Dr. Seuss Diplomacy
By on Nov 9th, 2005 at 8:54 am
Dr. Seuss Diplomacy
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will meet this week with Ahmed Chalabi, who is suspected of leaking national security secrets to Iran. At yesterday’s State Department press briefing, spokesman Adam Ereli tried to downplay the meeting:
U.S. Government officials regularly meet with Dr. Chalabi. They meet with him when they go to Iraq and they meet with him in — outside of Iraq in international fora and they’re going to meet with him when he comes here — Secretary Rice and others.
It’s the Dr. Seuss school of diplomacy:
I would meet him in a boat!
I would meet him with a goat!
I would meet him in the rain!
And in the dark. And in Bahrain.
And in a car. And in a tree.
He is so good, so good, you see!
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I love how they think the fact that they meet with him all the time makes things better. It makes things worse!
November 9th, 2005 at 8:56 amJeb will be launching a pre-emptive war to depose Ahmed during JB’s 2012 term…and all these pictures of his brother and his cabinet being cozy with the dictator back when he was “an elected official of the people of Iraq”…will come back to haunt him. Commerce Secretary Cheney is brought out of cryogentic freeze long enough to snarl “Back Off!” at Jeb’s detractors…
November 9th, 2005 at 9:07 amGood. Maybe the can sit around and discuss what a liability it is to have each other as friends! Go Dems!
November 9th, 2005 at 9:08 amYou’re a mean one, Mr. Chalabi… your heart is full of eels…
November 9th, 2005 at 9:09 amAhmed, Ahmed…
whither thou goest Ahmed?
You are so misunderstood. Convicted in banking scandals, abandoned by President Cheney… forced to take a second-tier job in the New Iraq, a step removed from the gushing river of money…
And now not even important enough to be arrested for forwarding U.S. secrets to Iran… I hope you are not getting an inferiority complex, little man!
Especially since you let the Iranian Mullahs know we broke their code. That’s a biggie, nu? One might think this would rate at least the loving kiss of American steel, handcuffs and a nice ride in a paid-for federal vehicle, but no.
All you get is a ride on the rusting, sinking ship of state, the wheezy, cheesy, and disease-y USS Scow-Bush.
As I write, I am reminded of a vacancy you CAN fill, now that Rodney Dangerfield has gone to the great Friar’s Club in the sky:
Can you stick out your neck, pop your eyes a bit, and say loudly, “I tell ya, I GET NO RESPECT!”
November 9th, 2005 at 9:12 amOh, I see where this is going. Here’s mine:
“Green eggs and (H)ahmed.”
November 9th, 2005 at 9:17 amToday on EWM: Kevin Bacon to play Libby in upcoming “Six Degrees of Scooterâ€
It’s ‘Dumb and Dumber’ meets ‘All the President’s Men.’
…Other actors signed for “Six Degrees of Scooter†include Jon Lovitz, who will play Iraqi conman Ahmed Chalabi, Ned Beatty as Vice President Cheney and, starring in his first dramatic role, British slapstick actor Mr. Bean will play President Bush…
November 9th, 2005 at 9:23 am“Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will meet this week with Ahmed Chalabi”
Uhh, what about? Covering up their past?
November 9th, 2005 at 9:26 amHey Muse.
November 9th, 2005 at 9:32 amI actually like your writing style. You’re smart, too.
But dude, take your picture off your website! I assume that’s you. You look like a mafia hitman. It’s too much contrast. Less is more and so on…
Say what you will about Repugnicans, but at least one of them is speaking up with the truth around here about the leaks and that is, suprisingly, no other than Trent Lott. But on the Chalabi issue, once again the Administration and CIA has failed in its mission of providing correct information.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I have just learned from a friendly Arab named Mohammed that “Ahmed Chalabi” in Arabic means “bull dung” or “bush-shitter”, depending on which dialect you follow.
November 9th, 2005 at 9:42 amHe has bribed them in a boat!
November 9th, 2005 at 9:53 amHe has bribed them with a goat!
He has bribed them with a plane!
And in the dark. And near the Seine.
And with a car. And by a tree.
He is so rich, with our money!
“… Ahmed Chalabi, who is suspected of leaking national security secrets to Iran.”
How did Chalabi get U.S. national security secrets to begin with? Wouldn’t the secrets had to have first been leaked to Chalabi for him to leak them to Iran? Is anyone looking into who leaked to Chalabi? Why not?
November 9th, 2005 at 9:54 amI love how it’s okay for everyone in the White House except for Bush to meet with Chalabi, but they worry that having Bush meet with him would send the wrong message.
November 9th, 2005 at 9:57 amThe same way secrets about Iran get leaked to Israel. Same people. There are 2 US gov’ts. Pro-PNAC Pro-Israel, and moderates. The Pro-PNAC Pro-Israel will risk US security in the short term for the faintest hope that wars and rumors of wars will bring Jesus back.
November 9th, 2005 at 9:59 amlet him eat green eggs
November 9th, 2005 at 10:00 amand hams
so green
he would vomit
all our moolam .
Why does Think Progress refuse, as if they are poor and uneducated, to recognize Chalabi as a success in Iraq. The man is getting stuff done, like restoring and building Iraq. That man is helping the Iraqi people more than George Soros ever could and he should be respected and thanked for that.
Think Progress just likes to pooh pooh accomplishments it did not support or does not like.
You should be ashamed of disparaging a man who like you is imperfect, but it is helping the people of Iraq so much.
Either really be a humanitarian TP or stop pretending you are.
November 9th, 2005 at 10:55 amI beleive that Chalabi is actually teaching one of the WhiteHouse Ethics Classes.
He will teach: “Embezzeling for Fun and Profit 101″
He will also assist with the class: “Propagandizing Great Nations into War So You Can Be Installed President or Oil Minister”
Another presentation: “Meeting with Iranian Leaders Shortly After They Advocate Jewish Genocide Can Be Fun and Informative or Laying A Wreath at the Ayatollah Khomeini’s Grave is a Must When Visiting Muslim Theocracies”
Another Class: “How To Bang Whores and Stenographers”, Judith Miller will co-teach the class her part will be titled: “Tasting Scooter’s Pie”
Misinforming America Since 2003,
-Scott Gannon-McLellan(Recently Married in Massachusetts)
November 9th, 2005 at 10:59 amRecently married in Massachusetts (odd statement even if you’re gay),
So powerful people who actually do good for society are just bad and deserve to be disparage? What exactly have you done to help Iraq re-store itself post-Saddam?
November 9th, 2005 at 11:04 amone fish,
November 9th, 2005 at 11:22 amtwo fish,
RED fish,
no f’n clue fish
I would not meet him on the unguarded desert plane,
November 9th, 2005 at 11:28 amfor I would end up as just a red stain
Lyle,
I haven’t killed any Iraqis.
-GSD
November 9th, 2005 at 11:28 amMy Father didn’t help sell Saddam precursors to chemical weapons, or give Iraq intelligence or look the other way after Saddam gassed Kurds and then advocated a rebellion of Iraqi Shiites and then cut a deal with Saddam to allow him to mow down said rebellious Shiites with helicopter gunships.
I didn’t give billions of dollars in no-bid contracts to American companies instead of Iraqi companies?
I didn’t allow Iraq to be looted and plundered while protecting the Oil Ministry and allowing tons of munitions that would fuel an insurgency to dissappear.
I also didn’t scare crowds of children by telling them that Saddam was going to drop nukes on them.
-GSD
November 9th, 2005 at 11:34 amCan we count them with our nose?
Can we count them with our toes?
Should we count them with a band?
Should we count them all by hand?
If I do not like the count, I will simply throw them out!
I will not let this vote count stand.
I do not like them, GORE I am!
Can we change these numbers here?
Can we change them, calm my fears?
What do you mean, George Dubya won?
This is not fair this is not fun.
Lets count them upside down this time.
Let’s count until the state Is mine
I will not let this VOTE count stand!
I do not like it, GORE I am!
I’m really ticked, I’m in a snit!
You have not heard the last of it!
I’ll count the ballots one by one
And hold each one up to the sun
I’ll count, recount, and count some more!
You’ll grow to hate this little chore
But I will not, cannot let this vote count stand
I do not like it, GORE I am!
I know that this may sound insane
but can we count them in the rain?
Can we count them on a bus?
One for you means two for us!
I think the GOP would sue us
If we tried to count them in St. Louis.
But we cannot let this vote count stand!
I do not like it, GORE I am!
I’m glad that I invented chad,
The best brainstorm I ever had!
Every little “swinging door”
means one more vote for Ol’Al Gore!
And every little dent you see
means someone tried to vote for me!
So I cannot let this vote count stand!
I do not like it, GORE I am!
I won’t leave office, I’m stayin’ here
I’ve glued my desk chair to my rear!
Tipper, Hillary and Bubba too,
are telling me that I should sue!
We find the Electoral College vile!
RECOUNT the votes until I smile!
We do not want this vote to stand!
We do not like it, GORE I am!
How shall we count this ballot box?
Let’s count it standing in our socks!
Shall we count this one in a tree?
And who shall count it, you or me?
We cannot, cannot count enough!
We must not stop, we must be tough!
I do not want this vote to stand!
I do not like it, GORE I am!
I’ve counted till my fingers bleed
And still can’t fulfill my counting need.
I’ll count the tiles on the floor
I’ll count, and count, and count some more.
And I will not say that I am done
Until the counting says I’ve won!
I will not let this vote count stand!
I do not like it, GORE I am!
What’s that? What are you trying to say?
You think the current count should stay?
You do not like my counting scheme?
It makes you tense, gives you bad dreams?
Foolish people, you’re wrong you’ll see!
Your only care should be for me!
I WILL NOT LET THIS VOTE COUNT STAND!
November 9th, 2005 at 11:37 amI DO NOT LIKE IT. AL GORE I AM!!!!!!
Every voter
Down in Florida
Liked elections a lot
But Al Sore,
Who lived North of Florida
Did NOT!
Al Sore hated elections! The whole election season!
Now, please don’t ask why. No one quite knows the reason.
I could be his head wasn’t screwed on just right.
It could be, perhaps, his loafers were too tight.
But I think that the most likely reason of all
May have been that his heart was two sizes too small,
But,
Whatever the reason,
His heart or his loafers,
He stood there on Election Eve, hating the Voters,
Staring down from his cave with a sour, Sore-y frown
At the warm lighted windows below in their town.
For he knew every Floridian in the state beneath
Was busy now, declaring a voter’s belief.
“And they’re punching their ballots!” he snarled with a sneer.
“Tomorrow is the election! It’s practically here!”
Then he growled, with his Sore fingers nervously drumming,
“I MUST find some way to stop the Push win from coming!”
For,
Tomorrow, he knew…
…All the Floridian GOP-ers
Would wake bright and early. They’d rush for their papers!
And then! Oh, the noise! Oh, the Noise! Noise! Noise! Noise!
That’s the one thing he hated! The NOISE! NOISE! NOISE!! NOISE!
Then the Floridians, young and old, would sit down to a feast.
And they’d feast! And they’d feast!
And they’d FEAST!
FEAST! FEAST! FEAST!
They would feast on Florida oranges and roast beast,
Which was something that Sore couldn’t stand in the least.
And THEN
They’d do something
He liked least of all!
Every voter in Florida, the tall and the small,
Would stand close together, with victory bells ringing.
They’d stand hand-in-hand. And the victors would start singing.
They’d sing! And they’d sing! AND they’d SING! SING! SING! SING!
And the more Al Sore thought of this Push Winning-Sing,
The more Al Sore thought, “I must stop this whole thing!
Why, for fifty-three weeks I’ve put up with it now!
I MUST stop this Push-Win from coming!
But HOW?”
Then he got an idea!
An awful idea!
AL SORE
GOT A WONDERFUL, AWFUL IDEA!
“”I know just what to do!” Al Sore laughed in a snoot.
And he made a presidential- type-jogging suit.
And he chuckled, and clucked, “What a great Sore-y trick!”
“With this Clinton type suit, I look real legit!”
THEN
He loaded some bags
With some bottles of Bailey’s
And he gathered his henchmen
Headed up by Ole Daly.
Then Al Sore cried, “Unfair!”
And the courts started winking
In the state where the voters
Had not even an inkling.
“All I need is a recount…
Al Sore looked around
But, since recounts are scarce, there was none to be found.
Did that stop Al Sore..?
No! Al Sore simply said,
“If I can’t find a recount, I’ll invent one instead!”
So he called his dog Daly. Then he took some old fools.
And swayed the election with ever-changing rules.
All the windows were dark. Little chads filled the air.
All the voters were dreaming sweet dreams without care.
When he came to the first Florida precinct down there,
“This is stop number one”, the Sore-y Group Hissed.
And they counted the ballots, hanging chads in their fists.
Then Sore slimed in the courtroom. A rather tight score.
But, if Clinton could do it, then so could Al Gore.
He got stuck only once, for a moment or two.
Then he stuck his head out as if he’s on cue
And said, butterfly ballots all hung in a row.
“These Buchannan votes,” he grinned “are the first things to go!”
Then he slithered and slunk, with a smile most disarming,
Around the whole state, and he looked very charming!
Bad chads, dimpled chads, pregnant chads, Sums
Overseas balloting, postmarks, and TUMS.
And he stacked them in piles. Then the Sore Group, quite sneakily
Ate all the chads, one by one, oh so cheekily!
Then Sore slunk to the lock-box. He took the winner’s feast.
He took Florida oranges. He took the roast beast!
He cleaned out the ballot box as quick as a flash.
Why that Sore even took their last hope of a chance.
Then he stuffed all the boxes with Sore votes with glee.
“And NOW!” grinned Al Sore, “I will vote for me.!”
And the Dems grabbed the piles, and they started to shove
When they heard a small sound like the coo of a dove.
They turned around fast, and saw some protesters
Who stormed into the room to confront those court jesters.
Al Sore had been caught by this small group of GOP-ers
Who’d got out of bed to put on the stoppers.
They stared at Al Sore and said, “Mr. VP, why,
Why are you taking our Push ballots , WHY?”
But, you know, that old Sore was so smart and so slick
He thought up a lie, and he thought it up quick!
“Why, my dear USA”, the fake Sore lied,
“There’s a chad on this ballot that still inside,
So I’m taking it up to a secret room, my dears
I’ll fix it up there. Then I’ll bring it back here.”
And his fib fooled the counters. Then he patted their heads
And he got them a drink and sent them to bed.
And when the canvassers went to bed with their cups
HE went to the boxes and stuffed them full up!
Then the last thing he fixed
Was the criminal vote!
Then he went to the courts, himself, the old goat.
In their counties he left nothing but questions and notes.
And the one speck of reason
That he left in the state
Was a crumb that was even too small to rate.
Then
He did the same thing
To the other Florida counties
Leaving questions
Far too many
Please call in the Mounties!
It was a quarter past November…
All the voters still wondering
All the votes, still unheard
When the rhetoric was thundering,
Thundering with words! Disenfranchised! Disallowed! Discontented! Disavowed!
Nine hundred votes down. Then Dade County wants to quit
Al Sore goes to court to make them take the bit.
“Pooh-Pooh to the voters!” he was Sore-ily humming.
“They’re finding out now that a Sore win is coming!
They’re just waking up! I know just what they’ll do!
Their mouths will hang open a minute or two
Then the voters in Florida will all cry BOO-HOO!”
“That’s a noise,” grinned Al Sore,
“That I simply MUST hear!”
So he paused. And Al Sore put his hand to his ear.
And he did hear a sound rising over the state.
It started in low. Then it started to grow…..
But the sound wasn’t sad!
Why this sound sounded merry!
It couldn’t be so!
But it WAS merry! VERY!
He stared down at Florida
Al Sore popped his eyes!
Then he shook!
What he saw was a shocking surprise!
Every Voter in Florida, the tall and the small,
Was chanting! Without any victory at all.
And Al Sore, with his Sore heart, ice cold in the state
Stood puzzling and puzzling: “How could it be so?”
“They came without power! They came in so mad!
They came without media, reclaiming their chads.”
And he puzzled three hours till his puzzler was sore.
Then Al Sore thought of something he hadn’t before!
Maybe elections he thought, don’t come from a store.
Maybe Elections, perhaps…means a bit more!
He HADN’T stopped the Push win from coming
IT Came!
Somehow or other it came just the same.
And what happened then …?
Well….in Florida they say
That Al Sore’s heart was broken that day.
But he couldn’t realize the election had ended,
November 9th, 2005 at 11:40 amHe filed lawsuits, though he could not succeed
To be presidential, Sore simply pretended
The Florida election, he refused to concede.
Stuck in a time warp iri?
November 9th, 2005 at 11:43 amIRI’s wheels are coming off.
November 9th, 2005 at 11:45 amGiven Chalabi’s many proven and suspected crimes, including espionage against the US, has anyone bothered asking Scotty or any of the crew why this slimeball is not yet in Gitmo or somesuch with the other known terrorists?
November 9th, 2005 at 12:25 pmFunny but true. We live in a Dr. Suess world.
November 9th, 2005 at 12:29 pmGSD,
I asked you whether or not you have helped the people of Iraq, like Mr. Chalabi has. Have you?
The man is helping to rebuild Iraq. 60 Minutes, not exactly Bush country, has documented Chalabi’s efforts in Iraq. According to that un-biased or neutral journalism, Chalabi’s efforts are significant.
Unlike your efforts.
It is also unfortunate that we have killed Iraqis in the process of helping them, but we killed lots of Germans and Japanese in a War that not only helped them, but helped many others including ourselves.
People die in War, but if the War is beneficial to human rights it should be fought. And our War in Iraq is moral, helpful, and just.
November 9th, 2005 at 1:21 pmAsking Scotty? Poor guy, he practically fainted yesterday – I don’t know how much more evasion he has left in him!
November 9th, 2005 at 1:25 pmBut really, it’s OK to be a double-crossing spy if you’re our double-crossing spy, right?
With all the leaks springing rapidly, you’d think the admin would be afraid to have this guy around! How far can you throw him?
#9
The actor who plays Mr. Bean is Rowan Atkinson.
He also starred in Blackadder as different characters
from each season. From medival times to WWI. These characters had the same agenda: Try to dominate the world while still being stupid. Sounds like someone we know?
But, despite that, he would make an excellent Bush. However, he may need some makeup to look like a chimp.
Just a suggestion ;)
November 9th, 2005 at 1:44 pmThat was actually meant in response to #7.
My mistake.
November 9th, 2005 at 1:45 pmMoral, helpful and just?
November 9th, 2005 at 1:46 pmLyle, can I have some of your brand of smoke? You are so sadly delusional.
We invaded their country for no reason except that greedy oil executives wanted their oil, and as a bonus they got to transfer our surplus to their pockets.
How is this “moral”?
Killing thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens is “helpful”?
And replacing the dictator we first put in place with the newer model, starting a serious civil war on top of our invasion, is “just” by what yardstick?
Please. We are not that stupid. Just because you would like to think it true, it is not true. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here in assuming these are your true feelings, but maybe you are simply troll du jour?
Lyle,
Your defence of Chalabi is unfortunate. Your defence of the invasion of Iraq is morally bankrupt.
“The man is helping to rebuild Iraq. “
Ahmed Chalabi was sentenced in absentia in 1992 by a Jordanian court to 22 years in prison for bank fraud after the collapse of Petra Bank in 1990 –which he founded in 1977.
After moving to Washington DC in the mid 90s, he was one of the infamous “Iraqi defectors†who fed phony intelligence to the Pentagon regarding Saddam’s non-existing WMDs, and nuclear programme, all the while collecting $340,000 per month from the Pentagon and the State Department for the Iraqi National Council (INC) he founded and headed.
In case you have forgotten this, the INC worked with Judith Miller, concerning her WMD stories for the New York Times. Since then, most of the INC’s claims have been shown to have been either misleading, exaggerated, or absolutely false.
In case you have forgotten this, on May 20 the Iraqi police and the U.S. military raided Chalabi’s offices and residence looking for evidence that he and other members of the INC were involved in money laundering, grand theft of both national and private assets, among other things.
In case you have forgotten this, it was reported in June 2004 that Chalabi gave U.S. state secrets to Iran in April, including that the US had broken the secret code used by Iran’s intelligence services. The “leak” has never been fully pursued or investigated.
This is the great man you are defending: A con-artist, and a fraudster, who has given secrets to a member of the “Axis of Evil” according to Pres. Bush –that is, an enemy of the US.
Read more about Ahmed Chalabi here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Chalabi and here http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/2004Q2/chalabi.html
“we killed lots of Germans and Japanese in a War that not only helped them, but helped many others including ourselves.”
I see: You have to destroy a village in order to save it. What a crock.
Iraq was ruled by a man who was put in place by the US to begin with. He was backed up militarily, financially, and politically by the US –until he decided to invade Kuwait. That was his single biggest mistake. Are we to believe the US has selfless motives to “liberate” Iraq now?
Unlike World War II, the invasion of Iraq was a war of choice: Iraq posed no threat to the US, and was all but disarmed by the time the US invaded it.
Also, unlike World War II, the US military is torturing detainees who are under custody. Many times these detainees are held in secret prisons. Is that how Japan, and Germany were rebuilt?
I agree with you on one thing: The US is definitely helping themselves –to Iraq’s natural resources that is.
November 9th, 2005 at 2:11 pm“Moral, helpful and just?
Lyle, can I have some of your brand of smoke? You are so sadly delusional.
We invaded their country for no reason except that greedy oil executives wanted their oil, and as a bonus they got to transfer our surplus to their pockets.
How is this “moralâ€?”
Talk about delusional. None of the above happened.
“Killing thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens is “helpfulâ€?”
Didn’t happen. You’re thinking of Saddam.
And replacing the dictator we first put in place with the newer model, starting a serious civil war on top of our invasion, is “just†by what yardstick?
Again, didn’t happen. What dictator. Oh you mean the first honestly elected officials in the country’s history? You mean the constitution they wrote and voted for. Civil war? Oh, you mean the Iraqi people against the Ba’athists? You’re a terrible liar.
“Please. We are not that stupid. Just because you would like to think it true, it is not true. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here in assuming these are your true feelings, but maybe you are simply troll du jour? ”
Comment by SKdeA
I’m not giving you a damn thing except a long drop and a short rope you commieratbastardmofo you.
November 9th, 2005 at 2:14 pmI agree with you on one thing: The US is definitely helping themselves –to Iraq’s natural resources that is.
Comment by Gregor Samsa
Nonsense. We’ve spent more money rebuilding Iraq than could be pumped out of the ground in twenty years. We couldn’t even get a majority in congress to agree that Iraq should pay us back. What exactly have we “helped ourselves” to? Go on smart boy, fill us in on the details.
November 9th, 2005 at 2:23 pmUnlike World War II, the invasion of Iraq was a war of choice: Iraq posed no threat to the US, and was all but disarmed by the time the US invaded it.
Comment by Gregor Samsa
How old are you, ten? You know nothing of WWII history and even less about current events. We had no choice in WWII. Bullshit. Hitler wasn’t doing anything to us was he?
Also, unlike World War II, the US military is torturing detainees who are under custody. Many times these detainees are held in secret prisons. Is that how Japan, and Germany were rebuilt?
Comment by Gregor Samsa
I haven’t seen one iota a proof that we are torturing anyone but I can flat out guarantee you that when we asked a captured German, Japanese, N. Korean or Vietnamese soldier a question we got an answer. Today, I’d be much less disappointed to learn we were pulling out the fingernails of captured terrorists than if we were to be caught doing it.
November 9th, 2005 at 2:32 pm#7, Jon Lovitz as Chalabi? Yeah. Yeah, that’s the ticket!
November 9th, 2005 at 3:17 pm#38
“Civil war?”
The fighting is Sunni vs Shia. Moron.
#39
“We’ve spent more money rebuilding Iraq than could be pumped out of the ground in twenty years.”
The war was supposed to be paid for by oil revenue, not by the American people. Idiot.
#40
“I haven’t seen one iota a proof that we are torturing anyone”
You should stop posting stuff that makes you lose all credibility if you expect for people to even read you posts. Stupid.
November 9th, 2005 at 3:21 pmIf Condi didn’t meet with people who were under investigation she’d be one lonely ho.
November 9th, 2005 at 3:40 pmDead Elephant!
Dead Elephant!
Dead Elephant!
November 9th, 2005 at 3:43 pmYou should stop posting stuff that makes you lose all credibility if you expect for people to even read you posts. Stupid.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
My credibility around here is ZERO and always has been, that’s not the question. The question is whether or not you can back up any of your bullshit and thereby show you have not only credibility but brains. So far you’re ZERO.
November 9th, 2005 at 4:37 pmWho gives a shit what you think or what you ask for? You say that you understand that your party crashing and yet continue to post to people who don’t care. Don’t you have anything to do wacko? What pleasure is there in wasting time?
November 9th, 2005 at 5:16 pmMizzIWrongY
You have zero credibility because you can NEVER back up either your claims or your argument. You’re a pathetic hack, a partisan fool, a closeted pedophile, and a religious freak. No one believes you, because you don’t say anything rational and all you post is the rantings of a CLEARLY INSANE WHACKO.
As for military intelligence in WWII, my family was involved in that particular niche. Not only did we not torture, but we were smart enough to know that other means are more effective. But retarded chickenhawks like Cheney were never privy to the truth, as neither were you.
Torture DOES NOT WORK, and in fact produces less reliable results than other methods. The only reason people torture is for their own sadistic pleasure – something it isn’t hard to imagine would suit you and your perverted values quite nicely.
Only the clinically insane believe torture is a ‘good thing’ – and that’s why you have zero credibility you loser whacko!
November 9th, 2005 at 8:51 pmMcCain was tortured for 5 years, and yet didn’t give up any useful information. After 5 years, what information would continue to be useful even if you did break someone?
Only in the movies and the fantasies of rightwing retarded chickenhawks does torture work. That’s why THE MILITARY OPPOSES IT! Only the fringe freaks of the NeoCon Fascist cult actually believe it works! You’re also psycho terrorists and traiters to america!
November 9th, 2005 at 8:53 pmIf Condi met up with Chalabi, she’d better be wearing a blue dress. Wouldn’t want a stain to get on there.
hehehehehehehehe.
November 10th, 2005 at 12:04 amTorture DOES NOT WORK, and in fact produces less reliable results than other methods
Comment By Ryan “I’m a good guy, really” Neat
This will be a good test case to see if you’re right about that loser. Jordan didn’t get its reputation for having one of the best intelligence services in the world by accoiding terrorists the protections of the Geneva Convention. They’ll have the killers behind these attacks in less than a month. Take it to the bank.
“Explosions ripped through three hotels in the Jordanian capital Wednesday night, killing at least 53 persons and wounding more than 120, a top government official said.
Deputy Prime Minister Marwan Muasher said the blasts were all “apparently suicide attacks” and that most of the casualties were Jordanians.
As ambulances raced through the darkened streets and police and soldiers took up positions around the city, authorities quickly sealed off the three U.S. brand-name hotels: the Grand Hyatt Amman, the Radisson SAS Hotel and the Days Inn Hotel.
In an interview on CNN, Muasher said the deadliest attack occurred at the Radisson, where a Jordanian couple was holding a wedding party.”
November 10th, 2005 at 8:38 am
#46
“You should stop posting stuff that makes you lose all credibility if you expect for people to even read you posts. Stupid.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
My credibility around here is ZERO and always has been, that’s not the question. The question is whether or not you can back up any of your bullshit and thereby show you have not only credibility but brains. So far you’re ZERO.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 9, 2005 @ 4:37 pm ”
I-RIGHT-I
November 10th, 2005 at 11:47 amYou have just shot yourself in the foot. The bullshit is backed up if you read the threads. Y’know, all those links up there? And if your credibility is zero, why are you bothering?
Samsa and friends,
How is liberating the Iraqi people from Saddam Hussein immoral? How? It doesn’t matter if the reason was oil or wmd, what matters is the consequences that flow from the action and the end of a oppressive regime was the consequence. That fact that has happened is a great moral victory for the countries who overthrew Saddam Hussein.
Just compare the American Civil War to Iraq. Abraham Lincoln didn’t want to free the slaves. The War reason for going to War was not about slavery. Lincoln in fact, initially, told the South you can keep your slaves if you rejoin the Union. The consequences of there being a war was emancipation, which didn’t happen until the 3rd year of the war. Do people today even remember the reasons Lincoln went to war? No. But they sure as hell remember that the Civil War ended slavery.
I should also point that one the weakest and most anti-intellectual arguments against the war in Iraq is the one that says something like: “well we actually put Saddam in power and not look at what’s happening”. If you would take some time to think about how absurd an argument that is, you’d stop using it and make some other argument.
Yep, we supported Saddam Hussein in the past and we did nothing when he killed the Kurds. You know what that means? It means it was our responsibility to do something about Saddam Hussein. And the only thing to do was to get him out of power. And the only way to get him out of power was to invade Iraq or threaten to invade to scare Saddam into giving up power.
When you spill milk people, you don’t just let it sit there; you clean it up.
Thank you and I’m here to stay and make you people think.
I can’t believe some of the people who contribute to Think Progress actually went to some Ivy League schools and have clerked for Supreme Court justices, because the shallowness of thought here is just breathtaking.
Iraq is free!!!
November 10th, 2005 at 1:38 pmMizzIWrongY,
What does an attack have to do with torture? You’re an idiot and a fool, and this further proves it. Your irrational leap of nonsense just shows why republicans are so inept and incapable of being politicians or leaders. You’re all childish fools.
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