Who Was “Under Secretary of State” In June 2003?
Who Was “Under Secretary of State” In June 2003?
According to the indictments, one of the first people to tell Scooter Libby about Valerie Wilson’s identity was an “Under Secretary of State”:
On or about June 11 or 12, 2003, the Under Secretary of State orally advised Libby in the White House that, in sum and substance, Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA and that State Department personnel were saying that Wilson’s wife was involved in the planning of his trip.
There are 6 people who hold that title in the State Department. Here are the people who held the position of Under Secretary of State in June 2003:
John Robert Bolton
Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security AffairsMarc Isaiah Grossman
Under Secretary of State for Political AffairsGrant S. Green
Under Secretary of State for ManagementCharlotte L. Beers
Under Secretary of State for Public DiplomacyPaula J. Dobriansky
Under Secretary of State for Global AffairsAlan Phillip Larson
Under Secretary of State for Economic, Business, and Agricultural Affairs
Obviously, certain people are more likely candidates than others.
UPDATE: On MSNBC, Newsweek’s Mike Isakoff says it’s Grossman.
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Pick an under Secretary, any Under Secretary. Now, don’t show it to me. Abra Cadabra – Bolton!
October 28th, 2005 at 2:46 pmHow do figure that out ZK?
October 28th, 2005 at 2:51 pmI didn’t, really. I just want it quite badly. Wish it so works for Georgie, after all!
October 28th, 2005 at 2:55 pmDumb Fox -Who was the only one of that group to visit Miller in jail?
October 28th, 2005 at 2:55 pmLibby (and, presumably the unnamed Undersecretary) had clearance to know her name so there’s no wrongdoing there. It’s only illegal for him to pass that classified info to others who don’t have clearance…you know, like reporters. Like he did, according to the indictment. So where’s the charges?
Fitz’s baseball analogy seems to indicate that he couldn’t conclude definitively that Libby (and “Official A”) knew that her status was classified.
Fitz also said that pretty much all the investigative work was done, and said that the new grand jury was a necessary formality and was not an indication that he’ll indict others.
Worst. Fitzmas. Ever.
October 28th, 2005 at 2:55 pm#4 – Should have indicated my sarcasm!
Plame – CIA WMD operative (esp. nukes); Bolton – UnderSec for Arms Control.
No fuzzy math there.
October 28th, 2005 at 3:01 pmThanks for looking that up, Judd
October 28th, 2005 at 3:01 pmOh its Bolton, there’s simply no doubt about that.
I was hoping he was going to be a surprise indictment today….oh well, maybe next time.
October 28th, 2005 at 3:03 pmActually, Josh figured it out. :)
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
or is this one of those Newtonian “Two people invented calculus at the same time” kinda things? :D
October 28th, 2005 at 3:04 pmI say it’s Paula J. Dobriansky!
October 28th, 2005 at 3:04 pmThis story may provide some clues? John Bolton was Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs and was David Wurmser’s boss:
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Second_Cheney_aide_cooperating_in_leak_1019.html
“Wurmser, Cheney’s Middle East advisor and an assistant to then-Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs John Bolton, likely cooperated because he faced criminal charges for his role in leaking Wilson’s name on the orders of higher-ups, the sources said.”
October 28th, 2005 at 3:13 pm# 5 – sorry I missed the sarcasm – was too busy dancing around my desk!
October 28th, 2005 at 3:14 pmIt was Marc Grossman.
Vandehei and Pincus already wrote about it earlier:
October 28th, 2005 at 3:20 pmhttp://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/005758.php
No sirree Bob, it was Bolton, our representativ at the UN.
Why else was he visiting the Cheney says miller says girl in jail 4 times.
To try and get their stories straight of course.
October 28th, 2005 at 3:26 pmRhymes with “Molten”
October 28th, 2005 at 3:30 pmSo is THIS why Dubya was so desperate to get Bolton into the UN, so he couldn’t be indicted (owing, perhaps, to diplomatic immunity)? If so, it goes all the way to the President. As always, he can pardon everyone involved, even himself … so I’m not holding my breath that anyone’s going to be held accountable in the long run.
October 28th, 2005 at 3:42 pmRhymes with Verboten…..
I posted my top 10 picks for indictments a few days ago, and guess who was on the list?
Bolton.
I am seeing that the wing-nuts want to still say a BJ is worse than Treason. They do seem to scream loudly when in danger.
October 28th, 2005 at 3:42 pmAnd who’s “Official A”, the person identified in the indictment as having spoken to Novak? Three guesses, and the first two don’t count.
October 28th, 2005 at 3:42 pmdumbya’s in your face politics seem to be backfiring!
Merry Fitzmas!
October 28th, 2005 at 3:44 pmonly foreign diplomats get immunity. he ain’t got nuttin!
October 28th, 2005 at 3:48 pm#18 POW! All up in ya face! PADOW!
October 28th, 2005 at 3:48 pmAndrew – are you sure that domestic diplomats don’t get immunity?
October 28th, 2005 at 4:04 pmGod, please make Bolton’s mustache come to life and choke him.
October 28th, 2005 at 4:09 pmI can’t wait to see Bolton frog marched out of the UN.
October 28th, 2005 at 5:11 pmWhat about Karen “Man Hands” Hughes ? Isnt SHE an Undersecy at State ? And she was/is in WHIG too !
October 28th, 2005 at 5:13 pmI figured long ago Ned Flanders was in-didily-volved. The moustache needs to go down in flames. I wondered about that recess appointment. He knew he had Bush by the short hairs.
October 28th, 2005 at 5:16 pmmy bet is on john bolton.
any odds on this one?
October 28th, 2005 at 5:35 pmIt was Grossman, not Bolton, but there’s more to the story – why is the Office of the VPOTUS asking an Under Secretary to investigate a CIA operation?
Josh Marshall suggested that it was because the Secretary of State (Powell) and the Deputy Secretary of State (Armitage) were out of town. But the day that Libby made the request, and the days that the Under Secretary “orally advised” Libby that Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA, Powell was in Washington.
See the URL for my blog up above for details and links.
October 28th, 2005 at 6:17 pmBut grossman did not visit Judy in jail….and did not , could not have known ceratin WINPAC contacts, or know Wilson’s Africa history, or know Valerie’s Maiden name- all of that matters into the equation….
October 28th, 2005 at 10:05 pmSo Bolton’s visit to Miller in jail wa purely conjugal in nature?
(shudder)
October 28th, 2005 at 10:15 pmIs it possible that Fitzgerald could still indict others with another Grand Jury?
Lu
October 28th, 2005 at 10:44 pmI am in the camp that thinks Bolton is involved – for the same reasons that #10 (Hack) noted, the timing is right, and the Wurmser connection is there too.
October 29th, 2005 at 12:04 am#32 Pat can still indict others, but since he said the majority of the work is done, if there are others to be indicted, the indictments have probably already issued, but held in secret.
They can use the secret indictment(s) for leverage in the Libby case or in settlement negotiations with “Official A” (cough cough Rove cough), etc.
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November 2nd, 2005 at 1:57 pm“On or about July 10 or July 11, 2003, LIBBY spoke to a senior official in the White House (“Official Aâ€) who advised LIBBY of a conversation Official A had earlier that week with columnist Robert Novak in which Wilson’s wife was discussed as a CIA employee…”
(from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R._Bolton)
November 2nd, 2005 at 2:04 pmAccusations of perjury
On July 28, 2005 it was revealed that a statement made by Bolton on forms submitted to the Senate was false. Bolton indicated that in the prior five years he had not been questioned in any investigation, but in fact he had been interviewed by the State Department Inspector General on July 18, 2003 as part of an investigation into the sources of pre-war claims of weapons of mass destruction evidence in Iraq. After insisting for weeks that Bolton had testified truthfully on the form, the State Department reversed itself stating that Bolton had simply forgotten about the investigation.
I want to see Bush and Cheeney removed from office NOW.
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I was soooo wrong, and such an idiot for supporting a murdering administration.
I want to extend a personal apology to all on this blog.
I want to say those of you that thought I was
mighty aphroditie, Northeast Delima, Turk, Joe Sixpack and Jeff Gannon were
totally correct.
I am only one person, and I have tried to show that there are more than one person that support the
Bush administration.
I am paid by the administration, and i feel totally dirty and guilty.
November 2nd, 2005 at 3:09 pm