Samuel Alito’s America
Samuel Alito’s America
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CNN reports that “President Bush will nominate 3rd Circuit Appeals Court Judge Samuel Alito for the U.S. Supreme Court.” Who is Samuel Alito? ThinkProgress has the facts:
ALITO WOULD OVERTURN ROE V. WADE: In his dissenting opinion in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, Alito concurred with the majority in supporting the restrictive abortion-related measures passed by the Pennsylvania legislature in the late 1980’s. Alito went further, however, saying the majority was wrong to strike down a requirement that women notify their spouses before having an abortion. The Supreme Court later rejected Alito’s view, voting to reaffirm Roe v. Wade. [Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 1991]
ALITO WOULD ALLOW RACE-BASED DISCRIMINATION: Alito dissented from a decision in favor of a Marriott Hotel manager who said she had been discriminated against on the basis of race. The majority explained that Alito would have protected racist employers by “immuniz[ing] an employer from the reach of Title VII if the employer’s belief that it had selected the ‘best’ candidate was the result of conscious racial bias.†[Bray v. Marriott Hotels, 1997]
ALITO WOULD ALLOW DISABILITY-BASED DISCRIMINATION: In Nathanson v. Medical College of Pennsylvania, the majority said the standard for proving disability-based discrimination articulated in Alito’s dissent was so restrictive that “few if any…cases would survive summary judgment.†[Nathanson v. Medical College of Pennsylvania, 1991]
ALITO WOULD STRIKE DOWN THE FAMILY AND MEDICAL LEAVE ACT: The Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA) “guarantees most workers up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave to care for a loved one.” The 2003 Supreme Court ruling upholding FMLA [Nevada v. Hibbs, 2003] essentially reversed a 2000 decision by Alito which found that Congress exceeded its power in passing the law. [Chittister v. Department of Community and Economic Development, 2000]
ALITO SUPPORTS UNAUTHORIZED STRIP SEARCHES: In Doe v. Groody, Alito agued that police officers had not violated constitutional rights when they strip searched a mother and her ten-year-old daughter while carrying out a search warrant that authorized only the search of a man and his home. [Doe v. Groody, 2004]
ALITO HOSTILE TOWARD IMMIGRANTS: In two cases involving the deportation of immigrants, the majority twice noted Alito’s disregard of settled law. In Dia v. Ashcroft, the majority opinion states that Alito’s dissent “guts the statutory standard†and “ignores our precedent.†In Ki Se Lee v. Ashcroft, the majority stated Alito’s opinion contradicted “well-recognized rules of statutory construction.†[Dia v. Ashcroft, 2003; Ki Se Lee v. Ashcroft, 2004]
Good. All you weenies need to let this one go. Let the states split. Let there be 2 Americas. Bush legacy.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:01 amBush, already driving this country downhill well past the speed limit, is about to shift into fifth gear.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:09 amLet it go. Overturn Roe v. Wade. Let the country split. Let’s destroy the GOP. All these little laws circumventing Roe are killing democracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 31st, 2005 at 7:17 amI would rather have a REAL United States with about 28 states than this eternal BS every 4 years. Let the country split!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 31st, 2005 at 7:19 amWell, who didn’t see this coming?! Bush got slapped down the first time for someone who wasn’t overtly conservative and wasn’t expressly in the mold of Scalia. This guys nickname is “Scalito” for God’s sake. He was bound to fold under pressure from his far-right base and appoint someone who has proved in his track record that he would strike down Roe. Mark my words, you’ll have the right-wing talking heads salivating over this guy by 10 A.M. Monday.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:19 amI’ll believe the nomination when I see it. No one expected John Roberts and everyone was saying it was someoneelse. Sometimes the whitehouse offers disinformation.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:20 amStrike down the Family and Medical Leave Act? He can’t be serious.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:21 amDisinformation from the WH…you think.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:24 amWell we know who runs this Country,,,,Tony Perkins,James Dobson,Pat Robertson,Jerry Falwell, Southern Baptist Convention and the Pentecostal’s.
Miers would’ve been a much better on I think she would’ve been a swing vote….
Wonder if this was a setup by bush by using Miers as a red herring then giving us a much more hard liner?
October 31st, 2005 at 7:33 amIf roe v. wade is overturned, no more republicans… sounds good to me.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:37 amHarriet Miers was an obvious set-up, a straw woman to usher in a real sonuvabitch.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:39 am3 Catholics on the Supreme Court? Call The Know-Nothings… Now!
October 31st, 2005 at 7:41 amAverage TV Viewer- With ya all the way. Hey, if they want an Ayatollah regieme they can have it! And the rest of us can move on creating a more perfect union.
Let e’m kill themselves off!
October 31st, 2005 at 7:41 amWe will be going backwords to the 1950’s with this guy. I knew he was up to something when he nominate Miers and know this guy. A woman should been nominate.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:42 amMakes ya wonder if the Harriet Meirs’ thing was planned all along. Look at the timing, the Administration knew the Fitz. case would have a deadline, by nominating Meirs they got 3 birds in the bag; 1) Nominate a woman, 2) Find out exactly what support the base was going to provide and 3) Blow smoke over the pesky little Scooter Leeky debacle and Wallah! GW rises to the top again. Very Rovenesque. Watch the Forged Document thing from the Italian Secret service thing bubble up next. Connections to Wolfowitz very scary, here is a great link on this and check out the date of his article. Enjoy. http://www.juancole.com/2004/08/pentagonisrael-spying-case-expands.html
October 31st, 2005 at 7:44 amJust in time for Halloween, the White House presents the liberals with their latest bogeyman: Judge Alito….
The demonization has begun already.
I predict new heights of apoplexy on the Left…
October 31st, 2005 at 7:50 amScalito?
October 31st, 2005 at 7:53 amI’m with Average TV Viewer.
Since the “blue” states have all the universities, key industries, and money, secession would mean that the “red” states would instantly become the third world country they really are. California and New England alone control 90% of the shipping ports. We can join a common currency with Canada and leave them with the bankrupt US Treasury.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:54 amYeah, let’s leave the Red states to go back to the Stone Age of Bush World. I’d love to join the Blue states to Canada or some other civilized country!
October 31st, 2005 at 7:59 amA man has no right to tell a woman to have this baby. The RIGHT WING RELIGIOUS NUTS are not going to raise this child. Most of American do not want Roe v Wade over turned.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:59 amI cringe every time the talking repub heads say there are comsequences to elections,yeah we got screwed from them stealing the election and we get screwedwith these hacks,what a crock!
October 31st, 2005 at 8:00 amI guess they had to do something to get our attention away from their CORRUPTION.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:04 amThese 28 United States…
YOU BET.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:07 amI hope they get a war over Alito’s nomination by the democracts who have been all but opposition in all circumstances.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:09 amMary Poppin,
Roe is not strong enough to prevent abuse by the right.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:10 amPeople don’t support Roe. They support rights. There is a better way: States. The right keep saying let’s have the discussion at the state level. LET’S DO IT. NOW.
Great summary of his stance on important issues! Can you make it e-mailable?
October 31st, 2005 at 8:10 amSkull and Bones Alito is the fight we on the left want with a weakened Bush.
Bring it on!
October 31st, 2005 at 8:13 am.
Average, I agree. Let the states decide. Too much power concentrated at the federal level now.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:16 am“Stone Age” (comment by K) discredits an era of real progress. What we have here in “Good bless America” is re-/retro-gression.
Not being a religious nut case, I’ve still wondered about those seven deadly sins…wasn’t one of them “pride” (especially “false pride,” something altogether common inside the Beltway)? Somehow the poor just don’t get beyond the convenience of a lost-in-a-flood video shot (a REAL Christian would have at least mercy on the poor instead of plundering them to further enrich the already-wealthy).
The reason we’re “blue” states is we’ve got the edu-base of folks who have thought through the issues and arrived at intelligent conclusions; “red” states voters are scared shitless they’ll have a gay couple living next door. False pride aside, I’m humbly proud to be part of the blue-man/woman group.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:16 amState sponsored religious displays don’t constitute a state sponsorship of religion?
This guy’s got some ’splanin to do.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:19 am[...] ThinkProgress has decided that Alito is the anti-christ. That was quick, almost like they had the copy typed and ready to go… [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 8:19 am#32
He has been discussed as a potential nominee for years. They’d be idiots to not know about him.
Apparently the fact that someone would know about federal judges surprises you, but not everyone is a dumb as you think.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:20 amO’Connor has said she would stay until another justice is confirmed. Fine, let her stay or let her go. This country will survive without nine justices – we have many times before. The Democrats should come out and say that this President is under so much scrutiny and has so many scandals that the American People do not trust him to appoint anyone for a life term. If only the Democrats were truly an opposition party we might be able to survive the Bush Nightmare. I fear they are not.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:25 am…and still the Democrats will confirm him.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:26 amThank you Democrats for giving us a Bush Supreme Court.
But only the most partisan zealot (much like Christian Majority group-think) will still blame the Greens or Nader or the man in the moon, anyone other than themselves.
Myles
[...] Think Progress has more. [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 8:26 amI can only hope a few moderate Republicans will join a unified Democratic opposition to this nomination. After the past few months, From Katrina on, maybe enough eyes have been opened.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:26 amLet the Supreme Court overturn Roe V. Wade and with it the Griswold decision which made it legal for women to obtain and use artificial birth control methods (read birth control pills). Let them roll back anti-discrimination laws, affirmative action, elliminate Medicaid (but never Medicare too many rich people). Let the Supreme Court and this guy take it all away. I am tired of fighting for the rights of people who don’t care or even worse voted for Ronald in ‘80, dad in ‘88 and now this guy. Quite frankly the people that will be most affected by these possible rulings will not be those of us who are reading this website. They are the poor souls out there toiling away at their nonunion wage job. But let it be. This is what the American voter went to the polls and decided they wanted; therefore this is what they get. There should be no surprises and quite frankly I would love to see all of the above go down the drain. It can’t happen soon enough. Then this nation of apathetic individuals might wake up and wonder what happened while they were sleeping. Women can wake up and find out their reproductive choices have been eliminated. Homosexuals, blacks, poor and undereducated can find that they have NO access to healthcare. In the meantime, inflation is creeping up, the housing market will slow, interest rates are going to be raised again and heating bills will soar. Enjoy.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:27 amNow is the time to confront the issue of who really just interprets the constitution and who wants to legislate from the bench. The so-called conservatives have successfully programmed the public on this as they have on turning the word LIBERAL into something bad. Thought reform works unfortunately as the reality of short attention span theatre is proven over and over.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:29 amYep, Miers was a willing “straw man”, with this born, bred, and programmed injustice waiting in the wings to follow his fellow Stepford Judge Roberts onto the golden bench. I knew all that instantaneous wing-nut blogger uproar over Harriet was a bunch of psi-ops malarkey – those guys are constitutionally incapable of breaking ranks with George W. Christ.
Make no mistake, Roberts and Alia are carefully cultivated dauphins prepared from youth by the powerful few who think it is their birthright to own us all. Despite the troubles the ass-puppet Bush administration appear to be having right now, the forces of hereditary fortune and ancient byzantine conspiracy are very close to absolute victory. Let’s f**k’em up!
October 31st, 2005 at 8:30 amHERE IT IS: THE FOURTH REICH!
October 31st, 2005 at 8:35 amAMERIKA THE LAND OF THE FURHER
Grandma, I am with you!
I am also tired of fighting for the rights of people who don’t go to the polls, or vote Repug because they don’t like gay people.
Do they hate gay people more than they love their kids? Guess so. F-em all.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:35 amWould love to hear someone ask the question, “Mr. Alito, what makes Harriet Miers a better judge than you, considering that Bush said she was the best candidate?”
October 31st, 2005 at 8:36 amMyles
People don’t support Roe.
About 55% do.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:37 amGrandmother, as another Grandmother I agree with you completely. I am so tired of the whole thing. My worries about reproductive rights are long behind me. Let this generation put down their cell phones, turn off Desperate Housewives and realize that their political apathy will destroy the rights that a previous generation fought for. I will believe that the Democratic Party fights against this narrow little man when I see it.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:38 amDon’t you love how right-wing trollies like “tomaig” whine and whimper when we get the facts out on Küche-Kirche-Kinder Kandidates like Benito Scalito here?
October 31st, 2005 at 8:40 amBush is a total hypocrite because he had a girlfriend that had an abortion in the 1970’s.
I still don’t understand that these RIGHT WING RELIGIOUS NUTS say they are born again christian. What does this means?
October 31st, 2005 at 8:41 am[...] Yeah, Democrats are gearing up for battle in ways that would make Harriet Miers blush: “ALITO WOULD OVERTURN ROE V. WADE, ALITO WOULD ALLOW RACE-BASED DISCRIMINATION, ALITO WOULD ALLOW DISABILITY-BASED DISCRIMINATION, ALITO WOULD STRIKE DOWN THE FAMILY AND MEDICAL LEAVE ACT, ALITO SUPPORTS UNAUTHORIZED STRIP SEARCHES, ALITO HOSTILE TOWARD IMMIGRANTS.” [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 8:41 amBush is a total hypocrite because he had a girlfriend that had an abortion in the 1970’s.
Source!?
October 31st, 2005 at 8:42 amOne can only surmise that our half-shaved chimpanzee of a president’s “dry drunk” dyslexia exculpated the word filibuster from his idiot-savant lexicon.
Not that it makes a jot of different. The group of 14 will have to allow a democratic fili on this one. You don’t get much more extreme than this guy.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:42 amI am a Grandma and I totally disagree with you. I guess you are not worried about your children and grandchildren. You are totally disguessing.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:46 amIt is so typical of the Left to cry crocodile tears on the one hand (Miers), then cry “Foul!” on the other (Alito). I’m looking forward to this, left wing smears and all. In the end, there will be at least one more conservative justice on the Court, and the era of federal judges making up the law as they prefer it to be – rather than applying the law as it is – will be over.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:46 amYou guys are the biggest babies ever! It’s just a new nominee and you’re crapping yourselves before the Repooblicans really bring the pain. As a Repooblican myself I often sit back with an expensive non-Cuban cigar and imagine the ideal world of colored servitude, slapping my wife in public, and not having to beat up homosexuals because they stayed in the closet. What’s even more ridiculous is that I have to append that comment with a clarification that I’m joking. Ridiculous.
I hate to ask this, but I must. Have you all ever met a conservative? I’m not talking about online blogoworld, but in real life. I hear they eat minorities for breakfast and laugh whenever a paraplegic is denied the sweet life-giving nectar of embryonic stem cells. I even heard that Katrina was caused by Bush’s negligence towards the environment. It’s all true!
October 31st, 2005 at 8:47 amBRING THIS FIGHT ON. You will NOT win. You smear merchants finally got what was coming to you.
Now, you will have to divide you’re time by trying to impeach Bush and tear down Alito. Good luck, you brownshirts. You will certainly need it.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:47 amMary Poppin – the requirement that women notify their husbands before having an abortion didn’t let the man decide, and it had safeguards in place to allow a woman to avoid telling a guy that would beat her up, etc. The husband didn’t get to make the decision, but the requirement would have been that the wife provide an unnotarized account that she told her husband…so you clearly don’t have a real basis for your comment.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:48 amAverage TV Viewer. I take it that you would like the red and blue states to split. You also think that the the red states represent the “Real” America. That would suit me fine as the red states couldn’t survive with out being on the federal tit. Yes most of the matcho red staters couldn’t colect a paycheck if they didn’t get some kind of federal subsidy that comes from blue state taxpayers. Good Bye, Dry up and blow away!
October 31st, 2005 at 8:54 am52,53,54
Enjoy this last desperate gasp of an imploding presidency. It won’t succeed and it won’t keep Bush and Cheney out of the slammer where those criminal war mongers belong.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:54 amThe word liberal is not a dirty word it means generous, as in care for the poor and elderly etc as Jesus comanded us. The word conservite means stingy as in tax cuts for the greedy and forget the helpless as Jesus said it would be easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the gates of heaven. I guess all those right wing christians thought Jesus did not really mean it or rhey have never read the Bible.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:56 am#55 I am not talking about her husband. She has a right to decide if she wants this baby. You are not the one having this baby. I do have a real basis for my comment. You are totally wrong. Most of the women having abortions are not married. It could be for health reasons or if she was raped. You have no right because you are a man.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:59 am… may i suggest you not contribute any more of your hard earned money to the Dems until they actually have stood up for the above mentioned liberties of the People.
… tell ‘em “i will believe it when i see it”, then begin contributing again. Money talks… b.s. we’ve had enough of!
Dave
October 31st, 2005 at 8:59 amAnother grandma weighing in. I also am tired of fighting, but the MSM are really in the pocket of the GOP. I had to turn off TV just now. All right wing, all the time, no matter what channel. Couric’s interview with Joe Wilson was abominable. All of the Reupuglican talking points brought up loud and clear. How can any non thinker make intelligent choices when this is what they hear day in and day out? Many of the poor are too busy working 2 or three jobs just to make ends meet. They only have time for sound bites.
Until the Dems learn how to shout through the the Republican noise machine, I don’t see how we win back the congress or the presidency.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:00 ama neocon’s wet dream…
October 31st, 2005 at 9:01 amRed states, Blue states, seems that all are unwilling to change their fates……
October 31st, 2005 at 9:04 amRoe vs. Wade, corporate corruption, coming depression in the USA……
Let the states decide? Now I am laughing my a** off… As if the federal government would let them…. If the states could decide themselves, Marijuana would be legal, just a small minor example… National Guards troops would not be Iraq as they actually belong to the state and not the federal government or so it is my understanding anyway….. Look at the facist government you have and dream of your freedoms that you no longer can claim and shred your Constitution and Bill of Rights as they will be, actually are, already moot…. They cann’t let the states do anything…. And last time I checked anyway, the elections were rigged and like any crooked game, the house won and we, the people, lost….. If that is the case, we don’t know whom is red and whom is blue and the states are not ALL red or ALL blue but purple and how do you unmix mixed colors?
Grandmother–
October 31st, 2005 at 9:06 amThe “let ‘em get what they deserve” isn’t fair, certainly not to African-Americans. They voted 90% for Kerry. Also gays, 75% for Kerry. Only 51% of Americans voted for Bush; let’s work on defending the 49% who didn’t.
Grandma–you’re blaming the victim. Why do you think gays, minorities and women are apathetic and don’t vote, or vote republican?
October 31st, 2005 at 9:06 amIt’s true that poor white males vote republican–it’s also true that the Republican Party has arranged for their friends to count the vote, that there is strong evidence that Gore and Kerry won the last two elections, and that the powers at the top of the Democratic Party have been able to keep liberals out of the contention so that voters have no real choices.
As for “let the red states go,” that’s nothing but a fantasy–appealing, but it can’t really happen. You’re forgetting the other half of the republicans’ unnatural marriage—they represent those religious- right red-state types, but they also represent the rich and the corporations, who are not about to allow the strongest parts of the US go join Canada.
i am a long time naturalize citisen , i am befundled by my observation of children of immigrants from totalitarian countries .Perhaps it is a crude generalisation , i found them hard nose and strict constructionist when it comes to the law ,a la Scollia .This appointment does not bode well for those of us who hope for the country to find a common voice on the subject of women’s right to choose .Of women’s freedom . The idea that a woman needs her husband’s permission is so primitive . Where is the American experience in these newly citizens ?
October 31st, 2005 at 9:07 amIn the end, there will be at least one more conservative justice on the Court, and the era of federal judges making up the law as they prefer it to be – rather than applying the law as it is – will be over.
Comment by Blue State Red — October 31, 2005 @ 8:46 am
… except for the idiot in Virginia, which of your treasonous ReThuglicans have actually called for an Amendment to the Constitution giving Jerry F. or Sen Frist the call on who gets to choose being a parent and who doesn’t??
Shouldn’t we stop all women in the airports to check if they are pregnant before going over seas, then recheck when they return??
… that would surely be a problem for the Twins, unless they volunteer for service in Iraq… then i’ll give ‘em a pass.
Loony wingnuts… and i was raised by ‘em!!
October 31st, 2005 at 9:08 amRadical change to the electoral system to eliminate the role of money (equating campaign contributions with “free speech”), is the main means
October 31st, 2005 at 9:08 amof eliminating this endemic corruption and tyranny of the inferior. The problem of unscrupulous, intellectually inferior people ruling society in both government and business, is traceable to the electoral system in which money talks and ethical people walk. And societally speaking, this mentality of the administration precisely reflects the hierarchy of inferior administrators/ceo’s ruling their mental and moral superiors, to be consistent with what has happened throughout corporations and all government agencies?
Patriotic? Democratic? All you idiots who say “let the country split” don’t realize that the country is not split at all. You simply don’t want to live in a democracy. You are clearly in the minority, Bush didn’t win against Gore and there was lots of cheating in 2004. We live with it because this is our country. The religeous zelotry that you ultra conservative numbbrains weild lowers you to lieing, cheating and creates a general malaise that surrounds your trailer home. Self rightouse libertines! If you don’t like democracy (what this country stands for!) get out, go make your own country full of toothless, beer guzzeling, tatooed, white trash, homophobic, sexist, flatulent churls. Idiots.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:12 amOverturning Roe v. Wade would be the best thing that ever happened to the Democratic Party in the last 30 years. REpublicans cannot run on “smear the queer” foreever.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:15 amGreg – 57% of the country voted against Clinton when he nominated an ACLU lawyer and she was confirmed unanimously. Nice talking point – shot down!
October 31st, 2005 at 9:15 amI have to wonder if the TP site’s writers have something similar to that file of pre-done obituaries any news organization keeps for when famous people die.
In other words, I’m curious how many potential SCOTUS nominees TP has similar posts written for, and what the posts say.
This isn’t intended as a complaint or accusation; it’s just that procedural stuff like this fascinates me. So keep those files around, for an interesting “what if?” piece a decade or more down the road.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:16 amAndrew – yes, I have met actual conservatives in real life. Some of my best friends are conservative and since I’m black, a woman, and homosexual I realize that they’re not evil people out to destroy me. But then again they don’t equate conservatism with forcing everyone into a pre-defined mold.
You say liberals paint conservatives in unflattering colors? How about the colors conservatives paint liberals in? It goes both ways Andrew. To think it doesn’t is just putting the blinders on.
What gets me is the conservatives that aren’t lunatics supporting the ones that clearly have some serious social agendas on their plates and show NO signs of conservatism in the areas that really matter to most conservatives. Do my friends care if gays can marry? No, not really. They’re intelligent enough to realize that is not a big deal and it’s just a scare tactic used by the Republicans to get less intelligent people to vote for them. But hey, they DO care that this government has no fiscal responsibility and is all about big government and big spending. A real conservative would say let the states decide these social issues. Don’t have the government trying to control all these things. Yet the so-called conservatives in power now are all about the federal government dictating people’s lives. They want an amendement to the constitution to ban gay marriage. They want the supreme court to overturn roe v. wade and ban abortion across the board. Etc. Etc.
There’s a difference between conservative and backwards. The republican party is backwards. They use fear and deception to acquire votes and it works beautifully because most americans don’t bother to actually think. They just react.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:18 amNED’s right. It’s getting to be a full-time job trying to prevent conservatives from hurting themselves and rooting against their own self-interests. It’s like having a retarded sibling who keeps eating dirt and shitting in his own hat.
Bobo Erectus is its own worst enemy. We should let them have Alito, just to see the look on their faces when he starts running them through the shredder along with the rest of us.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:21 amFillibuster is necessary here. Let’s be smart about it though. Educate the moderate republicans, get enough of them to join our side. Take back the house 2006. The main point is here, no one really likes abortion. I know of no one who has got preggers just to have one. We need to put it back in the right wingers face and say “Who of you, besides John McCain has adopted a baby?” Most will be surprised to hear this. Then we can tell the story of knot so honest georgekarl using this info against John McCain.
Keep asking them how many babies they’ve adopted. Keep asking them who’s paying for them (taxcut taxcut taxcut). The best figures I’ve found say there’s half a million kids who are-unadoptable and just sit and wait to turn 18 and go to the welfare rolls. Many Thousands more not adopted. I wonder if the Bush family with all its wealth has adopted anyone.
Let’s tell the end of the story. Tell the republicans (who are the wealthiest among us) to put up or shut up. Show us your program for all of the new babies that will be in our midst. Let them try to tell us the churches wil handle this, it’s a private thing……We can say..”Show us the MONEY”…..put the pressure back in their court. Stand up, Grow some balls, call at least weekly to reps in congress. Write letters, go to events.
God Bless all of us and let’s get to work
October 31st, 2005 at 9:22 amThis means WAR!
October 31st, 2005 at 9:24 amThe fool at the beginning calling us weenies and let there be 2 Americas? Is he kidding? Blue America has propped up Red American FOREVER!
October 31st, 2005 at 9:24 amwhy don’t you folks win an election sometime? then you’ll get to nominate the judges.
the fact is, conservatives own the senate and both houses, that being the case, they get to pick who sits on the bench.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:25 amI’m with Average TV Viewer. Most people are pro choice but the republican party has been hijacked by a bunch of radical christians. These extremists have only one mission and that is saving fetuses and killing criminals and making sure men don’t fornicate. It is obvious they do not want a United States. I say let them have it. Those like Santorum will be shown for their extreme views or some can choose to live in the 50s where men just didn’t tell they were gay and abortions were for the rich.
Funny NeD, you are in a state that overwhelmingly gives its citizens the rights they deserve. Will you move to one of these states that you are advocating? I will, of course, move back to NY or Boston as I will never live in a state that would make a battered wife tell her husband she is aborting his fetus.
Like I say, people are mostly pro choice. It will take a slap in the face, such as Shaivo when the government is right in their bedroom, for the too busy to care about politics and read the news worker to see what is happening to them as individuals. We are not learning from our past and are doomed to repeat. That’s okay, I’m up for the real fight years away.
Let this court go the way of the Vatican and then, only then, will people start to actually see themselves inside the courts. Right now, most just see a bunch of robes. And the radicals only see dead fetuses and weird man on man sex. Let the wheels cog once again, I am free to move to one of the GREAT 28.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:27 amthe man is eminently qualified… confirm him…….i read the comments here and it makes me tremble for this once great country.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:28 amScalito is for cutting the balls off a rapist and shoving them down his throat on the public square, unless the rapist is a woman, in which case, her genitalia are to throughly burnt off with a hot iron. You Liberal rape fiends beware!
October 31st, 2005 at 9:28 am#75 Jeffko I agree with you totally. Great Post!!!! Lets have all the Republicans that want Roe reversed adopt these babies. Right on!!!!
October 31st, 2005 at 9:30 am[...] Meanwhile, the freakout starts at Think Progress with these two posts. [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 9:30 amLast I checked, the normal population of the rest-of-the-universe-outside-the-USA has been at WAR with the loonie repugnicant right since that arrogant spur clanking little dunce sauntered his way into the Whitehouse and brought his maggot-in-chief with him.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:33 amBring it on right wing faggots. Civil WAR NOW.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:36 am#49, In reply to your question on Bush’s girlfriend of the past, I hope this link works:
October 31st, 2005 at 9:36 amhttp://archive.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=159
It’s time for 2 Americas.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:37 amwhy don’t you folks win an election sometime? then you’ll get to nominate the judges.
As soon as we have honest counting again, we will.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:37 amI bethcha that this guy is also gonna try to criminalize my jacking off! I betcha he’ll try, and that’s where I draw the line! Bring it on!. Let’s have the debate. Pro-jack off states vs. the anti-jack offs! This is WAR!
October 31st, 2005 at 9:38 am“Great 28″-I like that.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:38 amThis is a good thing. Theocracy Rule. Jeb and Martial Law in 2008. Overturn Roe Vs. Wade and it suddenly becomes a non-issue and no more money can be raised by the Rethuglican party on this one issue alone.
The West Coast, East Coast and Great Lakes States need to sever all ties with the Red states. Isolate them economically and cut them off from the dole.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:39 am#78 — joshua, that’s a great idea! And since it’s your suggestion, I take it we can count on your vote?
October 31st, 2005 at 9:39 amGreat summary of his stance on important issues! Can you make it e-mailable?
It already is. You can:
A) Email out the link:
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/31/samuel-alitos-america/
or
B) Cut and paste the text into an email. You may need to replace the “smart” quote marks and apostrophes with normal ASCII ones so they don’t show up as blobs to some recipients.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:40 amAnyone that wants a civil war right now, why don’t you move to Canada so that you can have your national health, gay marriages and the like. Good riddence!
October 31st, 2005 at 9:40 amThey can have their 22 state theocracy where treason is acceptable. LET THEM EAT THEMSELVES. They use liberal sentiment to fuel the division. They don’t want Roe overturned. They want divisiveness. It’s the only thing that makes them strong.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:42 amStop the madness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Listen everyone. This is exactly what Rove planned. Eveything about it smells of his slimy work. The Bush administration knew they were going to have a hard time pushing a hardline conservative Justice. So they presented Miers as a sacrificial lamb. Knowing how the Bush White House works, I’ll bet Miers didn’t even know her fate. But she was LOYAL to Bush and went along. Anyway, now Bush has his nomination to placate the Republican’s extreme religious base. Rove and Bush knew they were going to take a hit with the Miers nomination but knew that after her they could then slip in ANYONE they wanted. After all, their arguments will now be… “You just don’t like anyone Bush nominates” or “You just want Bush to nominate someone the left wants.” All really sick and totally in oposition to most of America. At least I have the satisfaction of knowing that I voted for Kerry and Gore. God help us all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 31st, 2005 at 9:42 am2Americas——-1 for real American Patriots
October 31st, 2005 at 9:42 amThe other,those who answer to a higher power(what a joke) and want to rule me and my children. NEVER
Because this is my country you treasonous piece of shit, Randy.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:42 amSome of these conclusions are wacky. He would overturn Roe v. Wade because he thought, 14 years ago, that a spousal notification provision — supported by Pennsylvania’s Democratic governor, mind you — was constitutional? He could not possibly have known that the Court would take it up as their reevaluation of Roe. I’m not saying he won’t overturn Roe, but this is pretty scant evidence to suggest it.
Some of these other accusations border on libel. “Alito supports unauthorized strip searches”? No, Alito thinks they’re constitutional. If you’re going to equate thinking something’s right and thinking it’s constitutional, you might as well just get it over with and announce you’re all crits.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:43 amAtilla the Hun would be proud of this nomination. If this
October 31st, 2005 at 9:45 amScAlito is confirmed expect the clock to be turned back to the dark ages. Always knew that this is what Bush planned from the beginnning with his choice of Miers.If the Dems do not fight this one we will never see daylight savings again.
The Great 28.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:45 amI would like to know his position on fellatio? A senator must ask him whether he would vote for upholding a federal law banning the time honoured practice of fellatio. And good-bye internet porn will be a start of another crusade. Praise the Law!
October 31st, 2005 at 9:45 amDid you hear anyone talking about civil war during the Clinton years? No. Do you really think that you could get enought support for a civil war? Your side can’t put together enough support for an anti-war rally even with Mother Sheenan’s prescence. Where is she by the way? You need to wake up to reality and start taking your medication again.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:47 amDavid,
October 31st, 2005 at 9:47 amThis is all to overshadow treason. But it’s all one in the same. This gov’t is headed to the toilet.
LMAO! The lefties woke up on Fitzmas morning and found out that Santa left them Scalito!
Bravo Zulu, Mr. President – this is an excellent nomination of an imminently qualified jurist who, by the way, was confirmed UNANIMOUSLY (yeah, even Ted Kennedy voted for him) when Bush 41 nominated him to the appeals court.
Let the liberals whine. Let them whimper. Let them cry. Let them piss and moan. We don’t care, because for those of us who have wanted to see judicial restraint restored to SOCTUS for the last 30 years we will NOT back down. Liberals will, because they are cowards. They already talking about (LOL) seceding – let them. Good riddance.
It’s morning in America.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:47 amOVERTURN ROE.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:48 amThe Great 28.
This is all about power. Bushie is a dictator. Lets hope that Martial Law is not put into affect by Old Bushie. This would be pretty scary.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:49 amPP – if you want a culture war, you’ll get it. NY and DC should not be dictating social policy to the rest of the country, especially when that includes forcing states to allow partial birth abortion. Secondly, the Supreme Court favors free speech for those who are against American values, not for.
If you want a fight over this – BRING it on. You have no idea what you are up against. This is not 1987 – the country is more conservative and conservatives have no problem getting in the mud with the like of Ralph Neas and Nan Aron. We will destroy and enjoy it if you mistreat Judge Alito.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:49 am[...] UPDATE: This is just wonderful: ALITO WOULD OVERTURN ROE V. WADE: In his dissenting opinion in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, Alito concurred with the majority in supporting the restrictive abortion-related measures passed by the Pennsylvania legislature in the late 1980’s. Alito went further, however, saying the majority was wrong to strike down a requirement that women notify their spouses before having an abortion. The Supreme Court later rejected Alito’s view, voting to reaffirm Roe v. Wade. [Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 1991 [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 9:49 amIt won’t be blue states leaving you moron.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:49 amRoe vs. Wade = the carrot on the stick. It would be disasterous for the repugs to lose that. I’m in MA and would be unaffected by it. Let the right-wingers see what over-tuning it is REALLY about. It ain’t what they think it is!
October 31st, 2005 at 9:50 amThe democrats in this country better wake up now! We must unite in doing whatever is necessary to stop this GOP machine who are destroying our country one step at a time. Our elections must become clean in every state. Dioboldt must be ousted as they are in the pockets of the GOP and will stop at nothing in every election to keep their mandate. America, WAKE UP, WE ARE LOSING THE BATTLE BOTH HERE AND IN THE EYES OF THE WORLD. Impeach the entire administration and do it by standing up and being heard.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:51 am70% support Roe.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:51 amAlito, “pie face”, supports having first crack with the bride on the wedding night, for all right wing CEOs.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:51 amNortheast, AMEN, brother – the libs think they can get by with another Borking…ain’t gonna happen.
If the whining dems in the senate need the nuclear option to shut them up, then so be it.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:53 amWith all the comparisons to Scalia, I have a question that has nothing to do with ideology:
If Alito had been on a hunting trip* with a major player in an organization, and that organization became a party in a case that came before his court, would Alito recuse himself?
* or similar semi-unofficial bonding exercise
October 31st, 2005 at 9:53 am#118
Abe Fortas resigned when his connections to those with business before the court became known, so I would say YES!
October 31st, 2005 at 9:54 amCulture War Right Wing Cowardly Fags
vs
THE American Patriot
YOU LOSE big time NE bone smuggler
October 31st, 2005 at 9:55 am#117, obviously. Sorry for the error.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:55 amIt looks like everyone got what they deserved on Fitzmas! (Except for Libby of course)
October 31st, 2005 at 9:55 amScared gop aint gonna support this clown.
ITS OVER FOR THE BUSH WH!
BUSH IS WEAK!
“A nomination out of weakness”, “to stop the bleeding of the gop”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 31st, 2005 at 9:57 am“Roe vs. Wade = the carrot on the stick. It would be disasterous for the repugs to lose that. I’m in MA and would be unaffected by it. Let the right-wingers see what over-tuning it is REALLY about. It ain’t what they think it is!”
Kitebro, most of us who are Constitutional originalists do NOT oppose abortion on moral or religious grounds – we oppose it because it is STUNNINGLY BAD LAW. It was an example of arrogant, judicial activism. SCOTUS is supposed to INTERPRET law, not WRITE law. If they found the abortion law in Texas to be unConstitutional, then SAY SO, and let the state legislators write a new law. That’s the way it is SUPPOSED to work.
I for one am frankly sick and tired of 9 unelected black robes deciding for me what I can and can’t do. The country was never intended to be a judiciocracy. I vote for people who I think represent me, and those people in turn are tasked with legislating – it is not the place of SCOTUS to inject itself into the legislative process, but that’s exactly what they’ve been doing for 30+ years.
Thank you, Mr. President, for this wonderful nomination – it is a step towards returning America to Americans, and for that, I am grateful.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:00 amFitzmas gifts are the gifts that keep giving, more indictments to come RANDY the fag.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:01 amRandy will soon have nothing left to fight for. There will be two different countries. They don’t care for bipartisanship, that was only talk to sway the middle. And there was such hubbub about JFK being a Catholic and now we have a Catholic Supreme Court.
There will always be a progressive America and that is where I will pay my tax dollars. The Supreme Court will be, pardon the pun, MOOT. States will have to start seriously thinking about themselves and who they want to be.
I am not for ruining the tradition of the filibuster. The radicals want it gone, but can’t seem to see a future where they will need it. I need for us to be forward-thinking and the state that provides that will be mine. Back to a form of segregation. At least we know where the intelligencia will be. I think maybe that’s the better route anyway. I prefer an intellectual conversation as opposed to ‘me no kill no babies.’ Hell, I’m getting sick of seeing all of the bad hair here in TN already.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:01 amThis man will not be confirmed because Old Bushie and Cheney are going to be impeached before 2008.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:01 amI would love to split the country in half but I have a better idea all of you libs would be better off moving to Canada as was suggested in this silly ass thread..Thank you for you lack of support have a good day
October 31st, 2005 at 10:01 amAll the strategies and ideas to overcome these Washington criminals is to no avail for several reasons:
The Dems can’t win any election when every election is now fixed by paperless voting. Nothing can overcome fixed elections and you don’t hear the party leaders talking about this. They are hopeless and clueless.
The Dems don’t stand up for principles that most Americans share, don’t have no real candidates, currently have no real stated ideology, have a previously voter-rejected leader (Dean), and the party is mistakenly moving to the left of the majority of the country instead of toward the center as it did with Clinton.
As a Democrat, I feel like my party has already blown any opportunity to oust these GOP criminals because of the fore-mentioned reasons. It may not be too late to change things but I suspect that it is. Only revolution can help us now.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:02 amRandy – apparently there were a LOT of naughty liberals, because on Fitzmas morning, they found Scalito in their stockings! LOL!
October 31st, 2005 at 10:03 am… Dont’t worry , dear ones , there’s something rattlin’ in Scare-Alitos closet , and we’ll get to it , soon enough ! And the neocons are DESPERATE (!) to distract us from that word we’re using to describe their adSINastration : TRAITORS !!! No matter where you go , neoconnies , THAT word WILL follow you ALL ! … ;)
October 31st, 2005 at 10:03 am“…RANDY the fag.”
Janice, what’s with the homophobia?
October 31st, 2005 at 10:04 amC’mon, anyone who believes that states would be left to “decide for themselves” after Roe is overturned is fooling themselves. The Repugs don’t really give a Sh#t about states rights. These are the people who send an army of lawyers from halfway across the country because some gay couple somewhere in the middle of the night might be allowed to marry. Does anyone really believe they will allow the blue states to have legal abortions while the red do not? Please. What they want is precisely what they demonize. They want a conservative activist judge who will legislate their culture war from the bench. Period. Watch what people do, never what they say.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:05 amBush nominates Alito: Moonbat Meltdown Time!!!
President Bush just nominated Samuel Alito for Associate Justice to the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court Nomination Blog has an Excellent bio.
Michelle Malkin and Hugh Hewitt agree: It’s time for dancin’.
ConfirmThem.com has a lot of …
October 31st, 2005 at 10:06 am“This man will not be confirmed because Old Bushie and Cheney are going to be impeached before 2008.”
Mary, what are you smoking and can I have some?
October 31st, 2005 at 10:06 amIf Alito is confirmed, he will be the 4th Roman Catholic on the Court, joining Scalia, Kennedy, and Thomas. As a pro-life Democrat, he’s be a 2-fer: Roe will be overturned and the Republican Party will hemorrhage female voters. That’s great news. And, by the way, Americans will never give up abortion. It doesn’t matter what some of us think. Roe v. Wade has become nothing more than a free issue for the Republicans. If they flip it, it is the end of them…
October 31st, 2005 at 10:06 amWhere do you live in MA, SS?. I’d like to pay you a little visit and demonstrate NAZI torture techniques.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:08 amAfter, maybe you will understand the diffence between FREEDOM to choose, and facism.
… Neoconnies are TRAITORS to our COUNTRY ! NO Halloween treats for neoconnie tricks ! … ;)
October 31st, 2005 at 10:08 amI agree with Speculum Sniff!
OVERTURN ROE!!!
OVERTURN ROE!!!
OVERTURN ROE!!!
OVERTURN ROE!!!
OVERTURN ROE!!!
OVERTURN ROE!!!
OVERTURN ROE!!!
OVERTURN ROE!!!
OVERTURN ROE!!!
OVERTURN ROE!!!
END GOP POWER FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 31st, 2005 at 10:08 amYou should be moving soon then, NeD. You must really hate your state. I, personally, think NYC is fabulous and will be back soon. Might I suggest Utah for you? I see they have the highest rate of teen suicide – figures.
My fight is not with a bunch of faux christian extremists, they don’t play fair and, if you actually go to a church, which I’m sure you DON’T, then you will notice they are just as evil as anyone and get their girls abortions so they won’t look dirty. They sleep with each others’ wives/husbands and drink like fish.
I would much rather be around real people to talk about the crap that goes on around them and not about how good they are all.
Fight? I don’t think so. I’m moving towards the future where extremists such as yourself are marginalized.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:10 amNo SS, you cannot have any, buy your own dope. I’m guessing you know where to find some.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:11 amAll of you wingers take note. Bush’s hard core support is down to 22% according to ABC poll. He also has 17% tepid support. Those who strongly hate his guts is now at 45% and those who only find him mildly loathsome at 13%. There are other polls that show a strong inclination for impeachment. This nomination may or may not help him with his base. Who cares? His base is eroding rapidly as more people discover he is incompetant and as crooked as a dogs hindleg. If he can’t suck it up and become a real president and unite the country. The country will unite against him. It is just a matter of time. The first casualty in the process will be the republican congress and a number of state races for Governor. This is already showing up in polling by corporate media like ABC, CNN Gallop, Fox. Gallop has even tried a little push polling on George’s behalf by enlarging the portion or republicans in their samples. If Gallop’s polls reflected the actual percentage of registered voters by party and voting history W would look even weaker. I believe all the noise coming from wingers is them whistling past the graveyard. The longer Bush stumbles the worse it gets he seems incapable of doing anything but stumble. Has anyone considered that W may be a Jonah. He is the unluckiest president I can remember. Some people thought Reagan was dumb but thank god at least he was lucky. This guy is unlucky and dumb. Soon there will be sizeable majorities in this country for impeachment. W is going to try to scare us on Tuesday about bird flu. The worst part about that is that the country is in his hands and he really has not prepared of this epidemic. One thing we all need to remember is that the flu is no respecter of political parties and death will stalk red and blue states equally. When your mother, son, daughter, husband, wife is dead from a failed responce by our government and we are on the verge of economic collapse don’ forget to thank W.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:12 amJanice,
Are you sure there will be more indictments? Why are you attacking me? I thought liberals were supposed to be open-minded? You sound like a man or are you confused?
October 31st, 2005 at 10:12 amHow is IT SS, that you have everything backwards? Did you get in the cabinet under the sink when you were a child and swallow the drano?
October 31st, 2005 at 10:12 amWomen calling weak cowardly right wing men Fag packs one hell of a punch SS . Haaahaaahaaaaa FAG
It’s back to Treasongate tomorrow. Remember:
People who say Libby forgot and people who say a lack of indictment on the primary charge is a success are people who would KILL YOU if they could get away with it.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:13 amTom, apparently Mary shared whatever she’s been smoking with you – I wish you guys would share.
See Tom, you’re just being silly. What conservatives have long wanted is a return to the principles of judicial restraint advocated by the framers of our Constitution. The framers were clear in their writings – when an issue is NOT mentioned in the Constitution, it is to be left up to the states to decide. If the people want something ADDED to the Constitution, there is an amendment process. THAT, Tom, is what conservatives want, and that is what we will fight for until we get it.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:14 am“Haaahaaahaaaaa FAG”
If this is an example of the intellect behind the liberals’ effort to Bork Alito, you might as well give it up now – you are doomed to failure.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:16 amTelling someone to move to Canada is really stupid. Sounds very familiar to the ole’ move back to Africa crap. I’m guessing you were a Strom fan. Nobody’s going anywhere expect within our country.
I whole heartedly agree with the intelligencia here – let them have it and then they will have no talking point. Cut off the head and the body will die. There will always be good doctors who perform safe abortions. When they are arrested, like Rosa Parks, it will start becomming news again. Back to the future we go.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:16 am… My question is , if a MAJORITY of the Supreme Court is Catholic already , AND Scare-Alito makes 1 more to the ‘ fold ‘ , how long will it be before good ol’ religions like Baptists and Penticosts fall OUT of ‘ favor ‘ ?!? Them Catlicks are REAL big on ” NO OTHER religion before MINE ! ” , and GREED rules above God in MOST religions today ! … ;)
October 31st, 2005 at 10:19 amI hope this is what you wanted…
For all my neighbors on the right who are gloating about this Supreme Court nominee about now, maybe you should look at what this means to you personally? Great summary from Think Progress:
October 31st, 2005 at 10:19 amALITO WOULD OVERTURN ROE V. WADE: In his dissenting opinion …
Randy,
Janice is the typical example of liberal “tolerance” – anyone who disagrees with her is a “fag.”
Moonbats like Janice might as well get used to Scalito now – he will be confirmed, and the court will emerge from the dark ages of judicial activism that has infected it for the last three decades and once again begin to do what it is supposed to do – INTERPRET the Constitution.
It is a glorious day in America.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:20 am“Back to the future we go.”
“Great 28″
You’re batting 1000, PNP!
October 31st, 2005 at 10:22 am#144 SS You are the one who is smoking. Bush and his cronies are going down than You can cry in your beer. The court is suppose to be for all Americans.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:22 amSteve, are freakin’ kidding me? Overturning that stunningly bad law would be a DREAM COME TRUE…it, along with Kelo, are but a few of the egregious activisim of an out-of-control court that has long since abandoned any pretense of Constitutional originalism or judicial restraint.
Hopefully, with Roberts and Alito, we will emerge from these dark, DARK years and return to a sane judiciary process in this country.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:23 amIt’s back to Treasongate tomorrow. Remember:
People who say Libby forgot and people who say a lack of indictment on the primary charge is a success are people who would KILL YOU if they could get away with it.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:24 amI completely agree with #146. This is just a temporary darkness in our history. Eventually we will modernize and catch up with the rest of the world on the path towards a better, more educated, and free civilization. It’s just a matter of time. As the baby boomers start passing away, they will be replaced by a more liberal generation. The samething happened in Europe, so too will it happen in the U.S.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:24 am“The court is suppose to be for all Americans.”
Translation – the court is supposed to INVENT rights out of thin air for me whenever I demand them! (Stomp, slam, piss, moan, whine)
SCOTUS is moving back to the center, losers – try not to cry yourself to sleep about it.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:25 am… NO Scare-Alito on the court , children , don’t worry ! There’s somethin’ comin’ for him , and it’s NO bag of treats , I guarantee ! We have just begun to dig in his yard – wait ’til we get to that stanky ol’ closet upstairs ( oooh , it’s dark in there – watch what you step in ! ) ! … ;)
October 31st, 2005 at 10:25 amThis is too good, really. All this whining and seething from the Filthy Left who quickly are finding themselves on the outside looking in. “Let the states divide!” “Bush will be impeached!” “We have a Catholic supreme court!” “Bushie is a dictator!” Haaaahahahahah, what a bunch of losers.
“At the core of modern liberalism is the spoiled child —miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats.”
~ Jesus
October 31st, 2005 at 10:25 amThe extremists want a fight so Bush can look “like a man.” Good luck, he is weak and the world knows it. We will not give him a fight that he has staged.
Again, there will always be abortion. The radicals can’t stop it. They want judges to be moot and they will have their Catholic SCOTUS. Fine and dandy, I know we can’t step back. If we try, we are doomed.
I heard a little talk of universal healthcare from the very few middle ground repubs this weekend. How about them apples. When Hillary said it, it was CRAZY. But now, we start opening our eyes to the possibility that this just may HAVE to exist because of all of the HUGE corporations not being able to pay for FRIST healthcare.
THAT is what I call forward thinking and someone looking to the future BEFORE their is a crisis.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:26 am[...] For an overview of his hostility to liberty, visit Think Progress. Samuel Alito believes that police should be able to strip-search us for drugs even if our names aren’t in search warrants. [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 10:27 am#130 – actually – Randy “the fag” is perfectly acceptable as a description of his IQ. A ‘fag’ is also a bundle of sticks – and Randy obviously has an IQ similar to said bundle of sticks. Get your mind out of the gutter…
October 31st, 2005 at 10:27 amThey’re quoting scripture! It’s gotten that bad! HA!
It’s back to Treasongate tomorrow. Remember:
People who say Libby forgot and people who say a lack of indictment on the primary charge is a success are people who would KILL YOU if they could get away with it.
Jesus hated Pharisee and loved whores!
October 31st, 2005 at 10:28 am… Ewww , it must be Halloween – lookit ALL these stinky trolls , barfing their neoconnie spew all over ! Grab the waders , kiddies , and let’s spray these freepers right back to their GREED-God , BushCo . – ” BushCo. – We’re ruining the future for everyone ! ” !!! … ;)
October 31st, 2005 at 10:30 amWhat’s the Hebrew word for liberal?
October 31st, 2005 at 10:30 am“A ‘fag’ is also a bundle of sticks – and Randy obviously has an IQ similar to said bundle of sticks. Get your mind out of the gutter…”
LOL! Nice try, but we ain’t in England, homie. Peddle your delusions somewhere else.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:31 amIt’s all good if you’re a Nascar Republican. Limited in education and logic, but long on opinion. Whitebread and mayonnaise all the way to church.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:32 amNortheast Douchebag and Snuffy Smith think because they won
a 50.9% “Majority” that they and the Red State Soulmates (many
of whom would see these 2 cheeto-stained losers for who they
are) have some kind of super, unbreakable “right” to rule everything.
It’s the “logic” of the conservaturds: “We rule ALL because we have
the slimmest majority in US History! Yee Haw!”. Great “logic”…
Delay, Frist, Bush, Rove…it’s all coming down. Sooner or later the
thoughtful, non-fearful, non-bigoted, non-ignorant American
People will show you assholes to the door, and you’ll have another
40 years in the wilderness like you did from the 50’s to the 90’s
(or do you know something we don’t *cough* Diebold *cough*?).
Here are some interesting numbers for you:
1931: Senate: 39D, 56R. House: 163D, 267R
Six short years of asshole GOP rule later:
1937: Senate: 75D, 17R. House: 333D, 89R
Careful what you wish for Northeast Douchebag and
October 31st, 2005 at 10:32 amSnuffy Smith. You THINK you have some unimpeachable,
“silent” supermajority but the truth is most people just
think you’re loudmouth assholes and when you try to
jerk us all back to 1889 (or 1389), the backlash will be
a BITCH. And it’s coming soon; the frog in the boiling
pot smells frogslegs already. That’s why The Chimp is
at 39% and a majority of Americans prefer the Dems over
the fascist GOP. Keep pushing. Keep taking from us and
giving it all to the Rich. I’m sure that 50.9% will hold
“forever”, right?
We are not whining and most of us shower daily so we aren’t “filthy.” We are, however, not going anywhere. This country changes on a dime and the truth being shown to the people about the corruption in the WH is evidence of their selfishness and lack of commitment to the people.
It has been shown to all that Bush is bought and paid for by extremists.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:33 amCan you feel the grinding fault, Bigby? OH MY GOD THIS IS HUGE!!!!!
October 31st, 2005 at 10:34 am“That’s why The Chimp is
at 39% and a majority of Americans prefer the Dems over
the fascist GOP.”
Yeah, Bugby, which explains why the Democratic leaders have a collective 32% approval rating…hang on to those delusions, bug. They are all you have.
Nice invoking of Godwin’s law, BTW.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:35 am“It has been shown to all that Bush is bought and paid for by extremists. ”
Not only that, he tried to go moderate and got shot down! He is clearly feeble and weak! “A choice to stop the bleeding”!
October 31st, 2005 at 10:37 am#167 – considering Democrats are bought and paid for by extremists, I think we’re about even. Besides, there is nothing extreme about shifting the Court right. Abortion will not be illegal if Roe is overturned. Affirmative action is a racist policy and overturning will be good for the country.
What liberals are really scared about is that the Court will shift right and no one will care. Remember this fear. AND go ahead and try to impeach Bush – you will be met with a force you have never seen.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:37 amYou are correct Bigby, we are a very young country and are still cutting our teeth. I am in it for the long haul and know that, although history will repeat itself, eventually we hard headed Americans learn. It takes a moment, just a brief moment to jar people back to sanity. It seems as though we will have to take a few steps back to be able to make leaps forward. I see this.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:37 amIt’s Alito
President Bush has just nominated Samuel Alito to fill the seat on the Supreme Court being vacated by Justice O’Connor:
October 31st, 2005 at 10:38 amWASHINGTON (AP) – President Bush has nominated conservative judge Samuel Alito to replace moderate Justice Sandra Day O̵…
Then why did C.Thomas partake of affirmative action?
October 31st, 2005 at 10:38 am#170 – if the left wasn’t so insane, you could have had Miers. But since you people are trying to impeach the President, you gave Bushie no choice. My support is not unconditional and I could easily feed him to you wolves if he doesn’t listen.
So it the left’s own extremism that has brought this on.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:38 amThe hatred of Bush is more significant than wishy washy support of Dems.
These treasonous bastards want to kill you.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:39 am… Ah , that word would be ” ( Al )Franken ” , as interpreted by the definition from the American Heritage dictionary : Frank ( adj. ) > Open and sincere in expression ; straightforward – in other words , JUST like Al ! Hope that helps , Average TV Viewer ! … ;)
October 31st, 2005 at 10:40 am#174 – really good question and one I am sure CT asks himself everytime he hears someone like you bring it up. It would have surely been better for Thomas never to have had those options considering his qualifications would always be in question.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:40 amThere needs to be no impeachment. He has impeached himself.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:40 amAmong his other accomplishmnets, Alito has been on the government tit since law school
October 31st, 2005 at 10:40 amYou’re not going to do anything, NED. Your treasonous gov’t does not give a crap about you. You are an insignificant piece of crap to them.
These treasonous bastards would kill you just as quickly as the next guy.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:41 am#179 – ok, you keep thinking that. Republicans will continue to work on the business of the country while you try to overturn two elections. Your task is bigger than mine.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:41 amNothing is true. Everything is permitted.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:42 amYes, absolutely, let it go Democrats. Let the GOP overturn Roe v. Wade. Let’s split the country between Red and Blue States. It’s been coming to this for over 20 years. Let the country see the difference between a Red and Blue state. The Blue states will have far more personal freedoms than the Red’s. Hell, the Red States will have to put up walls to keep its citizens from escaping. The time has come. Don’t waste time and money on a huge fight. He is just what we need. GO BLUE!
October 31st, 2005 at 10:42 am… Start diggin’ bebes , ol’ Scare-Alito be hiding somethin’ ! Halloween is ALL about opening those dark , scary doors , and slaying the neoconnie beasties that spew forth from their alternate dimension ! Ewww , and they smell bad , too ! … ;)
October 31st, 2005 at 10:44 am“Let the country see the difference between a Red and Blue state. The Blue states will have far more personal freedoms than the Red’s.”
By all means, lets erect the fence now – I don’t want the freakish mutant children of blue state incestual marriages crossing state lines. Our health care system is overtaxed with illegal immigrants enough as it is.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:45 amOVERTURN ROE, IT WILL DESTROY THE GOP FOREVER!!
October 31st, 2005 at 10:45 am“OVERTURN ROE, IT WILL DESTROY THE GOP FOREVER!!”
How?
October 31st, 2005 at 10:47 amLibby forgot
No primary charge indictment is a success
Kill to maintain power
October 31st, 2005 at 10:47 amRepublicans support and inspire criminal behavior and their abortion issues show that human life is only of value when it is allowed to mature and bring profits to the corporation. So when you hear a republican talk of compassion for the unborn, it’s a lie. They just want to enslave the unborn to reap financial rewards for themselves.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:47 amF*CK YOU SPECULUM.
Libby forgot
No primary charge indictment is a success
Kill to maintain power
October 31st, 2005 at 10:48 amWell…May God’s will be done!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 31st, 2005 at 10:48 amRepublicans will continue to work on the business of the country while you try to overturn two elections. Your task is bigger than mine.
That’s true. Trying to take one’s country back from an unelected neo-fascist junta is a much bigger job than shilling for that junta.
What can I say, each of us has to take on the size of job that we can handle.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:49 amBetter to have a 28 blue-state nation… huh? More like 19 if you actually count them (for you numerically challenged leftist-school products, see wikipedia.com/wiki/Red_states for the facts). And unfortunately, most of the blue states are red geographically. The US is a red nation of hard working middle class folk with blue cities where all the rich liberals, union house slaves and social welfare dependents live.
Please keep the left whining (and bring Cindy Sheehan back out again). We need more examples of a failed ideology to help get the Republican agenda rolling again and nothing helps more than a bunch of screaming moonbats, bitter (and hypocritical) Senators and delusional leftists.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:50 amSo that’s a problem, NeD. You don’t give a crap about people, just yourself. You don’t care if America has a great leader. You don’t mind if he is smart or dumb. You also don’t seem to give a hell about his failures or crimes. It is only about what he can do for YOU. That is simply aggregious. That you can drop someone in a second and toss him to side if he doesn’t tow YOUR line makes for a cynical uncaring individual. What do you do to help our your fellow citizens? What do you do for absolutely no reason but to make someone else’s life better?
You see the homeless asking for money and you wonder why they can’t just get a job. I mean, you could so why can’t everyone? Empathy and humility are lessons America has to constantly reteach itself. Society demands this — eventually good will win.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:50 am[...] Update — To understand how reactionary Alito is both politically and in his judicial philosophy, he has actually already written an opinion to overturn Roe v. Wade, and he did so as a Circuit Court Judge, where his main prerogative is correctly applying SCOTUS precedent. ThinkProgress has more. [link] [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 10:51 am#184 What about the states that are not Red of Blue. WI is a purple state. Maybe at some point WI will become a BLUE STATE. WE NEED TO VOTE SENSENBREENER OUT OF OFFICE. I AGREE GO BLUE STATES GO!!!!
October 31st, 2005 at 10:51 am70% support Roe. That will change the colors on the map when you cow tipping yahoos see what real judicial activism is, gop style. You’re an idiot.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:52 am…” Red States ” – it’s ALL about the ‘ red ‘ , isn’t it ? And that’s a VERY appropriate color for neoconnies , too ! Ah yes , red is the SAME color as Hell-fire ( reference to most artwork of Hades – ooh , what’s the color scheme we’re seeing , I wonder ? ) , and the SAME color as the BLOOD of our soldiers being spilled even as we speak for BushCo.s GREED-God , OIL ! …
October 31st, 2005 at 10:53 amFrom Canada, it looks as if the US is heading for a serious crisis (economic and social) and this will be the legacy of George W. Bush. Please, next time, vote! Don’t let the conservatives ruin your country.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:54 am“1985″
“Handmaid’s Tale”
….right around the corner.
Grandma is dead on. What we have now are all of these apathetic young with their cell phones glued to their heads ipod shoved in one ear, too busy downloading their music and their ring tones, caught up in shopping and MTV. They do not care to fight for the very rights women a few decades ago fought for. They haven’t a clue what they are about to lose and too many won’t until it’s too late.
Let me quote what one teen girl told me during a protest “Welcome to the suck. You bitches can burn in hell. GOOOOO BUSH”.
Yeah, wait till she’s knocked up, doesn’t want her baby and she HAS to have it because abortions are illegal. Oh yes, they are going to get a big swift kick in their asses all too soon.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:54 am#195 – my support is NOT unconditional. Bush was backing out of a promise that a plurality of Americans agreed with – conservative judges. I think the President is a masterful politician who wanted to hold on to this fight until he needed it. That’s politics and to say I don’t care about people is just misinformed, but typical.
I care about this country and for that reason, I demand a shift to the right for the Court. If you get back the White House in 2008, I fully expect more Ginsburgs and Breyers. That’s politics and elections matter…
October 31st, 2005 at 10:54 amIf men could get preganant, not only would there be no question of Roe being overturned but we’d have nationalized health care specifically for pregnancies, abortions et al… maternity leave would be legislated for soem12 – 24 months and every man would be issued something akin to a purple heart every time he gave birth…..
October 31st, 2005 at 10:54 amLibby forgot
No primary charge indictment is a success
The “people” are expendable
October 31st, 2005 at 10:54 amMr. Farr
Believe me Sir, I voted. I voted for Kerry, a vote which was wasted all the same as a vote for Bush.
That election was fixed as the one in 2000 was.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:56 amp.s. Happy Halloween to all you Rove-terrified leftists! Wish I had a Rove mask to wear tonight and run around all the fat-cat liberal neighborhoods causing countless wimpy whiners to cream their pants.
Cowtipper
October 31st, 2005 at 10:57 am(A proud member of the right-wing Haliburton-Rove-Bildaburger-Neocon-Nazi-Unlilateral-Jewish Conspiracy)
I think a lot of the people commenting on here are narrow minded even though you say you are libs. You’re blinded, and can only see one side
October 31st, 2005 at 10:57 amI just loved it when this site did their video tribute to Harriet Miers. Now maybe they should do one with Cindy Lauper’s “True Colors” … because today, at long last there is no doubt about the kind of “compassionate conservative” GWB is.
If Dubya thinks Sam Alito is the best judge out there to fill Sandra Day O’Connor’s shoes, then I’ve got a bridge between Brooklyn and Manhattan I’d like to sell you. Any one, it doesn’t matter.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:59 am“A little rebellion now and then is a good thing. The tree of libery must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
October 31st, 2005 at 10:59 am— Thomas Jefferson
Me
October 31st, 2005 at 11:00 amRevolution NOW!
October 31st, 2005 at 11:00 amCowtipper
(A proud member of the right-wing Haliburton-Rove-Bildaburger-Neocon-Nazi-Unlilateral-Jewish Conspiracy)
Please get your ass to a recruiting office and sign up today. They need people like you in Iraq desperately.
Hurry along now, pro life murderer.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:02 amThe Congressional Democrats keep missing the point of the Supreme Court Appointies by falling into the Abortion Debate trap laid by the Corporate Republicans.
The question: Do you think corporations should have more rights then ordinary citizens is never asked.
The question of why “free speech” should be unlimited to Corporations?
The question of: should a Corporation that bases its headquarters outside the United States be considered a American or foriegn entitiy?
The question: do you believe that corporations acting on behalf of the United States (such as Black Water or Haliburtan) should be immune to public scrutny in the form of FOIA and accountability?
The question: Do you believe that corporations should have more privacy rights then individuals and do you believe that Griswald was proper jurisprudence?
The Question: Is there any set of criminal circumstances that a corporation guilty of should have its incorporation revoked and cease to be a legal entitY? (such as killing 5000+ (Union Carbide/Bopal), dissolving $60 Billion (Enron).
The question: Do you think that the endnotes added by the Court Clerk in Santa Clare vs Pacific Railroad is a proper venue for Supreme Court Juriprudence and a basis of subsequent decisions? (that would shake things up!)
The movement to reign in corporate power will be completely undercut by the Corporate owned federal and Supreme Court(s). That is where all this corporate power has historically originated and is propagated from. The abortion demogougery by the “Pro-Coathanger” crowd, while important, pales in comparison to the consequences of the unchecked “corporate rights” non-discussion in Congress and the Judiciary.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:02 ami think that the theocrats could be very upset about this guy too, if their attention were to directed to one decision in particular.
in the case hidayat v. US, alito and a couple other “activist judges” denied an indonesian christian man asylum, sending him back to indonesia to be persecuted and possibly even tortured by his muslim neighbors.
last time i checked, persecution of christians worldwide, especially by muslims in indonesia, remains a hot-button topic of the so-called christian right.
if this became wider knowledge, judge alito would certainly have some explaining to do.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:07 am… Show up at OUR house , cowtipper – and my big , black Great Dane will eat your a** up ! She LOVES fatty , GREASY , pork-laden rump roast , and the Rove mask is like A-1 sauce ! Get’em , girl !!! … ;)
October 31st, 2005 at 11:07 am“I am so tired of the whole thing. My worries about reproductive rights are long behind me. Let this generation put down their cell phones, turn off Desperate Housewives and realize that their political apathy will destroy the rights that a previous generation fought for.”
marjorie–
though a member of “this generation” (i assume?–im 23), i am equally disgusted at the apathy and ignorance i have witnessed in a lot of young people, but i would argue there are just as many clueless people in your generation. after all, it is members of this “previous generation” (which includes bush and woodward, again i assume youre refering to the babyboomers) that are actually destroying our rights.
i am a little tired of hearing about this ridiculous dichotomy, that the young people in the 60s were all so passionate and involved and all the young people today are lazy automatons.
frankly, a lot of the “hippy generation” sold out. they are now the establishment and many have become republicans and abandoned their “childish” liberal ways as their bank accounts have grown.
were still fighting thanks, and your negativity is unhelpful. im sorry youre tired, but i think it is a little naive to think that all those battles were won and ended with roe and just some legislation.
and btw, the average viewer of desperate housewives is forty-something….
October 31st, 2005 at 11:07 amAnyone that wants a civil war right now, why don’t you move to Canada so that you can have your national health, gay marriages and the like. Good riddence!
Comment by Randy — October 31, 2005 @ 9:40 am
Anyone that wants another religiously insane nutjob like Scalito on the Supreme court right now, why don’t you move to Iran so that you can have your religious theocracy, gay witch hunts and the like. Good riddance!
You wrongwingnuts sure can dish it out, but you whine like the spoiled little brats you are when somebody gives as good as they get from human scum like you Repugnicant idiots.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:08 am“…an unelected neo-fascist junta…”
It’s amazing to me that you folks can spout sophomoric drama-queen lines like that with a straight face.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:11 amThank God! Federal Interention is states rights was awful. Look at this criminal that is laying in state in DC. They should have left it up to the states, damn the Feds! They came in and gave the coloreds the the right to vote and get an education.
Praise be to Allah…I mean God, that the real religious folks and the people of faith, not reason are taking back our streets.
I can’t wait for my wife to ask me for contraception. I can’t wait for the presumption of innocence to be thrown away. I am looking for to th recriminilizing of homsexuals, get back in the closet or into jail, that goes for you Mary Cheney!
Happy days are here again. Prayer in schools, large granite religious displays paid for by the public and placed on public property. Rescinding of minimum wage laws, abrogation of international treaties….Brin it on!
-GSD
October 31st, 2005 at 11:13 ammore on topic, im scared…. i worry the democrats are not up to the fight. and stevens is 85!! he needs to hang in there for three more years…hell be pushing 90!!
so thats roberts scalia thomas alito…kennedy, makes a very stong conservative majority already…another bush nominee makes it 6-3…and for all the fuss about souter hes not a liberal.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:15 amTo Granite State Destroyer … I hope that was meant as a joke because it was as funny as hell.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:16 am[...] The Bush Administration is using Rosa Parks as a political pawn to make Judge Alito, their nominee, look sensitive to civil rights concerns. Here’s the thing, Judge Alito has been criticized by his colleagues for effectively arguing for the legalization of race-based discrimination. Rosa Parks would not have endorsed this man. As Ezra writes, this is disgusting, offensive, and patently BushCo. [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 11:17 amJenna gets knocked up at a coke party.
“Daddy can I get one of them things done. I got a bastard baby in me”.
“Hell no. It’s against God. God told me so. He talks to me. By the way Jenna, you got any of that coke left from the other night?”
October 31st, 2005 at 11:18 amWhat about the RIGHT TO PRIVACY. A couple has a right to decide if and when they want a baby. Now the Pharmacist are refusing to fill Contraceptives because of their Religious beliefs. If the Pharmacist cann’t fill the prescription they should not be a Pharmacist. The men can get their condoms. Women have rights too. This is totally wrong. If men had to have a baby their would be abortion clinics on every corner.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:21 amWhere did all the trolls come from? Trick or treating on the big people’s blog? Please do not give the trolls anything – all it does is make them constipated and grouchy…
October 31st, 2005 at 11:21 am[...] The fight will be epic. The rhetoric ubiquitous. Meet Samuel Alito. Cat: [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 11:25 am… Re. #217 – That sums it up for me , (: Tom :) ! Once the neoconnies get a taste of Irans version of GOP ( G.reed – O.ppression – P.unishment ) , they’ll realize their mistake , but alas , it is too late to repent ! The fires of their skewed ‘ freedom ‘ will consume them – Happy trails , neoconnies ! … ;)
October 31st, 2005 at 11:26 am#214
This is a VERY valid point.
Has anyone ventured to see how Roberts, former corporate lawyer, Scalia, Alito (or Miers corporate lawyer that she was) & Co. would expound on Rhenquist’s anti commerce-clause views.
Even Scalia, strict constructionist, has been forced to admit the validity of the dormant commerce clause, found nowhere in the constution and only implied.
These guys want to turn the clock back on federal powers that we take for granted in the environment, taxation, etc. to an era of Calhoun and nullification by states and corporations of federal powers.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:26 am[...] President Bush today announced his pick for a replacement for retiring Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor, one Samuel Alito. Learning from the Miers debacle, Bush took no chances in offending his base and picked a man so conservative he’s earned the nickname “Scalito,” after ultra-conservative Justice Scalia. How conservative is Scalito? [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 11:27 am>>Let the states split. Let there be 2 Americas. Bush legacy.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:31 am[...] Alito is the worst of the worst. He’s a guaranteed vote to overturn Roe v Wade. He’s pro-discrimination, anti-civil rights, and likely to side with big corporations over workers every time. [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 11:32 amAnad – Also, we can get a lot of our income back because we’d no longer be subsidizing the slacker red states with our income tax. In Mass., we get something like 78 cents back on every tax dollar. Mississippi, Tennessee, et. al. get about $1.15. It’s all good— they can simply bring back sharecropping or find another country to sell cigarettes to.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:33 amMy last post didn’t “take” properly, so I’m re-posting it.
“Let the states split. Let there be 2 Americas. Bush legacy.”
Two Americas? Try 50! Picture this – there could be states which allow abortion but have no minimum wage laws, or states which have healthy minimum wage laws but allow unlimited police search-and-seizure. Or states with American style restraints on police actions but which permit religious discrimination, and so on. And while it’s certainly a very, very long shot, secession, a la 1860, by certain states whose citizens have had enough Bush Court bullshit is not out of the question. Boys and girls, welcome to Civil War III (the second one was the civil rights movement of the 50’s and 60’s).
October 31st, 2005 at 11:34 amhmmm yeah i do think its out of the question…..
October 31st, 2005 at 11:36 amYou people are nuts. No wonder the majority of the country thinks you are wackos…you are.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:40 amWow, i almost want Harriet Miers back since we now have this chump to deal with…
October 31st, 2005 at 11:40 amTabby writes: “Please get your ass to a recruiting office and sign up today. They need people like you in Iraq desperately.”
Actually, unlike most posters here, college and military service was many years ago. Already served, but I’d guess ol’ Tabby hasn’t (unlike Tabby, I respect people’s right to choose when it comes to military service). Speaking of right to choose…
“Hurry along now, pro life murderer.” (says Tabby)
Remarkable how the left thinks. It appears there is considerable merit to the studies that show leftist/relativists as having degrees of mental disorder. I’m quite supportive of the right for a woman to choose (and be responsible for that choice). So tell me, how does one become a hate-filled, delusional, conspiracy-believing, irrational, name-calling left-wing moonbat? Is it from continued life-experience failures, envy over hard-working normal people, or just psychological issues that might need treatment (or perhaps self-medication)?
October 31st, 2005 at 11:45 amYour NEW Pledge: I pledge subservience to the corporations that control the United States of America and to the market that they exploit; one nation, under Mammon, with liberty and justice for the few who have accumulated the wealth to afford it.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:46 amRandy, SS, cowtipper, and all you other conservobots–
Why do you hate America?
P.S. I’m a progressive living in a red state (Florida) and really resent the comments coming from both the right AND the left re: secession. We’re all Americans, we’re all in this together, and a lot of people tend to forget that all of us have the same rights to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,” no matter what our political leanings.
I think especially those on the Right tend to forget that we on the Left are just as American as you are.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:53 amNot only Roe verses Wade what about all our rights .I never throught the weoman judge would be the one she was was being used . And Rove was all smiles when he was not indicted So to me it was business as Usual.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:54 am“What about the RIGHT TO PRIVACY. A couple has a right to decide if and when they want a baby.”
Yes they do – and they will continue to have these same rights with or without Roe v. Wade.
The “right to privacy” meme, of course, is a strawman – by attaching some invented notion of “privacy” to the surgical process of electively vacuuming out a developing human life in pieces from the womb, the left thinks they make abortion a “right” – wholly and completely ridiculous. You more have a right to an abortion than you have a right to ingest illegal drugs or sell your body for sex, both of which can be done in the privacy of one’s own home.
An originalist SCOTUS that respects the principles of judicial restraint would NEVER have legislated a right to an abortion in the manner in which Roe v. Wade became the law of the land. Abortion is a matter for states to decide. If and until the proborts manage to get a Constitutional amendment passed, you get to do nothing but cry about it.
October 31st, 2005 at 12:04 pmThere are many people who are honest enough to admit (or is it that they’re too smart to deny?) that Roe v. Wade is, purely from a Constitutional Law standpoint, a horrendoulsy poor decision that is predicated PURELY on reaching the desired outcome and NOT on Constitutional Law. I am NOT a religious zealot and have no religious objections to abortion, but I do have a problem with the Court transforming issues that have always been regulated by the States into Constitutional law. There is no right to privacy in the Constitution; it is non-existent. Thus anything based upon this invented right is flawed. While I would LOVE to amend the Constitution to include an explicit right to privacy, if that is not politically possible, then, under our system of government, the states decide such issues, not the Supreme Court, no matter how desirable or advisable the result they reach. The “system” is more important than any single issue, even ones that go to personal autonomy and what should be, private sexual conduct.
October 31st, 2005 at 12:07 pmMichelle, it’s not that they forget, they just don’t care what you think. The radical right is in a tunnel vision mode. They don’t care about their neighbor or other people’s children. They are focused only on themselves and believe that is fine. They don’t see America as a unit but as factions – like a corporation, where one can take over another with might. Good will win out and KARMA reigns supreme. The radical right is not a happy people and are always very mad, either with others or their own party, which they feel they have bought and paid for.
Such as it is, we will eventually, have more Ben Franklins and Thomas Jeffersons to stand up once again. What goes up will, alas, come down. We the people just need to think our people as a whole and what everyone wants – not just the radical percentage.
October 31st, 2005 at 12:07 pm“Why do you hate America?”
Michelle, why do you think leaning towards the Constitutional principles espoused by the framers of the Constitution and founders of the country is “hating America?” Why do you think anyone who disagrees with you “hates” America? In your “America” do you allow only those who follow you in lock-step, like good little lemmings to speak?
October 31st, 2005 at 12:09 pmI just called Senator Chafee’s office about Doe v Groody. The staffer sounded horrified.
October 31st, 2005 at 12:12 pmWell, Meirs was obviously just a smoke screen to put this Nazi in the court. Rove must be working overtime these days, instead of being in prison.
October 31st, 2005 at 12:14 pmMike,
I’m not particularly religious either, but AMEN….for decades now, we the people have watched 9 unelected black robes usurp the power elected by the people to the state legislatures in this country, substituting their own whacko social views in its place.
I frankly don’t give two smelly turds about the ancillary “when does a fetus become a human” issues – most of those arguments are strawmen anyway. We can have those debates AFTER rights have been restored to the states by SCOTUS. Until then, I oppose Roe for precisely the same reason you do – it was decided in a manner wholly and completely opposed to the principles of judicial restraint and the original intent of the Constitution.
October 31st, 2005 at 12:15 pmThink Progress Has Info on Alito
This is some scary stuff. Alito is already being hailed as both a nice guy and a conservative judicial activist. If he and Scalia are on the Supreme Court together, they can “good-cop, bad-cop” the other justices until they turn back the…
October 31st, 2005 at 12:15 pm[...] Looks like the fundie mouthbreathers are getting their nominee after all. If the Dems don’t filibuster this caveman, they may as well just start lining up against the wall now for when the American Taliban’s revolution comes. At the very least, they need to start polishing their Vichy badges up. [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 12:17 pmSS, that is merely YOUR opinion. You seem to have a problem discerning opinion from fact. Just because you believe the Constitution says one thing, others disagree with you. You aren’t spouting fact, just opining. Remember, Thomas Jefferson said otherwise.
October 31st, 2005 at 12:18 pmThat has to be one the largest pieces of hype I’ve read in quite some time. Obviously you are banking on the fact that most people will not take the time to read the actual court cases. Just as one example your claim that Alito supports the “unauthorized” strip searches of ten year old girls is bs. The case centered around the discussion of whether the search warrant was accurate or not. It has nothing to do with a child being involved. This type of hysterical hype only serves to destroy any credible concerns about Alito.
October 31st, 2005 at 12:18 pmFor all the grandmothers and the “split the country” folks-buck up & be strong for us! I am a Red State (Montana) liberal, and we are slowly making progress. We are becoming a ‘purple’ state, and I suspect many other reds are as well. In ‘04, we put a democrat in the state house and voted in a liberal judge to the state Supreme Court-BUT-we voted for Bush 65/35. We voted in medical mariajuana and against a few really hideous pro-mining propositions-BUT-voted for an anti-gay marriage amendment. We’re really trying out here in the red states, and we just couldn’t go on if the rest of you abandoned us! It is true that it is discouraging to see people voting so consistently against their interests (it is so frustrating that you usually see the most violently right wing bumper stickers on the oldest, most beat up cars), but for years in my state the repubs have been hiding their real agendas behind social issues (Al Gore is coming to take your guns!!) but people are starting to see through that. And the repub leadership is being sooo helpful with their blatant corruption, cronyism, etc. Heating bills are going up here in the Heartland, energy assistance is going down, and more and more of our young people are going to Iraq and not coming back. People are starting to open their eyes, and those of us here on the red state front lines need your moral support!
October 31st, 2005 at 12:21 pmss and other right wing hypocrtes.
October 31st, 2005 at 12:25 pmrespond or are you cowards?
Are you willing to forgo current tax cuts to pay for the
care and feeding of all the unwanted babies that would come from reversal of roe v wade?
Are you willing to forgo current tax cuts to pay for the
incarceration of all the unwanted babies that will turn to crime?
What about the mental health care of the mothers and babies born of rape or incest?
Or care and feeding of babies born with defects from
uncaring or bad mothers?
Why do you ignore the sermon on the mount? Do you not see yourself as the pharasies of old?
Do you or do you not believe in state rights?
If alchohol is legal and proven to be far more damaging than marijuana, why do you on the right
fight the legalization of thc to the point of denying it to dying people?
Do you have any empathy or compassion or are you just
greedy and self centered?
Do you really think that fascism is best for this country? Corperations rule?
[...] Thinkprogress gives a rundown of Alito’s vision of the country in Samuel Alito’s America. [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 12:27 pmWhat this country needs is a constitutional amendment to protect privacy. This would take care of ROE, the Patriot act and other government intrusions into private behavior.
“Neither congress nor any state, agency, commercial entity, or private person shall enact any law or regulation, or impose any rule or policy, that impinges, abridges, lessens or eliminates an individual’s Right to privacy except where the welfare of a child or incompetent person is at stake.
“Additionally neither Congress, nor any state, agency, commercial entity, nor private person shall collect or disclose to any other party, including any federal, state, or local Government agency or entity, information about a private person beyond what is needed for the purpose intended.
“Any entity or private person collecting private information may be required to justify the need to collect any information to any person or group of persons in an appropriate United States or state court of jurisdiction.
“Congress shall have the power to impose criminal and civil penalties for unjustified collection or disclosure of private information.”
October 31st, 2005 at 12:30 pmIt’s … Scalito!!!
If folks thought President Bush could not do any worse than Harriet Miers, the White House worked heavily to prove that notion wrong this morning. As most of you know, President Bush announced today that he is nominating Samuel Alito as a Justice on th…
October 31st, 2005 at 12:33 pm[...] In 1997, Alito dissented in a ruling, voting against a woman who was discriminated against on the basis of race. If his views had stood, employers could have discriminated on the basis of race. Not only that, but Alito also believes in expanding police powers to conduct unauthorized strip searches. Source [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 12:36 pmBUSH = EVIL
SILENCE = DEATH
If this sack of fetid shit gets confirmed then we are all f*cked for life. The sheeple won’t start regretting it until they personally hear the click, click of the cattle cars coming to pick them up.
October 31st, 2005 at 12:37 pmSceptimus–by your logic, we’d still be living in 1789, when slavery and indentured servitude were still the nationwide norm.
Read Rich’s quoting of the Constitution for them apples:
“Neither congress nor any state, agency, commercial entity, or private person shall enact any law or regulation, or impose any rule or policy, that impinges, abridges, lessens or eliminates an individual’s Right to privacy except where the welfare of a child or incompetent person is at stake.
“Additionally neither Congress, nor any state, agency, commercial entity, nor private person shall collect or disclose to any other party, including any federal, state, or local Government agency or entity, information about a private person beyond what is needed for the purpose intended.
“Any entity or private person collecting private information may be required to justify the need to collect any information to any person or group of persons in an appropriate United States or state court of jurisdiction.
“Congress shall have the power to impose criminal and civil penalties for unjustified collection or disclosure of private information.â€
Dino and bartmooby you rule! Also, “blue secessionists”–please don’t leave us Blues in the Red States (I’m from FL) behind! Not all of us can afford to move! :(
October 31st, 2005 at 12:38 pmHahaha Snuffy Smith…you think The Chimp is going to go any higher?
You can only squeeze so much blood out of a Red State Turnip. You
think Bush can get 120% support from his “base”? Hahahaha. Soccer
Mom’s are leaving you crypto-fascists slowly but surely. And when
they get wind of Alito’s “gotta tell your batterer you’re getting an
abortion, but it don’t matter anyway cuz they’re now ILLEGAL” crap,
they’ll desert the GOP in droves. And Red Stater dopes are finally
waking up to the impacts of Bankruptsy Bills For MBNA, soaring
healthcare costs, outsourcing, etc. The GOP is SCREWING the average
person and their ignorance will only carry the GOP for so long before
they notice the screwing.
Let’s wait for the next election, shall we? Look at Santorum. VP material
in 2004, 17 points behind today. Why? Cuz he’s a conservative asshole
and Keystoners are waking up to his extremism.
Oh, and Godwin’s Law? Are you retarded? The GOP *is* Fascist. Read a
damn history book. Definition of fascism:
Exalts the nation and party above the individual, with the state apparatus
being supreme? Check (eliminationist rhetoric, Patriot Act. Forgiving GOP
for doing ANYTHING. Party above Principle).
Stresses loyalty to a single leader, and submission to a single nationalistic culture? Check (hail Bush, “with us or against us”, “better watch what you say”,
“Support Our Troops” (as long as *we* don’t have to go!), etc).
Engages in economic totalitarianism through the creation of a Corporatist State, where the divergent economic and social interests of different races and classes are combined with the interests of the State. Check (*everything* the GOP does
and stands for puts the economic interests of Corporations above individuals
and the common good. They EXHULT in it!).
Fascism is NOT Nazism. You love that the score is currently in your favor,
October 31st, 2005 at 12:45 pmbut the ‘game’ ain’t over yet and the momentum is ours. If anything, Alito
will quicken your downfall. Christ, if my aunt the 50 yr GOP voter thinks
he’s extreme, you’re toast.
#201 “Yeah, wait till she’s knocked up, doesn’t want her baby and she HAS to have it because abortions are illegal. Oh yes, they are going to get a big swift kick in their asses all too soon.”
I agree Tabby, but it won’t her that needs the abortion, because she’s obviously better than everybody else and is too young to understand how it was for women before Roe. It will take friends or relatives dying in the back alley again before these young girls start waking up. They may be anti now, but it’s a cycle that each generation is going to have to go through I guess before they start understanding the real consequences.
October 31st, 2005 at 12:52 pmAlito on abortion, searches
Already, this Alito confirmation debate is shaping up to be exceedingly dishonest and hysterical. Remember this post when you encounter the fothcoming “Samuel Alito’s America” onslaught.
October 31st, 2005 at 12:54 pmLet Alito be the next SC justice. You can only get a real hard “snap back” when the right misjudges the people and goes too far. Can’t wait!
October 31st, 2005 at 12:55 pmThat I amendment is not part of the US Constitution, I needs to be though.
October 31st, 2005 at 12:58 pm#241 SS You are not a woman and have no right to decide on what she should do about this baby. What a couple does in their bedroom is none of your business. You are totally wrong your opinion does not count at all.
October 31st, 2005 at 12:59 pm“Sceptimus–by your logic, we’d still be living in 1789, when slavery and indentured servitude were still the nationwide norm.”
How would that be possible, Michelle, when the people ratified the 13th amendment to the Constitution outlawing slavery? See, the problem with your side is you simply don’t THINK. You simply repeat whatever talking points have been handed you by the DNC, Michael Moore, Al Franken and the Hollywood left, and you’re off and running like dutiful moonbats. No, Michelle, there would be no slaverly, no indentured servitude – none of it. What there *would* be is originalist interpretations of law by the judiciary, an adherence to the principles of judical restraint, and a truly co-equal branches of government, rather than competing branches of government.
With an orignalist SCOTUS, there is at least a possibility of a return to sanity in the judicial branch of government.
October 31st, 2005 at 12:59 pm[...] From the Progress Report, we get a little snippet of what this might mean: [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 1:02 pmOk, several things…
First. Roe v. Wade is not up for grabs yet. This nomination will not overturn it and cannot. O’Connor was not the decisive vote in Planned Parenthood v. Casey (which adopted the majority of the Third Circuit’s rationale ironically, not Alito’s) which is the last big abortion as a right case. FIve Justices, Souter, Kennedy, Stevens, Ginsburg, and Breyer, will vote in favor of keeping abortion legal while four will likely not (Scalia, Thomas, Alito if approved, perhaps Roberts although who knows with that guy). ABORTION IS NOT ON THE TABLE. THe Republicans, though evil, are not stupid (yes, their electorate is largely less intelligent obviously, but their leadership hardly is outside of Bush himself) and will not take away the only thing keeping many of their legislators in office.
Second, Alito, being a strict constructionist, should be filibustered. Why they approved Scalia, I’ll never know, but he should have been filibustered as well, or defeated by the Democrats. Originalism and textualism, two related theories of constitutional interpretation, are not valid. They simply are not valid. To go through the things you see these people saying a government can do, well, its simply ridiculous. For instance, they would have to strike down any laws regarding an air force (constitution only explicitly provides for control over land and sea forces), treat women and blacks as property, and generally make up things that the founders supposedly thought in order to legislate from the bench. See “Avoiding Absurdity,” an article by Professor Staszewski, in the upcoming Indiana Law Journal issues for a more in-depth look at why textualist interpretations are merely masks for policy-making.
Third, there is absolutely a right to privacy in the constitution, and no reasonable person could say differently. Fourth Amendment anyone? And please, please, someone tell me how forcing a woman to carry a baby to term is not a seizure? Decide the abortion question on those grounds, and you’ve got a rock-solid foundation. (In fact, this rationale, if memory does not fail me, was used by either Stevens or Blackmun in Planned Parenthood v. Casey in their separate concurrences).
October 31st, 2005 at 1:03 pm#
Since the “blue†states have all the universities, key industries, and money, secession would mean that the “red†states would instantly become the third world country they really are. California and New England alone control 90% of the shipping ports. We can join a common currency with Canada and leave them with the bankrupt US Treasury.
Comment by Anad — October 31, 2005 @ 7:54 am
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Unfortunately, the “red” states have all the military bases, so we’d be pretty screwed unless we can shit a brand new Army on a moment’s notice.
October 31st, 2005 at 1:07 pmI’M MAD AS HELL… AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!
Don’cha wish?
October 31st, 2005 at 1:08 pmBugby, do you have to wear goggles to keep the spit from splashing up in your eyes as you type? Or did you get a rubber keyboard? Either way, you’re still blind, obviously, to the fact that every imagined evil you just foisted upon the GOP is, in fact, embraced by your own party. Typically moreso during election cycles, as we shall soon see when Hillary transforms herself and becomes a pro-military hawk in order to prove she’s capable of defending America if necessary. Corporatism? You don’t think the DNC has its pockets lined by corporate money, you are completely insane. Nationalism? Your since-vanquished DNC leader/hero Tom Daschle said that he and his party stood with the president “shoulder to shoulder” after 9/11, and they voted for damn near everything he asked, INCLUDING the maligned Patriot act, which acts to this day to protect your miserable waste of a life whether you want it to or not.
And you can dispense with lecturing me about what constitutes “fascism” because you yourself have absolutely no clue about what it really is. If you did you’d know the GOP is the ANTITHESIS to genuine fascism, nutcase – the GOP advocates DECENTRALIZING the government, with more power to the states. The GOP advocates LESS government control of the economy. And hysterical conspiracy theories notwithstanding, there have been free elections held for our nation’s president since 1789.
So sorry to burst your spit bubble, but you need to take your own advice – read a damn history book.
October 31st, 2005 at 1:13 pmOne of the ways that regressives have been able to rally their troops is by invoking the siege mentality – ‘we are under attack by (insert appropriate bogeyman here). We must show our resolve, and never let up until we have won.’ They maintain that they are under attack, even when they hold all three branches of government, as well as Wall Street. It’s an effective way to keep everyone in line, but it requires that you never actually win. If you get what you want, people have a tendency to celebrate, call it a day, and head home.
If the regressives manage to overturn Roe v. Wade, as well as eliminate the New Deal, many of their supporters will consider the culture war to be over. As far as they are concerned, they will have won, and it will be time to move on to something else. Some, of course, will want to continue, arguing that the work isn’t done, but, inevitably, the movement will splinter. And, inevitably, the other side, having rallied the troops by saying ‘we are under attack…’, will mobilize its supporters… and the pendulum will swing once again.
If the White House gives the regressive movement everything it wants, but organizes and mobilizes the opposition in the process, it puts its own power at risk. It must maintain, a la Orwell, a state of perpetual warfare (or a perception thereof). It must never fully succeed in achieving its goals. Otherwise, people would give up the fight or decide to start pushing different agendas. Long story short, if Roe v. Wade is overturned, the GOP risks losing power for a long time, as independents and Republican-leaners start voting Democratic in reaction to a party they see as too extreme, and in numbers sufficient to overcome the best GOP voter-mobilization efforts.
October 31st, 2005 at 1:16 pm“SS You are not a woman and have no right to decide on what she should do about this baby.”
Mary, if it comes up for a vote in a state-wide election LIKE IT SHOULD, I certainly do have a right and a say in whether a developing human life should be flushed down a toilet in pieces, or allowed to live.
And you can damn well bet I *will* vote. Try not to cry.
October 31st, 2005 at 1:17 pm“One of the ways that regressives…”
Regressives….I like that. I certainly do advocate regression – BACK to judicial sanity, restraint, and adherence to what used to be accepted principles of interpretation of law by judges. If the current state of knee-jerk, reactionary activist legislation from the bench by judges is the hallmark of “progressives,” then I am not only happy but proud to be a regressive to my dying breath.
October 31st, 2005 at 1:22 pmre: #175:
Which Dems torpedoed Miers? Miers was torpedoed by the RIGHT, for daring tospeak at a women’s rights group in 1993 and stating that Abortion just might be a woman’s own decicion to make!
The Dems just stood back and let the Right Wing destroy Meirs.
Alito is what the radical right in charge *Wants*
Dems will oppose Alito, of course.
October 31st, 2005 at 1:22 pmWe did not have a free election in 2000 nad 2004. Old Bushie stole both elections. The REPUBLICANS are such liars and so corrupt it is not funny. The Dems will take over in 2006 and 2008. Russ Feingold will be our next President and you can cry in your beer.
October 31st, 2005 at 1:24 pmSceptimus (sounds a bit like sceptic to me) – go and read the latest GAO report on the 2004 “election” if you want to make moronic statements about “conspiracy theories”.
You clearly know nothing about fascism if you think it is a matter of states rights.
The GOP doctrine of “conservatism” – i.e. limited government – is based on the Nietschean formulation of the state as the coldest of monsters. Bush and his corporate gangster friends are absoultely fascist in every sense, conscious or otherwise.
Universal fascism is the notion that the nation state must die, and that is ALL nation states. Go and read up on some of your friends in the PNAC neocon arm of the Republican party – starting with Michael Ledeen.
October 31st, 2005 at 1:29 pmMr Smith,
So you’re saying that it’s ok for conservative judges to be activists, and interpret the law as you and other neo cons see it; as long as it reflects your belief system. So what’s the difference??
I love how the neo-cons use the term “activist judges” to describe the judiciary. Who the hell are they kidding? After all, all their appointments have been non-partisan, no opinion on any issue ever, and just loves the constitution, right?
I know it’s the same on both sides, but I don’t understand why it’s either left or right. Why can’t we just have a fair, qualified individual somewhere in the middle who will uphold the law and interpret the constitution with no axes to grind? That’s just too much to ask I guess.
October 31st, 2005 at 1:31 pmIt looks like America really is AmeriKKKa. Are we in the 1800s still?
October 31st, 2005 at 1:35 pmThe notion of “judicial restraint” is akin to the nominalistic interpretation of historical documents, legal or spiritual, as “mere text”.
The only reason Republicans support this idea is because they currently enjoy majority control of congress and can the legislate federal law however they see fit.
If the shoe was on the other foot, we would soon see how quickly they would reverse their opinion on the role of Judicial philosophy in the system of checks and balances.
October 31st, 2005 at 1:35 pmSS you have no right on telling me what I should do with my body. If I wanted to have an Abortion I would have it and you could not do anything about it. Get a life you dumb idiot. Are all the RIGHT WING RELIGIOUS NUTS going to adopt these babies that are not wanted?
October 31st, 2005 at 1:43 pmDid I miss something? I thought Bush won the last election and the Constitution allows him to nominate who he wants.
Not too much comment on Alito’s background. Could it be because he is eminently qualified?
By the way, keep up your whining. It suits your ilk well.
Can’t wait for the next liberal to retire from the Bench!!!!
October 31st, 2005 at 1:44 pm[...] http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/31/samuel-alitos-america/ [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 1:46 pm#253
October 31st, 2005 at 1:46 pmright wing nuts, they be cowards. just crickets chirping regarding your pointed questions.
a-holes all of them
[...] Halitosis was running late for his Klan meeting when he decided to go ahead and disagree with the other judges that decided in favor of a Marriott Hotel manager who said she had been discriminated against on the basis of race: The majority explained that Alito would have protected racist employers by “immuniz[ing] an employer from the reach of Title VII if the employer’s belief that it had selected the ‘best’ candidate was the result of conscious racial bias.†[Bray v. Marriott Hotels, 1997] [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 1:52 pmI hope this guy gets on and the neo-cons go hog wild trashing the country. That is the only thing that will wake people up. I hope women lose the right to control their reproductive destiny. Then maybe all those stupid soccer moms who voted for Bush will wake up. I hope the corporations turn most American citizens into the lowly serfs that Americans deserve to be. Maybe then they will rise up and look for real justice. It has to get worse before it will get better. Americans have not yet suffered enough. It stinks that the idiots are dragging us down with them, but that’s the way it is. So pucker up and get ready for the party folks. Yippee.
October 31st, 2005 at 1:55 pmYes, blanket characterizations of those with different views as “cowards” and “a-holes” really does move the debate along. I am sure that many “right wing nuts” are, indeed, cowards and a-holes, as are many on the far left. So what? Debate the ideas, not the personal characteristics of the opponent.
Bravo to duhgomustend, your mother must be so proud of you, not to mention your teachers for instilling such a respect for critical analysis. You must have gone to a government school.
October 31st, 2005 at 1:58 pmHeard a great joke on the radio this morning!
Q: How is a bad lover and the Bush Administration alike?
A: They have to lie to get in and then don’t know what to do when they get there.
Ha!
October 31st, 2005 at 2:07 pmWe need to protect our Children and Grandchildren from these RIGHT WING RELIGIOUS NUTS. Our Children deserve better than this man on the Supreme Court.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:09 pm[...] >> Here’s What You Can Expect >> Time For Cheney to Come Clean >> Samuel Alito’s America >> And people need to shut up with the “Democrats need to be careful” talk. Enough of the “advice”. [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 2:11 pmYou, friends, are missing the whole point. Bush is a second term president with a Republican congress. He doesn’t care if his support is below 30%. There is, and never will be, a threat to impeach him.
And yeah, if the Supreme Court overturns Roe there will be a backlash, but by then it’ll be too late. Bush is stacking the court with strict constructionist, conservative justices who will sit on the bench for two decades or more. And, to make matters worse, Stevens is 85 and almost certainly won’t make it to the end of Bush’s term.
Put a Priscilla Owens on this court and it’s game over.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:13 pm[...] Now I don’t know if there is a parody blog out there yet about him but a good name for one would be Scalito’s Way. Here’s some information about him from the Progress Report. Sounds like a heck of a judge. [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 2:21 pm… There are GOP talky-heads ( on CNN , a ” former colleague ” of Scare-Alitos ) already yelping ” No skeletons in Scare-Alitos closet ! ” ! Hmmmm , I wouldn’t be too sure on that , fellas – remember the fellow the GOP picked to head their group , and THEN they ‘ found out ‘ he was wife-swappin’ , nekkid picture-postin’ , sex-ad placin’ ” Swinger Man ” ?!? Nope , NO skeletons in the neoconnies closets ( What’s that ? Over there , scurrying around in the dark ? Ewwww , a great BIG neocon troll – Smack it ! )Happy Halloween – Trick a neocon , it’s a TREAT !!! … ;)
October 31st, 2005 at 2:24 pm[...] Daily KOS: Samuel Alito is a MORAL DEGENERATE who strip searches little girls. Daily KOS: Scalito opposes basic family values. CBS Reporter: Is Alito sloppy seconds? Harry Reid: Alito is ‘too radical’. Think Progress: Alito would allow race-based discrimination. Attytood: Samuel Alito is a draft dodger. Chuck Schumer: Judge Samuel Alito is a divider not a uniter. Rude Pundit: Samuel Alito, Another Motherfucker For America. [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 2:25 pmHey Snuffy, I gots no “PARTY” because I’ve ALWAYS been registered
“Independent”. I don’t believe I owe allegiance to a party above my
country. I think some guys like Washington and Jefferson felt the
same way (guess you can say I’m a strict constructionist).
You really need to read what I wrote instead of reading between the
lines to prop up your fantasies. Did I *say* the Dems weren’t beholden
to Corporations? Does whether they are or are not negate my point
that the GOP embraces Corporations above all else?
WHICH PARTY has EXPANDED Government more in the last 5 years
than all other governments in US History? Limited Government my
ass. Or do you think the GOP will “start” limiting Government once
they’ve destroyed the current one? The GOP hasn’t been for
limited government since the 1930’s. What they want now is
“as huge and useless a government as possible as long as me
and all my friends prosper”.
Yeah, I’m just sooooo “protected” by the Patriot Act. You could tell
me how losing my 4th, 5th and 6th Amendment rights for no discernable
benefit “protects” me but then you’d have to kill me, right? Hahahaha.
Chump. Whacha gonna do when they come for you? I live my life every
day in NO FEAR of Terrorists. Maybe it’s because I’m not as paranoid
and hateful as you seem to be. Guess maybe *I’M* the one for “limited
government”, ie. “I don’t trust Bush and Cheney OR Hillary worth a SHIT
with the powers they’ve been given by chumps, Dem and Rep alike in the
wake of 9/11 paranoia. Perhaps you can envision a world where Hillary
has these powers, but then, dope that you are, you’ll suddenly realize
how bad they are and have an aneurysm. Me, I don’t like EITHER side
having these powers.
All we get from you jackoffs is that we’re “whining”. You just can’t
October 31st, 2005 at 2:27 pmwrap your brain around the concept that government is supposed
to be a CONSENSUS, that 100% of the people are supposed to be
listened to. It’s not supposed to be “we won with 51% so we get to
do everything we want”. If you keep thinking/acting on those terms,
you’re going to be very unhappy when the pendulum inevitably
shifts. Not to worry though; progressives won’t be as big a bunch of
bullyboy assholes as you and will try to reach consensus. You know,
like when Clinton nominated centrist, qualified jurists, cabinet members,
etc and not ideological whackjobs like the GOP *always* does. And
we’ll fix your mistakes for free too because we believe in an America
of, by and for “The People” and not some antediluvian world where the
biggest dick swinger “wins” and everyone else suffers.
Our country has just taken on step forward. It is about time a male is picked as a replacement for a woman in a high-level govermental position. I thought that’s what we were getting when our president picked John Roberts to fill Sandra Day O’Connor’s seat, but that elation was shortlived when Roberts filled Rehnquist’s position and Bush nominated a woman for O’Connor’s seat. Anyway, Thank you, George W., for redeeming yourself and for not prostrating yourself in front of the affirmative action-quota goddess. W., you chose a supreme court nominee based on ability, not gender, and, for that, I am forever grateful.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:29 pmCivil War! Now!
Scalito’s Way, LOL!
October 31st, 2005 at 2:29 pm[with spelling mistakes corrected] Our country has just taken one step forward. It is about time a male is picked as a replacement for a woman in a high-level governmental position. I thought that’s what we were getting when our president picked John Roberts to fill Sandra Day O’Connor’s seat, but that elation was shortlived when Roberts filled Rehnquist’s position and Bush nominated a woman for O’Connor’s seat. Anyway, Thank you, George W., for redeeming yourself and for not prostrating yourself in front of the affirmative action-quota goddess. W., you chose a supreme court nominee based on ability, not gender, and, for that, I am forever grateful.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:31 pmawesome post bigby!
October 31st, 2005 at 2:31 pmNow here’s the funny part – Roe V. Wade was argued and passed primarily as a right to privacy issue as such that the federal government did not have the right to intervene in a doctor’s medical decision. Last I heard, this is in line with what the Republican platform is supposed to be.
The saddest part is not the nature of the court nominee, but it does truly prove that decisions are being made by extremists representing a vocal minority that are the real puppeteers of the current administration. It’s the right-wing equivalent of having PETA run the show. *shudder*
October 31st, 2005 at 2:31 pmIt is just this kind of dishonest summarization of complex facts that will undermine our democracy. You should be ashamed of yourself for taking a case regarding the required allegations to survive summary judgment in a pre-text discrimination case and simplifying the analysis to: “ALITO WOULD ALLOW RACE-BASED DISCRIMINATION”.
How can you sleep at night when you are this intellectually dishonest? Perhaps you sleep fine as this is merely a result of a subaverage IQ.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:32 pmlet the bastard serve. overturn roe v wade and watch the GOP become the confederacy 1862
October 31st, 2005 at 2:36 pm[...] Progress for the information on Samuel Alito’s rulings) Posted by Cranky Liberal @ 4:38 pm « Previous: Vacation | Home |» [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 2:36 pmJust remember, you can love America and hate Bush. I am living proof of that. Wasn’t it a former president who said… The most patriotic thing someone can do in a time of war is question the leadership in ones country?
October 31st, 2005 at 2:38 pmIt is now time for war! Civil war in America.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:43 pmIf we had a Civil war Old Bushie would inforce Martial Law.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:45 pmRe: Posts #273 & #293 : WHAT is in your NASTY kool-aid , fellas ? #273 – Your version of ‘ justice ‘ is the SAME that Mississippi had in the 1960s ! Way to go ! And as for #293 : You’re unbalanced ( and perhaps a wee bit misogynistic , mmmm ? ) – end of story . Too much reading of the TRUTH leads freepers to hallucinations , but they like you there , so have a pleasant trip home ! Tell your neocon ayatollah the liberals said ” Happy Halloween ! ” ! … ;)
October 31st, 2005 at 2:47 pmAverage — gotta agree. Second Civil War – here we come. While our current administration is waving the American flag and supposedly spreading democracy around the world, our losers — excuse me, “leaders” –fail to remember that the U.S. is less than 250 years old. This country is still an experiment that can fail…
October 31st, 2005 at 2:48 pmHi mom!
October 31st, 2005 at 2:49 pmJesus christ! These religious nut jobs don’t fall far from the tree! Overturn the Family Medical Leave act? You would have to be some phenominal dumbass to press this issue…
October 31st, 2005 at 2:50 pm… Quick , everybody – Flip your televisions to CNN ! The reporters are b**** slappin’ Scotty LIVE , all ovah the press room ! TOO much fun , watchin’ him stutter and whine !!! … ;)
October 31st, 2005 at 2:51 pmGive em their nutjobs. What goes around comes around. Let them overrule Roe. It’s exactly what’s needed to wake up the middle 2/3 of the country. The Dobsonites can have their day in the sun. But karma is a b*tch.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:54 pmagree with all you folks. one, red staters are morons. plain and simple. at least we all can see what a nation of bible thumping rednecks will look like. maybe we will wake up and never give them another chance. wipe out the cancer. yes we blue staters should join canada with a common currency and let the red staters have their george washington, their stars and stripes, and 10 trillion in debt. those stupid bastards would take the debt as long as they get to say one nation under god in schools. notice i don’t say public schools.what a bunch of morons. ever try to talk facts with a bible thumping bushie? it all gets steered back to “gays and abortion gays and abortion”. i am not kidding. what a bunch of morons. i had to suffer living in oklahoma city for 15 months. stupidest people i ever knew. i mean the IQ of golden retrievers. this is your america now. hey everyone, be happy that in his 8 years old george will send the rep. party back to the pre-reagan stone age. it is not chic to be a republican anymore. it is a sign that you are a mental defect.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:02 pmAi! Sc-alito!
So, it’s official. Bush has nominated someone who is in the mold of Scalia and Thomas. The blogosphere is buzzing. Some juicy tidbits: Joshua Holland of Alternet thinks it’s gonna get ugly (I agree.) Alliance for Justice has a preliminary response (m…
October 31st, 2005 at 3:08 pmBush has no credibility….
October 31st, 2005 at 3:08 pmButtby,
Sweet festering jeebus, you have come unhinged, haven’t you? Here, allow me to do what your public school teachers didn’t – educate you. First, if you are in fact a registered independent, that’s not something to be proud of. If you look around our country and the world, and you still remain a registered “indpendent,” then I can only conclude you don’t an intellect developed enough to allow you to determine what ideology bests represents you. In other words, you’re still stuck on stupid.
Secondly, you’ll note that nowhere do I say or even claim that the Bush administration has lived up to core conservative principles on every issue. I am disappointed, to say the least, at our lack of a sane illegal immigration policy. I am pissed that Bush didn’t immediately dismantle the department of Education and other useless teat-suckling government monstrosities that serve no public good. But you can dispense with your phony claims to care about these things, because YOUR side’s complaint is that that government isn’t big enough. YOUR side complains that welfare programs aren’t large enough. YOUR side complains that taxes aren’t high enough. YOUR side complains that government doesn’t exert enough control over business. So you need to try to peddle your bullsh*t wholesale, because no one’s buying it retail.
Lastly, 100% of the people who voted WERE listened to, Buttboy, last November – everyone got an equal chance to vote (no hysterical conspiracy theories allowed, sorry)for who they wanted for president. Your side LOST. Now, when your side WON in 1992 and in 1996, I was grumpy about it, to be sure, but I certainly did not expect nor was I surprised when Clinton pandered to his left-of-center base, raised taxes, appointed liberals to SCOTUS, etc, etc. My side won in 2000 and 2004, and while I certainly am not opposed to Republicans in general and the president in particular listening to the opposition, they are under NO compulsion to act on anything other than the agenda that got them elected. Period, end of story. Don’t like it? You have two choices – cry, or get your side elected.
No charge for the education.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:08 pmSS you were served by bigby.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:13 pmOne can register independent, I am against paid whores of either party. You SS are an arrogant selfish sonofbitch and will surely burn in hell a-hole.
SS: “What there *would* be is originalist interpretations of law by the judiciary, an adherence to the principles of judical restraint, and truly co-equal branches of government, rather than competing branches of government.”
Co-equal branches of government? Like the severe imbalance of powers we have in Bush’s Washington? What kind of pot are you smoking because I want some! I don’t think the current government situation where we all capitulate to one political party is what the Founding Fathers had in mind! In fact, one-party rule is the VERY definition of Communism (can we call you righties “commies” now?)
Bigby got it right when he said:
“You just can’t wrap your brain around the concept that government is supposed to be a CONSENSUS, that 100% of the people are supposed to be listened to. It’s not supposed to be “we won with 51% so we get to
do everything we wantâ€. If you keep thinking/acting on those terms, you’re going to be very unhappy when the pendulum inevitably shifts.”
And it will shift.
Do we have permission to call all you guys “conservative whining crybabies” when YOU don’t get what you want from your government?
October 31st, 2005 at 3:13 pmAlito will be confirmed.
Life will go on.
Very little will change in your lives.
You guys need to get back on your meds…
October 31st, 2005 at 3:16 pm[...] None of you, and I mean NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON, knows whether Judge Alito favors strip searching twelve year olds. We do, however, have some evidence that he finds it distasteful. How do we know that? Well, not from the Thinkprogress or dKos talking points (or Senator Feinstein’s notes), but from his actual opinion: [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 3:17 pmnot too mention the inconsistencies that the Diebold machines were proven to have produced. All coincidently favoring Chimp. But SS would rather blow that off – even though the evidence is solid.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:18 pmthe 1% so called advantage can be easily attributed to this alone. Otherwise SS have the balls to call for paper trail and honest elections – do so and I will
bow to the majority. The real majority.
Please tell me that Oregon is part of the blue states. We have alot of redneck hicks, but we’ve been voting democrat for a long time! If not, I want to move to a “blue state”…I’ve got to get out of this madness that is a “so-called christian ruled country”.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:23 pm[...] Well, Prince George got bitch-slapped by the the lunatic fringe that he calls his “base” for Miers. While some could argue that the reason Miers withdrew her nomination was because she was grossly unqualified (which she is), the nomination of Samuel “Scalito” Alito shows just how willing Bush screw mainstream America by bending to the will of the radical religious right. Alito is exactly what the wingnuts have been asking for. If he is confirmed he will rule to overturn Roe V. Wade, the Family Medical Leave Act, and a slew anti-descrimination laws. It’s a chilling list. [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 3:25 pmss You have your nerve to say because you won the election you can have it your way. In the first place you did not win this election fairly. Their was alot of fruad with these diebold machines.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:27 pmThe President is suppose to be for all American not just you Nuts.
Although I agree that most republicans (at least the very right winged ones) are unreasonable in some of their justifications, however using fallies of irrelevance to “argue” isn’t going to get you anywhere. Sitting around complaining about it, although it is nice to vent sometimes, still isn’t going to change anything (and the only reason I can say this is because I’m guilty of it as well). I think the republicans (and I’m just basing this on the republicans I have encountered and the information I’ve read about what the standard republican beliefs of importance to them) either chose to vote republican based on two things. One; their parents were republican so they are as well. Two; they are scared of having someone gay live next to them, or they don’t think abortions should be a woman’s choice, or they think that stem cell research is wrong…I mean..just pick ANY topic. However, once they decide that ONE reason is enough (even if they don’t have a cogent argument as to WHY they believe what they are voting for) they automatically assume that the democrats belief the oppisite than they do so therefore they must be wrong. Consider this; even if the democrats believe the “exact opposite” of what the republicans do (which in a sense is throughly true) that provides NO evidence whatsoever that they are wrong. Using straw man fallacies, or appealing to the person are NOT cogent arguments, in fact they aren’t arguments at all. Bottom line…arm yourself with suffiencent premises for your conclusion and know WHY you believe what you believe. I honestly think that if everyone TRULY took a non-biased look at their core beliefs (unless they like knowing that the rich people aren’t losing money and they don’t care about education, the environment, or advancing medicine/science to help save lives) they would be at LEAST somewhat liberal and left-winged. Of course, I can’t argue religion, because that is outside the box of logic and certainty. Aristotle once said “the opposite of faith is certainty.” How true that is my friends, now more than ever. I hope this has offered some incite and hopefully got your wheels turning…
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Ha ha ha ha ha. I love to read political threads. The hate just exudes. You people need to figure out that you can never change the minds of the far right and the far left. People are set in their ways and will support the lesser of two evils (or dipshyts in the current world) no matter what. To all the haters: Instead or calling people names and insulting them for their opinions, try arguing YOUR case and explaining why you feel you are right. You have a right to be angry if American isn’t heading in the direction you think it is. You also have a right to be annoyed by people complaining if you think America couldn’t be a better place right now. Getting bent and insulting other people who have such a miniscule fraction in the responsibility of that direction is silly.
Now, THINKING people are idiots for what they believe in is a completely different story.
“Peace on Earth” – yeah right!
October 31st, 2005 at 3:30 pmPlease call your Democratic Senators and urge them to fight against Judge Alito with every argument, and every procedural tool, in their arsenal.
Alito is SUCH a hard-core right-wing idiolog, that, even moderate republicans will be shocked, and put off, once they learn how truly reactionary his views are.
I believe the Democrats should threaten to, and be ready to filibuster his nomination.
If the GOP then threatens to employ “the ‘nucular’ option,” Democrats should be ready to WALK OUT OF CONGRESS and refuse to participate in ANY legislation until the rights of the minority are protected.
The religious right has TAKEN OVER THE GOP. They are now spoiling for a fight with the Democratic party to complete their take over of the UNITED STATES.
Well,I say, if they want a fight, lets give it to them. We should be ready to SHUT THE GOVERNMENT DOWN INDEFINITELY.
I think we would ultimately win this fight, because most Americans, and even the moderate wing of the Republican party, will realize that they have more in common with us, than they do with the right-wing nut jobs that have taken over the GOP, but, even if we don’t, as a party, it would be “better to die on your feet than to live on our knees.”
October 31st, 2005 at 3:32 pmI can’t believe that there are still American people who believe and trust anything this Prez and his hunchmen say. This is the downfall of our country.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:35 pmFirst – on the subject of Secession:
1) Last time this was tried, the federales invented and implimented Total War. The Blue States would be free and at peace for about five minutes.
2) The Blue States are about the only remaiing barrier to the yahoos of the Red States. We may owe it to the rest of the planet to stay in the union.
Second – Roe v. Wade
1) Its going down.
2) It will split the Republican Party. Overturning Roe v. Wade will offend the deep sense of entitlement held by the wives and daughters of our masters.
Finally – nothing short of another revolution will turn this situation around. Don’t hold your breath. We missed that opportunity around 1972. The United States is well on the way to Oligarchical Collectivism. (Read up on your Orwell.)
October 31st, 2005 at 3:39 pmSupport Alito and adopt his thought!
October 31st, 2005 at 3:45 pmClick my link and see if you agree with me on this red-state/blue-state nonsense.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:46 pmKrashkopf:
“If the GOP then threatens to employ “the ‘nucular’ option,†Democrats should be ready to WALK OUT OF CONGRESS and refuse to participate in ANY legislation until the rights of the minority are protected.”
Perhaps the Democratic party, from the chambers of Congress, all the way down to every state legislature, should start submitting proposals to amend the Constitution, guaranteeing the right to privacy. If, as the regressives are so fond of repeating, there is no explicit right to privacy in the Constitution, I’m sure they won’t mind putting one in there.
We can choose to sit around and bellyache, or we can choose to act. We must stand together, for if we don’t, we will surely hang separately.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:52 pmEvery time Bush says or does anything I know in my heart of hearts that he is RETARDED!!!!! Personally speaking I would never have an abortion, but overturning Rowe vs. Wade would be economically and socailly wrong. So many conservative Republicans have so many moral and immoral issues/sins they would like to change. But change(lower) the unemployment rate, homeless, and give the elderly gooood healthcare with lower co-payments and free prescriptions. All these politicians make rules designed to OPPRESS the poor, elederly and minorities. Did you ever think about the children that these women will have who are going to take care of them YOUR DUMB ASS!!!. Your taxes will house them, clothe them, feed them and give them free health care so forth and so on……… Not trying to hate on the rich but they could not relate to the struggles that the poor are faced with everyday. Should I take my child to the doctors or pay the electric bill. Buttom line Republicians dont give a fuck about the poor. The Bush administration has clearly stated their opinions about the immoral and sinful views about abortion. However, did any of them comment about the immoral or sinful view upon GREED, they are all guilty of that……..
October 31st, 2005 at 3:53 pmOn the other hand I totally agree that their should be a welfare reform. I am currently interning for the Department of Social Services, soooooo many people have used and abused the system some of these cases date back to 1985, I was four at that time. The program needs to be a source of income for a temporary bases unitl families can get on their feet.
“Co-equal branches of government? Like the severe imbalance of powers we have in Bush’s Washington? What kind of pot are you smoking because I want some! I don’t think the current government situation where we all capitulate to one political party is what the Founding Fathers had in mind! In fact, one-party rule is the VERY definition of Communism (can we call you righties “commies†now?)”
Homegrown, hydroponics – some seriously tasty weed. Come on over, I’ll share. By the way, you can of course call “us” whatever you want, but when the pendulum swings to the other side, typically conservatives don’t whine, they act. They start grass-roots organizations to back candidates and support issues. You know, the way the process is supposed to work? The boots on the ground for Bush in 2004, by the way – they were 99 percent volunteers. Contrast this with Kerry having to pay (bribe?) people to work for his campaign.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but more people in America consider themselves conservative than consider themselves liberal. They’ve heard what the left has tried to peddle, and they just ain’t buying.
October 31st, 2005 at 3:57 pmWe hear the left trumpeting Bush’s lackluster polls of late, but you know what we don’t hear? The approval for congressional democrat leaders is LOWER than the president’s polls…so good luck with trying to unseat those evil white republicans in 2008 – you’re gonna need it.
“Perhaps the Democratic party, from the chambers of Congress, all the way down to every state legislature, should start submitting proposals to amend the Constitution, guaranteeing the right to privacy. If, as the regressives are so fond of repeating, there is no explicit right to privacy in the Constitution, I’m sure they won’t mind putting one in there.”
Infidel, while I’ll bet we don’t agree on much politically, at least you have the intellectual honesty to recognize that there is an established amendment process when the people want to change the Constitution – this is why Roe v. Wade was such a stunning, arrogant usurpation of our individual rights as citizens by unelected judges who used their powers to essentially write a law.
I totally support the idea of such an amendment – the PEOPLE, not unelected judges, should be allowed to debate this issue openly, so that all can make up their minds about whether or not to vote for ratification.
October 31st, 2005 at 4:03 pm[...] Think Progress has a partial listing of the sort of things we can expect if Judge Alito gets his lifetime seat on the Supreme Court: ALITO WOULD OVERTURN ROE V. WADE: In his dissenting opinion in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, Alito concurred with the majority in supporting the restrictive abortion-related measures passed by the Pennsylvania legislature in the late 1980’s. Alito went further, however, saying the majority was wrong to strike down a requirement that women notify their spouses before having an abortion. The Supreme Court later rejected Alito’s view, voting to reaffirm Roe v. Wade. [Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 1991] [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 4:03 pmACLU Concerned Over Alito and Abortion
“This is a pivotal moment in our nation’s history,” said Anthony D. Romero, the ACLU’s Executive Director. “The administration is claiming unprecedented national security powers, reproductive rights are in jeopardy, the t…
October 31st, 2005 at 4:12 pmSaying that Roe v. Wade is about privacy is tantamount to saying that if someone murders someone else, and no one finds out about it, it’s legal. Come on. Think a little, people.
October 31st, 2005 at 4:12 pmStrict constructionists should be OPPOSED to any statute OUTLAWING ABORTION.
Abortion was LEGAL and AVAILABLE at the time the Constitution was drafted.
It wasn’t until 1821 that Connecticut became the first state to outlaw abortion, followed closely by Missouri, Illinois, and New York. One by one, neighboring states began to follow suit, until 1873 when abortion became a federal offense.
October 31st, 2005 at 4:33 pmThe Dems should use Alito’s opposition to the Family Medical Leave Act as proof he hates working class people.
Oh, wait, that would be too liberal for the Dems. They’ll probably roll over on this one, just like they did with Roberts. When’s Lieberman going to praise Alito?
October 31st, 2005 at 4:41 pmThe issue with this nomination is that a strict constructionist’s view of the constitution takes away the rights of individuals. This is an issue far beyond Roe v. Wade. If people understood how 5 Scalia votes would strip us of any rights, they would rise against this nominee. I want a smart judge, but who cares if he’s smart if he rips my rights away. He’s not evil, he simply has a skewed view that shouldn’t be foisted onto American citizens.
October 31st, 2005 at 4:51 pmyikes.. just give the the christian right the south and the midwest (heck, even the rocky mountain states). Split the country into two separate nations:
- One Theocracy with state-imposed christian-based religion
- One Democracy where people are free to choose their religion and beliefs
yay! everyone’s happy, let’s call it a day.
October 31st, 2005 at 4:52 pm[...] Most will look at his opinion to indicate opposition to Roe , and they should. But fundamentally, it was an opinion that was dismissive of women’s independence . [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 5:14 pmThe Opposite Of Miers
Think Progress does neither by trotting out the usual “Alito will overturn Roe, allow race discrimination, be hostile against immigrants …”
October 31st, 2005 at 5:17 pmLeft off the part about pulling legs off spiders and making kids go to school on Saturday.
And why shouldn’t he be hostile to immigrants? The U.S. doesn’t need any more immigrants.
October 31st, 2005 at 5:25 pm[...] The strip-searching of 10-year-old girls aside, it was interesting to see the Bush Administration talk glowingly about their new best friend. [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 5:28 pmHe would be the 5th Catholic. Bush’s base wants a filibuster fight.
October 31st, 2005 at 5:31 pmto all leftys and democrats,you are all welcomed to come live up in the great white north as long as you leave those red neck consevitives behind we as well have know use for them.As well we have real kick ass weed…… peace out
October 31st, 2005 at 5:35 pmWhat? Leave the US so those right wing nut bags have thousands of nuclear bombs to themselves? Forget it. Someone with a brain has to stay around to mind the store.
October 31st, 2005 at 5:42 pmSo I just read through 337 comments, and what I’m wondering is this. Don’t any of you ever get tired of trying to carry on a conversation in simplistic sound bites? I wonder if we could correlate the liklihood of a nominee being confirmed to the relative shrillness of the comments in the left and right blogospheres….
October 31st, 2005 at 5:45 pmDon Surber
They actualy sited some specific and fairly severe lapses in judicial judgement to go along with their statements. Are you saying you side with his decenting opinion in each of those cases?
October 31st, 2005 at 5:45 pmIf not how far off base do you think they are? A little, qute a bit?
The claims made were clearly based in actual decisions. I think its clear that he would overtern Roe. v. wade given the chance and I find the other opinions quite troubling.
All this split the nation red vs. blue states buissness is getting rediculus.
October 31st, 2005 at 5:49 pmThere are a lot of democrats in red states and republicans in red states. Its not going to happen and if it did it would not go the way you seem to think it would.
I like to dream to but I won’t try to pass it off as reality.
[...] Think Progress [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 6:04 pm#332 – AKA, Stop the ACLU,
The ACLU’s (American Civil Liberties Union) sole purpose for being “is to conserve America’s original civic values – the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.”
“The American system of government is founded on two counterbalancing principles: that the majority of the people governs, through democratically elected representatives; and that the power even of a democratic majority must be limited, to ensure individual rights.”
“The mission of the ACLU is to preserve all of these protections and guarantees:
* Your First Amendment rights-freedom of speech, association and assembly. Freedom of the press, and freedom of religion supported by the strict separation of church and state.
* Your right to equal protection under the law – equal treatment regardless of race, sex, religion or national origin.
* Your right to due process – fair treatment by the government whenever the loss of your liberty or property is at stake.
* Your right to privacy – freedom from unwarranted government intrusion into your personal and private affairs.”
Why would you want to stop them?
“Only those who slavishly worship success can think that effectiveness is admirable, without regard to what is affected.” – Bertrand Russell
October 31st, 2005 at 6:06 pmYes people I agree, lets just ask all those people who actually know how government works and how to run a country with nearly 300 million people, to just step down and let the hobo’s take over. Yes thats right just let those people who cant hold a job for more than two weeks and cant take care of their kids dictate how this country should run. If you think things are bad now just wait until the incompetent who complain about the so called “rich and powerful” who want to screw the little guy more than anything else, are running the show, or tather running it out of business. Who says that a world with unlimitited freedoms is best for us, maybe a little bit of self control and morals will get this country back on its feet. And by the way, a husband has the right to tell his wife whether or not she can get an abortion, its called respect people and without it well who needs marriage and laws. why should anyone be able to tell anyone what to do, lets just let the murderers and the thieves run wild because that is their right. Yay for America, get a life and grow up, the world is not about feeding your will, but about leading a good life. God bless America and god bless this administration, (they need all the blessings they can get right now) :-)
October 31st, 2005 at 6:09 pmThe only question you need to ask this guy:
October 31st, 2005 at 6:15 pm“Are you, like Scalia and Thomas, also a member of the secret Catholic Nazi-based sect called “Opus Dei”?
All about freedom but little about responsibility..
Perhaps a new word will help; “Freesponsibilidom” which of course indicates that responsibility is the core requirement of freedom. Bumper-Sticker on the way?
October 31st, 2005 at 6:21 pmSo Koby, what happened to the “keep big government out of our life” guys? Let’s see…laws that tell us what we can and can’t do with our bodies, laws that tell us who we can and can’t marry, etc. This is a regime of contradiction and hypocrisy. The same “pro-life” people who rally behind the life of a fetus will back laws that cut funds for education, social programs and family leave. In other words-the government should step in and defend the unborn. Right. We love kids…until they’re born.
October 31st, 2005 at 6:26 pmkoby,
#352, “a husband has the right to tell his wife whether or not she can get an abortion”
Then, just two lines later you say:
“why should anyone be able to tell anyone what to do?”
A persons set of moral values are their own. They do not have to be yours, and they don’t have to have any at all, if they so wish. You cannot dictate what morals everyone must live by, unless you are a fascist and live in a fascist nation.
Also, you appear to be throwing vast groups of people into one bucket and labeling them. This is called prejudice.
Do you read your posts before you post them?
“Only those who slavishly worship success can think that effectiveness is admirable, without regard to what is affected.” – Bertrand Russell
October 31st, 2005 at 6:38 pmblablabla,
#354, “Freedom isn’t free.”
That’s not true. Freedom is in fact free. It is the governments of the world, led by greed, which make you pay for it.
Freedom IS free.
“States are not moral agents” – Chomsky
October 31st, 2005 at 6:40 pmwell shercs, i must say you sort of have a point. but if we ask the government to interfere with our lives with taxes and aid then we must concede to ask them how we should live our lives. its a trade-off, the more we ask them to help us, the more we give up our own self determintation. so when we tell the government to take care of everything for everyone then how dare we tell them to but out of our lives. this is why libertarians and concervatives are against heavy government spending, not because they hate the poor and the homosexuals and miorities, but because they want to be able to live their lives free from government intervention.
October 31st, 2005 at 6:42 pmblablabla,
That’s it? That’s all you’ve got? I’m disappointed.
October 31st, 2005 at 6:43 pmblablabla,
Okay, then if freedom is not free, what is the price?
October 31st, 2005 at 6:44 pmblablabla,
Avoidance tactics? What for?
I’ll play by your rules, if you want.
If freedom is not free, what is the cost?
October 31st, 2005 at 6:48 pmStand Up America! We are fast becoming a third world country. The Bush Greed Riech must be STOPPED. THINK real hard before supporting expanding their control to the Judiciary. Today you may think its the right thing – tomorrow it will be your job, your rights, your home, your children’s life that will be lost.
October 31st, 2005 at 6:48 pmblablabla,
The price of freedom is death?
What’s the point of being born then?
October 31st, 2005 at 6:49 pmwhoa. I hate to say it, and maybe i’ve been in the classroom too long, but i think we need to chill out for a second. First of all, scalito is not going to just step in and start throwing out precedents; that’s why there are nine justices. Second, most justices tend to move left as they spend time in court.
I am seeing comments fly all over the place about issues totally impertinent to the discussion over Alito (yes, i did him the justice of capitalizing his name; just once, though). I think we’re stooping to the level of the right, and that is worse than declaring yourself republican, in my opinion.
You think in the same words you speak in. Let’s all think a little smarter.
October 31st, 2005 at 6:49 pmblablabla,
Please check 377.
October 31st, 2005 at 6:53 pmEphiphany-
October 31st, 2005 at 6:53 pmyou are the first person on this site to make some sense. Actually thats why i posted in the first place, i was so disgusted with the trite comments coming out of the mouths of those posting that i had to say something.
ps i am republican and proud
Response to 47.
A born again Christian is a person with two belly buttons.
October 31st, 2005 at 6:53 pmSorry, you loose.
Unfortunately, you are assuming that everyone shares your religious views, and of course you are wrong.
I do not believe in your “God,” therefore that argument is trumped by your inability to prove not only whether or not your statement is true, but by your inability to prove his/her (your God’s) very existence.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:03 pmblablabla,
Your scriptures where written by mortal beings, not by any form of god.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:06 pmblablabla,
Let me get this straight. Your argument for your position is that over the last few thousand years some people whom you do not know wrote down on paper what the voices in their heads where telling them, and therefore you must live your life by said voices?
What’s your definition of sanity then?
October 31st, 2005 at 7:11 pmblablabla,
Are you for real?
October 31st, 2005 at 7:13 pmIF YOU WANT A COUNTRY RULED BY RELIGION MOVE TO IRAN!
October 31st, 2005 at 7:14 pmBEWARE! THE FROG IS IN THE BLENDER!
October 31st, 2005 at 7:15 pm#396 blablabla I agree with BUSHSUCKS IF YOU WANT A COUNTRY RULED BY RELIGION MOVE TO IRAN!!!!
October 31st, 2005 at 7:20 pmAll this talk of religion. well none of you really know much about religion or the bible. you see lets start with the basics (im jewish) the torah (”old testament”) was not written by a man who heard things in his head, but if you read the torah you will note how it states that an entire nation (600,000 people)heard G-D say the same thing at the same time. are you going to tell that many people that they heard something they didnt. makes sense that it must be true. now as far as qouting some scripture and not others, the torah does not say do not kill, it says do not murder. murder is the wanton killing of a person, think abortion(debateable whetehr it is considered a soul) or gang warfare. killing however when done according to the law, such as the death penalty or in war (again debatable whether to go to war or not) is allowed. anyways back to point one, the new testament makes no claim of a revaltion to people so why shoudl anyone believe it, the same with the koran. so why are people believing the claims of one person. but do not mistake the toarh with the other two texts. plus the torah makes claims that have been historically tested, not so with the other two wich are just poetic ramblings by misguided men.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:24 pm#400 DO YOU HAVE A CRYATAL BALL? There is not going to be a earthquake. You are an idiot. Why don’t you move to China where you belong.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:29 pmA 5000 year old book says 600K people heard something, and you believe it?
Whats the difference if I were to write it?
October 31st, 2005 at 7:31 pmI hope you all understand that this 2 Americas talk is advocating Civil War?? You don’t really think that your opponents would just let those blue states (and their economies and their slaves) go without a fight peacefully do you?? I’m not saying you’re wrong or bad but just understand what you are really saying here. If you believe this then start buying ammo because the situation you are describing does seem to be on the itinerary. Looks like the South HAS risen again–even if some of them are disguised as Northerners. A new form of slavery and you don’t even have to be black. We have attained equality at last in that the greater percentage of the population will now be dominated equally. Let fiefdom ring?
October 31st, 2005 at 7:35 pmwell elvis, actually its closer to 3000 years old, and at the time it was brand new. you see my father told me this and his father going all the way back to when it happened. and noone could tell that many people that it happened to them if they didnt. unlike other religions where someone made a claim and brought it before people, who like dunces believed him, we saw what happened and wrote it down and passed it on for 3000 years and in all that time our story never changed. in the new testament everyone says something different. how many gospels there are how many apostles who each person is. not so with the torah. its one story and it sticks to it. thank you
October 31st, 2005 at 7:35 pmI agree with some of you that States need to decide more issues. But broadband civil rights issues is not one of them. Otherwise we will have situations like during the 1950’s where blacks can’t go to school in Mississippi (or women) and long-haired freaks are not allowed in Illinois and gays are not welcome in Virginia.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:38 pmHow hypocritical is the Right? Any jurist whose rulings they don’t like is branded an “Activist Judge.” But when it comes to vacancies on any court, they shamelessly and openly demand nothing less than an activist judge who is guaranteed up front to rule their way. And in their arrogance,they think the public is so stupid it doesn’t see the contradiction. Apparently, they’re RIGHT!
October 31st, 2005 at 7:44 pmreligion aside i think it is hypocritical of the republicans to demand an up or down vote when the previous nominee miers was not given such a vote. The conservative movement is a hypocritical machine whose real intentions are hidden behind religious and national propaganda. To divide and conquer that is there real agenda. The rich and the evangelicals are selfish and are the backbone of the movement they think the world revolves around them. They are not better then the rest of us but they may destroy us.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:45 pmLets hope they destroy themselves. We need to take our country back. There is going to be a big rally on November 2. The Dems will destroy the Repubs in the next election 2006.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:51 pmMy question to 413 and 414 is this. Whats the difference. each group here, right and left, are only concerened with thier will. dont think that you are so reitcheous to say that it is only the right that is concerened with thier own agenda. duh it makes sense that each party is concerned with their own agendas thats why they are seperate parties. this is a no-brainer, so i guess for those of you who read get fuzzy you must be like bukky the cat.
October 31st, 2005 at 7:55 pmFirst: The majority of you are making assumptions about Judge Alito’s opinions without ever bothering to read them. In most cases, they are quiet, well-reasoned pieces like that of John Roberts, whom I might add did not spark this kind of anger or outrage from you. i’ll also add that when Alito was confirmed as a circuit court judge, that confirmation was unanimous — with a Democratically controlled Senate, if I remember correctly, and he presented the same opinions then as he does today in terms of judicial restraint. He is *not* an originalist or textualist in the stripe that you should be afraid of or even concerned with based on the dozen opinons I have read.
Second: As pointed out by #378, justices tend to move towards the left over time, not the right. If you’ll read his opinions, I believe you’ll find that this has happened.
Thirdly: This man is at least as qualified as John Roberts. Say what you will about his beliefs, he has the resume for the job, at least with experience and intellectual capital and firepower. I will point out again that the vast majority of Democrats in the Senate voted several months ago to confirm John Roberts as CJ of the USSC without much opposition, precisely because his resume was so impressive. Also, Bush denied a great deal of papers that Democrats argued for. They still sent him to the CJ spot without a fight. You simply cannot argue that Borking this nominee is appropriate.
The Senate approved Roberts, who had less of a paper trial, but whom was suspected of this sort of thing. This nominee has the resume of Roberts (or at least massive amounts of judicial experience).
In conclusion: save the firepower. Alito will *not* overturn Roe. Roberts most certainly will not — again, read the previous discussions of how he views stare decisis. Abortion should not be the flash point anyway.
As a previous poster noted, corporate rights are the real problem here (and executive privelege) — Hamdi v. Rumsfeld anyone? The gov’t has no right to hold American citizens in they have. (Now, I for one would love to open a debate on the circumstances wherein citizenship can be forfeited and/or revoked. I’m not one for the grant of automatic citizenship upon birth — at least, not if the parents are not US citizens or residents.) You want to get angry, get angry over THOSE issues.
This arguably created a “Roberts standard” whereby a nominee would need to be at least as qualified as he. Miers was not, and the Republicans destroyed her for at least that reason. Again, Alito has the resume for the job.
As a side note, I would agree with some posters that this particular tactic (throw a sop (e.g. a woman) to the centrist elements, then have it fail, and put up the real nominee) is probably what happened (after all, Miers had FORTAS written all over her from the moment she was nominated). That being said, we should all be thankful that we didn’t get Luttig, who would be worse.
Also, be thankful we didn’t get McConnell either.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:03 pmAnother mistaken bible quote. gold was the standard for making idols so this makes sense. its not the gold but the representative image. second the CALF, not lamb, was destroyed. it was burnt and those hebrews who helped lead the rebellion (as it was) were forced to drink a solution of the ash of the burnt golden calf and water. this killed them. not end of story everyone who participated (all 600,000 minus 2 (moses, joshua and caleb) were killed before the jews entered israel after 40 years in the desert. moses too died right before this but that was for something else.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:11 pm#400. Just for the record, I believe you are eleven eggs short of a dozen. Don’t worry though, I’ve been told Thorazine works wonders for that sort of thing. I’m a moderate, but I have voted Republican in the past (before the previous instances of incompetence popped up), and your rantings only serve to drive people from the right, just as people ranting about Jewish and neocon cabals serve to drive people from the left.
On a separate note, he is unfortunately right: we are due for some serious earthquakes. USGS shows >50% probablity of massive quakes in at least LA and SF, and probably Sea-Tac (Juan de Fuca plate and all that) in the next 30 years (let’s not forget Puget Sound focuses tidal waves wonderfully). The red states are not immune: should New Madrid go, the US heartland will be reeling, and the Mississippi will be re-routed, and New Orleans will simply cease to exist, as will St. Louis and Memphis (former floodplains, like fill dirt, liquify under earthquake conditions). People scream about hurricane prepartions — don’t worry about those, they can be compensated for removing federal flood insurance, moving people (and houses) off the beaches, and enforcing truly tough construction standards (note that, for example, homes built in Florida after the 2003 revisions to the building codes didn’t even lose shingles to the most recent hurricanes)(if you put enough staples and/or nails through it, it really won’t go anywhere…). Earthquakes — well, let’s just say that retrofitting all the major structures in the heartland isn’t on anyone’s agenda. That’s the next big thing. I’m waiting — the other shoe will fall eventually (I’m guessing
October 31st, 2005 at 8:14 pmVery interesting place, ThinkProgress. Read all 420 comments. About 419 of them belong on NonThinkNonProgress. I suspect all the comments were written by one spaced-out chomskey freak.
Happy Halloween,
October 31st, 2005 at 8:31 pmDave, just one upped us. Get back to Rush Limpdick, Michael “the closet fag” Medved, Michael “the heeb homunculus” Savage, Bill “loofah” O’Lielly,, Ann “the man” Coulter, Sean “the Irish ape w shoulder pads” Hannity, Matt “the deviant self hating fag” Drudge,etc. etc.They have much better and informed things to say. NOT!. A Who’s Who in high functioning retards. Sorry, high functioning retards.
October 31st, 2005 at 8:49 pm[...] I can’t believe I’m going here but here a few patitions if you feel the sameway. http://www.moveonpac.org/stopalito/ http://www.savethecourt.org/ http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/31/samuel-alitos-america [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 8:56 pmAlso — all of you who oppose Alito. You want the Roberts standard, then? That the nominee must be exceptionally qualified, have argued cases before the Supreme Court before, be respected by the entire legal system, even by his opponents? I’ll be happy to give it to you. Just please remember that for future use. When we gain power in 2008, that standard applies to us, which will drastically limit the nominees that we can put forward and thusly have them be credible.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:05 pmEach State Should Secede From The Union And Maybe We Can Start Over. When Its All Done You Will See More Blue Then Red.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:08 pmWhile womens’ rights to choose is indeed important, all civil and personal rights are under the gun with this nomination. I still cannot understand how so many Americans could have voted for Bush for the 2nd term. If there were not so many good folks out there I would say American deserves what they are getting by having this dangerous man in charge.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:13 pmAll rights? Well, not quite, at least not those of corporations and the executive branch.
Why did we vote for him? Well, perhaps because a) his opponent was a virtual clone, leaning about a hair’s breadth more to the left, and simply put, he had too much of a track record. There’s a historical lesson about nominating presidental candidates from Congress, and the Democrats chose to ignore it. They gambled and they lost. Finally, there are issues about switching horses in mid-stream and all that. Many people worried about the signals it would send to switch leaders at such a tender time (remember, we were still somewhat under the influence of 9/11 and the Duelfer report and all that had not yet emerged completely.)
October 31st, 2005 at 9:17 pmThis is why the majority voted Bush into office. It is about time he did the right thing, showed some balls and stop trying to not upset the liberals. Alito’s America as you put it,is the majority of this country’s America. These are the things that the majority wants and majority rules.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:26 pmLook, I’d never heard of Alito before recent events. I’m a pretty liberal democrat, war critic, and particularly displeased at the Roberts nomination.
But the Doe vs Groody case, I read Alito’s dissent. I read another one of his dissents today.
Unless he was simply lying, his dissent in Groody seems fair, if wrong.
The question hinges on whether the cops fairly read a warrant and affadavit, attached by a staple, as one document or not. The majority details how it would have been proper if the warrant either referred to the affadavit in the appropriate places, or didn’t mention it at all. Instead, the warran referred to the affadavit, but not where it referred to who and what was to be searched.
But the plain text of the affadavit would lead a police officer, not trained in constitutional law, to see the phrase “The search should include all persons in the house” in a document signed by a Judge, stapled to a warrant, which referred to this affadavit, as valid.
In any event, this was never a case about strip searches, or expanding the right to strip search.
It was _only_ about the relationship between the warrant and the affadavit.
Depicting it otherwise is unfair.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:37 pmThe Bible and the Torah; 2 books with only fragmentary pieces of text written by many different authors during their early history. Alternate versions with subtle but different interpretations of words and meanings were commonplace during the early history of these two books. But when Gutenberg’s printing press was invented in the early middle ages, it meant that copies of the books would become available to the masses for the first time. It was at this time that certain “accepted” translations of the texts were ageed upon, especially in regards to the bible. These texts conformed to the social norms of the times – medieval serfdom, blind obediance to authority, God as a wrathful punishing avenger of sin, the low status of women and Jews, etc. Other more egalitarian and revolutionary texts were jettisoned as well as different versions of the gospels and the new testment. Strange how God changes so much from the old to the new testament and how the women in the new testament have so much more stautus. So to all you religious fanatics out there (thinking of you, blablabla) I can only say: how do you know you’re reading the true word of God ? Have you looked at and read the Dead Sea scrolls or other early original forms of the 2 books ? Can you read Aramaic or other Hebrewic languages that the 2 texts were largely written in ? For all you know you could actually be reading the handiwork of Satan.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:41 pmThe Majority is the American that are not the RIGHT WING RELIGIOUS NUTS OF OUR COUNTRY.
October 31st, 2005 at 9:43 pm[...] The Left has had a long time to build up ammunition, so it’s going to take a while to knock it all down. ThinkProgress has a nice list of Liberal Lies we can start with. [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 9:48 pmCAN ANY ONE TELL ME — IS HE ANOTHER ONE OF THE GANG FROM YALE’S SCULL AND CROSS BONES?
October 31st, 2005 at 10:00 pmMany of the conservative types are Just wanna be’s. They want to identify with the rich, but in reality, they merely support the elite by voting for the Bush/Chaney types. They reap none of the benefits, all while selling out the future of their grandchildren with these huge deficits and weakening of civil rights of the average person. Those who profess to be Christians and support Bush are also a hoot. The conservative platform of pro gun, anti gay, pro war, death penalty, anti minority, etc. is so un-Christlike in nature.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:01 pmi’ve read the news article with interest. my first duty is to research the cases cited to my satisfaction. at the same time, i hope we see more reports from various sources. ever since bok, all citizens must rely upon their discretion and decision-making abilities.
we, after all, talking about an accomplished jurist in the 3rd circuit. he should receive respect in any review regardless of what the reporter believes might be significant. readers: caution and reflection first before writing to your senators. the 1st nominee was okay!
October 31st, 2005 at 10:08 pm#454. You really think so, huh? Quite a lot of us are moderates, and don’t fit that label. You can easily be pro-gun (e.g. the poor, downtrodden people of Brazil, who rejected by two-thirds majority vote a ban on personal firearms), pro-war and pro-gay (see for example Andrew Sullivan and a thousand other commentators), pro-death penalty (when properly administered, *not* like the farce in, say, Arkansas, see Clintons 1 and 2 as examples of that), and pro-abortion (see Feingold and McCain). It’s really truly easy to do, and your head doesn’t explode (you should try it). Also, the above listed individuals and populations can hardly be termed anti-minority (and America isn’t, either, since whites will be a minority very soon).
Great job constructing a straw man. Really. Ad hominem attacks are also so convincing, as they seem to be in vogue around here. You act as conservatives (which are *not* synonymous with Republicans) are caricatures.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:12 pmFinally, Northern J, your facade of enlightenment is just that — a facade.
A liberal is a conservative who hasn’t been mugged yet.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:13 pmObviously GW can’t claim he’s the “most qualified”, he already said that about Hariet M. Again , he picks a second best to fill an important roll in our nations history. Gotta get the Dems back in majority or close to a majority to keep the ballance of power balanced.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:24 pm[...] So it’s some guy named Samuel A. Alito for the Supreme Court this time. Again, he’s not Wapner, so I won’t pretend to be able to offer any substantive criticism. But after a brief review of his career highlights (courtesy of what passes for the left-wing conspiracy these days) I feel comfortable that he will get the hand of the State out of the public arena, and let it return to fondling 11-year-old girls as the Founders intended. [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 10:28 pm#459. I believe that, properly, by your school of thought we’re all already dead (from original sin) anyway. As they say, in the long term we’re all dead.
But on a more practical note — everyone here cloaks themselves in superior morality and are smug in their safe, protected citadels. I know the truth. That cloak is a thin facade that will crumble easily. The shattering of illusions is painful, directly proportional to the magnitude of the illusion so shattered.
The world is tribal and human beings are primal. It is Hobbesian to the core, and the denizens of this place and others like it believe we have evolved beyond this. When that illusion is shattered, they become scared and lash out (witness Afghanistan and to a lesser extent Iraq). That was only 3000 dead and few hundred billion in economic loss.
The loss of hundreds of thousands of lives will peel the thin veneer away like the wind from a blast will peel away a building’s facade, leaving its true core. That core has not changed. And those inhabitants herein will cry louder than those on the right for blood, because they will no longer be rational — their world of safety, transnational progress, human evolution, and the like, will all be destroyed. When you believe, fundamentally, that the world is a good place and the humans are innately good, and that is shattered, the need to destroy will be greater than anything in human history. And we have unprecedented and unparalleled capabilities to bring to bear on the task.
Those of us who accept that the world is truly nasty and brutish will, ironically, be the sole voices that might restrain the scared and hapless, but more likely than not that be the ones planning and executing the vengence that the angry, scared inhabitants demand, for they are the only ones who can. And then when the inhabitants finally wake from their murderous rage, the first target will be those who helped them execute it, regardless of whether or not they counciled restraint. Their own self-loathing will lead them to destroy everything around them (as they are presently doing, albeit in slow motion).
October 31st, 2005 at 10:33 pm[...] Link [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 10:34 pmI would like to know if my 13 year old kid is going to have an abortion. Does that make me a conservative or just a concerned parent? I agree with a womans right to chose but should we also have the right to know what is happening to our children?
October 31st, 2005 at 10:43 pmI AM SO MAD. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE DEMS? WHERE ARE THEY? WHY DON’T THEY TAKE A STAND ON ALL OF THIS OR WERE THEY BOUGHT OUT BY THE BUSHIES? AND WHY ISN’T THERE ANYONE IN CHARGE OF THE DNC????
I AGREE THAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE REPS IN THE U.S. ADOPT A BABY, EVEN IF IT WAS THE CHILD OF A RAPE OR DEFORMED OR MENTALLY CHALLENGED BECAUSE THE MOTHER USED DRUGS OR DRANK OR HAD HIV. WHERE IS YOUR “CHRISTIAN CHARITY”?
I ALSO THINK THAT MOTHER NATURE IS GIVING BACK TO US WHAT WE DID TO HER.
I ALSO HATE THE “HOWDY DOODY” ADMINISTRATION WITH ALL MY HEART. I HAVE LIVED THROUGH THE NIXON YEARS AND THAT WAS A WALK IN THE PARK COMPARED TO THIS. I AM SURE THEY WILL MAKE A MOVIE (OLIVER STONE TAKE NOTE) ABOUT THIS ADMINISTRATION IN ABOUT 10 YEARS PROVIDING WE ARE ALL STILL HERE AND WE ARE NOT LIVING LIKE THE “HANDMAID”. IF ANYONE HAS NOT SEEN THIS, PLEASE RENT IT, IT IS OUR FUTURE IF WE DO NOT DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT NOW, LIKE VOTE. OF COURSE WE HAVE TO GET RID OF ALL THE PEOPLE AT THE POLLING PLACES AND THE STATE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN CHARGE OF THE VOTING MACHINES, ETC.
AND WHAT THE HELL IS A “CHAD” AND WHY DO THEY EXIST?
IN MY UTOPIAN WORLD I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ALL CORRPUTION GONE, ALL PORK-BARREL PROJECTS GONE, GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING THE HOUSE AND SENATE AND EXECUTIVE BRANCH, LIVE ON THE SAME WAGES THAT MOST AMERICANS LIVE ON, HAVE NONE OR NEARLY NO HEALTH BENEFITS, INSTEAD OF MY TAXES PAYING FOR THEM. NO FREE RIDES ON MY TAX DOLLARS, NO JUNKETS ON MY TAX DOLLARS, WAIT – AM I ASKING FOR TOO MUCH? HAVE A PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT WHO HAVE NO TIES TO BIG MONEY, BUT I AM DREAMING AREN’T I? I WOULD LOVE THAT ALL AMERICANS HAVE HEALTH CARE, HAVE A ROOF OVER THEIR HEADS, HAVE FOOD ON THE TABLE, HAVE GOOD EDUCATION, HAVE A DECENT-PAYING JOB, NO VIOLENCE, NO GUNS. BUT THAT IS MY UTOPIAN DREAM.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:46 pmFellow posters, and poster #38;
I, too, feel your frustration with the tactics of
October 31st, 2005 at 10:46 pmthe right-wingnuts AND the response of the American population. Seems too many of us are just, as you say,
vegging out watching TV or pursuing mindless activities
rather than working to improve their country. Being a
citizen with a conscience is a right, and a battle to
overcome dark forces who threaten to take over our democratic nation.
The Repugs have succeeded in hypnotizing the masses
away from believing they have rights and deserve to keep them. Suddenly, caring about the community became declasse, and more hip to become a puppet of the free-market capitalist system for too many of the crucial segments of our demographic who should never have turned away from the fundamental rights TO become the budding capitalists to which they had evolved. Their climb to “success”, at least in many of their views, were simply a knee-jerk reaction to the wonderful world view provided by the Great Communicator
, Ronald Ray-Gun.
Anyone else who missed the boat, subsequently, were simply dropped from their social circles, and most tellingly, from the eyes of policy makers as well.
I know how it feels to have that helpless grip in your stomach that the GOP will summarily overtake this nation and rend their will and power over us all.
I, too, have also pondered, “Yeah, let the GOP’ers
get their wish. Let’s see what kind of country we turn into when they finally get Roe v. Wade eliminated. Suddenly, GLAD trash bags will fly off the shelves to women who “choose” to dispose their unwanted babies into dumpsters in rates never seen before. Sanitation companies will probably have special training to teach their employees for signs of disposed fetuses and what to do when they find one. Or probably many, as I predict. Employees will be needing counseling as well.
For all those so-called Christians who bray how much they want to adopt all those unwanted chidren, soon the bloom will be off the rose, and they will either dispose or desert them back into the system, and refuse to have another abandoned child into their home ever again. Soon, our country will resemble Slobovan’s Romania, and orphanages will sprout like so many Wal-Mart Superstores around the nation. Obviously, domestic violence will skyrocket, and for those lurid cases we hear such as Scott/Laci Petersons’ will be as common as crabgrass.
Women will no longer have to be certified schizophrenics (and probably themselves as well) will commit acts such as the mom in San Francisco who threw her whole family off the bridge into chilly waters to their deaths. Passers-by will simply shake their heads and mutter, “There goes ANOTHER one”, and just move on.
Working women (those lucky enough to still have a job)
will begin to smuggle their children into the workplace in droves, and will have to, in some cases, commit unspeakable acts (like maybe, having to sleep with the boss) in order to keep said jobs or face destitution.
And, of course, the religious groups themselves will
fall over themselves trying to keep up with the spiraling results of the laws they themselves put into action. Soon, THEY will be overcome and exhausted by the sheer volume and ceaseless numbers of the “poor” they had initially vowed to service and protect. And, inevitably, they too, will eventually collapse from the strain. From their lips will be heard, “Gosh, I/we never knew HOW HARD this was going to be”. And those of us who had been feverishly trying to pass on the message will simply have to reply, “Hey, we tried to tell you, and you didn’t listen. So now, YOU’RE stuck with the problem we were trying to solve, while you’d created a monster. What do you have to say for yourselves NOW?” I live for the day that that may transpire, just to witness that dialogue in the not-so-far future. I’ve already instructed my adult teen daughter that she may be facing a lifetime where many of her female friends will comprise of a number of
unwilling moms who will not be able to exercise their rights if they are faced with an untenable situation. So far, my daughter has not had this problem herself, but the world still awaits.
This country will start to resemble a Third-World nation, and the Repugs will not be able to shield it from their middle and upper-class supporters. It will not be a pretty sight. The whole country will resemble those of Katrina survivors, rambling from place to place, trying to accommodate their growing families, or just picking up the pieces (or just trying, anyway) to salvage their lives after a traumatic “non-choice”
I hope this nightmare never becomes a reality, but the happenings currently point to that end. Just pray that God or a Higher Power intervenes.
you people are so deluded. you hate republicans so much, its not about politics anymore. since when did progressives become the party of hatred and maliciousness? as a red stater, i would be MORE than happy to “secede” from the pompous assholes that comment here. your great 28 seems smart, huh? well about two weeks and fifty social experiments later, you will see that without tradition, without custom, you will crumble. you are so eager to scoff at the beliefs of the ancestors that came before you, the ones that have existed for thousands of years, just because you got the freaking internet. WAKE UP. you laugh at christians because we believe in something that has existed for generations. who are you to discredit it without a second thought, just becuase you have celebrities on your side? you laugh at red staters because we think differently from you, we have different values and traditions. so if you are such a group of Progressive and tolerant people, then why do you sneer at southerners and midwesterners. and remember, geniuses, while you claim to be enlightened, you should know that the truly wise don’t strut around putting people down and elevating themselves on the basis that they voted for john kerry.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:55 pm#466 — point made.
October 31st, 2005 at 10:55 pmYou two can just thank whatever “Higher Power” you believe in for the creation of anti-psychotic medications. Now get yourself to a doctor and try some…
October 31st, 2005 at 10:59 pm#470 — you’re correct. They also won’t have a military. After all, the majority of the ground forces (and military generally) come from red states. We also have the largest percentage of military equipment manufacturers and military stock.
Let the blue states go. I can assure you that the red states (other than New Madrid) have taken their licks already — it’s the Blue states that will suffer the most in the next few years. Climate change problems? Oh yes. But California will dry up before that — imagine California without water imports from red states! Oh yes, let’s not forget about all those earthquakes that are due over the next few years, or perhaps all those nice, dormant volcanos in the Pacific Northwest, since the Rockies insulate the rest of the country from that nonsense. Also, lets not forget that the majority of relief in the country for big disasters still comes from private charities, not the government. I don’t know if California will open its homes like the rest of the country (mostly red states) did post-Katrina. Sustained relief efforts require some motivation other than simiple compassion. The religious who believe that it is their duty to serve and help their fellow man fit that description well. Except that the blue states are evolved, semi-secular paradises. They have very soft underbellies.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:06 pm[...] Perhaps the most egregious slur is this one: ALITO SUPPORTS UNAUTHORIZED STRIP SEARCHES: In Doe v. Groody, Alito agued that police officers had not violated constitutional rights when they strip searched a mother and her ten-year-old daughter while carrying out a search warrant that authorized only the search of a man and his home. [Doe v. Groody, 2004] [...]
October 31st, 2005 at 11:20 pmTo Sara: Hey girl you talk “Christian” but what about what Jesus talked about the poor, rendering onto Caesar that which is his and God the rest? Do you think that us liberals are not Christian? JESUS was a LIBERAL and that’s what got him killed. He threw the MONEY CHANGERS out of the temple, not the HOMOSEXUALS! He accepted sinners and made them whole and cured. But mosstly who created our CONSTITUITION?… LIBERALS!!!
October 31st, 2005 at 11:23 pmi never said that liberals weren’t christian, i know too many to think otherwise. BUT when you say Jesus was liberal, it only brings politics into religion. POLITICS AND SATE ought to be SEPARATE and i don’t want a theocracy. i dont want to force jews to accept christ. i dont want to force public school kids to pray and i dont care about intelligent design in school either. Jesus cared for the poor and so do christians, democrat or republican. but dont forget, Jesus also underscored tradition, daily prayer, fasting, etc. He didnt come to earth to tell us “if it feels good, do it.” he did, believe it or not, preach a bit of fire and brimstone. its not pleasant for liberals to associate Jesus with this, but there are consequences for evil actions. read the Bible sometime, you will see what i am talking about. He showed anger and disappointment at sinners and hypocrites.
and don’t get me started with the forefathers being liberal! i am sick of hearing libs claim Jesus and Washington for “their side.” neither was liberal, just as neither was conservative. the forefathers were bipartisan, they did what was necessary to build the country and didnt drag personal politics into it. so dont claim people for your side, it is childish.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:37 pmThe funny thing about George Bush and his “conversations with his God” are, it’s HIS GOD not MY GOD he talks to. And if this were back in the 1500’s to 1700’s he would be labeled a heretic by the church and burned at the stake for some of his bizzaro remarks about how God told him to go to war.
I guess all that coke he snorted in college really f*’d up his head. God talking to him my a**!!!
October 31st, 2005 at 11:38 pmDarrel, cluetime m’boy…America is not about Majority rules, nor should it be…One role of the supreme court is to make sure that the minority in this country isn’t unfairly stomped on by the majority. At various times in our history the majority thought that blacks were the property of whites, that women didn’t have the right to vote, and that child labor was perfectly peachy with them.
October 31st, 2005 at 11:41 pmAnd the states rights arguments…slippery slope there. How far do we go with states rights, then? I mean give that some thought…what kind of country do we really want to live in? I really want to hear a conservative thoughtfully answer this one for me. Do you want to live in a country where there are 50 different rules for how businesses should operate, or 50 different rules for what constitutes adequate education for our children? How about 50 different rules for what is considered to be civil rights for people, or even more amusing 50 different standards for safety with regards to our food, water and air? I’ve heard some people of the libertarian bent say, “yeah, that’s fine, give us all that freedom and let the government get completely out of our lives….great…wonderful. and while we’re at it, let’s have a wonderful pipe dream and imagine that everyone who doesn’t like living in one state will be happy and free to pack up and leave and live where they want to. Yeah, let’s be 50 divided anarchic states of America. I *can’t* wait.
Sara wrote: you people are so deluded. you hate republicans so much, its not about politics anymore. since when did progressives become the party of hatred and maliciousness?
The rupubs of today are NOT the conservatives of decades ago. What you have now are nothing but facist bible thumping, war happy, neocons who bow down to the jesus freaks to get the vote. They want control of you and everything else. Read the damn PNAC for crissake. They planned a NWO New world order BEFORE Georgie W even got into office. Stop watching FOX news….
October 31st, 2005 at 11:44 pmBill, as a conservative, I will take up the challenge and thoughtfully reply to your point.
Would you agree that Texas and New York are different? Only an idiot would not see this. Texas was a member of the Confederacy. It is heavily populated by Mexican Catholics who come across, as well as by southern rural whites. New York is a melting pot, with probably more liberal ideas than Texas. They differ drastically in geography, climate, population, and history. All in all they are different worlds altogether. Where, then, is the sense in forcing both of them to accept the same laws? If people in Texas want abortion banned, or if they want the marriage age to be young, why not allow them this? I mean, you are all about choice, right?
And the wonderful thing about states rights is that not all states