Debunking the Right: The World Did Not See the Iraqi Threat as Bush Did
Debunking the Right: The World Did Not See the Iraqi Threat as Bush Did
The defenders of the Bush Iraq policy rolled out a new talking point this morning on the Sunday talk shows. That is: the Bush administration wasn’t the only one to get the pre-war intelligence wrong — rather, this was a global failure of intelligence.
Sen. John McCain: “Every intelligence agency in the world, including the Russian, including the French, including the Israeli, all had reached the same conclusion, and that was that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.†[Face the Nation]
Sen. Pat Roberts: “Not only ours but the British, not only that but the French, not only that but the Russians, not only that but the Israelis – this was a worldwide intelligence failure.†[Fox News Sunday]
Former White House Political Director Ken Mehlman: “The UN looked at it, the Germans looked at it, the French looked at it… they all agreed that this guy has WMD.†[Meet the Press]
What the right wants you to believe is that because these intelligence agencies may have believed Saddam had WMD, they also believed that the intelligence rose to the necessary level of justifying military force to invade Iraq. That is entirely false. In fact, many of our friends and allies believed the opposite — that based on the intelligence they had, the threat of Iraq did not rise to the level of justifying immediate force.
FRANCE: President Jacques Chirac: “France is not pacifist. We are not anti-American either. We are not just going to use our veto to nag and annoy the U.S. But we just feel that there is another option, another way, a less dramatic way than war, and that we have to go down that path. And we should pursue it until we have come to a dead end, but that is not the case yet.†[CNN, 3/17/03]
GERMANY: Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer: “The Security Council is now meeting for the third time within a month at ministerial level to discuss the Iraq crisis. This shows the urgency we attach to the disarmament of Iraq and to the threat of war. … Are we really in a situation that absolutely necessitates the ‘ultima ratio’, the very last resort? I think not, because the peaceful means are far from exhausted.†[Statement by Fischer to Security Council, 3/7/03]
RUSSIA: Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov: “What is really in the genuine interests of the world community? Continuing the albeit difficult but clearly fruitful results of the inspectors’ work, or resorting to force, which inevitably will result in enormous loss of life and is fraught with serious and unpredictable consequences for regional and international stability? It is our deep conviction that the possibilities for disarming Iraq through political means do exist. And they really exist. And this cannot but be acknowledged.†[Statement by Ivanov, 3/7/03]
CHINA: Foreign Minister Tang Jiaxuan: “We believe that as long as we stick to the road of political settlement, the goal of destroying Iraq’s WMD could still be obtained. Resolution 1441 did not come by easily. Given the current situation, we need resolve and determination, and more importantly, patience and wisdom.” [Statement by Jiaxuan, 3/7/03]
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Quesion IS WHY DID SHE TRY? NOT, LETS GO TO WAR AGAIN!
Jordan ‘failed bomber’ confesses
November 13th, 2005 at 1:30 pm‘I tried to detonate mine but I failed’, woman tells interrogators
Blessed ARE! all of you who are concerned and want to defend for the Poor, and Poverty.
November 13th, 2005 at 1:33 pmBless you richly.
LUKE CHAPTER 6
24 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.
25 Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.
26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
27 ¶ But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies,
EXCUSES, EXCUSES, EXCUSES. THATS ALL THEY ARE!~ INSTEAD OF SAYING(I AM SORRY).
November 13th, 2005 at 1:36 pmHow many of those foreign intelligence agencies believed that Iraq was weeks to months away from having a nuclear bomb that would be used to attack the United States? None, zero, zip, nada.
The WMD they all thought he had were chemical weapons and possibly some biological weapons. Those are a problem, especially for his own people and for neighboring countries but they would not have been an imminent threat to the U.S. if he had had them.
November 13th, 2005 at 1:43 pmBUSH LIED , WHO DIED?
November 13th, 2005 at 1:49 pmIMPEACH BUSH NOW>
BRING THEM HOME NOW!
etc etc….
It’s significant that this mis-administration told us that this would be quick, painless and justified war. Now they are STILL defending their decision to go to war. If it was so obvious that we were in danger why is it necessary to be still be attempting to convince Americans of it’s value, need and merit? Bushco’s biggest problem is that the reasons for war were false. The plan has always been to establish numerous military bases in Iraq and attempt to control oil and leadership in the region via military force. Their false reasons for war will be found out…then the Americans will let them know what happens when leaders lie to voters.
November 13th, 2005 at 1:57 pmYou know, My feelings of this Lady is more SAD than Anger. What are your takes on this?
Jordan ‘failed bomber’ confesses
November 13th, 2005 at 1:59 pm‘I tried to detonate mine but I failed’, woman tells interrogators
The international community did agree that Iraq was a threat. They disagreed on how to address the threat, which is a separate issue. Much of that opposition was a result of the Oil-for-Food scam.
Faiz is, like Democratic leaders such as Harry Reid and Carl Levin, a disingenuous, seditious weasel. They are undermining our troops with their lies.
“Anybody who says there is no working relationship between al Qaeda and Iraqi intelligence going back to the early ’90s–they can only say that if they’re illiterate. This is a slam dunk.” — James Woolsey, CIA director under President Bill Clinton, November 2003
“in the post-Sept. 11 world, the unrestrained threat of weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Saddam Hussein is unacceptable and that his refusal to allow in inspectors is in blatant violation of the United Nations 1991 cease-fire agreement that left him in power.” — John Kerry, Sept. 6, 2002
“There is also no question that Saddam Hussein continues to pursue weapons of mass destruction, and his success can threaten both our interests in the region and our security at home.” — John Kerry, Sept. 6, 2002
“If Saddam Hussein is unwilling to bend to the international community’s already existing order, then he will have invited enforcement, even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act.” — John Kerry, Sept. 6, 2002
“In 1991, the world collectively made a judgment that this man [Saddam Hussein] should not have weapons of mass destruction. And we are here today in the year 2002 with an uninspected 4-year interval during which time we know through intelligence he not only has kept them, but he continues to grow them.”
“I believe the record of Saddam Hussein’s ruthless, reckless breach of international values and standards of behavior which is at the core of the cease-fire agreement, with no reach, no stretch, is cause enough for the world community to hold him accountable by use of force, if necessary. The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new.” — John Kerry, October 9, 2002
“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. We know he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.” — Al Gore, September 2002
“There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein’s regime poses a threat to his people, his neighbours and the world at large because of his biological and chemical weapons and his nuclear programme. They admitted to vast stores of biological and chemical stocks in 1995. In 1998, as the Prime Minister’s speech a few days ago made clear, even more were documented.” — Bill Clinton, October 2002
“The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton, 1998
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons” — Hillary Clinton, 2002
“Now, I believe the facts that have brought us to this fateful vote are not in doubt,” Hillary Clinton told the Senate the day she announced her support for the war.
“There’s a very clear history and intention of not only building stockpiles and adding to what they already have of biological and chemical weaponry, but attempting to obtain nuclear capacity” — Hillary Clinton
November 13th, 2005 at 2:06 pmHer Face resembles that of Mother Mary.
November 13th, 2005 at 2:08 pmDon,t you think?
#8 , read #3.
November 13th, 2005 at 2:13 pm#10, read #8.
November 13th, 2005 at 2:18 pm“…a disingenuous, seditious weasel. They are undermining our troops with their lies.”
puh-leeeze… the fact of the matter is, no matter who said what or when they said it, bushco was bound and determined to go to war in iraq… they managed to whip up a frenzy that a lot of people, wwallace included, are still caught up in to this very day… there were and are only three reasons for why the u.s. went into iraq and remains there still – money, power and oil – and all three of them are interdependent… publicly proclaiming those three reasons would, of course, be political suicide… you can’t lead a country into war (at least the u.s. anyway) on that basis… but you can appeal to the white hats/black hats streak that runs deep in our culture and that was laid open and raw after 9/11… it’s always easier to go to war against a perceived satan and the intent of the w.h.i.g. was to insure that was the perception of the media and the american people… it worked very well… now that the real reasons are emerging, we can play the “he said, she said” game forever but it won’t alter the facts… the iraq war was and is a war of choice and the choice was based on a lie…
oh, and btw, there is nothing “seditious” about pursuing the truth…
November 13th, 2005 at 2:18 pmForgive them Father, For they no not what they do.
November 13th, 2005 at 2:18 pmprofmarcus still has his tinfoil hat on too tight. The Democrats are lying, they are not pursuing the truth. They undermine the troops with their lies.
November 13th, 2005 at 2:20 pmPerhaps France, Germany, Russia and Israel did believe that Saddam had WMD. None of them joined us in our preemptive attack on Iraq. End of story.
November 13th, 2005 at 2:21 pmLindaB… “Perhaps France, Germany, Russia and Israel did believe that Saddam had WMD.”
Then is is impossible to say Bush lied for believing the same thing. It is clearly and unambiguously the Democrats who are lying. They are undermining our troops in the process. It is un-American what they are doing.
Whether the Russians, Germans, or French helped out with the liberation of Iraq is a separate question – they believed Iraq had WMD and was a threat.
November 13th, 2005 at 2:24 pm#11 read #13
November 13th, 2005 at 2:27 pmAS M.C. Hammer says,
ITS HAMMER TIME!
GUILTY OF Disobeying God!
November 13th, 2005 at 2:34 pm#17, read #14.
November 13th, 2005 at 2:37 pmYou are a Lost case and cause wwallace.
November 13th, 2005 at 2:38 pmI don’t about you wwallace, but I wish I was in the position of the Germans, French, Chinese, and Russians right now — instead of the position we’re in.
November 13th, 2005 at 2:42 pm#19, read #18.
November 13th, 2005 at 2:47 pmThey are sinking fast.
November 13th, 2005 at 2:47 pmJunior will soon slit his wrists.
I,m with you, JACK. Seriously speaking of course.
November 13th, 2005 at 2:48 pmno Jokes aside on this one.
#23, Hitler pulled off that exact stunt. Rememer that?
November 13th, 2005 at 2:51 pmBetter keep Jr under close Observation.
November 13th, 2005 at 2:52 pmEh, another BS strawman. Of course those countries didn’t believe the WMD threat meant that Saddam should be removed. Saddam was Russia, France, and China’s sugardaddy. Why in the world would they want to remove him? Their countries were doing billions of dollars of business with Iraq, their nationalized oil companies were receiving favor with Saddam Hussein, and political parties and persons in those countries were receiving bribes from Saddam Hussein.
I don’t see that the Right has even made this argument, it is just another strawman that ThinkProgress needs to brainwash its readers with.
The goal posts have been moved, the Democrats are finally waking up and realizing that everyone believed in the WMDs, even other countries. The Democrats have said all along that Bush lied about the WMDs, that everyone knew that the WMDs weren’t there, and it just wasn’t true. Now they know that the CIA believed in it.
So now we change the argument to something else, and it will again be defeated.
The Democrats need to stop pretending they have a clue on foreign policy, and hit president Bush where it hurts – domestic policy.
November 13th, 2005 at 2:56 pmWhy does everyone forget the UN weapons inspectors?
Remember, that was Bush’s big ploy before October 2002 — Saddam must let inspectors back in. Of course, they thought (and hoped) that Hussein would be stubborn and say no. But, he called their bluff and let the inspectors back into Iraq.
So then the Bushites and radical Republicans had to discredit the inpections. That’s when the Bushites really did concoct and manipulate intelligence. Remember, Powell’s famous intercepted telephone calls between Iraqi military officers — that said nothing, but that he claimed were evidence that the WMD were being moved around? Remember, the mobile bio/chem labs that even when put up his cartoon drawings at the UN, most experts said were hyrodgen processors?
In mid-March 2003, ElBaradei concluded that that there was not a nuclear weapons program and Blix stated that, though progress was slow, they were not finding evidence of WMD stockpiles or production programs.
At that moment, war was clearly unnecessary. From that moment, Bush ordering the unprovoked attack was a waging “aggressive war” — that is a crime.
So, all this blather about how everybody else believed that Saddam had WMD so that makes the war okay is just crap. The best intelligence available at the time came from inspectors on the ground in Iraq — and they said there was little or no proof that Saddam was a threat to anyone with WMD.
Bush and his regime (and Blair) are obviously open to charges of being war criminals. Which is why the neocons, radical Republicans and Christofacsists are spinning like a top to get themselves off the hook.
November 13th, 2005 at 2:58 pmSeixon, pardon you, but, It seriouly has nothing to do with MONEY, It has to DO with LIFE OR DEATH?
November 13th, 2005 at 3:00 pmGET A LIFE, SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE ALLREADY dead in love with your money.
sometimes ,tough love is the only way to get through to them. dont you think?
November 13th, 2005 at 3:04 pmWWallace, why is it that everyone *believed* that Saddam had these elusive weapons–weapons that have not, to this day, been found to even remotely match the level that Dubya and his handlers claimed?
November 13th, 2005 at 3:05 pmThere is such a thing as “bluster”, a weapon which every political leader has in order to largely prevent his enemies from attacking him or his country. Saddam had plenty of “bluster”, especially regarding his country’s military state of readiness (including weaponry). For crying out loud, how long did it take for the world’s 4th-largest standing army (in 1991) to collapse during Desert Storm? This was an army which FAILED to capture (and hold) more than a few hundred square kilometers of Iranian land over the course of an 8-year war with Iran. More importantly, if Saddam truly had all these chemical and biological agents at this disposal, why didn’t he order them used once the Americans began the ground attack? I truly can’t fathom the level of denial among Dubya’s staunch faithful in ignoring this point. Saddam (as we are ALL aware) had no trouble using these weapons against Kurds or Iranians (he’d also had no trouble in receiving the base materiel to make these weapons from his buddies in the Reagan White House–like Rumsfeld), yet at NO point during the entirety of the ground war did he order these purported weapons against another invading army. Why did he hold back? Was it out of the goodness of his heart? Was he afraid that the UN might then give the US the “green light” to launch the invasion (which, of course, was already well underway)? In nature, you don’t corner an animal, especially one that is known to be dangerous, without expecting to be attacked (virtually any nature program can show how even normally timid animals can turn quite vicious when it feels trapped and threatened). Saddam, after the ground war began, was equally as dangerous, yet he never used the “weapons” that Dubya and his handlers promised were there.
Saddam was in an obvious position of weakness if he allowed anyone to believe that he didn’t have WMDs, and without the threat of potential retaliation to keep his enemies in check, Saddam’s enemies (both domestic and foreign, even al-Qaeda) could have become emboldened.
But just go on believing the spin of Dubya and his neocon handlers if that makes it easier for you to sleep at night.
“The Democrats need to stop pretending they have a clue on foreign policy.”
It’s the Repubs that have proved their cluelessness over the past 6 years, no? Do we have to list off all the failures?
November 13th, 2005 at 3:17 pmWe were almost all fooled, what’s so hard about admiting that? Bush and gang ‘took advantage’ of the hurt of 911, and ‘twisted’ it for their ‘personal advantage’…or LIED. I’m sorry McCain, you of all people should know the horrors of war, yet ’stay’ on the war bandwagon…shame. You sir are ‘TWO FACED’.
November 13th, 2005 at 3:18 pm#29 Dave C., I too remember Germany, France and Russia insisting that weapons inspectors be allowed to do their job. (Proof that they weren’t sold on Bushies lies) If Bushie had allowed the inspectors to do their job we wouldn’t be at war.
At no time did Germany, France or Russia support the invasion of Iraq. They still dont. Gerard Shroeder, as a matter of fact wanted to have Bushie brought to trial for war crimes.
Bushie and McCain (and all other pugs) are nothing but liars. They mislead our country to war and no amount of rightwing talking points is going to change the minds of real honest Americans.
Impeach the entire Bushie administration.
November 13th, 2005 at 3:32 pmIt is significant that the Russians, the French, and the Germans were willing to work so much harder for peace. They understand war very well. They understand the rebuilding after a war. They know how close they are to the battlefield. They also know how close they are if WMD were to be used. Far closer than we are and yet they would not buy the notion that WMD were there until it was proven.
November 13th, 2005 at 3:38 pmOn another post blablabla (quite a name) and I were discussing the draft. I made the point that if the draft had been in place, the people of the US would have been far less willing to accept the validity of this war. Bush used that to his advantage. In our eyes, we Americans, could have a 6 day war or whatever without sacrifice.
The europeans understand the illogican nature of that mentality. War is war. They understand sacrifice. For someone like wwalace to still at this point in time try to justify a war that was pushed upon the American people with forged documents, undermining behavior, smear campaigns, and lies is I think far more unpatriotic than anyone who will not support the war.
Hey, Hi Jeanne, hehe
November 13th, 2005 at 3:48 pmYou DID get it.
On another post blablabla (quite a name) and I were discussing the draft. I made the point that if the draft had been in place, the people of the US would have been far less willing to accept the validity of this war.
That was the purpose of Initial Draft(far less willing to go to War).
(but, that was supposed to be kept secretive, its a Plan to be used in the future if we ever get a decent ldr in.) oh well, the light is out of the bag now.
“The international community did agree that Iraq was a threat. They disagreed on how to address the threat, which is a separate issue.”
*Not* a separate issue–because how you address the threat has everything to do with its gravity. Many suspected the hype coming out of our stovepiped intelligence (see the Downing Street Memo). Sure, there might have been some gas canisters gathering dust somewhere not caught by the inspectors. But were those kinds of things a trigger for an invasion? By common sense, no. That’s why the Bush folks didn’t want to go to the UN, because of their fear was that everyone would see how weak their case was.
“Much of that opposition was a result of the Oil-for-Food scam.”
Now who’s wearing the “tinfoil hat”? It’s more likely that the international community disagreed with us that the situation merited the invasion, conquering, and occupation of another country.
And wouldn’t you know, they were right.
November 13th, 2005 at 4:10 pmwwallace, my man. You really do need to get your shit together. Your arguement sounds so—desperate?—-using that old conservative BS line of bringing up the Clintons and envoking Kerry’s name for everything. Even Seixon or Sextool or whatever he/she calls herself in #29 doesn’t try that tired-assed trick.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the liberals here would use your own arguement against you, noting that even Bill Clinton, who as you point out, acknowledged that Iraq had WMD’s, yet he did NOT take us into a preemptive war based on what proved to be FAULTY information.
I mean, based on your arguement are you suggesting the superior judgement shown by President Clinton (IQ 182) in not taking us to war makes President Bush (IQ 91)look like he used very poor judgement? As a rightwinger, myself, I have to disagree no matter what the facts are so you and Sextool can both save your breaths trying to convince me Bush is actually a very stupid person.
Of coure, even a rightwinger like me has to acknowledge that his low IQ gives Bush a dull, dimwitted and elementary approach to everything. What’s your take on the fact that 2/3rds of the population in America is smarter than him? And how could us conservatives be so stupid to still support him? Maybe the answer to that lies in the other 1/3 of those IQ’s.
Sextool: your mama.
November 13th, 2005 at 4:13 pmas M.C.Hammer puts it.
Yo,,da dada da
HEY,,YO,, you know,?
ITS HAMMERTIME.
DA DADADA
GUILTY FOR Disobeying God!
November 13th, 2005 at 4:16 pmFREEDOM BUBBLE IS ABOUT TO BURST_
November 13th, 2005 at 4:20 pmEYES WIDE OPEN!
http://www.iris.edu/seismon/
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When wallace enlists he’ll have some credibility. Until then, he’s just another liar.
November 13th, 2005 at 4:44 pmWhen wallace enlists he’ll have some credibility. Until then, he’s just another scaredycat.
November 13th, 2005 at 4:47 pmthe mistakes made — as reported by Gen Zinni
Gen. Anthony Zinni, USMC, (Ret.) Remarks at CDI Board of Directors Dinner, May 12, 2004
November 13th, 2005 at 4:47 pmhttp://tinyurl.com/2kmyg
Gen. Anthony Zinni, USMC, (Ret.)
November 13th, 2005 at 5:03 pmWhen I was in Vietnam, my first tour of duty, I was an advisor with the Vietnamese Marines. So, I went to Vietnamese language school. And, I lived, I wore the uniform of the Vietnamese Marines and we lived in the villages. They had a quartering act. And I remember one time I was in the house of a family in northern part of South Vietnam and after dinner, the mother of the house said, “Do you have any pictures of your family?†And I showed them to her in her house. And she said, “Why are you here?â€
Why doesn’t the right admit that even though others felt Saddam was a threat — that that was all he was — a threat. They all felt that diplomacy and weapons inspectors needed more time — they all discouraged Bush from his foolish plan. As a result, the so-called coalition was a loosely knit group of countries with strong economic ties (bribery) with the US. Blair was the only other fool and his country is not happy with him either.
November 13th, 2005 at 5:29 pmThis war is wrong, illegal. The self-proclaimed moral Republicans can’t see past their sins of pride, stubbornness, greed and their own immorality. It’s hard to admit you’re wrong, but a well adjusted person is able to do the right thing.
Even if Saddam was a threat, it was the U.S. that armed him. Logically, that would make the U.S. a co-conspirator.
November 13th, 2005 at 5:40 pmblablabla,
November 13th, 2005 at 5:44 pmSeriously, do you want a gun in the hands of wwalace?
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November 13th, 2005 at 5:46 pmFrance, Germany, Russia and China- Yep, the guys knee deep in Saddam’s bribes were against ousting him. That’s weird……
November 13th, 2005 at 5:48 pmYeah also wierd that if Saddam had enough money to bribe off nations way richer than him, he woulda had some weapons of some sort in actuality?
November 13th, 2005 at 5:54 pm#51, where did that come from?,lol.
November 13th, 2005 at 6:00 pm#53. Yup Turk, Shur is wierd. makes one think.
like I said, its not about the money, its about life.
dosnt matter how knee deep thay are in bribes. Hells bells, Turk, doncha think america is now Knee deep in Bribes???
yup, makes one think, (were did all that money for War go to , and where DID that Found Saddam Money Go to?)
just thinking.
(pardon the Lango, was speaking to hillbilly turk,lol)
my buddy.
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November 13th, 2005 at 6:02 pmthat oil for food argument is bullshit. I’m so sick of hearing it. The countries did not want to go to war with Iraq because they knew it would become what it has become, a quagmire.
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/27792/
By the way here’s an article discussing the oil for fuel scandal. (Sorry for the long post)
“That’s technically accurate but substantially false. In a global economy, distinctions between “American” or “French” companies are essentially a joke. The Volcker report paints a picture of layer upon layer of front companies and cut-outs, off-shore subsidiaries and hastily slapped together strategic partnerships: “Iraq’s preference for French companies and the limited number of recipients in France for Iraqi crude oil led certain companies to pass themselves off … as being French-based.” The report cites a 1998 letter from a French official to an Iraqi official based in Paris, in which he expressed “his concerns and his government’s concerns … regarding the increase in British and American companies as well as others who exploit the decision of the Iraqi leadership in providing priority to conducting business with French companies by signing contracts with Iraq through their offices in France.”
November 13th, 2005 at 6:03 pm#55
November 13th, 2005 at 6:05 pmI was referring to #46
When wallace enlists he’ll have some credibility. Until then, he’s just another scaredycat.
Halliburton didn,t profit??????
November 13th, 2005 at 6:05 pmsilly people. america capitalized off of this war!
No kidding. If you have a mutual fund you profited on this war because Halliburton is a big part of the mutual fund business.
November 13th, 2005 at 6:10 pmWOW!!!!!!!
November 13th, 2005 at 7:07 pmRYAN HAS BEEN DOINT SEVERE OVERTIME WORK. I HOPE YOU ARE GETTING TIME AND A HALF.
THANKS FOR THE WELL WRITTEN ARTICLE.
RYAN NEAT FOR 2008!
You got my Vote Mr Future President!
By the way, Whos gonna be your Vise? may I make a Suggestion? here are a few candidates i,ve selected for you:
profmarcus , Jack , Dave C.,
Secretary of State? Jeanne
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/
Dateline NBC
• November 12, 2005 | 5:05 p.m. ET
The silent humanitarian disaster (Ann Curry)
“The hardest part was hearing the children crying at night.” —Alex Erolin, Humanitarian worker, American Refugee Committee International
November 13th, 2005 at 7:21 pmWolfowitz PNAC member knew the reason all along:
November 13th, 2005 at 7:21 pmhttp://www.whatreallyhappened.com/aboutoil.htm
(Source: Guardian)
blablabla,
November 13th, 2005 at 7:28 pmHave you ever gone to the Today in Iraq site or the Dahr Jamail site?
Both are very intersting. Today in Iraq was established by veterans but now has others blogging too. One post was very eloquent. He wrote of the end of the first gulf war and the few moments he shared with the commander of the Iraqi army. Very moving. If I can find the date I’ll post it.
As a Matter of Fact , I,ve written to Dahr Numourous times.
November 13th, 2005 at 7:34 pmI believe he too saw the Big Picture BEFORE The WAR started. Alot of People forgot that at the beginning , before the WAR, People went Over there as Human Shields. I always wondered what has become of them?
I found it.
http://dailywarnews.blogspot.com/2005_04_01_dailywarnews_archive.html
Rant of the Day, Friday, April 1, 2005
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November 13th, 2005 at 7:35 pmIt’s way at the bottom of the page. You may have to hit f11 to have it all come up.
How do you know when the WH is lying?…..someones lips are moving.
November 13th, 2005 at 7:37 pmhttp://dahrjamailiraq.com
November 13th, 2005 at 7:39 pmblablabla,
Well I’m just a wealth of information today. Here’s a partial answer to the human shield question.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/07/0320229&mode=thread&tid=41
November 13th, 2005 at 7:41 pmShoot, I barely made it through High School, and, You want me to study more? hahahaha.
November 13th, 2005 at 7:42 pmjust kiddin, Miss Sec of State.
good articles though. keepem coming
Magnitude 5.1 – TARAPACA, CHILE
November 13th, 2005 at 7:43 pm2005 November 13 23:18:31 UTC
Preliminary Earthquake Report
John McCain is someone that many democrats seem to like. However, I remain very lukewarm because of statements like he made today. He needs to separate himself from the talking points garbage.
November 13th, 2005 at 7:43 pmfacinating isnt it?
The Bush administration says that human shields will not prevent US bombs from falling on Baghdad.
Last month, War Secretary Donald Rumsfeld called Iraq’s deployment of human shields “murder” and “a violation of the laws of armed conflict and a crime against humanity.”
Army Gen. Tommy Franks, who would run the military campaign against Iraq, said that U.S. war planners would not “necessarily” take the human shields into account.
November 13th, 2005 at 7:45 pmThe consensus view before the liberation of Iraq was that Saddam had WMD. Calling me childish names won’t do anything to change that fact. :()
November 13th, 2005 at 7:47 pmRyan,#61…Good job! The neocons should pay close attention to the American Oil Company (Bayoil) that has already been indicted. They think that they can ignore indictments and replace them with talking points. Not in America neocons. Indictments say it all.
November 13th, 2005 at 7:47 pm#76 wallace, you’re lying again. The consensus was that the weapons inspectors should be allowed to do their job.
November 13th, 2005 at 7:51 pmAm I the only one who can hardly read the font in this blog?
Bathroom Review
November 13th, 2005 at 7:55 pmRocketry
The consensus for many years was that Iraq was a threat, had WMD, and supported terrorists. The Democrats’ claim that President Bush made is up is therefore obvious nonsense.
The Democrats are undermining the troops in the middle of a war; it is un-American what they’re doing.
November 13th, 2005 at 7:57 pm“Anybody who says there is no working relationship between al Qaeda and Iraqi intelligence going back to the early ’90s–they can only say that if they’re illiterate. This is a slam dunk.” — James Woolsey, CIA director under President Bill Clinton, November 2003
“in the post-Sept. 11 world, the unrestrained threat of weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Saddam Hussein is unacceptable and that his refusal to allow in inspectors is in blatant violation of the United Nations 1991 cease-fire agreement that left him in power.” — John Kerry, Sept. 6, 2002
“There is also no question that Saddam Hussein continues to pursue weapons of mass destruction, and his success can threaten both our interests in the region and our security at home.” — John Kerry, Sept. 6, 2002
“If Saddam Hussein is unwilling to bend to the international community’s already existing order, then he will have invited enforcement, even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act.” — John Kerry, Sept. 6, 2002
“In 1991, the world collectively made a judgment that this man [Saddam Hussein] should not have weapons of mass destruction. And we are here today in the year 2002 with an uninspected 4-year interval during which time we know through intelligence he not only has kept them, but he continues to grow them.”
“I believe the record of Saddam Hussein’s ruthless, reckless breach of international values and standards of behavior which is at the core of the cease-fire agreement, with no reach, no stretch, is cause enough for the world community to hold him accountable by use of force, if necessary. The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new.” — John Kerry, October 9, 2002
“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. We know he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.” — Al Gore, September 2002
“There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein’s regime poses a threat to his people, his neighbours and the world at large because of his biological and chemical weapons and his nuclear programme. They admitted to vast stores of biological and chemical stocks in 1995. In 1998, as the Prime Minister’s speech a few days ago made clear, even more were documented.” — Bill Clinton, October 2002
“The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton, 1998
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons” — Hillary Clinton, 2002
“Now, I believe the facts that have brought us to this fateful vote are not in doubt,” Hillary Clinton told the Senate the day she announced her support for the war.
“There’s a very clear history and intention of not only building stockpiles and adding to what they already have of biological and chemical weaponry, but attempting to obtain nuclear capacity” — Hillary Clinton
November 13th, 2005 at 7:58 pmHow Convenient
Knock… knock? What’s particularly disturbing is that these people really do believe they’ll get a pass on this… misleading the public, say nothing …
November 13th, 2005 at 7:58 pmGood,Quick, Thoughtfull, AND TRUTHFULL,response Sue.
November 13th, 2005 at 7:58 pmGood Job.
I’ll take Condi’s job blabla if I can take it by beating her ass in a boxing ring. I’ll even tie my hands behind my back.
November 13th, 2005 at 8:05 pmTypical Republican: Freak of nature, pond scum……
November 13th, 2005 at 8:09 pmPeople, the fact that Russia, France and China had a financial stake in the Saddams’ Iraq is proof of their corruption and inability to make a decision separate from thier economic interests.
The fact that the US went into Iraq and replaced Russia, France and China’s economic interests with America’s businesses and economic interests is proof of the benevolent desire of America to promote democracy in the middle east.
-GSD
See, propaganda made simple. Accuse others of doing exactly what you are doing.
November 13th, 2005 at 8:09 pmGranite State Liar, the US replaced a dictator with a democratic government in Iraq. We did the same in Afghanistan.
November 13th, 2005 at 8:12 pmhttp://benfrank.net/blog/2005/11/12/krauthammer/
“Charles Krauthammer is a [PNAC] neocon journalist for the WaPo:
It was announced last week that U.S. scientists have just created a living, killing copy of the 1918 “Spanish†flu.
This is big. Very big.
First, it is a scientific achievement of staggering proportions. The Spanish flu has not been seen on this blue planet for 85 years. Its re-creation is a story of enterprise, ingenuity, serendipity, hard work and sheer brilliance.
[[Doesn’t he sound excited? Scary.]]
Beyond the brilliance lies the sheer terror. We have brought back to life an agent of near-biblical destruction…
Not only has the virus been physically re-created, but its entire genome has also now been published for the whole world, good people and very bad, to see….
Why [would terrorists] try to steal loose nukes in Russia? A nuke can only destroy a city. The flu virus, properly evolved, is potentially a destroyer of civilizations.
We might have just given it to our enemies.”
November 13th, 2005 at 8:12 pmI posted quotes from Democrats. Why Ryan bin Ladin wants to call all those statements from Democrats “debunked lies” only he knows. :()
November 13th, 2005 at 8:13 pmYour a liar wwwwwallace. The only thing you’ve been honest about is admitting that Bushie removed Saddam from power which is an impeachable offense.
November 13th, 2005 at 8:18 pmBush hasn’t done anything wrong, let alone anything impeachable. :()
November 13th, 2005 at 8:19 pmwwallace, your Republic Democracy government (Freedom as YOU call It!)
November 13th, 2005 at 8:23 pmIS ABOUT TO BURST WIDE OPEN!
Its Hammer Time!
You’re making me laugh wwwwallace. You are so twisted.
November 13th, 2005 at 8:24 pmSusan, calling me names will never change the facts I’ve posted here. :()
November 13th, 2005 at 8:27 pmwwallace Wants attention, Shall we give it to him?lol.
November 13th, 2005 at 8:31 pmHe likes to be spanked blabla.
November 13th, 2005 at 8:33 pm“What the right wants you to believe is that because these intelligence agencies may have believed Saddam had WMD, they also believed that the intelligence rose to the necessary level of justifying military force to invade Iraq. That is entirely false. In fact, many of our friends and allies believed the opposite — that based on the intelligence they had, the threat of Iraq did not rise to the level of justifying immediate force.”
Ex squeeze me but why all those unnecessary words run amuck? Do people no longer know how to state things clearly, or is the meaning intentionally buried? I see the word “believed” used four times.
All to say what? that…
“..the threat of Iraq did not rise to the level of justifying immediate force.” thank you.
So what is the argument? And why all the words? Unless Bill, the Imperialist, Clinton, and his wife Hilary, the Pretender to the throne, need words to mask their contumnacity. I made that word up. But it sounds like it means something. Kind of like Faiz is trying to do.
November 13th, 2005 at 8:35 pmBlame the CIA…they are a bunch of morons afterall.
I feel safe now.
November 13th, 2005 at 8:43 pmSo what parts of all those quotes from Democrats are lies? How have their own words been “debunked”?
And if your talking point is really, “We Democrats were taken in by the glib, silver-tongued GWB! He fooled us into saying all those things about our own firm beliefs in Saddam’s dangers!”, well then why don’t the Dems just come on out and admit that THEY were wrong?
November 13th, 2005 at 8:46 pm#99. aren.t you the Smart one. contumnacity. I made that word up. But it sounds like it means something;
November 13th, 2005 at 8:47 pmHeres your sign, “STUPID”:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
GOD.
Skip the impeachment. Bush is a war criminal. Let’s bus this chimp and his co-conspirators straight to the Hague.
Hell, I’ll reactivate my cable just to watch that.
November 13th, 2005 at 8:49 pmRyan, I was just feeding into Bushies propaganda. I’m making a case for you cant have it both ways. Either the CIA is competent and we should feel safe or they are a bunch of smucks and Bushie is doing a terrible job protecting the country.
Valerie Plame was CIA and thanks to her husband the American People have the truth.
November 13th, 2005 at 8:54 pmIsn’t outing a CIA agent treason? Don’t we kill people who commit treason against our nation? I say we go for Treason and settle for a long drawn out impeachment when the righties start whining that it isn’t fair.
November 13th, 2005 at 8:54 pmThis plays right up there with #90 post.
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
November 13th, 2005 at 8:55 pmGOD.
Ryan CIA Neat
“The CIA has diversity just like america.”
Yah. And as long as there’s diversity in their torture prisons then we’re all ok right?
November 13th, 2005 at 8:56 pmOnly the republican CIA agents torture GOI.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:00 pmSusan, you said
“Either the CIA is competent and we should feel safe or they are a bunch of smucks and Bushie is doing a terrible job protecting the country.”
YOu have posed the dilemma incorrectly
the dilemma is
November 13th, 2005 at 9:02 pm“The CIA was corrupted, Bush is doing a terrible job, and we should not feel safe
vs
the CIA by its very nature is incompetent and corruptible, should be disbanded, torture does not work, Bush is doing a terrible job
Lying about outing a CIA agent is a crime. Just ask Scooter Libby.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:03 pmSusan
You now say “Only republican CIA torture”
Are you completely stupid, or just partially impaired?
November 13th, 2005 at 9:04 pmRyan CIA NEat
The CIA are like the rest of the military
No, I don’t think so.
There’s a difference
namely – IT’s SECRET
November 13th, 2005 at 9:05 pmSounds like GOI goes both ways. It must be hermaphrodite posting under another name.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:09 pmI will repost for you though GOI…only republican CIA agents torture. Am I clear enough for your lame brain now.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:10 pmRyan CIA Neat
“These are the people that got AlQueda started.”
How so
November 13th, 2005 at 9:11 pmIf being insane means not condoning torture, then I’m insane. It’s better than being a republican, at least there’s hope for me.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:15 pmAlQueda? I think you have a spelling problem – and was it not Carter’s Secretary of Defense who equipped the Afghanis – but you probably wouldn’t know about that since you can’t even spell Al Qaeda
Ryan, you and Susan are dufuses
November 13th, 2005 at 9:15 pmRyan CIA Neat and Susan
IT was Carter’s national security guy, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who admittedly funded the taliban or pre-taliban osama in order to create a fight with the soviets.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:17 pmRyan, teaching morons is hard work isn’t it? The GaysOnParade brigade is most challenging.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:18 pmwwwwallace, please quit changing your name. We know you you have multiple personalities but thats no excuse.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:19 pmSusan
November 13th, 2005 at 9:21 pmYou’re a fraud. You attack and protect Ryan’s flank, but you have nothing to attack with. Just a bunch of whoee, like Ryan CIA Neat. Two blowhards fulminating about what? You can’t even admit that the Clintons are in it up to their eyeballs just like the Bushies. You cling to the shredded tattered belief that the Democratic party stands for something. Maybe you don’t even believe that. Maybe you are like Raiz of the 4 beliefs, and you believe in nothing except yourselves and the CIA, it would appear.
Susan…
November 13th, 2005 at 9:22 pmare you a teacher?
Susan And Ryan
Don’t even speak Molly Ivins name,
You two are such frauds, you must be CIA
November 13th, 2005 at 9:22 pmRyan and Susan CIA trolls
November 13th, 2005 at 9:23 pmHere we go again. Defend Bush by attacking Clinton.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:25 pmRyan and Susan CIA
It’s not spelled AlQueda
jeez
November 13th, 2005 at 9:26 pmI’m CIA, you better watch out…I can torture you, Bushie said so.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:27 pmRyanSusanCIA
You need to learn to spell before you undermine
it’s spelled AL Qaeda
NOT
Al Queda
no wonder BUsh got it ALL wrong
thanks to you
November 13th, 2005 at 9:27 pmSusanCIA
YOu just admitted you are CIA
Ok well that explains alot
November 13th, 2005 at 9:28 pmIsrael had Iraq #2 on it’s list of threats _UNTIL_ Unscom reported to the UN their findings during the Clinton era (late).
By the time Georgey Boy Bush got a wild hair up his a** and decided Afghanistan wasn’t enough to pacify those peace loving Christians who form his RabbidReichWingWackJob base, Isael had Iraq much farther down it’s list of emminent threats.
Bushy Boy wanted this “war” soooooo bad he was willing to sell the US (but _not_ the world) on the need to invade. Too bad Unscom had already proven there was no need for the invasion.
And Bush thought he could get away with it? How about a simple “I’m sorry”?
Repugs == Retards
November 13th, 2005 at 9:29 pmImpeach Bush NOW!
You better hide under the bed GOI…Ryan and I are coming to getcha! LOL!
November 13th, 2005 at 9:30 pmRyanSusan CIA McNeat
I don’t say you’re CIA, you do.
You remind of a man
November 13th, 2005 at 9:31 pmWhat man?
The man with the power
What power?
The power of voodoo
Who do?
You do
I do what?
REmind me of a man
No outing me on the Blogs!
November 13th, 2005 at 9:32 pmAnd you wonder why “freedom is about to burst wide open?”
November 13th, 2005 at 9:33 pmMe thinks God is growing weary of our Noisome and Restless ways.
Ryan/Susan
You both suck. Cause all you do is shut people down when they say anything you don’t like.
If you’re not CIA, you both should be, cause you don’t BELIEVE (ALA FAIZ) in free speech, that’s for sure
November 13th, 2005 at 9:33 pmYou remind me of a sissy GOI.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:34 pmBe STILL , My people!
November 13th, 2005 at 9:34 pmGOD!
Wow. The trolls see fit to defend the immorality of this Administration?
Repugs == Retards
And they suck (Jeff Gannon, anyone?)
November 13th, 2005 at 9:35 pmHey Ryan – are you a paranoid supercilious poofter?
No wait – we know the answer to that one!
November 13th, 2005 at 9:35 pmSusan
November 13th, 2005 at 9:35 pmYou remind me of an asshole
You remind me of an asshole
November 13th, 2005 at 9:35 pmRyan
What are you talking about? What?
You are insane. clearly. you and susan need to get off the blog and let people talk, what is your problem?>
November 13th, 2005 at 9:37 pmI’d rather be an asshole than a whole ass GOI.
If the world were an ass, you’d be a hemmoroid.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:38 pmSusan
November 13th, 2005 at 9:38 pmYou are an idiot.
Get off the blog! Whaaaaaa!
November 13th, 2005 at 9:38 pmRyan CIA
Crap all night? I started about 30minutes ago, and all i get is your bullshit. you and susan attacking what, you don’t even know what you’re attacking.
You two or one, are like a bulldog who’s hungry for some meat.
Go away somewhere and let people talk. Christ Almighty
November 13th, 2005 at 9:39 pmI think he’s trippin. He sees CIA agents.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:40 pmRyan/Susan
November 13th, 2005 at 9:41 pmDo you have a life
I get on here maybe once a week and you two are like green flies on a dead hawk. You don’t waste a second to attack for no reason. I mean what is your problem.
Bush lied. And now wants to cover his tracks.
Trolls who love him so quickly ignore Cheney’s role in cherry picking the “evidence”. They ignore Colin Powell’s own words on the topic. They ignore Rumsfeld’s complete arrogance on where and when WMD would be found. They ignore Chalabi and his lying sack of s**t mouth that gave BushCo what they were looking for.
I’m still waiting to see the flowers that US soldiers were supposed to be handed when the “liberated” Iraq.
Let us not forget that 63% of Iraqis supported the US occupation _until_ Abu Ghraib. Now only 9% support the US in Iraq.
Isn’t it time to call a spade a spade? Isn’t it time to support our troops and to bring them home? Or do the trolls feel the need to sit on top of the second largest oil field on the planet so they can continue to fuel their SUVs, or whatever sack-o-s**t they drive?
November 13th, 2005 at 9:42 pmMy mission in life. Put all republicans in jail. A worthy cause I think.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:42 pmRyan/Susan
For Christ sake
Let people say something without you two horning in with some bullshit response
Fine, we all know you love Clinton, and parts of the CIA are fine.
OK great. So now back off, and let people talk.
You think everyone who doesn’t agree with you is the enemy?
November 13th, 2005 at 9:43 pmTrolls projecting their own fears and hates. It’s not even funny.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:45 pmRyan CIA NEat
Ok, let’s get down to some real points –
You say international sanctions are ok -
So what do you ahve to say about the fact that the sanctions during the 1990s resulted in the deaths of millions of Iraqi children?
November 13th, 2005 at 9:45 pmDid you guys hear Condi today? She says its deplorable that Irans President said Israel should be wiped off the map.
Hey Condi, saying is not as bad as doing. Ask any Iraqi you moron.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:46 pmI’ll answer, GOI, another lie. Show me the bodies of these so called millions of children.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:47 pmRyan CIA Neat
November 13th, 2005 at 9:47 pmDo you condone the deaths of millions of Iraqi children because they occurred under Bush 1 and Clinton’s sanctions?
#14
“The Democrats are lying, they are not pursuing the truth. They undermine the troops with their lies.”
Nice talking point. Doesn’t make it true though.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:48 pmI’ve been out of town. No time to read. Can someone tell me why the general public is unaware of PNAC and it’s members?
November 13th, 2005 at 9:48 pmHey GOIter, are you getting off on watching Iraqi children die in the streets of Iraq?
November 13th, 2005 at 9:48 pmRyan CIA Neat
November 13th, 2005 at 9:49 pmDo you condone the deaths of millions of Iraqi children because they occurred under Bush 1 and Clinton’s sanctions?
Ryan – too much meth tonight?
“My mission in life. Put all republicans in jail. A worthy cause I think. ”
So the “we can help with your credit problems!” scam is just a sideline for you? How much spam do you and your charming-I’m-sure husband churn out?
I hope – for the childrens’ sake – that the picture of you in a classroom is merely staged and not indicative of your vocation because Lord help any children that have to listen to your hateful tripe.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:50 pm“My mission in life. Put all republicans in jail. A worthy cause I think. †Thank you for your support tomaig.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:51 pmIt seems absurd to have to provide these links, seemingly Ryan and Susan would know about this, but perhaps THinkProgress is not reallyh what it pretends to be. Perhaps it is a CIA/Bush front
http://www.geocities.com/iraqinfo/sanctions/sanctions.html
November 13th, 2005 at 9:54 pmhttp://www.casi.org.uk/
http://www.scn.org/ccpi/
Ryan CIA Neat
Do you condone the deaths of millions of Iraqi children because they occurred under Bush 1 and Clinton’s sanctions?
x
November 13th, 2005 at 9:56 pmI don’t read links from neocon sites but thanks for your efforts GOIter.
tomaig, thanks again, just got 52 hits to my site. Thanks for bringing it to everyones attention.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:56 pmRyan CIA Neat
Do you condone the deaths of millions of Iraqi children because they occurred under Bush 1 and Clinton’s sanctions?
y
November 13th, 2005 at 9:57 pmRyan CIA Neat
Answer the question
Do you condone the deaths of millions of Iraqi children because they occurred under Bush 1 and Clinton’s sanctions?
z
November 13th, 2005 at 9:58 pmHey GOIter, show me the bodies of these so called millions of children. To date our soldiers havent found them, go to Iraq and photograph them for us. We’d appreciate your efforts.
November 13th, 2005 at 9:58 pmAnswer the freakin question
you gutless swine
Do you condone the deaths of millions of Iraqi children because they occurred under Bush 1 and Clinton’s sanctions?
OR are you just like Madeleine Allbright
November 13th, 2005 at 9:59 pmGo to Iraq you scumbag then Ryan will answer your question.
November 13th, 2005 at 10:00 pmAnswer the freakin question –
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.”
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 10:00 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Ryan Susan Neat CIA
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 10:01 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Well i guess that proves that Ryan and Susan are gutless swine.
THey hurl insults,
demand proof,
and when presented with proof
they disappear.
Just like good Hitler youth.
November 13th, 2005 at 10:16 pmThe war wasn’t about freeing Iraq. If so, why don’t we attack most of the Muslim World and the dictatorship of China. Iraq was “an imminent threat” or so they said.
November 13th, 2005 at 10:21 pmAndy
November 13th, 2005 at 10:23 pmwhat’s the question?
GOI Stupidity revealed, Ryan is currently not at the computer. had to get a pain reliever.
November 13th, 2005 at 10:24 pmHow Can Ryan answer?
Dummy.
blabla
If you have nothing to say other than to report on Ryan’s bathroom activities then screw off
otherwise – Answer the question
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 10:25 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
blabla
come on, it’s obvious you are ryan, and you are susan
so either answer the question or give it up
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 10:28 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Susan and Ryan have gone to sleep or are waiting in the wings
they seem to be ever present – the two riding each other like waves – chiming in, supportive, equally stupid admittedly but then what can you do about siblings
but they still refuse to answer the question
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 10:35 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
And i will keep asking that question of people like Ryan and Susan and anyone who believes in any of the candidates from either major party
I will continue to ask the questions that need to be asked because my son’s life is on the line
So screw you ryan and susan
you want to silence me, just like the Bushies want to silence me,
but i won’t be silenced, no matter what you say or do
i will speak out till my last dying breath
and i will ask the question
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 10:37 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Ryan Neat/Susan
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Comment by Guardian of Indifference — November
November 13th, 2005 at 10:48 pmyou want to silence me, just like the Bushies want to silence me,
but i won’t be silenced, no matter what you say or do
Talk about two tongue stupidity, I guess you didnt realize that Ryan,Susan, and Myself are Fighting against Busheviks??
November 13th, 2005 at 10:48 pmExactly Whos side are YOU on?
I cant make heads or tails out of you.
blabla
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Comment by Guardian of Indifference — November
November 13th, 2005 at 10:49 pmblabla
I’m on no one’s side. Certainly not on Ryan Neat or Susan of the attack, hurl insults and malign crowd. And i’m not on your side.
I’m on my side. i’m on my son’s side. i’m on the side of truth.
so screw george sr and jr., bill, hilary, condi, madeleine, rummy, dick and the lot of them. send them all to gitmo
November 13th, 2005 at 10:52 pmAnd blabla
if you think fighting against the busheviks requires that you silence people that don’t agree with you, you are dead wrong
November 13th, 2005 at 10:53 pmThis is romper room
Ryan Neat and Susan and blabla get to beat up on people who don’t agree with them, or him
and then when finally someone stands up to him instead of just going away, he – Ryan/Susan/blabal goes away and hides and pretends
this is silly, childish nonsense
and i[’m surprised that thinkprogress allows this behavior
but
November 13th, 2005 at 10:57 pmi guess there aren’t many people with guts nowadays, and certainly no one running this blog
Ryan Neat
Answer the question
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 10:59 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Ryan and Susan
Answer the question
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:00 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Answer the question
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:01 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Ryan Neat
I’m asking you mofo
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:02 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Ryan Neat
I’m going to keep asking you this question
TOday, tomorrow, and everytime your sorry ass is on this blog and you spout your sorry assed bs about freedom – and every time you refuse to answer you prove that you are a fraud. So get used to it.
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:04 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Ryan
Answer the question
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:07 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Ryan
I hate gitmo as much as i hate the sanctions as much as i hate this war.
don’t give me your sanctimonious bs
ANSWER THE QUESTION
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:09 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Ryan
You’re the worst kind of intellectual – you’re a coward
you pretend to care about lives, but you only care about your ideas
Answer the question
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:10 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Ryan
You can’t and you won’t answer the question because yhou have no guts. you’re a moral fraud.
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:12 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Ryan
If you answer the question as you say you did days ago, what was your answer? You’re just like Bush et al, you spin and lie to cover your cowardice.
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:13 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Ryan
November 13th, 2005 at 11:14 pmYou should be banned
O.K. you guys, break! The bell has rung! Go to your corners and wait for the bell!
November 13th, 2005 at 11:17 pmRyan
November 13th, 2005 at 11:18 pmObviously you know nothing about the sanctions
Yet you call people traitors who do.
You are the worst kind of propagandist, you are an ignorant propagandist. At least learn something about what you are lying about.
http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/sanctions/t11iraq.pdf
Ryan
November 13th, 2005 at 11:19 pmYou think this is about Bill Clinton
Well maybe it is for you. Maybe that’s where you get paid.
YOu hog up this blog with your propagandist crap, while people are trying to discuss issues, real issues, and you won’t let them.
You are like the soviet comintern, or the Bush talking points
take your pick, you are part of them’
Hey dano 27 whatever
November 13th, 2005 at 11:21 pmwhy don’t try to contribute somethign to the debate
and try to make it a debate
ryan has done everything he could along with his shadow susan to stifle any debate
and i hung in there
and i will continue to hang in there
and then you come in and tell everyone to quiet to quiet down
well what do you have to offer
huh?
GOI, I ,ll answer your Question!
November 13th, 2005 at 11:23 pmNOT NO BUT HELL NO!1
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS WHEN DID THIS WHOLE SANCTION BUISNESS STARTED ANYWAYS?
THE RICH HAVE BEEN SANCTIONING THE POOR ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF CREATION, FOOL!
THE EYGPTIANS SANCTIONED THE HEBREW SLAVES, GOD SANTIONED ADAM AND EVE FROM EATING FROM THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE, THOUGH THEY ATE FROM IT ANYWAYS, SANCTIONS ARE NOTHING BUT ANOTHER SADISTIC IMMORAL PUNITIVE ACTION TAKEN FROM ONE PERSON TO ANOTHER, MOMS AND DADS SANCTION THIER KIDS WHEN THIER KIDS ARE MISBEHAVING. TWEACHERS SANCTION STUDENTS WHO DONT COMPLETE THIER ASSIGNED WORK, BOSSES SANCTION POOR EMPLOY PERFORMANCE. AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE SANCTION PRISONERS. BUT TO SANCTION POOR NATIONS IN ORDER FOR THE RICH TO CAPITALIZE IS IMMORAL!
And Ryan
answer the question
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
AND IF YOU DON’T ANSWer THE QUEStoin
November 13th, 2005 at 11:23 pmthen YOU ARE THE DISGRACE
BlaBlabla
November 13th, 2005 at 11:25 pmWhat is your answer? No? But…. you make excuses for what? for employers..? for poor people? it’s not clear…sorry dude but you are not coming through and maybe it’s because YOU DON’T HAVE THE GUTS TO ANSWER HONESTLY
so you start babbling about how people have been poor since the beginning of time, so that gets everyone off the hook, you’re pathetic
damm im glad to get that out.
November 13th, 2005 at 11:26 pmDO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:27 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
x
November 13th, 2005 at 11:28 pmYou can’t answer the question dude
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:29 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
appearantly, You did NOT read the entire msg. the answer is at the end of the msg.
November 13th, 2005 at 11:29 pmFOOL!
You are NOT as SMART AS YOU THINK YOU ARE GOI, GOD DOES HAVE PLANS
You haven’t yet answer the question = YES or NO?
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:30 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
What is the answer? Yes or NO?
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:30 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Yes or NO?
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:31 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Take a stand mofo
As they said in the day
Up against the wall mofo
What is your answer?
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:31 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
I’ll ask bush
i’ll ask bill
I’ll ask hilary
i’ll ask condi
i’ll ask cheney
i’ll ask every mofo in the universe
and right now i’m asking YOU
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:33 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Madeleine Albright was a senile old hag holding an all to important office position . I wouldnt be surprised if she had alzheimers
November 13th, 2005 at 11:33 pmYes or No?
November 13th, 2005 at 11:34 pmso, whats YOUR point GOI?
November 13th, 2005 at 11:35 pmDid you agree with Madeleine Albright?
ANSWER THE QUESTION!
Ryan
You refuse to give your answer. So you ahve an answer, but you’re too embarrassed to say what it is.
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:35 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Did I not answer you?
November 13th, 2005 at 11:36 pmYES OR NO , GOI?????????
November 13th, 2005 at 11:37 pmBACK AT YOU , STUPID RETARD!
Ryan
You know what the answer. The answer is that Allbright was wrong. Morally, legally, ethically, WRONG
And you don’t have the courage, or the ethics, or the morals to say that
November 13th, 2005 at 11:37 pmAnswer the question The question WILL NEVER GO AWAY
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:38 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
I answered you question – can you deal with it?
November 13th, 2005 at 11:39 pmI don’t defend this war. I’m against this war. Unlike you I was against it before it started, and unlike you I want total withdrawal now.
Unlike you, I have morals
answer the question
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:39 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Still waitin’ O’ guardian!
November 13th, 2005 at 11:40 pmRyan
You’re like the intellectuals you debate the morals of torture
You are neither an intellectual nor moral
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:41 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
GOI, Your copy and paste is getting tiresome, why cant you WRITE SOMETHING LOGICAL, AND STOP THE CUTTING AND PASTING ALL THE TIME!!!
November 13th, 2005 at 11:41 pmCAT GOT YOUR TONGUE, OR ARE YOU JUST TOO LAZY?
Ryan
You are the lunatic.
Answer the question. If you ahve any integrity, answer it. Yes or No
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:42 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Ryan
You are without integrity
You are a disease on the anti-war movement
Hopefully your are merely an aberration supported by this blog
Until the next time, when I will continue to ask you to answer the question’
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:43 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
I AGREE, all he does is copy and paste the same crap over and over,, His son must be GLAD to get away from him.
November 13th, 2005 at 11:45 pmBahaha
don’t you mean BWHAHA i think that’s the real you
answer the question
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:45 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Answer the question
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 13th, 2005 at 11:45 pm–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
But… he mentioned Bush and Condi! Doesn’t that show how non-partisan he is? Do you always pull that “I’m on my side. i’m on my son’s side. i’m on the side of truth” stuff whenever your ass is hanging out?
November 13th, 2005 at 11:46 pmSounds like he is PROWAR if you ak me.
November 13th, 2005 at 11:46 pmYou are like the Bushies
You spin and won’t answer questions
Ryan, you’d be a good candidate for Scott McClellans’ job
November 13th, 2005 at 11:46 pmand blabla
November 13th, 2005 at 11:47 pmyou;d just be a good gopher
blabla
November 13th, 2005 at 11:48 pmmaybe gopher was too high brow
ass kisser would be better
Ryan
November 13th, 2005 at 11:48 pmYou’re anti war
Really
hard to believe
are you for withdrawal now?
who is bwhaha? foll.
November 13th, 2005 at 11:49 pmblablablabla, thats all you are goi- geeky old idiot.
He’s just such a cheesy little dork. I punked him once, and now he won’t answer. It must be a slow night in freeperville
November 13th, 2005 at 11:49 pmRyan
again you won’t answer
are YOU FOR WITHDRAWAL NOW?
November 13th, 2005 at 11:50 pmSIMPLE QUESTION
yOU SAY YOU ARE ANTI WAR?
How so?
November 13th, 2005 at 11:51 pmWithdrawal now? withdrawal later? troop expansion? what?
what the freak is your positionh?
Im for sending goi to warfront, let his son come home.
November 13th, 2005 at 11:52 pmWhat is your position on being anti-war? you say your anti-war? what does that mean?
I’m for total withdrawal now
what’s your position?
November 13th, 2005 at 11:52 pmAgain you won’t answer
November 13th, 2005 at 11:53 pmAttack on Bush
November 13th, 2005 at 11:55 pmI hate Bush
What do you want to hear. I’ll send you 100 links on Bush, he sucks, he’s a fascists, he’s skull and bones, he’s in with the oil companies, he thinks he talks to god,
NOW
DO YOU FAVOR WITHDRAWAL FROM IRAQ? can you answer that
I am too for TOTAL WITHDRAWAL!
November 13th, 2005 at 11:55 pmI WAS AGAINST THE WAR BEFORE IT EVER STARTED.
GOI, Your are confusing.
WHOS SIDE ARE YOU ON
No i am not confusing, you are confusing
I hate the clintons as much as i hate the bushies
that’s where YOU get confused
November 13th, 2005 at 11:57 pmRyan
November 13th, 2005 at 11:58 pmYou demand that i post relevant threads
You ahve NEVER posted a relevant thread except under dire circumstances
grow up
I heard condi was trying to discourage bush from early withdrawel. Later, they talked about Iraq.
November 13th, 2005 at 11:59 pmRYAN
November 14th, 2005 at 12:00 amRyan
Then we can agree on one thing
We are both for total withdrawal
But i think the clintons are just as responsible for the iraq war and the deaths of countless as are the hated bushies
that’s where we differ
so STOP trying to control what people think
because I don’t agree with you on the clintons and alot of people dont’ and the more you try to belittle and attack and insult, the less effective you are, especdially when you won’t even answer the queston
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 14th, 2005 at 12:00 am–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Ryan
All you’ve seen me post is about clinton because all you ever care about is about clinton – you are seeing your own reflection in your dark mirror
I don’t give a rats ass about clinton and i hope and pray that bush is impeached and put in jail, but as long as there are people like you who attack anyone with a difference of opinion, we haven’t got a hope in hell. you are the worst enemy of freedom
November 14th, 2005 at 12:04 amSmooth Beavers Against Bush.
That is my new movement. So ladies, grab your shaving cream razors and vote with your whisker biscuits.
-GSD
November 14th, 2005 at 12:04 amBowdler — says its time to change subject. I think he is right.
November 14th, 2005 at 12:05 amGOI is distracting.
I NEVER LIKED CONDI, HOW IN THE WORLD DID SHE GET A POSITION LIKE THAT?
SHES SUCH AN AIRHEAD!
Blabla
Answer the question, moral coward
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 14th, 2005 at 12:06 am–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Because it’s all you care about. All you care about is Clinton. THat’s it. YOu will overlook any lie, any atrocity, for Clinton.
It’s your problem. And you still won’t answer the question
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 14th, 2005 at 12:08 am–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Ryan
YOur kind are dangerous. YOu believe in the man. ANy man. Any one man. That’s your problem.
You don’t get it. YOu don’t understand the truth of the situation. Any man, any woman, could do the same things becuase power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and that’s what you don’t understand. Yeah bill might be a nice guy. But it doesn’t mean much when you’re deciding matters of life and death.
and you still can;t answer the question
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 14th, 2005 at 12:10 am–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
. you are the worst enemy of freedom Comment by Guardian of Indifference
November 14th, 2005 at 12:12 amNOW I KNOW WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM TROLL!!!
WELL GUESS WHAT SUCKER!
YOUR GREAT FREEDOM BUBBLE IS GOING TO BURST WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!
THERE IS NOTHING, AND I MEAN NOTHING THAT CAN STOP FREEDOM FROM EXPLODING!!
DUMB TWIRP!
GET A GRIP, WILL YA, YOU ARE GONNA DIE WHETHER YOU LIKE THAT OR NOT, MAYBE NOT TODAY, MAYBE NOT TOMORROW, BUT SOME DAY, YOU WILL DIE!
Ryan
November 14th, 2005 at 12:13 amYou will never win the war of words. You will always lose because you have no words except insults. You are a little man with a big ego. Unfortunately young mens lives are dependent on little men like you. And so when hilary or condi or whoever the power elite chose becomes president and they widen the war and bring in the draft and my son is killed, all i’ll remember is people like you who insulted and attacked, but never addressed the real issues because you had no guts.
GOI,
November 14th, 2005 at 12:14 amJUST BE PREPARED TO TELL YOUR JESUS THAT YOU ARE SORRY, AND JUST MAYBE HE WONT SEND YOU TO HELL!
in other words , goi, be at peace inside of yourself, quit beating yourself up!
And Ryan
I’m older than you and i know more than you do about the evil that men can do, so don’t talk down to me and call me a whacko and whatever else oyu choose
it rolls off me, i was called a whacko when i protested the vietnam war, and i was called a wacko when i protested this war, and you call me a whacko, and i lump youo in with the rest of the fascists who can’t be honest about their positions.
November 14th, 2005 at 12:16 amRyan
To quote u
“you’re an idiot”
November 14th, 2005 at 12:17 amHow do you know how old i am? you made the comment first. This is so like you. you attack and then you can’t stand it when your attacks are turned against you.
GROW UP AND ANSWER THE QUESTION
‘
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 14th, 2005 at 12:19 am–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
GOI, from the evidence Ryan puts forward, Clinton ameliorated a humanitarian crisis by going along with OFF. People died but less than if bush 1s sanctions were left to stand. Does anybody remember bush 1 encouraging a revoltion and then turning his back when the shiites and kurds were slaughtered. Could w have believed they would welcome us.
November 14th, 2005 at 12:19 amAnswer the question. A simple yes or no will do
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
November 14th, 2005 at 12:20 am–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
Yes or no Ryan. I know it’s hard to have something beyond ideology, but think, try to think in the real world, and try to answer the question.
November 14th, 2005 at 12:21 amOK i’ll make it easier
Why won’t you answer the question?
November 14th, 2005 at 12:22 amYou think the only questions about the iraq sanctions come from the right? THe right loved the sanctions. Bill was doing their dirty work for them. Come on.
You’re not worth it. You’re so lame. And this blog is so lame.
November 14th, 2005 at 12:23 amRyan = Coward
November 14th, 2005 at 12:24 amRyan = moral apologist for genocide who hides behind political party to avoid dealing with it
November 14th, 2005 at 12:25 amthis is so easy
if this is what thinkprogress has to offer then
think progress is nothing mroe than a front for the rightwing democrats who are pro-war and very corrupt – so good luck to you young ryan stupido who believes in bill and hilary
i hope they pay you well
November 14th, 2005 at 12:26 amRyan
War and sanctions are no different, they are both crimes, it is you who make the difference
I say the sanctions were wrong and the war is wrong
what say you???
November 14th, 2005 at 12:27 amWhat say you cowardly Ryan?
Are sanctions Ok?
and war wrong?
I say they are both wrong
November 14th, 2005 at 12:28 amwhat say you?
What say you man?
Sanctions good?
War bad?
Sanctions bad?
war good?
Sanctions bad?
War bad?
You choose
November 14th, 2005 at 12:30 amGOI, HE DID ANSWER THE QUESTION
November 14th, 2005 at 12:30 amSo you say sanctions were good?
That’s all i’m asking
I’m asking for an opinoin
which you won’t give
instead you attack, you insult
but you won’t state your position
and now I think you have
you’ve said
sanctions are good
OK let’s leave it at that
that’s all i wanted dude
jsut for you to state a freakin position instead of waffling all over the place. you need to watch that. it doesn’t do much for your credibility
November 14th, 2005 at 12:32 amI agree with a nearlier post that stated our true goal was to establish a massive military presence in the middle east. Our nations delicate 9-11 psyche was used to further this aim. The administration intnetionally led us into this war on false premises. Wolfowitz, who proposed attacking Iraq as early as 9-12-1, was quoted as saying they chose to sell the war along wmd lines. The part I find most humorous though is when bush walked around in the yard doing some soul searching prior to declaring war. Thes guys lie so consistently and on so many levels.
November 14th, 2005 at 12:32 amit’s like pulling teeth to get you moral cowards to take a position
shameful
you’re big on insults
but short on position
November 14th, 2005 at 12:33 amOh MAN, GOI, ARE YOU REALLY, Bill O’Reilly ??????
November 14th, 2005 at 12:34 amBECAUSE YOU SURE ARE STARTING TO SOUND ALOT LIKE HIM.
blabla
November 14th, 2005 at 12:37 amThat’s good, when you ahve nothing to offer of your own, insult – that is the O’reilly factor and you’ve learned it well
DO YOU THINK THE PRICE WAS WORTH IT?
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
x
November 14th, 2005 at 12:39 amIf you are any example of democrats we are lost.
November 14th, 2005 at 12:40 amGOI
November 14th, 2005 at 12:40 amGOI answer me this do you think it is right to torture felow human beings? Do you think its right to lie a nation into a war? Huh huh huh do you huh?
November 14th, 2005 at 12:41 amGOI, YOU ARE ON THE WRONG THREAD. YOUR THREAD IS THREE MORE DOWN. THE Bill O’Reilly THREAD!
November 14th, 2005 at 12:43 amGOI WATCHES TO MUCH Bill O’Reilly .
November 14th, 2005 at 12:56 amGOI DOES NOT THINK FOR HIMSELF. UNLESS HE IS Bill O’Reilly .
bla,
I know. These clinton haters are the craziest of he crazies. The man’s not in office anymore, and he was one of the best presidents this country has ever had. He was caring, and compassionate, and it was Clinton who acted to protect poor iraqis from the effects of sanctions. GOI is a liar, a freak and a moron.
November 14th, 2005 at 12:58 amI just remembered zarqaui. bush had the chance to kill that asshole before the war but chose not to do it. zarquai as he stood was “proof” that iraq had alqida links. Even though he was in the northern no fly zone. He was more valuable to the selling of the war alive than dead. Now look at how amny people he has killed.
November 14th, 2005 at 12:59 amgoi CONTRADICTS HIMSELF TOO MUCH!
November 14th, 2005 at 12:59 amGOI- GEEKY OLD GEEZER. ARE YOU BY CHANCE IN A NURSING HOME?
OK, TIME OUT, ITS TIME FOR ME TO GO BACK THROUGH THIS ENTIRE THREAD AND READ IT. ADTER THAT , OFF TO BED I GO. UNLIKE BUSH, I WILL NOT COMPLAIN FOR LACK OF SLEEP. GDNITE, AND PEACE, PEACE , PEACE BE WIT YOU. SHOULD WE NOT WAKE UP, JUST REMEMBER ONE THING,
November 14th, 2005 at 1:05 amJESUS QOUTED” I AM WHO I AM.
SO DID GOD. I AM SORRY.
And GOI,
Just so you know, your friends on fair should get their facts straight – your anti free trade zealots love propaganda it would seem.
“When asked about this remark in 2005 Albright said “I never should have made it, it was stupid”, but she still supported the concept of tailored sanctions.
GOI demostrates that a zealot is a zealot no matter what they claim as their ‘affiliation’.
November 14th, 2005 at 1:05 amBowdler,
That was terribly ON-Topic, GOI won’t approve. It only focused on the failures of the CURRENT administration :)
November 14th, 2005 at 1:06 am#223
“and then when finally someone stands up to him instead of just going away”
Apparently you are new here. Our trolls never go away. They are always like a pimple on or asses. Very annoying. None of these trolls ever leave. They stay and like little yappy dogs with there little tiny teeth, with a yip yip. Run away and hide way of posting.
So, learn about the site before you start telling regulars how it’s gonna be.
You are but a n00b troll.
November 14th, 2005 at 1:15 amSpudge,
GOI isn’t accustomed to an ‘open’ blog, his first statements were calling for ‘banning’ while saying we should allow other voices to be heard. He’s a typical schizophrenic fascist personality. He wants to be heard, but he wants to censor anyone he disagrees with. It’s a completely cognitive disconnect.
He’s tied to a marxist organization, and ironically most marxist implementations are ‘totalitarian’ which is a rightwing political bent, not a left wing one. Most people don’t realize that EVERY communist state that has existed is a rightwing government with leftist economic policies. If the countries were leftist politically, they’d be democracies and not totalitarianistic.
It’s ironic how people who think of themselves as leftist, are often rightwings politically. It’s really whacked.
November 14th, 2005 at 1:22 amAnd GOI,
To answer your stpuid question:
“Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.â€
I would be happy to the evidence that backs up this assessment of half a million children. If it is true, it would be that bad guy Saddam Hussein’s fault for not complying with the UN Weapons Inspectors being aloud back into the country. That is why UN Sanctions were placed on Iraq.
But, Saddam did let the UN back in to do inspections, which turned up nothing. You know the IAEA, led my Nobel Prize winner Mohamed ElBaradei. The IAEA came out and said that the famous “aluminum tubes” would not be of the correct type to be used in centrifuges.
But, we invaded anyways.
November 14th, 2005 at 1:24 amHAVE NOT you YET learned that THE PARTIES in POWER are COLLUDING. The Democrats, the Republican, and The Neo-Cons, and their RIIA, CFR,TC, ALL are WORKING towards the GOAL of HAVING the CITIZENS of the WORLD PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE to THE UNITED NATIONS in order to CREATE a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.
THIS PLAN has been in Effect for 40 years. THE Major MEDIA outlets are ALSO part of the RIIA,CFR,TC and other such Groups under the GUISE of Spreading DEMOCRACY.
The ULTIMATE goal Though is World RULE, EXCEPT our Leaders ARE TOO STUPID or too POWER hungry to CARE about you and me.
http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/cfr.html
Once AGAIN, you HAVE fallen BACK into the REPUBLICAN VS DEMOCRAT MODE. Forget that.
I think the REPUBLICANS here as WELL as the Independents and the Democrats Would not MUCH care to PLEDGE allegiance to KOFFEE ANNAN.
WE will never SUCCEED as a PROGRESSIVE group until Those DROP Their BIASES and quit getting Sucked into the SAME NHL MENTALITY.
DID WE not ESTABLISH the FACT that NEO-CONS are RADICAL DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS?
DID NOT CLINTON PUSH NAFTA?
BUSH with CAFTA?
LOOK at the Big Picture of How our rights have been Dwindled Down over the Years.
or As I Say
WAKE THE F**K UP!!
“The CFR is the American Branch of a society which originated in England, and which believes that national boundaries should be obliterated, and a one-world rule established.”
Rear Admiral Chester Ward, a former member of the Cfr for 16 years, warned the American people of the organization’s intentions:
“The most powerful clique in these elitist groups have one objective in common — they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereingty of the national independence of the United States. A second clique of international members in the CFR comprises the Wall Street international bankers and their key agents. Primarily, they want the world banking monopoly from whatever power ends up in the control of global government.”
November 14th, 2005 at 3:38 amCongressmen John R. Rarick had warned:
“The CFR, dedicated to one-world government, financed by a number of the largest tax-exempt foundations, and wielding such power and influence over our lives in the areas of finance, business, labor, military, education, and mass communication-media, should be familiar to every American concerned with good government, and with preserving and defending the U.S. Constitution and our free-enterprise system. Yet, the nation’s right-to-know machinery, the news media, usually so aggressive in exposures to inform our people, remain conspicuously silent when it comes to the CFR, its members and their activities.
November 14th, 2005 at 3:42 amhttp://www.taxwisdom.org/republican_nemesis.htm
“FWIW, If the Democrats truly understood the information in this James Kroeger editorial, I no doubt they would have taken both the White House and the Congress in 2004.
Democrats will most likely not win again until they do understand it…”
November 14th, 2005 at 6:45 amThere’s facts and then there’s what Bushies say
Think Progress, once again, debunks more Republican talking points trying to mitigate the responsibility of this administrations handling of intelligence in the run-up to the Iraq quagmireÂ… Damn those pesky facts and historical records. It makes it s…
November 14th, 2005 at 7:32 amGenocide is none of America’s concern, unless America is prepetrating it, which it often does. If genocide is taking place in the world, and it always is, it’s a matter for the UN. You may not like that, Guardian of Idiocy, but who really gives a shit what you like,
November 14th, 2005 at 7:42 amHe’s tied to a marxist organization, and ironically most marxist implementations are ‘totalitarian’ which is a rightwing political bent, not a left wing one. Most people don’t realize that EVERY communist state that has existed is a rightwing government with leftist economic policies. If the countries were leftist politically, they’d be democracies and not totalitarianistic.
It’s ironic how people who think of themselves as leftist, are often rightwings politically. It’s really whacked.
Comment by Ryan “Liar” Neat
Ryan would like people to believe that left is right, up is down and that he really doesn’t enjoy being a rump ranger. Everything Ryan says is a lie. He wasn’t born homosexual, his dyke mother did that to him but he was born a liar.
November 14th, 2005 at 9:51 amIRI, you are just ridiculous and anger no one but yourself. Peddle your sexual frustration elsewhere.
November 14th, 2005 at 10:09 amBTW, you do understand that Ryan laughs his ass off everytime he gets you to post such stupidity.
IRI, you have been punk’d!
November 14th, 2005 at 10:12 amLIKE I SAID BEFORE:
November 14th, 2005 at 10:38 amTHAT FREEDOM BUBBLE EVERYBODY BUILT UP AROUND THEMSELVES IS ABOUT TO “BURSTâ€
“Learning without thought is labor lost; thought without learning is perilous.â€
Confucius !
BUSH IS REALLY WORKING HARD ON HIS HUMONGUS BIG “FREEDOM BUBBLEâ€!
Its gonna Burst, I tell ya.
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November 14th, 2005 at 10:46 amBTW, you do understand that Ryan laughs his ass off everytime he gets you to post such stupidity.
IRI, you have been punk’d!
Comment by progressive and proud
Don’t be silly little girl. Ryan is to eaten up with hate and various diseases of the anus to be laughing his ass or anything else off. Besides, nothing I write is stupid, it’s just that your perception of truth and the difference between right and wrong like Ryan’s, is totally ass backwards. That’s why you’re a loser.
November 14th, 2005 at 10:47 amThis week’s issue:
With the U.S. military’s death toll now exceeding 2,000 in Iraq thanks to the worst month for the U.S. fatalities since January, is your support for the war waning?
You responded:
I am so very proud of our military and the wonderful things they are doing for the Iraqi people. The people of Iraq, I truly believe, want to have the same freedoms that we have. It is so sad to lose a loved one in a war, but I keep thinking about the most costly war that has ever been fought. That was when we fought ourselves in the Civil War. It is written that if you put all of the lives lost in all of the wars we have fought in, it would not exceed the number of deaths in the Civil war.
I support our military our president and our nation under God. God bless our soldiers.
Sandy Buckmaster, Temple
The main reason support for our soldiers in Iraq is declining is the constant drumbeat of criticism from the left-leaning media. The New York Times, for example, has been anti-soldier for a long time.
Their last disgusting act was to heavily edit a letter from a Marine killed in Iraq to show he did not support his country When the entire letter was published, the exact opposite feeling was revealed.
It is a bad thing when any soldier dies. It is an act of cowardice to twist his words to make a sick political point.
James Ralston, via e-mail
My support for the war has never been there, and we’re now seeing that we should never have started this in the first place. Intelligence was altered, people lied and now our troops are dying. We’re in another Vietnam in the fact that the constant resistance will cause us to eventually pull out, anyway.
The country is not adaptable to our type of democracy and will end up in internal war, anyway What a waste of lives and dollars.
Craig A. Chambers, via e-mail
Someone will have to answer as to why the poor are poor and impoverished. I have a feeling America will have to answer that call. America is not helping matters in Afghanistan or Iraq. America is hurting what matters. The rich (do not care) if you die protecting their freedoms or not. Take that to the bank.
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November 14th, 2005 at 10:50 amWhat is with the perversion, dude? What is your major damage? What kind of adult still says rump ranger? Please, when you post garbage like that, you are being made fun of. I’m guessing, not the first time or you wouldn’t have such a fixation. Would it help if I told you size didn’t matter or looks don’t count? Will that suffice?
Where did this problem you have start? Was it childhood? Is this just the way you talk with your family? Is this the way you talk with your friends? Or do you just save it up and keep your true feelings inside until you get to post here and relieve the tension? Are you using us for some freak satisfaction?
GET HELP. This is not a sexual site. Most of us here get what we need sexually from people in person.
And, yes, you were punk’d. Problem is, because you feel so insecure, you must think others do to. Sorry, dude, you are wrong.
November 14th, 2005 at 10:57 amRyan,
seixon demostrates why she/he’s a republican, she/he has no reading comprehension or ability to distinguish reality. Being ‘concerned about the possibility’ of iraq possessing weapon technologies is very different than saying the threat is imminent.
Well, I never said the threat was imminent, and neither did the Bush administration. Senator Jay Rockefeller did though. A Democrat. Whoops!
One is a reason for international sanctions, the other is a reason for war. Virtually everyone agreed with the first, and only republican NeoCon fools, and those fed artificial intelligence believed the second.
I never believed Iraq was any imminent threat to the USA, and I have never said so in this thread. So once again you are creating strawmen to add on to the straw house you live in.
So your argument is both a strawman, and a demonstration of your stupidity – but nothing more.
Way to project, since that is exactly what you just demonstrated. I never said any of the things you attributed to me, and you called me a Republican for having said things I never said. How’s that for a strawman?
Zzzz…
November 14th, 2005 at 11:02 amI know you are but what am I? C’mon Seix, you can do better than Pee Wee Herman; can’t you?
November 14th, 2005 at 11:09 amActually, George Bush said that we don’t have to wait for Saddam to be an imminent threat. Pre-pre-emptive war.
From George Bush’s State of the Union Address January 28th, 2003:
” Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option.”
So, we have to attack Saddam before there is even a chance that he is an imminent threat.
GOI, you are retarded and misinformed.
November 14th, 2005 at 11:57 amWhat is with the perversion, dude? What is your major damage? What kind of adult still says rump ranger? Please, when you post garbage like that, you are being made fun of.
Comment by P & P
I should worry that I’m being made fun of by the resident Left Wing Walking Dead Losers? Oh come on, you know I don’t care about that. Anyway, what’s wrong with rump ranger? That’s what they are isn’t it? But hey, if you’ve got some new names for the homosexuals I haven’t heard of I’d give them a try.
November 14th, 2005 at 12:06 pmTo hear the admin say it, that Hussein was one SMART DUDE. I mean, if the man, with a disbled army and no WMD, was able to convince the global community and all the intelligence agencies of the major (and minor) nations of the world that he had WMD (though he didn’t)… well, damn…. the man should get a global academy award for fooling all the intelligence agencies and all the leaders of the the world. Man, he is smart, and we are dumb. …. or are some lies involved in this?…. because he really doesn’t seem THAT smart to me….
November 14th, 2005 at 12:18 pmThe best actors in history are not hollywood type actors. They are politicians.
November 14th, 2005 at 12:19 pmWhy names? Kids come up with names to make fun of people they don’t understand and/or fear. We as adults should use language that more clearly states our case or argument. Synonyms are just a waste of one’s time.
So you don’t care what others think and find the use of gay bashing a politcal tool to further your cause? Do you and your buddies talk about how you hate fags over beers and the game?
November 14th, 2005 at 12:36 pmGOI
November 14th, 2005 at 12:50 pmI don’t normally say this, and the target may not come trolling around again, but GOI – STFU. Let me say it again STFU. You spent a INORDINATE amount of time never adressing the topic of the thread. Say something relevant and substansive or STFU. What the F&&k was all that CIA crap you were spewing? STFU. My God in heaven, you are a lunatic fringe so far to the left that you think you’re right(yeah, you’re a looney leftie – the kind who wants the government to fail – even lefties hate the lunatic lefties like you). STFU, you mindless, zombie, kool-aid guzzling, spelling obsessed (who the F&^k cares how Aill Qckeddah is spelled in a blog, you pathetic, pedantic, obsessive compulsive pinhead), off point, off kilter, out of your gourd, Bush lovin’ (in a Jeff Gannon way), moron.
STFU.
There.
I feel better.
#418 . But hey, if you’ve got some new names for the homosexuals I haven’t heard of I’d give them a try.
November 14th, 2005 at 12:59 pmHere is a new name for you:
I-RIGHT-I ( such a cute faggot name)
# 419.
November 14th, 2005 at 1:07 pmIf Your Nieghbor told you that they are coming over to wage war, And, You knew they has WMDs, Wouldn,t You want them to think that you are not Defenseless and that you had WMDs too?
That, just maybe the nieghbors would just BACK OFF?
for you To understand, One must Think as they would have thought, Right?
Maybe He was just Bluffing , hoping America would back away. Who knows what strange things are going in your nieghbors minds.
#424
November 14th, 2005 at 1:15 pmThat IS exactly what he was doing… he was bluffing his neighbors to try to keep them off his ass. Particularly Iran and Israel. My point is that Bush, the WH, and all thier hardcore “whatever you say” supporters are now claiming as their defence in the issue that, “well, every one else thought so, too…” But the intel facts show the opposite. No one in the global community really believed that Saddam was an imminent threat: that whatever threat he was, it was still resolveable through diplomatic means. The global inteligence community was NOT bluffed by his claims, yet the admin chose to select bits of info while leaving out dissent. They cited CERTAINTY, with no opposing opinion, though there WAS plenty of opposing opinion. If Saddam had actually convinced the entire global community that he had WMD and was ready, able and willing to deliver them it would have been quite an achievement. To claim that he fooled the world ignores the facts and is a claim that the man was a BRILLIANT politician (for, you would have to be to convince the world of what they are claiming they believed).
And why is this the NEW argument? Why does the excuse for the invasion keep shifting? If the original claim was true, then why not stand by it? How many differrent reasons have we been given?
This is a sad, last-ditch effort by Bush & Co. to point the finger somewhere else. And it shows. Bush is sunk, and for that he can only point the finger in one place, at himself. It’s another sad day for this country thanks to him.
November 14th, 2005 at 1:23 pmI know you are but what am I? C’mon Seix, you can do better than Pee Wee Herman; can’t you?
Ehhhh, what? Is that your weak response to people putting words in my mouth and pretending that Bush said something he didn’t say while the Democrats were actually the ones who said it? LOL.
November 14th, 2005 at 2:14 pmSeixon, read these quotes and tell us again Bush didn’t say Saddam was an imminent threat. I believe all these people speak for Bush. So you can Sod Off.
“Absolutely.”
• White House spokesman Ari Fleischer answering whether Iraq was an “imminent threat,” 5/7/03
“This is about imminent threat.”
• White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 2/10/03
“Well, of course he is.â€
• White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett responding to the question “is Saddam an imminent threat to U.S. interests, either in that part of the world or to Americans right here at home?â€, 1/26/03
“Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent – that Saddam is at least 5-7 years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain. And we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from biological weapons. Iraq has these weapons.”
November 14th, 2005 at 2:41 pm• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/18/02
The past week has seen another shake-up in the Top 10 GOP Sound Bites.
After the President’s shameless Veterans Day speech, the smash hit “Rewriting History”, performed by George Bush, RNC chairman Ken Mehlman and National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley, jumped to the top of the charts. Kay Bailey Hutchison’s ode to Scooter Libby, “No Underlying Crime,” dropped two places to #3, while Scott McClellan’s ballad “Ongoing Investigation” held firm at #2. For the first time since January 2002, George Bush’s hard-rocking “Axis of Evil” fell off the charts altogether.
Here is the latest list of the Top 10 GOP Sound Bites…
November 14th, 2005 at 2:49 pm#428
Bob Loblaw,
Don’t forget that Bush and friends didn’t care if Saddam was an imminent threat. They planned to attack him even if he wasn’t a threat, because someday he might become a threat.
This is from George Bush’s State of the Union Address from January 28, 2003:
â€Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option.â€
This is the same thing and mind police. Like in the movie Minority Report.
“We think that someday you will attack our country, so we are going to attack your country first.”
November 14th, 2005 at 2:58 pmJohn McCain sucks! He truly has gone over to the dark side.
Who cares that,”every intelligence agency in the world, including the Russian, including the French, including the Israeli, all had reached the same conclusion, and that was that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.” This is a very misleading statement by McCain.
Is our intelligence that bad that we have to rely on foreign countries for our information? As far as Russia and China are concerned, how can anyone reasonably believe their information is trustworthy?
The Rethuglican argument is so laughable, that I am beginning to believe Bush’s stupidity is wearing off on them!
The fact is, the only people who really knew what was going on in Iraq were the weapons inspectors. And they all said they could not find any WMDs and did not believe Iraq had any WMDs. They made the correct assessment of Iraq, but were silenced by the Bush/Cheney administration.
November 14th, 2005 at 3:26 pmHe said it Seix.
November 14th, 2005 at 4:14 pmBoth Bush and Cheney prefaced a number of their assertions with the term, “there is no doubt.” “No doubt” means something. We now know that Cheney knew there were doubts about many of his assertions, but said “there is no doubt” anyway. Bush apologists take note. These were very straightforward lies. If Bush didn’t know there were doubts with all of the contrary PDP’s that we now know he had at his disposal, he too, at worst is a liar and at best is remarkably uninterested in what should be important to the Commander in Chief.
The strange thing is that there are still people, as evidenced on this board, who refuse to admit that Cheney and Bush lied. At this point, that seems pathological.
November 14th, 2005 at 5:28 pmWell, I never said the threat was imminent, and neither did the Bush administration. Senator Jay Rockefeller did though. A Democrat. Whoops!
Comment by Seixon — November 14, 2005 @ 11:02 am
Technically true, but misleading –Pres. Bush didn’t use the word “imminent”, but the words “urgent”, “gathering”, “grave”, “serious” were peppered throughout all his speeches.
All those words convey a sense of emergency and immediacy. We have to excuse the average American if he translated –in his mind— those words into a single one: “imminent”.
But something is clearly amiss when we try to make this a debate about semantics.
Remarks by the President to Students and Faculty at National Defense University:
“Unlike the Cold War, today’s most urgent threat stems not from thousands of ballistic missiles in the Soviet hands, but from a small number of missiles in the hands of these states, states for whom terror and blackmail are a way of life.They seek weapons of mass destruction to intimidate their neighbors, and to keep the United States and other responsible nations from helping allies and friends in strategic parts of the world.
When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1990, the world joined forces to turn him back. But the international community would have faced a very different situation had Hussein been able to blackmail with nuclear weapons.Like Saddam Hussein, some of today’s tyrants are gripped by an implacable hatred of the United States of America. They hate our friends, they hate our values, they hate democracy and freedom and individual liberty.”
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/05/20010501-10.html
President, House Leadership Agree on Iraq Resolution:
“On its present course, the Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency. We know the treacherous history of the regime. It has waged a war against its neighbors; it has sponsored and sheltered terrorists; it has developed weapons of mass death; it has used them against innocent men, women and children.”
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-7.html
Remarks by the President to Prague Atlantic Student Summit
“Today the world is also uniting to answer the unique and urgent threat posed by Iraq. A dictator who has used weapons of mass destruction on his own people must not be allowed to produce or possess those weapons.”
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/11/20021120-4.html
Excerpts from the President’s Address to the Nation on Iraq:
November 14th, 2005 at 6:40 pm“Tonight I want to take a few minutes to discuss a grave threat to peace, and America’s determination to lead the world in confronting that threat. The threat comes from Iraq. (…) We agree that the Iraqi dictator must not be permitted to threaten America and the world with horrible poisons and diseases and gases and atomic weapons. (…) While there are many dangers in the world, the threat from Iraq stands alone – because it gathers the most serious dangers of our age in one place…. By its past and present actions, by its technological capabilities, by the merciless nature of its regime, Iraq is unique.”
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html
HEY FELLOW DEMOCRATS, “WARNING ISSUE”
WE,VE BEEN HAD! EVERY TALKING POINT IS BEING USED AGAINST YOU!
THIS IS A REPUBLICAN BLOG!PROGREE FOR AMERICA IS A REPUB SITE THAT GATHERS INTELL AS TO YOUR INPUTS!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BEWARE OF THE EVIL, FOR THEY LISTEN!!!!
READ ON: The Supporters: Unwavering Bush Ally Acts Quickly on Court Choices and Legislation
By Glen Justice and Aron Pilhofer
The New York Times
Monday 14 November 2005
Washington – When President Bush named Judge Samuel A. Alito Jr. as his Supreme Court pick, it took Progress for America just 39 minutes to introduce a slick Web site and begin lobbying for his confirmation. And that was slow.
November 14th, 2005 at 8:46 pmhttp://progressforamerica.org/index_pfa.shtml
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The Supporters: Unwavering Bush Ally Acts Quickly on Court Choices and Legislation
By Glen Justice and Aron Pilhofer
The New York Times
Monday 14 November 2005
Washington – When President Bush named Judge Samuel A. Alito Jr. as his Supreme Court pick, it took Progress for America just 39 minutes to introduce a slick Web site and begin lobbying for his confirmation. And that was slow.
The group had taken 11 minutes to do the same for Harriet E. Miers and only 7 minutes for John G. Roberts Jr. before that. Knowing it would support whomever Mr. Bush chose, Progress for America started working months ago to create more than two dozen Web sites promoting various potential candidates. When the announcements came, it was prepared.
November 14th, 2005 at 9:35 pmhttp://forum.truthout.org/blog/
November 14th, 2005 at 9:37 pmBla, that site has nothing to do with this one, you’ve linked to a REPUBLICAN site! I hope you accidentally did this instead of intentionally!
The website related to thinkprogress is http://www.thinkprogress.org and not the whacko site you pointed to. The fact that it looked so ‘unrelated’ didn’t tip you off that you’d found the wrong site?
November 14th, 2005 at 10:01 pm#435
HEY FELLOW DEMOCRATS, “WARNING ISSUEâ€
WE,VE BEEN HAD! EVERY TALKING POINT IS BEING USED AGAINST YOU!
LOL, as Bush sayz Bring em On!
got more in store…
Twas The Nite Before Fitz-Mas
And All thru the LIE-House
Not a Cretin was Stirring
even Turd-Blossom the Louse.
Hint for Muse..
November 14th, 2005 at 10:39 pmBtw Nice Site. =)
Well, I never said the threat was imminent, and neither did the Bush administration. Senator Jay Rockefeller did though. A Democrat. Whoops!
Comment by Seixon — November 14, 2005 @ 11:02 am
Like It would have Mattered what we, the PUBLIC thought?
I dont GIVE A RATS ASS WHAT BUSH OR ROCKEFELLER THOUGHT.
LISTEN Here Seixon, THIS IS NOT A FOOTBALL GAME, and many here have PUT COUNTRY FIRST BEFORE THEIR PARTY
THE NEO_CONS ARE PROVEN LIARS, OVER AND OVER.
ITS NOT JUST THE WAR, OR THE I.C.
ITS THE ACCUMULATION OF (excuse me) BULLSHIT.
THE PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF IT. IM TIRED OF IT.
PROPAGANDA, TERROR ALERTS. ITS CRAP.
REF GOOGLE;
The 56-page investigation was assembled by USAF Colonel (Ret.) Sam Gardiner. “Truth from These Podia: Summary of a Study of Strategic Influence, Perception Management, Strategic Information Warfare and Strategic Psychological Operations in Gulf II” identifies more than 50 stories about the Iraq war that were faked by government propaganda artists in a covert campaign to “market” the military invasion of Iraq.
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I dont Remember Voting for a War?
Anyone Else?
DID you Vote for a War?
So Polls took us to War?
Is that WHAT the American Public Voice has been reduced too? Scare Tactics and Polls to Kill 100,000 Humans in a country that was Starving to death because of Embargos?
Do you Realize how many Children Died due to those Embargos?
A buch of Media Hyperbole, of WHICH much was WHITE HOUSE produced to cause a certain amount of fear in the public?
And YOU dare to Defend your case with SADDAM gassed 5,000 People WHEN Bush Bombs have Killed ten times as Many? Whos the Tyrant?
Please Explain, to us, People, not Parties, with NO BIAS, your Rational to the above Questions. –AJ
November 14th, 2005 at 11:08 pmThe Iraqi Threat
After enduring months of the Bush Administration’s hyping the threat from Iraq’s non-existing WMDs, and their insisting the invasion was to make the U.S. safe –we have now former 9/11 Commission Chairman Thomas Kean saying: “The U.S. government is not doing enough to protect nuclear weapons from terrorists (…) the most striking thing to us is that the size of the problem still totally dwarfs the policy response â€
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N14418339.htm
Goes to show how little the Bush White House really cares about the proliferation of WMDs –and how much of it was a convenient excuse to launch an invasion.
November 15th, 2005 at 12:45 amgo Argue with neighbor drink a Beer, Get over it..Drinka ‘nother beer, cya tomorrow.
-Arguometer-
November 15th, 2005 at 2:26 am312
Take a good look at the following, and explain — please.
http://media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/111505.wmv
November 15th, 2005 at 2:43 pmAll the Mehlbot doublespeak in the world cannot change the facts that the US government employed a system of lies, manipulated evidence and propaganda to encourage its citizens to support a war of choice which was not necessary and has done nothing to thwart international terrorism; on the contrary, Iraq is now the primary recruitment and training ground for Islamic radicals, and will continue to be so as long as US forces occupy the country.
Mission accomplished my ass.
November 15th, 2005 at 3:42 pmObviously the author of this article does not realize that the countries mentioned above, with the exeption of Germany, were on Saddams Oil-For-Fraud payroll.
http://memri.org/bin/opener.cgi?Page=archives&ID=IA16404
The diplomats of these countries received bribes and kickbacks from Saddam. They had everything to lose from a military solution. Look at the list of names and see how they relate to the leaders of the nations listed.
This article needs to change names to “Debunking the Left: The World Did Not See the Iraqi Threat as Bush Did, Because World Leaders Were Blinded by Monetary Greed.”
November 15th, 2005 at 3:46 pm