from an angry ex CIA officer on Wolfman Blitzer. He’s offering $5,000 if someone can prove Plame’s cover was aready blown. He said 40% of the people going in and out of the gates at Langley are undercover. That doesn’t make it common knowledge, especially when they work overseas. He said he did the same thing his whole career and only his wife knew.
October 27th, 2005 at 12:40 am#17. I believe you are right on. This is much more than about simply outing a CIA agent, although if that were all its enough. Its about the putting together a story to go after Iraq. A decision made by D cheney during Bush #1. To finish unfinished business and 9/11 opened the door. Now select the facts you want to support your decision.
October 27th, 2005 at 12:44 amRyan, Iran would have been a better place under even what passes for a Democratic adminstration in this country…
October 27th, 2005 at 12:49 amAll of you commentators are right on the money. Number 27 was soooo right when he said it was the Republicans who embarrassed America for exposing the Clinton-Lewinski scandal. Countries in Europe agreed. How can we ever forget the armored cars pulling up in front of the Capitol building and armed guards getting out of their vehicles to carry many boxes of trash into the building concerning Clinton’s disgusting behavior. I remember slinking down in my chair with embarrassment watching this spectacle. Bush has the blood on his hands of hundreds of thousands; what can be the punishment? Hillary needs to be removed from office; she is a traitor to humanity. WHAT SAY WE ALL VOTE INDEPENDENT? WE GOTTA BE CLEAN AGAIN!
October 27th, 2005 at 12:52 am#82 Sorry forgot my justification: http://www.newsmax.com/ archives/ articles/ 2004/ 10/ 19/ 174311.shtml
Iran votes for Chimpy…..
BTW, anyone care to guess why the Iranians seem so pissed off? Why do they ‘hate our freedom’?
October 27th, 2005 at 12:52 am#83, head for the hills, build log cabins, screw them all, cop out…. not exactly a policy, but I feel the emotion… sometimes when the night is dark, the wind blows hard against my winodws and George W. Bush appears on my TV with a banner of “Leader of the free world” under his name…. Stay and fight, these f**wits are just the bullies you hated in the playground at school - they cry when you hit them.
October 27th, 2005 at 12:56 amDie by your own sword Rove! Honestly going to puke if they dare to use the talking points like “smear” “don’t want to prejudge” “partisan attack” “baseless” How about MONICA & WHITEWATER the @#&^$ bastards dare to get high minded after the crap they pulled on Clinton. Yes quote me, the entire Clinton thing was nothing. Real crime and impeachable offenses go unpunished but not the BJ. Since you Christian fundamentalists have the corner on the meaning of faith and patriotism please let me know that I am dammed. God told you right?
October 27th, 2005 at 1:00 amIf Rove is indicted for something more serious than perjury, my prediction is that Bush will not last out his term as president.
October 27th, 2005 at 1:04 amEveryone knows that everyone is replacable in any organization. But even the NeoCon talking heads are more worried about Rove leaving than Bush leaving! THEY say he can’t be replaced, at least not by one person. He isn’t called Bush’s Brain for nothing.
Bush has been Rove’s sock puppet since he picked him to be his face for governor of Texas.
The media has picked up on Little George’s nervous tics lately. He wouldn’t know what to do or say without Rove’s hand up is a** putting the words in his mouth.
Plus Bush has never finished all of the things that he started and then made a mess of. He always left the mess for someone else to clean up once he got in over his head. And he is up to his ears in Sh*t right now with no plan. Other than to figure out a way to walk away.
Cheney will resign for “health reasons”. Most of the county thinks that his heart is no good. We all know that he doesn’t have one. He’s been photographed walking with a cane lately without any comment on why. That’s just a prop for the “health” excuse.
#57
October 27th, 2005 at 1:37 amMaybe he shot himself in the foot.
#35- I agree! Has the CIA done a real damage assesment? I wonder if the grand jury has seen facts that we haven’t. Does anyone have any info on that? Perjury. obstruction…that can be spun. Results of a treasonous act. A definition of hell: Being Scott McClellan when that story broke!
October 27th, 2005 at 1:42 amCheney had voluntary surgery on both knees. Interestingly enough, he had it done just after Bush sent him to NO to oversee the mess there. Being the cynic I am, I figure he got it done because …
1. He didn’t want anything to do with NO and was mad Bush sent him. In essence, the sudden but voluntary aneurysm surgery made a good excuse for his absence.
2. Cheney knew Fitz was hard at work. Possibly Cheney was worried that staff and others might implicate him. If that happened and he was sent to prison, the problem with his knees was best out of the way.
October 27th, 2005 at 1:57 am#87, sorry, but didn’t Go-Cheney-Yourself just have surgery on the veins in the backs of both knees a few weeks ago? That explains the cane.
October 27th, 2005 at 2:11 amBut yes, he will probably play the sick card. After all, he just bought a nice new house! Might aswell retire gracefully. Unless of course his new house turns out to be Leavenworth… oh please…
Stil, I would most rather see the ba$ta#ds hang high, preferably on the steps of the Capitol Building. Sweet!
Wool was kidding, read #20. The funny part is that we believe that some people think like that. Don’t let the spin machine tell you what people think like. Talk with your neighbors, go on a road trip and talk with the people you meet. Sure some people are stupid, but not as mant as they want you to think. Then you will realize that votes are bought and stolen. Take the time to explain the issues with understanding that they may only have the main streem media to form opinions (mixed with a less than steller intelect). Watch W either pardon and promote them or have to deal with another desaster he creates. a small nuke in a us city would get him back on top. I’m moving out of this country if a republican wins in 08.
October 27th, 2005 at 2:22 amThe NYT story on Cheney leaking the name to Libby is pure cover for Bush. Dick will sacrifice himself to save Dumya.
October 27th, 2005 at 2:30 amNo arguement [sic]; it’s making a mockery of our entire political system. Can you imagine how all of these country’s [sic] that have supported our efforts in the war on terror think of these silly charges with so many other things on the table? I mean this is ridiculous and baseless. It’s just politics. It’s been this way for years. There have been no crimes that have happened here. It’s all a war cry from the loser party.
Which countries have supported our efforts? Britain? Russia? China? They all had their reasons, and they are all now conspicuous by their silence, don’t you think? Where’s Blair voicing his support? Where’s Pooty-Poot?
I guess it’s not as if Cheney got his dick sucked, right? (Although Scooter does have a purty mouth, I’ll give him that.) But really. Are you sure you’re not just trying to pull yourself over our eyes, Wool? If you think you seriously believe half of what you say, I defy you to close your eyes, imagine the partisan roles reversed, and see if you’d find a problem.
Here’s a hint: the intellectually honest person knows it’s a crime just by reading about the actions committed, and not worrying first about who committed them.
October 27th, 2005 at 2:41 amI wonder how the Man-Ape’s voters are going to wrap their brains around this one? It appears that the GOP have polarized the populace so badly by lying to it that admitting you’ve been punk’d by this Neo Con junta is unacceptable.
October 27th, 2005 at 2:41 amOh, and now scrolling down I see that Wool was putting us on. Pretty good imitation of the stock conservatard there; I was sure Kay Bailey Hunchison was lurking somewhere….
October 27th, 2005 at 2:42 amFrom everything I’ve seen thus far, it looks like Libby & Rove, plus a couple of underlings, are the main targets of Fitz, and The Dick & Smirk W. Chimp will skate.
If that’s the case, I’ll predict that the GOP won’t lose much support at the ballot box (I mean at the Diebold-controlled e-voting machine) next yesr. There is still plenty of time for these rats to spin there way out of trouble before the Congressional elections.
Let’s face it: with Smirk’s abyssmal record going into ‘04, he still “won”.
BTW - Chris Matthews and “Hardball” is a farce.
October 27th, 2005 at 2:54 am“Buy your ‘Impeach Bush’ bumper stickers before Friday!”
Funny you mention that, Misty. I’ve had one on my car for several months now. From time to time, I get a pissed off Bush-leaguer giving me the finger, or roaring past me then cutting in front very closely. Doesn’t bother me, because I’m more than willing to do battle with these morons for the sake of my country, but then that wouldn’t be the answer either.
Or perhaps that’s just what this place needs.
October 27th, 2005 at 3:07 amLest we miss the point of all this. Bush lied (about WMDs) Faked Documents even the Italians didn’t believe.
October 27th, 2005 at 3:09 amAnd 2001 died, argue!! Woe is me. those idiots deserved to die. Who is keeping the headcount for all the innocents. And those tortured to death at gitmo, and outsourced elswhere? God!!! &%&%$%##@
The Culture of Corruption is not above The RULE OF LAW!!! Period.
Peace.
October 27th, 2005 at 3:17 amNot in MY lifetime. 51 so far.
October 27th, 2005 at 3:28 am‘Hangin’s too good for um’
I don’t know who said it, but it’s priceless . . . .
We must help eachother
We must help ourselves
We must stay out of slave camps/debt
$$$ = 666
Where’s your ‘mark’ today?
October 27th, 2005 at 3:46 am27
October 27th, 2005 at 3:50 amKnock off the pool room humor. Women read these posts. Clean up your remarks, you’re demonstrating your lack of education.
I AM one of ‘the who must be obeyed’ and education seems very cheap these days, eh?
October 27th, 2005 at 3:53 amI think It goes back a little further than that.
October 27th, 2005 at 4:33 amThink ‘Bay of Pigs’, Kennedy, Malcom X, Martin Luther.
Then think, Bush, Cheney, Bush, Cheney, Bush, Cheney.
and the odd Kissenger, ect. Guess what? Dick likes to talk. He told ##### and ##### told me, he was gonna invade Iraq, back in 2000. woops! but he didn’t use my taxes. How about yours???
Go to Act For Change for a petition that Bush NOT pardon those indicted. George H.W. did that when culprits in the Iran-Contra mess were indicted. And to post 37- G. Kerry didn’t win the 2004 election by 60%. He won, according to the Edison-Mitofsky exit polls which were accurate to 1.1%+/-, by roughly 8 million votes (excluding the estimated nearly three million minority voters prevented from voting), mostly in ten swing states. But the GAO just released a report that security will still not be in place with the computer voting equipment by 2006. So we can certainly expect continued hacking, especially through the Diebold program known back door, and, potentially, many losers in offices at every level of government in a number of states. That’s what our GAO says. I’m voting in pure defiance of what they might do with my vote. Join me.
October 27th, 2005 at 6:31 amLook at me, I’m as helpless as a kitten up a tree…
October 27th, 2005 at 7:07 amI get misty the moment you’re near…
Damn you, Johnny Mathis!
October 27th, 2005 at 7:37 amWell, I for one, like really big breasts.
October 27th, 2005 at 7:46 am#10, et al.
Think Ken Starr & Bill Clinton, you morons. My repug brother says whenever I complain about them going after Clinton–it’s the lying under oath, it wasn’t the sex. Well, the dems aren’t going after the repugs now, the repugs shot themselves in the foot. If it was the lying under oath before, the outing of a CIA agent must be worth some investigation. Dont’cha think, morons? And when I say Merry Fitzmas, I don’t mean ha ha ha, I mean, finally someone is calling a spade a spade. Do you get that, morons? If the grand jury suspects a crime was committed, then, it behooves Fitzgerald to pursue it. But, I guess in your world, outing a CIA agent is not as serious as lying about your sex life. Had any affairs lately? Oh, I’ll tell your spouse. Or would you like to tell it to a judge? Morons.
October 27th, 2005 at 8:10 amRemember these neat campaign slogans from the Bush camp;
‘I will return integrity to the Oval Office’
and who can forget…
‘Character counts’
Ooops…….
October 27th, 2005 at 8:26 amForget the letter W beling sickening as posters noted. I’ve got a serious problem with the letter P.
Vote for Resident Bush
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October 27th, 2005 at 9:09 amFolks,
October 27th, 2005 at 9:23 amLet’s not lose sight of the real tragedy. Outing an agent -BAD! Perjury -BAD! Obstruction of Justice -BAD! Lying to the effect of 2,000+ American and who knows how many Iraqui deaths - ABSOLUTELY CRIMINAL!!!
Now that we know without a doubt that the Irag war was based on lies. We democrates need to hold all the democratic politicians who voted for the war accountable. Especially those who say they would still have supported the Invation even if they had known the truth. NO SUPPORT TO DEMOCRATIC ENABLERS.
October 27th, 2005 at 9:31 amClint V.,
October 27th, 2005 at 9:38 amI am with you, at least at heart! But who to vote for if NOT some of those enablers? Would you say, for instance, that it would be wise to vote AGAINST, say, Hillary Clinton, who, I believe still is on record as supporting the war? Tough choice, huh?
We need to help the Democrat party recruit new people with intelligence and common sense as well as backbone. I know that’s easy to say but that is what has to be done. We cannot be outraged at W (that letter makes me sick too) and still support Dems who show no vision. If we don’t take this stance and force the Democratic Party to walk the moral highground we are all hypocrites.
October 27th, 2005 at 9:48 amVision is indeed needed, but it may not arrive before the next (or the following) election cycle. I believe we must go with what we have for now and become activists to achieve the very laudable goals espoused in Post #121.
October 27th, 2005 at 9:54 amThe Rebublicans have self-detructed in just 11 months. There are 12 months left to turn the Democrats around. Maybe we can force those good Dems like Hillary to publically admit their errorous ways and use this as a launching platform for a new face to the Democratic Party.
October 27th, 2005 at 10:01 amAgreed! They certainly should come clean, and now would seem to be the most advantageous time for them to do so.
October 27th, 2005 at 10:08 amNow that Harriett has “withdrawn” the hatefilled repugs will get to choose their own far, far right judge and Frist will get his “nuclear”(nukular) option.
October 27th, 2005 at 10:13 amThe dems should force them to use it because I think Americans are getting a little sick of watching their democracy undercut, time and again. If Rove leaves the picture, bush’s brain will be gone and we will find ourselves ruled by james Dobson. Although, I’m not sure Rove will be gone, they may just throw Libby to the wolves(Ann Coulter on Today Show:”The worst that can happen is they lose a guy named Scooter, who I just heard of 5 minutes ago.”), invade Syria, bomb Iran and sneak Rove in the back door. They won’t give up their power or their plans to rule the middle east. Yes, the corruption is obvious and yes, the lies are laying in the open BUT with no media to expose them, the will of the people can easily be ignored. These people are good at what they do. They are insidious and greedy and make no mistake, they will fight dirty. Very dirty.
The struggle in the Middle East is about whos hands the oil flows through on the way to market. Varying religious views will not bring in the money that is needed to pay for a war that does not have vital interests of the Global Conglomerates at stake. This mornings reports about oil company profits during wartime is a good example. The oil companies need to stop being greedy and treat Iran and Syria as oil partners to bring them to the table. I know that Syria has little oil but a share of the profits from Middle Eastern soil would give them sound reason to stop causing trouble.
October 27th, 2005 at 10:36 amThe trouble is that bush foreign policy doesn’t bring people to the table, it hits them over the head with it. He is the Master of Disaster because he truly has no vision. How do you talk to a man who believes his own lies?
October 27th, 2005 at 11:15 amLet’s say, even if Valerie Plames neighbors knew about her, why her? If she was under such “non-covert” status, why would Cheney, Rover and Scoot and Poop care a flip about her? It’s because she is Wilson’s wife.
Watching Tucker Carlson on Real Time with Bill Maher, I couldn’t believe Tucker.. what was he on? Then, it all came to me. The conservatives are just as afraid of the Bush administration, for they too, like Wilson will go down if they do not tote party line, defend W’s policies and say anything to contrast Bush’s defenses. Normally within a group, when cracks begin to appear, people begin to point fingers at each other. But not the GOP, and this is quite unusual. I finally realized, watching Tucker, that they sound so ridiculous because they are defending Bush at any cost so as not to appear disobeying their party. To make things even more sinister, and very Third Reichish, this administration has needed a scapegoat to say to the general public “you are better than these people, so much better that we need to deny them rights, they are less than human, immoral and need to be stopped.. Jews?…no Gays and Lesbians. So.. why the big move to put fear into everybody’s heart? Why do they want to rule so big w/ an iron fist. Well, believe it or not, Hugo Chavez might have the answer, as does the leadership of Bolivia. CIA recruiters have continually come to my university campus, which is 89% Latino and have cooed an lured our best and brightest with the promise of Covert Agent positions. They have openly said that the CIA wants to expand it’s field covert agents by 50%.. all Latino. Looks like the Bushies want to expand their influence and their deep pockets beyond their time in office, all through energy companies and the CIA.
October 27th, 2005 at 11:16 amNow is the time for Democrats to announce they will boycott ANY supreme court nominee from a disgraced President. They can cite his total lack of ability to make good decisions - from Iraq to Kristina to Miers. I’m not sure REpublicans would have the vote to change the Senate rules to disallow the filibuster, because any Republican with a brain realizes the Dems will probably retake the Senate in 06, and if the Republicans change the rules, they will not be able to filibuster when they are in the minority. Now is the time to strike! NO NEW JUDGES FROM DUBBYA! Sanda Day O’Conner can continue to sit until there is a new president in the White House.
October 27th, 2005 at 11:17 amI once read a report about that stated that most of the top people of the Third Reich did not possess the ability to feel the pain of others. Bush and his cronies strike me as exactly these types.
October 27th, 2005 at 11:34 am#130 - They are EXACTLY like the Third Reich. They have no conscience and are not afraid to kill thousands to get what they want - power.
October 27th, 2005 at 12:11 pm#58
your post was the most succinct I’ve seen in any post, comment, rant, or diary . Thanks
“use our troops as slave labor for neo-con wild adventures,”
As with many who post here, I too enjoy contemplating how much these bastids must be sweating Fitz, but then I remember it can’t be anywhere near the dread and terror felt by a 41 year old, father of three, Staff Sergeant on the ground in Haditha, Ramadi, Samarra. And then I want Fitz to take forever lowering the boom, let their fear and loathing last as long as a tour of duty - I’ll wait
October 27th, 2005 at 12:23 pmAnticipation is makin’ me wait. Patience, justice moves slow sometimes. Hope that means Fitz is being THOROUGH. What’s the rush?
October 27th, 2005 at 12:27 pmWhy2K? Herb.
Thanks, #36. That’s the best laugh I have had since Bush was elected.
October 27th, 2005 at 12:31 pmHey Wool, You are the typical Repuglican…Reality and the rest of the world are only what you want it to be…NOT WHAT IS really GOING ON.
October 27th, 2005 at 12:39 pmThis is how we got where we are …Iraq….Millions without healthcare….A middle class all but gone…Corporations moving off shore …Typical Repug
I agree, they are not capable of feeling the pain of others. barbara raised w and gave him the values she holds so dear; the nobility of the ruling class, utter selfishness and disdain for the unwashed masses. He appears to have come up with his own pseudo-religion, in the form of some sort of evangelical, vengeful God-speak that is devoid of compassion and Christian tenets. After James Dobson nominates the next SC judge, we’ll be in for the “nukular” option the repugs are dieing to use. They will continue to push their agenda as if nothing happened and downplay the corruption and criminality in our white house. The media will also trivialize the proceedings and we’ll be back at square one. Fitzgerald is an honest man, the trouble is, no one was really looking for one in the first place. How does the public force truth out into the open when our media and our leaders believe their own lies? How do you debate with someone who isn’t listening and doesn’t care what you think? Polls show that 8 out of 10 Americans believe the white house is guilty and covering up their lies, but I’d like to see the response of those same people is you asked, “Will they get away with their crimes?” Someone will take the fall, but it won’t be the “architects” of this disaster that is American policy.
October 27th, 2005 at 12:51 pmThe Republican strategy seems to be that it’s okay to lie about a political issue because, after all, they’re politicians. But, if you lie about a personal issue like, hypothetically, if a sitting president had consensual sex with an adult, well, that just won’t do because it’s not political.
For more musings on this subject and more…Such as The WHite House’s proposal to use slaves in the Gulf region’s reconstruction, and how job-seeking Americans are following John Roberts’ and Harriett Meiers’ examples of not answering prospective employers’ questions, visit my blog at:
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October 27th, 2005 at 12:55 pmwe better all get ready for the 2005 version of ‘operation northwoods’… why?… because the false ones just don’t seem to be working anymore.
October 27th, 2005 at 1:03 pmHey wool
October 27th, 2005 at 1:06 pmWhat if you are right and I am the one living a fantasy? That would mean that my belief that I live in a democracy, that I am free to express myself and that truth is truth no matter how it is twisted is all wrong. It would mean that you are right and corruption is the new black, vengence is fun, national security leaks are trivial, up is down and right is wrong and death and destruction are noble achievements. No thanks, I like my fantasy better.
Repubs got pissed that Clinton got the fat chick to willingly service him, jealous because they can only pay for it.
October 27th, 2005 at 1:08 pmI think that it is amusing that the outing of a CIA agent responsible for the tracking of black market atomic weapons and other WMD’s , and the subsequent interruption of those investigations, is seen as so unimportant by a Republican Party that is SUPPOSEDLY so concerned with our safety and well being. Anyone associated with Plame, any agents working with her, and any agencies “Fronting” her in this undercover research are now exposed and “outed” also to the people trafficking in these weapons. But little is made of that, and the Repubs shrug that off as inconsequential.How many citizens will agree it was inconsequential if one of those weapons makes its way to Atlanta or Houston?
October 27th, 2005 at 1:21 pmI love the nicknames on post 57. But who are “Chimpy” and “12-hour-head-start shreader card”? (numbers 4 and 5 on list). Someone please post an answer here.
October 27th, 2005 at 1:34 pmAfter the fiascos that followed in the wake of Katrina, Rita and Wilma, it seems almost superfluous to say the Bush Administration is about the “reap the whirlwind”. Regardless, the next 24 hours should be incredible. Chickens come home to roost, and the henhouse will have bars and gun turrets!
October 27th, 2005 at 1:35 pmI too am amazed that the GOP is trivializing treason, but then I was shocked that 9 of them voted FOR torture! It’s hard to believe that they have no shame about breaking the law, undermining national security or selling out our resourses to the no-bid bidder too.
October 27th, 2005 at 1:53 pmCorruption reigns supreme and soon the supremes will be completely corrupted. These are very sad days for America and I’m afraid only to get sadder as they seek to protect the liars and traitors among them. Will they bomb syria? Have they already? They’ve put bush back in his place and they will celebrate this victory over their fearful leader. He won’t like that. Wimp should be used to describe bush whenever possible. Wimp, wimp, wimp. I’m sure he hates being one, sad truth is, he is a bigger wimp than his dad. As hard as he has tried to avoid it, he won the wimp contest today and I hope it hurts. I hope he is mad as a hornet, I hope he appoints Judge Judy next just to get even.
I don’t get it. Wilson has been misrepresenting his story from day 1. Why such a big deal over the wife who hadnt been undercover in like 7 years. Wilson lied about what he found (or didn’t find) in Niger, he lied about discussing with his CIA debriefers certain documentation and signatures he never saw, and he lied about the CIA telling him of certain classified documents and sources. His New York Times op-ed was fiction, as was information he later leaked to the Washington Post, information he gave to other media outlets, and significant aspects of his book.
October 27th, 2005 at 2:00 pmHey….here’s a thought…START BLOGGING BIG TIME ABOUT THE VOTING MACHINES! The Repugs have scandal after scandal but they down-play it every time and the media falls in line as do the “polls” to make it look like in spite of all the scandals it’s still a close race. Throw diebold into the equation and voila another election cycle down the crapper. Don’t let them tell you that safegaurds are not needed or that they are but won’t be in place until after the mid-terms. Public opinion is an incredibly powerful thing, that’s why they propagandize everything they do. ELECTION REFORM NOW!
October 27th, 2005 at 2:05 pm#130
Ability to empathize should be an absolute (and obvious) requirement for public office candidates. (There should be some kind of TEST!) The higher the public office sought, the greater and wider the need for understanding constituents. To serve the people and their constitutionally defined values requires that elected officials know and understand real needs of the people. What do millionaires (W and most of Congress) understand about Social Security Retirement Benefits, Pension Guarantee Benefits, and Health Care Costs of the rest of us? These issues - ARE our lives! But these issues do not even effect the wealthy. They are covered - we are not.
Consider the similar priviledged backgrounds of GW and FDR. Both were mentally and physically nutured within the insulation of extreme priviledge - the kind of priviledge/money/power that can erase failure, replacing it with other “bought” opportunities. FDR, however, was jolted into understanding the “pain of others” through his own suffering of polio. The history of his developing ability to empathize is documented in the Warm Springs records. Polio (and his wife) helped moved FDR from an over-priviledged snob into a legend of compassionate leadership. Aside from his reluctantly admitted alcoholism, what has W ever learned about the “pain of the people”? A mediocre student, who none-the-less won admission and the best education available in US private schools? What can he possibly know about the facts that there are ALWAYS Children Left Behind? Accidents of birth like genius and birth deffects, usually predetermine who’s ahead and who’s behind. Parents with wealth or good alumni connections make the way clear for their lucky off-spring. No Child Left Behind? Please! Administrators of poor schools have reported that No Child Left Behind has simply blamed the victims and offered no funds for help.
Let’s get some brilliant psychologists to devise a fool-proof Empathy Exam, perhaps with added Geography/History/International Cultures/Language (and pronunciation) EXAMS to be required of all candidates for national public office. Results should be made public prior to elections.
October 27th, 2005 at 2:23 pmHeard anything about KEN LAY lately? He has played an enormous role in the sinister BushCo agenda. Those of us in Texas who have witnessed the ruthlessness and arrogance of the ENRON cabal up close and personal, can only hope that Kenny Boy is caught in Fitzgerald’s mousetrap. As for #57’s indictment list, I would elevate Condo-sleaze-za Vice to a higher level than 11….maybe 5 or 6. And don’t forget Laura the Librarian (”George is doing a great job; he’s got broad shoulders”). She will never face a court of law for her criminally enabling support of this insane man and his destruction of America. But there are higher courts.
October 27th, 2005 at 2:31 pmTo: #146:
You’re right. You don’t get it.
May I suggest you go back to watching O’Liely on Fox. He’s more your speed, because the truth is obviously beyond your grasp.
October 27th, 2005 at 2:45 pmRemember, for background to all this, a prosecutor could “indict a ham sandwich if he wanted.”
This is absolutely true. I was on a Federal Grand Jury in San Francisco for 6 mo. It was made up of oler, retired folks mainly. Most had no clue. After a few weeks they just wanted out. We indicted everyone who came to us, just rubber stamped them all.
Finally out of boredom, and some pushing I did, we returned a “no true bill” - that is, we said no indictement.
The Asst. US Attorney actually blurted out “You can’t do that!!” After an embarrassed silence and some stammering, he continued with “…I don’t have the right forms.” I’m sure they just took that case to another sitting Grand Jury to get their True Bill.
Fitzgerald and his team are the ones indicting, and as others have often pointed out, he is no partisan prosecutor. He seems like a guy only interested in true crimes.
Pete
October 27th, 2005 at 2:45 pmCowboy politics, YE HAW! Any volunteers?, Anyway out? a shootout! Prosecuters at dawn, hey where’d everybody go? Dubya/Dubai? DANG COWBOYS!
I wonder when the wounded (us) will crawl out of the line of fire (treason against the citizenship) and regroup!!!
Give them their treasures (Torture) just like they like it (secretly) GO GET UM’ !!! And don’t come back without at LEAST a pound of flesh, eh?
Good nite, and Good Luck!
October 27th, 2005 at 2:59 pm#60 The president of Iran just called for the destruction of Israel. But never mind, we got indictments! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
October 27th, 2005 at 3:27 pmMost Americans are loyal to the USA - NOT isreal which creates its own problems with its mid east terror policy.
Even in the unlikely event that Rove, Cheney and Libby were prosecuted and found guilty, what would their punishment be? Probation, maybe some fines (which they could amply afford and would probably be absorbed by some special interest group eager to score points as a loyal GOP tool) or a few months in a country-club lockup, after which they would enjoy the same sort of cozy post-crime pundit careers as North, Colson, Liddy and Buchanan before them. They will never know anything like the misery that they have inflicted on millions of innocent people with their psychopathic war games.
October 27th, 2005 at 3:28 pmWhen will this circus be over??? Recollection differences and perjury are two different things! Quit grasping at straws and go back under the rock you all came from. There are more serious issues than a “he said, she said” argument. There will be no indictments and then you’ll have nothing to cry and complain about. So go ahead and shut up already!
October 27th, 2005 at 4:11 pmWhy do people call Islamic terrorist Islamic fascist. A fascist is where companies are in bed with the government. Kind of like Halliburton and the US government. Islamic terrorist’s have nothing to do with corporations or fascism. The reality is that the US is turning into a fascist state.
October 27th, 2005 at 7:39 pmRick, Here’s a link from wikipedia. The islamists believe that all business should go through the religious controlled government - so in fact it is a form of ‘religious corporatism’.
Theocracy and Neofascism
However, some critics categorize the Christian Reconstructionist movement as a form of totalitarianism or theocratic neofascism. For example, Karen Armstrong sees a potential for fascism in Christian Reconstructionism, and notes that the system of dominion envisaged by Christian Reconstructionist theologians R. J. Rushdoony and Gary North “is totalitarian. There is no room for any other view or policy, no democratic tolerance for rival parties, no individual freedom,” (Armstrong, Battle for God, pp. 361-362). Berlet and Lyons have written that the movement is a “new form of clerical fascist politics,” (”Right-Wing Populism in America”, p. 249). Many critics view that a Christian Reconstructionist state in the U.S. would much resemble the Taliban in Afghanistan or the theocratic dictatorship in Iran under Ayatollah Khomeini and his successors. One of the derogatory terms often used for Reconstructionists is American Taliban, asserting that they are similar to the Taliban in ideology, differing only in their particular religious sect.
Christian Reconstructionist leader Gary North, himself has written that he favors “limited civil government and extensive self-government”[3] and has accused American conservatives of embarking on “an ancient revolutionary program of world transformation through force of arms”.
October 27th, 2005 at 8:05 pmMy prediction is that W will pardon those indicted before they face trial. He cannot afford a trial that could put him smack in the middle of this mess.
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October 27th, 2005 at 9:59 pm#143, chimpy aka dumbya aka the pResident
October 27th, 2005 at 11:33 pm12hour head start refers to Andy Card (he was told 12 hours in advance that the WH would be searched for evidence and given the wink wink nod nod to wait to tell the staff until later) So they did the ‘ollie north’ shreadfest to clean up their trails.
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