Hannity’s Attack On Fitzgerald Falls Flat
Hannity’s Attack On Fitzgerald Falls Flat
Earlier this week, Republican pollster Frank Luntz said, “If [Fitzgerald] indicts, they [the White House] will have no choice but to attempt to demonize him. I think that is going to be really, really tough.â€
Fox News’s Sean Hannity took up Luntz’s challenge last night. He said, “[W]ho is Patrick Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor? …[H]e’s made some surprising statements. We’re going to tell you what we’ve uncovered tonight.â€
First, Hannity went on to discuss only one Fitzgerald statement, which was about Martha Stewart prosecutor James Comey. Here’s the quote:
“I think what drives [Comey] is a commitment to justice and wanting to do the right thing in a right way. The people who get involved in the system, witnesses, jurors, judges, defense lawyers and even defendants, come away with a respect for what he does and how he does it.†[Today Show, 6/30/03]
Hardly damning, but let’s look at what else Hannity “uncovered.” He said last night, “The Chicago Tribune quoted one of [Fitgerald’s] former colleagues in the U.S. attorney’s office in New York as saying ‘[P]robably Fitzgerald’s greatest talent was finding creative ways to interpret the law.’â€
But that’s not a direct quote, it’s the reporter’s characterization. Here’s what Fitzgerald’s colleague actually said:
“When you’d looked at a case from every angle and you were sure you didn’t have what was needed to take it forward, you could show it to Pat and he’d say, ‘Have you thought about charging this?’†[Chicago Tribune, 2/27/05]
It appears this “brilliant and apolitical†prosecutor will survive the right-wing attack machine and see his “very dignified investigaton†through to the end.
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Is anyone surprised?
October 27th, 2005 at 4:30 pmHannity’s “scoop” is the most exciting journalism since Geraldo unlocked Al Capone’s vaults!
October 27th, 2005 at 4:31 pmTypical Hannity blathering. What a shil.
October 27th, 2005 at 4:32 pmRove is about to fall, and it looks like his smear techniques are already on their way down…
October 27th, 2005 at 4:32 pmNo, i’m not suprised. Hannity is an irrational human being, he could be press secretary for this White House. What does suprise me is this site is still under some delusion that Fox and Hannity will actually make a positive contribution to the political dialog.
October 27th, 2005 at 4:35 pmSean Hannity is a racist and a Nazi. It’s a condition of employment at Fox that you be both.
Hannity’s Soul-Mate of Hate
October 27th, 2005 at 4:40 pm#5 GW:
I don’t think this site is under any “delusion” about Faux News or SlantHead. However, they seem doggedly determined to shine a little sunlight into their dark, putrid, and ugly corners.
October 27th, 2005 at 4:41 pmAnother conspirancy to slime another American by the same ones involved in the conspirancy to slime Wilson.
Maybe DOJ should take on FoxNews and the other conspirators! You think?
October 27th, 2005 at 4:43 pmIn other news, the Coin guy has been indicted! Yeeha!
October 27th, 2005 at 4:49 pmSpinsannity Hannity is such a loser!
October 27th, 2005 at 5:01 pmDo they even see the irony of trying to smear the prosecutor in a case about leaking classified information in an attempt to smear someone? Do they?
October 27th, 2005 at 5:07 pmWHAT IF THEY THREW A SMEAR CAMPAIGN
AND NOBODY
CAME!
.
October 27th, 2005 at 5:21 pmgood point, Rocky… smear campaigns only work if people believe them… so far neocons have gobbled up everything thrown their way…
October 27th, 2005 at 5:24 pmNo one is attacking Fitzgerald the way the left-wing smear machine attacked Kenneth Starr, Kathleen Willey, Juanitta Broadrick, et al.
The hypocrisy on this site is staggering, but totally unsurprising.
October 27th, 2005 at 5:33 pmNot yet, wwwwwallace.
October 27th, 2005 at 5:41 pmPhaux News scores a coup.
We here on the liberal side of life would also like a coup, just not one by more idiot neo-cons.
wwallace - go suck eggs. If you want to compare trying to impeach a president over lying about consentual adultery then where do you stand reguarding impeaching a president who lied and took a nation to war against a soverign nation THAT DID NO HARM TO US and has already KILLED OVER 2000 American GI’s (not to mention the foreigners killed in this lunacy).
Bite me hard dude.
October 27th, 2005 at 5:47 pmOff thread, check out Media Matters. They just put up O’Lielly’s list of “cowards.” That hypocritical bastard!
October 27th, 2005 at 5:53 pmHAnnity’s a grate journalist! Dan Rather should be so scoopalicious!
Loosers………
October 27th, 2005 at 6:35 pm#19
Possession of a mind that concludes that Hannity is a “grate” journalist and holds him in such high regard is punishment enough, I guess.
I will agree though, that Hannity does grate on one’s nerves.
October 27th, 2005 at 6:49 pmDuchamp, you’re funny…..I’m not sure how I feel about being a looser either (though its been years since I’ve considered myself tight), but it can’t be all bad :)
October 27th, 2005 at 7:07 pmWhy do liberals feel so threatened by Hannity and Fox? Let me explain. Their monopoly over the media is over as they knew it and we are living in a new age where we don’t have to buy all the crap the liberal media is dishing out.
October 27th, 2005 at 7:07 pmOoh, ooh Randy, pick me.
Sean Hannity is the poster boy for media lies and hypocrisy. Personally, I think he’s far more dishonest than O’Reilly. Bill’s more angry and batshit crazy than Hannity who is pompous and smug. When it comes to facts though, this guy pulls them straight from either Karl Rove or his ass, whichever he gets his hands on first. When entire websites can be dedicated to putting the lie to every claim and quote you make and they do it with ease and on a daily basis, I’m pretty sure its not a threat. Call it how you see it though. Let freedom ring and all that….
October 27th, 2005 at 7:13 pmJay,
What happened? Were you teased as a child or dropped as a baby? You are screwed up.
October 27th, 2005 at 7:28 pmRandy,
Why must you project your childhood on others? When people point out your irrationality, stupidity and inablity to distinguish fact or reality, you accuse others of the very tantrum and childlike behaviors you exhibit. You’re a sad little man…
October 27th, 2005 at 7:30 pm“Why do liberals feel so threatened by Hannity and Fox? ”
Well, lets see. They repeat lies, spew propaganda and brainwash an entire intellectually challenged portion of the population (that would be you), and turn them into mindless zombies.
“Let me explain. Their monopoly over the media is over as they knew it and we are living in a new age where we don’t have to buy all the crap the liberal media is dishing out.”
Wait, just earlier this week you republicans complained that the MSM was a liberal monopoly - and now you’re saying the monopoly is ‘over’? Did anyone send out that memo? You really should stop contradicting the other republican propagandists here, you all look very sloppy, disorganized and inconsistent.
As for the ‘liberal media’, if fox has the top ratings for news shows as your fellow partisan hacks say, then isn’t Faux the MSM media? So isn’t the MSM a CONSERVATIVE outlet at that point? MainStream means the thing most do - so if it is the ‘most watched’ news, then isn’t it the ‘main stream’?
I know logic, reason and consistency isn’t the strong suit of the stupid, the liar or the propagandist, but wow, you’re even worse at this than the typical idiot trolls that come here!
October 27th, 2005 at 7:33 pmPercentage of journalists who are registered dems: 34%
Percentage of journalists who are NOT dems: 66%
So once again, ‘what’ liberal press were you referring to? Oh yeah, the one in your fantasy life!
IDIOT!
October 27th, 2005 at 7:35 pmkindness,
Despite your openly pro-Saddam rantings, Presidetn Bush didn’t lie about Iraq.
And Clinton was impeached for lying to a grand jury in the context of a sexual harassment lawsuit. Do you believe it’s OK for anyone accused of sexual harassment to lie, or only Clinton?
October 27th, 2005 at 7:39 pmBecause an end to the liberal media monopoly is bad for liberals. Truth is the enemy of the left.
October 27th, 2005 at 7:40 pm#27
October 27th, 2005 at 7:44 pmNot that I’m disputing your numbers, but would you post the source for those percentages ( I’d like to check out your source for my own reference ). Thx
Percentage of journalists who are registered dems: 34%
Percentage of journalists who are NOT dems: 66%
So once again, ‘what’ liberal press were you referring to? Oh yeah, the one in your fantasy life!
Is Ryan really too stupid to see the obvious difference between “registered Dem” and “liberal”? Evidently he is too stupid. :()
October 27th, 2005 at 7:47 pm#29
“Because an end to the liberal media monopoly is bad for liberals. Truth is the enemy of the left.” -wwallace
What are you basing this view on? What media monopolies are you speaking of, and who/what owns them? Where do you get your facts… please share so we all can be enlightened.
October 27th, 2005 at 7:48 pmkindness,
Despite your openly pro-Saddam rantings, Presidetn Bush didn’t lie about Iraq.
I didn’t see anything pro-Saddam in what kindness said. But I see some lies in what Bush said.
Did Bush say the aluminum tubes were suitable for gas centrifuges? Because that would be a lie. Did he say Saddam tried to buy uranium from Africa? That would be a lie. Did he say Saddam was a year away from building a nuclear weapon? Also a lie. What’s more, his own intelligence estimates debunked all three before he made the claims.
Now go ahead and tell us: Bush never claimed the aluminum tubes were suitable for gas centrifuges, he never said Saddam tried to buy uranium from Africa, he never said Iraq was a year away from building nuclear weapons.
Speaking of pro-Saddam rantings, look at these same Republicans in the 1980s. Turns out Amnesty International was right, Rumsfeld was wrong! Or do you still believe Saddam is such a great guy? Maybe Rumsfeld can sell him some more guns. You know, for the conservative cause.
And Clinton was impeached for lying to a grand jury in the context of a sexual harassment lawsuit. Do you believe it’s OK for anyone accused of sexual harassment to lie, or only Clinton?
OK? No. Impeachable? Also no. It was a civil matter. The case was thrown out of court, but the Republican scumbags didn’t care about that.
Unlike a quagmire war-like police action that chews up our troops one by one (five by five on a bad day), Clinton’s private improprieties affect my life not one bit. Maybe you don’t know the difference between something that affects the whole contry and something that doesn’t. We’ll just agree to disagree.
October 27th, 2005 at 7:54 pmBecause an end to the liberal media monopoly is bad for liberals. Truth is the enemy of the left.
Well, then. Let’s put Bush and Cheney on the stand under oath and let some of our top lawyers ask them about the Iraq war. That much truth would surely drive the final nail into the liberal coffin!
October 27th, 2005 at 7:55 pm#29 - “Truth is the enemy of the left”
Too funny. I haven’t seen much truth coming from the right lately. Plus, there’s never been a “liberal media monopoly” - where do you get those fantasies?
The problem with Hannity and his ilk is they don’t know what the truth is, and when faced with it, cry like babies. Look at O’Reilly as a good example of someone who’s self-destructing under his own lies.
October 27th, 2005 at 7:56 pmSean Hannity- the “Parsons” of Neocon talk radio! (that is, in Orwell’s 1984).
This lying moron has been doing everything he can in what he thinks is a sly way to smear Fitzgerald. Too bad for him that Bush has stated publicly that he thought Fitagerald was conducting a dignified investigation.
October 27th, 2005 at 8:03 pm“Is Ryan really too stupid to see the obvious difference between “registered Dem†and “liberalâ€? Evidently he is too stupid. :()”WimpyWallace,
Ah, so now they’re ‘covert’ liberals. Actually they were asked whether they were ‘liberals’ or not as well, and even fewer than the 34% considered their politics liberal. In fact only 30% were liberal on social issues, and only 11% were liberal on economic issues.
Wow, you sure do have a habit of forming conclusion in the face of contradictory evidence. You must be an evangelical. You should ride your TRex Jesus Horse over to the 8,000 year old earth park and tell everyone you have all the answers. Because for someone who knows so little, you spread that ignorance better than a manure spreader…
October 27th, 2005 at 8:19 pm#36
October 27th, 2005 at 8:21 pmI guess that would make Tim Russert Napoleon from Animal Farm…
First, feeding trolls only encourages them.
Second, we’re all Americans. I didn’t like Clinton’s lying, and I don’t like the allegations of the current Administration’s lying.
We should spend less time fighting amongst ourselves and more time looking at the bigger picture. Whatever the outcome of Fitz’s investigation, we’re all going to be swallowed up in the consequences.
We should demand more of our elected officials, or find some ones that actually want to act on our behalf like they are supposed to.
As a native Chicagoan, I’m glad to see Fitzgerald hasn’t changed now that he’s on a national stage. He’s still Eliott Ness with a sense of humor. ;)
October 27th, 2005 at 8:28 pmxoblog,
Agreed. This isn’t a partisan issue. It is an American issue. Anyone who puts nation instead of party first should understand this.
Duchamp,
I would think more of Kristol or Perle as being human representations of “Napolean” than Russert.
October 27th, 2005 at 8:36 pmFitzgerald appears to be as or even more brilliant a legal mind than John Roberts. Funny, the right-wing didn’t seem to have a problem with HIS fancy lawyering at all!
October 27th, 2005 at 8:43 pm.
How about pulling out some of those quotes and throwing them back at Fitz-demonizers’ faces?
.
#40
October 27th, 2005 at 8:44 pmYeah, it may have been a little bit of a stretch on my part. I’m guilty of trying to force a potato where a pearl belonged.
xoblog - I am soooo with you on the whole ‘come together’ thing…I simply cannot stand partisanship for its own sake…
however, as easily represented in the posts by those called ‘trolls’, there are many who care not one whit for the actual facts or that anyone and everyone who damages this country be held accountable.
All they care about is the “rah-rah, shit-boom bah” style of superbowl politics - or, more correctly, european football politics (the crowds in europe are much more likely to be incredibly small minded, and more likely to be super-team-oriented, rather than appreciate and benefit from the overall competitive nature of the sport).
So, don’t stop believing in one America, but don’t decry those who decry partisanship - if we don’t work to point it out and try to convince others to stop, it won’t get any better.
And, with people like Hannity and Limbaugh, it’ll only get worse.
October 27th, 2005 at 8:46 pm#33: You can’t demonstrate that Bush lied about anything, cynical doped-up hippie. Saying something that you believe to be true, and then finding out later you were wrong, is not by definition a lie. Bush based his decision to invade and liberate Iraq on a reasonable assessment of the intel info he had available at the time. There was broad-based consensus throughout the 1990s that Iraq was a threat.
Saddam Hussein was a fascist dictator who murdered his own people, supported terrorists, and sought WMD for decades. But the American left would rather bash the president. These are irrefutable facts.
October 27th, 2005 at 9:24 pmThe brainwashed reichwingers who still think the press is liberal should bone up on more recent stats. Ryan notes some facts in post #27. The newspapers have swung in the same direction, particularly since the consolidation of media by a few corporations has eliminated the independent thinkers. Now we have tv anchors beholden to their advertisers and owners, who are the same people who also own the papers and their advertisers, who are the corporations, and they are predominantly conservative Bush/Republican supporters.
October 27th, 2005 at 9:24 pmThe party so favored by the corporate heads also controls the House and Senate (and pay the lobbyists)so there are no checks and balances anywhere in government, not even the judiciary (I won’t go into that!). Even if the thick-headed trolls don’t disagree with the current state of events, why would they be so unable to see that a one-sided, lop-sided government with stifled opposition is unhealthy, undemocratic, and is likely to become a monster that even they will live to regret.
#37, Ryan, liberals often lie, often by denying they’re liberals. So what’s your point? The fact remains, you equated being a registered Dem with being a liberal. That’s idiotic.
October 27th, 2005 at 9:26 pm#45, Marie: The mainstream national media outlets are overwhelmingly to the left. The Earth is not flat. Get a grip.
October 27th, 2005 at 9:28 pmAs much as I’d love to come together as Americans and stamp out the power-elitists posing as our representatives and those that follow them blindly, I am also reminded because of this of my right to bear arms. Scary, yes, but far more serious than we tend to realize.
October 27th, 2005 at 9:37 pm#47 - “…mainstream national media outlets are overwhelmingly to the left.” -wwallace
Would you care to provide some proof for that allegation?
I’ll even help you a little bit. In the interest of sharing information and providing a foundation for sound and reasonable debate, try checking out this site.
I’m not going to do all the work for you. Knowledge and understanding is not for the lazy. Cite some sources to back up your claims, otherwise, you’re guilty of your own accusations.
October 27th, 2005 at 9:43 pm“Ryan, liberals often lie, often by denying they’re liberals. So what’s your point? The fact remains, you equated being a registered Dem with being a liberal. That’s idiotic.”
Have you ever gone for diagnosis, this statement is completely schizophrenic. Your paranoia is absolutely bizarre. Just replace ‘liberal’ with ‘black’ and you’re a white supremacist. Just replace ‘liberal’ with ‘jew’ and you’re a WWII nazi. You’re a crazy wierdo.
“The mainstream national media outlets are overwhelmingly to the left. The Earth is not flat. Get a grip.”WallaceTheLiar
Prove it. This has been debunked, you’re a liar.
October 27th, 2005 at 9:44 pmAnyone who wants to read the actual article referred to by Ace Investigative Reporter Sean Hannity should use this URL.
http://carcopy.blogspot.com/ 2005/ 02/ chicago-tribune-magazine-bulldog.html
The person above who compared Hannity to Geraldo with his Capone vault hit the nail on the head. This article is much ado about nothing, yet Hannity knows the hanniots who listen and believe the garbage he spouts off with aren’t intelligent enough to research this for themselves.
October 27th, 2005 at 9:46 pmDuchamp,
Republicans lie without evidence, and as wallace demostrates the lies just get bigger in the face of overwhelming evidence. It doesn’t matter that the media is owned by 7 large and CONSERVATIVE companies. It doesn’t matter that surveys show journalists are not liberal. It doesn’t matter that journalists complain about reichwing censorship. None of that matters, reichwingers have a preconception, and darned if they won’t believe their delusion no matter what proof is shown. Just like creationists believe the world is 8000 years old (did you notice wallace didn’t dispute that belief). They’re retarded.
October 27th, 2005 at 9:47 pmDuchamp, all the evidence you seek is here - http://www.mediaresearch.org/
The mainstream media is overwhelmingly liberal, that is irrefutable.
October 27th, 2005 at 9:52 pmwwally,
The world isn’t flat? That’s your comeback to a lberal? Coming from a blind-trust, fundamentally twisted-christian GOP sympathizer such as you and your heros makes NO SENSE! Read your history. It was the neo-fascist church doctrine that clung to the idea that the world was flat and that the sun, moon and stars all revolved around it. And to that the denial of evolution and you start to see a pattern and modus operandi, correct?
Liberal MSM my ass. Now pull your head out of yours.
October 27th, 2005 at 9:52 pmA lefty calling names, that’s original! :()
October 27th, 2005 at 9:53 pmIt appears that wwallace is unable to read and consider anything that is not wihtin his narrow scope of comprehension. He is stuck on one track.
October 27th, 2005 at 9:53 pmPoor bastard.
BTW, there is a new head at CBS, a Bush-donor, a conservative who tends toward superficial and sensational programming — think he might be one of those liberals?
Ooh, there’s one conservative at CBS!!?!?! How balanced! *LOL*
October 27th, 2005 at 9:55 pmwwally,
Are you truly THAT dense? I don’t mean that simply to call you names, but MY GOD, are you?
October 27th, 2005 at 10:01 pmwwalace is an embicile.
October 27th, 2005 at 10:04 pmthe intel that Bush “received” and gave to the congress and the American people was cherry picked through the Office of Special Plans. All evidence
points to lies - and to ignore this is to place party before country. stfu wwallace
#52
That link was for every person participating in this thread. It’s a good start to an objective study in media ownership.
I can appreciate and understand your frustration, Ryan. At times, there appears to be more passion than reason on this blog (from both sides). Personally, I won’t engage in attacking people, no matter how assinine and uniformed their opinions may appear to be.
I truly believe that a few right-leaning individuals, when given objective information from a source with no axe to grind, may actually be inspired to think for themselves and formulate their own opinions (not repeat talking points). That’s the first step towards being in charge (and responsible) for your own life.
Attacking people whom you don’t agree with won’t help them to learn or change - it just makes them dig in deeper and lowers the level of discourse.
Maybe I’m a bit naive, but I really don’t have anything invested in my posts here (except time), so I really don’t have much to lose by acting in this manner.
October 27th, 2005 at 10:12 pmFunny, and here I was thinking that GE (yeah the GE that has more military contracts than Halliburton) who owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC might have some ties to the GOP. Go figure.
And its so weird that when I watch ABC news, their broadcasts are underwritten by Wal-Mart.
What about all those commercials for Kerr-McGee, Conoco-Phillips and BP that I always see when I watch Hardball?
Wow, I had no idea all of those companies were “liberal”. wallace, you’re an embarassment to the human race. Too bad it’s not painful to be stupid.
October 27th, 2005 at 10:13 pmThe ONLY liberal media in the nation (excluding print) is AirAmerica. That’s it. Not even NPR has escaped the wolves of the rightwing.
October 27th, 2005 at 10:31 pmI don’t think my last post made it - this is a test posting. Sorry to waste the bandwidth.
October 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pmIf I were working for CBS and the head of the news department asked me to alter my stories to reflect his right-wing point of view without giving balance to the left-wing point of view, I would stage a walkout and encourage any journalists, newswriters, production assistants and interns who have the balls to join me. The walkout would be done in the name of the 1st Amendment, something that Nazi communist cow Coulter despises
October 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pmwwallace (love the link to Braveheart)
How can someone “invade and liberate”? Your words
Broadbased consensus in the 90’s (Not 2003) - Not from the IAEA who where the only people on the ground in Iraq.
Saddam did murder his own people, but I don’t see the US rushing off to Zimbabwe or North Korea. And of course the US provided Saddam with the weapons and technology to kill these people (Insert photo of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam here)
I think you and Dickey boy are the only people who still believe he supported terrorists.
The only thing that is ‘irrefutable’ is your stupidity.
October 28th, 2005 at 7:21 amMighty vicious out here. Everyone a little excited (or edgy) waiting to see about Fitz? I must agree with M. Duchamp that the only way to have an intelligent discourse is to avoid insults and vulgarities. Note the build-up to most bar fights: as soon as the cussing starts, the fight is on. Mind you, should a “troll” insist on non-arguments and insults then I would say either ignore them, or respond in kind. I prefer, generally, to ignore them. Insults are easy (which is why the inept resort to them so often). Insults are easier when you are not face to face. Not that I am telling anyone what to do - I am offering my perspective. If you make a good point, and then end with an insult, even IF the target of the point is willing to consider what you say, if there is an insult included that will overshadow reason most of the time, and the conversation will degrade.
October 28th, 2005 at 9:13 amHeard last night (8:57 p.m. EDT) from Michael Savage on The Savage Nation:
“Indictments expected tomorrow from Patrick Fitzgerald. Don’t rush to judgment. This man could be the Eliot Ness of our time. He is not biased against the Bush administration.”
October 28th, 2005 at 10:01 ammysticagent,
For the most part I agree, keeping the bombastic rhetoric to a minimum serves whatever argument you’re making. I do however believe that there are times when you have to call a spade a spade. Stupidity, ignorance, are words that have meaning after all. When bogus or misleading arguments continue to be made in the face of logic, reason and facts….?
October 28th, 2005 at 10:20 amTrolls abound lately.
wwallace is the new guy on the block.
I have to think they are preping for the fall. They are trying to get a few licks in before their “sainted” leaders are exposed as lying hypocrites. On that matter - yo hitler youth…to us it doesn’t matter whether or not you believe or accept our version of events. You have shown a willingness to swill the Kool Aide. It’s OK, we only hope you will admit the error of your ways well after all the dirty laundry has been exposed (probably won’t be till after the next presidential election). We don’t even expect you to admit it here. “I’m sorry, I was wrong” sure seems to stick in some folks craws.
But we all have to live with the consequences of our leaders poor choices. So even if bush went into Iraq with the best of intentions (we disagree on that point), we are now viewed by the majority of the Iraqi people as occupiers and need to go (we should agree on that point, but I’m sure some won’t).
So the whole Fitzmas thing may be fun for us but only a blip on the radar screen of time & history. It’s good for underlying the way this administration plays. Dirty & with their own intersts (not the people of this great nation) in mind. Kids bullying others on the playground. wtf, they won’t change. Even if half of them end up in jail (they won’t, dumbya WILL pardon them).
One last point. Stop yelling! No need to bold everything or make everything all caps. Didn’t your mother teach you ANY manners or do you hate her too?
I’d make a joke about trailer park trash but that would be beneath me (not).
October 28th, 2005 at 10:20 amThe more you call names, the more I know I’m right. thank you all. :()
#61, jay: You’ve offered no evidence that the sponsors of those shows either influence content in any way or are conservative.
#73, Anthony: No serious person argues that Saddam Hussein did not support terrorists.
October 28th, 2005 at 11:47 am“Bush based his decision to invade and liberate Iraq on a reasonable assessment of the intel info he had available at the time.”
Oh god, make it stop. You’re killing me. Nobody could be that obtuse.
So if someone else makes up the lie, and Bush merely repeats it, I guess that absolves him.
Try looking up “cognitive dissonance.”
Bush: “The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.” (State of the Union address)
Rice: “The statement that he made was indeed accurate. The British government did say that.”
Rumsfeld: “It turns out that it’s technically correct what the president said, that the U.K. does — did say that — and still says that.”
“Randy”: “I never said your wife’s a whore. What I said was: Jim found out your wife’s a whore.” (a comment on dKos via causality)
October 28th, 2005 at 2:06 pmUnder democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right.
H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
October 28th, 2005 at 3:13 pmFaux news is what I have called the NaziNetwork for years. You’ll notice that the bush-crime family has a family member in a high position there too.
There has never been a moment when the bush-crime family has been in politics that there has not been some scandal attached to them:
1940’s Found to be helping finance the Nazi’s and had their assets frozen for violation of trading with the enemy act october 1942. Prescott (dumbya’s grampa) profited directly from slave labor.
1945 - time to cleanse the family name - send HW to the navy and create a hero.
1950’s Prescott calls in favors and gets in politics
1960’s HW-big daddy in CIA has ties with Oswald Johnson cheeney and rover- makes many trips from tx to fl. Helps pen the “operation northwoodsâ€. (fyi: operation northwoods was an idea to use a domestic terror attack and blame it on Cuba to justify military action against them.) Helps set up a young dictator, moves him from Egypt to Bagdad, puts him on CIA payroll and pays for his apartment. Later installs him as leader - can you say Sadam?
1970’s big-daddy is CIA, Cheeney on the scene, rover on the scene can you guys say Watergate? Sideline: Kadafi on CIA payroll - some guys in south america on CIA payroll too.
1980’s big-daddy is Vice, Ray-gun is asleep, dumbsfailed arranges to sell WMD’s to big-daddy’s friend Sadam Husein and gives a wink wink nod nod to gas the curds. And Iran-contra.
1990’s big-daddy is pissed cause he can’t steal the election and helps the wing-nut zealots do a witchhunt on Clinton.
2000 - stolen election
2002 - operation northwoods comes to pass, time to invade some countries & steal their oil. Time to make big bucks for big business and family business (carlyle group)
2003 - damage control - Plamegate begins
2004 - steal election
2005 - get tit in wringer.
October 28th, 2005 at 4:15 pm81. One addition:
1980’s - Bush family scions all seem to have connections to failed S&L’s, and, interestingly enough, all seem to have profited from said connections.
The only looted S&L thoroughly investigated? Something called Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan, which, strangely enough, was nowhere near the most expensive bailout of any financial institution in Arkansas. You should see the figures for Texas. Hmmm, go figure.
October 28th, 2005 at 4:55 pmThroughoutthe 1990s, there was broad, bipartisan consensus that Iraq was a threat.
Then, in 2001, George W. Bush became president, and Democrats began lying about that consensus, because they hate Bush more than they love America, which isn’t much.
There is indeed evidence that Iraq sought uranium in Africa. That their may be conflicting evidence does not in any way indicate the president lied.
October 28th, 2005 at 5:14 pm“Heard last night (8:57 p.m. EDT) from Michael Savage on The Savage Nation:…”
Savage has since reverted to form. Last night, he proceeded to trash Fitz and mock his father for being a doorman. According to Savage, (real name Weiner) Fitz is probably looking for a book deal or cheap publicity.
Savage either lied or didn’t know what he was talking about when he said the sobriquet “Elliot Ness” came about when he was charged with conducting the Plame investigation when in fact, it came about when he was sent to Chicago. I bet is that he is being a knave as verses a fool as Hannity is, most of the time.
Neocon talk radio is nothing more than an open sewer of lies and disinformation conveyed by the lowest of human life.
October 29th, 2005 at 3:07 pm#6 - Sean Hannity is a racist and a Nazi. It’s a condition of employment at Fox that you be both.
Hannity’s Soul-Mate of Hate
Comment by The Southwest Solution — October 27, 2005 @ 4:40 pm
***** Citing an article from “The Nation” has as much credibility as quoting the “American Spectator” - try again.
#26 - “Well, lets see. They repeat lies, spew propaganda and brainwash an entire intellectually challenged portion of the population (that would be you), and turn them into mindless zombies.”
October 29th, 2005 at 6:29 pmComment by Puny Putz
***** Puny, I surmised from your quote that you were discussing CNN, PBS, CBS and all the other news outlets conservatives have had to sift through for years. It is amazing that libs get their panties in a twist when conservatives get to hear both sides of a debate on news commentary shows. I know - I know, it WAS more fun for libs when discussion panels would consist of three libs vs. one conservative - but if you don’t like Fox, take your own advice when it comes to matters of the “offensive” media - don’t watch!
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