Cheney Claimed Iraq Was Providing WMD Training To Al-Qaeda Months After Source Recanted
Cheney Claimed Iraq Was Providing WMD Training To Al-Qaeda Months After Source Recanted
President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top administration officials repeatedly claimed that Iraq was providing al-Qaeda with training in chemical and biological weapons. The administration’s claims were based on the statements of a known fabricator, al Qaeda senior military trainer Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi. It gets worse. The Washington Post reports that al-Libi formally retracted his claims in early 2004:
In fact, in January 2004 al-Libi recanted his claims, and in February 2004 the CIA withdrew all intelligence reports based on his information.
Months later, Cheney was still pushing al-Libi’s claims anyway. Here’s Cheney on CNBC’s Kudlow & Kramer, 6/4/04:
It’s clearly established in terms of training, provision of bomb-making experts, training of people with respect to chemical and biological warfare capabilities, that al-Qaeda sent personnel to Iraq for training and so forth…
It’s inconceivable that, by that point, Cheney didn’t know that al-Libi had recanted. If Cheney didn’t know, he was grossly negligent. Either way, Cheney owes the public an explanation.
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November 6th, 2005 at 12:54 pmCheney must be tried and jailed. He is a criminal.
November 6th, 2005 at 1:01 pmOf course, K and K are certainly not the types to question the “big man.” Ever watch those two clowns. One is a bombastic assaulter of the ears. The other is a sanctimonious and fussy, sneering snob.They worship at Cheney’s feet.
But what if al-Libi was lying when he changed his story? Maybe something happened with him that he had to revrese his story. Perhaps his life was in danger? I don’t know. But there is always that possibility.
November 6th, 2005 at 1:24 pmDear George,
November 6th, 2005 at 1:25 pmThe more you murder the harder it will be to acknowledge fault.
There is still a way out for you. Apologize and blame Cheney,people don;t like him anyway. He resigns and lives on his nice Halliburton earnings.
True, intelligent people won’t believe you but your idiotic base will. You may even avoid impeachment, which is insufficient for the number you have killed.
Cowboy, this train will leave the station soon and you had better decide.
If you don’t decide, people like us will decide for you.
Magnumdb
November 6th, 2005 at 1:29 pmThis is the kind of intelligence you get when you toture people. They will tell you whatever you want to hear.
As to whether or not he lied when he recanted, I don’t know. Did someone torture you to ask that question?
Poor Judd, you Soros-funded Propaganda-Pimp. Prove that Cheney was making that claim based on that particular source. Put up or shut up.
The connections between Saddam Hussein and terrorist organizations are clear and not based on a single source.
“Anybody who says there is no working relationship between al Qaeda and Iraqi intelligence going back to the early ’90s–they can only say that if they’re illiterate. This is a slam dunk.” — James Woolsey, CIA director under President Bill Clinton, November 2003
November 6th, 2005 at 1:30 pmMarie is a criminal. She must be tried and jailed.
November 6th, 2005 at 1:31 pmwwallace, I think you’re right about Marie. Her truths do assault your ears.
November 6th, 2005 at 1:38 pmwwallace….
Since none of Cheney’s claims about Iraq or predictions about the war have proven true, isn’t it HIS job to prove he WASN’T lying? You tell Judd to “put up or shut up”; exactly when has your side ever “put up” any evidence to prove ANYTHING they have said about Iraq?
You’re telling the wrong people to put up. So shut up.
November 6th, 2005 at 1:39 pmThe link to the comments in the post above this one doesn’t work. wwallace is about to be drawn and quartered for impersonating a famous Scot and blubbering like a troll possessed.
November 6th, 2005 at 1:40 pmAnother moonbat lie: “Since none of Cheney’s claims about Iraq or predictions about the war have proven true”
November 6th, 2005 at 1:42 pmPost the actual quote…
“Anybody who says there is no working relationship between al Qaeda and Iraqi intelligence going back to the early ’90s–they can only say that if they’re illiterate. This is a slam dunk. Bill Clinton is still the President and I’m off my meds again and still sleeping with Hillary.†— James Woolsey, CIA director under President Bill Clinton, November 2003
November 6th, 2005 at 1:43 pmwwallace,
November 6th, 2005 at 1:44 pmI must apologize. Cheney was right.
They greeted us with flowers and their oil is paying the bill. Yeah right
Alright, if it’s a lie, tell me when Cheney was right. About anything.
Were we greeted as liberators? Were there WMD? Was Iraq tied to al queda?
Put up or shut up. If I’m wrong, prove it. We deal with facts in this universe, not your silly fantasies.
November 6th, 2005 at 1:45 pmMagnumdb
This is the kind of intelligence you get when you toture people. They will tell you whatever you want to hear.
As to whether or not he lied when he recanted, I don’t know. Did someone torture you to ask that question?
Comment by no-balls
That’s right. Somebody tortured him or threatened his family and he changed his story. The only problem is it doesn’t matter. We know they had training camps, we know Saddam supported terrorist bombers and what’s more, it’s too f’ing late anyway dipshit. We’re already there and we’re there to stay for a long..long..time.
November 6th, 2005 at 1:49 pmSome cool tortures we will be imposing on wwallace, his parents, children, wives, friends brothers and sisters, anyone he knows…
To be hanged, drawn and quartered was the penalty once ordained in England for treason. It is considered by many to be the epitome of “cruel” punishment, and was reserved for male traitors because treason was deemed more heinous than murder and other capital crimes. Women found guilty of treason in England were burnt at the stake, a punishment which was abolished in 1790.
Until 1870, the full punishment for the crime was to be “hanged, drawn and quartered” in that the convict would be:
Dragged on a hurdle (a wooden frame) to the place of execution
Hanged[1] by the neck, but removed before death
Disembowelled, and the genitalia and entrails burned before the victim’s eyes; the heart was the last to be removed and was then shown to the victim before the entrails were burned.[2]
Beheaded and the body divided into four parts (quartered).
Typically, the resulting five parts (i.e., the four quarters of the body and the head) were parboiled to prevent them rotting too quickly, then gibbetted (put on public display) in different parts of the city or town to deter would-be traitors. Gibbeting was abolished in England in 1843.
There is confusion among modern historians about whether “drawing” referred to the dragging to the place of execution or the disembowelling, but since two different words are used in the official documents detailing the mock trial of William Wallace (”detrahatur” for drawing as a method of transport, and “devaletur” for disembowelment), there is no doubt that the victims of this extraordinarily cruel form of punishment were in fact disembowelled.
Judges delivering sentence at the Old Bailey also seemed to have had some confusion over the term “drawn”, and some sentences are summarised as “Drawn, Hanged and Quartered”. Nevertheless, the sentence was often recorded quite explicitly. For example, the record of the trial of Thomas Wallcot, John Rouse, William Hone and William Blake for offences against the king, on 12th July, 1683 concludes as follows: “Then Sentence was passed, as followeth, viz. That they should return to the place from whence they came, from thence be drawn to the Common place of Execution upon Hurdles, and there to be Hanged by the Necks, then cut down alive, their Privy-Members cut off, and Bowels taken out to be burnt before their Faces, their Heads to be severed from their Bodies, and their Bodies divided into four parts, to be disposed of as the King should think fit.”
November 6th, 2005 at 1:49 pmThat’s right. Somebody tortured him or threatened his family and he changed his story. The only problem is it doesn’t matter. We know they had training camps, we know Saddam supported terrorist bombers and what’s more, it’s too f’ing late anyway dipshit. We’re already there and we’re there to stay for a long..long..time.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
BWAHAHAHAHA! What do you mean “we”, white man?
November 6th, 2005 at 1:52 pmFlowers and candy is Iraqi for IED.
November 6th, 2005 at 1:54 pmHey, wwallace, #6, how’s your hammer hanging? Its me, Joe, reading up on the propaganda posted here. Glad to have your invaluable support here holding up Cheney’s flabby ass. That take about ol’ Judd being one of Soros’s pimps really cracked me up! But that remark about him “putting up or shutting up” was kinda off. I mean, the well-written article itself, combinded with Judd’s sources was kinda “putting up”, don’t you think?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but a rightwinger myself, I’m just glad Judd didn’t mention what old Dick-breath said back on May 31st on Larry King Live, about the Iraq insurgency being in its “last throes”. Remember that one? What a boner, huh? I mean, if I was a leftie, I’d be thinking that old Dick can’t seem to get all his shit into one sock, you know?
I’d also be thinking he should be treated just like any other criminal, like what you said about Marie in #7. You know, that that rightwing Jackass is nothing but ciminal and should be tried and jailed. Of course, I’m a conservative like and you and would never suggest such treatment for a Republican myself, as I like jackasses as much as the next redneck does.
November 6th, 2005 at 1:57 pm“Were we greeted as liberators? Were there WMD? Was Iraq tied to al queda?”
Yes. Yes. Yes.
November 6th, 2005 at 2:02 pmFREEDOM IS GOING TO HELL.
WORLD POPULATION= 6.6 billion
China= 1.3 Billion
Indias= 1 Billion
Over 75 % population is in Asia
N.America only makes up LESS THAN 300 Million.
YEP! God And FREEDOM HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON EXCEPT HATE FOR ONE ANOTHER
November 6th, 2005 at 2:06 pmIs wwallace a idiot? Is wwallace in the lower level intelligence quota? Does wwallace swallow GOP spew whole then spit it up here?
Yes. Yes. Yes
November 6th, 2005 at 2:09 pm“Anybody who says there is no working relationship between al Qaeda and Iraqi intelligence going back to the early ’90s–they can only say that if they’re illiterate. This is a slam dunk.†— James Woolsey, CIA
I find it really funny that Woolsey didn’t say that when he was actually serving as CIA director. He said it in 2003 based on data given to him by the Bush administration.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=3396&R=A0A861C5
Of course this is from the weekley standard, a weak standard if there ever was one.
November 6th, 2005 at 2:10 pm“Were we greeted as liberators? Were there WMD? Was Iraq tied to al queda?â€
NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO
November 6th, 2005 at 2:16 pmOf course this is from the weekley standard, a weak standard if there ever was one.
Comment by Alan
Some guy said he invented the internet once. He was closer to being truthful in that remark than Woolsey. is Wooly Marmit a PNAC signatory?
November 6th, 2005 at 2:18 pmHow shortsighted Cheny was that he forgot Americans aren’t into drawn out wars. Hopefully he has permanently derailed the PNAC initiative.
November 6th, 2005 at 2:21 pmCalling me names will never change the facts I’ve posted.
November 6th, 2005 at 2:23 pmBWAHAHAHAHAHA! Wooley Marmit was Bush I’s and clinton just kept him on
James Woolsey, CIA
The Desperate World of James Woolsey
Ex-CIA Chief Predicted ‘Peak’ Oil Crisis
In 1999 CFR Paper
“The United States cannot afford to wait for the next energy crisis to marshal its intellectual and industrial resources…. Our growing dependence on increasingly scarce Middle Eastern oil is a fool’s game—there is no way for the rest of the world to win. Our losses may come suddenly through war, steadily through price increases, agonizingly through developing-nation poverty, relentlessly through climate change—or through all of the above.”
James Woolsey, US Director of Central Intelligence, 1993 – 1995
Bush II Administration Adviser and Envoy, 2001 – Present
“Iraq can be seen as the first battle of the fourth world war. After two hot world wars and one cold one that all began and were centered in Europe, the fourth world war is going to be for the Middle East.”
Former Director of the CIA, James Woolsey
NATO conference, Prague, November 2002
“… the mideast will increasingly become the source of the world’s oil, and this is a strategic problem for us and for many other countries.”
James Woolsey, Former Director of the CIA
Interview with the Council on Foreign Relations and the Washington Post: June 7, 2000
Tin Foil Hattie
November 6th, 2005 at 2:23 pmCalling me names will never change the facts I’ve posted.
Comment by wwallace
Nothing will ever make your “facts” true or relevant but calling you names will just have to do until we can track you down and torture you to get the “true facts” out of you.
http://www.salon.com/people/feature/2001/12/20/woolsey/
November 6th, 2005 at 2:26 pmYep, PNAC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Woolsey
November 6th, 2005 at 2:27 pmToo Stupid To Be President
November 6th, 2005 at 2:32 pmFREEDOM IS GOING TO HELL.
WORLD POPULATION= 6.6 billion
China= 1.3 Billion
Indias= 1 Billion
Over 75 % population is in Asia
N.America only makes up LESS THAN 300 Million.
YEP! God And FREEDOM HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON, EXCEPT for one thing. HATE FOR ONE ANOTHER
November 6th, 2005 at 2:33 pmMy favorite part of the Iraqis ‘greeted us as liberators’ myth was that some of the ‘average iraqis’ were in fact identified as members of Chalabi’s expat group. The US flew them into Iraq at Amercian Taxpayer for a FAKE photo-op propaganda moment.
Republicans are such fascist propagadist liars.
November 6th, 2005 at 2:34 pmIf all this stuff about Sadam’s connections to terrorism has been known for a long time, why did we support him at some point?
Just a question. Anyone from the right care to answer?
November 6th, 2005 at 2:36 pm“Calling me names will never change the facts I’ve posted.”
Start posting some facts and I will stop calling you a moron.
November 6th, 2005 at 2:39 pm#34
Yes, why is there a picture/video on Ronald Dumbsfeld shaking Saddam’s hand with a big ol’ grin on his face?
November 6th, 2005 at 2:40 pmANYONE ON THE RIGHT CARE TO ANSWER #34?
Guess not, the Right can’t explain it, or cares not to explain it.
November 6th, 2005 at 2:43 pmNow is the point when the Righties will change the subject again.
November 6th, 2005 at 2:44 pmOr maybe the Right will deny it, stating it was computer generated or something.
I’m not even using quotes or “facts” just basic fundamental questions.
November 6th, 2005 at 2:44 pmYes SpudgeBoy
“Calling me names will never change the facts I’ve posted.â€
I would only add that wwallace’s facts are spew lies that he regurgitates here. Wwallace, we call it what it is bulls**t, or in your case spew dribbling down you face, just enjoy being a moron with like morons (elsewhere) who will tell you that it is the “truth” dribbling down your chin.
November 6th, 2005 at 2:46 pmForTruth,
We didn’t just support Saddam from a distance, we helped fight Iran for him and along side of him.
November 6th, 2005 at 2:49 pmWwallace, wallace, wallace. You really must get your shit together here. I mean, I’m on your side but not when you make a fool out of yourself. Like that statement in #27 where you mention the “facts” you have supposedly posted. And that namecalling you mentioned, does that go for guys who call others “pimps” as you did in #6? Or you calling Marie a “criminal” because she dares to express her thoughts here? I mean, if you want some real namecalling, you should read some of my stuff—-and I’m just a simple, old redneck conservative.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but posting something here does not then make it a fact. Unless you are Sean Hannity, of course. Real facts are backed up with references, like the ones Judd uses. Your thin, baseless statements in support of the lies from the Bush/Cheney regime on Iraq’s WMDs or Saddam’s supposed ties to Al Queda are not facts. I mean, get a clue, pal. Even the sorry likes of Limbaugh and Hannity and the hate-streamed media of Faux News have given up on those “facts” and are reinventing the war as based on the spreading democracy.
Hey, talking about name calling, I have a funny thought for you: what you want to bet that VP Cheney has spent the past week using the “F” word every time he turns on TV or reads a paper? Heh, heh!
November 6th, 2005 at 2:56 pmThanks to Reagan and Rumsfeld, we sold Saddam much of his WMD programs that Clinton had to force dismantle.
Between 1985 and 1988, the nonprofit American Type Culture Collection made 11 shipments to Iraq that included a “witches’ brew of pathogens,” including anthrax, botulinum toxin and gangrene. All shipments were government-approved.
Between January 1980 and October 1993, the federal Centers for Disease Control shipped a variety of toxic specimens to Iraq, including West Nile virus and Dengue fever.
The U.S. Commerce Department and CDC provided lists of these shipments.
November 6th, 2005 at 2:57 pmSo can we arrive at the conclusion that the question asked in #34 is going unanswered?
I would also like to ask new questions of the Right wingers. Do you see a pattern of helping/supporting other countries/leaders and it coming back to bite us? Like the F-16’s we gave/sold to Venezuala, now a problem. The Saddam thing, which is going undisputed here. Also, is it just a coincidence that the assistence coming back to bite us involves countries with oil? I feel these problems could have been avoided with long ago effort to get off the oil teet. Like duh, we are a huge consumer of energy and we have to rely on it from somewhere else, maybe that is a weakness which needed to be addressed long ago, but big oil prevented it?
Any comments from the Right?
November 6th, 2005 at 3:06 pmMr. Wallace are you still with us?
November 6th, 2005 at 3:10 pmI don’t think that troll is even a republican. Republicans are in bed with the flu right now. He’s just a poor lonely a—–e getting some pleasure out of pissing off his neighbor.
November 6th, 2005 at 3:14 pmDoes the current threat to National Security have roots in what we were doing in the 1940’s? Carving out Isreal, and having the mentality that we can just take oil from other places? And oil power shaping the policies then and now? And who were the oil rich that shaped policy at the time?
All this stuff people are bitterly arguing about really started in the 40’s. Pushed by the original Texas oil politicains, which were of both political parties. However, which party has the most interest in oil, power, money?
Any comments from the Ann Coulter/Fox news club?
November 6th, 2005 at 3:17 pmSo instead of going off with name calling and focusing on narrow occurrances, we must ask the hard questions. It seems the Right has been silenced here, and that is the truest form of victory.
November 6th, 2005 at 3:23 pmThey either kind the subject or leave. The right is a bunch of spineless children.
Did you guys see Joe Scrabrough on Bill Maher. Talk about acting childish. Sheesh.
November 6th, 2005 at 3:26 pmOur VP is a liar. What will we tell the children??
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November 6th, 2005 at 4:26 pmi just read an AP story in my local daily paper – sorry, no link – “v.p. dick cheney made an unusual personal appeal to republican senators this week to allow CIA exemptions to a proposed ban on the torture of terror suspects in u.s. custody, according to participants in a CLOSED-DOOR SESSION” (emphasis mine)…
“cheney told his audience the united states doesn’t engage in torture, these participants added, even though he said the administration needed an exemption…in case the president decided one was necessary…
the v.p. made his comments at a regular weekly private meeting of Senate Republican senators…cheney often attends the meetings…but he rarely speaks.
in this case, the room was cleared of aides before the v.p. began his remarks, said by one senator to include a reference to classified material. the officials who disclosed the events spoke on condition of anonymity, citing the confidential nature of the discussion.”
huh…classified material in a private meeting with only republican senators? does that sound wrong to anyone else???
November 6th, 2005 at 4:38 pmOf course it’s wrong. He wasn’t met with a lot of enthusiasm. The troubling fact is that it occurred; that it was in front of only Republicans (which is usual for him); and that he feels it right and necessary to defend torture.
November 6th, 2005 at 5:45 pmWAIT a minute, wait just a dog gone minute . . . Is somebody here suggesting Cheney lied? I mean if Cheney is capable of lying to the public, what else might he do? What’s next, blow jobs in the White House?
November 6th, 2005 at 6:10 pmIf you read the entire article you will note that al-Liby aka “Scooter” was not believed from the start. WHen asked for names and type of chemicals being used he couldn’t answer. The consensus was that he was giving the interogaters the run around.
The re-canting is irrelevant, nobody believed him from day one which was long before Bushie invaded Iraq.
Cheney knows he’s going down so he’s claiming this is just an attack from the dems.
Other pugs are using the talking point, “the dems believed it too when voting on the case for war”.
Yes, I agree, the pugs WERE very good liars. We know now that when their lips are moving, they are lying.
November 6th, 2005 at 6:32 pmI would like to address the James Woolsey quote wwallace keeps posting here –it is a very interesting and worthy of comment, since it is hardly an unbiased opinion: That quote came straight out of memo by Douglas Feith “leaked†in an exclusive “scoop†originally published by The Weekly Standard on Nov 24th, 2003 while that media outlet (that has close ties to the Project for a New American Century) was still drumming up the case for the invasion of Iraq. Check the original article in The Weekly Standard website here: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp
The conservative think-tank Project for a New American Century (PNAC) has a very interesting membership:
Ronald Rumsfeld — Current US Secretary of Defence
Dick Cheney — Current vice-President of the US
Paul Wolfowitz — Former Undersecretary of Defence (under Rumsfeld) and current president of the World Bank.
Elliot Abrams — Assistant Secretary of State during the Reagan years and another Iran/Contra player.
Jeb Bush – Current governor of Florida and brother of Pres. Bush
William Kristol — Editor of the Weekly Standard and Chairman of the PNAC
I. Lewis “Scooter†Libby — Former Chief of Staff for VicePres Dick Cheney. Currently under indictment for obstruction of justice.
James Woolsey – Former Director of Central Intelligence in the CIA.
Check the PNAC’s website here: http://www.newamericancentury.org/index.html
The PNAC published an article in The Weekly Standard back in 1998 titled “How to attack Iraqâ€, where they advocated “to complete the unfinished business of the 1991 Gulf War and get rid of Saddam†–so the idea was hardly new.
Furthermore, James Woolsey was one of the signers of a letter 1998 from the PNAC to then-President Clinton urging him to implement “a strategy for removing Saddam’s regime from powerâ€. Mr. Woolsey has been a long-time advocate of a military action against Saddam Hussein.
With that background, it is easy to see why the quote should give everyone pause: The Feith memo is a compilation of inconclusive evidence, and anecdotal stories about Saddam Hussein’s WMDs. It quoted James Woolsey –a known hawk– and was “leaked†to The Weekly Standard –a hawkish media outlet with close ties to the PNAC, which is a neocon outfit.
Since the James Woolsey quote was published, Pres. Bush’s own 9/11 Commission has reported that they found no credible evidence of a “collaborative relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda†in the plot against the US. Watch the video here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5223932/
and read the full 9/11 Commission report here: http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/22/9.11.full.report/
According to the 9/11 Commission report, former National Security Adviser Richard Clarke’s office sent a memo to Rice on September 18, 2001 stating that “only some anecdotal evidence linked Iraq to al Qaeda.†Also, it “found no ‘compelling case’ that Iraq had either planned or perpetrated the [9/11] attacks.†It further “pointed out that Bin Ladin resented the secularism of Saddam Hussein’s regime.†It also said that “there was no confirmed reporting on Saddam cooperating with Bin Ladin on unconventional weapons.â€
Also, from the 9/11 Commission report:†Clarke has written that on the evening of September 12,President Bush told him and some of his staff to explore possible Iraqi links to 9/11. ‘See if Saddam did this,’ Clarke recalls the President telling them. ‘See if he’s linked in any way.’ While he believed the details of Clarke’s account to be incorrect, President Bush acknowledged that he might well have spoken to Clarke at some point, asking him about Iraq.â€
Pres. Bush, a few days after the attacks, was asking for a justification to attack Iraq. Facts and intelligence were going to be fixed around the policy, just like the Downing Street memo revealed later. Read the Downing Street memos here: http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/memos.html
In conclusion:
The notion that Saddam’s intelligence services had any ties to Al Qaeda has long been debunked.
The Clinton, Kerry quotes and the others are not “factsâ€, but the opinions of people who only had access to the same “intelligence†reports all of us were being fed by the Bush administration.
The Woolsey quote in the Feith memo is even worse: It is the opinion of a known hawk in a very suspect document “leaked†to a known hawkish publication.
The Bush administration had their mire on Iraq long before the 9/11 attacks –the attacks provided a very timely and convenient excuse to invade Iraq, a long neo-con dream, and secured the 2004 election of Pres. Bush (No, it was not a re-election. He was appointed the first time around).
November 6th, 2005 at 6:39 pmQ: What do the Wingnuts do when they’re really desperate to defend the indefensible?
A: They toss out the name George Soros.
Cons are too easy.
November 6th, 2005 at 7:43 pm“The connections between Saddam Hussein and terrorist organizations are clear and not based on a single source.”
The above was posted by the blatherer Wallace.
You’re a lying piece of excrement. We ought to tattoo a target on your sorry hiney and ship you to Fallujah with a case of chemical light sticks.
November 6th, 2005 at 7:56 pmWallace has ruined this forum. Adios.
November 6th, 2005 at 8:00 pm#55, Gregor, nice work.
November 6th, 2005 at 8:04 pmWill wwallace admit his mistake, try to defend or explain or stick with the same bs?
November 6th, 2005 at 8:05 pmThis is the story is was refering to in my #54 post.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051106/ap_on_go_co/senate_iraq
November 6th, 2005 at 8:07 pmWe all better be careful here, folks.
The FBI may be watching,… and taking notes!
(Welcome to America!)
I keep wondering why TP hasn’t made a thread about the expansion of the Patriot Act that should concern all us bloggers. I read it on Earthlink, and @ crooks and liars.
November 6th, 2005 at 8:31 pmThey can secretly investigate us. Probably have a file a mile long on Ryan Neat.
Anyone else hear the jack boots?……..
Thats where the ACLU comes in True Blue. They are prepared for this type of neocon injustice and can represent any American who is the victim of this injustice.
The Patriot Act is a scare tactic. Another sissy attempt to scare the American people.
November 6th, 2005 at 8:59 pm” Levin said the DIA’s declassified February 2002 report points out that “Saddam’s regime is intensely secular and wary of Islamic revolutionary movements. Moreover, Baghdad is unlikely to provide assistance to a group it cannot control.”
“Just imagine,” Levin said, “the public impact of that DIA conclusion if it had been disclosed at the time. It surely could have made a difference in the congressional vote authorizing the war.”
Yes, just imagine…Bushie would not have recieved approval for the invasion of Iraq.
No wonder, this article brings another “no comment” from the White House Administration.
November 6th, 2005 at 9:16 pmRe: the FBI; perhaps a good % of agents are tired of the Bush regime as are many in the CIA. Among the 50 plus percent of Americans who distrust and disapprove of Bush, some have to be at the FBI.
November 6th, 2005 at 9:22 pmReferring to the first interrogation report on al Qaeda senior military trainer Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, the DIA took note that the Libyan terrorist could not name any Iraqis involved, any chemical or biological material used or where the training occurred. As a result, “it is more likely this individual is intentionally misleading the debriefers,” a DIA report concluded.
Joe Wilson is a liar? If so then so is Feith. His intel wasn’t what Bushie wanted to hear either. Like Wilson’s it needed fixin.
Come out to play neocon chickenhawks.
Tell me how Wilson is a liar for reporting the truth but Feith isn’t.
Gottcha!
November 6th, 2005 at 9:23 pmFisbone’s prophetic lyrics written in 1985 ::
Fishbone – UGLY – you ain’t got no al-libi…
Boy you’ve got no reason and you’ve got no sense
Your stupid lies, it just makes me wince
Your face is twisted and your mind is warped
You scare me sick ‘cuz I just want to get out
All the children’s ?suffering? lies in your hands
Unless the commies are gonna heed your demands
Your mind is twisted and your flesh is warm
You scare me sick ‘cuz I just want to get out
U-G-L-Y you ain’t got no alibi, you’re just ugly
U-G-L-Y but you never wonder why you’re so ugly
U-G-L-Y you ain’t got no alibi, you’re just ugly
U-G-L-Y you ain’t got no alibi, you’re just ug, ugly ugly
Boy you’ve got no feelings and you’ve got no friends
You’re just a monkey that the masses defend
Your mind is twisted and your brain is ?raped?
You scare me sick ‘cuz I just have to escape
Boy you’ve got no method to control us all
For the mentalities are not that small
And now you’re thinkin’ that you have won
But the revolution has just begun!
U-G-L-Y you ain’t got no alibi, you’re just ugly
Cross my heart, hope to die, stick a needle in my eye, you’re just ugly
U-G-L-Y you ain’t got no alibi, you’re just ugly
U-G-L-Y you ain’t got no alibi, you’re just ug, ugly ugly
U-G-L-Y you ain’t got no alibi, you’re just ugly
November 6th, 2005 at 9:31 pmU-G-L-Y you ain’t got no alibi, you’re just ugly
U-G-L-Y you ain’t got no alibi, you’re just ugly
U-G-L-Y you ain’t got no alibi, you’re just ug, ugly ugly
I agree with you Mama. Bushie stabbed the CIA and FBI in the back and I doubt they have much loyalty to the shrub.
Like I said, pathetic scare tactic.
November 6th, 2005 at 9:31 pmSusan, thanks for the cite to the AP article on the DIA report debunking the claims that Iraq supported al-Qaida. Colin Powell helped propogate the misinformation about al-Qaida and Sadaam, long after the DIA report concluded it was suspect. So my question is where is Colin Powell? I thought he had a modicum of integrity. Has he said anything to anyone about sending Americans to die for a lie? Always too much the soldier, Powell was. Just following orders . . .
November 6th, 2005 at 10:18 pm#69, Mama,
November 6th, 2005 at 10:41 pmFor years, I held Powell above the rest of the jerks in this admin. He is a soldier, loyal to his Commander He made a Faustian deal when he joined George Bush; he sold his soul.
I have learned here, however, that he was involved in the coverup of certain events of the Viet Nam War. So his honorable reputation has become doubtful; after the Iraq debacle, he has lost any credibility he had retained.
Note Franks left. Zinni left. Generals don’t usually leave in the middle of a conflict; what did they know?
I’ve been waiting for Powell to come clean. I thought he had a shred of decency in him but in this case I was wrong.
November 6th, 2005 at 10:46 pmSusan, Powell’s is a carefully crafted image. Don’t rely on him for anything. Remember his role in the My Lai coverup and in Iran-Contra. Powell is a fake, he’s a PNAC in sheep’s clothing.
November 6th, 2005 at 11:05 pm70, I suspect the generals who left knew one thing at a minimum: their commander and chief was a boob amongst reckless neocon wolves . . .
November 6th, 2005 at 11:12 pmRemember Leona Helmsley? I think the hate in his heart must be bursting all that bypass surgery. Hope you can hold it together…..Dick
November 6th, 2005 at 11:20 pm#72, TTT, I think you are right. For a long time, I felt he had some honor left — that in his past, he was a loyal soldier — but gathering more information over the past few years about his involvement in other things, I have come to believe my previous estimation of him may have been too high. I believe you’re right when you say he is a member of the PNAC — his is a crafted persona. I look at his son who ran the FCC for a while, and the apple can’t fall far from the tree.
November 6th, 2005 at 11:33 pmAbout #62, “The FBI could be watching.” Well I actually think the CIA and FBI did a very good job at gathering and reporting intelligence. The problem was George Tenant not wanting to tell the President what the President did not want to hear. The leader of the CIA screwed his people. That’s why we hear about so many senior CIA officials quitting, they are pissed. It’s classic that the intelligence community becomes the whipping boy when the Executive Branch makes a bad policy decision. It’s happened before. So if the FBI or someone is watching, I would like to tell them that I respect their work, and I know they are not to blame for the so-called “intelligence failures”.
November 7th, 2005 at 12:35 amFor a complete colection of the latest PlameGate news, briefings, timelines, statutes and other essential documents, see:
“The PlameGate Scandal Resource Center.”
November 7th, 2005 at 1:37 amI am such an idiot!!!!! I was having a REPUGNICAN reaction.
Please forgive my support of the war CRIMINALS!!!
I REALLY DO HATE CHEENEY AND BUSH!!!
THEY ARE WAR CRIMINALS AND WILL be punished!!!
JUST LIKE HITLER!!!!!! AND GOEBELS.!!!!
They are EVIL AND WILL BE DESTROYED!!!!
They aren’t real Christians, they only PRETEND TO BE CHRISTIANS.
Forgive my stupidity in supporting those chickenhawk coward, war monger, hypocrits.
November 7th, 2005 at 1:57 am“The insurgents are in their last throes…”
Cheeney 2004
Really?
Spout your talking points to the NYT, let them print them and then qoute the times….
No longer working for you…. now RESIGN!
November 7th, 2005 at 1:59 amwALLACE IS an idiot, so am I…
We have changed our (names and minds)
We support the impeachement of WAR CRIMINALS BUSH AND CHEENEY!!!!
WE SUPPORT THEIR TORTURE AND TRIALS…….
We NOW SUPPORT the majority of Americans that BELIEVE THAT TORTURE is a WAR CRIME.
November 7th, 2005 at 2:01 amI am so sorry for having a REPUGNICAN breakdown….
I no longer support WAR CRIMINALS….
I SUPPORT AMERICANS AGAINST TORTURE AND CORPORATE STEALING…..
I want a fair trial for all the WAR CRIMINALS….BUSH, CHEENEY, ROVE, LIBBBY, DUMBSFAILED, CONDA SLEEZEY RICE, AND THE BUNCH.
SEND THEM TO GITMO…FOR A VACATION!!!!
November 7th, 2005 at 2:04 amCalling me names will never change the facts I’ve posted.
Comment by wwallace
AND IT WILL NOT CHANGE THE LIES YOU POST EITHER.
November 7th, 2005 at 2:05 amIf the CIA and FBI are looking at us blogging, they can kiss my big fat white AZZZZZ!~
Bush is an idiot!!!! He is no more qualified to be pRESIDENT than Miers is to be a judge on the SC!!!!
Bush is in bed with the Saudi royal family and the Bin Ladens…. They profit from war (see Carlyle Group) and supported
HITLER AND THE NAZIS….. (see prescott bush supports hitler and uses slave labor in germany)
They are Evil, and must be stopped NOW! Not later.
Bush-the-smarter (41) was involved in the Bay of pigs, Iran Contra and WATERGATE.
Again, they are Evil, and must be stopped NOW!!!!
If CIA and FBI is looking around, kiss my AZZZZZ!
See my post at Bushwatch.org (guests – 4th of July and I can’t celebrate)
Again, CIA, FBI, Nazi-act (patriot)…. Kiss my AZXZZZZ!
November 7th, 2005 at 2:16 amI will NOT MOVE TO THE BACK OF THE BUS!!!!!!!
Rosa Parks is my HERO!!!!!
November 7th, 2005 at 2:17 amWhat?
November 7th, 2005 at 8:23 amNo mention of Levin’s credibility issues?
Hey wwallace…what were the facts you refer us to?…some quote from Cheney partner-in-crime Woolsey isn’t really providing facts…Funny how these liberal sites let on dissenting opinions (unlike the “Free” Republic)…So…enlighten us please!
November 7th, 2005 at 10:20 amDid Harry Reid Hit Bill Frist This Week With The “Smoking Gun”?
Posted on Monday, November 07 @ 09:22:01 EST
—The intelligence document says that the US intelligence community knew as early as February 2002 that an Al Qaeda operative who was the source for the Bush Administration claims that Saddam was training Al Qaeda members in bomb-making and chemical weapons was indeed a fabricator. And who knew this? Rummy’s Defense Intelligence Agency. And yet what did Bush do eight months later in Cincinnati just before the war resolution?
“Among the first and most prominent assertions was one by Mr. Bush, who said in a major speech in Cincinnati in October 2002 that ‘we’ve learned that Iraq has trained Al Qaeda members in bomb making and poisons and gases.’â€
Some of you may say that “big deal; so Bush lied about this.†But keep in mind that we now know that the Bush Administration also knew as far back as January 2003 that the Niger uranium claim was based on forgeries. We know that the Bush Administration was also told that the aluminum tubes story was bogus before the invasion as well. We now know that the claim that Saddam was assisting Al Qaeda was also a lie, and that the Administration knew this from Rummy himself as far back as February 2002. And we know that the IAEA was still on the ground in Iraq and had not confirmed any of Bush’s claims that Saddam had definitively stockpiled WMDs in violation of the two UN resolutions that Bush based his war upon.
And why exactly is this so important? Because take a look at the certification that Bush sent to Congress to start the war, which was required in the October 2002 war resolution, and then see that as we suspected over two and a half years ago, Bush has a big problem now: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-1.html
This latest revelation means that at the time Bush justified the commencement of war against Iraq consistent with what was required under Public Law 107-243, he certified things not in evidence, and made claims to Congress (Saddam’s active operation of a WMD program and Saddam’s assistance to Al Qaeda) that he, Cheney, and Rummy already knew were false.
That may be why the Democrats just now made their stand this week. They have new evidence that Bush lied to Congress, and that the March 18, 2003 determination was faulty, and that Bush knew it was based on fabricators, faked documents, and doctored intelligence.
http://www.globalnewsmatrix.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3325
November 7th, 2005 at 10:22 amI come to this cesspool of a “debate” very late and haven’t read most of the comments, perhaps the first five or ten.
One thing I notice is that you guys on the Right, when faced with the obvious lying of the White House and the obvious manipulation of intelligence – and immediately before commencing the name-calling – always offer a barely-relevant aside that “Clinton’s people believed this stuff, too, so I guess that makes you Liberals hypocrites.”
Reality check: regardless of what the previous administration knew, didn’t know, thought they knew but were wrong, etc. – THEY DIDN’T INVADE IRAQ.
Your point doesn’t hold water. In fact, you might say, “in spite of a strongly-held belief that Saddam was seeking WMD & Noookyuhlur (GW’s pronunciation) weapons, the Clinton administration, after assessing the intelligence and conferring with experts on both sides of the political divide including his predecessor’s team, chose to heed the warnings of the broad consensus of the world’s most knowledgeable experts and hold off on an invasion.
Instead, we invaded with no plan for an occupation and with a one-man plan for postwar Iraq (Ahmed Chalabi). This, like everything else the White House has done since 9/11, was incompetently planned, based on ideology rather than reality, and clearly warned against.
And not by Liberals, my Right wing friends, but by everyone — including Brent Scowcroft and the president’s own father, who was faced with some similar choices years earlier.
I never in my wildest dreams imagined I would be wishing for a president like Junior’s dad… show’s how wrong you can be.
I love you all, right, left, and chicken wing, your negativity notwithstanding. America was a beautiful and fair country once upon a time and can be so again. Hope we get through this alive. Say a prayer for the common foot soldier.
Peace.
November 7th, 2005 at 12:56 pmRegarding Comment by wwallace–
Your CNN quote is incomplete. What Mr Woolsey said was, “AFTER READING THE ARTICLE IN THE WEEKLY STANDARD Anybody who says there is no working relationship between al Qaeda and Iraqi intelligence going back to the early ’90s–they can only say that if they’re illiterate. This is a slam dunk.†— James Woolsey, CIA director under President Bill Clinton, November 2003.
In the interview Mr. Woolsey he refers to a memo he has seen “on the web”, not seen when he was CIA.
So his source is not CIA intelligence, but the Weekly Standard.
Not the same thing.
November 7th, 2005 at 1:53 pmComment by Whacko from Waco:
Some guy said he invented the internet once.
Who was that guy?
November 7th, 2005 at 3:29 pmSunday Evening
just keeping things interesting. Lots of political chatter, but it’s beginning to slow down, in prep for a busy Monday, I guess.
November 7th, 2005 at 5:08 pmyabu,
Bush said he invented the internet, on the 6th day of creation. Didn’t you catch the press release?
November 7th, 2005 at 7:04 pmComment by Ryan Neat
Bush said he invented the internet, on the 6th day of creation. Didn’t you catch the press release?
I must admit I missed that one.
November 7th, 2005 at 8:27 pmPresident Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top administration officials repeatedly claimed that Iraq was providing al-Qaeda with training in chemical and biological weapons.
November 7th, 2005 at 11:33 pmThat was the point.
The chances are the info came from Torture a la Chainy.
Even when the victim stops screaming Cheney keeps to the lines, his lies.. more treason. Lying the nation into war for Haliburton profits.. (This is the bushism “WAR on TerrOr” (sic)Bush. “War IS terror” (Pilger)
Under US law.. (may still be around here somewhere dammit)treason during time of war is punishable by death.
Dumbya, crash-cart-cheeney, I-forindictment-libby, KKKarl, and the rest are WAR CRIMINALS.
Complete with Concentration Camps.
Who knows who is next? (probably the gays)
Ever notice that these bible thumping biggots are trying to re-christianize the world?
They cultivate hate, intollerance, and racism.
Welcome back to the Jim Crowe days!
Segregation will be back, seperate but un-equal will be the law….
Unless we stop these NAZIS!
CHIMPEACH!
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For your information there were links to Al Queda in Iraq. Also, WMDS and Uranium were found in Iraq. so you are the liars not the government.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:03 pm[...] We were told that Saddam was reconstituting his nuclear program and Iraq had WMDs. This was why we went to war, to protect the US from an attack by Iraq or its surrogates with WMDs. It was a pretty straightforward reason that we were told would be immediately proved true once our weapons inspectors got on the ground in Iraq and would look with a keener eye than any UN inspectors would dare use. [...]
March 27th, 2006 at 2:07 pm