That’s Not Accurate: White House Alters Transcript of Press Briefing
That’s Not Accurate: White House Alters Transcript of Press Briefing
There is a brewing controversy about what exactly was said at the White House press conference on October 31. Everyone agrees NBC’s David Gregory said this:
Q Whether there’s a question of legality, we know for a fact that there was involvement. We know that Karl Rove, based on what he and his lawyer have said, did have a conversation about somebody who Patrick Fitzgerald said was a covert officer of the Central Intelligence Agency. We know that Scooter Libby also had conversations.
Congressional Quarterly and FNS both transcribed Press Secretary Scott McClellan’s answer as “That’s accurate.” The White House transcript lists McClellan’s answer as “I don’t think that’s accurate.”
We’ve isolated the clip so you can judge for yourself:
If you listened to the clip, it’s clear McClellan says “that’s accurate.” Nevertheless, the White House is trying to get CQ and FNS to change their transcripts. They’ve refused.
(HT: Wonkette)
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Now they are trying to change stuff that people have said. Wow, this is simply amazing. Nobody contorlled the media like this, other than Hitler.
Disclaimer for NeD. I am calling the Bush administration Nazis, not the troops in Iraq.
November 9th, 2005 at 12:25 pmThats just right, now they deny what they clearly said
November 9th, 2005 at 12:25 pmcomeon mid-term elections
Channeling Martin Short now?
"I never said that, it's so funny you think that I would say that..."
November 9th, 2005 at 12:29 pmHey, being a revisionist is hard work!
November 9th, 2005 at 12:30 pmbecause it's hard to fit mclellan inside one of those little pneumatic tube capsules destined for the incinerator.
"we have always been at war with eastasia"
November 9th, 2005 at 12:30 pmSorry to be a nitpicker, but if we're talking accuracy, it should probably be David Gregory.
November 9th, 2005 at 12:32 pmThis is silly.....and I am no fan of this White House and especially this spokesman...but if he meant to say something and said something else then he should just say that and move on.
November 9th, 2005 at 12:34 pmI hope McCelland doesn't quit, get fired or anything of the like.
Who was that Saddam spokesman right before the fall of Baghdad? The one who didn't know that the US army was just outside?
November 9th, 2005 at 12:35 pmYou know, if you're gonna try to pull a stunt like this, at least TRY to make it believable. Change it to "That's NOT accurate," which is just one more syllable than "that's accurate," and they could argue that the syllable got swallowed on the video tape. But to try and say he actually said "I DON'T THINK that's accurate" is just plain ludicrous.
November 9th, 2005 at 12:36 pmFYI, it's NBC’s *David* Gregory, not Dick.
November 9th, 2005 at 12:37 pmFirst let me step back. The President has made it very clear. I appreciate the question. I disagree with that characterization. You’re asking that in the context of an ongoing investigation. There is an ongoing legal proceeding. Moving forward there is a pending appeal case. I cannot comment on plea bargain hunting trips at this time. Truth is pending until further notice.
November 9th, 2005 at 12:37 pmThis really IS nitpicky. I know you want to add as many things as possible to your blog to keep it fresh for readers, but there are plenty of other relevant topics that are more worthy of discussion.
November 9th, 2005 at 12:40 pmIt sure sounds to me as though O'Reilly and Limbaugh are now running the public information show for the White House. And Scotty boy's reiteration of Cheney's faxed talking points regarding Senator Reid, certainly make him seem to be nothing more than the wooden Pinnochio he was trying so hard not to be. Warning to all White House press: "Stay out of the way of Scotty's nose, as it gets longer and longer"
November 9th, 2005 at 12:40 pmThe Stalinists in the politboro used to revise history in a similar manner.
The Bushites have taken a page out of history.
November 9th, 2005 at 12:40 pm.
Isn't this what Condi would call "Revisionist History"
November 9th, 2005 at 12:43 pm#8
When he is saying what he didn't mean to say, he should said what he meant to say when he was saying what he didn't want to say. Is that what you're saying? Did I say that right? :)
#9
You mean Bahgdad Bob? You know the guy that was talking about how the infidels were commiting suicide out side the gates, while you could see the US forces right behind him. That was some good stuff.
November 9th, 2005 at 12:43 pmWell, I watched and listened to it closely several times. At first, I did think he just said "That's accurate", but after turning the sound up and watching his lips carefully, it does look to me like he said, "I don't think that's accurate" but just didn't make himself audible until the last two words. I can't hear the "I don't" but his lips seem to be moving, and I can sort of hear the "think" just before "that's accurate".
That's my two cents, anyway.
November 9th, 2005 at 12:44 pmRemember right after 9/11 and I mean right after 9/11 Ari Fleischer said " we all need to be careful what we say". That is NOT in the official White House briefing records. http://www.timeswatch.org/topicindex/F/fleischer_ari/welcome.asp. So why would this suprise any one? Just like the Fred Barnes' piece, they, The White House and supporting Boot Lickers, conveniently re-write anything they say that they don't like or makes them look, well like liars or, you pick the adjective. Only the "ELITES" would care to question this. STANDARD MO FOR THIS BUNCH.
November 9th, 2005 at 12:44 pmget Winston Smith on the job. He's scrub those records.
All hail Big Brother.
November 9th, 2005 at 12:45 pm#13
This is very important. We all feel that it is important that the White House is trying to change what was clearly said. If you don't feel that it is important, go to a different thread.
November 9th, 2005 at 12:45 pmI love the record button.
November 9th, 2005 at 12:45 pm...Bastards! Once again, YOUR tax-dollars, hard-at-work defending the honor & integrity of something. Somewhere. Right? Okay, just honor? Nevermind...
November 9th, 2005 at 12:48 pmBastards, Herb.
The Congressional record used to be changed (uh, "corrected") all the time back in the day.
The southern senators would remove all references to "nigras" and the like from their official remarks.
The printed record then sounded so much more senatorial and provided a fig-leaf of legitimacy.
November 9th, 2005 at 12:49 pmRoyko wrote:
"[...]it does look to me like he said, 'I don’t think that’s accurate' but just didn’t make himself audible until the last two words."
I agree.
November 9th, 2005 at 12:50 pmI do video editing for a living. I've done looping in the past. I've had to place lines from one take over the footage of another take. My eye is pretty well trained to watch the lips and listen to the voice of the person on screen.
With that said, this video is of a much LESSER quality than what I work with. This is almost down to webcam quality (maybe it actually is from a webcam). But regardless, from what I can tell, he DID just say "That’s accurate.â€
I see nothing and I hear nothing which makes me think he said anything more. Anyone who thinks they see his mouth moving before he speaks are either seeing him open his mouth to speak, or are seeing moving pixels on the screen and are confusing that for motion of the mouth.
I've watched this clip over and over, and regular size and enlarged, and I can say with most certainty that he ONLY said, "That’s accurate.â€
November 9th, 2005 at 12:51 pmroyko @ 18: Uhm, this guy is the spokesman for the POTUS. And he can't articulate to the point of getting the meaning of what he's saying completely wrong?!? That's pretty pathetic. Or maybe mumbling is the new NewSpeak: we'll just be inarticulate on the record, and then fix the record after the fact.
Apart from all that, this is really a farce: McClellan lies thru his teeth every day, and the press corps shrugs; he tries to lie after the fact, and it's suddenly a big deal? I'd love to have the discussion about the value of a spokesman that can't/won't say anything of significance and has, apparently, been authorized to lie on behalf of the president.
November 9th, 2005 at 12:52 pmI saw a portion of that press conference last night on
Countdown with Keith Olbermann. Scotty was whining like a banshee trying to avoid Gregory as well as Miss.
Helen Thomas and a black female journalist who was
really kicking his butt verbally all over the place.
Apparently, the correspondents in the Press Room are sick and tired of Scotty and his constant answers
that comprise of words such as....
I'm not going to comment on that.
Ask the --------- office.
I don't have anything to give you.
I don't have anything to say at this time.
Scotty, to borrow a line from M*A*S*H, if you weren't
November 9th, 2005 at 12:54 pma press secretary, you would have been a pastry chef.
It's as good as the one, I believe it was on Russert, where they had Rummy on and questioned him about his assertions on something. He then vehemently denied ever having said it and then they showed him the video of him saying it, and he still huffed and gruffed and said, yeah...so?
November 9th, 2005 at 12:55 pmWhite House press conferences are such a shallow sham. Why don't the reporters just get up and walk out the next time Scotty insults their intelligence with his non-answers? Why participate in a farce and lend it an aura of legitmacy?
November 9th, 2005 at 12:56 pmI gotta go with Scotty saying "I don't think that's accurate." I blasted the volume, and it's a bit clearer. Also note the inflection. Why would Scotty say "that's accurate" in the middle of Gregory's statement, unless asked specifically whether it was accurate by Gregory. Saying "that's accurate" to what Gregory was saying is not in Scotty's interest.
And as we all know, Scotty says nothing that's not in his interest.
November 9th, 2005 at 12:56 pmAfter spending way too much time reviewing this clip, I have to agree with Royko, he's saying more than "That's accurate", but the first part is not projected and is covered over by Gregory. HIs facial gestures immediately before and during his remark are not congruent with agreement with what Gregory's saying and his mouth is shaped as if he's saying something other than just the "th" in "That's accurate".
November 9th, 2005 at 12:56 pmDisclaimer for NeD. I am calling the Bush administration Nazis, not the troops in Iraq.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — November 9, 2005 @ 12:25 pm
The Bushistas are not Nazis: they are fascists, of course, but calling them Nazis diminishes the American Exceptionalism which inspires TRUE USer fascism. That said, some of the troops in Iraq, especially around Fallujah, have behaved in ways that would have made the SS proud, pal...
November 9th, 2005 at 12:58 pmWith all apologies and the utmost respect to Miss Bebe Moore Campbell to all you White House Believers "Your History Aint My HIstory" Dont you know Scott McClellan is just hatin life right now.
November 9th, 2005 at 12:58 pmI wonder what it will take for the press core to 'walk out' when scotty lies.
November 9th, 2005 at 12:59 pmI slowed it down in SoundForge, turned it up really loud in my headphones, there is no possible way he said that's accurate...UNLESS...he thought it and it never made it from his brain to his lips.
November 9th, 2005 at 1:00 pmAwww...nuts...in my post above I meant to say there is no possible way he said "That's NOT Accurate." Sorry.
November 9th, 2005 at 1:01 pm#30Kathleen, the big problem for Mr. McClellan and the WHPress Orafice is soon every reporter will ask "How Can We Believe You if you have mislead us before" and it has already been asked I believe by Mr. Gregory. Soon all the questions will have to be asked ahead of time in writing.
November 9th, 2005 at 1:04 pmLest we all forget... things like this, though less blatant, have happened before:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/22/16481/2921
November 9th, 2005 at 1:05 pmJessie, was that a typo in your post where you say he said "that's accurate", because it doesn't make sense in light of the context of the rest of your post.
November 9th, 2005 at 1:07 pmYes, the questions will be submitted ahead of time, and then the answers can be copied over and over and over.
November 9th, 2005 at 1:10 pmI wonder exactly WHY they wanted to change the reply.
What was it that isn't already known? What are they trying to hide, or not confirm?
I did a frame by frame breakdown of the video. You guys need to zoom in on the strings coming from the curtains behind the Scotty puppet. The strings were NOT moving!
November 9th, 2005 at 1:10 pmHow could he have uttered the words "I don't think" and not have any sound picked up by the microphone, and yet the words "that's accurate" are crystal clear. Even if he mumbled the first part, something should come through the microphone - but all I heard is "That's accurate".
November 9th, 2005 at 1:11 pm#33
Found this one at Wikepedia
"Nazi is also Bavarian slang for simpleton or bumpkin."
I am definitely gonna call these guys Nazis more often.
November 9th, 2005 at 1:11 pmIt's hard to tell exactly what he said, because they were both talking at once.
There are plenty of WH lies to chase after. This is a non-story. Don't waste bandwidth on it.
November 9th, 2005 at 1:14 pmI'm wondering what will happen first. Scotty quits or Scotty Spontaneously Combusts on camera while attempting to honestly answer 2 questions in a row.
November 9th, 2005 at 1:15 pmHis lips do open just prior to him audibly speaking, but it's ludicrous to believe that his mike wouldn't have picked up a "not" in there. He said it too fast. the only thing he could have said not audible was the prefix "in", as in "inaccurate", but again, the speed at what it was spoken doesn't really allow for that...
November 9th, 2005 at 1:18 pmHere. I've re-transcribed David Gregory's question so that Scotty's answer becomes truthful.
"Q Whether there’s a question of legality, we know for a fact that there was ...[a}...lawyer ...who Patrick Fitzgerald said...also had conversations."
See? Isn't that easier?
November 9th, 2005 at 1:20 pmSorry, after watching this video numerous times, anybody who thinks that he said "I don't think that's accurate" needs to get their hearing and sight check by a doctor.
Scotty clearly states, with nobody talking over him "That's accurate."
Karl Roves legal team want this changed, because it implicates Rove and can be used as evidence. Sorry Rove, you're fair game.
November 9th, 2005 at 1:23 pmHey, how's it hang'n? If a neo-con is hang'n we're doing just fine. Here in Kal-e-Fornia, we are having a state wide paper shreding day. Really we are. Guess who is sponsoring it? Wal-mart. Neo-con heaven. Boycott Wal-mart.
November 9th, 2005 at 1:28 pmpaging comrade trotsky, comrade trotsky to the red courtesy phone....
November 9th, 2005 at 1:29 pmRecall Monty Python skits.
"No I didn't..." &
"It's a late parrot..."
November 9th, 2005 at 1:30 pmThis is 1984, folks. The Bushies have enacted Orwell's prophetic novel. War is peace.
November 9th, 2005 at 1:30 pmAre you going to believe me or your lying ears?
To all neocon rightwing repugs,
November 9th, 2005 at 1:31 pmLIES ARE LIKE OXYGEN!!
The reason the White House wants to change the sentence from "That's accurate" to "I don't think that is accurate" and NOT to "That's not accurate" is that THAT would be a lie because it IS accurate. Thus Scotty McClellan is legally constrained to have said "I think" which leaves wiggle room for when he goes before a Grand Jury for obstruction of justice.
The White House is aware of how close they are to being impeached, and so they are watching their words carefully.
November 9th, 2005 at 1:39 pmThe video speaks for itself, whether CQ & FNS eventually bends or not...
.. but good catch, whoever!
November 9th, 2005 at 1:42 pm#41 Mr. G hit's it right on the head. WHY? I think the WH would learn by now "IT'S NOT THE CRIME IT'S THE COVERUP." Hey Spudge is there a Bravarian Slang Term for One who doesn't learn, or more appropriately one who doesn't pull his head out of his ASS?
November 9th, 2005 at 1:46 pmHe was shaking his head no and said "That's not correct", which when said quickly sounds like 'That's accurate"-- same pacing, same # of syllables.
November 9th, 2005 at 1:49 pmOf course, he's still a liar, but at least he consistently lies.
Actually, I he does say "I don't think that's accurate" if you read his lips,
but this point is irrelevant.
Gregory's question clearly *is* accurate, so I don't quite see what the debate
is about -- catching Scott McClellan in a obfuscation is about as hard
as finding a grammatically incorrect sentence in one of Bush's speeches.
And frankly I think this (like the Bush thumb-vs-finger debate) kind of
November 9th, 2005 at 1:52 pmgive the blogs a bad name...
Clearly Scott McClellan forgot to wave a shiny object in front off their eyes and implore, "Look deeply into my eyes" before he tried to spin his way out of that one!
November 9th, 2005 at 1:58 pm#59Mr. B you mean like read his lips like a dubbed over GODZILLA MOVIE. Hmm your quote "Gives the Blogs a bad name" judging by you over reaching generalization to diffuse any legitimate questioning I might believe that you are an AM Radio personality . Is this True?
November 9th, 2005 at 2:01 pmI listened and I watched. The words I Don't Think were not audible, nor were they visible. Ergo, they were not there.
The White House is deliberately trying to rewrite what was said. If it was a matter of offering a correction that would be one thing, but this is a denial of what was actually said.
Wankers.
November 9th, 2005 at 2:02 pmmy 2 cents here...#58 - he was definitely NOT shaking his head no - and he definitely said ONLY "that's accurate"...very obvious...
#13 - "nitpicky"? NITPICKY??!! you prefer LIES?
#55 - i think this is the best possible explination for the attempt to change the facts...imagine that...
November 9th, 2005 at 2:06 pmHoly F*ck. Suddenly it becomes apparent that being a stenographer to power is a dangerous business.
November 9th, 2005 at 2:07 pmI wonder if everyone involved with this mess addresses the President "pardon me Mr. President...?
November 9th, 2005 at 2:13 pmSpin, spin, spin, that all the Republican can do.
November 9th, 2005 at 2:13 pm#57
"Hey Spudge is there a Bravarian Slang Term for One who doesn’t learn, or more appropriately one who doesn’t pull his head out of his ASS?"
Yes, the word is NeoCon. :) Neo for Ass, Con for Head. or Ass head for short.
November 9th, 2005 at 2:17 pmPoor Scotty, he's gonna quit his job soon.
November 9th, 2005 at 2:18 pmWORDS MEAN EXACTLY WHAT I CHOOSE THEM TO MEAN!
November 9th, 2005 at 2:23 pmAnd in the future, Bush supporters will lie and say the White House never tried to get the record changed.
Document this carefully.
The most dishonest administration in the nation's history. Step back tricky dick, you don't hold a candle to Bush/Rove.
November 9th, 2005 at 2:41 pmHow can Scott McClellan live with himself? Colin Powell and every other person who ditched Bush in 2004 knew what was coming. They didn't want their names/reputations dragged down with Bush. Abandon ship now Scott, before the last memory anyone has of you is how you lied for the murderer George W. Bush.
November 9th, 2005 at 2:43 pmNow, I don't think that's not accurate and the President has already spoken to this in my response to the similar question a week ago, so when you keep demanding an answer we've already responded and we've been very clear that we can't comment on an ongoing investigation except to say that we take very seriously the war on terror and are doing everything in our power to protect the American people except of course for those things which some here are mischaracterizing which we don't do except for what we have to to prevent another 9/11.
Is that clear now? (/scotty)
November 9th, 2005 at 2:45 pm[...] Think Progress: That’s Not Accurate: White House Alters Transcript of Press Briefing [...]
November 9th, 2005 at 2:46 pmMy one comment, although initially seeming off topic, maybe brings some reflection to us all....
Today is the 16th anniversary of the Berlin Wall coming down.
November 9th, 2005 at 2:52 pmFor all of the latest CIA Leak/PlameGate news, briefings, documents, timelines and other key materials, visit:
The CIA Leak/PlameGate Scandal Resource Center.
November 9th, 2005 at 2:52 pmSome things to consider...
Both Mclellan and Rove have the gift of Ventriloquism.
They are able to double speak from their double chins!
I can't wait to see them doubled over on a double bunk!
Are MCLellan/Rove the same person? Like Gannon/Guckert?
HMMM thats deep.....
The web of lies is so complex that the simple truth is breaking through the clouds of apathy, ignorance and obstruction. A few rays of light.
The truth is self evident. How is Dick Cheney not the embodiment of evil by arguing for torture? How can you justify that after having given Pope John Paul a crystal dove of peace. google: cheney pope dove to see the ultimate in evil hypocracy.
Blasphemers All of them. These are the guys that Jesus threw out of the temple 2000 years ago wearing differnt suits charging beyond userous interest rates.
And still no truth as to why 2k have fallen. Greed is hard to cloak in an American technicolor Dreamcoat of rights and freedom.
Let's all pray for our Children!
JM
November 9th, 2005 at 2:54 pm#73
You forgot:
"I appreciate your question."
and
"I think we all can agree."
Two of Scotty's favorite "I am listening to you, but don't give a sh!t" begining to his "answers" for reporters.
November 9th, 2005 at 2:58 pm#13, go back and read #1, specifically the part about propaganda. This administration is a conveyor belt of non-stop verbal pollution. It simply never ends.
November 9th, 2005 at 2:59 pmIn this case as some others it does'nt matter what was said. Given the neocons M O whatever was said will be twisted and tortured as to mean just the opposite. Propaganda has been reguarded by the Bush crew as a weapon of choice. Alone they would have failed . However the corporate media and paid pundits enabled these lies to go forward.
November 9th, 2005 at 3:07 pmAgree with previous poster who said press corps should just walk out. What's the point of access when all you get is constant lies. WH press corps needs to get off it's lazy "access" asses and go cultivate some backdoor sources. There have to be some people in the WH who are feeling like they need to start taking care of their own futures and not worry about Bush or Rove.
November 9th, 2005 at 3:15 pminstead of the gulags they investigate the leaks.
instead of just setting the record straight about what rove and libby actually did and what they actually said and to whom, they challenge the transcript of what their own communications dude said.
it's a farce. when will the republicans warm up to impeachment? why can't they see that it is in their own best interests to end this farce. these people are common criminals.
November 9th, 2005 at 3:20 pmC'mon, these goddamn Bush admin Jews monkeys lied this once proud land into a war to further the Zionist wet dream of Eretz Israel.
Is anyone surprised they'd lie about this?
November 9th, 2005 at 3:23 pm[...] That’s Not Accurate: White House Alters Transcript of Press Briefing [...]
November 9th, 2005 at 3:26 pmHi, I'm Scott McClellan. I hate myself because I'm a liar. I work for liars who are evil. I drink myself into a stubor every night and eat three pizzas a day. As you can see, I'm quite bloated. I'm in the closet because I work for a group of people who preach intolerance. I hate myself. Can't I answer Jeff Gannon's softball questions like in the good ol' days? You know Jeff Gannon -- Karl Rove's lover.
November 9th, 2005 at 3:35 pmDead Elephant!
Dead Elephant!
Dead Elephant!
Dead Elephant!
November 9th, 2005 at 3:41 pmIt's most definitely just the words "That's accurate."
This assertion is also further backed by the observation of Scotty's demeanor when he makes the statement. Anyone who has EVER watched Scott deny a claim has observed how vehemently he denies something. If he thought Gregory's statement was NOT accurate, he wouldn't have let it pass with such a simple, rather uninspired denial.
It's clear he felt the statement was accurate, and any attempt to change the transcript should be meet with the utmost skepticism.
November 9th, 2005 at 3:43 pm[...] Think Progress [...]
November 9th, 2005 at 3:56 pmHey! Where is Fake But Not Accurate?
November 9th, 2005 at 3:57 pm[...] Think Progress [...]
November 9th, 2005 at 3:58 pmClip is not working for me. Anybody else having this problem?
November 9th, 2005 at 4:02 pmAren't they trying to edit history too?
November 9th, 2005 at 4:05 pm#83 Radon, I'm sorry your ferver in your beliefs has led you to use some pretty, not so pretty adjectives to describe basically a simple explanation for the supporting theories behind our current foreign policy direction. Might I suggest maybe a reference ; the Progress for a New American Century. Maybe this is the source of your assumption to a Zionist agenda being implemented. I think the Saudis are the most puzzling piece of the equation along with OPEC. Question for you; At what point did we not become a proud land, of say 290 million people?
November 9th, 2005 at 4:05 pmIMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH
November 9th, 2005 at 4:24 pmThe Japanese have been caught attempting to change the schoolbooks for their children , whats a little erasing among friends , are we becoming the dominant military society that was Japan ?
November 9th, 2005 at 4:29 pmMan, these clowns have been doing this since day 1. Cheney went on all the sunday shows back in 2002 saying all this shit, and when he came back on them a year later he denied saying it even though it was on tape. the worst part is that no one called him out on it.
November 9th, 2005 at 4:34 pmAt today's Scott McClennan daily press charade a woman reporter tried to press the case that white house staff sign an oath that has legal ramifications if they leak government secrets. This oath would hold Lewis Libby accountable for his leaks beyond the specific requirements of the law of exposing a CIA agent's identity. Someone, I believe David Gregory, sold out his collegue (sp?) by assisting Scotty in moving her questions along. This is an important issue as the White House creates this masquerade of ethics classes. Why would Gregory play suck up at this point??
November 9th, 2005 at 4:34 pmYou left-wing freakjobs can't hear the forest for the trees. Clearly Mr. McClellan said "I most do wholeheartedly swear upon my oath to God and Country that you, sir, speak lies." There's no debate about it! LISTEN. In fact, that's not even Scotty McClellan. Anyone with eyes can plainly see that's some half-stoned liberal pus-bag dressed up in a poor man's Scotty suit. Probably left over from some sick Leftist halloween party. God only knows what sort of perverted sexual acts were done in it. The whole thing is a sham! Look at the oval around the White House. See how it's whiter and more pointy toward the LEFT?? Dead giveaway. And if you listen REALLY closely you can hear that what the reporter (who actually is David Gregory -- he's part of the conspiricy) says is: "Rove, bark bark bark. Rove. Grrrrr. BAD MEAN MEN. GRRRRR. God damn it Helen Thomas, stop pinching my ass! BARK! Scotty bad. Grrr. SPIRO AGNEW!"
November 9th, 2005 at 4:49 pmI don't know what you guys are talking about. Scott McClellan didn't say what the tape says he said, that's just part of the vasr left wing conspiracy orchestrated by the Main Stream Media. Oh, and in case you are wondering, the sign behind President Bush in that carrier said, The Mission Continues, not Mission Accomplished. And one last thing, President Bush never actually said that there were Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, he said there was a possibility that there could be WMDs in Iraq. So there...now that that's settled, what else do you want me to "correct."
If you say something long enough, people are bound to believe it.
November 9th, 2005 at 4:55 pmin re #96:
Jon Stewart totally called Liar Cheney on this. He played the clip where Cheney denied saying it, then played the clip where Cheney first said it, then showed Cheney with his pants on fire.
It's more than a little scary that the best news I get about these crooks, liars, and thieves is from a "fake" news show.
Charlie L
November 9th, 2005 at 4:56 pmPortland, OR
"That's INaccurate" McClellan says. I'm not defending the Bushies, because they're the worst administration ever, but if you objectively listen to the tape you'll hear him say "that's inaccurate."
November 9th, 2005 at 4:59 pmWho cares? The McClellan press briefings have been a study in bald-faced institutionalized lie-fests for years.
"that's accurate." "that's not accurate."
You can't seriously give a damn...at this late stage.
November 9th, 2005 at 5:01 pmIsn't it time for Scott McCellan to go? Or has everyone agreed he is the Minister of Disinformation?
November 9th, 2005 at 5:02 pmYet further proof that the Chimp-in-Chief and his White House thugs and traitors are a continuing criminal conspiracy.
If you support Dubya, you are an idiot.
November 9th, 2005 at 5:09 pmRepublicans Lie, Americans Die. It's the way of the NeoCons...
November 9th, 2005 at 5:13 pmrevisionist history in the truest sense of the expression... don't like the truth? change it... don't like the past? change it!
November 9th, 2005 at 5:16 pmThe GOP has perfected Orwellian politics.
War is truth.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
(We love Big Brother.)
November 9th, 2005 at 5:32 pm[...] I’m not alone. Comments Off [...]
November 9th, 2005 at 5:34 pmI don't understand what the problem is. Now that we have defined "last throes" as "eternal bloodshed" we can move on to the careful diagnosis of what exactly "thats accurate" means. Now I listened veeeeery carefully, and I believe I heard McClellon say "Thats absolutely absurd, and I categorically deny thats the case. Mission accomplished, we do not torture, and theres not a damned thing wrong with Condi's shoes."
November 9th, 2005 at 6:19 pmYes, they are so busy trying to revise history that they leave the video of the press conference up for all to hear that he said "That's accurate". Holy geez Batman they are cunning!
Oh, and as far as the reporter's statement? It wasn't accurate. Valerie Plame was not a "covert" agent, nor has Fitzgerald said that she was. Her employment was classified information, but she was not "covert" under the law.
So basically the White House is trying to change the transcript to what McClellan should have said, and what was the truth.
Damn them for trying to change mistakes into the truth! Damn them to hell!
November 9th, 2005 at 6:51 pmAfter seeing Scott's very troubling exchange with Helen Thomas et al. yesterday, I dreamed last night that poor Scotty, fed up with repeatedly being lied to and sent out to propagate and defend the lies, decided to wear a wire and expose them all. Sadly, I awoke before learning the fate of that tape. He just doesn't seem as venal as the rest of them, so I keep wondering when he'll have had enough. The whole mess feels more and more like the McCarthy swamp 50+ years ago, not to mention Watergate 30+ years ago. Woe is us!
November 9th, 2005 at 7:03 pmSeixon, you're completely wrong and one of the insane. She was covert. Non-official cover is covert. She was covert under the law. The problem is proving intent to out her purposel not that she was covert. Transcripts are not what people should have said. Ever had a job transcribing? It's writing down exactly what they did say. You're a completely insane human being.
November 9th, 2005 at 7:07 pmFrom the State of Exhaustion, But Still Able to Tell the Difference Between Lies and Mass Murder
Watching the frazologies, or how the common misuse of the word "fascist" (discussed here before) reveals people who think that a Bush Administration lie about the outing of a CIA agent is equivalent to the murder of six million Jews, as well as the m...
November 9th, 2005 at 7:14 pmThis IS a non story. Yes he said that's accurate but he was mouthing something and he was shaking his head no. I think he was stressed because of all the lying he is having to do and he forgot to breath or speak and the only words that made it out were "eep that's accurate". Let's not go after every little thing just because we can. There are actual crimes and things worth going after them for.
November 9th, 2005 at 7:16 pmIt's quite clear. He said "gazatcha." Why he said that is a mystery: I didn't hear anyone sneeze.
November 9th, 2005 at 7:17 pmHey- Seixon-
You need to check your facts. Valerie Plame was most definitely a covert agent. It was the CIA that requested an investigation of her outing. They don't do that for clerks.
November 9th, 2005 at 7:24 pm#109 POA you have made my day! & #116 Ms. D It's Valerie Flame, and outing is for gays only.
November 9th, 2005 at 7:34 pm"That's accurate" There's no honestly debating that's what the man said. "That's accurate" You can replay the tape as many times as you like; look at it on reverse angle and the man says: "That's accurate" It reminds me of a Lenny Bruce bit about cheating on your wife. Lenny advised deny, deny, deny. But sir we have pictures of you in bed with that chicken. "It's not me!" "That's my story and I am sticking to it!"
November 9th, 2005 at 7:44 pmHow Orwellian Can You Get?
I thought I had seen the nadir of stupid things that this
administration had done.
Especially with the lies that were so easy to disprove.
This, however, takes the cake.
Rewriting the text of the White House news gaggle of 10/31/05, and att...
November 9th, 2005 at 7:56 pmspeaking of faschism and how they work and how this admin is following the book. ala leo strauss
November 9th, 2005 at 7:59 pmhttp://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=britt_23_2
srgtick and Diana,
I'm sorry, but I must insist that you are wrong about Mrs. Wilson being covert, or that Mr. Fitzgerald has said that she was. If you don't believe me, hop on over to the transcript of Fitzgerald's .
In order to be considered "covert" you must have been outside the USA for a extended period of time within the last 5 years. Mrs. Wilson returned to the USA in 1997 and has not had an overseas mission since then. Her identity was fully compromised in 2003. Ergo, she was not "covert" under the law.
If you still don't believe me, go read the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.
She was not "covert". Her employment with the CIA was classified information, she was not "covert". There is a distinction there.
Also, I would like to add that I do not think it was wise of the White House to write the transcript in that manner, but I understand full well why they did it. It is because sites like this one will misuse what was a mistake by McClellan to use as propaganda later. Even though what the reporter asked McClellan was completely wrong.
In other words, McClellan should have said "That's not accurate", but he didn't. The White House should not have done the transcript the way they did, but they only did so because now they are going to be hounded by questions about McClellan's obvious slip-up.
The truth still remains that what the reporter said was, in fact, inaccurate. Nothing will change that, but anti-Bush administration people will use McClellan's gaffe as proof that the statement was accurate. Even though it was not. Which is exactly what the White House sought to nip in the bud.
Now please do read the transcript of the Fitzgerald press conference, and please do read the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. Educate yourselves and stop letting dishonest reporters fool you.
November 9th, 2005 at 8:18 pmWhy is anyone so surprised that they'd try to re-write history. They lie all the time. I watching a show where a reporter asked Dick Cheney about some of his comments about Iraq and 9/11 terrorists and he denied saying it.
November 9th, 2005 at 8:23 pmThey showed a split screen where in fact he'd said such things, several times. They are pathological, and they tell the lies so often, they tend to believe the stories themselves.
Seixon,
You should stop reading republican websites, they're making you stupid. If Plame had not been 'covert', the CIA would not have had either a basis or a foundation for pursuing the independent investigation.
Your entire stance is both irrational and illogical, like all republican propaganda nonsense.
November 9th, 2005 at 8:28 pmSeixon,
There's no 'restriction' or 'caveat' - which is the propaganda LIE/SPIN you've presented. A single trip overseas without diplomatic passport to do work would qualify for this. YOU ARE A FOOL!
TITLE 50 > CHAPTER 15 > SUBCHAPTER IV > § 426
§ 426. Definitions
The term “covert agent†means—
(A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency or a present or retired member of the Armed Forces assigned to duty with an intelligence agency—
(i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified information, and
(ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States; or
In testimony before a joint committee of congressional Democrats on July 22, Johnson reiterated his knowledge of Plame's covert status:
Although Val started off with official cover, she later joined a select group of intelligence officers a few years later when she became a NOC, i.e. a Non-Official Cover officer. That meant she agreed to operate overseas without the protection of a diplomatic passport. She was using cover, which we now know because of the leak to Robert Novak, of the consulting firm Brewster-Jennings. When she traveled overseas she did not use or have an official passport. If she had been caught engaged in espionage activities while traveling overseas without the black passport she could have been executed. We must put to bed the lie that she was not undercover. For starters, if she had not been undercover then the CIA would not have referred the matter to the Justice Department.
November 9th, 2005 at 8:37 pmNice catch, wonkette!
Still, you have to give Winston Smith credit for at least trying.
November 9th, 2005 at 8:37 pmLooks as if Scotty is really trying to make History.........His Story.....for shame.
November 9th, 2005 at 8:43 pmRyan,
Plame had not served outside the USA 5 years prior to the revelation of her employment at the CIA.
She had a cover, yes. Her employment was classified information, yes. She does not qualify as a "covert agent" under the law you just brought up, because she has not served outside the USA 5 years prior to July 2003.
If you have information showing that she served outside the USA in those 5 years prior to July 2003, please bring it on down.
I didn't read Republican websites, I read the press conference of Fitzgerald and the IIPA. As far as I know, those aren't Republican websites.
I will again remind you that the reporter's statement was false. He said:
"somebody who Patrick Fitzgerald said was a covert officer of the Central Intelligence Agency"
Patrick Fitzgerald said no such thing. It is a false statement. Get over it. Go read the Fitzgerald press conference. He never said this. Zzzzz....
November 9th, 2005 at 8:56 pmDon't Stop Now
I'm loving the new software and am finally figuring things out. Some great posts tonight in the blogosphere. From politics to war. Dig in.
November 9th, 2005 at 9:03 pmNot true. Plame had made trips for Brewster-Jennings on assignment - and that's what the law states 'assignment'.
Stop lying...
November 9th, 2005 at 9:11 pmSo Seixon,
Does that mean that a marine who's sent to Iraq for a week of 'special duty' did not 'serve in iraq'?
You're a partisan fool, a retard and a hack! How dare you be disgraceful enough to try to whitewash an act of treason!
You are a fool, a coward, and a traitor to this country!
November 9th, 2005 at 9:19 pmRe # 121:
Fitzgerald certainly DID say that Plame was "covert," as defined in any English dictionary. Mine says: "concealed, secret, disguised." Fitzgerald went to great pains to communicate that she was covert under this definition, citing abundant indicators such as the fact that the CIA referred the case for investigation in the first place, the fact that her family and friends were in the dark, the fact that she worked for a CIA front, etc., etc.
David Gregory was clearly using the word in this non-legalistic sense, as he made clear in the opening words of his question: “WHETHER THERE IS A QUESTION OF LEGALITY, we know for a fact that there was involvement.†(Emphasis mine.)
Seixon is right, however from the legal perspective. Plame was NOT "covert" as defined in the applicable law, unless she had served abroad in the past five years. Seixon says Plame did NOT serve abroad since 1997. I do not know this to be true nor have I seen evidence other than assertion one way or the other. I'll wager that the only reason Libby was not indicted for a violation of this law is that Plame had NOT served abroad in five years.
That said, Seixon might educate himself on the law. It says nothing at all about being abroad for "an extended period of time" to qualify as covert. It merely says, "who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States."
It would seem to me that a trip under cover to Tijuana for the afternoon would qualify to make one covert under the law. Should anyone have more information on this question, please post it.
Here is the law in question:
US Code
Title 50
Chapter 15
Section 426
For the purposes of this subchapter:
(4) The term ''covert agent'' means -
(A) a present or retired officer or employee of an
intelligence agency or a present or retired member of the Armed
Forces assigned to duty with an intelligence agency -
(i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member
is classified information, and
(ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within
the last five years served outside the United States; or
(B) a United States citizen whose intelligence relationship
to the United States is classified information, and -
(i) who resides and acts outside the United States as an
agent of, or informant or source of operational assistance
to, an intelligence agency, or
(ii) who is at the time of the disclosure acting as an
agent of, or informant to, the foreign counterintelligence or
foreign counterterrorism components of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation; or
(C) an individual, other than a United States citizen, whose
past or present intelligence relationship to the United States
is classified information and who is a present or former agent
of, or a present or former informant or source of operational
assistance to, an intelligence agency.
Reference: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/50/chapters/15/subchapters/iv/sections/section%5F426.html
November 9th, 2005 at 9:20 pmHold on folks...
I am certainly no fan of that asshole at the podium but I do think you have to scrutinize him as you would one of your own.
The "that’s accurate' comment is an interjection and I do not think for a damn moment that Mac would interject to agree with a criticism of his buddies.
Your ear can only hear what the mic picks up. Try this: slow that vid down and scope out the mouth movements. Mac does say something prior to "that’s accurate"...and if you watch yourself in the mirror you will see that the phrase "I don’t think" is not very visible. The first word in that phrase that requires a strong alveolar usage is 'that’s' and consequently it is very visible. The lingual-palatial "don’t" and the lingual dental 'think' are not visible as they do not require an open mouth.
Maybe he said it, ummmmm, I do think a party of "mature" and "moral" folks should give the benefit of the doubt to the accused. It is the American way.
Yes I just suggested that it is the Democrats that are Moral, Mature and American.
November 9th, 2005 at 9:21 pmRichard
dumbya: "We never lie unless the truth don't work."
I guess if they can't make their lies work, they rewrite history.
November 9th, 2005 at 9:21 pmRichard,
David Brooks already confirmed that it was 'official policy' for the government to lie to press for their agenda. The benefit of the doubt goes away, when the criminal confesses. That's already happened for republicans!
November 9th, 2005 at 9:23 pmWhen are they going to rewrite the State of the Union address where dumbya LIED about the nukes?
I suspect that is next on the agenda.
Then they will rewrite the history books and call Hitler a great leader.
November 9th, 2005 at 9:27 pm[...] And on and on for several minutes… He apparently made just one slip up, and despite numerous transcribers and audio recordings catching the slip, the White House Transcript doesn’t show it. [...]
November 9th, 2005 at 9:39 pmRyan,
Please cite a source for Plame serving overseas. I find the term "served" to be a bit vague in the law, as I'm not sure a one-night trip to another country as a spy would mean you "served". I could be wrong, but nonetheless, I have seen no evidence of Plame "serving" abroad in that period of time. If you have credible evidence of this, Ryan, then cough it up. You know, instead of calling me a bunch of names. I operate under the influence of evidence, not partisan bickering. You'll notice that I never said that the act of divulging the information about Plame was not bad and not a crime. However, it seems you have already made up your mind simply because I am trying to hold you to facts instead of liberal dogma.
Gordon,
Look, Fitzgerald never says in that press conference that Plame was covert. He doesn't. Read it. He never does. He refuses to say whether she is or not.
The Real American,
Go to hell. It's people like you who ruin this world. Seeking to create a Hitler out of Bush only further divides the USA and the world. There comes nothing good of it, except it makes you feel better about your pathetic little self. Get a life.
kjlovell,
Bush never lied about any "nukes" in his SOTU. So if anyone is rewriting anything, it's you.
Why must you Bush-bashers always persist to rewrite things, resort to hyperbole, take things out of context and otherwise make fools of yourselves?
Don't you realize that if you are ever going to beat Bush, you're going to have to be BETTER than him and not do the same things you accuse him of? It's just like Michael Moore accusing Bush of lying, and then making a film full of lies to try and prove his point.
Things don't work that way. Be honest. Stick to the facts. Educate yourself and stay away from partisan propaganda BS.
The old adage, "if something sounds too good, it probably is," is a good one to remember.
November 9th, 2005 at 9:53 pmthat clip sounds like the Mr Black voice on the Kamp Krusty video
November 9th, 2005 at 10:01 pmOK...let's put it this way. From #131 above:
For the purposes of this subchapter:
(4) The term ‘’covert agent'’ means -
(A) a present or retired officer or employee of an
intelligence agency or a present or retired member of the Armed Forces assigned to duty with an intelligence agency -
(i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified information, and...
Now, let's play editor.
"The term 'covert agent' means...a present or retired officer...whose identity...is classified information..."
And before anyone accuses me of selective editing, I don't think any of the words I removed in any way negates what we are left with.
Now, for the simple question: what part of classified = covert do you not understand? How can we make it more simple? Shall I write it using a crayon?
November 9th, 2005 at 10:18 pmC'mon, it's easier than that-- the response was perfectly calculated. It was exactly what it was. Mumble "I don't think" inaudibly, then say "that's accurate" loudly. That way you've answered the question both ways, and once you receive word from Rove telling you which one you were supposed to say, that is the one that gets immortalized in the transcript. I'll bet he's even practiced this!
November 9th, 2005 at 10:20 pmI can't imagine any idiot going over the tape frame by frame this is not the Kennedy assasination in fact it's charecter asasination. WHO CARES? Any fair person knows what he meant. That's a far cry from the "stirring words of Reid yesterdy, talk about mumbo-jumbo. The libs can't even get a person who is awake to speak.Maybe they should use Shumer(ny)who sounded like a New York sterotype with his classic comment re:Myers "It could have been worse"
November 9th, 2005 at 10:22 pmMcClellen must be jailed on conspiracy charges. He's a traitor to America!
November 9th, 2005 at 11:04 pmLinks - Post Election Hangover Edition
Yes, yes: Democrats (with the exception of RINO Bloomberg) pretty much kicked some ass yesterday. Here are some interesting things to read: Noted intelligence fabricator and convicted felon Ahmad Chalabi was in DC and gave a speech at AEI -...
November 9th, 2005 at 11:06 pm"Capt' ain!...Capt" ain! She caaaan't take"t any more! to much filth and the speed is to "high"...She will implode Capt' ain....."
November 9th, 2005 at 11:39 pm"Keep at it Scotty! We must make it..keep her going scotty...That's our only chance..."
"Ai Capt' ain! I'll try..."
That's pretty incontrovertible evidence. McClellan's utterance didn't have enough syllables to be transcribed as "I think that is not accurate."
The audio is consistent with "That's accurate," and nothing else, except maybe "That's Acura."
See this is why coverups are so deadly. It's the layers upon layers of lies that put your ass in sling.
The more the White House lies, the more they invite the perception that they have something to hide. Stop protecting Rove and cue up the honeybaked ham.
November 9th, 2005 at 11:39 pmAhhhh, Scottie, Freudian Slip, Freudian Slip, Freudian Slip. Just for a moment the veil parted and the truth slipped out through Scottie's lips. So, the spiNazis in the White House do what they always do...try to cover-up and the keep the Truth from U.S. citizens. Typical. But more and more American citizens are catching on to the Republican spiNazi message spamming machine and their flim-flam tactics. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me 500 times and shame on...wait, I don't think shame is quite the word to describe what U.S. citizens are feeling right now after being lied to and "fooled" by the Republican neo-cons so many times. Gut-wrenching horror is the more proper description of what many American citizens are feeling toward the Bush administration, their Republican enablers and lying co-conspirators in Congress and spokesmen like Scottie. It's about time!!!
November 9th, 2005 at 11:42 pmLooked at C-span 10/31/05 briefing scotty clearly said thats accurate
November 9th, 2005 at 11:54 pmSeixon,
Apparently you must be Mighty Aphrodite in drag. Also, a troll like you doesn't deserve to be called an American with this pro-Bush garbage that you're trying to pump down our throats.
Bush is not a God. Bush is a former frat boy who drinks like a fish, married to a drunk who killed her boyfriend in a DUI, ran business that didn't make a profit and likes having frat boys and businessmen running our country to the ground.
Get out of this blog, your senseless words are beginning to bore me (yawn).
November 10th, 2005 at 12:00 amBulshite - oops - I mean Bushite's rule !
November 10th, 2005 at 12:48 amNext time McClellen or anyone else at Bushco tries to tell the media what America wants to know, I suggest the media tell them "America wants the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So help you God".
November 10th, 2005 at 1:43 amYou're #1 in my books I-R-I.
I agree about everything but the N word.
they'll be in the camps before long!
November 10th, 2005 at 4:00 am#152, You're right!
Get 'em quick!
November 10th, 2005 at 4:01 amSexion, pull your head out of your azz.
If you haven't been awake for the last 6 years, don't blame others.
Your boy (chimp) and his handlers are screwing everyone but the mega-rich. During which activity, they themselves are getting richer.
If you want to do better financially, I suggest you either start screwing them, or become a productive citizen of the planet.
Either way, the choice is yours. I have said many times before that I simply can not fix stupidity. So, if you are to be "fixed" you'll either have to find a miracle worker or do it yourself.
Cheers, have a good day.
November 10th, 2005 at 4:05 amAnd further, sick-eon, evolution is the proper theory, not "intelligent design".
but, have it your own way. And, those gays will one day be able to be part of the world, just like the blacks.
DEAL WITH IT.
November 10th, 2005 at 4:07 am# 71, Captain Video
"Dummkopf" is accurate *g*
"Kindskopf" is rather used to describe someone who is joking around and not really meant in a negative way.
Another one would be "Pfeifenkopf": literal translation: pipe head *g*
November 10th, 2005 at 5:11 amhttp://scribeokc.blogspot.com/2005/11/white-house-
Now I wonder why the White House would want to manipulate the record. Could it be that it didn't fit the company line or that they realized that they would be caught in another lie? Where have we seen this before? Something about information that led...
November 10th, 2005 at 7:49 amMighty aphrodite, I Right and Sexion, all peas in a pod, these three. It's hate and bigotry which blinds them. Very pathetic.
November 10th, 2005 at 7:59 amA Press Secretary is being paid big bucks to communicate. He is a professional and he knows that his diction needs to be crystal clear.
November 10th, 2005 at 8:02 amThe only words that were audible and clear are "that's accurate." The accurate transcription reflects what was said, not what anyone wants to imply.
Perhaps McClellan should leave if he cannot clearly communicate.
Scott McClellan = Baghdad Bob
November 10th, 2005 at 8:14 am[...] Pressure from the blogosphere has forced the White House to answer more questions about the transcript of the October 31 press briefing. Video of the briefing clearly demonstrates that, after NBC’s David Gregory described the involvement of Karl Rove and Scooter Libby in the CIA leak scandal, McClellan said “that’s accurate.” Nevertheless, the White House transcript lists McClellan’s answer as “I don’t think that’s accurate.” [...]
November 10th, 2005 at 8:44 am"Scott, was Jeff Gannon a boyfriend of yours?"
"That's accurate."
November 10th, 2005 at 8:47 amSpeaking of sanitizing stuff, I just reread Rebuilding America's Defenses over at PNAC, wanting to post something from it to a reichwingnut. The version currently up at PNAC seems to have removed all references to "Pax Americana" and substituted "American peace". Also, I could no longer find the line stating that the American public would be reluctant to accept this (the defense plans outlined in the paper), barring some catelyzing Pearl Harbor type event.
Maybe someone with better eyesight than mine could check it out and see if I'm correct, but it appeared to me, when I reread it, that it had been newly sanitized.
November 10th, 2005 at 9:12 amBecause his lips are moving: White House denies video's accuracy.
White House denies video's accuracy.
November 10th, 2005 at 9:15 amSo still no one who has any evidence that Plame served outside the USA the 5 years prior to the outing? Must be tough to know that you are wrong and then just make a bunch of completely insane comments about me, asking for me to leave, and so on.
kjlovell and others,
What in the hell? I'm an atheist you little braindead farm animal. Why do you think that because I am trying to hold you to facts that I must be some kind of retarded religious Republican?
If you can't deal with being wrong, go get psychiatric help. I am probably more liberal than you are, but don't let that stop you from attacking me as if I am something else simply to avoid having to admit you were wrong.
And I will be gladly waiting for anyone to provide evidence that Plame served outside the USA during the period 1998-2003. If you cannot find any, then Plame does not qualify as a "covert agent" under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.
That does not mean her employment was not classified information, as it clearly was.
November 10th, 2005 at 9:20 amOh, and for those keeping score, Patrick Fitzgerald has never said that Plame was covert, so the statement by the reporter that McClellan answered to was in fact not accurate. Fire McClellan, I don't care, he's been a horrible press secretary for years.
November 10th, 2005 at 9:22 amI can't get the link above to work correctly. So I went both to the White House site (press briefings with Scott McC.) and to CSPAN. He clearly says, "that's accurate" on both videos. (It's around the 5.02 mark....)
I'm a transcriptionist (medical). I listen to physicians and hearing a slurred, whispered, abbreviated 'no' or 'not' is very, very important. Mr. McClellan did not say "I don't think" before saying, "that's accurate." He did not mouth any other words nor does he murmur them.
November 10th, 2005 at 9:25 amRove's spin machine has run out of oil. Darn-it anyway!
He is such a pathological liar and self-entitled narcissist that he thinks he can't possibly be caught in his own web of deception.
Arrogant - for oh so long and highly successful at it to. Hate smears, denials, lies, toxic shame, blame and political hack games that date back to his high school days and that was more than 40 years ago. That's a long time to make a habit and pattern work so well that it is as automatic as breathing.
Ah, but now, the great white shark, now beached and its deadly bite, is ONLY temporarily spun into another type of reality enema. Beware of wounded, dangerous predators.
We can't, even for a moment, however, trust that this vile creature will become an enlightened human and confess his sins. Nope, it'll always be more of the same with Rove, so DO NOT ignore the fact that it still has deadly teeth that rip our souls into a planetary scale of agony.
November 10th, 2005 at 9:46 amNot only did the Repug agenda get decidedly trounced on Tuesday, but here's a telling anecdote:
I sat at the polls in Mt Vernon, Maine, from 12-3 PM, and we were discussing schedules of people working the polls
that day. It appears they were significantly short on Republican help this year, so the R. poll workers all had to work extra shifts.
The elderly lady next to me, born in Mt Vernon and a Republican all her life, said
"I think they don't want to show their faces as Republicans anymore" Without thinking, I quipped,
"If I had voted for Bush I know I'd be embarrassed too!"
All she did was nod.
Later she told me her nephew who lived in a suburb of Miami, was SHOT and KILLED when police came unannounced , without a warrant, at 4:30 in the morning and kicked in the door! He had no way of knowing it wasn't a home invasion (which it was!) grabbed for his gun, and they just shot him!
Turns out they got the WRONGE HOUSE!!!
I just shook my head in disbelief, saying, "well, that appears to be their attitude since the "Patriot" Act: Shoot first and ask questions later! No warrant, or even identifying yourself as cops required!
I can tell you, there's ONE lady who's been converted the hard way!
And do you know, I don't think they ever put our Mount Vernon Resolution against the "Patriot" Act up at our town office?
(I worked so hard on that, and it was passed by an overwhelming show-of-hands vote at Town Meetin'! Classic grass-roots Democracy, even in a heavily-Republican town!)
I think I'll send them a nice framed copy and have my spies check and make sure they finally put it up!
Bia
November 10th, 2005 at 9:55 am[...] So this is what that “integrity” thing looks like? Apparently one thing was said at a White House press briefing by Scott McClellan. News services transcribed it. But then the White House published the transcript with the sentance flipped to the opposite. Video confirms the news services were right but the White House is still insisting they change it. Oh yeah, it’s about the Libby indictment, so that would fit into the White House CYA mode on this story. [...]
November 10th, 2005 at 11:01 amLater she told me her nephew who lived in a suburb of Miami, was SHOT and KILLED when police came unannounced , without a warrant, at 4:30 in the morning and kicked in the door! He had no way of knowing it wasn’t a home invasion (which it was!) grabbed for his gun, and they just shot him!
I can tell you, there’s ONE lady who’s been converted the hard way!
Bia
Comment by Bia Winter
Those damn Nazi republican cops should be strung up....wink-wink. Liberal cops would never have done something like that...wink-wink. I think it's all George Bush's fault... winkawinka.
"And do you know, I don’t think they ever put our Mount Vernon Resolution against the “Patriot†Act up at our town office?
(I worked so hard on that, and it was passed by an overwhelming show-of-hands vote at Town Meetin’!"
Comment by Bia Winter
Oh no! Say it isn't so! All the girls raised their hands and drew up a resolution against the Patriot Act and the town didn't hang it up? Not even on the refrigerator in the council lounge? That's disgraceful I tell you. And after all that work and voting and everything! Poor, poor lady. America just isn't a democracy anymore is it. I blame George Bush don't you? hehehehehe
November 10th, 2005 at 11:05 amArrogant - for oh so long and highly successful at it to. Hate smears, denials, lies, toxic shame, blame and political hack games that date back to his high school days and that was more than 40 years ago.
Comment by roberta
I didn't think Bill Clinton Was that old. He is looking kinda raggety these days though isn't he?
November 10th, 2005 at 11:09 amBy the way. What's wrong with the posted quick time movie of that press meeting? It's all jerky like somebody did a lousy edit on it. Especially the "that's not accurate" comment. It's absolutely amazing to me that you people can watch that blatant lie and repeat it as if it's the truth. Oh yeah, that's what many of you do for fun, never mind.
November 10th, 2005 at 11:16 am[...] The current White House Press Secretary is Scott McClellen. Scottie is a man who either enjoys his job too much or should seek psychological help as he is clearly a pathological liar. In that respect he’s fairly good at his job - if only it weren’t for those darn transcripts that keep coming back to bite him in the arse. [...]
November 10th, 2005 at 11:28 am"I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but what you heard is not really what I meant".
- Richard Nixon
Lying is always more convoluted than speaking the simple truth.
November 10th, 2005 at 11:46 amLying is always more convoluted than speaking the simple truth.
Comment by Alex Roberts
"It depends upon what your definition of is, is."
~BJ Clinton
November 10th, 2005 at 12:15 pm"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." -- Herman Goering at Nuremberg 1946
November 10th, 2005 at 12:17 pmI would like to know if the people who have posted on this thread, this clip is edited, have their heads so far up their "Arrs" that they are scared of day light? I have read so many blogs and articles about this administration's propaganda and spin. I would never be so ignorant to post in a blog/thread that this clip wasn't true. ;-O?????
November 10th, 2005 at 12:21 pmDo these people know how stupid they sound?
Oh but wait, I know what will be the next comment! "Bill Clinton got a bj from and intern." "The Democratic senators are just winning."
It is obvious this thread has been infultrated by the those who like to look stupid, and support this administrations spin.
WOW! I'm impressed!????
Conflating a hearsay account of an unwarranted FBI break-in to the Patriot Act? By the way, how does she know they didn't have a warrant? They don't tell you when they are going to bust in on your house, ya know... Doesn't mean that they didn't get a warrant. And what does it have to do with the Patriot Act? Not a damn thing.
Are you pretending that illegal FBI busts never happened before the Patriot Act?
The delusional mind tricks are strong over here.
So is everyone content then that McClellan did say "That's accurate" even though he should have said the opposite, since the reporter's claim was in fact inaccurate?
And are we also content to admit that Plame was not a "covert agent" by the law since she had served in official capacity outside the USA in the period 1998-2003?
Good. Then I think everyone will see how much of a non-issue this is.
November 10th, 2005 at 12:27 pmAs much as I hate to side with the Bush administration, upon carefully watching McClellan as he made the comment, it appears that he was mumbling something before he said "That's accurate." But "That's accurate" was all that was audible. It seems possible that he was mumbling "I don't think..." However, since "That's accurate" was the only thing audible, the transcripts should probably not be changed.
November 10th, 2005 at 12:39 pmLIES! And the FAT lying liars that tell them.
Finding the evil-doers in this administration is like shooting fish in a barrel.
How soon till bush hits 29% approval?
I predict once the heating bills start coming in.
November 10th, 2005 at 1:29 pmMatt,
Indeed. The fact is that the statement that the reporter said was in fact not accurate, so there would be good reason for McClellan to have said, "I don't think that's accurate". However, as you note, the only thing audible is, "That's accurate."
For the record:
November 10th, 2005 at 1:33 pm- McClellan audibly said, "That's accurate."
- The reporter's statement was not accurate.
- The White House should not have changed the transcript to reflect what should have been.
- Valerie Plame was not a "covert agent" as defined in the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, unless evidence of her serving abroad during the period 1998-2003 is unearthed.
It's fun watching the trolls spin spin spin.
They are spinning faster than a wheel on Lance Armstrong's bike!
Don't know why they waste their time shilling for Bush here. They need to take it to the base, because the base is falling out from under dear leader.
Trolls, take your bullshit (Such as "Fitzgerald never said Plame was undercover") and sell it to the Freepers or the poor beggars at townhall.crap. They need bucking up. Their support is wavering.
Here, we never believed it and love the fact that the truth is now getting out there.
God, this is fun.
November 10th, 2005 at 1:37 pm[...] Why am I surprised? Everyone agrees NBC’s David Gregory said this:"Q Whether there’s a question of legality, we know for a fact that there was involvement. We know that Karl Rove, based on what he and his lawyer have said, did have a conversation about somebody who Patrick Fitzgerald said was a covert officer of the Central Intelligence Agency. We know that Scooter Libby also had conversations." Congressional Quarterly and FNS both transcribed Press Secretary Scott McClellan’s answer as "That’s accurate." The White House transcript lists McClellan’s answer as "I don’t think that’s accurate." [...]
November 10th, 2005 at 2:52 pmHere, we never believed it and love the fact that the truth is now getting out there.
God, this is fun.
Comment by Better Dead than Red...
I think that tape was doctored. And even if it were not, who cares? Some guy mis-spoke, it happens all the time. Not unlike the time Ryan "butt boy" Neat said he had a girl friend. He meant to say he was a girlfriend.
November 10th, 2005 at 3:36 pmWhat nonsense. His mouth isn't moving, he isn't saying anything, mumbled or otherwise.
Stop the damn spin. The reporters statement is exactly accurate - he says that FITZGERALD characterized Plame as covert, which, whether you agree with Fitzgerald (and the CIA) or not, that is how Fitzgerald characterized it.
Also, the CIA says that Plame was covert, who the hell are the talking heads and spinners to say otherwise. "She hadn't been undercover overseas in five years."
... that you KNOW OF, right? Isn't the whole point of being covert that you don't know what she's up to?
Plame wanted to publish a piece defending herself, and the CIA wouldn't allow it. Seems to say there's more that hasn't been made public. If she was covert and/or overseas in the past five years, then telling everyone in the world about it would be a further leak of classified information. Fitzgerald stated quite explicitly that a covert agent was outed. He knows better than anyone else, and certainly he doesn't have an agenda to spin it.
November 10th, 2005 at 3:51 pmVarious people in denial,
Go to the Patrick Fitzgerald press conference transcript. Here I will even give the link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/28/AR2005102801340.html
Can you bring out a single quote from here that shows that Fitzgerald said that Plame was a COVERT agent?
I never said anything about "undercover". She was obviously operating under Non-Official Cover. That doesn't automatically qualify her for being a "covert agent" as far as the IIPA is concerned.
I know details are something hard for the "reality-based" community to deal with. So is nuance, I guess.
Better Dead than... red: did you even read what I said? I don't think you did, because you misquoted me. Obviously you cannot for the life of you see the difference between having Non-Official Cover and being defined as a "covert agent" in the IIPA.
From your type of mentality, I might want to call you a rube and say that you might fit very well in the red states you demonize indeed.
November 10th, 2005 at 4:09 pmIt has been so obvious since Bush was first appointed that this administrations sole concern has been to use the Office of the Presidency for their own financial and political prosperity. To have at hand the greatest military force as private security guards, to undermine every environmental advancement for corporations,to wreak havoc on social programs for the children and elderly and further erode social security.
November 10th, 2005 at 7:11 pmThese are but a few of the many. Bush and his cronies do not need to be impeached, they need to be prosecuted for treason and treated accordingly for crimes committed during time of war: firing squad.
"Can you bring out a single quote from here that shows that Fitzgerald said that Plame was a COVERT agent?"Seixon
He said her status was 'classified', and covert is a synomym for covert when it comes to CIA status. You're pulling a 'what's the meaning of 'is'' Clinton moment - very irresponsible of you.
November 10th, 2005 at 7:25 pmSeixon-
You're obviously not an attorney so don't try to interpret the laws. You still haven't addressed why the CIA would request an investigation if they didn't consider Valerie Plame a covert agent. It's how they define her that counts. And you know that old saying about you can't prove a negative. If she was a covert agent, she wouldn't be likely to publicize her trips out of the country. The burden of proof isn't on her (or us) anyway.
Everyone who says Scott was mumbling before he said "that's accurate" needs to watch and listen again. He is constantly moving his lips a little- either nerves or to try to interrupt. But he definitely didn't utter a single syllable before he said "that's accurate."
And Seixon- this is important. How much more important can something be than our government lying to us when the facts are there for everyone to see and hear. If they can convince the public in spite of what we can see and hear, then we really are doomed.
November 10th, 2005 at 7:26 pmI hear Baghdad Bob is looking for a job.
November 10th, 2005 at 7:27 pmRyan,
I'm afraid a judge and lawyers would disagree with you. The term "covert agent" has a special meaning because of the IIPA. Now I guess you don't care for technical terms, so you can go using the non-legal definition of covert as much as you want. Still does not change the fact that Fitzgerald never said she was a covert agent. If he had, you would have quoted the transcript I provided to you. It's OK to admit you are wrong.
Crow,
Good job buddy! Now if only you had some evidence of Bush or Cheney personally profiting from anything they are doing, you'd be on your way! However, I do believe that CBS would have already run with that story if it were true, and I sure haven't heard anything. Oh, and another thing, calling for the murder of your political enemies: that's the kind of thing Hitler and Saddam did. We live in a thing called a democracy - we don't kill our political enemies. Mmmmk?
Diana,
The CIA asked for the investigation because her employment was classified information, and as you know, there are laws against releasing classified information. That goes under a different law than the IIPA, such as the Espionage Act.
You say that they wouldn't publicize her trips out of the country? Oh, but they would publicize that she was, in fact, a covert agent? Yeah, that's a good one.
The burden of proof isn't on her? I can't prove that she is a covert agent, she has to prove that. All she's gotta do is show that she served outside the country in that period. However, there's a small problem there: she was brought home for a certain reason back in 1997. She had kids around 1999. Those kids are still very young, and were even younger when all of this happened. She has worked a desk job at the CPD since she got back from serving overseas.
What I'm saying is that there is simply no evidence available to suggest that she qualifies under the statute in the IIPA. And if you really believe that the CIA sources in the press are always truthful, that's especially funny since many don't trust the CIA when it comes to torture, overseas prisons, the Iraq war intelligence, etc, etc, etc.
And Diana, I think there are a lot more important things in life than the White House wanting to edit their transcript of their press secretary to say something that it should have said.
I think that they should drop it, but clearly it is their opinion that he said something else. They can write whatever transcript they want, but everyone else has the right to tell them that they are wrong, which in this case, they are.
They still have the video up on their website for everyone to see for themselves. Now if they were really interested in fooling anyone, they wouldn't have the video up, now would they?
November 10th, 2005 at 7:38 pmSeixon, you are a chimpyloving nazi pig.
Take your crap somewhere else.
November 10th, 2005 at 7:52 pm"I’m afraid a judge and lawyers would disagree with you. The term “covert agent†has a special meaning because of the IIPA. " Seixon,
Ah, but you're confusing facts - clearly english is a second language to you.
The term 'covert' and the term 'covert agent for the purposes of prosecution under the IIPA' are two different things. You can be a covert agent, without qualifying for the IIPA.
I however have already given you proof of both statuses from former co-workers, neighbors and fitzgerald.
You're just too stupid and incapable of processing the english language - and that's your problem, not ours.
November 10th, 2005 at 7:56 pm"What I’m saying is that there is simply no evidence available to suggest that she qualifies under the statute in the IIPA. "Seixon the Stupid
Not true. She traveled under cover. Her status was classified (meaning covert). And she had travelled for her 'cover company' in the last 5 years.
That is the end of the story. You are debunked. You are a retarded fool.
November 10th, 2005 at 7:57 pmSeixon is probably the same kind of republican 'legal retard' who was pissed at clinton over word parsing. Republicans are always the biggest hypocrites and the most consistent fools around.
November 10th, 2005 at 7:58 pmI have a suggestion for the German word for neocon...
schiesskopf. (sh*thead)
As in...Seixon ist ein scheisskopf.
And by the way, scheisskopf, there is not only one national security law that fat Karl and his boyfriend Scooter can be charged under. You scheisskopf!!
November 10th, 2005 at 7:59 pmQuite an interesting collection of comments here. I agree with Andy (#188) and others who are friends of TP and understand the issue.
However, some people posting seem to be "on the other side of the aisle." Oh, they may pretend to some sort of "fact-based" rationality, but they keep hammering the same refuted point(s).
I could imagine a roomful of freeper types, working for the RNC, logging onto all kinds of progressive blogs such as this. They'd pretend to be reasonable, and then spew their talking point.
Perhaps I give them too much organizational credit. Maybe it's a small Republican group, each from their individual living rooms, doing their best to slow things down and engage in obfuscation.
The attempt to confuse, cite inaccurate or unknown information, insist on a point after succeeding commenters have knocked it down... It's all a pattern of what appears to be "professional trolling."
These "reasonable" dissenters avoid the actual event at issue: a White House official committed what appears to be an act of treason, publicizing a covert CIA agent's identity in a time of war, then lied about their part in it. The public revelation of Plame's identity was the basis for the CIA request to investigate this apparent violation of federal law.
So here we are. This whole affair should be called "Treason-Gate."
Fitzgerald has done a first rate job keeping a lid on any "leaks" from this long investigation. He has much more work to be done. But he's accomplished much already: connecting the dots in a "cover-up" attempt to thwart his efforts to get at the truth.
The truth always wins out... but it takes time, and we have at least three more years to hear all the ugly stuff that's yet to be revealed in regard to this administration.
I'm old enough to know that Nixon was the worst president of the last century. However, the policy mistakes of the current administration and the growing total of US soldiers killed in Iraq now tells me the Nixon-era has been surpassed. By a mile.
November 10th, 2005 at 8:35 pmThe statement from David Gregory should actually be longer. The full text of the question ends with a blunt "You were wrong." directed at S.M. That is what the White House is trying to cover up. S.M. admitted he was wrong.
November 10th, 2005 at 8:48 pmRyan,
I'm sorry, her neighbors knew her status? Hmmm. Wait a minute. Yes, you can call Plame "covert" in the non-legal way, that is fine. However, when a prosecutor is talking about things, he will have to keep to the legal definitions.
This is a complete tangent, because Fitzgerald never said that she was "covert", not legally and not normally.
I don't care if her former co-workers are standing up for her BS story. Show me evidence that she went out of the country on a mission in the time period 1998-2003. Anything else is just hearsay. Just post any evidence of this and I will change my position.
"Seixon is probably the same kind of republican ‘legal retard’ who was pissed at clinton over word parsing. Republicans are always the biggest hypocrites and the most consistent fools around."
Actually, I liked Clinton, I voted for Gore, and I thought Lewinskygate was lame. There you go assuming I am a Republican again. It goes along with your rabidly partisan bickerings: you cannot even imagine that someone who might be much like you has a different take on things than you. That's because I operate under facts and not partisan propaganda. I'm an independent, and if this comments thread is any indication, I think I am going to stay that way for quite some time. Both partisan sides are complete assholes, as you have so ably demonstrated.
"And by the way, scheisskopf, there is not only one national security law that fat Karl and his boyfriend Scooter can be charged under. You scheisskopf!!"
I know that. Have I said otherwise perhaps? I do believe I already mentioned the Espionage Act. All I have said is that there is no evidence to suggest that Plame qualifies under the IIPA, thus they could not be charged under that.
"I could imagine a roomful of freeper types, working for the RNC, logging onto all kinds of progressive blogs such as this. They’d pretend to be reasonable, and then spew their talking point."
Yes, the mere idea of a moderate independent who doesn't drink the Kool-Aid is impossible to think about! Scary even!
"These “reasonable†dissenters avoid the actual event at issue: a White House official committed what appears to be an act of treason, publicizing a covert CIA agent’s identity in a time of war, then lied about their part in it. The public revelation of Plame’s identity was the basis for the CIA request to investigate this apparent violation of federal law."
Treason? Hmm, I don't think you've read up on the laws my friend. The rest of what you have said is correct.
"So here we are. This whole affair should be called “Treason-Gate.â€"
Well, except for not qualifying to be tried for treason, of course. Don't let that get in the way.
"Fitzgerald has done a first rate job keeping a lid on any “leaks†from this long investigation."
Yeah, that's why I read about them in the New York Times and the Washington Post throughout. Yup.
"I’m old enough to know that Nixon was the worst president of the last century. However, the policy mistakes of the current administration and the growing total of US soldiers killed in Iraq now tells me the Nixon-era has been surpassed. By a mile."
Yeah. 58,000 dead in Vietnam, 2,000 in Iraq. Break-in of DNC headquarters, bugging, and covering it up to win an election. Releasing the name of an undercover agent at the CIA whose husband blabbed about classified information to the press.
Yeah, by a MILE! Good job revising history pops.
November 10th, 2005 at 10:33 pmTry looking up TITLE 18(I believe thats right)about the unauthorized release of classified information.Anyone holding a secret or above clearance is required to sign an affidavit that says that they can be executed for disclosure of any classified information in their posession,ANY CLASSIFIED INFORMATION!
November 10th, 2005 at 11:18 pm[...] So the Bush 2 White House wants to back and change the records of the past. I knew it was only a matter of time before the Ministry of Truth appeared. Welcome to the Memory Hole, folks. I’m sure the operatives will be dragging me to Room 101 any minute. [...]
November 11th, 2005 at 1:13 amPeople...people...people....
LISTEN CLOSELY:
DAVID GREGORY (in the Press Conferance) said: "...We know that Karl Rove, based on what he and his lawyer have said, did have a conversation about somebody who Patrick Fitzgerald said was a covert officer of the Central Intelligence Agency.
PATRICK FITZGERALD (in his Press Conferance) said: Let me say two things. Number one, I am not speaking to whether or not Valerie Wilson was covert.
Re-watch the video....
McClellan interrupted Gregory BEFORE he was even done with his question and CORRECTED Gregory as soon as Gregory made the INACCURATE statement about Fitzgerald saying that Plame was Covert
It is a fact: Gregory's statement was INACCURATE.
Fitzgerald NEVER said Plame was Covert....Gregory was WRONG and McClellan corrected him.
November 11th, 2005 at 1:58 amRyan,
Just give me a link buddy. I'm not a Republican, though I can see why it gives you inner peace to say so. You wouldn't have to ponder why someone who is much like you doesn't believe what you believe. I know that is tough.
"All they said was that she travelled internationllay for ‘her company’, which has been confirmed to be a cover company."
OK, but that's not what you said, you are just revising your sloppy writing from a bit ago. Try to be a bit more precise next time. And again, I sure would appreciate a link to substantiate this information.
November 11th, 2005 at 3:20 am[Comment deleted by admin.]
November 11th, 2005 at 3:36 amSextant,
You claim you aren't a REPUGnican, but your statements prove otherwise.
People have been smelling bullshit for 6 years, so we know it when we smell or see it.
You are a wack-0 and we all know it.
You need to quit the kool-aid and seek the truth. We were lied into this war. We were told that Iraq was planning to get nukes, they used chemical weapons (ones we sold them) and they were linked to Al-Queda.......
Dumbya lied to us all, and we swallowed!
Come on, can't you open that little dried raisin of a brain and tell that you are being cultivated like a mushroom?
(kept in the dark and fed SHIT)
If you support this evil corrupt so called administration, your brown shirt fits you as if it were tailored to your body.
BTW, the clue phone is ringing and IT IS FOR YOU!!!!
November 11th, 2005 at 3:42 amOH, AND BY THE WAY SEX-LESS:
We are currently prosecuting Sadam for using those same chemical weapons we sold him on his own people.
AND
This administration that "does not torture, but reserves the right to do so" and has concentration camps!!!!!..... is
IS
USING CHEMICAL WEAPONS ON THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ .....
MK77
So, you still happy you love bush?
November 11th, 2005 at 3:45 amTHAT'S OIL FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
November 11th, 2005 at 3:46 amsEXTANT,
You are a so total dumb ass.....
As someone that knows people that work covertly, you NEVER TELL SOMEONE....
I AM A COVERT AGENT....I WORK AT THE CIA....WINK WINK...DON'T TELL ANYONE!
You are such a twit!
1. She worked at the CIA
2. She had a front job - Brewster Jennings
3. Brewster Jennings - not a real company
4. Showed up for work EVERY DAY AT CIA HQ.
5. Fitz said (and you can deny this all you want) she was a covert or undercover agent. CLUE: read BETWEEN THE LINES!!!!!!!!!!
REPUGnicans only see the things they like!
November 11th, 2005 at 3:53 amLast year, one of Bush's professors from his old Harvard B-school days wrote of what he remembered of Bush. He mentioned that he still recalled his exceptional students from those days, either the gifted ones or the atrocious ones. He recalled Bush as being in the latter category.
He also said he remembered a particularly odious habit Bush repeatedly exhibited in his class. During a class discussion Bush would at times deny something he had just said in the same class, even only ten minutes before he denied having said it. He and the other students in that class found this habit extremely annoying.
It appears Bush has promulgated some of his own worst personal habits throughout his administration. This one is reminiscent of Stalin's perverse habit of having any photos which included his new "enemies" altered to remove them and the original (unaltered) copies rounded up and destroyed -- after having executed those enemies, of course. Some peasants in West Russia were even executed for hiding some of the old unaltered copies. It appears that Bush is no different in spirit from old Joe.
November 11th, 2005 at 4:50 am*** STAY ON TOPIC ***
You miss the point: David Gregory’s statement was INACCURATE.
Let’s look at the question posed by NBC’s White House Correspondent David Gregory to which McClellan responded to:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea…051031-3.html#
GREGORY: Whether there’s a question of legality, we know for a fact that there was involvement. We know that Karl Rove, based on what he and his lawyer have said, did have a conversation about somebody who Patrick Fitzgerald said was a covert officer of the Central Intelligence Agency. (at this point, McClellan speaks over Gregory and says, “I don’t think that’s accurate) We know that Scooter Libby also had conversations.
Now….Gregory says that Fitzgerald said the person was a COVERT officer of the CIA.
Well, let’s look at what Patrick Fitzgerald himself said in his Press Conferance:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn…102801340.html
FITZGERALD: Let me say two things. Number one, I am not speaking to whether or not Valerie Wilson was COVERT.
So David Gregory says that Fitzgerald said that Valerie Plame was covert…and Fitzgerald says he IS NOT SPEAKING to whether or not she was covert.
So was Gregory accurate or NOT accurate??
It’s apparent that the correct response to Gregory’s question is:
“I don’t think that’s accurateâ€
Gregory was INCORRECT and for anyone to agree that he was ACCURATE would ALSO BE INCORRECT.
McClellan CORRECTED him.
November 11th, 2005 at 10:27 amThose we torture and imprision will burn in hell after we kill them!
Long live Bush! He and Hitler were the true leaders!
If you ain’t white, you ain’t right!!!!!
Comment by i-right-i — November 11, 2005 @ 3:36 am
Just a note...only a drunken stalker stays up to the near break of dawn to manufacture false posts. It's just another facet of the Filthy Left.....who can't spell.
November 11th, 2005 at 11:40 amThat’s really funny MizzReichwing coming from a pedophile who’s issued death threats - accusing someone else of stalking. Bahahaha, think I lost an ab on that on…
Comment by Ryan Neat
I thought it was you at first but then figured even at 3AM you'd still be out closing down the gay bars.
November 11th, 2005 at 2:14 pmNortheast Dilemma and aphrodite,
It never ceases to amaze me how potentially fun it must be to purposely misspell someone's alias. I mean, how many times has someone spelled my alias wrong on this thread? Why do you guys do that? Are you THAT bored? Anyways...
"You claim you aren’t a REPUGnican, but your statements prove otherwise."
Which statement proves I am Republican? There is none, you just have a hard time dealing with the fact that someone who is probably very much like-minded as you hasn't gulped up all the propaganda they were fed.
"We were lied into this war. We were told that Iraq was planning to get nukes, they used chemical weapons (ones we sold them) and they were linked to Al-Queda…….
Dumbya lied to us all, and we swallowed!"
Oh, so that retard Bush managed to fool you? Wow, who's stupid now? LOL. Were we lied to? Go and look at what Bill Clinton was saying when he was prez. Al Gore. Hillary. Kerry. Schumer. Almost every single damn Democrat senator and Clinton administration official said it. Madeline Albright. Sandy Berger. Even Joseph Wilson believed we would find WMDs. Did all of these people lie?
Or are you going to stick to the lame story about Bush somehow fooling all of these people? If they were all fooled, doesn't that mean they are a bunch of retards? How can someone get fooled by Bush? Isn't his IQ like 80-something? ;) ;)
"We are currently prosecuting Sadam for using those same chemical weapons we sold him on his own people."
OK, that sentence doesn't make sense since you are apparently illiterate... but I'll give a stab at it. We did not sell Saddam Hussein any chemical weapons. We gave him some loan guarantees. American companies started to build an ethylene plant for Saddam Hussein but it was never finished due to the invasion of Kuwait. We sold him some helicopters. We have never sold Saddam Hussein any chemical weapons. If you believe that, you are a sucker. If you really think we did, please get a cite of your information and email it to me (we don't need to clutter up this thread with any more tangents). I will have a reasonable, civil, and calm debate with any of you on whether or not we sold Saddam Hussein chemical weapons if you so wish. The truth is that we didn't, and any claim to the contrary is propaganda furthered to absolve Saddam Hussein of any blame for what he did, furthered by anti-war zealots like George Galloway.
"This administration that “does not torture, but reserves the right to do so†and has concentration camps!!!!!….. is"
Concentration camps? Please. Jails? Yes. Prisons? Yes. Concentration camps? No. Please consult a dictionary and get back to reality.
"USING CHEMICAL WEAPONS ON THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ …..
MK77
So, you still happy you love bush?"
MK77 is not a chemical weapon anymore than any other bomb used by the US military. Chemical weapons are weapons which inflict their damage due to chemical properties. MK77 is an incendiary weapon because it inflicts damage due to heat/explosion. Again, consult a dictionary and get educated. You might as well call a car a "chemical weapon" because it has chemicals in it and can kill you.
And no, I don't love Bush. Nice try to project though, since you hate him.
"As someone that knows people that work covertly, you NEVER TELL SOMEONE…."
Uh yeah, but now the cat is out of the bag honey. LOL.
"Fitz said (and you can deny this all you want) she was a covert or undercover agent. CLUE: read BETWEEN THE LINES!!!!!!!!!!"
LOL. Read between the lines? Yeah, I see that's the standard method of "scientific" method used by people such as yourselves. If something doesn't say what you want, claim it does anyways!
I don't care if Fitzy was hinting that Valerie was a covert agent, which she was in the non-legal definition of the term.
Fitzgerald never said that she was. Period.
David Gregory claimed Fitzgerald said she was, and if you look at the transcript, he never says any such thing.
PS. It has become obviously apparent to me that I am debating juveniles for the most part. I think most of you people should take some more schooling and learn more at school and stop hanging around political forums until you actually have skills such as: logic, critical thinking skills, familiarity with the scientific method, etc.
November 12th, 2005 at 3:06 pmhttp://www.amconmag.com/2005/2005_10_24/cover.html
The 15-month proconsulship of the CPA disbursed nearly $20 billion, two-thirds of it in cash, most of which came from the Development Fund for Iraq that had replaced the UN Oil for Food Program and from frozen and seized Iraqi assets. Most of the money was flown into Iraq on C-130s in huge plastic shrink-wrapped pallets holding 40 “cashpaks,†each cashpak having $1.6 million in $100 bills. Twelve billion dollars moved that way between May 2003 and June 2004, drawn from accounts administered by the New York Federal Reserve Bank. The $100 bills weighed an estimated 363 tons.
Once in Iraq, there was virtually no accountability over how the money was spent. There was also considerable money “off the books,†including as much as $4 billion from illegal oil exports. The CPA and the Iraqi State Oil Marketing Board, which it controlled, made a deliberate decision not to record or “meter†oil exports, an invitation to wholesale fraud and black marketeering.
Thus the country was awash in unaccountable money. British sources report that the CPA contracts that were not handed out to cronies were sold to the highest bidder, with bribes as high as $300,000 being demanded for particularly lucrative reconstruction contracts.
An Aside~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Say Didnt Barbara Bush once threaten to kill anyone whom criticized her flock of Dyslexics?
November 14th, 2005 at 11:34 amCan... open... worms... everywhere!
The issue before us is whether the Bush Whitehouse should be held to a higher ethical standard than it has managed so far. Clearly, whoever edited the transcript of this press conference missed the mandatory reeducation meetings dictated by President Bush.
Who is responsible for this Bu__ Sh__, and why is no one in the press calling for their head on pike?!
November 14th, 2005 at 4:49 pmSeixon is sophisticated. He redirected the argument from the inaccuracy proffered by the Whitehouse. Those who take the bait aid his effort to fragment the scrutiny that the Whitehouse demands.
Yes, Ms. Wilson WAS covert, and the law protecting her identity has limits. Is this material? Only in the context of McClellan's comment which serves to show how off-the-mark he was.
Mr. McClellan acknowledged the truth about Rove and Libby's history, which he had previously repudiated citing personal assurance from both men that they had not engaged in any such conversations. Scotty could have pounced on the grammatical errors in the reporter's question as an opportunity to avoid the issue using standard PR tactics. Instead his words had to be changed to protect the continuity of previous lies.
November 14th, 2005 at 5:10 pm[...] Notice the bolded sentence spoken by Scott McClellan. Now watch the video recording provided by Think Progress. [...]
November 15th, 2005 at 11:33 pmAfter all the lies,.. all the deaths,.. all the murdering of innocents,.. all the attacks,... anyone who still supports these scum in the White House are truly traitors and Nazis.
Rightie Slayer
November 19th, 2005 at 2:13 ami was just wondering if u folks were this upset about sandy berger stuffing his shorts on behal of president clinton with top secret documents during the 9/11 hearings.
January 24th, 2006 at 10:23 pmi only ask because i'm curious as to whether u really care about the garbage you feel might be ruining this country or just live to bash republicans to fill the empty voids u created in ur lives.
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November 14th, 2006 at 12:17 am