Barnes: CIA Leak “Pretty Minor Scandal,” “Merely a Perjury Charge,” Only “Elites” Care
Barnes: CIA Leak “Pretty Minor Scandal,” “Merely a Perjury Charge,” Only “Elites” Care
Weekly Standard contributors Bill Kristol and Fred Barnes have been among the most passionate White House water carriers in recent weeks. Barnes gave an especially hacktacular performance this morning, saying of the leak scandal, “most people don’t care about it, nor should they.”
Most Americans don’t share Barnes’ perspective. A recent ABC News poll found that 70 percent of Americans considered the charges against Libby to be serious, 60 percent believe Karl Rove should resign, and a majority of Americans believe the Libby indictment “indicates broader problems with ethical wrongdoing in the Bush Administration.â€
Transcript below:
JON SCOTT: Fred, I guess I don’t get the sense that Americans, you know, across this great country are outraged about the Valerie Plame incident. They have some vague sense that something is amiss at the White House. But is it in the way this thing has been handled by the White House that has caused such problems, or is it in the way that Democrats have capitalized on the opportunity?
FRED BARNES: Well, Democrats have tried to capitalize on it. But Jon, I think you’re exactly right. There are things that happen in Washington the public really focuses on — hey hear, they’re aware of it, they pay attention to it — and then there are most things that happen in Washington involving government and they’re just background noise. And this is a pretty minor scandal, I believe, when it involves the chief of staff of the vice president, and merely a perjury charge and false statements, and no underlying crime has been cited by the special prosecutor, so no one was charged with leaking classified information. So I think this is a scandal that elites across America and people who are really interested in politics and Washington are aware of, but most people don’t care about it, nor should they.
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Weekly Standard contributors Bill Kristol and Fred Barnes have been among the most passionate White House water carriers in recent weeks…
Well now, they can afford to be. They aren’t up for re-election in leass than a year.
November 8th, 2005 at 11:50 amBecause deceiving everybody in order to illegally invade and occupy a country, ending up getting two thousand Americans and lack of God knows how many Iraqis slaughtered, isn’t nearly as serious a crime as, oh, say, a blowjob.
November 8th, 2005 at 11:57 am“Brown Eye” Barnes web address, please. He needs to be showered with affection.
November 8th, 2005 at 12:02 pmMore like Koolaid Carriers.
BTW – I see Barnes has a book about Bush coming out 1/17/2006 “Rebel in Chief : Inside the Bold and Controversial Presidency of George W. Bush” :puke:
November 8th, 2005 at 12:02 pmSure, THAT one was minor. But Hastert and Frist are foaming at the mouth to find out who leaked the “black site” prison stories to the Washington Post.
Blowing our WMD monitoring capabilities is just a college prank. But woe to the bastards who told the world we’re operating a worldwide Torture Gulag!
Glad we have our priorities straight.
November 8th, 2005 at 12:04 pmI don’t think Fred “Beetle Bailey” Barnes has an exact e-mail address – you can try editor@weeklystandard.com
November 8th, 2005 at 12:05 pmOnly days after a bludgeoning behind closed doors in the Senate, Republican Senator Pat Roberts is insisting that there is no evidence of “political manipulation or pressure” in the use of pre-war intelligence.
Unfortunately for Roberts, a growing mountain of evidence suggests otherwise…
For the full story, see:
“Roberts’ Iraq Stonewall Crumbles.”
November 8th, 2005 at 12:05 pmPatrick Fitzgerald, of course, is right. Establishing the truth about the path to war in Iraq is not his job, but that of Congress or the White House. Sadly, when it comes to finding definitive answers regarding the Bush administration’s uses of pre-war intelligence, neither Republican-controlled institution seems too concerned about the truth…
For the full story, see:
“Fitzgerald, Iraq and the Truth About Pre-War Intelligence.”
November 8th, 2005 at 12:06 pmThe Weakly Blowhard
http://www.weeklystandard.com/
November 8th, 2005 at 12:06 pmExcuse me Fred, my elite ass sees this as a major scandal. Note how they isolate the average voters as not really concerned. Why wont they answer the question if it’s not such a big deal, mainly, THEN WHY IS SCOOTER LEEKY BEING CHARGED WITH LYING TO A GRAND JURY? Aren’t these the guys who’d love to get the exclusionary rule thrown out. Remember Iran Contra, if Cap Weinberger didn’t do anything wrong why was he pardoned?
November 8th, 2005 at 12:11 pmWe conservatives are tough on crime!,except when the crime is our own. Torture,murder,rape,fraud,treason, thievery,perjury etc.. Aren’t our jails filled to overflowing with the less fortunate perpetrators of the same crimes?
November 8th, 2005 at 12:16 pmHere’s a nice wrap up from CNN on:
How the Bush administration sold the Iraq War to American people
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9962149/
Crooks and Liars has the video:
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hardball-Runuptothewar.wmv
November 8th, 2005 at 12:17 pmHere is alink to the exclusionary rule please see Weeks V. United States
November 8th, 2005 at 12:20 pmcaselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment04/06.html
Right, its a minor scandal… all that lying and perjury just lead us into a very un-importnant war and the un-important deaths of thousands of people… Nothing really…
November 8th, 2005 at 12:23 pm…nor should they?
Excuse me. He did NOT just tell the American people what they should or should not care about – did he? These clowns don’t even try to pretend they aren’t kool-aid peddlers anymore do they?
November 8th, 2005 at 12:23 pmHere is agreat link to IRAN/CONTRA
November 8th, 2005 at 12:37 pmhttp://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/part_xi.htm
HERE IS THE LAST PARAGRAPH: “The lesson of Iran/contra is that if our system of government is to function properly, the branches of government must deal with one another honestly and cooperatively. When dispute arises between Executive and Legislative branches, as they surely will, the laws that emerge from disputes must be obeyed. When a President, even with good motive and intent, chooses to skirt the laws or to circumvent them, it is incumbent upon his subordinates to resist, not join in. THEIR OATH AND FEALTY ARE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND THE RULE OF LAW, NOT TO THE MAN WHO TEMPORARILY OCCUPYING THE OVAL OFFICE. Congress has the duty and the power under our system of checks and balances to ensure that the President and his Cabinet officers are faithful to their oaths. End. Thanks for reading this TFM
Back in July, Perrspectives took a look at the Top 10 GOP sound bites. What a difference a hurricane and two indictments make.
Catapulting to #1 in the charts after the Scooter Libby indictment is Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison’s smash hit, “No Underlying Crime (Perjury Technicality).” “Ongoing Investigation”, the previous chart-topper from Scott McClellan and George W. Bush, dropped to #2. Moving to #5 is “Criminalization of Politics”, as performed by Tom Delay, Ken Mehlman, Bill Kristol and Robert Novak.
Here’s the complete Top 10 GOP Post-Indictment Sound Bites…
November 8th, 2005 at 12:37 pmI know this is off topic, but I think everyone should be made aware of this.
Casualty rate increasing in Iraq
by kos
Tue Nov 08, 2005 at 10:09:27 AM PDT
In October, the daily KIA rate of US forces in Iraq was 3.19. In November, it is up to 3.5 per day. That’s seven killed every two days. In September, it was a “good” 1.74 per day. And that’s just US mostly US troops.
http://www.dailykos.com/
IMPEACH BUSH.
November 8th, 2005 at 12:39 pmSomeone should research these guys comments and opinions about Bill’s illicit blow job while he was in the White House. I am sure it will be enlightening.
I think on the rictor scale of scandal a CIA leak ranks much higher than an extramarital affair.
November 8th, 2005 at 12:44 pmI want to know what Bush has on these guys. What’s he blackmailing them with? Photos of them in compromising positions with the White House gay whore Jeff Gannon? They have the nerve to say, oh, it’s nothing. Let this scenario play out against a Democrat president, and they’d be frothing at the mouth screaming for an impeachment.
November 8th, 2005 at 12:47 pmThe obvious answer to avoid our Politicians having to vote on any war, especially one where the facts were twisted to basically coerse a supporting vote, IS TO BRING BACK THE DRAFT. Here is a great article by Charles Rangle (D,NY)
November 8th, 2005 at 12:49 pmhttp://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/
Here is a real peace agenda item for the Democratic Party.
I think all the jokesters are right — unless Bush gets a BJ in the White House, there is no “serious” matter of concern.
November 8th, 2005 at 1:00 pm#21 – the problem is that they refuse to use the same “offense” scale for the Democrats and Republicans. The Democrat scale goes from making personal phone calls on government phones (lowest offense) to getting a blow job while in office (highest offense – punishable by impeachment). The Republican scale includes only one offense – nominating a Supreme Court justice who may or may not vote against abortion. Anything other than that is merely a Democratic political opportunity.
November 8th, 2005 at 1:01 pmAs #6 RDL, so correctly point out — there is HUGE outrage (Frist and Hastert in charge) on the Hill to find out how the story of the USA “black” prisons across Europe managed to get into the Wash. Post and subsequently, the talk shows on Sunday.
November 8th, 2005 at 1:09 pmSo, when our government exposes a CIA agent, when our President began an unjust and unwarranted war based on false information and forged documents, then lied to the public about it, those are all just background noise by the nasty liberals, and you just don’t bother your little head about it.
But when another of our shameful scandals surfaces, like black prisons, or illegal use of weaponry in Iraq and Afghanistan, or anti-Geneva Convention practices at detention centers, the righteous Republicans demand an investigation to see who leaked, who lied, and who will be punished.
Barnes and Kristol do not care for the truth (period). Apologists and charlatans are the only ones to support this corrupt Administration. Mr. Barnes and Mr. Kristol, until you can help the American people discover the lies that led us to this miserable time and space, good day! I said good day! -Kevo
November 8th, 2005 at 1:12 pmrawstory.org has the following headline
Senate Democrats to hold press conference asking
Bush to pledge he won’t pardon Libby
richb
November 8th, 2005 at 1:15 pmI don’t agree with most of what Mr. Barnes says, but he does make one correct point. Among my peers at work, the gym and family…no one is paying attention to the scandal, which I think is scandalous…
our local radio station wbal.com has a morning host that does Man on The Street type interviews on current events and the answers are sad to listen to, as the interviewees are very ill informed.
richb
November 8th, 2005 at 1:17 pm#25
“The Republican scale includes only one offense – nominating a Supreme Court justice who may or may not vote against abortion. Anything other than that is merely a Democratic political opportunity.”
Look there isn’t one single person here that doesn’t know that Bush and friends started an illegal war. Go peddle your cover-up somewhere else. We aren’t buying.
November 8th, 2005 at 1:19 pm#29
“our local radio station wbal.com has a morning host that does Man on The Street type interviews on current events and the answers are sad to listen to, as the interviewees are very ill informed.”
The republican machine counts on the average person ability to not understand what is going on around them. The republican lies wouldn’t work if everybody paid attention.
November 8th, 2005 at 1:20 pmFred, Fred, Fred. Where do you and that sorry-assed dipstick Jon Scott get such crap? He lies and you swear to it. Even a conservative rightwinger like me can’t swallow down a turd that big.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but your limited credibility is sliding down the toilet, pal. I mean, even people like NED and mighty aphrodite are starting to smell the stench coming out from under the door of the Fox News restroom.
November 8th, 2005 at 1:27 pmRichB,
That’s more a reflection of how stupid you and your friends are than anything else. But we’ve clearly established that already.
November 8th, 2005 at 1:30 pmhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051108/ap_on_go_co/congress_media;_ylt=A9G_RxIi73BDILYAuReyFz4D;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA–
The GOP will hit backa nd hit back hard. Next up, Harry Reid’s crooked behavior in Nevada.
Two can play the corruption game – only difference is one has subponea power.
November 8th, 2005 at 1:31 pm#30 – I was being sarcastic Spudge. My point was that there seems to be no offense (other than Harriet Myers) for which the Republicans seem to want to hold this administration accountable. My reference to Democratic “political opportunity” came straight from the Jon Scott’s quote above. I agree and it is unfathomable to me that the same Republicans who wanted Clinton hanged for lying are now shamelessly covering up for the war that this white house manipulated us into.
November 8th, 2005 at 1:32 pmBill Kristol and Fred Barnes are just trying to sweep all of the crimes of this administration under the rug where many Americans like them to be. People in general hate to think and especially hate to be wrong!
The only thing Kristol and Barnes care about is the PNAC agenda continuing forward and damn all else. They don’t care what the American People think, do or say. They certainly don’t care about our well being or our future.
November 8th, 2005 at 1:33 pmYou two-faced, crooked, corrupt, liberal dorks all talk like sissy girly men. Why don’t you do something productive instead of whining to each other about everything. How about laying out a coherent detailed plan for the way you believe everything should work. Then list your priorities and promote them. You should realize by now that whatever you’ve been doing hasn’t been working at all for you guys. Oh, don’t get me wrong, I like the way things are now, I just would like to see a list of some of your hairbrained ideas and how you would implement them.
November 8th, 2005 at 1:35 pmYeah, those “half full” talking points have been re-issued. Some ass clown on the Anderson Cooper show spewing this garbage lastnight. How do these guys get platforms?
November 8th, 2005 at 1:36 pmAmericanPie,
November 8th, 2005 at 1:39 pmThe official Dem strategy is to say nothing that will cause you to have talking points other than how morally bankrupt you guys are.
You guys wanted a monopoly? Now you got it! Sink or float you wet turd!
#37
Actually everything is going great and is starting to get even better. We are getting indictments, investigations and resignations. From my side of the fence, this is turning out to be one heckuva year.
November 8th, 2005 at 1:39 pm#35
Glad to hear it was sarcasm.
I still stand behind the fact that the NeoCons want the American public to stay asleep.
November 8th, 2005 at 1:39 pmsissy girly men get the best chicks.
November 8th, 2005 at 1:40 pmare they trying to trick us into believing this crap?
“This is not the president you want to impeach.”
-This is not the president I want to impeach.
“Bush can go on his way.”
-Bush can go on his way.
got news for ya, Bill and Fred – I don’t fall for them neocon mind tricks! just call me Watto…
November 8th, 2005 at 1:42 pm#40 – it will be going even better when the GOP starts investigating Democrats. AND it looks like that will start happening with this CIA WaPo leak.
November 8th, 2005 at 1:42 pmHow dare NED threaten to expose all the crooks! WHAT will that do to our democracy?!
November 8th, 2005 at 1:42 pm“Alito is against race based preferences like affirmative action – like most of America is. That is a good thing.â€
“Bush can appoint Condi to VP and try to “heal†the country. The first female and black VP – major achievementâ€
“he will pack the Court with judges that think like me!”
-Northeast Dilemma
November 8th, 2005 at 1:44 pmHey Ned – You’re slipping, you forgot to include your word of the week, Crush, in your post… the GOP will dock your pay for this oversight!
November 8th, 2005 at 1:44 pmI told you guys before – ignore NeD. No contructive additions to the thread. Just CRUSH, LOSERS, HATE, ANTI AMERICAN, GOP, GET YOU, LIVE WITH IT, blather, all of it!
November 8th, 2005 at 1:50 pmUp against the wall bushie….let’s just see if he’ll pledge NOT to pardon libby…hmmm????. Barns is just the same ol,same ol. republican mouth piece..bla bla.
November 8th, 2005 at 1:52 pmI for one would welcome a CIA/WaPo leak investigation for all the crap it would reveal about our current administration… though Bush lost credibility with many people long ago (if he ever had it at all), having proof that we are operating secret prisons kind of dimishes Bush’s (fallback) argument that we removed Saddam because he was doing bad, illegal things… oh, and that Democratic senator could rescind his apology for using the word “gulag” in a speech… word is, Soviet-era prisons in Poland and Romania are being used!
November 8th, 2005 at 1:53 pmwhich brings up an irony… we worked to elimate Soviet occupation/influence in Eastern Europe, only to operate gulags there ourselves? whew!
November 8th, 2005 at 1:55 pmLooks like the Dems are staying on point:
November 8th, 2005 at 1:58 pmhttp://rawstory.com/news/2005/Democratic_senators_call_on_Bush_to_1108.html
I always laugh when I see that show billboarded:
***** The Beltway Boys *****
Hmm…Barnes & Kondracke…their combined age is, what, 118?
Possible alternative:
***** Two Old Shmucks *****
November 8th, 2005 at 1:59 pmKristol , Barnes O’Reilly and co all prostitutes would say anything , jump as high as the bushes wants them to.
November 8th, 2005 at 2:00 pmDisgusting and as abhorent as all the politicians who keep silent
Fred-
I think you need to see an eye doctor. Those glasses are 4 sizes too small for your head. That’s causing 2 basic problems:
(1) your eyes are fixiating on your brown nose, distorting your ability to see clearly.
(2) the glass frames are pressing too tightly against your temples, causing a constriction of blood flow to the brain, which is obviously muddying your cognitive processes.
Suggest getting contacts…you’ll be arguing for impeachment in no time.
November 8th, 2005 at 2:05 pmNED’s back with the “look over there!” strategy to try to take everyone’s attention away from the true criminals, Bush & Co. Nice try, NED. Back to the schoolyard with you. No one’s falling for that trick anymore. The hot white light is on Bush now, and his two-inch think pancake makeup is cracking under the heat.
November 8th, 2005 at 2:14 pm#37
I totally agree with you. You’ll never get what you are asking for though because as a party under the leadership of Dean, they just are not capable of it. All they know is to attack, attack, attack. I can’t wait to see them squirm when the investigation on the Post heats up. Should be fun.
November 8th, 2005 at 2:15 pmJohn Fund would enjoy a duet with Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison. They could twang right along with the kool aid bucket brigade!
Hmmmmmmm!
When your hero’s gone wrong,
you’ll hear us sing our lying song.
We’ll be right there in his defense, you see!
We assume you trust us, right there on NBC!
But, we’re so bad we can’t stop there,
for George, you’ll see us everywhere!
Wherever you’re looking,
you’ll find us cooking
up our brew for you!
Hmmmmmm!!!! Drink on without delay!
Hmmmmm!!! We’ll we back another day!
———–
John Fund does more than his share, … he’s a heavy lifter.
November 8th, 2005 at 2:18 pmRandy,
You and your party are nothing but a den of ‘attack, attack, attack’, you’re a hypocrite and a retarded fool.
November 8th, 2005 at 2:19 pmperhaps this WaPo investigation will be taken seriously by the GOP? undermining national security through a leak hasn’t bothered them before! why should it now?
regardless, it’ll be interesting to see if the “leaker” is actually a disgruntled Repub who is fed up with what Bush has done to his party’s tenets…
November 8th, 2005 at 2:19 pmRingo – the true criminals are the liars in the Democratic Party. Joe Wilson is a criminal too. Had he not tried to exploit his wife’s position to attack the Admin, she would have never been outed.
November 8th, 2005 at 2:19 pmThe neo-con chicken hawks swarming in for a attack.\
“Had he not tried to exploit his wife’s position to attack the Admin, she would have never been outed.”
Proof?? Evidence?? Or is this your opinion again NED the chickenhawk??
November 8th, 2005 at 2:24 pm#29,
November 8th, 2005 at 2:26 pmTo your point, the population of the US is about 300 million. Take out for minors, then 200 milion are potential voters, only 104 million voted in the last election, so about 1/3 of the country or 1/2 of elegavle voters don’t give a shit. They live their life and give nothing of themself to country or community, how sad.
Everyone posting here should run out and buy this book.
http://www.newsmax.com/adv/doasisay/?PROMO_CODE=168A-1
November 8th, 2005 at 2:27 pmMein Kamph? Naaa. Why, when I could just borrow it from one of you guys.
November 8th, 2005 at 2:34 pm#44
Bring it on bitch!
#57
Bring it on b!tch!
#61
“Had he not tried to exploit his wife’s position to attack the Admin, she would have never been outed.”
Bad NeD. There you go admitting that she was outted. I didn’t think you could out a non-covert operative. Interesting.
November 8th, 2005 at 2:34 pmGot a book on Rumsfeld supporting Saddam and then opposing him? Or Cheney selling nuclear parts to Iran?
A tad more consequential than owning stock or setting up trusts, don’t you think?
November 8th, 2005 at 2:35 pmMorality is not a Democratic platform, so it’s not particularly logical to nitpick them for it.
November 8th, 2005 at 2:36 pmI vote we all pretend that Fred Barns is a figment of our imagination and he will eventually just fade away (kind of like a taco fart).
Scientific shocker: Study: Euthanizing Right-wing Pundits would Solve Global Warming
November 8th, 2005 at 2:36 pmThanks Ryan, it actually got by me.
November 8th, 2005 at 2:37 pm“Alito is against race based preferences like affirmative action – like most of America is. That is a good thing.â€
“Bush can appoint Condi to VP and try to “heal†the country. The first female and black VP – major achievementâ€
“he will pack the Court with judges that think like me!
“Had he not tried to exploit his wife’s position to attack the Admin, she would have never been outed.â€
-Northeast Dilemma
November 8th, 2005 at 2:39 pmPete,
Republicans are the reason we have national security problems.
Republicans installed Dictator in iran by overthrowing democracy.
Republicans sold Plutonium Nuclear reactors to said dictator.
Republicans sold WMDs to Saddam
Republicans sold conventional weapons to Saddam
Republicans trained, funded and equiped AlQueda to fight Russia
Republicans are a threat to national security!
November 8th, 2005 at 2:40 pmBut Ryan, thats not as important as the fact that Al Franken mostly hired white people in the last 15 years:O That’s the REAL issue in America!
HAHAHAHHHAHA. Stupid republicans.
November 8th, 2005 at 2:43 pmJeremy – you’re the chickenhawk.
To all who say bring it on – don’t worry about that. The GOP will fight fire with fire and as usual, you anti-American liars will get burned.
But I want so much more than just the WaPo’s head on a platter. I want to find out why Harry Reid is funneling $$ back home to Nevada. I want to know why Nancy Pelosi is threatening those in her caucus who will not rubber stamp her witch hunt against the Administration. The GOP needs to destroy the left once and for all. You have been begging for it for years now.
November 8th, 2005 at 2:43 pmLet me just say, Republicans fall for anything that is fed to the,m on the right.
November 8th, 2005 at 2:44 pmJeremy,
That’s because republicans are delusional fools.
November 8th, 2005 at 2:45 pm#37AP How about my post #23 for starters, Next how about reviving the Civilian Conservation Corps, to help rebuild New Orleans this could be done with local college students to help offset tutuion costs sorta like the GI Bill did. Then all Gas refineries would be treated like Nuclear power Plants, including security and protect them from national disasters. Repaeal portions of the Patriot Act, specifically the provision regarding Library record searches by the FBI. Iraq, commission the Chineese army to surround the whole country and monitor all people coming and going untill the new govt. kicks in and then pay them in oil.
November 8th, 2005 at 2:47 pmEnforce the immigration laws against employers, not just Wall-Mart, for hiring Illegal Immigrants, IE: The construction Business. Create an Interest Income tax break, say all tax free if 5% was donated to the Dept. of Education. Next nationalize all first responders to any high level federal emergency just like the National Guard, but mainly Fire/ Rescue and Health care workers. Create a national program with thousands of retirees as a test program for using a protected amount of Social Security supplements in investments. That way we would know what works and what didn’t. All of this would cost less than what we’ve spent in Iraq. Doubt too many body bags to go with it. I got your whining right here. I’m so gald you align yourself with the GOP. You Mean the GOP , the party of SMALLER GOVT, you mean the PARTY OF STATES RIGHTS, you mean the PARTY OF INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS, you mean the PARTY OF THE RULE OF LAW. You must be real proud of you GRAN OLE PARTY OF PORK. There you go and thank you for your suggestions.
#74
“The GOP will fight fire with fire and as usual, you anti-American liars will get burned.”
“The GOP needs to destroy the left once and for all.”
Burned, destroy, crush. Dude, you sound like a super villian.
As a progressive, I welcome investigations into the entire government. Nobody should be immune. Get rid of all of ‘em and start over.
See, NeD, unlike you, I don’t toe the party line. I would never back anybody because of a color (red or blue), because they are liberal or conservative or republican or democrat.
That is a bad thing. You need to learn that.
Bring it on b!tch!
November 8th, 2005 at 2:48 pmI’m just thrilled to learn I’m one of the “Elite!”
November 8th, 2005 at 2:53 pmAmericanPie,
November 8th, 2005 at 2:57 pmLiberals/Democrats do have a position, DON’T BE EVIL, works for me
Bahaha, newsmax. Randy might as well refer to the national enquirer! The chances of getting a true story are greater from the enquirer tabloid than that right wing virtual toilet paper!
Bahahaha, Randy now we all know you’re not only a fool, but the most easily duped redneck moron in the crew! Bahahaha
For those that don’t know newsmax, it’s funded by the Scaife Nazi dollars that brought you paula jones and every clinton and swiftboat smear around.
Scaife, the third-largest shareholder in NewsMax Media Inc., has been called the “Funding Father of the Right” by a Washington Post article on May 2, 1999: “The Washington Post found that “Scaife and his family’s charitable entities have given at least $340 million to conservative causes and institutions — about $620 million in current dollars, adjusted for inflation … by concentrating his giving on a specific ideological objective for nearly 40 years, and making most of his grants with no strings attached, Scaife’s philanthropy has had a disproportionate impact on the rise of the right, perhaps the biggest story in American politics in the last quarter of the 20th century.”
November 8th, 2005 at 2:59 pmboudicca,
You have a functional brain, to a republican that automatically qualifies you as ‘elite’.
November 8th, 2005 at 3:00 pm#44 Dilemma,
Good that the R’s are looking for answers on the gulag leak. The more time they spend shining light on the fact that we’re torturing people, the better the chance that the American people will wake up and realize what’s being done in their name. So investigate away and make sure it gets lots and lots of press coverage.
Man that Frist is one dumb bastard.
November 8th, 2005 at 3:00 pmI agree #78. If there is corruption in any parts of the Democratic party, then I would want a full investigation. Any corruption is not good for those who represent the public.
NED – “The GOP needs to destroy the left once and for all. You have been begging for it for years now.”
Destroy?? Then that would leave no political opposition, are you asking for a one party system? A one party system in cahoots with the corporations. That sounds like Fascism to me. Wow, Ryan, your 100% correct when you label these chickenhawks as Fascists, they even admit it in their own words!:O
That’s extremely disturbing.
November 8th, 2005 at 3:00 pmBarnes is just exposing the high and mighty leftist posers as being “out there” and meaningless to the avg. American. Your kind can’t be more than 10% of the population.
November 8th, 2005 at 3:07 pmYou moonbats are like the annoying crows that dive bomb and pick at the tail feathers of the majestic birds of prey who are at the top of the food chain.
I guess there is a double standard. Clinton was impeached for lying but it’s ok for the Republican to lie.
November 8th, 2005 at 3:08 pmBlah, blah, blah NeD. Enough already. We all know you want to murder rape rob and pillage. Sorry, dude, you are in the wrong country and wrong era. You are some kind of violent weirdo though. Seek help.
November 8th, 2005 at 3:12 pmJeremy,
They are fascist. Unlike Frist and the republican retards, I use language precisely.
Fascism=Corporatism=Republicanism=Nazism
Republicans don’t believe in an opposition movement because they are deluded by the preconception, opinion and blind zealot faith that they are right. In otherwords they’re psychotic fascists.
Yes, I know there are a few reasonable people that have been blinded by republican promises that don’t always represent this – Joe Wilson is a republican that fit this mold – but as we’ve seen, the reasonable people have largely abandoned the republicans. Only the Nazis are left.
November 8th, 2005 at 3:17 pmHey, NED. Just following your posts here. I appreciate your help here trying to help me with the conservative spin on stuff, but lets face it: we are flat getting our asses handed to us. I did like that crack in #74 calling Jeremy a chickenhawk, but he said it first in #62, making your take pretty lame.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but your arguement is a little thin, honey. That remark calling Joe Wilson a criminal was out of line. Was that the same Joe Wilson who was a highly respected diplomat and served as Pres. George H. W. Bush’s ambassador to Gabon? The one who also donated a $1,000 to junior’s campaign in 2000? You know what junior’s father said about him? That he was “truly inspiring” and “courageous” following his actions in Iraq that led to the First Gulf War. I mean, you aren’t calling George the First a liar, are you?
Speaking of liars, NED, what’s your take on that blowhard Fred Barnes? I mean, is his tired shit flakey or what?
November 8th, 2005 at 3:18 pmApparently Trent Lott has revealed that the leak to WaPo regarding the gulag situation was from a GOP Senator.
Dilemma, what do you think about the GOP “fighting back” hard now? Huh?
Like I said, Frist is one dumbfu*k. Not to mention the fact that Trent Lott is absolutely killing him. So nice to see Republicans eating their own.
November 8th, 2005 at 3:42 pmNeD and the others eat their own young. Like I said on another thread, the trolls here have Stockholm Syndrome and are akin to Patty Hurst. It is painful to see the denial, but starting to be entertaining to watch them fallout.
November 8th, 2005 at 3:44 pmIronic post, Jay.
November 8th, 2005 at 3:45 pmFrist has to be THE most inept leader the Republican has ever seen. Sheerly and utterly incompetant, petulant and the leader of the pack lemmings.
Remember the Republicans wanting a “permanant Republican majority”. Was that in the same way that the Third Riech would reign for “1000 years”.?
-GSD
The friendly fascism is getting a little more mean these days.
November 8th, 2005 at 3:48 pmJay,
DOOOHHHH! That’s very funny!
Just goes to show you republican hypocrisy. NED, do you still believe we should investigate? Maybe we should remove the republican senator – yet another seat available for democrats! I’m for it!
November 8th, 2005 at 3:48 pmWell Dilemma, are you still behind the investigation of the leak to WaPo or not? I would LOVE to know where you stand on this story since you were so hopped up about it at 1:40 this afternoon. Ouch! Things change so fast when you throw your support behind liars. Don’t hurt yourself spinning in the other direction now…K.
November 8th, 2005 at 3:51 pmSenator Trent Lott (R-MS) told CNN’s Ed Henry Tuesday afternoon that he believed it was a Republican senator who gave information about secret CIA jails abroad to the Washington Pos.
Lott said that much of the information contained in the Post report — which stated that the U.S. was holding terrorist suspects in secret CIA jails overseas — was discussed at a meeting of Republican senators last Tuesday.
November 8th, 2005 at 3:53 pmBarnes is just exposing the high and mighty leftist posers as being “out there†and meaningless to the avg. American. Your kind can’t be more than 10% of the population.
48% and rising, actually.
You moonbats are like the annoying crows that dive bomb and pick at the tail feathers of the majestic birds of prey who are at the top of the food chain.
Okay, those of us who live among birds of prey know they don’t get bit by crows. If your bird is getting bit by crows, it ain’t at the top of the food chain. If your bird allows itself to be dive-bombed by a crow, it ain’t majestic.
Also, birds need tailfeathers. Without them, they auger in, like the Republican party is doing now.
November 8th, 2005 at 3:57 pmOf course it was a republican leaking to the WP, the dems would never be privvy to that info…has the administration gotten too evil for its own good…i hope this is only the beginning of rep pols worried about their seats turning on the administrition…now we just have to remember next November to thank them for the info and NOT let them back in
November 8th, 2005 at 4:04 pm#85
“Barnes is just exposing the high and mighty leftist posers as being “out there†and meaningless to the avg. American. Your kind can’t be more than 10% of the population.”
Actually, we make up 57% of the country and growing. You need to pay attention to what is going on around you. Get out of the cave every now and then.
November 8th, 2005 at 4:06 pmWe’re only 10%? We were 48% a year ago. I guess Bush has been working hard and earned the trust of a great many of us since then.
I’m calling the local Republican party to see if they accept liberals into their organization. Like NED said, don’t you want to be on the winning side ;-)
November 8th, 2005 at 4:13 pmNeD once again scurries off with his tail between his legs. He a post and run kind of guy. Just like a republican, never in it for the long haul and has answers.
November 8th, 2005 at 4:13 pmNED,
Do you know what the term “chicken hawk” is used to describe?
Once again, you are confusing “Political Dissent” and being “anti-American.” Being anti-government or having your own perspective on how you think the country should function, no matter how far it strays from popular view or the current system, is not “anti-American.” It’s political freedom. Free-thinking. Objective reason. If you want a political system that is based on the wants and needs of the people, for the people and by the people, then you have to accept political differences, embrace them and learn from them.
Unfortunately, the leaders today apparently have you confused to the point where you think only having two parties and they must be polar opposites out to kill each other, is the only way. This is not the way things should be.
“States are not moral agents.” -Chomsky
November 8th, 2005 at 4:14 pmYou two-faced, crooked, corrupt, liberal dorks all talk like sissy girly men. Why don’t you do something productive instead of whining to each other about everything. How about laying out a coherent detailed plan for the way you believe everything should work. Then list your priorities and promote them. You should realize by now that whatever you’ve been doing hasn’t been working at all for you guys. Oh, don’t get me wrong, I like the way things are now, I just would like to see a list of some of your hairbrained ideas and how you would implement them.
Comment by AmericanPie — November 8, 2005 @ 1:35 pm
Things were much better the way they were going before. There never were any problems or crises. All manufactured by right wing think tank brainwash. And Bush lost the popular and electoral vote in 2000. And it’s starting to look like he would have lost it in 2004, except for the “funny business” in Ohio and Flotida again. And before you open your mouth, that’s all going to come out, like every other filthy thing you corrupt, lying pieces of shit have done. Eat your own American Shit Pie and Die, bitch!
November 8th, 2005 at 4:22 pmBarnes is just exposing the high and mighty leftist posers as being “out there†and meaningless to the avg. American. Your kind can’t be more than 10% of the population.
You moonbats are like the annoying crows that dive bomb and pick at the tail feathers of the majestic birds of prey who are at the top of the food chain.
Comment by Red — November 8, 2005 @
If we are 10%. That makes you about 1%. It’s more like 10% you, 60% us. Can you run fast or are you just good at digging?
November 8th, 2005 at 4:26 pmSo NED,
you really are for an imbalance of power.
Also, for many years government has relied upon most people not voting or caring about politics. The blogging and internet have helped to curb this. That’s why Forbes magazine recently had a story “Attack of the Blogs” portraying blogs to be evil.
NED has not once responded to any of my comments questions. So please don’t respond NED.
November 8th, 2005 at 4:32 pmBarnes is just exposing the high and mighty leftist posers as being “out there†and meaningless to the avg. American. Your kind can’t be more than 10% of the population.
You moonbats are like the annoying crows that dive bomb and pick at the tail feathers of the majestic birds of prey who are at the top of the food chain.
Come to think of it, which ones are endangered species that need help to survive. Big Government intervention and help that you assholes usually vote against. It ain’t the crows pal. And you will get a chance to eat some crow soon enough. It will be called “crow” but it will be your own damn chickenhawk shit.
November 8th, 2005 at 4:36 pmHey NeD,
Turns out that a republican outted your secret prisons. Hahah aha ha hahahha ha hah ah ah .
Like I said,
Bring it on b!tch!
You’re an ass hat.
November 8th, 2005 at 4:36 pmFor Truth,
NED is a pre-programmed bot – she can’t respond to anything that requires cognitive reasoning. She’s Schiavo with a keyboard – no frontal lobes.
November 8th, 2005 at 4:42 pmNED is getting ready to celebrate the sweep of conservative and Republican victories across the nation today. Let’s see, he’s got NY Mayor Bloomberg (a RINO) and MAYBE that asswipe Kiljoy in Virginny, and… and… and… that’s alot of celibating for NED. I bet he’s plum tuckered out. Either that or he’s already committed seppaku. No, not NED. He would faint before he died at the sight of his own blood. Hanging? Poison? How would NED end it all? Change his “nick” again and re-incarnate as a Democrat. What a pussy!
November 8th, 2005 at 4:42 pmHey NeD,
Turns out that a republican outted your secret prisons. Hahah aha ha hahahha ha hah ah ah .
Like I said,
Bring it on b!tch!
You’re an ass hat.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — November 8, 2005 @ 4:36 pm
One hot, steaming helping of chickenhawk pie coming right up. There’s always plenty of chickenhawk pie to go around. Chickenhawks are such ugly pussies, they never die of anything but obesity, loneliness, and old age.
November 8th, 2005 at 4:46 pmThe only reason why the truth has been making it’s way to the American People is due to the information age, internet, e-mail, digital cameras, phone cameras, satellite phones with video. Lack of truth been going on forever in big government. The Pentagon probably hates the new era of accountability, ie: digital cameras and e-mail. Folks like NED are resisting the information age, it’s a form of evolution.
November 8th, 2005 at 4:49 pm#110
MMmmmmmmm
Pie.
November 8th, 2005 at 4:50 pm#40 – it will be going even better when the GOP starts investigating Democrats. AND it looks like that will start happening with this CIA WaPo leak.
Comment by The Northeast Dilemma — November 8, 2005 @ 1:42 pm
Bwahahahaha!
I guess NED is down in D.C. propositioning Democrats to see if he can give at least one of them a blowjob so he can give the GOP something to investigate them for!
November 8th, 2005 at 4:52 pmIt’s my inderstanding NED is a female. In that case I accept the offer.
November 8th, 2005 at 4:55 pmAgain, I’d like to hear Mr. Barnes or some other reichwing pundit defend such charges as incidental when it is is an administration official that was the subject of an smear campaign.
November 8th, 2005 at 5:06 pmActually everything is going great and is starting to get even better. We are getting indictments, investigations and resignations. From my side of the fence, this is turning out to be one heckuva year.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Actually all you got was some free press. Anyone who resigned got a free ride upstairs and a big raise, your investigations are turning around to bite you on the ass, (Wilson and others) and your chickenshit indictments may just lead to criminal charges by the prosecutors who manufactured them. Oh it’s a good year all right.
November 8th, 2005 at 5:10 pmHey NeD,
Turns out that a republican outted your secret prisons. Hahah aha ha hahahha ha hah ah ah .
Like I said,
Bring it on b!tch!
You’re an ass hat.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
We have plenty of secret prisons left.
November 8th, 2005 at 5:12 pmWe have plenty of secret prisons left.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 8, 2005 @ 5:12 pm
What makes you think you will live long enough to see the inside of one?
(Mat 5:29) And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
(Mat 5:30) And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
November 8th, 2005 at 5:22 pm#116
“Actually all you got was some free press. Anyone who resigned got a free ride upstairs and a big raise, your investigations are turning around to bite you on the ass, (Wilson and others) and your chickenshit indictments may just lead to criminal charges by the prosecutors who manufactured them. Oh it’s a good year all right.”
Keep telling yourself that and soon you will start to believe it.
#117
“We have plenty of secret prisons left.”
Good, more to hang you for.
November 8th, 2005 at 6:56 pmActually everything is going great and is starting to get even better. We are getting indictments, investigations and resignations. From my side of the fence, this is turning out to be one heckuva year.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
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whoa. hold on, I-right-I – dont let them know how nuts they are!! they dont realize it yet!!
ok, so spudge, you think you are winning. great! you thought that in ‘02 and ‘04. so keep doing the same thing, and expecting a different result. theres a term for that. we will step aside and let you self-immolate. need a match?? bwahahahahhaa
wait til its over, dude. the end will not match your fanatsy. what will you do then? good thing all this is written down, for our later enjoyment! thanks for the entertainment, and the memories, no matter how much you all try to rewrite history!
November 8th, 2005 at 7:01 pmTurns out that a republican outted your secret prisons. Hahah aha ha hahahha ha hah ah ah .
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and it turns out wilson himself outted V plame. and the reporters know it, and have covered it up!! hold on guy – the end of this will be fun; for our side!!!
live your fanatsy though – makes our job easier!!
November 8th, 2005 at 7:03 pm#120
You just keep telling yourself that.
I don’t write history books. Historians do. I am a Technical Media Manger. I haven’t written anything but press releases and posts here, that I am aware of.
Talk about strange. You need to get a clue.
November 8th, 2005 at 7:04 pm#121
“and it turns out wilson himself outted V plame.”
Wow, you are pyscho if you think that. Go back and take a look at the dates and facts.
Oh never mind, you are a republican zombie. Be happy in your stupidty.
November 8th, 2005 at 7:17 pmNED!! Are you on that computer again? You go straight back to your room! Shees! That kid’s a dork! and don’t forget your meds again. Btw, This site Rocks!
November 8th, 2005 at 7:25 pmfred,
When you cheat, you don’t win, but you do commit a crime. Gore won the 2000 election by a half million votes, and he also won florida, the supreme court cheated for bush. In 2004 Diebold did the heavy lifting. So what you’re saying is we should watch out because you’ll cheat again. You’re fascists, we know you will cheat again, but eventually thieves always die by their own sword.
As for your other ridiculous claims – bahaha, whatever drugs your on must have come from limbaugh’s stash!
November 8th, 2005 at 7:46 pmKillCon2005, sorry about that, but we just won’t let you guys in. I’m sure you know why, but just in case you don’t, it’s because we like men with a spine. do you guys have anyone besides Hillary working on a plan yet. We’re all waiting. Ya know, come to think of it, Hillary might have a slim chance. She does have a little more backbone than most of you guys. Now if she just needs to come up with a good reason of why she had Vince Foster killed and why she’s dropped her inane National Health Care ideas you dorks were so fond of.
November 8th, 2005 at 8:06 pmAmericanPieHole,
Is that why you picked a former gay man draft dodger over an actual war hero who not only fought for his country, but fought to bring the other soldiers home? You wouldn’t know what a spine was if it was shoved up your ass.
You really should look up the term ‘anxious masculinity’, it tends to describe fearful and emasculated men like you quite well…
November 8th, 2005 at 8:17 pmUh, NED, did you see where it was probably a GOP senate staffer that leaked that? It was brought up in a meeting with Dick “Torture Boy” Cheney and other GOPers so I don’t see how Harry Reid could be implicated in this. Sure, go after the leaker. Just be prepared to find somebody with an elephant bumper sticker, not a donkey.
November 8th, 2005 at 8:19 pmI’ll bet NED and his alter-posting personalities would really enjoy living their Red dream….they’d have been right at home in the one party state of Communist China, mindlessly spouting the Chairman’s talking points from memory. He/they would be on the vanguard of rooting out the intellectuals and teachers as they eventually destroy the entire society. Totalitarians are like that…
November 8th, 2005 at 8:35 pmIsn’t it NEd’s bedtime?
November 8th, 2005 at 8:50 pmShouldn’t the thorizine be kicking in?
Pew center poll just out:
79% of Americans think indictment of Libby is “important to the nation.”
November 8th, 2005 at 9:54 pmPoll:
Alito viewed favorably, but Libby takes toll…(however, many still undecided on Alito).
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=262
November 8th, 2005 at 9:57 pm#77, FM, I like your ideas. I too have talked about reviving the CCC and the WPA as well for infrastructure repairs. It’s an idea that will never fly with this administration because it is too logical — government paying unemployed people to work on improving the country. It’s too Democratic. It will cost too much money.
November 8th, 2005 at 10:53 pmYet, when I see the amounts of money the Republicans have spent, with debt going out far into the future, I don’t think that argument will stand.
We all have ideas on how to improve infrastructure, reduce unemployment, save Soc. Sec., but our plans do not include corporate welfare; the rich will have to pay their share – and the more they have benefitted from this land, the more in taxes they should pay — it is only moral and right — but they will never see it that way; too many of them are too selfish. They only go to church on Sundays, the rest of the week they listen to the devil.