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	<title>Comments on: Sen. Roberts Questions Bush Claim That Congress Saw &#8220;Same Intelligence&#8221; On Iraq</title>
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		<title>By: wwphallus</title>
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		<dc:creator>wwphallus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wwphallus

Lemme see, Tin FOIL Hat. 

Naw.   }=[]B^T) 
We use Magnetic Flat Film Loops phased 180deg to block the thoughts of such Cocker Doodle Dupes as O&#039;Liely. 
Latent Racist Re-enforcement Media.
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Bob Woodward Speaking To CFRelations
 (Live Transcript)
 June 9, 2004

blah blah

....and since Bob is sort of coming out of book tour mode, where you kind of retell what&#039;s in the book, 

let&#039;s do a little bit of that. And the W I&#039;d like to start with is &quot;when.&quot; Our nation&#039;s esteemed former 



Treasury secretary [Paul Oâ€™Neill], in his relatively new book [â€œThe Price of Loyaltyâ€], or Ron Suskind&#039;s book about him, says the war in Iraq was a done deal on Inauguration day, without offering a lot of proof. The president of this very organization [Richard Haass], who&#039;s not here today because of a death in the family, wrote an op-ed piece in 
***The Washington Post, I think, last summer, in which he recounted a conversation with [National Security Adviser] Condoleezza Rice in, I think, June 2002***, in which he went to her, an old friend from a previous turn on the [President George H.W.] Bush National Security Council [NSC], and said, &quot;I&#039;ve got some reservations about the idea of a war in Iraq I&#039;d like to share with you.&quot; And she said, &quot;Save your breath,&quot; as he tells the story, &quot;the decision&#039;s been made.&quot; So I ask you, Bob, to start: when did the president decide to invade Iraq?*** (emphasis&#039;s by poster)

WOODWARD: It&#039;s like all decisions. It&#039;s incremental. In a way, the book is an effort to take the 16-month period and show how incremental it was. And to a certain extent, it started when Bush took [Defense Secretary] Don Rumsfeld aside after an NSC meeting, and they went into a little cubbyhole office, and President Bush said to Rumsfeld, &quot;What are the war plans for Iraq? I want to know. I want to know what the options are. Update me now.&quot; Of course, if you give Rumsfeld a bone, he will take it and convert it into a war plan. [Laughter.] And that&#039;s exactly what he did. And the book charts how it looked like attacking, invading Iraq would beâ€” would take a long time and be very expensive, and the Rumsfeld war plan kept getting better. And by getting better, it looked much, much easier, down to the point where [Deputy Defense Secretary] Paul Wolfowitz thought the war would last seven days. Of course, I think it&#039;s now 440 days. He was off a little bit, as he tends to be. [Laughter.] 
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Laughter?
Jerks.  --AJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wwphallus</p>
<p>Lemme see, Tin FOIL Hat. </p>
<p>Naw.   }=[]B^T)<br />
We use Magnetic Flat Film Loops phased 180deg to block the thoughts of such Cocker Doodle Dupes as O&#8217;Liely.<br />
Latent Racist Re-enforcement Media.<br />
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Bob Woodward Speaking To CFRelations<br />
 (Live Transcript)<br />
 June 9, 2004</p>
<p>blah blah</p>
<p>&#8230;.and since Bob is sort of coming out of book tour mode, where you kind of retell what&#8217;s in the book, </p>
<p>let&#8217;s do a little bit of that. And the W I&#8217;d like to start with is &#8220;when.&#8221; Our nation&#8217;s esteemed former </p>
<p>Treasury secretary [Paul Oâ€™Neill], in his relatively new book [â€œThe Price of Loyaltyâ€], or Ron Suskind&#8217;s book about him, says the war in Iraq was a done deal on Inauguration day, without offering a lot of proof. The president of this very organization [Richard Haass], who&#8217;s not here today because of a death in the family, wrote an op-ed piece in<br />
***The Washington Post, I think, last summer, in which he recounted a conversation with [National Security Adviser] Condoleezza Rice in, I think, June 2002***, in which he went to her, an old friend from a previous turn on the [President George H.W.] Bush National Security Council [NSC], and said, &#8220;I&#8217;ve got some reservations about the idea of a war in Iraq I&#8217;d like to share with you.&#8221; And she said, &#8220;Save your breath,&#8221; as he tells the story, &#8220;the decision&#8217;s been made.&#8221; So I ask you, Bob, to start: when did the president decide to invade Iraq?*** (emphasis&#8217;s by poster)</p>
<p>WOODWARD: It&#8217;s like all decisions. It&#8217;s incremental. In a way, the book is an effort to take the 16-month period and show how incremental it was. And to a certain extent, it started when Bush took [Defense Secretary] Don Rumsfeld aside after an NSC meeting, and they went into a little cubbyhole office, and President Bush said to Rumsfeld, &#8220;What are the war plans for Iraq? I want to know. I want to know what the options are. Update me now.&#8221; Of course, if you give Rumsfeld a bone, he will take it and convert it into a war plan. [Laughter.] And that&#8217;s exactly what he did. And the book charts how it looked like attacking, invading Iraq would beâ€” would take a long time and be very expensive, and the Rumsfeld war plan kept getting better. And by getting better, it looked much, much easier, down to the point where [Deputy Defense Secretary] Paul Wolfowitz thought the war would last seven days. Of course, I think it&#8217;s now 440 days. He was off a little bit, as he tends to be. [Laughter.]<br />
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Laughter?<br />
Jerks.  &#8211;AJ<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=223615', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gregor

Oh, but the Whitehouse is doing something about nuclear weapons proliferation - it is outing and destroying their own intelligence operations who were responsible for worldwide counterproliferation activities. That was Brewster &amp; Jennings&#039;s business.

Anyone who wants to say that the Plame affair was a benign leak with no national security implications is either a damn fool or a bloody liar.

Check out www.waynemadsenreport.com for more info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gregor</p>
<p>Oh, but the Whitehouse is doing something about nuclear weapons proliferation &#8211; it is outing and destroying their own intelligence operations who were responsible for worldwide counterproliferation activities. That was Brewster &amp; Jennings&#8217;s business.</p>
<p>Anyone who wants to say that the Plame affair was a benign leak with no national security implications is either a damn fool or a bloody liar.</p>
<p>Check out <a href="http://www.waynemadsenreport.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.waynemadsenreport.com</a> for more info.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=221531', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a worldwide intelligence failure because it was a worldwide criminal conspiracy by networks associated with Dick Cheney and his neocon friends.

The sooner we stop talking about the output and start examining the ways in which intelligence was blatantly politicized by this Administration, the sooner we will get some accountability for this disasterous war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a worldwide intelligence failure because it was a worldwide criminal conspiracy by networks associated with Dick Cheney and his neocon friends.</p>
<p>The sooner we stop talking about the output and start examining the ways in which intelligence was blatantly politicized by this Administration, the sooner we will get some accountability for this disasterous war.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=221520', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Gregor Samsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregor Samsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant to say &quot;...after the White House hyping the threat...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant to say &#8220;&#8230;after the White House hyping the threat&#8230;&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=221447', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Gregor Samsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregor Samsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And in an ironic twist, after hyping the threat from Iraq&#039;s non-existing WMDs, and repeatedly stating the invasion was to make the U.S. Safe, now former 9/11 Commission Chairman Thomas Kean says: â€œThe U.S. government is not doing enough to protect nuclear weapons from terrorists (...) the most striking thing to us is that the size of the problem still totally dwarfs the policy response â€ 

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N14418339.htm

We can expect the White House to try to blame the Democrats, the French, etc. for the own failure to pursue a real non-proliferation policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in an ironic twist, after hyping the threat from Iraq&#8217;s non-existing WMDs, and repeatedly stating the invasion was to make the U.S. Safe, now former 9/11 Commission Chairman Thomas Kean says: â€œThe U.S. government is not doing enough to protect nuclear weapons from terrorists (&#8230;) the most striking thing to us is that the size of the problem still totally dwarfs the policy response â€ </p>
<p><a href="http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N14418339.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N14418339.htm</a></p>
<p>We can expect the White House to try to blame the Democrats, the French, etc. for the own failure to pursue a real non-proliferation policy.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=221433', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush, during a news briefing on intelligence reform, remarked that &quot; I need valid intelligence to make good decisions..&quot; 

When intelligence later proves to be invalid, for whatever reasons, the decisions become bad ones. But he cannot admit that, and the only way to deal with the aftermath is to change original rationale, and to insist on staying the course. And no matter how we look at the mess in Iraq and the problems Iraq has created to the American people and American image and world peace, it seems to me there are only two options here: one to stay the course and find a way, by a future president most likely, to get out in honor, and two, cut and leave to minimize losses from a bad decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush, during a news briefing on intelligence reform, remarked that &#8221; I need valid intelligence to make good decisions..&#8221; </p>
<p>When intelligence later proves to be invalid, for whatever reasons, the decisions become bad ones. But he cannot admit that, and the only way to deal with the aftermath is to change original rationale, and to insist on staying the course. And no matter how we look at the mess in Iraq and the problems Iraq has created to the American people and American image and world peace, it seems to me there are only two options here: one to stay the course and find a way, by a future president most likely, to get out in honor, and two, cut and leave to minimize losses from a bad decision.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=221390', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Neat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Neat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I noticed you chose NOT to respond to my excerpt from the report that debunked your mythology.  Typical partisan fool!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I noticed you chose NOT to respond to my excerpt from the report that debunked your mythology.  Typical partisan fool!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=221363', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Neat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Neat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seixon,

You FOOL.  That report was not chartered with doing or even investigating what you say it reports on.  You&#039;re a retard.  And as I pointed out, it in fact PROVES that evidence from a known LIAR was included against the experts that said it shouldn&#039;t be.  The Robb-Silverman report actually proves the misuse of evidence despite your claims to the contrary.  Is english a second language for you, because you clearly have reading comprehension issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seixon,</p>
<p>You FOOL.  That report was not chartered with doing or even investigating what you say it reports on.  You&#8217;re a retard.  And as I pointed out, it in fact PROVES that evidence from a known LIAR was included against the experts that said it shouldn&#8217;t be.  The Robb-Silverman report actually proves the misuse of evidence despite your claims to the contrary.  Is english a second language for you, because you clearly have reading comprehension issues.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=221361', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: VirusHead &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bush Deeply Irresponsible</title>
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		<dc:creator>VirusHead &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bush Deeply Irresponsible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Congress did not have access to the &#8220;the same intelligence&#8221; as the White House. According to the Washington Post, Bush and his aides had access to much more voluminous intelligence information than did lawmakers, who were dependent on the administration to provide the material. For instance, in the lead up to war, the Bush administration argued that Iraq had made several attempts to &#8220;buy high-strength aluminum tubes used in centrifuges to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons.&#8221; The White House sent 15 intelligence assessments to Congress supporting this notion, but according to the New York Times, &#8220;not one of them&#8221; informed readers that experts within the Energy Department believed the tubes could not be used to reconstitute a nuclear weapons program. Even Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts (R-KS) &#8212; who has led efforts to delay and downplay the need for investigating prewar intelligence &#8212; confirmed this broader point yesterday. Asked whether the differences between the intelligence available to the White House and to Congress was a &#8220;legitimate concern,&#8221; Roberts acknowledged that it may be a concern to some extent. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Congress did not have access to the &#8220;the same intelligence&#8221; as the White House. According to the Washington Post, Bush and his aides had access to much more voluminous intelligence information than did lawmakers, who were dependent on the administration to provide the material. For instance, in the lead up to war, the Bush administration argued that Iraq had made several attempts to &#8220;buy high-strength aluminum tubes used in centrifuges to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons.&#8221; The White House sent 15 intelligence assessments to Congress supporting this notion, but according to the New York Times, &#8220;not one of them&#8221; informed readers that experts within the Energy Department believed the tubes could not be used to reconstitute a nuclear weapons program. Even Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts (R-KS) &#8212; who has led efforts to delay and downplay the need for investigating prewar intelligence &#8212; confirmed this broader point yesterday. Asked whether the differences between the intelligence available to the White House and to Congress was a &#8220;legitimate concern,&#8221; Roberts acknowledged that it may be a concern to some extent. [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=220953', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: I-RIGHT-I</title>
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		<dc:creator>I-RIGHT-I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We invite you to leave, Seix. You wouldnâ€™t want to be in a place where you would slimed would you? 

Comment by progressive and proud

I think he&#039;d agree with me when I say; there is no other place to go. America is it, it&#039;s all that&#039;s left of the New World and we&#039;re sticking around to make sure you Left Wing Losers don&#039;t muck it up. 

But I know what you meant. You just can&#039;t stand an opposing opinion can you? How tolerant of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We invite you to leave, Seix. You wouldnâ€™t want to be in a place where you would slimed would you? </p>
<p>Comment by progressive and proud</p>
<p>I think he&#8217;d agree with me when I say; there is no other place to go. America is it, it&#8217;s all that&#8217;s left of the New World and we&#8217;re sticking around to make sure you Left Wing Losers don&#8217;t muck it up. </p>
<p>But I know what you meant. You just can&#8217;t stand an opposing opinion can you? How tolerant of you.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=220904', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Gregor Samsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregor Samsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Downing Street memo has never been shown, and has only been transcribed. If that is your threshold for evidence, you are a dunce.&quot;
Comment by Seixon â€” November 14, 2005 @ 2:18 pm 

This is a false statement. 

The Downing Street Memos news was first publicized by the Sunday Times, the 1st of May, 2005. Here is a link to the original transcript:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html 

There is now also a very handy PDF version of the scanned memos here (the original is at the top of the page â€“ click on &quot;PDF&quot;):
http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/memos.html

The additional documents and memos are at the bottom of the page. Same thing: click on &quot;PDF scanned documents&quot;


&quot;Oh, and the Downing Street memo is as authentic as the Niger documents were when Cheney got wind of them in February 2002.&quot;
Comment by Seixon â€” November 14, 2005 @ 2:18 pm 

That is another false statement. 

At the beginning, PM Blair claimed that the memos contained &quot;nothing new&quot; â€“without questioning their authenticity: 
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1592904,00.html

Until PM Blair admitted the memos were authentic, but said they &quot;paint a distorted picture&quot; and have been &quot;taken out of context&quot;:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8402894/

Pres. George Bush has tried to explain the memos by stating something similar: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/07/iraq.uk.memo/

Nobody in the White House or the PMâ€™s office has ever challenged the authenticity of the documents. Instead, they have explained the memos by saying the documents donâ€™t say what they say â€“tacit admission of the authenticity of the memos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Downing Street memo has never been shown, and has only been transcribed. If that is your threshold for evidence, you are a dunce.&#8221;<br />
Comment by Seixon â€” November 14, 2005 @ 2:18 pm </p>
<p>This is a false statement. </p>
<p>The Downing Street Memos news was first publicized by the Sunday Times, the 1st of May, 2005. Here is a link to the original transcript:<br />
<a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html</a> </p>
<p>There is now also a very handy PDF version of the scanned memos here (the original is at the top of the page â€“ click on &#8220;PDF&#8221;):<br />
<a href="http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/memos.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/memos.html</a></p>
<p>The additional documents and memos are at the bottom of the page. Same thing: click on &#8220;PDF scanned documents&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, and the Downing Street memo is as authentic as the Niger documents were when Cheney got wind of them in February 2002.&#8221;<br />
Comment by Seixon â€” November 14, 2005 @ 2:18 pm </p>
<p>That is another false statement. </p>
<p>At the beginning, PM Blair claimed that the memos contained &#8220;nothing new&#8221; â€“without questioning their authenticity:<br />
<a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1592904,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1592904,00.html</a></p>
<p>Until PM Blair admitted the memos were authentic, but said they &#8220;paint a distorted picture&#8221; and have been &#8220;taken out of context&#8221;:<br />
<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8402894/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8402894/</a></p>
<p>Pres. George Bush has tried to explain the memos by stating something similar: <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/07/iraq.uk.memo/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/07/iraq.uk.memo/</a></p>
<p>Nobody in the White House or the PMâ€™s office has ever challenged the authenticity of the documents. Instead, they have explained the memos by saying the documents donâ€™t say what they say â€“tacit admission of the authenticity of the memos.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=220877', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: progressive and proud</title>
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		<dc:creator>progressive and proud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We invite you to leave, Seix.  You wouldn&#039;t want to be in a place where you would slimed would you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We invite you to leave, Seix.  You wouldn&#8217;t want to be in a place where you would slimed would you?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=220836', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Seixon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone is being slimed here, it is me. I haven&#039;t attacked anyone. But keep up the charade Bakalik! It&#039;s quite the parody!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone is being slimed here, it is me. I haven&#8217;t attacked anyone. But keep up the charade Bakalik! It&#8217;s quite the parody!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=220697', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: John Bakalik</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Bakalik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice how small bits of lies are being reported, how nice after 2060 or more of our troops have died. Reading the above comments, is like Rove has his watchdogs out to slime those of us who were not fooled when Bush and Powell and others got us into this war for oil.  Ole vet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice how small bits of lies are being reported, how nice after 2060 or more of our troops have died. Reading the above comments, is like Rove has his watchdogs out to slime those of us who were not fooled when Bush and Powell and others got us into this war for oil.  Ole vet<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=220673', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Seixon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;This for Seixon. The Robb-Silverman report is meaningless for two reasons. 1. They were all appointed by Bush. 2. They were explicitly precluded from looking into how the intelligence was used. Make that fixed (as per Downing Street memo). &lt;/em&gt;

Wasn&#039;t it a bipartisan report? Yes, I realize that they didn&#039;t look into how the administration was using intelligence, but I don&#039;t think that&#039;s what I was talking about, either.

What I was talking about is that the White House and Congress were receiving the same intelligence. The Robb-Silverman report shows this quite well. That&#039;s what we were talking about, so don&#039;t try to derail the discussion as if we were talking about something else.

Oh, and the Downing Street memo is as authentic as the Niger documents were when Cheney got wind of them in February 2002. The Downing Street memo has never been shown, and has only been transcribed. If that is your threshold for evidence, you are a dunce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This for Seixon. The Robb-Silverman report is meaningless for two reasons. 1. They were all appointed by Bush. 2. They were explicitly precluded from looking into how the intelligence was used. Make that fixed (as per Downing Street memo). </em></p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t it a bipartisan report? Yes, I realize that they didn&#8217;t look into how the administration was using intelligence, but I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s what I was talking about, either.</p>
<p>What I was talking about is that the White House and Congress were receiving the same intelligence. The Robb-Silverman report shows this quite well. That&#8217;s what we were talking about, so don&#8217;t try to derail the discussion as if we were talking about something else.</p>
<p>Oh, and the Downing Street memo is as authentic as the Niger documents were when Cheney got wind of them in February 2002. The Downing Street memo has never been shown, and has only been transcribed. If that is your threshold for evidence, you are a dunce.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=220633', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dim bulb</title>
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		<dc:creator>dim bulb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This for Seixon.  The Robb-Silverman report is meaningless for two reasons.  1.  They were all appointed by Bush.  2.  They were explicitly precluded from looking into how the intelligence was used.  Make that fixed (as per Downing Street memo).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This for Seixon.  The Robb-Silverman report is meaningless for two reasons.  1.  They were all appointed by Bush.  2.  They were explicitly precluded from looking into how the intelligence was used.  Make that fixed (as per Downing Street memo).<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=220519', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: progressive and proud</title>
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		<dc:creator>progressive and proud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, by your reasoning and the way you see reality, Ryan will be upset that someone he does not know and disagrees with 100% says something derogatory about his parents?  

So, I suppose by the same reasoning, you would be upset that I would call your parents absentee and neglectful because I find you were raised by people who had better things to do than teach you ethics and consideration of others?

If the answer is yes than you are weak and actually listen to strangers.  If the answer is no, then you just type for fun and really have no meaning to your posts at all and you simply like to argue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, by your reasoning and the way you see reality, Ryan will be upset that someone he does not know and disagrees with 100% says something derogatory about his parents?  </p>
<p>So, I suppose by the same reasoning, you would be upset that I would call your parents absentee and neglectful because I find you were raised by people who had better things to do than teach you ethics and consideration of others?</p>
<p>If the answer is yes than you are weak and actually listen to strangers.  If the answer is no, then you just type for fun and really have no meaning to your posts at all and you simply like to argue.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=220518', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Romelee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Romelee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can they besaved when they ars supporting the leak and the deaths of our troops and scores of Iraqs .I don`t call that regligious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can they besaved when they ars supporting the leak and the deaths of our troops and scores of Iraqs .I don`t call that regligious.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=220485', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: I-RIGHT-I</title>
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		<dc:creator>I-RIGHT-I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the by - Ryan and Susan are the same person 

Comment by Guardian of Indifference 

That makes sense. Ryan always wanted to be a &quot;Susan&quot;. I blame his dyke mother and absent father.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the by &#8211; Ryan and Susan are the same person </p>
<p>Comment by Guardian of Indifference </p>
<p>That makes sense. Ryan always wanted to be a &#8220;Susan&#8221;. I blame his dyke mother and absent father.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=220319', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Vince1157</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince1157</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#137 So true. The fall of repubs will not solve America&#039;s problems. Until we the people face the fact that our consent at the polls is diminished by the power of the special interest groups, we will continue to find such corruption and secrecy again and again. Money needs to be removed from the electorial process, so that any American who desires to serve his nation can choose to do so and not be hindered by the lack of a famous name or face or funds. 
 
Many persons pull out the Founding Fathers when they need to manipulate or revise history, but it is very clear that the system we have today in place was not what they envisioned. Sadly, such a realizations leads to the understanding and recognition that we have a poor education system as well as that we are marketed beyond the retail environment to our very politicial, and social iand religious views. 

When a nation&#039;s government leaders preach what is or isn&#039;t patriotism, we have already lost it. Just like Christainity a lot of folks talk about it, but when one looks about one can find very few who practice it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#137 So true. The fall of repubs will not solve America&#8217;s problems. Until we the people face the fact that our consent at the polls is diminished by the power of the special interest groups, we will continue to find such corruption and secrecy again and again. Money needs to be removed from the electorial process, so that any American who desires to serve his nation can choose to do so and not be hindered by the lack of a famous name or face or funds. </p>
<p>Many persons pull out the Founding Fathers when they need to manipulate or revise history, but it is very clear that the system we have today in place was not what they envisioned. Sadly, such a realizations leads to the understanding and recognition that we have a poor education system as well as that we are marketed beyond the retail environment to our very politicial, and social iand religious views. </p>
<p>When a nation&#8217;s government leaders preach what is or isn&#8217;t patriotism, we have already lost it. Just like Christainity a lot of folks talk about it, but when one looks about one can find very few who practice it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=220278', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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