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]]> By: I-RIGHT-I http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/02/secret-prison-system/comment-page-4/#comment-211481 I-RIGHT-I Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:14:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=2407#comment-211481 The person who identified the illegal activity was doing his duty. Something that a coward who will not serve certainly cannot understand: duty and honor. Comment by mysticagent The words duty and honor must stick in the throat of an enemy of our country and the men who defend her. You have no proof the soldiers actually did what is claimed yet you are the first in line to claim they have dishonored themselves and us. I say "to the sharks with you". The person who identified the illegal activity was doing his duty. Something that a coward who will not serve certainly cannot understand: duty and honor.

Comment by mysticagent

The words duty and honor must stick in the throat of an enemy of our country and the men who defend her. You have no proof the soldiers actually did what is claimed yet you are the first in line to claim they have dishonored themselves and us. I say “to the sharks with you”.

]]> By: Catalyst for Change http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/02/secret-prison-system/comment-page-4/#comment-209832 Catalyst for Change Tue, 08 Nov 2005 21:53:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=2407#comment-209832 Great post mystic! Great post mystic!

]]> By: mysticagent http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/02/secret-prison-system/comment-page-4/#comment-209238 mysticagent Tue, 08 Nov 2005 13:57:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=2407#comment-209238 Military rules are pretty clear that MI or Psyops (Strategic, NOT tactical) are the only people to have contact with prisoners (regardless of who the prisoners are or what they did). Soldiers are required, it is their DUTY, to protect and ensure the safety of all prisoners while they are in their custody. Those Rangers stepped outside of their duty AND added yet another tarnish on the reputation of ALL Americans by their illegal,immoral, and dihonorable actions (is there honor in striking a bound prisoner? Not for an honorable warrior). Hiding behind women and children is dishonorable (though do you have proof that that is what those prisoners had done?.... didn't think so... you are simply a racist and thuggocrat... nice word, thanks for offering it up :) ...), guess what - striking unarmed and bound prisoners is no more honorable, and is arguably even worse. The person who identified the illegal activity was doing his duty. Something that a coward who will not serve certainly cannot understand: duty and honor. Military rules are pretty clear that MI or Psyops (Strategic, NOT tactical) are the only people to have contact with prisoners (regardless of who the prisoners are or what they did). Soldiers are required, it is their DUTY, to protect and ensure the safety of all prisoners while they are in their custody. Those Rangers stepped outside of their duty AND added yet another tarnish on the reputation of ALL Americans by their illegal,immoral, and dihonorable actions (is there honor in striking a bound prisoner? Not for an honorable warrior). Hiding behind women and children is dishonorable (though do you have proof that that is what those prisoners had done?…. didn’t think so… you are simply a racist and thuggocrat… nice word, thanks for offering it up :) …), guess what – striking unarmed and bound prisoners is no more honorable, and is arguably even worse. The person who identified the illegal activity was doing his duty. Something that a coward who will not serve certainly cannot understand: duty and honor.

]]> By: I-RIGHT-I http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/02/secret-prison-system/comment-page-4/#comment-207917 I-RIGHT-I Mon, 07 Nov 2005 20:30:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=2407#comment-207917 I feel sorry for you, but you are doing me a great service in sharing your ideas to display to everyone I can. Keep up the good work! :) Comment by Catalyst for Change — November 4, 2005 @ 5:49 pm Don't feel sorry for me, feel sorry for the Leftist pencle neck that ratted out these Rangers. I hope they find out who did it and cut his heart out. Please pass this along to your "Christian friends" and "conservative" associates and tell them this is the proper Christian response to those that hide behind women and children to do their murders and those like you who support them. Army Rangers Accused of Abusing Detainees The Associated Press Monday, November 7, 2005; 3:12 PM BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Five U.S. members of an elite Army unit have been charged with kicking and punching detainees in Iraq, the military said Monday. The charges were issued Saturday against five soldiers from the 75th Ranger Regiment in connection with a Sept. 7 incident "in which three detainees were allegedly punched and kicked while awaiting movement to a detention facility," the U.S. military said in a statement. The military said officials had immediately launched an investigation after discovering the abuse allegations, leading to the charges. Names and ranks of the five soldiers were not released and the statement gave no further details. Allegations of prisoner abuse at the Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad gained international notoriety in 2004 after a number of U.S. military personnel were charged with humiliating and assaulting detainees at the facility. Nine Army reservists were convicted in the scandal. The announcement came as President Bush vigorously defended U.S. interrogation practices in the war on terror and lobbied against a congressional drive to outlaw torture during a visit to Panama. I feel sorry for you, but you are doing me a great service in sharing your ideas to display to everyone I can. Keep up the good work! :)

Comment by Catalyst for Change — November 4, 2005 @ 5:49 pm

Don’t feel sorry for me, feel sorry for the Leftist pencle neck that ratted out these Rangers. I hope they find out who did it and cut his heart out.

Please pass this along to your “Christian friends” and “conservative” associates and tell them this is the proper Christian response to those that hide behind women and children to do their murders and those like you who support them.

Army Rangers Accused of Abusing Detainees

The Associated Press
Monday, November 7, 2005; 3:12 PM

BAGHDAD, Iraq — Five U.S. members of an elite Army unit have been charged with kicking and punching detainees in Iraq, the military said Monday.

The charges were issued Saturday against five soldiers from the 75th Ranger Regiment in connection with a Sept. 7 incident “in which three detainees were allegedly punched and kicked while awaiting movement to a detention facility,” the U.S. military said in a statement.

The military said officials had immediately launched an investigation after discovering the abuse allegations, leading to the charges. Names and ranks of the five soldiers were not released and the statement gave no further details.

Allegations of prisoner abuse at the Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad gained international notoriety in 2004 after a number of U.S. military personnel were charged with humiliating and assaulting detainees at the facility. Nine Army reservists were convicted in the scandal.

The announcement came as President Bush vigorously defended U.S. interrogation practices in the war on terror and lobbied against a congressional drive to outlaw torture during a visit to Panama.

]]> By: Catalyst for Change http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/02/secret-prison-system/comment-page-4/#comment-203983 Catalyst for Change Fri, 04 Nov 2005 22:49:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=2407#comment-203983 Keep ignoring reality IRI... it must be getting frightening for you to see your delusional world coming apart at the seems. The fact that you represent all that is wrong with this country and those you follow are so corrupt is becoming clearer everyday. I can't find anyone who agrees or even wants to be associated with you so far, including many conservatives and Christians should be alarming to you. Like I said before, I am using you as an example and sending this to everyone I have known and worked with (the majority have been Conservative/Christian). You truly disrespect Christians and Conservatives with your views, not to mention Americans in general. I feel sorry for you, but you are doing me a great service in sharing your ideas to display to everyone I can. Keep up the good work! :) Keep ignoring reality IRI… it must be getting frightening for you to see your delusional world coming apart at the seems. The fact that you represent all that is wrong with this country and those you follow are so corrupt is becoming clearer everyday. I can’t find anyone who agrees or even wants to be associated with you so far, including many conservatives and Christians should be alarming to you. Like I said before, I am using you as an example and sending this to everyone I have known and worked with (the majority have been Conservative/Christian). You truly disrespect Christians and Conservatives with your views, not to mention Americans in general. I feel sorry for you, but you are doing me a great service in sharing your ideas to display to everyone I can. Keep up the good work! :)

]]> By: I-RIGHT-I http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/02/secret-prison-system/comment-page-4/#comment-203756 I-RIGHT-I Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:45:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=2407#comment-203756 Most of America is Christian, which means that most of the “Filthy left” are Christians, and not haters of religion. Comment by one of the dumbass twins I hate to break it to you girls but people who think like you are a very tiny minority of people in this country. Don't let the fact that you've got your whacko's in office and destroyed the Democratic Party lead you to think you're anywhere near 50% let alone "most" of anything including Christians. You can't be a Left Wing Walking Dead Loser and a Christian. It's just not possible. Most of America is Christian, which means that most of the “Filthy left” are Christians, and not haters of religion.

Comment by one of the dumbass twins

I hate to break it to you girls but people who think like you are a very tiny minority of people in this country. Don’t let the fact that you’ve got your whacko’s in office and destroyed the Democratic Party lead you to think you’re anywhere near 50% let alone “most” of anything including Christians. You can’t be a Left Wing Walking Dead Loser and a Christian. It’s just not possible.

]]> By: I-RIGHT-I http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/02/secret-prison-system/comment-page-4/#comment-203697 I-RIGHT-I Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:30:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=2407#comment-203697 Oh, and my estimation of IRI is based solely on his posts. I do formally apologize for the comment about the link (past item, other post), however, as I did take Ryan’s word and did not go there myself. But I am not so sure that Ryan is inclined to lie. But since I did not verify it, I apologize to IRI for using that piece of unsubstansiated evidence. I, however, maintain all other comments and observations as being true in my estimation (to include the supremecist accusation). Comment by mysticagent I guess this means a blowjob is totally out of the question? Oh, and my estimation of IRI is based solely on his posts. I do formally apologize for the comment about the link (past item, other post), however, as I did take Ryan’s word and did not go there myself. But I am not so sure that Ryan is inclined to lie. But since I did not verify it, I apologize to IRI for using that piece of unsubstansiated evidence. I, however, maintain all other comments and observations as being true in my estimation (to include the supremecist accusation).

Comment by mysticagent

I guess this means a blowjob is totally out of the question?

]]> By: mysticagent http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/02/secret-prison-system/comment-page-4/#comment-203478 mysticagent Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:16:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=2407#comment-203478 I don't expect him to answer it (and the excellent question was not mine, it was M. Duchamp). If he answered it truthfully he would be arguing against himself. It is an introspective question with farther reaching implications - like a partial explanation for the swelling of the terrorist ranks. If you want to resist oppressors, the best way is to join an organized resistance. If the only organized resistance is the terrorists, a desperate person will go there. The policy of kidnapping and torture serves only to increase the ranks of the terrorists - not with zealots, mind you, but with those who see no other recourse to battle their oppressors. I don’t expect him to answer it (and the excellent question was not mine, it was M. Duchamp). If he answered it truthfully he would be arguing against himself. It is an introspective question with farther reaching implications – like a partial explanation for the swelling of the terrorist ranks. If you want to resist oppressors, the best way is to join an organized resistance. If the only organized resistance is the terrorists, a desperate person will go there. The policy of kidnapping and torture serves only to increase the ranks of the terrorists – not with zealots, mind you, but with those who see no other recourse to battle their oppressors.

]]> By: Catalyst for Change http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/02/secret-prison-system/comment-page-4/#comment-203462 Catalyst for Change Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:04:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=2407#comment-203462 Oh yeah, don't expect IRI to answer that question... that scenario can't exist in his current reality... otherwise it would start to make him question what he currently believes and that would be unacceptable. Oh yeah, don’t expect IRI to answer that question… that scenario can’t exist in his current reality… otherwise it would start to make him question what he currently believes and that would be unacceptable.

]]> By: mysticagent http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/02/secret-prison-system/comment-page-4/#comment-203457 mysticagent Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:58:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=2407#comment-203457 Catalyst It is difficult to believe that Christians (and ESPESCIALLY fundamentalist Christians, who, by nature, should be the pinnacle of adhering to the Christian Bible) believe the words and can completely ignore the actions. Their opinions seem to be based entirely on the WH speeches with zero regard for looking at what is going on. I think that is because the rhetoric rings solidly with them: the words outline someone who will lead in a manner that is moral and "Christian", and they desperately want that. Apparently so badly that they allow themselves to be self deluded. Any failure of the admin to accomplish the Fundamentalist golas (e.g. abortion) is construed as being the fault of "those rotten lefties who hate religion". That attitude alone seems also to drive the Christian base strongly: they believe that if you are not 100% behind the (modern) GOP then you are a hater of all things religious. I am quite religious (though not a Christian nor any other major world religion - though I respect everyone to have their views as long as they do not involve hurting others), and I also know a number of Christians who ARE good Christians (as 'good' as the average layman) and who opposed Bush from day one. Most of America is Christian, which means that most of the "Filthy left" are Christians, and not haters of religion. But the followers of Bush believe the words - those who oppose must hate religion. I know I ramble, but this post seems to be a bit dead, so I feel a little more free to go off topic. Final (?) off-topic matter (and non-sequitor): pledge of allegience. I think that a preferable, and more accurate line would be, "...one nation, under our Gods,...." It is a subtle change, but it encompasses all but athiests. The Right claim that it is not about attesting to any religion, so that will allow it to respect the beliefs of the Hindu, or any panthiest. Any objection to that will have to be on the groounds that they actually DO think it is about affirming THEIR God, and not affirming that the people have religion. I'm sure I'll bring this up again some point later. It highlights the lie about their intention. Catalyst
It is difficult to believe that Christians (and ESPESCIALLY fundamentalist Christians, who, by nature, should be the pinnacle of adhering to the Christian Bible) believe the words and can completely ignore the actions. Their opinions seem to be based entirely on the WH speeches with zero regard for looking at what is going on. I think that is because the rhetoric rings solidly with them: the words outline someone who will lead in a manner that is moral and “Christian”, and they desperately want that. Apparently so badly that they allow themselves to be self deluded. Any failure of the admin to accomplish the Fundamentalist golas (e.g. abortion) is construed as being the fault of “those rotten lefties who hate religion”. That attitude alone seems also to drive the Christian base strongly: they believe that if you are not 100% behind the (modern) GOP then you are a hater of all things religious. I am quite religious (though not a Christian nor any other major world religion – though I respect everyone to have their views as long as they do not involve hurting others), and I also know a number of Christians who ARE good Christians (as ‘good’ as the average layman) and who opposed Bush from day one. Most of America is Christian, which means that most of the “Filthy left” are Christians, and not haters of religion. But the followers of Bush believe the words – those who oppose must hate religion. I know I ramble, but this post seems to be a bit dead, so I feel a little more free to go off topic.
Final (?) off-topic matter (and non-sequitor): pledge of allegience. I think that a preferable, and more accurate line would be, “…one nation, under our Gods,….” It is a subtle change, but it encompasses all but athiests. The Right claim that it is not about attesting to any religion, so that will allow it to respect the beliefs of the Hindu, or any panthiest. Any objection to that will have to be on the groounds that they actually DO think it is about affirming THEIR God, and not affirming that the people have religion. I’m sure I’ll bring this up again some point later. It highlights the lie about their intention.

]]> By: Catalyst for Change http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/02/secret-prison-system/comment-page-4/#comment-203415 Catalyst for Change Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:25:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=2407#comment-203415 mysticagent, Everyday, I pray for Americans to open the eyes to what is being done in their name and the hypocrisy that exists in our leadership. Bush was smart to hide behind the Christian vale since that makes it easy for Christians to rally behind him, it is NOT easy to open the eyes of people that have their church propping him up like he is some kind of godly man. It took a year of constant discussion and facts to open the eyes of two of my best friends who are very devout Christians. And I took no pleasure in that, because it is very demoralizing to see the truth that their leader is just another "false prophet". I think it has taken longer as well due to the failure of our media thanks to corporate influence and the removal of the Fairness Doctrine (thanks President Reagan). But like you said, it takes eternal vigilance to keep our country free from these criminals and I will do my best to help make this country better. You have my respect and thanks for your part. :) mysticagent,

Everyday, I pray for Americans to open the eyes to what is being done in their name and the hypocrisy that exists in our leadership. Bush was smart to hide behind the Christian vale since that makes it easy for Christians to rally behind him, it is NOT easy to open the eyes of people that have their church propping him up like he is some kind of godly man. It took a year of constant discussion and facts to open the eyes of two of my best friends who are very devout Christians. And I took no pleasure in that, because it is very demoralizing to see the truth that their leader is just another “false prophet”. I think it has taken longer as well due to the failure of our media thanks to corporate influence and the removal of the Fairness Doctrine (thanks President Reagan). But like you said, it takes eternal vigilance to keep our country free from these criminals and I will do my best to help make this country better. You have my respect and thanks for your part. :)

]]> By: mysticagent http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/02/secret-prison-system/comment-page-4/#comment-203406 mysticagent Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:17:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=2407#comment-203406 IRI "We don’t do that dipshit. Further more…my kid ain’t no raghead Muslim scumbag looking for a place to plant a roadside bomb. But let’s say he was….I shoot the little bastard myself." O.k., kidnapping people without evidence and torturing them, with no legal recourse, no trial, and not even visitation from human rights organizations IS doing that. ANYONE who tortures someone for information ASSUMES THE VICTIM IS GUILTY, whether there is evidence or not. How many people have been released because they were innocent (admitted in the release of them)? Any clue as to how many of them are claiming abuse and torture? If you torture for information as a policy, you WILL torture innocents. And you still did not answer the question. The question doesn't say that your kid is a terrorist. It says what if your child (innocent of any wrongdoing at all) was tortured into giving a false confession (happens all the time under torture): "What would you do if your child was arrested for a crime they didn’t commit and tortured into submitting a false confession?" IRI

“We don’t do that dipshit. Further more…my kid ain’t no raghead Muslim scumbag looking for a place to plant a roadside bomb. But let’s say he was….I shoot the little bastard myself.”

O.k., kidnapping people without evidence and torturing them, with no legal recourse, no trial, and not even visitation from human rights organizations IS doing that. ANYONE who tortures someone for information ASSUMES THE VICTIM IS GUILTY, whether there is evidence or not. How many people have been released because they were innocent (admitted in the release of them)? Any clue as to how many of them are claiming abuse and torture? If you torture for information as a policy, you WILL torture innocents.
And you still did not answer the question. The question doesn’t say that your kid is a terrorist. It says what if your child (innocent of any wrongdoing at all) was tortured into giving a false confession (happens all the time under torture):

“What would you do if your child was arrested for a crime they didn’t commit and tortured into submitting a false confession?”

]]> By: mysticagent http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/02/secret-prison-system/comment-page-4/#comment-203394 mysticagent Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:10:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=2407#comment-203394 Oh, and my estimation of IRI is based solely on his posts. I do formally apologize for the comment about the link (past item, other post), however, as I did take Ryan's word and did not go there myself. But I am not so sure that Ryan is inclined to lie. But since I did not verify it, I apologize to IRI for using that piece of unsubstansiated evidence. I, however, maintain all other comments and observations as being true in my estimation (to include the supremecist accusation). Oh, and my estimation of IRI is based solely on his posts. I do formally apologize for the comment about the link (past item, other post), however, as I did take Ryan’s word and did not go there myself. But I am not so sure that Ryan is inclined to lie. But since I did not verify it, I apologize to IRI for using that piece of unsubstansiated evidence. I, however, maintain all other comments and observations as being true in my estimation (to include the supremecist accusation).

]]> By: Catalyst for Change http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/02/secret-prison-system/comment-page-4/#comment-203390 Catalyst for Change Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:07:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=2407#comment-203390 We don’t do that dipshit. Further more…my kid ain’t no raghead Muslim scumbag looking for a place to plant a roadside bomb. But let’s say he was….I shoot the little bastard myself. Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 4, 2005 @ 12:45 pm Nice disconnect from reality... it sure must make life easier for you. Why are you for helping Iraqi "raghead muslims" again? You obviously have no respect for them as a people, but you sure are gung ho for murdering them. And we do have such shit going on in this country... WAKE UP and do some research... not that it would matter... you would just adjust your reality to fit them in the "Filthy Left" category where you place anyone you don't understand, respect, or care for. We don’t do that dipshit. Further more…my kid ain’t no raghead Muslim scumbag looking for a place to plant a roadside bomb. But let’s say he was….I shoot the little bastard myself.

Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 4, 2005 @ 12:45 pm

Nice disconnect from reality… it sure must make life easier for you. Why are you for helping Iraqi “raghead muslims” again? You obviously have no respect for them as a people, but you sure are gung ho for murdering them. And we do have such shit going on in this country… WAKE UP and do some research… not that it would matter… you would just adjust your reality to fit them in the “Filthy Left” category where you place anyone you don’t understand, respect, or care for.

]]> By: mysticagent http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/02/secret-prison-system/comment-page-4/#comment-203387 mysticagent Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:04:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=2407#comment-203387 Catayst I think that your post #158 has a lot of truth. Imyself was not interested in politics until the flurry of questionable activity right after 9/11. I think that is when a lot of progressives woke up that we allowed these criminals in by not participating. The supporters of this regime are going looney because it is becoming quite evident that their base is NOT the majority opinion in the country, and that the majority are standing up and demanding their voting priveledges, and demanding accountability. That is my take on it, at least. My estimation in watching the last 4 years of polls is that the extreme right base is somewhere around 10% - 20% of the population. When (yes, I said WHEN - IRI, don't bother chiming in unless you are going to respond to my several prior posts pertaining to torture, and the direct question posed to you... though I am prepared to answer it FOR you, as we both know what your answer is, and you know the implications of giving that answer). Bush's overall approval drops below 15% or so, he will have begun to lose the hardcore base. Speculation, of course. He will reach that number once it actually sinks in that he has been lying, and that his morals are NOT remotely Christian morals. And that day is approaching, though slowly. Still speculation, but not without basis in reality. I, too, wish I had been more attentive of the political process prior to this administration. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, from without and from WITHIN. The greatest threat to a free society will always come from within - those who wish to "change the rules" to make it all go their way, instead of "playing by the rules". The 'lawyers' (that'd be ALL of the admin) in this admin see every law, every item of the Constitution as a barrier to be overcome (generally by deception, or by trying to find legal loopholes), and not as being the rules to abide by. I think IRI and his ilk agree with that. They will scream about freedom and democracy and moral duty and how great this country is, and then they will in the same breath bemoan the constitution and those pesky laws that don't let them do as they please - you know, civil rights laws and all that "bunk". These people argue that this country is the greatest thing around, but they want to change every aspect of the Constitution and every aspect of our government (so that all things are just their way). That is not patriotism, that is traitorous. Catayst
I think that your post #158 has a lot of truth. Imyself was not interested in politics until the flurry of questionable activity right after 9/11. I think that is when a lot of progressives woke up that we allowed these criminals in by not participating. The supporters of this regime are going looney because it is becoming quite evident that their base is NOT the majority opinion in the country, and that the majority are standing up and demanding their voting priveledges, and demanding accountability. That is my take on it, at least. My estimation in watching the last 4 years of polls is that the extreme right base is somewhere around 10% – 20% of the population. When (yes, I said WHEN – IRI, don’t bother chiming in unless you are going to respond to my several prior posts pertaining to torture, and the direct question posed to you… though I am prepared to answer it FOR you, as we both know what your answer is, and you know the implications of giving that answer). Bush’s overall approval drops below 15% or so, he will have begun to lose the hardcore base. Speculation, of course. He will reach that number once it actually sinks in that he has been lying, and that his morals are NOT remotely Christian morals. And that day is approaching, though slowly. Still speculation, but not without basis in reality.
I, too, wish I had been more attentive of the political process prior to this administration. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, from without and from WITHIN. The greatest threat to a free society will always come from within – those who wish to “change the rules” to make it all go their way, instead of “playing by the rules”. The ‘lawyers’ (that’d be ALL of the admin) in this admin see every law, every item of the Constitution as a barrier to be overcome (generally by deception, or by trying to find legal loopholes), and not as being the rules to abide by. I think IRI and his ilk agree with that. They will scream about freedom and democracy and moral duty and how great this country is, and then they will in the same breath bemoan the constitution and those pesky laws that don’t let them do as they please – you know, civil rights laws and all that “bunk”. These people argue that this country is the greatest thing around, but they want to change every aspect of the Constitution and every aspect of our government (so that all things are just their way). That is not patriotism, that is traitorous.

]]> By: Catalyst for Change http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/02/secret-prison-system/comment-page-4/#comment-203363 Catalyst for Change Fri, 04 Nov 2005 17:51:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=2407#comment-203363 It’s not perfect but you’re absolutely wrong about it being ineffective, you’re wrong about it not having broad Iraqi support and you’re wrong about it weakening our standing in the world unless you think that having the enemies of America love us is strength. Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 4, 2005 @ 8:58 am The "its not perfect" is the closest you have come to recognizing the reality of this war and its consequences for our nation. And where is your evidence of our standing in the world improving... everywhere you look there is growing anger at our nation and the confusion of why the beacon of freedom has become another empire out to conquer/dominate the world. World peace requires cooperation between nations, not this unilateral stupidity the Bush Administration has dragged us into. It’s not perfect but you’re absolutely wrong about it being ineffective, you’re wrong about it not having broad Iraqi support and you’re wrong about it weakening our standing in the world unless you think that having the enemies of America love us is strength.

Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 4, 2005 @ 8:58 am

The “its not perfect” is the closest you have come to recognizing the reality of this war and its consequences for our nation. And where is your evidence of our standing in the world improving… everywhere you look there is growing anger at our nation and the confusion of why the beacon of freedom has become another empire out to conquer/dominate the world. World peace requires cooperation between nations, not this unilateral stupidity the Bush Administration has dragged us into.

]]> By: I-RIGHT-I http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/02/secret-prison-system/comment-page-4/#comment-203357 I-RIGHT-I Fri, 04 Nov 2005 17:45:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=2407#comment-203357 What would you do if your child was arrested for a crime they didn’t commit and tortured into submitting a false confession? Comment by MajicalMyscical We don't do that dipshit. Further more...my kid ain't no raghead Muslim scumbag looking for a place to plant a roadside bomb. But let's say he was....I shoot the little bastard myself. What would you do if your child was arrested for a crime they didn’t commit and tortured into submitting a false confession?

Comment by MajicalMyscical

We don’t do that dipshit. Further more…my kid ain’t no raghead Muslim scumbag looking for a place to plant a roadside bomb. But let’s say he was….I shoot the little bastard myself.

]]> By: Catalyst for Change http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/02/secret-prison-system/comment-page-4/#comment-203347 Catalyst for Change Fri, 04 Nov 2005 17:36:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=2407#comment-203347 I didn’t make anyone “the enemy”. I recognize the Filthy Left for what it is; the enemy of free nations. Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 4, 2005 @ 8:55 am You don't even respect or understand what a free nation/people is based on your own admitted bigotry. The "Filthy Left" is a creation of your own imagining because it certainly does not represent the PEOPLE of this country. Where do you even get your information? I am curious how you came to your conclusions... do you listen to some radio nut spouting this kind of hatred? I think mysticagent has you pegged as a white supremacist and so far it fits with your posts... don't you see how much your like the extremists of the Nazi movement in WW2? They believed they were the "greatest people" as well, and used that as an excuse to slaughter millions of innocent people... the "Filthy Jews". Its no different than the crap you are spouting now. I didn’t make anyone “the enemy”. I recognize the Filthy Left for what it is; the enemy of free nations.

Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 4, 2005 @ 8:55 am

You don’t even respect or understand what a free nation/people is based on your own admitted bigotry. The “Filthy Left” is a creation of your own imagining because it certainly does not represent the PEOPLE of this country. Where do you even get your information? I am curious how you came to your conclusions… do you listen to some radio nut spouting this kind of hatred? I think mysticagent has you pegged as a white supremacist and so far it fits with your posts… don’t you see how much your like the extremists of the Nazi movement in WW2? They believed they were the “greatest people” as well, and used that as an excuse to slaughter millions of innocent people… the “Filthy Jews”. Its no different than the crap you are spouting now.

]]> By: mysticagent http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/02/secret-prison-system/comment-page-4/#comment-203296 mysticagent Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:33:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=2407#comment-203296 IRI To quote you: "You didn't answer the question": What would you do if your child was arrested for a crime they didn’t commit and tortured into submitting a false confession? It's a good question, a fair question, and more appropriate than the hypothetical that you offered about someone holding your child. IRI
To quote you: “You didn’t answer the question”:
What would you do if your child was arrested for a crime they didn’t commit and tortured into submitting a false confession?
It’s a good question, a fair question, and more appropriate than the hypothetical that you offered about someone holding your child.

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