Kristof:
By on Oct 31st, 2005 at 11:42 pm
Kristof:
“Mr. Cheney, tell us what happened. If you’re afraid to say what you knew, and when you knew it, then you should resign.”
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You said it, brother.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:46 pmPatrick Fitzgerald, of course, is right. Establishing the truth about the path to war in Iraq is not his job, but that of Congress or the White House. Sadly, when it comes to finding definitive answers regarding the Bush administration’s uses of pre-war intelligence, neither Republican-controlled institution seems too concerned about the truth…
For the full story, see:
“Fitzgerald, Iraq and the Truth About Pre-War Intelligence.”
November 1st, 2005 at 12:11 amLet’s ask the same of Mr. Bush.
Tell us what you knew, and when you knew it.
November 1st, 2005 at 12:29 amFrom Mr. Cheney “F*ck Yourself.”
Need I say more?
November 1st, 2005 at 12:31 am#3
AA,
That is the exact problem. These cranks won’t do a goddamn thing and neither will the fvcking Dems. I am getting sick of this sh!t. Where are the Democratic leaders. They are a bunch of spineless wussies that aren’t doing a damn thing.
Are we to sit back and do nothing while George Bush and company ruin this country? That seems to be what the Democrats want us to do.
“Let’s just wait and see what happens. Maybe they will get themselves into trouble.”
Screw that. We need to make it clear to the Dems that we need new democratic leaders. This si the main problem with what happened to Kerry. He sat back and let the now debunked Swift Boaters ruin his campaign. Oh yeah, they are debunked now. Big fvcking deal. He should have did something then.
What do we do folks? I am open to suggestions. I will do whatever is legal and will rally if there is a call from our leaders, but I don’t seem to hear any of them.
What was the last thing a Democratic did that was in the paper? Bill Clinton asked for our help for Katrina. Oh yeah, he did that with Bush Sr. He is in bed with them. They all our.
What do we do? Do I sit on my thumb? Should I dump my girlfriend and her kid, so that I can go fight? Not in Iraq. Was already there.
November 1st, 2005 at 12:34 am#7
I already do that. I don’t drink Bud. I don’t eat at Subway. I don’t shop at Wal-Mart, etc. etc. etc.
What else can we do? These guys are still posting huge profits.
I can’t walk to work. The housing near the “good” paying jobs is too expensive. So, I am forced to commute. I really want a hybrid car to cut down on gas consumption, but they are too damn expensive. I don’t do any extra driving at all. I drive to work and back. Maybe to my parents on the weekend, which is only a couple of miles.
I vote. I am very active in telling people the truth and bringing their lies to the foreground.
How do we as individuals get our Democratic leaders to do what we want rather than have them just follow there own agendas.
Do any of you think Hillary would take the time of day to talk to any of us? I mean in a one on one discussion? No, she wouldn’t, which makes her NOT FOR THE PEOPLE. She is one of them. Why does her name keep coming up for presidential consideration? She should be kick the fvck out of office too.
How do we get our presidential nominee onto the ballot? That is the information I need. How many signatures would it take to keep us from losing to these freaking scumbag NeoCons again. The US can’t take much more of these bad policies and politiicians.
November 1st, 2005 at 1:09 amSpudgeBoy, you need to contact each and every representative and senator in your state and demand impeachment hearings.
I don’t care if they are dems or pugs, let them know that they will not have your vote unless they begin impeachment hearings.
As for a new leader, I suggest Donald Trump. If we nag him enough and beg him to take over the reins we may have a shot. At this point, I am not interested in having a “politician” run for president.
I too am not casting a vote for Hillary, her husband says that he likes George Bush and considers him a friend.
IMPEACHMENT IS THE ONLY SOLUTION….FORCE CONGRESS TO BEGIN HEARINGS IMMEDIATELY.
November 1st, 2005 at 2:20 amre: #8…
RUN FOR OFFICE and become a democratic leader.
November 1st, 2005 at 3:52 amIt’s pretty bizarre that noone in the Bush gov’t talks about it. The decision to ignore the problem will not go unnoticed forever by regular folks. I’ll see to that in my neck of the woods.
November 1st, 2005 at 7:31 amThey have decided on what appears to be a successful strategy of hiding behind the “pending legal procedure”. How ironic that Libby not only serves as the patsy for the administration but his “case” is going to protect them from further inquiry.
November 1st, 2005 at 7:32 am“I already do that. I don’t drink Bud. I don’t eat at Subway. I don’t shop at Wal-Mart, etc. etc. etc.”
What a good little progressive you are! You really toe that liberal line, huh?
If there was some sort of Church of The Left you’d probably be a deacon because of your devotion and your faith.
BTW, isn’t it Coors that you’re supposed to be boycotting?
November 1st, 2005 at 7:54 amWhat did Anheuser-Busch do?
I hope Bush, Cheney, and Rove will be impeach before 2008. We need to take our America back from these RIGHT WING RELIGIOUS NUTS.
November 1st, 2005 at 8:15 amShame on the Dems for letting Cheney slither into his hole and stay hidden. They should filibuster Congress until the Veep either comes clean on what he told Libby about Mrs. Wilson, or he resigns.
P.S. Nick Kristof’s column is NOT worth paying money…
November 1st, 2005 at 8:29 am#14 Boycott both… it’s not hard, they make shit beer anyway. Go one better and make your own beer.
Back to the topic. It’s pointless. Snarling Dick doesn’t think he’s accountable to the American people. He thinks he’s above the law. Congress is full of his Repubican toadies who will swallow whatever he tells them, they will never vote for an impeachment.
The Democrats, they need to grow a spine. Actually, I listened to Dean on NPR over the weekend, I think it was Tavis Smiley’s show. I was impressed. Dean definately went up a notch in my estimation. I think Dean “Get’s it”. I don’t think the Senators do though. Too many contaminated by having voted for Iraq and they refuse to repent for that sin.
November 1st, 2005 at 8:40 amLet the momentum build: If Dick Cheney can’t openly and honestly speak to this CIA leak, he should go, or be forced out by Pres. Bush. Everyone: Hey Dick, speak up or go! Repeat as often as needed. -Kevo
November 1st, 2005 at 9:09 amTOMAIG sounds like a disease. I wonder, is it one that affect the brain?
November 1st, 2005 at 9:20 amSure and then Bush can appoint Condi to VP and try to “heal” the country. The first female and black VP – major achievement for a Republican. Are you guys writing political cover for him or what?
Liberals need to get a clue before they have any hope of lying their way back into power.
November 1st, 2005 at 9:22 amI can only hope the GOP put that uncle tom in power without an election. Remember:
“Libby is forgetful” and “No indictment on the primary charge is a success” are the lies of people who would kill you as much as look at you.
NED, quit using blacks for your political gain before I reach through your computer and smash you like a soft turd.
November 1st, 2005 at 9:26 amPlace back of head against concrete curb. Commence pounding until exhausted.
November 1st, 2005 at 9:30 am#21 – whatever loser. I’ll smack your racist ass down anyday.
November 1st, 2005 at 9:31 am#6 and 8, Spudgeboy — I share your frustration and your viewpoints. I don’t think we are alone, in fact, I think we are the majority, but I haven’t seen a way or a person who can lead us all out of this mess.
November 1st, 2005 at 9:41 am#16, DF, I, given the chance, would tell Cheney to go fvck himself, but nothing would come of it. He will never come clean — he’ll die first, and his soldiers will defend him to the end. BTW, why the hell did the NYT do that with their columnists? Seems like a poor PR move to me; I have written them, but it has the same effect as talking to Cheney.
#17, I am heartened by Howard Dean, but he doesn’t get the time of day from talking heads. I saw C. Matthews do his best Rocky impersonation on Dean yesterday — Dean did pretty well, but Matthews cut him off when he began to talk of a plan.
I am screaming now.
#20
How do you know that that’s not the plan anyway? A contingency plan in the waiting. A perfect plan to continue the PNAC, wouldn’t you say? Hypothetically speaking….Cheney says he is not running in ‘08 and that’s probably true. So he steps down before then for “health reasons,” and Condi gets the spot. She runs in ‘08 and wins (and again in ‘12 with the help of rigged electronic voting machines), keeps most of Bush’s staff (those not indicted/convicted in the ongoing Plame investigation) and is in for 8 years. Should be plenty of time to complete the PNAC. After all, you can’t complete it unless you have someone who is currently “on the inside” (wink, wink).
November 1st, 2005 at 9:45 amNeD – good to know you’re in agreement that Cheney needs to go. Call your congressman when you get a chance.
November 1st, 2005 at 10:01 amCalm down folks. Fitzgerald’s way IS to feed up the chain. Rove & Cheney will end up being charged. Rove – for lying to a Grand Jury & exposing the identity of a CIA agent (Libby will also have that added eventually). Cheney – well he’ll just get it for lying to the Grand Jury cause it was legal for him to tell Libby & Rove she was CIA.
Susan- I’d love to see impeachment. We won’t. Repubs will never bring it to a vote in the house. Now if we can change the balance of power in ‘06, then it may come to pass, which would be wonderful.
So, my take, let Fitzgerald do his thing & donate money & work for progressive candidates to win in ‘06.
righties – didn’t even read your crap nor will I. My time means way more to me than to foolishly waste it on your immature and obsessive bullshit.
November 1st, 2005 at 10:39 amTo Nicholas Kristoff
Boy, Kristoff. First you were dismissing the CIA leak investigation as a lot of smoke and mirrors (and comparing the diligent and honorable Patrick Fitzgerald to Inspector Javert). Now suddenly you are taking it very, very seriously.
The real question is, why should anybody take YOU seriously any more?
November 1st, 2005 at 10:43 am“Rove – for lying to a Grand Jury & exposing the identity of a CIA agent…”
Really?
So under what statute will Rove be charged for “exposing the identity” of Ms. Plame?
Just asking, since you seem to have all the answers.
November 1st, 2005 at 10:43 amMarie and all to the left, do we have a Democratic blog somewhere besides here that we can post on.? Maybe one that our so called representatives might be reading. I have been writing them untill I am blue and get little or no response. I am now ready to vote most of them out of office their next time around. The silence is defening and many have joined the Repubs……Blessings
November 1st, 2005 at 10:50 am#
#21 – whatever loser. I’ll smack your racist ass down anyday.
Comment by The Northeast Dilemma — November 1, 2005 @ 9:31 am
Uh, NeD- You’ve already admitted on this site that you don’t have the sack to go fight for your president. You’re not smacking anyone down, Internet Toughguy.
November 1st, 2005 at 11:23 amLook NeD- From Wikipedia:
Chickenhawk is an epithet used in United States politics to criticize a politician, bureaucrat, or commentator who votes for war, supports war, commands a war, or develops war policy, but has not personally served in the military, especially one who opted out of a previous war on dubious grounds.
Chickenhawk is a compound of “chicken” as in “coward” and “hawk” as in “pro-war,” thus a chickenhawk is someone who is in favor of a war as long as someone else does the fighting and dying.
November 1st, 2005 at 11:26 amNED You are dreaming that CONDI would be V P. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN. The Dems will win in 2008. Republicans are going down in 2006 and we will take over the House and Senate. You are a loser like the Republican Corrupt Party.
November 1st, 2005 at 11:36 amMary, some how at this point I do not see that happening. None of our leaders are saying much, if anything. They are not voting the way we wish them to, nor are they lining up with we the voters against the war or on any of these judge nominees. They are for the most part silent and spinless…..Blessings
November 1st, 2005 at 12:01 pm#30
Marie and all to the left, do we have a Democratic blog somewhere besides here that we can post on.? Maybe one that our so called representatives might be reading. I have been writing them untill I am blue and get little or no response. I am now ready to vote most of them out of office their next time around. The silence is defening and many have joined the Repubs……Blessings.
Sharon, the only one that I am currently aware of is provided by John Conyers. http://www.conyersblog.us
Registration is required.
November 1st, 2005 at 12:34 pm#35 WC I know Senator Russ Feingold has a blog but I don’t have the Internet address. Senator Russ Feingold does answer my letters when I write to him. I am happy he is my Senator.
Sharon The Dems better start saying something about what is going on. There silence is on real.
November 1st, 2005 at 1:06 pmYep! Mary, I’m hopping mad. I spent 45 years fighting the good fight for all the people in our country and these people in office with only a few exceptions are rolling over and giving it all away. Before this nut job Bush declares martial law and comes after my gun’s I’m going to fight all this crap. The war, the judges that are all extreme right wingers, pollution and distroying all our prestene areas and wild life, all our civil rights, our debt held by foreign powers, our media bought and paid for by the Pat Robertsons, on and on. Do I hear from any representatives.? No, and when I do it’s, spinless plabber with no mussel. The vote’s come around and how do they vote.? With the facests. I have a 8 week old black lab puppy with more spunk and bite than any of my representatives. I’m mad as hell and I’m screaming. Ready for a revolution……Blessings
November 1st, 2005 at 1:18 pm#14
“If there was some sort of Church of The Left you’d probably be a deacon because of your devotion and your faith.
BTW, isn’t it Coors that you’re supposed to be boycotting?
What did Anheuser-Busch do?”
First of all, I won’t go to any church. My beliefs are my own and not somebody elses.
GOP, Dems argue over beer money
Monday, August 8, 2005; Posted: 9:30 a.m. EDT (13:30 GMT)
Nobody should expect us to write a check to the Republican Party.” Lachlan McIntosh, S.C. Democratic Party executive director
GREENVILLE, South Carolina (AP) — South Carolina Republicans say the Democrats owe them beer money.
In April, Anheuser-Busch Co. — based in St. Louis, Missouri — wrote a $5,000 check intended for the state Republican Party.
Instead, the envelope was addressed to the state Democratic Party, which promptly deposited the money.
Now, state GOP leaders say the South Carolina Democratic Party needs to return the beer money they are owed.
Democrats say the check is in the mail.
Katja Zastrow, Anheuser-Busch’s regional director of governmental affairs in Washington, said in an e-mail statement that the check went astray “through a series of administrative oversights.”
She said the company is working with both parties to resolve the situation.
Democrats say they have sent a refund check back to Anheuser-Busch: “Nobody should expect us to write a check to the Republican Party,” said Lachlan McIntosh, the Democratic Party’s executive director.
The GOP said the refund was sent only after it threatened a lawsuit.
Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
November 1st, 2005 at 1:50 pmSpudge, is this for real.? I am disapointed of so…..Blessings
November 1st, 2005 at 2:08 pmso again – why are you boycotting Anheuser-Busch?
Any reason ?
November 1st, 2005 at 2:21 pm#28 Sharon
November 1st, 2005 at 7:53 pmMaybe today we have seen the beginning of the end of the Bush reign. I’d like to think that thousands of calls and more thousands of Emails and letters have emboldened the Dems to grow a spine. Let’s see where this all leads.
The tip from WC #33 is a good one, as are many, many others, but who knows what the pols read? I have wondered if they read their own mail.