Cheney Promotes Individuals Named In Indictment
Cheney Promotes Individuals Named In Indictment
The White House announced today that it is elevating two members of Cheney’s staff who are named in the Scooter Libby indictment. The White House announced:
The Vice President today appointed David S. Addington of Virginia to be the chief of staff to the Vice President. The Vice President also appointed John P. Hannah of the District of Columbia as the Assistant to the Vice President for National Security Affairs.
Both Addington and Hannah are named in the indictment. Hannah was intimately involved in the strategy of leaking Plame’s identity. From the indictment:
13. Shortly after publication of the article in The New Republic, LIBBY spoke by telephone with his then Principal Deputy and discussed the article. That official asked LIBBY whether information about Wilson’s trip could be shared with the press to rebut the allegations that the Vice President had sent Wilson. LIBBY responded that there would be complications at the CIA in disclosing that information publicly, and that he could not discuss the matter on a non-secure telephone line.
Addington provided legal counsel to Libby in helping to divulge Plame’s identity.
18. Also on or about July 8, 2003, LIBBY met with the Counsel to the Vice President in an anteroom outside the Vice President’s Office. During their brief conversation, LIBBY asked the Counsel to the Vice President, in sum and substance, what paperwork there would be at the CIA if an employee’s spouse undertook an overseas trip.
So much for a fresh start.
UPDATE: Contrary to reports in the Washington Post and the New York Times, the “Principal Deputy” referred to in the indictment is not John Hannah. According to The New Republic’s Ryan Lizza, who stuck around after the Fitzgerald press conference to sort out the unidentified names in the indictment, the “Principal Deputy” is in fact Eric Edelman.
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October 31st, 2005 at 1:50 pmThis gives a whole new meaning to the term “usual suspects.”
October 31st, 2005 at 1:55 pmThey are just moving up the Fitz Food Chain. This is not like the Survivor TV show in that promotion doesn’t mean immunity. Just more reason for the conspiracy charges. We all knew DUHbya and Cheney was mean but this is the insult of insults to Fitz and to all us citizens.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:01 pmThis will clearly place a few more “bodies” in the way should more of BlackHeart’s minions be required to walk the plank for Dear Old Dick.
When’s the next gaggle scheduled??
October 31st, 2005 at 2:02 pmthis is probably due to the fact that there are very few administration staffers not under investigation or suspicion (or in the procurement guy’s case, arrest) for Cheney to pick from… that’s what happens when your team is corrupt to the core!
October 31st, 2005 at 2:02 pm“named in the indictment”
McCarthyite guilt by association. So typical of the radical left.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:03 pmCould we just impeach Cheney and get it over with? Where oh where oh where is the democrat offensive? Oh sorry. I must be dreaming.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:09 pmNo. Since Cheney has not engaged in any wrongdoing, he will not be impeached.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:09 pmIs it really any surprise that Cheney would promote these people? This administration is going function “in your face” because they saw how the ABC, NBC, CBS, and others soft-peddled the Libby story. The CBS Evening news even had die-hard Bush supporters on saying how the Libby story didn’t even change their loyalty to Bush. Of all the people in the country, they go and ask three die-hard supporters – unbelievable. And, you can be sure Bob Schieffer, a Bush friend, certainly won’t inquire about the truth or follow leads to the truth. The most basic question to ask to begin with is: “If Cheney knew Libby was lying all this time, why didn’t the Vice President set the record straight and be honest with the American people? Why didn’t Cheney fire Libby from the beginning?” Would Bob Schieffer, who now goes by the slogan, “Experience you can trust” actually back that slogan up, or just be another news reader? I suppose CBS could claim that there is nothing about credibility in their slogan.
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October 31st, 2005 at 2:10 pm[...] Vice President Dick Cheney has named attorney David Addington as his chief of staff and John Hannah as his national security adviser, filling the positions left vacant when the indicted Scooter Libby resigned. Both Addington and Hannah are named in the CIA leak indictment. “First of all, the vice president issues this very terse statement praising Libby for all the great things he’s done. Then we have the president come on camera a few minutes later calling him Scooter and what a great patriot he is. There has not been an apology to the American people for this obvious problem in the White House,” Reid, D-Nev., told ABC’s “This Week.” [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 2:13 pmJust when you think you’ve had enough, Bush and Cheney make it worse with the promotion of Hannah and the Alito.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:14 pm“…the fact that there are very few administration staffers not under investigation or suspicion…”
Really?
Such as…whom?
October 31st, 2005 at 2:14 pmNext, the medals!
October 31st, 2005 at 2:16 pm#6 – There’s plenty of McCarthyism to go around then. Lying, deceit, manipulation, intimidation – all part of the fine Senator’s bag of tricks – are part and parcel of this administration’s tactics. Cheney is the black heart of this whole operation.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:17 pmreally, Cheney needs to go. hey wwallace, why don’t you adopt him? He’s your poster child.
He won’t get impeached. He’ll merely get arrested and imprisoned (that is if dumbya doesn’t pardon him first, yea I know, he’ll pardon him before there is even a trial).
My guess is that certain right wingnuts who post here don’t read the news. I seem to recall that on Fri it was reported that Cheney said he didn’t know who was leaking plames name even though it has since been shown he did indeed know who leaked. Thats a twofer, both perjury & obstruction of justice.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:19 pmSince taking office Cheney has acted above the law, secret meeting, refusal to release requested docuemnts, he thumbs his nose at it all. Someone needs to bring this smug ass back to reality we don’t have royality in this country.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:21 pm“No. Since Cheney has not engaged in any wrongdoing, he will not be impeached.”
You are the enemy, wwallace. You are the deviant. You will be cast out. You and the rest of you treasonous killers.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:22 pmkindness: “it was reported”
Thre’s no evidence of any wrongdoing by Cheney, let alone illegality.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:23 pm“treasonous killers” would be a good name for a punk band.
But calling me names will never change the facts I’ve posted. :()
October 31st, 2005 at 2:25 pmJeebus babbling kee-RIST, I love it when the left becomes so unhinged they resort to blatant deception. “CHENEY PROMOTES TWO NAMED IN INDICTMENT!” LMAO! Yeah, “named” but um, there’s this little part you forgot to include in your bleating headline, TP – THEY WEREN’T CHARGED OR INDICTED WITH ANYTHING. “Named” isn’t even the right word to use – “mentioned” is more like it. Hello? Think that little fact might be worth mentioning? No, didn’t think so.
It’s the same old smell from the left – it’s not whether someone is guilty (or in this case, even charged) that matters – it is the ACCUSATION that matters. Lack of evidence, lack of facts – matters not one whit. From forged National Guard documents to the Downing Street memo hoax, to the missing weapons in Iraq (that weren’t), to the Katrina myths – all the left cares about is accusations. Accuse, accuse, accuse. That’s the mantra. Those are the talking points. And in the end, it will also be the reason why the GOP will keep the White House and the majority in both house and senate in the upcoming elections. People simply don’t buy the left’s bullsh*t. People can read the wholly innacurate headline above and see right through to the agenda. And they do.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:33 pm“I seem to recall that on Fri it was reported that Cheney said he didn’t know who was leaking plames name even though it has since been shown he did indeed know who leaked. Thats a twofer, both perjury & obstruction of justice.”
Well, gee, then – why wasn’t Cheney indicted?
October 31st, 2005 at 2:36 pmYou don’t know the facts anymore than how long you have to live, you puke. Libby gonna take it deep for your boy? Don’t think so. They all come from the same cowardly cloth you do, wallace. They would turn on you, too, you blind man. You servant.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:37 pmAnybody that’s been following this administration since the beginning knows that Cheney is guilty of crimes far worse than perjury and obstruction of justice. The entire GOP leradership is incapable of open and honest government as it would reveal a treasure trove of evidence of their crimes.
wwallace please help me out with answers to the following:
Why did this adminstration try to block the 9/11 investigation?
Why did they refuse to turn over all of the documents that were requested by the 9/11 commission?
Why couldn’t Bush testify under oath in fornt of that commission?
Why did he need Cheney to hold his hand when he did testify?
Why did our military allow the entire city of Baghdad to be looted with the lone exception of the oil ministry?
Why aren’t the notes and documentation from the Cheney-led Energy Task Force meetings public? Isn’t this an open government?
We know as a fact that the so-called neocons setup shadow groups within the upper echelons of government to discredit and circumvent dissenting opinions regarding the facts about Iraq’s imminent threat in the runup to war. The Office of Special Plans and the White House Iraq Group’s sole purpose was to ensure that we went to war on Iraq. How is this not an obvious attempt to implement a preemptive (and illegal) attack on Iraq based on PNAC ideology?
They are all war criminals, plain and simple. Now wake up or get out.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:37 pmSpeculum Sniff,
The only tool they have left is to keep doing more of the same. Don’t you find it ugly and hard to watch? Are they going to remember you when they beg for their lives?
October 31st, 2005 at 2:39 pmWell, at least the Administration is consistant…
October 31st, 2005 at 2:41 pmJay, they are not war criminals. They are not criminals. Removing your friend Saddam from power was a good and noble thing. Calling people names won’t change the facts.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:46 pm#8
“No. Since Cheney has not engaged in any wrongdoing, he will not be impeached.”
Wow, are you some type of psychic? Can you post a link to anywhere that Cheney is not being investigated? If you can’t, STFU.
Here is something that is being investigated by Congress right this minute that invloves Cheney: No Bid Contracts to Haliburton and KBR.
You are a dumb shit.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:47 pm#26
“Removing your friend Saddam from power was a good and noble thing.”
And this had what to do with 9/11? Nothing. You are a tool.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:48 pmCheney will have his day in court. I hope he is impeach and Bushie too.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:49 pmWhen did I say Liberating Iraq had something to do with 9/11, Spudge? You’re hallucinating.
The war on terror is not all about 9/11.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:52 pmCheney has not been found guilty of any wrongdoing, but you can bet Fitz is sitting on some sad facts about the Veep…
October 31st, 2005 at 2:53 pm“Your friend Saddam”? Don’t you mean Rumsfeld’s friend? George Herbert Walker’s friend? The CIA’s friend? What do us lefty’s have to do with that?
October 31st, 2005 at 2:53 pmAt least as little as Saddam had to do with 9/11 (an internal job of we ever saw one).
Spudge, Halliburton was given no-bid contracts in the 1990s. Are you saying Clinton is a Cheney crony? :()
October 31st, 2005 at 2:53 pmMcCarthyite guilt by association. So typical of the radical left.
Comment by wwallace — October 31, 2005 @ 2:03 pm
Are you delusional, or just ignorant of history?
McCarthy was on your side, and trying to paint others as “McCarthyite” – when it’s YOU that endorses these tactics by aligning yourself with McCarthys’ “party”, displays a willful intellectual depravity of truly republican proportions.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:54 pmThis investigation is gonna give Dick ‘dragon’ Cheney ‘the big one’.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:55 pmEvery time he has a dizzy spell, he feels his Uncle Satan biting him on the ass.
I for one, can’t wait to celebrate this criminal’s decent into the bowels of hell.
An indicted person and a person named in an indictment is exponentially more guilty than non. Yeah, that sucks. It’s not even fair!
October 31st, 2005 at 2:59 pmAnd that’s not even getting to the core of the matter: The war is illegal!
Vigilantes go to prison! The jokes on you you f*cking morons. You propagandists! You deserve punishment! You will get it!
History will judge Cheney and Co.(we don’t even bother to mention Bush anymore, do we?)-
October 31st, 2005 at 3:02 pmThey made the world a safer place? No. They were little more than common criminals and liars.
#30 The War on Terror is pretty much not at ALL about 9/11. It was dreamed up in ‘92, then pitched again in ‘98. Finally, in 2000, Bill Kristol and Scooter Libby took over the White House…and the GWOT became a foregone consclusion. 9/11 just gave it a kick-start.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:02 pmWow, wwallace, I had no idea the Kool Aid was so strong over there! Or is it just that you people really don’t read the news… just like your Spoiled-Brat-in-Chief. BTW, you haven’t posted any “facts” at all, just empty-headed, robotic rejections of the facts.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:02 pmwwallace, if you have the courage to read the truth, check out this column from someone that knows crime, the law and conspiracy. She lays out the case with the meticulous detail of a prosecutor:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051114/delavega
Elizabeth de la Vega is a former federal prosecutor with more than twenty years’ experience. During her tenure she was a member of the Organized Crime Strike Force and chief of the San José branch of the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Northern District of California.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:03 pmI don’t remember that “removing Saddam from power” was one of the reasons–we were told–why we went to Iraq. I can think of several other reasons we were told, however, and later proven false. This entire CIA-leak probe is tied to those “errors”, and what this administration does to people when they cross them. It’s sick and I am ashamed.
Yes, wwallace, we have “elected” a government that is, sadly, corrupt. You may choose to believe we went to Iraq for utterly magnanimous purposes–noble, loving, caring, compassionate reasons. But, I ask you, do the facts support that? Or, as a suggestion, are the new reasons simply convenient answers to very tough questions deception can not penetrate. All combined with spin to make you feel better.
And Don’t we all feel better knowing we disposed of a dictator named Saddam? Such an evil man. Such a bad man. And we got rid of him. The torturer. Yea for us! Yippie! Hallelujah. We can all feel so very confident of this when Bush vetoes the Iraq war spending bill because of the torture-abolishment provision. Yea for us!
-Bollywog
October 31st, 2005 at 3:08 pmAll I can say is: GET OVER IT!
October 31st, 2005 at 3:10 pmLibby and Rove are NOT the keys to making moves in the house and senate in ‘06. We just end up looking like Newt did in the 90s, pathetically harping on some minor issues. ALITO is the bigger problem for us. 11 months from now very few voters in red states will remember Libby or Miers or the horrid Oct Bush had…
Can someone with some electable ideas step forward pls. or we will be run by the GOP for then next 50 years. Ideas win elections, not just bitching and moaning and pointing fingers.
“named in the indictmentâ€
McCarthyite guilt by association. So typical of the radical left.
Comment by wwallace — October 31, 2005 @ 2:03 pm
Boggles me. I mean, not implying that both are involved directly in the leak case, but… wouldn’t it make more sense to nominate individuals not involved in the leak AT ALL?
October 31st, 2005 at 3:12 pm#30
“The war on terror is not all about 9/11.”
Actually it is you friggin’ idiot.
#33
“Are you saying Clinton is a Cheney crony?”
Pretty much all those fvcking scumbags in Washington are corrupt.
#38
“The War on Terror is pretty much not at ALL about 9/11.”
The American public did not agree to a generational war on any labeled Terroism. We signed on for “Go kill Osama Bin Laden.” Just because Bush and friends decided to completely fvck this country doesn’t mean we have to sit back and take it.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:12 pmC’mon you pukes. Doing research for your next arguement? Gonna tell me the world is a safer place? We’re fighting them there instead of here? I WANT to fight them here. I want to fight YOU here. No, you’re going to keep feeding the sheep to the meat grinder in Iraq and deprive me my right to defend myself? On my own turf? You gonna keep me scared so you can go kill some more to please your pathetic, power hungry treasonous murderous base you piece of S*IT?
October 31st, 2005 at 3:13 pmBring it on.
You’re right, DSX. But not today.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:14 pmSceptimus: “Accuse, accuse, accuse. That’s the mantra. Those are the talking points.”
Funny, I seem to recall numerous instances in past memory where right-wing pundits began every refutation of corruption charges with: “But Clinton…” “But the Democrats…”
And what happened to the “rule of law” chant you a-holes repeated ad nauseum during the Monicagate years? I don’t remember 2,000 U.S. soldiers dying as a result of that little splooge (so to speak).
October 31st, 2005 at 3:17 pmI am truly awestruck at the lack of morals and character of the current administration. Pity there is no longer a nazi party for them to pledge allegience to, from lying to go to war to saying one thing but doing another. I recall bush claiming he was going to be a uniter, was going to downsize the federal government, wouldn’t get involved in nation building etc. So what happened? History will reflect this administration in a very poor light, and rightfully so.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:20 pm“Boggles me. I mean, not implying that both are involved directly in the leak case, but… wouldn’t it make more sense to nominate individuals not involved in the leak AT ALL?”
In other words, demonize individuals who had NOTHING to do with the leak, have not been charged, indicted, or even ACCUSED of anything by anyone other than Bush critics? Why? Why should Hannah or Addington’s career opportunites be limited when they have done NOTHING wrong? To appease Bush haters who will continue to hate him no matter what he does? Get real. You got your Martha Stewart indictment on Scooter (Who?) Libby. Don’t get greedy.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:22 pmSpeaking of the Downing Street Memo – this was supposed to be smoking gun that would lead to the downfall of the Bush administration. Could it have been a hoax?
October 31st, 2005 at 3:23 pm“Wow, are you some type of psychic? Can you post a link to anywhere that Cheney is not being investigated? If you can’t, STFU.”
Yet another logical fallacy from stuck on stupid liberals who don’t know you can’t prove a negative. Hey, Splooge-boy, can you post a link anywhere that says catagorically you don’t anally rape goats? If you can’t, STFU.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:24 pm#49
“You got your Martha Stewart indictment on Scooter (Who?) Libby.”
I love this line. First of all Clinton was impeach on perjury and you fvcking neocons loved that. Now when one of your goose stepping leaders is charged it’s “a Martha Stewart” indictment. Then, you put “Who?” in there like Scooter isn’t anybody important. You don’t even know who is important in your own party. That is funny sh!t.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:25 pmNoone whose name is in an indictment can be an effective government official. Shame on you, Speculum Sniff. Go to hell.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:25 pmDoes this remind anyone of the way we’re always capturing/killing the #2 guy Al-Qaeda guy in Iraq?
October 31st, 2005 at 3:25 pm#50
“Speaking of the Downing Street Memo – this was supposed to be smoking gun that would lead to the downfall of the Bush administration. Could it have been a hoax?”
Could it be that the “liberal” media is in the back pocket of the Bush administration and therefore doesn’t cover anything important?
October 31st, 2005 at 3:26 pmF*CK YOU Randy. That memo hasn’t seen the the light. It will. It can’t even get an official hearing. You pigs will regret not cleaning your house you f*cking moron.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:27 pmaverage -
It is idiotic to think that because someone is named in an indictment that they can’t be effective. There was no conspiracy charge leveled against these men – there was no concrete conspiracy by these 2 men to deliberately leak Ms. Plame’s name.
I dont like Bush / Cheney as much as I used to (the misleading intel we had before the war, the non post-war plans, the strategy, torture, etc.) — but they are able to promote anyone, even if their name appears in an indictment.
As someone from another post said — they aint gonna gain any friends filling those positions with liberals…
October 31st, 2005 at 3:30 pmRandy,
October 31st, 2005 at 3:31 pmLet’s learn something about the press. I’ll go slow: They don’t mention “Impeachment” and they don’t mention memos that could turn the world upside down unless a senator mentions it first.
Take your petty remarks back to high school debate class. Better yet, stick to debate topics like the death penalty.
troll troll troll your boat……sinking in the sea…
October 31st, 2005 at 3:31 pmwow…such hate, are you trolling for limp dick and o’liely’s jobs???
#55
You seem a bit testy today. Maybe you should switch to decaf. Did you ever consider the reason why it can’t get an official hearing is that it is a bogus document? Your hatred for Bush will come back to haunt you.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:33 pmI’m gonna guess someone NOT named in an indictment would have been better. Jeesh. Bet there aren’t any of those willing to take that job. Wake up, pay attention.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:33 pm“[. . .] but they are able to promote anyone, even if their name appears in an indictment.
As someone from another post said — they aint gonna gain any friends filling those positions with liberals…
Comment by to the right of you
So if someone is indicted they aren’t considered a security risk?
October 31st, 2005 at 3:33 pm“In other words, demonize individuals who had NOTHING to do with the leak, have not been charged, indicted, or even ACCUSED of anything by anyone other than Bush critics? Why? Why should Hannah or Addington’s career opportunites be limited when they have done NOTHING wrong?”
Yeah! What’s the use of being a croney if you aren’t rewarded with personal power? Don’t tell me you actually think Cheney would promote someone who would serve the public interest. That’s as quaint as the Geneva conventions!
October 31st, 2005 at 3:34 pm“Speaking of the Downing Street Memo – this was supposed to be smoking gun that would lead to the downfall of the Bush administration. Could it have been a hoax?”
Randy, the entire Downing Street Memo hoax was yet another attempt by the left and their co-conspirators in the mainstream media to create a scandal where there was none. The bleating liberals latched on to what was a British intelligence agent’s opinion…repeat, OPINION, and stupidly thought it would be enough to bring down the president. Morons.
Forged Killian memo hoax, Downing Street Memo hoax, Bush AWOL hoax, Bush blew up the levees hoax…oh, and don’t forget that a few weeks ago the leftwing blogosphere was all a-twitter about “22 imminent indictments!” Remember that one? Another hoax. These people will believe ANYTHING. I mean, it’s almost painful to watch fellow Americans, even if they are afflicted with Bush Derangement Syndrome, to be SO gullible and act SO childish and idiotic – and to do it non-stop, every day.
It is true, I guess – when liberals are out of power, they become even more unhinged than is typical.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:35 pmdano
what are you talking about?
to answer your question, yes they would be a security risk.
now, what does this have to do with the 2 individuals we are talking about? they were not indicted.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:36 pmYou apparently don’t watch much tv – Average. They pretty much had most of Bush’s team indicted before Friday. Believe me, if there were any truth to that memo, it would have been the headline story in every paper and the leadoff in every broadcast. I think the one thing Fitzgerald’s investigation clearly showed was which side the media is on and its not on Bush’s.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:37 pmThat’s right, Speculum. More hasty generalizations. That won’t get you far. But I’ll bet you know that already.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:38 pm“Your hatred for Bush will come back to haunt you.”
Comment by Randy — October 31, 2005 @ 3:33 pm
Nice Holloween tie-in, Randy.
I’m sorry, but every time I see comments like yours I can’t help substituting “tumor” for “Bush” – so to me your comment reads:”Your hatred for tumors will come back to haunt you.”
I don’t think so.
Why do you love cancer so much?
October 31st, 2005 at 3:39 pmThe memo is real, subjective, damaging, and historically significant. It only exists because of an illegal war waged by a monopoly of power. Don’t you forget it.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:41 pm“they were not indicted.”
Comment by to the right of you — October 31, 2005 @ 3:36 pm
Yet.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:41 pmNOBODY in the mainstream media is telling the truth. They’re all carrying out the corporate GOP spin and I can’t think of ANY exceptions (ok maybe Olberman and Jon Stewart). Half the country would support impeachment if in fact the Bush administration told lies in the runup to war. Not only did they tell lies, they created an entirely new reality, and admitted they were doing it!
You Bush supporters are badly deluded and will regret your complicity in the crimes that have been committed against Iraq, our troops, the U.S. citizenry, Congress and the rest of the world.
I can’t wait for the other shoe to drop. It’s coming fellas, just be patient.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:42 pm“That’s right, Speculum. More hasty generalizations. That won’t get you far. But I’ll bet you know that already.”
My hasty generalizations? Or yours? I know yours won’t carry anyone far – we saw that in the last two presidential elections.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:43 pmJay,
October 31st, 2005 at 3:44 pmThese ass clown are not “Bush supporters”. They are WH staff. Tell ‘em what you think. It’s faster than writing your congress.
dano -
exactly…but your question read:
“So if someone is indicted they aren’t considered a security risk?”
indictED (as in past tense / possibly present)…
The 2 individuals have not been indicted, so no, they are not a security risk.
lol — play on words…figures.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:44 pmIn case you don’t believe that they’re making up their own reality. From Ron Suskind, former WSJ reporter in an interview with one of those senior administration officials:
“In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn’t like about Bush’s former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House’s displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn’t fully comprehend – but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.
“The aide said that guys like me were ‘in what we call the reality-based community,’ which he defined as people who ‘believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.’ I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ‘That’s not the way the world really works anymore,’ he continued. ‘We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.’”
October 31st, 2005 at 3:46 pmLook around you trolls…and tell us…you REALLY like where we are? What was it GW was going to restore to the White House? Do you honestly believe that the agenda of a few of the fringe should be driving this Ship of State? Is Iraq truly accomplishing what you feel it should be accomplishing? Do you truly belive that America should go it alone in the world just because “we can”? Are you happy that jobs are heading overseas faster than the climate is going haywire? Are you really happy that the gap between the haves and the havenots borders on the ludicris? All this while the Republicans have their hands firmly on all three branches of government? Look around you, fer crissakes! What kind of ivory tower do you live in that you can be so blind to the inequities in our society? Remember that what goes around, comes around…and if you insist on giving the executive so much concentrated power now, when inevitably you leave power, watch your back!
October 31st, 2005 at 3:47 pmaverage -
dont try to paint people into a box, saying ‘they are white house staffers’.
are you unaware that 50% of this country is right, and 50% of this country is left?? or somewhat close to that. that is correct, about 200 million people may agree with you or disagree with you…imagine that.
keep it to facts and logic…it helps.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:49 pmThere was no conspiracy charge leveled against these men – there was no concrete conspiracy by these 2 men to deliberately leak Ms. Plame’s name.
Comment by to the right of you — October 31, 2005 @ 3:30 pm
That’s true, and the headline above implying that these guys were somehow indicted along with Scooter (Who? Oh yeah, the #1 guy for Cheney, who basically runs all WH Foriegn Policy actions & probably the country) Libby.
However, just ’cause you don’t have indictments on these boys doesn’t mean they don’t have the stink on them. and, according to the text of the indictment, they sho-nuff have the stink. As far as I’m concerned, let them have all the rope they want to hang themselves. By definition of the indictment (pending conviction, of course, but they have Scooter -Who? Cheney’s Right Nut- Libby dead to rights), this White House is already shown to be factually corrupt in the eyes of the public.
You Righties are collapsing under the weight of your own sh!t, and you’re hoping that Alito is the umbrella that’ll keep you clean. Funny stuff….
October 31st, 2005 at 3:49 pmRepublicans cannot win with truth.
Republicans cannot win with truth.
Republicans cannot win with truth.
It’s that simple.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:49 pm“In other words, demonize individuals who had NOTHING to do with the leak, have not been charged, indicted, or even ACCUSED of anything by anyone other than Bush critics? Why? Why should Hannah or Addington’s career opportunites be limited when they have done NOTHING wrong? To appease Bush haters who will continue to hate him no matter what he does? Get real. You got your Martha Stewart indictment on Scooter (Who?) Libby. Don’t get greedy.”
Okay, just to be clear about something. I’m not a liberal, I don’t even live in USA. I really don’t care if Libs or Cons are in power, that doesn’t change anything for me (well actually, the economy of my country has been favored with the ongoing devaluation of the dollar since Bush took office, but that’s not the point).
Make no mistake here, I’m just a person who finds interesting the current events regarding the Bush administration and american democracy as a whole. I like to discuss it even though those are not my problems. When I made that comment about those nominations, I did it not as a liberal or a Bush hater, but as someone who finds this move odd in the face of an indictment AND a serious problem of goverment credibility.
I do not agree with everything that’s posted at TP, but I enjoy reading it nonetheless. I think this kind of on the fly commentation is very helpful to the concept of democracy, and it’s something that I just WISH would be possible were I live.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:55 pmDid I say they had been indicted? Just asking a hypothetical. Here’s another; if they are indicted will you support their removal? And if indicted, will you hold Dick Cheney (and George Bush) responsible for appointing someone (criminally) involved in the case for clearly politically motivated reasons?
October 31st, 2005 at 3:56 pmFear was the only thing apparent in the elections. People aren’t scared anymore. They f*cking mad.
I liked your post about the aide, Jay. I think what the aide was describing was not so much the “reality” theme, but the characteristics desired in someone who will have access to officials. Just my take(ie. Miller).
October 31st, 2005 at 3:56 pmThey are true to form aren’t they? The more corrupt you are the more likely you are to be promoted. The same policy also works for ineptitude.
October 31st, 2005 at 4:00 pm“average -
dont try to paint people into a box, saying ‘they are white house staffers’.”
Comment by to the right of you
And what ever you do don’t paint Libby as “a senior White House Aide”; “former hill staffer” sounds so much more innocuous, eh?
October 31st, 2005 at 4:01 pm“Jay, they are not war criminals. They are not criminals. Removing your friend Saddam from power was a good and noble thing. Calling people names won’t change the facts.
Comment by wwallace — October 31, 2005 @ 2:46 pm”
Calling names is one thing, but stating facts is another. Why was it a good and noble thing to remove Saddam from power? At least 30,000 Iraqis have died, over 2,000 Americans have died, 15,000 or so Americans have been wounded, there is daily violence…
October 31st, 2005 at 4:02 pmATVV,
I think its about arrogance and power and how this administration uses propaganda, the media, its rightwing smear machine and the naievete of the dumbed down, Zolofted up, indifferent, short-attention-spanned American public to do its bidding.
People that still stand behind this president can only be:
extremely wealthy/greedy
willfully ignorant/dumb as a rock
evil
I don’t see any other options for these knuckledraggers and I pity their family and friends.
October 31st, 2005 at 4:03 pmdano
yes, if indicted, i will support their removal…
In regards to holding Cheney and Bush responsible, of course, I hold them responsible for what has gone wrong and right, including Iraq.
October 31st, 2005 at 4:05 pmThis administration has no choice except to shuffle the criminals around. They have ran out of educated cronies.
The last educated crony was nominated to the supreme court this morning.
Hopefully Fitz will get to Addington and Hannah.
October 31st, 2005 at 4:19 pm#79. Your a Canadian!:)Welcome, Im sure you will have lots to contribute since you guys up north are affected by the disasterous Bush trade policy. You guys may be a different country, but we definitely share alot, Bush is just as much your president just as much is paul martin is our prime minister, lol. Cheers.
October 31st, 2005 at 4:23 pm#63
“The bleating liberals latched on to what was a British intelligence agent’s opinion…repeat, OPINION, and stupidly thought it would be enough to bring down the president. Morons.”
That is funny coming from the side that keeps harping about British intellegence about Iraq wanting yellow cake uranium from Niger. You can’t have it both ways fvck head.
October 31st, 2005 at 4:31 pm#63
“oh, and don’t forget that a few weeks ago the leftwing blogosphere was all a-twitter about “22 imminent indictments!—
We didn’t say anything about 22 indictments. If you had a brain to comprehend anything you would have read that we said “22 people are being investigated.”
This ain’t over and the fat lady has not sung.
October 31st, 2005 at 4:34 pmwwallace,
#26, as per the 1977 Geneva Protocols; anti-personnel weapons such as napalm, phosphorus, or other incendiary bombs are illegal.
Go back and watch Fahrenheit 9/11 (I assume you hate this movie, but it contains information), a charged up soldier describes the use of “napalm” against Iraqi’s, and it also provides motion pictures of some of its victims. This is a world wide distributed movie, and they state the use of these weapons as facts, “they” being the soldiers on the ground involved in the fight.
They (the Administration, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Rice etc.) are all war criminals, this is a fact.
And this is only one example, if you would like, I’ll provide you with more. Just let me know.
“States are not moral agents” – Chomsky
October 31st, 2005 at 4:34 pm#76
“are you unaware that 50% of this country is right, and 50% of this country is left??”
That number is actually 62% left and 38% right. Stick to the facts.
October 31st, 2005 at 4:39 pmspudge -
#89.
british agent opinion, and british report – MUCH DIFFERENT…but i dont expect you to see it.
#92
it would help you if included my next sentence…”or somewhat close to that”
AS IN – that was my GUESSTIMATE – i was not trying to point fact in people political affiliation.
so go ahead, cut and paste sentences and try to make yourself feel better…and oh yeah, dont cut and paste sentences that would make your post seem, er, whats the word…WORTHLESS. :D
October 31st, 2005 at 4:58 pmSpudge-Boy, by the time we get rid of this bunch the tally will be 94% against the Republicans and 6% extreme right wing nut job’s for them. Just hope we have something left of our country to save. The way it’s going we will all have to ask the Hallaburtons if we can breath or drink water…Blessings
October 31st, 2005 at 5:07 pm#94
Okay, here. Let’s try it again.
“are you unaware that 50% of this country is right, and 50% of this country is left?? or somewhat close to thatâ€
Sorry, I don’t feel that “or somewhat close to that covers it.
Because:
50% & 50%
is very far away from:
62% & 38%
That is not somewhat close, but if you think so then I feel sorry for you.
October 31st, 2005 at 5:11 pmRight On Spudge: Re:
“That number is actually 62% left and 38% right”
Now, what is the ratio of the troops in Iraq doing the deed for this administration while this administration treats their democratic families like the scum of the earth?
If democrats are not considered citizens, then their soldiers aren’t citizens and should abort this Iraq lie immediately!!! How many republican soldiers would be left?
October 31st, 2005 at 5:14 pm#94
“british agent opinion, and british report – MUCH DIFFERENT…but i dont expect you to see it.”
Nope, no difference. When I say something about my company in my role as a PR person, I speak for the company. That is individual vs company and they are the same. The same things goes for British intellegence officer and britsih intellengence agency. Same freaking thing. Almost sounds liek you are arguning the meaning of “is”
October 31st, 2005 at 5:14 pm#97
“How many republican soldiers would be left?”
The answer is NONE, ZERO, ZILTCH. These bastards start wars for us to fight. They are all abunch of sissy chicken hawks that won’t serve, because they have zits on their asses.
October 31st, 2005 at 5:16 pmspudge -
you are laughable…gotta little room to change your words around…
and you talk about trolls – lol, you cant help but post, no matter how much we agree / disagree.
my point is that half of people are gonna agree with you and half arent…I am not talking about no one issue, nor one politician or party…
if you want to read anymore into that, go ahead, and have fun.
i need enjoyment before i leave work.
October 31st, 2005 at 5:17 pmspudge -
““british agent opinion, and british report – MUCH DIFFERENT…but i dont expect you to see it.â€
Nope, no difference.”
I rest my case. Are you telling me that a memo, written from someones perception of meetings is the same as an intelligence agency working to determine facts? LMAO, ahhh thats a great one spudge.
nuf said.
October 31st, 2005 at 5:21 pmto the right of you
We normally agree. But, 68% & 38% are not the same as 50% & 50%. I didn’t change anything but add the “or somewhat cloe to that” as you requested. It doesn’t change what I said.
I don’t believe that half of the people will agree and half won’t. As a matter of fact I can’t find anybody at work, at my daughters school, at the super market, in public events or anywhere else that people gather that will agree that Bush is doing a heckuva job.
Where are these poles taken?
I travel for a living and can’t find anybody that would even make up the 38%.
That is my point and until somebody tells me where these 38% people live, I won’t believe it.
And 38% of the population doesn’t live in Texas.
October 31st, 2005 at 5:25 pm#101
“I rest my case. Are you telling me that a memo, written from someones perception of meetings is the same as an intelligence agency working to determine facts? LMAO, ahhh thats a great one spudge.
nuf said.”
Well, we need to start with the fact that these are not the Downing Street Memos. They are the DOWNING STREET MINUTES. Do you know what “minutes” are? It is something that is taken during a meeting.
These documents are the minutes of a meeting between high ranking British and American officials. Moron.
October 31st, 2005 at 5:28 pmWow, you seditious kooks really have your tinfoil hats on tight today! :()
October 31st, 2005 at 5:36 pm#104
“Just because your paranoid doesn’t mean they are not after you.”
October 31st, 2005 at 5:44 pmlooks like wally/ned/nor east dimentia/aphrodykie is putting that word of the day toilet paper to good use.
Anyway, if you want to get ahead in this administration, your resume should read much the same as a rap-sheet.
The bigger the crook the larger the promotion: KKKarl, Adding-ilovetorture-ton, I-forindictment Libby, Scarriet Miers, John-unhookmybra Roberts, Alberto-healthhazard Gonzonles, Dumbsfailed, and now Altio-softonmob.
Didn’t KKKarl get a raise after Plame was outted?
October 31st, 2005 at 5:49 pmspudge -
ok, read the ‘minutes’ and show me what facts support this man’s findings…
actually, dont – feel happy that you are smart…and know how to parse words. ill leave you at that for a day. FEEL GOOD.
and whats with the namecalling? oh, i know…i’ve always been taught, when you cant beat em, call em names. later
October 31st, 2005 at 5:56 pm#104
Oh yeah, tinfoil hats only stop the radio frequencies transmitted from the mother ship. Tinfoil hats do not stop the bullsh!t transmitted by the White House.
October 31st, 2005 at 5:57 pm#107
“and whats with the namecalling? oh, i know…i’ve always been taught, when you cant beat em, call em names. later”
When I was in the military they taught me to make sure the enemy was dead. You know kick them when their down. I was not raised by tree hugging liberals. I was raised by ass kcikin’ republicans. So, you can blame it on them.
October 31st, 2005 at 5:59 pmspudge -
i pressed ‘enter’ too fast.
the fact of the matter, after parsing words, remains – the minutes are an official and his recount of meetings…a report is something that is researched / investigated, etc…
i guess we can agree to disagree. im off work. later — look forward to INTELLIGENT posting, and no namecalling, which is done here often.
October 31st, 2005 at 5:59 pm#110
The minutes are not a recount of meetings. minutes are taken during a meeting. I almost said moron. Have you ever been in a corporate meeting? I go to them all the time and there is always a secretary who is assigned the job of taking the minutes. That means that she writes down everything that is said. Of course they are not as thurough as having a stenographer there, but they are pretty damn close.
Read the minutes, they read just like a corporate meeting, not like somebody going “I rmemeber this and I remember that.”
October 31st, 2005 at 6:08 pmCheney gives the finger to America again. The audacity of his actions. He believes himself to be beyond reproach. The arrogance of this administration is astounding.
October 31st, 2005 at 6:41 pmOn the other hand, they will all be in one convenient place when it comes time to serve the papers! Efficient!
October 31st, 2005 at 7:11 pmFitzgerald’s name is in the indictment too. Do you moonbats want him to be fired? :()
October 31st, 2005 at 7:12 pmRichard Cheney is one of the most dastardly black hearted examples of puke that ever set foot in any Government of, by, and for, the people. He is a self loathing s.o.b. who is so black that even his own heart has tried to do him in. One has to wonder how such bastrds come into the world. I suspect his old man or somebody beat the living daylights out of him and then others got hold of his spirit and tore it to shreds. Point being the man is gutless, soul less and clue less. To have such a rot of humanity on this planet like him and his extreme Rightists cohorts is like allowing Rats to invade your bed at night. But America wanted Bush and these ruthless thugs. So, I say..go ahead and let them tear this country apart. Let em destroy it. The 40 percent of Americans that approve of these blackhearts have every right to destroy themselves in the process. It cannot come soon enough for me.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:26 pmWhen will Americans, the truly patriotic, stop watching msm, stop buying msm advertised products, and stop voting for msm politicians?
When does the revolution begin?
This isn’t going to stop you know. The lies, the stealing, the killing, it will go on and on and on…
If you have any smarts you’ll get your children somewhere safe, safe from the murdering thieves who want to send their bodies off to war for profit
How bad will it have to get before Americans say enough?
October 31st, 2005 at 7:47 pm#114… What? His name is in the indictment because he is running the show. Of course his name is in there. It’s not in there in the context of him being in trouble. Please tell me you knew that and you just felt like posting something stupid.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:51 pmWhy do you freakin bother responding to wwallace who is a moron member of the ruling killer elite
I repeat my question
When will Americans, and that includes all of you, say enough, WHAT WILL IT TAKE?
HOW LONG WILL YOU PUT UP WITH THIS BS?
October 31st, 2005 at 7:53 pmHow many of our children have to die in Iraq before Americans say enough. I demonstrated for years during the Vietnam war – and from 1968 to 1972, thousands more young soldiers died, for nothing. FOR NOTHING.
And now they’re dying in Iraq, your children, FOR NOTHING. And what will you do about it. NOTHING.
You are as bad as the msm and the traitorous politicians selling out our children. You sit by, night after night, arguing with wwallace because it makes you feel tough, and strong.
You’re sickening. And I bet most of you will vote for Hilary in 2008. You make me sick.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:57 pmRemember how care Bush and Cheney were to NOT speak under oath about this and other items in the same line? It is only purjury when under oath right? Obstruction of Justice? Yes but really are you serious? I mean; comon now, how can you possibly use the words Justice and Cheney or Bush in the same sentence?!
October 31st, 2005 at 8:14 pmJoedirt
You ask how I can use Justice and Cheney or Bush in the same sentence
I’ll tell you how
They protect and defend the homeland from evil
They safeguard our children by equipping them and sending them to war to serve their homeland
Our fearless leaders love us, and they show that love by exhalting us to greater and higher heights of achievement in business
Every day I try to make more and more money
Without Bush and Cheney I would be nothing and would not have my huge home, oversized furniture, and gargantuan SUV with DVD and TIVO
That’s how
October 31st, 2005 at 8:28 pmJoe Dirt’s got all the talking points, catch-phrases and buzz-words right, or should I say “reich”. Now, let’s get back to the real world.
Cheney is beyond truth-telling. Cheney is a compulsive liar. It’s his profession. Just like C+Agustus Bush.
Why do you folks even ask the question? Do you really expect them to tell the truth?
scenario: My fellow Americans, VP Cheney and I have decided that the time has come to level with the American People about the last 5 years…..
Now really…. isn’t THAT actually what you’re asking for? Well, there! You’ve got it. I just said it for them. But it’s all you’re ever gonna hear from the likes of this administration.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:43 pmTomZ
You are so, how should I say, abrupt!
October 31st, 2005 at 8:48 pmHOw like you progressives to expect honesty.
Where would we be if people were honest. We’d be living in sh’t, and eating dirt, and singing kumbaya.
Isn’t it worth a few lives to have the luxuries that we have in this US of A.
scotus #119,
You’re in here with us, bitching and moaning from your keyboard. With all due respect, I jojned the last peace protest, I write me representatives, I pushed hard on eveyone I know to get out and vote these slimeballs out of office. I’d like to take these bastards by the scruff of the neck and remove them myself but it can’t be done. They’ve got control of the message, control of who counts the votes and control of all three bracnhes of government. What, pray tell, would you recommend that won’t get me thrown into a rat-infested cell in Guantanomo Bay? I’ve got a wife and two kids to support.
I’m open to any bright ideas you might be willing to grace this page with.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:19 pmJay
October 31st, 2005 at 9:35 pmNever mind. It’s useless to fight them. LEt’s just keep talking here and maybe it will all go away.
I’m not asking you whether or not we should fight them, I’m asking you HOW you propose we do it?
October 31st, 2005 at 9:59 pmIn fact, if I was a single man, I’m quite sure I’d have been arrested already. I am not one to avoid a fight. I just don’t know how else do engage in this one.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:01 pmMagnum, the names of Addington and Hannah are not in ther in the context of them being in trouble either. They are not accused of any wrongdoing in the indictment. Why are you trying to change the criteria laid out by the Soros Propaganda-Pimps of ThinkProgress? :()
October 31st, 2005 at 10:05 pmI see #128 – chickenhawk coward can’t seem to pull his head out long enough to spout anything but reich-wing lies and talking points
Hey chichenhawk, how do you feel about blacks voting?
I thought so.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:18 pmAnyway, if you want to get ahead in this administration, your resume should read much the same as a rap-sheet.
The bigger the crook the larger the promotion: KKKarl, Adding-ilovetorture-ton, I-forindictment Libby, Scarriet Miers, John-unhookmybra Roberts, Alberto-healthhazard Gonzonles, Dumbsfailed, and now Altio-softonmob.
Didn’t KKKarl get a raise after Plame was outted?
October 31st, 2005 at 11:18 pmdumbya lies so much he has to have someone else call his dog.
crash-cart cheeney won’t make it through this scandal. Ye Ole oil pump for a heart will break.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:23 pm#117
“Please tell me you knew that and you just felt like posting something stupid.”
wwallace always feels like posting something stupid.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:58 pmSpudge,
wwallace posts EXACTLY like MizzWrong – clearly she has changed her handle to protect her destroyed image.
November 1st, 2005 at 12:06 amHey Ryan,
Yes, it is one of them. They keep chcnging their name to make it seem like there is more of them. It could be Alexa, haven’t seen her in a while. Lyle, he’s always good for a laugh. I-RIGHT-I, NeD, Might Aphrodite. They come and go, while we are always here to kick the crap outta their lies.
I mean really, these guys have gotta get paid to post some of the stupid shit that they do. You couldn’t pay me enough to make myself look as stupid as they do.
Hey NeoCons, how much does it pay to sell out?
November 1st, 2005 at 12:16 amAmerica will be Ruined by these Chicken Littles whom support
The fourth Reich of the Rich.
Hey Reich Wingers. 90% of Journalists consider themselves Centrists. Thats not ‘Liberal’ media.
The so-called ‘Liberal’ Media are owned by large Conservative corporations that dictate control over biased news reporting in major newspapers and on major television networks. The media are conservative just like their owners and sponsors. You’re getting the “News” the way that they want you to see it. Well Duhh.
Thats the myth your buying into.
You want to know why they are attacking a Mythical Entity?
Here;
“Of course the people don’t want war. But after all, it’s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.”
– Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
Sound Familiar? It should, its your Neo-Con Commie Nazis all over again.
November 1st, 2005 at 1:43 amA promotion in Cheneys office is like a death sentence.
I think it’s funny that these idiots are willing to go to jail for Cheney.
Shows how stupid these people are, they watch ol Scooter take the fall and they are more than willing to do the same.
These neocons crack me up. They must love it when they can call Bubba their wife.
November 1st, 2005 at 1:54 amWho needs Hoaxes when you have Colin Powell Hoaxing the People? Colin Powell Works much better =)
Powell also claimed to the United Nations that the photo that showed “Decontamination Vehicles”. But when United Nations inspectors visited the site after the invasion, they located the vehicles and discovered they were just firefighting equipment.
Powell claimed the Iraqis had illegal rockets and launchers hidden in the palm trees of Western Iraq. None were ever found.
Powell claimed that the Iraqis had 8,500 liters (2245 gallons) of Anthrax. None was ever found.
Powell claimed that Iraq had four tons of VX nerve gas. The UN had already confirmed that it was destroyed. The only VX ever found were samples the US had left as “standards” for testing.
Powell claimed that Iraq was building long-range remote drones specifically designed to carry biological weapons. The only drones found were short-range reconnaissance drones.
Powell claimed that Iraq had an aggregate of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical and biological warfare agents. Powell gave no basis for that claim at all, and a DIA report issued the same time directly contradicted the claim. No biological or chemical weapons were found in Iraq following the invasion.
Powell claimed that “unnamed sources” confirmed that Saddam had authorized his field commanders to use biological weapons. No such weapons were ever used by the Iraqis to defend against the invasion and, of course, none were ever found in Iraq.
Powell claimed that 122mm warheads found by the UN inspectors were chemical weapons. The warheads were empty, and showed no signs of ever having contained chemical weapons.
Powell claimed that Iraq had a secret force of illegal long-range Scud missiles. None were ever found.
Powell claimed to have an audio tape proving that Saddam was supporting Osama Bin Laden. But independent translation of the tape revealed Osama’s wish for Saddam’s death.
Here we have a REAL Hoax, except its Powell whos Hoaxing The People. ‘Unnamed Sources’ abound all throughout this load of hooey, Lies after Lies after Lies. Alot of Claims here with no sources. Pretty damning.
Should I continue? Yes, I think I will, Lets see you wriggle out of ALL these false Claims or Hoaxes Freepers;
Colin Powell’s UN debacle also included spy photos taken from high flying aircraft and spacecraft. On the photos were circles and arrows and labels pointing to various fuzzy white blobs and identifying them as laboratories and storage areas for Saddam’s massive weapons of mass destruction program. Nothing in the photos actually suggested what the blobby shapes were and inspections which followed the invasion, all of them turned out to be rather benign.
In at least one case, the satellite Powell claimed had taken one of the pictures had actually been OUT OF OPERATION at the time. And many questioned why Powell was showing black and white photos when the satellites in use at the time over Iraq took color images.
Another piece of evidence consists of documents which President Bush referenced as in his 2003 State of the Union Speech. According to Bush, these documents proved that Iraq was buying tons of uranium oxide, called “Yellow Cake” from Niger.
Since Israel had bombed Iraq’s nuclear power plant years before, it was claimed that the only reason Saddam would have for buying uranium oxide was to build bombs.
This hoax fell apart fast when it was pointed out that Iraq has a great deal of uranium ore inside their own borders and no need to import any from Niger or anywhere else. The I.A.E.A. then blew the cover off the fraud by announcing that the documents Bush had used were not only forgeries, but too obvious to believe that anyone in the Bush administration did not know they were forgeries. The forged documents were reported as being “discovered” in Italy by SISMI, the Italian Security Service. Shortly before the “discovery” the head of SISMI had been paid a visit by Michael Ledeen, Manucher Ghorbanifar, and two officials from OSP, one of whom was Larry Franklin, the Israeli spy operating inside the OSP.
Israeli Spy in Feiths Office? Ruh Roh. Would you like More? And thats just Powell.
November 1st, 2005 at 2:24 amOww thats gotta hurt.
November 1st, 2005 at 2:25 amNow Lets show that conservative NEO-CONS are really Democrats.
Jeane Kirkpatrick was a prominent member of the Coalition for a Democratic Majority (CDM) and the Committee on the Present Danger (CPD). CDM is an anticommunist group that was formed by the conservative wing of the Democratic Party in 1972 to promote a strong military. Many of its members went on to join the hawkish CPD. (26) Kirkpatrick was also connected with PRODEMCA (Friends of the Democratic Center in Central America). (27) PRODEMCA used funds from Oliver North’s illegal contra support network for media campaigns in favor of aid to the Nicaraguan contras. (40) Kirkpatrick has been on the “faculty” at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a rightwing think tank sometimes called “a parking lot for former government big shots.”(27) She also served on the board of Lewis Lehrman’s conservative citizens lobbying group Citizens for America and on the stridently anticommunist Committee for the Free World. (16,29) She was the vice president of the short-lived Nicaraguan Freedom Fund, a group funded by the Unificationchurch owned Washington Times which was supposed to funnel aid to the Nicaraguan contras. (30,31)
Unification Church, The Times, Ollie North, and a Democratic Conservative Republican NEO-CON. What a Lovely Group.
November 1st, 2005 at 2:38 amHow long are you Freepers going to Deny? You Guys obviously have no balls, if you did, with all this kicking you Dead Square in the Nuts, you think you’d wise up. But nooo, we kick the crap out of you daily and you come back for more. You Freepers are Numb Nutz, you think anyone here is going to change their mind from what you say?
Nope. Aint gonna Happen, Give up the Ghost.
LOL, not a peep from the Freeps.
Whats wrong Truth got your tongues?
The Mighty Freeper rode into town, cocksure, and full of arrogance, he rode thru, proudly.
November 1st, 2005 at 1:19 pmA Cowboy stops the Freeper and says;
“Climb down out of your saddle boy, cannot you see you are riding an Ass?”
tank/ned/dumbass/nor east dimentia/aphrodykie, whoever you are
pretending to be today
You fool no one, you have to have your head burried up your ass so far that you breathe farts not to know your side is sunk.
If you like the current climate of corruption in the Government, keep voting. If you don’t like the FACTS in here
GO AWAY
Pure and simple much like yourself, your the minority here.
dumbya is corrupt, he lies so much that he has to have someone else call his dog.
his school marm wife murdered her highschool boyfriend.
KKKarl rove is so crooked he has to screw his pants on.
crash-cart cheeney has no heart, and engineered this war with some of the other criminals you will no doubt be defending later.
war crimes are being committed by these nazis, and you sit back and call someone else a fool.
LOOK IN THE MIRROR.
Now go away if you don’t like the ideas and FACTS here.
November 2nd, 2005 at 2:05 amThe bush family is corrupt and supports racism and hate.
THEY MUST GO!
November 2nd, 2005 at 3:41 amI want to see Bush and Cheeney removed from office NOW.
VOTETOIMPEACH.ORG
I was soooo wrong, and such an idiot for supporting a murdering administration.
I want to extend a personal apology to all on this blog.
I want to say those of you that thought I was
mighty aphroditie, Northeast Delima, Turk, Joe Sixpack and Jeff Gannon were
totally correct.
I am only one person, and I have tried to show that there are more than one person that support the
Bush administration.
I am paid by the administration, and i feel totally dirty and guilty.
November 2nd, 2005 at 3:06 pmKill a troll, take a stroll…..
it is a wonderful day to be a democrat/liberal!
November 3rd, 2005 at 2:15 amDid you notice that cracker dumbya and his boyfriend-killing wife didn’t even speak at Rosa’s funeral?
Cracker Mo.Fo.
I hate that lying bastard!
He sends poor kids off to be killed and his cracker ass daughters live the life of a princess.
Impeach they lying bastard
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