Veterans Day Outrage: Conservatives End 55-Year-Old Practice of Hearings for Vet Groups
Veterans Day Outrage: Conservatives End 55-Year-Old Practice of Hearings for Vet Groups
On Tuesday — three days before Veterans Day — House Veterans’ Affairs Committee Chairman Steve Buyer (R-IN) announced that for the first time in at least 55 years, “veterans service organizations will no longer have the opportunity to present testimony before a joint hearing of the House and Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committees.”
Remember that Buyer was handpicked by criminally-indicted Rep. Tom DeLay (R-TX) to replace former veterans committee chairman Rep. Chris Smith (R-NJ), who had been extremely vocal about the consistent underfunding of veterans causes.
The Disabled American Veterans, the “official voice of America’s service-connected disabled veterans,” just issued a scathing release calling the move “an insult to all who have fought, sacrificed and died to defend the Constitution.” The timing, they said, “could not have been worse.”
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Support the troops! No wait.. that’s not it…
November 10th, 2005 at 1:51 pmOh yeah, SCREW the troops, that’s the ticket.
November 10th, 2005 at 1:52 pmAnd Americans who call themselves Republicans continue to think that their party supports the troops.
It’s like… just as Republicans support the fetus, but no rights after birth…. they support the troops while in combat, but as soon as they are extracted from the combat - screw them all, they are on their own!
November 10th, 2005 at 1:55 pmIs anyone here even moderately surprised? This administration and the Republicans have shown their “support our troops” mantra is nothing more than empty words to be used on a bumper sticker. They don’t support our troops. If they did, they wouldn’t have sent them to fight an unjust war in Iraq. If Bush and Co. supported our troops, they wouldn’t be cutting their benefits, charging them for the medical attention they received, sending them into battle without the proper gear, etc. etc. etc. The veterans of WWII, family members of mine among them, know that Bush is full of s**t, and they hate him for what he’s done to our military. THAT is why the Repubs don’t want hearings for vet groups. They don’t care to hear from people who actually know what it was like to fight a just war. They don’t want to be told by these vets how their actions are ruining our country. Bush and Co. do not want to hear the truth. They simply do not care about America or our troops. They don’t.
November 10th, 2005 at 1:56 pmThe mutiny is at hand ….
November 10th, 2005 at 1:57 pmWhere are those goddamn trolls. Let’s here them say the Republicans support our troops now. As a veteran myself, this is completely outrageous. THIS is a slap in the face to those that have served our country, have been wounded for our country and have die for our country.
I also think that this will cost them heavily when the ‘06 elections roll around. A lot of older people vote Republican. Well, guess what a lot of older people are veterans. If you don’t think they will make the Republicans pay, you are mistaken. If you don’t think these same people have lots of friends that will be mad about what is happening to their friends that served, you are sadly mistaken.
More nails in the Republican coffin.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:00 pmIt’s amazing how they accuse us on the left of not supporting the troops just because we want them to have better conditions in Iraq and we also want to pull them out. What freaking hypocrites they are. They are the ones who are anti-american! They only support the toops when they fight for republican agendas, but nothing else!
November 10th, 2005 at 2:00 pmsupport the troops…uh…WHAT?
this is incredible. well, not really. boy, another day, another hypocracy…
November 10th, 2005 at 2:02 pmNED, IRI, etc… come on! Do you support this? Do you support the cuts to veteran benefits in the spending bill in the House of Represenatives?
November 10th, 2005 at 2:03 pmHappy birthday, Marine Corps!
November 10th, 2005 at 2:06 pmThe trolls will not touch this one. We are troll free for this thread. They scare easy.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:06 pmI-R-I, NED, MA - You’re sycophancy is required on this thread. Please jump to it and explain why this is a good thing.
Really, is anyone surprised? They still haven’t got the up-armor or personal armor to the troops, they reneging on thier bonuus commitments, they screwing the vets who have medical issues. We have a $400BB/year defense budget, but these bastards could give a shit about the people who are doing the fighting/dying/convalescing.
No, the Republican chickenhawk-criminals wear their flag lapel pins and pretend to care about this country, but really, it’s all about transferring the public wealth to their friends.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:07 pm#6
You tell your fellow posters to ignore any comment that doesn’t fall in goose step with the flem your party is spewing every minute and now you want us to post here. I personally am bored with all of it. The democratic party has become totally unhinged with no direction or hope. Just bored, bored bored. Ho hum.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:13 pmThe GOP never ceases to amaze me…heartless bastards…maybe now the Veterans organiztions will figure out the only people that give a rat’s azz about them are DEMS…..
November 10th, 2005 at 2:14 pm#13
Defend this Randy. Stop trying to change the subject and defend your fellow republicans that have once again screwed the people who are fighting the illegal war for you fvckers.
A$$hole!
November 10th, 2005 at 2:15 pm2055 dead, and counting; tens of thousands injured, and counting. Nothing but contempt.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:15 pmDraft Young Republicans! Support Operation Yellow Elephant!
November 10th, 2005 at 2:15 pm#13 - Randy, go tell the families of the veterans you are bored.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:17 pmHey Randy…at least DEM Blogs HAVE a comment section to welcome all points of view……
and to declare this issue of Congress not metting with our Veterans as “flem” shows how lockstep you are with your side…..
November 10th, 2005 at 2:17 pmI wonder what the VFW will have to say about this.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:18 pmIn George Bush’s America, we are all The Help.
In George Bush’s head, it’s always Kennebunk, and it’s always late August.
The Help may be pissed now, but when the time comes to open up The Summer House come Memorial Day, the old Help will have forgotten, and there’ll be people desperate to be the new Help.
And nothing livens up an early autumn like making The Help fight chase you for the paycheck for the last two weeks. If you’re lucky, some of them will say ‘Screw it’ and go back to college or wherever. Then you can keep the money.
Some of The Help is uniformed - they used to call it ‘livery’ - and some of it is not.
But even they are still The Help.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:19 pmAnd the GOP says they support the troops while we
November 10th, 2005 at 2:21 pmdon’t.
Every day brings news of another broadside assault against a group representing the interests of average Americans. The GOP boldness is astonishing. They do these things in front of the nation and don’t even blink. They have no conscience. No morality.
Shame on them. No. Shaming them is not enough. Let’s send the lot of them to one of those “black” prisons they are so fond of.
And they supported Bush in 2000 and 2004–political paybacks can be hell when you’re asking for money instead of giving it.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:22 pm#13: So then you support snubbing the veterans who have served our country. Nice move! A true blue Republican who hates America. You’re a credit to your party.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:22 pmJust finished my funky cardboard sign to hold in front of the capitol building in Denver “Diabled Vet — Will Work for Peace” (retired with disabily 1971)
November 10th, 2005 at 2:23 pmAnd they’ll support whatever repug runs in ‘08. They asked for it.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:23 pmWell Randy, how does it feel to slap a Veteran in the face? Are you happy with yourself?
November 10th, 2005 at 2:25 pmand no my disability is not being unable to spell disability or disabled…
November 10th, 2005 at 2:26 pmI’d rather be boring than evil…wait wasn’t that the question the nation faced in 2000 (and decided that “bordem” was better than evil…before evil lived up to its name and stole the election)…but, back on subject:
Math Class is in:
Needless War
+ Unsupported Toops
——————-
More Veterans
- Benfits
——————-
Treason
(forget national security issues these actions our undermining the entire population of this country and any unity it once felt, who will fight for a country that won’t fight for them..what is a country that won’t stand up for it’s army?)
November 10th, 2005 at 2:26 pmI think I just heard the death knell for the federal GOP majority.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:27 pmDon’t ask don’t tell seems to be the new policy for veterans affairs and VA failures.
Republicans really seem to believe that if you don’t talk about it, it doesn’t exist. They’re such pathological dysfunctional fools.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:27 pmI say BRING IT ON and KEEP IT UP NEO-CONS - you just pissed off a HUGE percentage of Republican voters who won’t forget what you did today. Hope you didn’t cook the math (like you did the intellegence) and count on them to die before Nov 06′ and 08′.
CONS NOW VOTE FOR REMOVING THEIR PARTY FROM POWER - LOVE IT, KEEP UP THE GOOD JOB.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:28 pmIt’s time for another round of …
WHERE
November 10th, 2005 at 2:30 pmARE
THE
DEMOCRATS!!???
What is going on in the VA is criminal and the worst is yet to come.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:39 pmThe vets need to stand up and raise holy hell.
They deserve what has been promised to them and more.
The sad part is that nothing this administraion does surprises me any more.
They are the most corrupt government in history and i hope the American people wake up before it is too late.
#6
You tell your fellow posters to ignore any comment that doesn’t fall in goose step with the flem your party is spewing every minute and now you want us to post here. I personally am bored with all of it. The democratic party has become totally unhinged with no direction or hope. Just bored, bored bored. Ho hum.
Comment by Randy — November 10, 2005 @ 2:13 pm
Okay Randy, lets focus on the actual topic at hand. Setting aside the normal fighting that goes on here, I want to hear your honest opinions on this subject. Do you agree with slashing veterans benefits in the current spending bill? How about ending these hearing for vet groups? Lets hear it, I really want to know what you think.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:40 pmRaw Story:
“Ralston told the grand jury that Cooper’s call to Rove was transferred to Rove’s office by the White House switchboard. She testified that the call was not logged by Rove’s office because Cooper had not called Rove’s office directly.
Sources say that Fitzgerald has obtained documentary evidence proving that scenario does not jibe with other unrelated calls to Rove’s office that were also transferred to his office by the switchboard but were logged.”
November 10th, 2005 at 2:41 pmoh leave Randy alone, he’s done plenty for the troops - he’s got a Support Our Troops ribbon on his SUV!
Good god, what more can one expect from just one man?
November 10th, 2005 at 2:42 pm[…] Bastards. [permalink] […]
November 10th, 2005 at 2:42 pmRandy,
If you’re so bored, why do you keep coming back to a PROGRESSIVE site? You’re a bad liar, but clearly a practiced fool.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:43 pmAh yes, reality hits the wall. Vets, you’re not improtant either, just road litter like the rest of us bums. Hail to the Chief.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:44 pm#28 - Would never hold your blog-spelling against you! But glad I can laugh with you, and have good one out in Denver.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:44 pmrandy, why do you hate america?
November 10th, 2005 at 2:44 pmThat’s the way right wing cons run their co.’s; workers, soldiers, a dime a dozen, easily replaceable.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:44 pmI suppose they will be doubling their efforts to offer US citizenship in order to recruit “scab” soldiers from the third world or just privatize the military.
Potential US citizen recruits are catching on to the fact that the American govt. won’t take care of their own.
They probably view the disabled Vets as a union of sorts.
This says it all….
….It’s like… just as Republicans support the fetus, but no rights after birth…. they support the troops while in combat, but as soon as they are extracted from the combat - Comment by Magnum DB — November 10, 2005 @ 1:55 pm
November 10th, 2005 at 2:45 pm“Under a rule change adopted in 1995, Hastert can remove any committee chairman he deems incompetent or disloyal–now code words for bucking conservative conformity. During his four-year tenure, Smith authored twenty-two bills benefiting veterans: increasing veteran education funding through the GI bill by 46 percent, allocating $1 billion for homeless vets and $1.4 billion for expanded healthcare programs, and providing an extra $100 million in benefits for surviving spouses.”
It looks like he did a pretty good job but he didn’t pass all that funding by himself and I guarantee you those bills were not supported by the majority of Democrats.
If the man was removed then there were no doubt political motivations but to have you Left Wingers crying foul over it goes beyond the pale of hypocrisy, you who love to count American body bags and give American civil rights to their killers. You people are low down and digging.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:47 pmRepublicans always talk about being ‘pro military’ until it requires spending money to care for the safety, health, training or well being of soldiers. In otherwords they lie about this point, the same as they lie about every other point.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:48 pmI say we print out the press release from the Vets and hand them out during Veteran’s Day Parades or Events.
Let the public know what evil thugs members of this Administration truly are.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:49 pmAlas, I am no longer permitted to post as “Auto-Troll Out-of-Office Response,” but I think what we’re missing here is a voice of right-wing reason that might use words to this effect:
“To hell with the veterans. All they do is whine about their missing limbs, absent faces and hideous (but survivable!) head-wounds, their gosh-darn ‘mystery’ illnesses, their exposure to highly-radioactive DU munitions, their low pay, their crappy armor, having to pay their own freight at Veterans Hospitals that make them wait forever for treatment, and how the Pentagon lured them into re-upping with a $15,000 signing bonus which was later rescinded.
“America’s vets do nothing but undermine the War on Terror and give aid and comfort to our Islamofascist enemies. I’m glad — GLAD, I tell you — that the Committee is finally standing up and denying these shameless Fifth Columnists an opportunity to attack the very nation that gave them bullets, MREs and a modest burial discount.”
There. I think that covers it.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:50 pm#45
I-RIGHT-I
You are a fvcking joke. This story just like all the rest of these stories on the same subject ALL show the hypocrisy of the republicans. It is you who do not support our troops or the veterans.
You are in league with scum bags, in turn making you one.
You need to repent, you are going to hell.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:53 pmSitting at the polls yesterday checking off lists of who voted I heard several conversations between Republican Mom’s and Dad’s dissing the actions of this government. In particular one Mom who received several approving nods and comments when she stated that she had instructed her recently turned 18 son not to sign anything without her present due to fear of recruiters. I double checked my list for the several people joining and they were all Republican save one.
The rank and file Republican is catching on to their criminal leadership and tuesdays results across the state and the nation show that it costing Republicans at all levels of government.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:56 pmI agree. Anyone who purposely supports the Republican party will in doubt face eternity in hell, there’s no question. They are just plain evil.
November 10th, 2005 at 2:56 pm#45, IRI, so you’re saying the consensus among Congressional Republicans is, if you look after veterans half as well as lobbyists look after us, you’re fired?
November 10th, 2005 at 2:57 pmCut the crap, I-RIGHT-I. YOU can guaranty bills were not supported by Democrats? That’s just BS, and you know it. The only thing YOU can guaranty is that, no matter what happens, YOU will support any big bag of BS this administration shovels your way. We’re talking about NOW, now 1995. And NOW, the Republicans have shown, yet again, they have zero interest in our troops or our veterans. How can you in good faith support this snub to our veterans?
November 10th, 2005 at 2:58 pmMizzIWrongY,
Us ‘libs’ never wanted to go to war, so the body bags are solely your wish. I’m a pascifist personally, so the thought of dying american soldiers or dying iraqis I find abhorent. You however have continually expressed glee at torture, murder and warfare - something that clearly establishes you as unamerican, and uncivilized.
In otherwords, you’re a hypocrite, a liar, a fool, a traitor and a terrorist!
November 10th, 2005 at 3:00 pm…and a Republican. Sorry, that was redundant.
November 10th, 2005 at 3:07 pmAnd this is the 230th anniversary of the Marine Corps. Happy frickin’ b-day from the Congressional Rethuglicans…(and to all my military relatives who supported this admin and the Swift Boaters lies, I TOLD YOU SO!!! ~~ whew, I’ve been wanting to say that for a long time now.)
November 10th, 2005 at 3:09 pm[…] Via Think Progress: On Tuesday — three days before Veterans Day — House Veterans’ Affairs Committee Chairman Steve Buyer (R-IN) announced that for the first time in at least 55 years, “veterans service organizations will no longer have the opportunity to present testimony before a joint hearing of the House and Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committees.†[…]
November 10th, 2005 at 3:15 pm#45 IRI - On the contrary I guarentee you that most Democrats strongly support increasing benefits for veterans and in fact champion such things. It is the Republicans that do not support our troops, veterans, and their families in this way.
Republican officials behavior in regard to our military families is despicable.
November 10th, 2005 at 3:17 pmThe vast majority of the republican supporters will never even hear about this travesty.
November 10th, 2005 at 3:18 pmAny reaction from the “Swift Boat” guys?
November 10th, 2005 at 3:23 pmThe Republicans are more fascinated with laws that promote torture or keeping people locked up with no rights to a fair hearing than they are about helping Veterans. Remember, to a rich Republican, Veterans and veterans who NEED benefits are just the poor.
November 10th, 2005 at 3:24 pmThat’s why the Repubs cut student loans. As we used to say in the Sixties, what if they gave a war and nobody came? The only way the chickenhawks can make sure there will always be enough bodies to form an army is to make college unaffordable for the middle-class and the poor so that they’re forced to join the military for the GI education benefits.
November 10th, 2005 at 3:26 pmOff Topic, yet Not. This is How they Slip stuff by the People.
Example Below, Yet Current;
This administration seeks for Congress to grant it the power to use America’s military to enforce domestic order and impose martial law.
President Bush stated, “I think the president ought to have all options on the table, all assets on the table to be able to deal with something this significant.” That ought to bother us deeply; so deeply that we take decisive action and let our elected officials know that this proposed action is a step too far.
On June 18, 1878, during the Reconstruction, recognizing the inherent danger to liberty posed by using soldiers for civilian law enforcement, Congress passed the Posse Comitatus Act (PCA). Title 18 US Code, Part I, Chapter 67, § 1385, reads:
Bait Bait Switch;
Bush said;
I
PRESIDENT
ALL
ALL
US
WE
Now he was Speaking about Bird Flu, Yet the Real Goal is to Alter the Posse Commitatus Act.
The OTHER goal P.A. ACT..
November 10th, 2005 at 3:26 pmAnd the Speech Writer also ‘Framed” the Reader without his Knowing to Side with something he may not agree with if it were standing on its Own.
#59- I plan on printing this info up and distrubing it to all my local Veterans groups. Every Republican I know will soon know about it. Get the word out. THIS is definetly the death knell. Republicans are utterly clueless. I cant imagine them abandoning such a large part of their base like this- and yet BAM! there they go. Supporting those who would do this Anytime is bad, but in a time of war? Idiocy!
November 10th, 2005 at 3:28 pmLooks like our military and Veteran’s Affairs is now being run by Wal-Mart. God Bless the USA :(
November 10th, 2005 at 3:29 pmAs a veteran, I find this so disgusting, SO un-American, and SO un-democratic that all I have left to say at this point is a string of expletives (insert several pages worth here). #%@^$^%$….
November 10th, 2005 at 3:39 pmGeez People! Limbaugh is the voice of the American Veteran today. Anything Veterans might want Congress to hear should just go ahead let Rush know and he can pass it along to Dick.
November 10th, 2005 at 3:41 pmmust….stifle….dissent…….
November 10th, 2005 at 3:47 pmThen why is it that veterans and people in the military continue to vote for these lying, back-stabbing, glad-handing, false-faced sacks of excrement?
As one vet to another bunch of vets..I can’t understand it!
November 10th, 2005 at 3:48 pmRemember the vet who wore “bullshit” protectors over his ears at one of Bush’s speeches last year?
Bet more vets wish they wore those now.
November 10th, 2005 at 3:55 pm#69: Because they remember WWII and a time when our government was by the people and for the people, and how during a war-time we all needed to support our country and our president. They believed, wrongly, in 2004 that this was the same thing. It was war-time; we needed to support our president; our president supports and defends us. They’ve been shown now, however, how today is quite, quite different than yesterday. That our president is none of those things. They’ve all been officially slapped in the face now, and they are not going to forget it.
November 10th, 2005 at 3:56 pmI would like to open eveyones’ eyes up to what is really going on and this thread is a perfect example. Left, Right and Center do not exist! What does exist is the manipulation of all three perceived realities. As long as The Powers That Be get their way by dividing the country with “left-center-right paradigms’, it will be business as usual. The US government, no matter who is in power, is corrupt to it’s very core. That statement isn’t unpatriotic, on the contrary, very patriotic. The word patriot comes from the diligence and awareness of a citizenry that once existed in the US, days long forgotten. Patriots of past made sure their government never exceded what it was meant for and if it did they were there to stop it, by force is necessary. Today we are witnessing the effects of a physicological warfare that has been greased by both sides of the aisle and as this thread demonstrates, works with absolute precision. As long as citizens keep on ‘choosing sides’ we are doomed as a nation because it takes everyones attention off the main problem, the US government in it’s totality is saturated with corruption. A simple HONEST look into this governments past 50-60 years of existence, answers all. You ever ask yourself, why every year we are stuck with who the Reps or Dems ‘CHOOSE’ to be our next candidate? And why they’re always some elite figure representing a long list of lobbyists? With 280 million Americans in this country, every 4 years this is what we are stuck with. Every four years there is a whole list of people running that NEVER make it MSM in all it’s forms, why? Because two parties are far easier to control, a third, fourth, or even fifth party would only loosen the gears of a controlled government. Bush Sr. stated in an interview with Cokie Roberts that he STRONGLY agreed with just a 2-party system, and I wonder why? Unbeknownst to many of you , I’m sure, is that Clinton and Bush Sr. have been business partners for quite along time, all the way back when Clinton was govenor of Arkansas. If you would like to know more about that relationship, I suggest reading ‘Compromised’ by Terry Reed an ex-CIA agent. You’ll also learn in that book how the Bush and Clinton families have benn importing drugs into this country for decades. Webster Tarpley wrote ‘The Unauthorized Biography of George Bush’ located here: http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm Praised as one of the most meticulously researched biographies in existence also expands on that relationship plus a whole lot more information that should sicken you to teh very depth of your soul. For the sake of yourself, family, friends and this country please take your current beliefs, set them beside you and do some honest research without any partisan views and see where the evidence leads, it will shock you!
Good luck and peace to all!
November 10th, 2005 at 3:59 pmThe fact is that neo-conservatives aren’t concerned about the individual. They are concerned about the entity, be it military forces, corporations, etc. By empowering the entity is how they get their strength, becasue then the entity will support them. But once they are asked to support the individual, they fallback on they ideology that says that the individual does not constitute enough contribution to be concerned about.
November 10th, 2005 at 3:59 pmBut will this make the national news? Who besides those who get their news from the internet will ever hear about this? If it’s going to be an issue in the 2006 elections, the word has got to go out now. Don’t expect the corporate controlled news agencies to make a big deal out of this. It will die like so many other news stories, which is why these people get away with things in other administrations would have landed them out of office if not in jail.
November 10th, 2005 at 4:00 pmHaving been screwed by a texan back in 66-67 and now watching a texan screw these folks i’m sick - sick because we knew it was coming and we knew he’d do it…some day some how we’ve got to wake up and run all the bastards out and start over…sign me sick….
November 10th, 2005 at 4:00 pmAs a Korean war veteran (& it was a war, not a police action), I am outraged by the decision of Steve Buyer, Chairman of the House Veterans Affairs Committee, not to allow representatives of veterans’ organizations to testify before the committee. But spouting off in this forum is not enough. I urge everyone to fax, phone, email or mail a message to Buyer protesting his decision. You can find his address, phone no., &c. by googling his name. Bombard him with protest messages! That’s the way to influence him.
November 10th, 2005 at 4:01 pmLa Mouche,
You should be spouting off the ’swiftboat vets’ and the other unpatriotic sellouts who helped smear the candidate that actually would have protected their interests! Republican veterans are traitors to their own, just like republicans as a whole are traitors to our country!
November 10th, 2005 at 4:04 pmThis a slap in the face to our brave soldiers and a national disgrace.
I wonder if they are afraid that the story about DEPLETED URANIUM will get out, the lack of funding for our vets who are suffering the effects of this WMD?
http://www.ericblumrich.com/pl_lo.html
November 10th, 2005 at 4:04 pmHaving been screwed by a texan in ‘66-’67 i watch as this texan screws these folks and i fight hard not to say “i told you - i told you” but seriously the people on capitol hill (either frigging party) don’t give a damn about a used vet..cause ur just that “used” and being used you have no value to them…why put money in something you don’t need or want???? sh*tcan all of them and start over today now and if you don’t vote go fugg urself and as for Randy-may god have pity on you son cause you sure do need it!!! Aloha!!!
November 10th, 2005 at 4:13 pm[…] Think Progress - Veterans Day Outrage: Conservatives End 55-Year-Old Practice of Hearings for Vet Groups […]
November 10th, 2005 at 4:16 pmI’m not sure anymore, how many republicans are all that upset by torture. (by that I mean the republican electorate.)
I do however, know how the issue if playing with the invisable, non-party voters. Not well!
November 10th, 2005 at 4:16 pmIRI,
Thanks for being so consistent in your posts. Not only that, you completely dodged the question. Instead of answering the question (Do you support the slashing of veteran benefits?), you just spew more baseless claims. Why don’t you answer the question or do you really not give a damn about our soldiers? Stupid question, all I have to do is read your posts and you have proven that you are NOT an American or a Patriot, but a lonely, loath-filled, bigot that hates our troops as much as you hate yourself.
November 10th, 2005 at 4:18 pmThis sounds like something Congressional Democrats should respond to. That is the best way to get this story some attention.
November 10th, 2005 at 4:31 pmRandy,
We have some Law and Order items that will surely keep you on the edge of your sit. I’m sure you won’t be bored long.
BTW If we win in 06 we will be having many trails of all these GOP thugs responsible for corruption of our government and treason against the country and troops. ‘
You see we mean Law and Order for every one. While the GOP means Law and Order used against its enemies, every one who is not GOP leaders.
We be coming and not by stealth but in the open and by daylight. See you soon.
November 10th, 2005 at 4:34 pmI was watching C-Span last night and there were a few Democrats in the House that were attacking the cuts to veteran benefits (Tim Ryan was one of them, and I forgot the names of the 3 others) among other things. They also were entering into the record letters recieved from some Veteran groups asking to please not cut benefits. So they are trying to get this out there.
November 10th, 2005 at 4:35 pmI support the Disabled Vets financialy and in their pursuit of Vet needs and goals. Now the Republicans have given me even more reasons to disagree with their ideas of what a democracy should be.
I cannot support the Republican idea of the new USA.
November 10th, 2005 at 4:40 pmThis is yet another example of the outrageous hypocrisy of the current administration. The Bush White House had to lie in order to send people to kill and die in a nation that posed no threat, while it now busies itself designing cuts to the health and pay benefits of those who fight its illegal and immoral war.
The hearings have been cancelled for the simple reason that the Bush administration does not care for the troops –no matter how many times they state the opposite. They do not want to see the troops, or hear them. They do not want to be bothered with the facts, as they get in the way of the criminal policies implemented by the White House.
The flow of disabled veterans coming back from Iraq, who will need life-long health care, could have been avoided if only this administration had decided NOT to invade that nation. While this happens in the U.S. –such an affluent society, imagine the conditions of life for all the Iraqi civilians who have been maimed by American bullets and bombs (and phosphorous also, apparently).
I hope at some point people will open their eyes and realise this administration does not care for the American people, let alone Iraqis. If the Bush White House has the gall to do this their own, what can Iraqis expect?
November 10th, 2005 at 4:40 pmI am a member of the VFW, DAV and American Legion. I can join with the DAV and VFW in excoriating the Veteran’s Affair Committee but the Legion’s Washington leadership lays down with these people. At their last convention, out going Commander of the Legion, Cadmus spoke to the Legion “stopping war protest whever it can.” T. Roosevelt said protest was the highest form of patriotism. I challenged him to stop me.
November 10th, 2005 at 4:43 pmFACT IS, THE ARMED SERVICES ARE THE ARMED WING OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
November 10th, 2005 at 4:45 pmFACT IS, THE ARMED SERVICES ARE THE ARMED WING OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
FACT IS, THE ARMED SERVICES ARE THE ARMED WING OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
FACT IS, THE ARMED SERVICES ARE THE ARMED WING OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
Dan,
That is NOT accurate.
November 10th, 2005 at 4:50 pmThe best way to support our troops and the WOT is to follow the orders, do as told and only speak when spoken to.
We finally have the great privilege of living during a time when our government is led by some of the finest minds and keenest intellect throughout the history of our great nation.
Now is not the time to make trouble for them by demanding to speak out, not to mention to attempt to embarass our leaders by ‘talking-back’ at them in a committee hearing.
They have proven worthy of our trust. If they think we can do without, believe me - we can do without!
Semper Fi!
November 10th, 2005 at 4:51 pmNo, huh? Well, can you explain why 93% of military people vote Republican? Those are the stats, my friend.
November 10th, 2005 at 4:51 pmDan.
Dan, Fact is, that is inaccurate.
November 10th, 2005 at 4:52 pmSo why do the Vets continue to vote Republican?
November 10th, 2005 at 4:52 pmRemember Demoncrats also closed vets hospitals. We fight to defend the Constitution and Bill of rights just to have them obliterated by the Bush/Clinton crime family. Its time to wake up and vote for a Constitutionalist, someone that really cares about veterans and soldiers in the field. I thought the soldiers having to supply themselves with armor and the continual use of depleted uranium was the last straw but I guess I was wrong. No more left/right left/right over and over again! Do not be a player in their sick game of tug a war anymore!! We derserve better, our children deserve better.
November 10th, 2005 at 4:53 pmHay Catalyst! You don’t believe me?
November 10th, 2005 at 4:55 pmCheck out USMC gunner Vet…
He would do anything his President tells him.
If Bush said he wants to get the oil in Alberta,
Canada and ordered Mr. Gunner Vet and his pals
to nuke Toronto and Vancouver and Winnepeg, etc…
Mr. Gunner Vet will immediately oblige.
These Vets are mindless. They are incapable of
reason… like their slogan says… ‘[theirs] is
not to reason why…’ They really are incapable of
reason.
Dan
#91
November 10th, 2005 at 4:56 pmYou’re joking, right?
Dan, regardless of how voting trends throughout the military, it doesn’t make them mindless zombies heeding the of Republicans any more than African Americans are the tools of the Democratic Party. Yeesh.
November 10th, 2005 at 4:57 pmThis goes out to all you people who voted to keep these modern day fascists in office. This administration has slowly taken away our rights. They used vets to their advantage during relection and shit all over them the second they knew they were no longer needed.
These people are the ones who dodged out of service when it was their time to step up to the plate. G.W. Bush, Cheney, DeLay, Bolton, Rove, Limbaugh, Nugent, and the list goes on and on.
What will it take for you people to wake up? For the love of God they have ruined our once great country!
November 10th, 2005 at 4:57 pmAnd goddamnit, #91 was kidding, Dan.
November 10th, 2005 at 4:58 pmRepublicans by definition are mindless zombies, that’s why they’re republicans.
November 10th, 2005 at 4:59 pmhttp://www.karlschwarz.com/
For President!
November 10th, 2005 at 5:02 pmI kid of figured 91 was being fecetious, but there are people that really think that way.
Let me ask you LESLY, you sound like a shill for the
military. Let me ask you this question.
What would you do if your President called for a full scale invasion of Canada…? What should a soldier do, in your opinion?
Awaiting your response.
Dan
November 10th, 2005 at 5:02 pmAnd Democrats by definition are communist, I’m sure. ::eyeroll::
November 10th, 2005 at 5:03 pmAwaiting your response, Lesly….
November 10th, 2005 at 5:04 pmAwaiting Lesly’s response…..
November 10th, 2005 at 5:06 pmAwaiting Lesly’s response to #104…..
November 10th, 2005 at 5:06 pm#105…
November 10th, 2005 at 5:07 pm#103, I would laugh. Hard. NO Congress would give the president the thumbs-up to invade one of our most trusted ally without irrefutable provocation, none of this intelligence crap at the UN. And yes, I’m former military, who votes Democratic and sometimes independent.
November 10th, 2005 at 5:07 pmStill awaiting the Military Republican Shill’s response to #105….
November 10th, 2005 at 5:08 pmPerhaps the Veterans Committees will now meet behind closed doors, with prosthetic manufacturing lobbyist or private health care organizations to hammer out Veterans’ policy like Cheney’s energy meetings.
Did you know that the price of a C-Leg is $40,000 with a profit of $20,000 going to the prosthetic company.
$20,000 profit. 6550 + amputees Vietnam
300 + new amputee current meat grinder
I don’t know how many diabetes amputees are service connect but they are everywhere at White River Junction VAMC.
$20,000 profit. They push these things as the state of the art. Prosthetists eyes light up at their mention.
Expect some sort of privatization sceme for the VA coming soon. From the people who brought you the Katrina responce.
pvt pyle
November 10th, 2005 at 5:08 pmSo you would urge Soldiers to disobey orders from the Commander-in-Chief… why, Lesly?
November 10th, 2005 at 5:09 pmIt hasn’t been said, so here goes:
LIE DOWN WITH DOGS, WAKE UP WITH FLEAS.
Congrats, American Legion. You betrayed the DAV, for a coward.
November 10th, 2005 at 5:09 pmYou would urge sedition, I take it!?
November 10th, 2005 at 5:09 pmEveryone pick up your phone book, find your nearest VFW and contact them about sending a donation. Tell them you are a progressive and that regardless of what the conservatives/republicans think of them, you support them and the contribution they have made to their country.
November 10th, 2005 at 5:09 pmIt’s not sedition to refuse illegal orders.
November 10th, 2005 at 5:10 pmRandy, post 13, “flem” is spelled phlegm.
Some spelling pointers for your next diatribe.
November 10th, 2005 at 5:11 pmSo Paul in LA, you’re judge and jury? Who appointed you judge and jury?
November 10th, 2005 at 5:11 pmDan
The fact is that if Bush told the Army to invade Canada, the army would invade Canada. Pure and simple.
November 10th, 2005 at 5:14 pmThis is the mentality of militarists. That’s a fact.
Congressional approval is NOT required in fact. In theory it is, but Christ!there have been PLENTY of military actions done without Congressional approval.
Dan, I’d make sure that Bush could find Canada on a map. He thought Brazil was large, Canada is the second largest country by size with Brazil being number five. The US is third. Bush might just fall off his chair.
November 10th, 2005 at 5:14 pmBetter yet, call the VFW and tell them that they’ve made their bed with Republicans, and let them wallow in their faith…
November 10th, 2005 at 5:15 pmDan
USMC Gunner Vet #91. You don’t speak for all Marines, and especially me. One a Marine, always a Marine. What part of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and Marine Ethics class did you miss in Boot Camp, Pal? I know of NO real Marines who would pursue a “blind obedience” policy that could put them on trial for war crimes or violating our code of honor.
As for the statement that bullshit statement about the present government leaders being of the finest minds and keenest leadership: what part of Iraq have you been in lately, grunt? You are a grunt aren’t you? I was with both the 1st Marine Division and 3rd Division and the 11th MEB, and while we were all gungy and hard-core, I no of NO marine who felt that the leaders in the present government “have proven worthy of our trust.”
Semper Fi, my bro, but I don’t think you are a real Marine, or if so, at least one has served these “fine minds” in actual combat or you would certainly not be so damned naive.
November 10th, 2005 at 5:19 pmDan Cobb, whom seems to think all military people think and act alike, wrote:
If you want to put words in my mouth you should be more subtle. No, that’s not what I said. Truth is, if a military servicemember wants to press for conscientious objector s/he can, and most probably face court martial and jail time. Although an overwhelming majority decide to follow orders. Not for a flag, a president, a Constitution, or “freeing†a nation, but to support the men and women to their left and right.
Still tho, Canada is an incredulous example. Even though we have border disputes with Canada and push protectionist policies we’re talking Bizarro World scenario here.
November 10th, 2005 at 5:20 pmre “Randy”:
I’d love to count bodybags. Provided that they were full of Republicans.
November 10th, 2005 at 5:20 pmOnce again… #122, Gunner Vet was kidding. Satire’s a wonderful thing.
November 10th, 2005 at 5:23 pmLesly,
The government has been consistently rejecting requests of soldiers who signed up ‘for their education’ from obtaining the objector status. I wish what you said were true.
November 10th, 2005 at 5:23 pmDan Cobb wrote:
Uh, yes it is. The Executive can direct the Marine Corps to deploy anywhere in the world for 30 to 60(?) days, but following the allotted time requires Congressional approval to declare war and launch a full scale attack.
Iraq is a horrible, tragic exception.
November 10th, 2005 at 5:26 pmLesly is the perfect example of the militarist mind.
November 10th, 2005 at 5:35 pmThey’re in the serive to “support the men and women
to their left and right”. Nothing matters but supporting your buds… It doesn’t matter that we’re evaporating people with White Phosphorous… it doesn’t matter that we’re stealing oil… it doesn’t matter that we’ve killed over 100,000 innocent civilians… it doesn’t matter that we’ve created a hellhole for 25,000,000 people, that we’ve brough civil war to a country that was already a bad place to be… ALL THAT MATTERS is me and my buds… This is a perfect example of the arrested emotional and physchological development that so many militarists suffer from. Sounds like a bunch of 13 year old white boys in some suburban gang… all that matters is me and my homies!
There is a complete disconnect from the world around them. Their cacoon is their buds… and their rifle… I know the poem-pledges of the Marines very well, Mr. Lesly. They’re perverse… waxing romantic and loving about your rifle. Buddy, that’s odd shit!!
Dan
Lesly, uh… excuse… but how many days did the invasion of Iraq take again?? Let’s see… we went in
November 10th, 2005 at 5:39 pmin late March… and by May, your Great Leader and President was on board the USS Lincoln declaring
“MISSION ACCOMPLISHED”… If you use your fingers and toes a couple of times over… you’ll realize that it was fewer than 60 days…
Besides Iraq, there have been multiple examples of
invasions of countries without Congressional approval.
You may choose to spin and not call it “war”… but I
think most people woudl consider the invasion of a country a “war”.
Dan.
I’m sure somewhere Zell Miller is beaming with pride over his support of super-patriot George W. Bush. Spitballs, indeed.
November 10th, 2005 at 5:39 pmAgain, Lesly, you’re being pedantic. I said that IN FACT, Congressional approval is not needed… If the President orders the armed services into a country AND
November 10th, 2005 at 5:41 pmthe armed services follows his orders, the only thing the Congress can do is complain about not having been given the right to vote on the use of force. Just because the law requires Congressional approval… doesn’t mean that it always happens that way IN FACT.
Step out of that 13 year old mind-set and join the real world.
Dan
#45 - Randy, please provide a link to your source. There must be a record or set of statistics compiled somewhere that substantiate your “guarantee”. But that would present a problem, for you’d probably find that your claim was untrue. But I’m not guaranteeing that, it’s just a guess.
November 10th, 2005 at 5:41 pmthis may be good as a wake up call to all who voted Republican, especially those in the military.
November 10th, 2005 at 5:45 pmSupporting Vetrans, Republican Style
With a big hearty piss off
November 10th, 2005 at 5:46 pmRyan Neat wrote:
Ryan, I wouldn’t expect anything different from any government at any time in our history. A military full of conscientious objectors can’t defend a nation. Imagine what would happen if military tribunals made regular exceptions outside of chaplains and service members who did not make their pacifist ideology known prior to Iraq? The repercussions would outlast this conflict.
Dan Cobb wrote:
Should I assume you’d flight instead of fight if one of your friends was in trouble, even though the circumstances leading to your predicament were out of your control?
Dan Cobb wrote:
I have never heard of one homie sacrificing themselves and taking a hit for another homie. Can you provide any such example?
Dan Cobb wrote:
That’s Ms. Lesly. You may know the Marines’ pledge, but stereotypical assumptions won’t advance your argument one whit.
Dan Cobb wrote:
I have already faulted every Congressman and Senator and the president for this. Congress never officially “declared†war, they just gave Bush the go ahead to do as he pleased in Iraq on fabricated intelligence.
November 10th, 2005 at 5:56 pmCorrection:
Dan Cobb wrote:
Should I assume you’d flight instead of fight if one of your friends was in trouble, even though the circumstances leading to your predicament were out of your control?
November 10th, 2005 at 5:57 pmSigh. Another correction: “Imagine what would happen if military tribunals made regular exceptions outside of chaplains and service members who did make their pacifist ideology known prior to Iraq?”
November 10th, 2005 at 6:00 pmI joined the Army in 1948, right out of high school. Now I am sorry that I did.
I was in Japan when the Korean war broke out. My outfit was the first in Korea on July 4, 1950. I am sorry I was available.
We lost more than half our men in those first several weeks. I am sorry for them.
I am also sorry for all you folks who live in the United States of Amurka. The country has gone to hell in a hand basket because of the cocaine sniffing, alcoholic coward who has the temerity to call himself president. He couldnt even carry my dads water bucket.
What a tragic mess there is up there nowadays. I am too old to fight any more wars, except with words. The puke pile of shit talked the country into war with an indepedent country, claiming they were a danter to you all. What a pack of lies. The real enemy today is sitting smugly in the white house guarded by the biggest contingent of secret service ever assembled because he is SCARED TO DEATH. Shit runs down his leg and his drug dealer wife has to clean it up.
This is the person you all allowed to be put in the white house. Worst damn president ever appointed by the supreme court. Diebold put him in in 2004 and not a whimper, hardly, came from anyone.
I am for letting every veterans organization know what the pukes latest trick is. Lets go get em, give em hell.
November 10th, 2005 at 6:05 pmLESLY… YOU ARE AN UNMITIGATED LIAR!
November 10th, 2005 at 6:06 pmThe “circumstances leading to your predicament”
were NOT out of your control.. That’s what makes
me go angry… you gloss over the fact that you CHOSE to commit these acts… you have free will EVEN WHEN you’re in the military… believe it or not…you make it sound as if you were hauled away in chains to do your disgusting vile immoral deeds…
killing 100,000 innocent civilians… Lesly, you
simply are a defective person… You do not have
a fully formed human personality to understand what
“personal freedom” is… I feel very sorry for you.
You have a void… a gap in the development of
your personality… you are incapable of empathy
or perceiving the seriousness of war atrocities unless they are happening to you and your homies…
You are clearly an L.E.H.S. Clearly!
Dan
[…] Think Progress highlights the end of the 55-year-old practice of hearings for veterans groups before Congress. […]
November 10th, 2005 at 6:08 pmHow smart is it to piss off some 25 million guys (and women) trained to kill? I am a 70% disabled vet who has a 100% compensation for unemployability (took from 1979 till 2005 to get this rating) and the same month I am so rated I see the GOP has directed the VA to reexamine PTSD ratings in order to cut half of the 144,000 who are so rated. You know, just dump 72,000 vets on the garbage heap. Fortunately the plan blew up in their face for the MOMENT, but you know the fascists, when they lose they just come back with a bigger plan later, so brace yourselves, until they rae out of office we will be under threat daily. Who are the terrorists again?
November 10th, 2005 at 6:16 pmI saw a “Veterans for Bush” sticker once.
Talk about a stupid idiot. That guy was screwing himself with a big fat Republican dildo.
You Dubyalovers are morons and you are losing.
Dubya doesn’t care about veterans, poor people, people of color, working people or anybody else except the 2% of Americans who are getting richer.
November 10th, 2005 at 6:33 pmSorry for such a delay in being able to respond… work comes first after all. :)
Dan,
I think your attacks on our troops is a out of line. Our nation had just suffered an attack (9/11) and the American public/military were all led to believe we were in imminent danger. So why would a soldier refuse to serve if he believed what he was doing was protecting our country? I am not justifying the death of civilians, but war is NOT pretty and innocent people always pay the price in war. That just the reality. Many of our troops are realizing that they were mislead so don’t pull a Vietnam and start attacking them when they come home. That is helps NO ONE.
November 10th, 2005 at 6:40 pmOkay, I need to start editing my posts. Sorry about the failure to type some complete sentences. ;)
November 10th, 2005 at 6:43 pmIt has been obvious to me since the first so called C.A.R.E.S. commission came to Walla Walla, that as Veterans’ we are no longer the troops. Therefore any so called claims of support don’t apply to us. To this day I have seen nothing from this administration, or the RNC to change my opinion. This event, in my opinion, is just business as usual for the powers that be.
November 10th, 2005 at 6:50 pmDan Cobb wrote:
Whatever flushes your toilet.
Dan Cobb wrote:
No, you have a choice to enlist or not enlist. Once you enlist your choices are greatly diminished for the good of the nation and the government owns your ass for a few years. That’s why there is perhaps no greater moral charge for the Executive than to commit our troops to war and I hope the Democratic Party continues to court those “brainwashed†Iraq war veterans to the party.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to spread more lies on my blog.
November 10th, 2005 at 6:56 pmWait, confusion!
From the House Veterans’ Committee web site:
http://veterans.house.gov/news/109/11-8-05.html
House Committee on Veterans’ Affairs Chairman Steve Buyer (R-Ind.), announced that he will hold full committee hearings starting in February during which veterans’ groups can present their priorities and offer guidance earlier in the budget process. Calling on veterans’ groups to play a more influential role in developing the annual Department of Veterans Affairs budget, Buyer presented his plan to engage them early in the annual budget process.
They’ve had several joint meetings with their Senate counterpart this year. In April there was one where various vets’ groups testified. List of witnesses: http://veterans.house.gov/ hearings/ schedule109/ apr05/ 4-14-05/ witness.html
Then later in April they had an enlisted vets’ rep and a rep from the Gold Star wives: http://veterans.house.gov/ hearings/ schedule109/ apr05/ 4-21-05/ witness.html
There were also three hearings in March where the veterans’ groups gave official presentations. The full list is here: http://veterans.house.gov/hearings/completed.html
So, it’s not that they haven’t been given an opportunity to give presentations this year, or that they won’t be able to give presentations in the coming year. Is the problem that the release doesn’t explicitly say that the hearings will be joint with the Senate Veterans’ Committee? It doesn’t say that they won’t, either.
November 10th, 2005 at 6:58 pmBig anti-Repug hate-fest over at Free Republic. This isn’t going down well in Wingnuttia:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1519760/posts
Enjoy!
November 10th, 2005 at 7:11 pmWell, maybe I wont have to update my blog…
November 10th, 2005 at 7:14 pmI don’t know about anyone else, but, I am going to copy this site and send it to all three of my representative’s, Grassley, Harkin, and Nussel. I hope everyone else does the same for their representative’s. It is time to vote out those who don’t care about us vets and vote in those that do.
November 10th, 2005 at 7:16 pmI read the link from The Hill, and it seems that non-joint hearings are indeed the problem.
Neither Vets’ Committee site seems to list exactly who was in attendance at the joint hearings, so it’s hard to say if low attendance was a problem.
Partisanship seems to be an odd thing to make joint hearings difficult, given that the Reps have a majority in both houses.
November 10th, 2005 at 7:25 pmNo, huh? Well, can you explain why 93% of military people vote Republican? Those are the stats, my friend.
Dan.
Comment by Dan Cobb — November 10, 2005 @ 4:51 pm
I think that number might be off- although we’re not allowed to formally poll the military, but some unscientific surveys show a different story:
http://www.usatoday.com/ news/ politicselections/ nation/ president/ 2004-10-03-bush-troops_x.htm
Bush led by a 2 to 1 margin in 2000, but my guess is that was probably somewhat attributed to the Clinton factor. In 2004, it looked more like 3 to 1, but the incumbency factor probably had a play & the Swiftboat BS had an effect as well. Sure, the majority of soldiers in the last few decades have voted GOP - Republicans have been very good at posturing as the “pro-military” party, but I would guess that the numbers seen in the article linked above may have changed quite a bit in the last year. Now, since I gather from you tone that you are completely anti-military, none of this matters to you; but I would personally hesitate from painting a broad swath upon the military as mindless war-mongers. It does a disservice to many soldiers that defend their country but not their president; most notably Pat Tillman:
November 10th, 2005 at 7:25 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman
(scroll down to “anti-war revalations”)
Attacking Lesley for her temperance, especially with a seemingly jacked number of 93%, is uncalled for - she may not agree with your anti-military diatribe, but she’s still on your side when it comes to getting the Neocon mindset out of power in this country.
Lesly,
When people enlist, they are ’sold’ lies. In normal transaction of commercial exchanges, this would become null by court intervention. The military however doesn’t honor their side of the bargain - as is shown by their violation of the contract through ’stop loss’ measures.
When most soldiers sign up they are told they won’t go to war - so frankly it’s entirely misrepresentation and dishonest abuse of soldiers. It’s very ‘republican’.
November 10th, 2005 at 7:32 pmThat’s fair, JParker.
November 10th, 2005 at 7:51 pmDan
[…] According to Think Progress: On Tuesday — three days before Veterans Day — House Veterans’ Affairs Committee Chairman Steve Buyer (R-IN) announced that for the first time in at least 55 years, “veterans service organizations will no longer have the opportunity to present testimony before a joint hearing of the House and Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committees.†[…]
November 10th, 2005 at 8:04 pmDemocrats on the committee need to force a VOTE on the decision and then we can hold those reponsible to account.
Just remember, if the results on November 8, 2006 don’t match the exit polls by within 5% you need to be ready to go to the streets with everything you’ve got and not let up until the basic democratic principle of COUNTING EVERY VOTE is re-instituted in our republic. If you’re not willing to fight for Democracy, then you don’t deserve it — go back to watching and being LOST!
Charlie L
November 10th, 2005 at 8:21 pmPortland, OR
CLL2001@gmail.com
Isn’t these the same groups Bush goes to in an effort to energize the base an preach for more war?
November 10th, 2005 at 8:30 pmOh well, I guess he got them to.
If they’re not rich, they’re not a priority.
Well, does anyone need any more proof that Steve Buyer is perhaps the DUMBEST of all the bottom feeding politicians drawing breath?
Many of us figured this out listening to his mindless drool like drivel during the Impeachment debacle.
Buyer is one of those Holier than Thou Reich Wing Morons who barely has the intelligence to walk upright, the only “talent” he has, BTW, that keeps him from being that final link which proves Darwin’s Theory.
Hey Steve, do the Human Race a favor and go Cheney yourself.
November 10th, 2005 at 8:46 pmRepublicans love war but hate the soldiers.
November 10th, 2005 at 8:59 pmYup, I completely agree with the posters who say the vets (on the whole) brought this upon themselves. This and the benefit cuts they are and will continue to get from the Repugs. The majority of vets voted against Kerry and wholeheartedly believed the Swift Boat liars in their antics. I have NO doubt whatsoever that they will continue to support the Repugs no matter what they do just as the Fundies will continue to support the Repugs. It seems like as long as you wave the flag and the Bible you will get these people to support you right into hell…
November 10th, 2005 at 9:02 pmI too am outraged at the way Veterans are being treated, being one myself with service connected disabilities I depended on the V.A. for medical care and medicine: Now I am charged a co-pay because I am also retired on social security.
A question for anyone who knows. What are the names of the swiftboat Veterans for truth and who is paying them their salery? I have heard or must have read somewhere that they were being paid $100,000 a ye