York: Bush Officials Met With Chalabi Because ‘A Lot Still Believe’ Iraq Had WMD
York: Bush Officials Met With Chalabi Because ‘A Lot Still Believe’ Iraq Had WMD
How does serial fabricator Ahmad Chalabi manage to still open the most exclusive doors at the White House and the Pentagon? According to National Review’s Byron York, it’s because numerous Bush administration officials still believe (despite all the evidence) that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
From last night’s Hardball:
CHRIS MATTHEWS: Why is the Vice President and other administration officials like Rumsfeld seeming to reject the notion that this guy [Chalabi] is full of it?
BYRON YORK: A couple of reasons. One, he is now a high ranking Iraqi official.
MATTHEWS: Thanks to us.
YORK: We do recognize his position. And the other thing is, look, I think there are a lot of people in the administration who still believe that there were weapons of mass destruction somewhere that they were spirited away or in some way not found.
MATTHEWS: Who would — who do you know believes that?
YORK: I’m not going to say any brand names, but they do believe that — it was not possible that all of the intelligence was totally wrong.
We can’t figure out which is worse: the fact that Bush officials are still clinging to the myth of WMDs in Iraq, or that they’re still turning to Chalabi to help confirm their misconceptions.
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November 15th, 2005 at 11:35 amIt was the only argument York had. (the only one provided to him by his handlers). Why does Matthews have these National Review guys on?!
November 15th, 2005 at 11:35 amThese people live in their own Never Never Land. The scary part they’re in charge! We need a reality based Govt!
November 15th, 2005 at 11:38 amThis is sick. Really sick.
Everyone involved in the meetings should be jailed. If for no other reason than to protect society from their utter stupidity.
What does anyone want to bet that Cheney and Chalabi were discussing how best to invade Iran? Or Syria?
November 15th, 2005 at 11:39 amYeah, it makes them look better than saying, “Look, we have no friends over there. We take what we can get.”
November 15th, 2005 at 11:39 amHow does serial fabricator Ahmad Chalabi manage to still open the most exclusive doors at the White House and the Pentagon?
Because those serial fabricators have to stick together.
November 15th, 2005 at 11:40 amThere are plenty of “high ranking officials” that are persona non grata at the White House.
For example, I don’t look for any state dinners for Hugo Chavez in the near future.
Not only is Chalabi’s red carpet treatment an insult, it could be construed as obstruction of justice. Does this guy have photos of Rumsfeld in a dress? I mean come on, what does it take.
The White House forbid staff from contact with Scooter Libby…wouldn’t the same principle apply to a man under investigation for allegedly giving US military secrets to a charter member of the Axis of Evil?
Please. It is time for all of them to go. We can survive without a president for a couple of years. I’m not sure we can survive WITH this one.
You can’t call it terror if you’re not afraid of it.
November 15th, 2005 at 11:40 amHere we have more of the old, familiar faith-based governing. However, as I think some people are figuring out, the faith of these arrogant, corrupt Bushies is in themselves, not God, as they would have the right-wing nutcases believe.
November 15th, 2005 at 11:44 amAnd it’s no wonder they haven’t won friends and influenced people. I really hope this story isn’t true:
http://news.independent.co.uk/ world/ americas/ article327094.ece
November 15th, 2005 at 11:51 amThe neocons have to support the validity of WMDs being the reason to attack Iraq because it is this pretext that they will use to attack Iran. The Chimp hasn’t suffered for his lies yet, so why quit now when most of the Middle East remains unconquered?
November 15th, 2005 at 11:56 amWhat choice does the Bush admin. have? They have to find WMD, and they are either going to uncover evidence it was there (please!), or they’re going to make something up. Chalabi is their last hope, isn’t he?
November 15th, 2005 at 11:56 amWow. Talk about dead-enders.
It’s the evident Republican inability to process information and make rational assessments that disqualifies them from running a county government, much less the world’s greatest superpower.
November 15th, 2005 at 12:05 pmmaybe those penguins took them………anyone look real close at the movie?
November 15th, 2005 at 12:05 pmI believe in the Flying Spaghetti Chalabi Monster!
FSCM!!!
November 15th, 2005 at 12:06 pmTHey had Chalabi on PBS: Wall Street Week this past Fri: 11/11. Chalabi referred to all of the crticisms against him as “urban myths” Gigot, of course, was very obliging in his mock surprise at these frivilous allegations. For instance: Gigot, “there are some in Washington that say you lied to us about WMDs and Saddam’s capabilities” Chalabi: “these are lies dreamed up by my enemies to discredit me” It went on and on like this, Gigot serving up softballs for a very smug Chalabi to pound out over the wall. RIDICULOUS! PBS should be ashamed they aired it.
November 15th, 2005 at 12:08 pmInstalling governments is our most reliable way to gain allies.
Don’t worry. We can fund the whole thing by eliminating all social welfare programs! Then watch those market forces at work!
See you all at the Bridge To Nowhere grand opening in Alaska!
November 15th, 2005 at 12:11 pm“these are lies dreamed up by my enemies to discredit meâ€
Do all these guys read from the same script? Does Karl Rove provide strategy to Iran and North Korea also?
November 15th, 2005 at 12:13 pmHack,
Go ahead, hope it isn’t true (that we used Willie Peter in Fallujah), but past experience says that it is. WMD — weapons of mass disfiguration. And here’s an amusing quote from the Independent article: “While US commanders insist they always strive to avoid civilian casualties . . ” That’s a big yuk. US military forces, particularly the air force but other branches also, have historically killed and disfigured more concombatants, by far, than any other country or terrorist or dictator ever did. Vietnam napalm, the Hiroshima atomic bomb and Tokyo fire-bombing come to mind, with results not dissimilar to white phosphorous.
November 15th, 2005 at 12:14 pmIs this the same Byron York who penned the silly The Vast Left Wing Conspiracy?
Most likely just trying to get some attention. Maybe he knows where the WMDs are…
November 15th, 2005 at 12:22 pmAnd you wonder Why I hate their Freedoms?
November 15th, 2005 at 12:23 pmbuahahahaha. dont make me laugh.
Bushes FREEDOM BUBBLE IS ABOUT TO BURST WHEN HE MEETS WITH CHINAS LDRS! CHINA WILL TELL HIM”GO TO HELL AND TAKE YOUR CAPITALISTS WITH YOU!
THIS IS WHY AMERICA IS GOING TO HELL!!!!!
November 15th, 2005 at 12:25 pmhttp://moneycentral.msn.com/ content/ Retirementandwills/ Escapetheratrace/ P133900.asp
As progressives we are loyal Americans. That is why it is so hard for us to get our minds around what the traitors in the GOP do.
Since I have never had treasonous thoughts or known anyone who has, I can only postulate. My hypothesis is that becoming a traitor to ones country is a social disease. Like syphilis, it eats away at the brain until in the later stages a true psychosis takes hold. So now we know that a good portion of the GOP leadership are infected traitors and are entering the later stage of treason.
November 15th, 2005 at 12:26 pmWhat is Old Bushie and his Admin up to? Are we going to be in another war? I hope not.
November 15th, 2005 at 12:27 pmLevin’s amendment was just defeated.
November 15th, 2005 at 12:47 pmLieberman is a true patriot unlike John Kerry who is a liar and would kill his mother to get elected….
http://corner.nationalreview.com/ 05_11_13_corner-archive.asp#082672
November 15th, 2005 at 12:49 pmWell, if Kerry is a liar, so is Bush. I’d rather have a smart liar in office, than a dumb one.
November 15th, 2005 at 12:52 pm#26 - with Kerry, you get a two-fer. He’s a moron and so is his wife.
November 15th, 2005 at 12:54 pm#26 “RIGHT ON”
November 15th, 2005 at 12:55 pmned
Wipe the GOP from your face traitor.
November 15th, 2005 at 12:56 pmYork: Bush Officials Met With Chalabi Because ‘A Lot Still Believe’ Iraq Had WMD.
No no no Mr. York.
November 15th, 2005 at 12:58 pmThey met related to how they are going to proceed post failed cover-up.
NeD, I see you like to use the word “lie”. You still haven’t told us what you meant by us liberals “lying” about Bush’s Veteran’s day speech:
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/14/touching-a-nerve/
Do you just like to make ad hominem attacks? (The address for wikipedia, so you can look that term up, is http://www.wikipedia.org.)
November 15th, 2005 at 12:58 pmRepublicans always say that democrats don’t have ideas, especially out Iraq. So this week the democrats came up with a comprehensive proposal. What did republicans do? They PLAGARIZED the democratic proposal (I’m talking cut and paste here) and tomorrow we’ll surely here the same old republican talking poing (AND LIE) about democrats and ideas. Republicans are clearly the most retarded monkey species around!
http://nitpicker.blogspot.com/ 2005/ 11/ remember-call-for-democratic-plan.html
November 15th, 2005 at 1:06 pmHey NeD, what happened to “crush”? I kind of liked that word of the week…
November 15th, 2005 at 1:10 pmStupid troll. You must have gotten a new contract, we didn’t see much of you last week and here you are all over every thread again.
#34. last week and here you are all over every thread again.
November 15th, 2005 at 1:19 pmlast week , was GOI
Ryan,
Here’s one subject (perhaps the only one) on which you and I differ. I believe that the Dems and the Repubs are merely two branches of the corporate party. In 2004 Kerry and the Dems were right down the line on the Iraq and Afghan wars, Patriot Act, trade, corporate welfare, health care, drug war, etc. So now the Senate is drafting a “Sense (sic) of the Senate” bill which will, pretty please, ask the Chimp to at least consider someday leaving Iraq. And where will the DLC, Clinton, Lieberman and Biden be on this bill? Where is the Congress which is supposed to declare, and by extension, UNdeclare, war? What about the ongoing war with Syria, and the oncoming war with Iran? I think that most of what you say does apply to the Repubs, unfortunately it applies to most Dems also.
November 15th, 2005 at 1:19 pmSKdeA,
NED missed her period, so she spent the week trying to find an abortion clinic with an available appointment before it became outlawed. You know how republicans are, they’ll use anything they consider immoral if it’s convenient for their own needs…
November 15th, 2005 at 1:19 pmThe meeting isn’t about WMD’s or electric power grids. It’s so that Bush and Chalabi have their stories straight when they serve up their next load of bullcrap to us.
November 15th, 2005 at 1:23 pmDON,
You’re wrong.
While I agree that Democrats have more corporate influence than I would care for, they still get a tremendous amount of their financing through individuals and union groups that have different interests. This makes democrats generally more receptive and more responsible than republicans.
Not only that, but democrats spent the week trying to get a declaration of an exit date - or didn’t you notice this? I suggest you read this article.
http://nitpicker.blogspot.com/ 2005/ 11/ remember-call-for-democratic-plan.html
I appreciate your frustration, but it’s incorrectly placed. The evidence does not bear out your opinion.
As for Lieberban and Biden, they represent the more conservative DLC, which frankly is ‘the’ problem within the democratic party. It is NOT however ‘the’ democratic party.
November 15th, 2005 at 1:23 pmByron York is playing the violin on the sinking Titanic. He had trouble containing his own smile when he uttered those words, and Matthews did not contain his incredulity.
November 15th, 2005 at 1:23 pmConcerning the war in Iraq and the troops coming home, the Republicans are taking a page from Democrat’s words and promoting it as their own idea. Corrupt and unethical aren’t strong enough to describe them.
Don,
Clearly some of the democrats voted with the republicans, but the majority did not.
“Republicans block Iraq timetable
Republican-controlled Senate votes 58-40 against Democrat-led exit call.”
So a handful of democrats voted with the republicans, but most did not. Clearly those that voted with the republicans are candidates that more mainstream democrats should find replacement candidates for during their next re-election…
November 15th, 2005 at 1:26 pmHey, Chalabi was indicted for fraud in Lebanon so he fits right in with the Republican culture of corruption.
November 15th, 2005 at 1:26 pmMarie,
Republicans PLAGARIZED THE DEMOCRATIC DOCUMENT, so they taking ‘democratic words’ is literal, not figurative unfortunately…
November 15th, 2005 at 1:27 pmthere are still some people who believe in the tooth fairy, too… pathetic souls…
November 15th, 2005 at 1:27 pmThe Northeast Dilemma
lunatic.
November 15th, 2005 at 1:35 pm#42, Ryan,
November 15th, 2005 at 1:36 pmThey are liars, crooks, and thieves. I hope the public disgust continues to grow and the Dems take over in 2006, so the investigations can begin. A problem is that when they plagiarize the Democratic papers, and they boldly take to the cameras at every opportunity, it will take united and extremely vocal Democrats to combat that type of warfare. Their corruption is becoming more obvious to the uninformed every day, but those same uninformed are so easily led by the lies and contorted versions of history, so it is up to the Democrats to continuously point out the Republican lies.
So… how is Saint Bush doing? Well, Drudge herself reports that Bush “has become isolated and feels betrayed by key officials… Mr. Bush maintains daily contact with only four people: first lady Laura Bush, his mother, Barbara Bush, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Undersecretary of State Karen Hughes.”
Where’s Dick (other than meeting with Chalabi)? Where’s Donald? Where’s Queen Karl?
Is this any way to run a country?
When will We The People reclaim our house, the WhiteHouse? We The People don’t deserve to have it filled with insipid little tyannts who lock their doors and isolate themselves just because they’re not man enough to face reality!
November 15th, 2005 at 1:52 pm“It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.”
–Abraham Lincoln
Bush less trustworthy than Clinton – poll: http://www.forbes.com/ work/ feeds/ afx/ 2005/ 11/ 15/ afx2338220.html
Poll: Bush approval mark at all-time low
November 15th, 2005 at 1:54 pmhttp://www.cnn.com/ 2005/ POLITICS/ 11/ 14/ bush.poll/
Oh, Saint Georgy Boy Bush. Please say it ain’t so. You’re no longer talking with your father either? Tell us you’re still talking with your Father. Please.
[http://drudgereport.com/flash4.htm - read the last sentence and LOL]
Maybe Georgey Boy Bush will find his WMD? Maybe Chalabi will lead him to the hidden stash? Maybe Georgy Boy Bush’s Father will speak to him again, soon?
Impeach Bush NOW!!!
November 15th, 2005 at 1:57 pmSorry, but I think York is lying. I saw that yesterday and it looked suspect. It is one of those things someone can throw out there and get away with since he will hide behind the claim that he is protecting a source. Someone should call his bluff.
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November 15th, 2005 at 2:10 pmTALK,YALK,TALK,,DISCSS,DISCUSS,DISCUSS,DISCUSS.
ALL OF THIS YIPPEN AND YAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHILE DISCUSSIONS CONTINUE, THE TRUTH OF REALITY IS STILL GOING ON, SOON THE NUMBER WILL BE UP TO 2500 DIED! It truely is a shame that America is still in Doubt about the UNJUSTIFIED WAR ON SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN TERRORISTS BUT REALITY IS A WAR FOR THE CAPITALIST GREEDY OIL LOVING OLD FARTS IN THE WORLD!
read below!
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November 15th, 2005 at 2:16 pmHey “.”/Dot/Che/GOI, we aren’t the folks you should be convincing. We vote, yell at politicians, raise money and participate. Why don’t you go post this on the freerepublic?
November 15th, 2005 at 2:27 pmhttp://www.counterpunch.org/leopold11152005.html
Secret CIA Testimony Undermines Bush, Again.
November 15th, 2005 at 2:32 pmPresident George W. Bush’s attempt Friday to silence critics who say his administration manipulated prewar intelligence on Iraq is undercut by congressional testimony given in February 2001 by former CIA Director George Tenet, who said that Iraq posed no immediate threat to the United States or other countries in the Middle East.
By JASON LEOPOLD
truth hurts. I was there. so was my Daughter.
November 15th, 2005 at 2:33 pmI hate it when Soldiers Die and all we can do is argue.
GET THE TROOPS HOME NOW!
America is corrupting , killing, hurting the entire world with it capitalist free REPUBLICAN/DEMOCRACY!
BOTH SIDES WAS AND ARE AND WILL ALLWAYS BE WRONG!!!!
FREEDOM IS NOT FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ryan,
Senator Reid’s plan includes no exit date from Iraq. Instead, in mirrors what has been the administration’s ongoing policy: To have the Iraqis take more responsibility, to say we won’t be in Iraq indefintitely, and to report on progress. So it’s nothing new.
Rumsfeld and Bush have consistently said that our departure from Iraq is condition-based, and this ‘new initiative’ doesn’t change anything. Our military is now as fully engaged as it’s ever been, even more so since we have forces in Syria.
The body bags and mutilated bodies keep coming with no recognition by those responsible that it is our presence in Iraq which is fueling the conflict and there is no end in sight. Those who think that we need to stay longer in Iraq should be on the next plane to Baghdad International.
November 15th, 2005 at 2:36 pmChe/”.”/GOI, you’ve already been outed as a republican sympathy troll. Move on.
November 15th, 2005 at 2:36 pmDon, that’s not true.Don,
You’re wrong - absolutely wrong. Reid’s plan set a requirement that the a DATE MUST BE SET. The plan DID include the language for the creation of an exit date, it just didn’t specify it in the initial language, instead leaving that up to the pentagon to CHOOSE a date.
You are grossly misrepresenting the situation and it’s very irresponsible.
From reid’s plan.
“A Plan for Bringing Our Troops Home. As it lays out a clear strategy with benchmarks, the Bush administration must also provide a campaign plan with estimated dates for the phased redeployment of our troops from Iraq as each condition is met, with the understanding that unexpected contingencies may arise.”
http://reid.senate.gov/record2.cfm?id=248707
November 15th, 2005 at 2:40 pmRyan,may I emphasize differently?
“A Plan for Bringing Our Troops Home. As it lays out a clear strategy with benchmarks, the Bush administration must also provide a campaign plan with estimated dates for the phased redeployment of our troops from Iraq as each condition is met, with the understanding that unexpected contingencies may arise.â€
War is uncontollable murder and chaos. It isn’t a PERT production process with milestones that can be prescribed and met no matter what. Bush is perfectly capable of producing “unexpected contingencies” which will render this plan null and void. In fact, they will occur without any effort on his part.
Bush is also perfectly capable of lying about how many Iraqi units are combat-ready — Rummy has done it consistently for some time now.
I’m also troubled by civilians interfering in the conduct of a war. Micro-managing. What to do? Like the song says: Let’s call the whole thing off. Otherwise it’s more and more body bags unchecked by your precious piece of paper.
November 15th, 2005 at 3:07 pmRyan,
And I missed this. Where is it?
“Reid’s plan set a requirement that the a DATE MUST BE SET. The plan DID include the language for the creation of an exit date, it just didn’t specify it in the initial language, instead leaving that up to the pentagon to CHOOSE a date.”
November 15th, 2005 at 3:10 pmDon, your reading comprehension clearly shows you have republican tendencies.
the Bush administration must also provide a campaign plan with estimated dates
November 15th, 2005 at 3:45 pmDon, your intellectual dishonesty is unbefitting a progressive, clearly you’re a sympathy troll, or nader nitwit. Either way, begone witless fool!
November 15th, 2005 at 3:46 pmAh, Ryan, calm down now
This witless fool is still waiting for your citation on the exit date for Iraq. This is not it, and you know it: ” . . .estimated dates for the phased redeployment of our troops from Iraq” which is loose wording for “whatever.”
November 15th, 2005 at 4:28 pmDon,
Your language parsing is very Scooter Fibby McLibby like. You truly are a republican fool.
November 15th, 2005 at 4:42 pmthe Bush administration must also provide a campaign plan with estimated dates
Yeah, can’t see the requirement for an exit date anywhere.
Wow, Don, what flapjack flipping nightschool did you attend again? The same one MightyHermaphrodite and the rest of your republican fools attended? You’re such a propagandist idiot.
November 15th, 2005 at 4:43 pmRyan says: “So this week the democrats came up with a comprehensive proposal. What did republicans do? They PLAGARIZED the democratic proposal (I’m talking cut and paste here) and tomorrow we’ll surely here the same old republican talking poing (AND LIE) about democrats and ideas. Republicans are clearly the most retarded monkey species around!” and “The plan DID include the language for the creation of an exit date, it just didn’t specify it in the initial language, instead leaving that up to the pentagon to CHOOSE a date.â€
Yahoo says:” . . .the U.S. Senate resolved on Tuesday that Iraqis should start taking the lead in their own security next year to allow a phased withdrawal of U.S. troops. [the administration policy] But the Republican-led Senate rejected Democrats’ demand for Republican President George W. Bush to submit a plan and an estimated timetable to withdraw U.S. forces, a step Bush has vehemently opposed.”
Ah, tough choice, but I’ll go with Yahoo.
November 15th, 2005 at 4:51 pmDon,
So you’re still pretending to be a liberal?
And I posted a LINK you fool to another news outlet. I also pointed a link to the actual proposal from Reid and the democrats.
YOU ARE A FOOL, A LIAR, AND A PARTISAN PROPAGANDIST. YOU ARE TRULY A REPUBLICAN IDIOT!
November 15th, 2005 at 5:02 pmAnd Don,
You clearly can’t read english that Yahoo statement VERIFIES what I said.
“But the Republican-led Senate rejected Democrats’ demand for Republican President George W. Bush to submit a plan and an estimated timetable to withdraw U.S. forces.”
And it didn’t say which party had originated this bill, it’s language, or its proposals did it?
Nope, it didn’t, you dope on a rope!
November 15th, 2005 at 5:08 pmAnother Shot dead square in the NUTZ.
Transcript
Campaign 2004 Debate Series
Authors: Joseph R. Biden, Jr.
Alton Frye
Nancy E. Roman
Gordon S. Smith
Council on Foreign Relations
Washington, D.C.
May 13, 2004
[Welcomes etc.]
.
JOE BIDEN;;;; Blah blah lahhhhhh blahhh
…On the Republican side of the equation, the debate was between whether or not the rationale to go to war was this newly articulated doctrine of pre-emption or enforcement. He’s looking at his watch—he’s always been a pain in the ass. I mean, I love him—we’ve been together for 31 years. But here’s the bottom line:
We went to war in Iraq, and we squandered three opportunities—I’ll conclude with this—one, by exaggerating the fact that there was an imminent danger, we squandered the opportunity to generate broader support to go to war later.
The specific case in point, the [Army’s] 4th ID [infantry division] coming down through Turkey. Had that occurred, there would be no Sunni Triangle.
We squandered the opportunity to generate support in Iraq by going [in] with too little power, based on a commitment to [the] ideology that [Secretary of Defense Donald] Rumsfeld supported, which is rational, reasonable but wrong, that we didn’t need as much force.
And we squandered an opportunity for legitimacy by deciding that [Iraqi National Congress leader]Ahmad Chalabi should be airlifted into Basra and that the Shi’a would march into Baghdad like Christ went into Jerusalem before he was crucified. The crucifixion took place early.
Right in the Grill. *-=[]8^P) –AJ
November 15th, 2005 at 5:17 pmRyan says: “What did republicans do? They PLAGARIZED the democratic proposal (I’m talking cut and paste here).”
And then he says: “But the Republican-led Senate rejected Democrats’ demand for Republican President George W. Bush to submit a plan and an estimated timetable to withdraw U.S. forces.â€
And I’m the witless fool? A dope on a rope? A fool? A liar? Ha. No wonder Dems lose. Come on, Ryan, admit you blew it. Don’t be just another party hack. Get some standards. Wrong is wrong no matter who does it. The spineless Democrat party with their Bush-lite candidates, their chicken hawk senators and their laughable Out Of Iraq Caucus are a standing joke. Opposition party? Rubber-stamp hacks is more like it. It’d be funny if it weren’t causing so much suffering, or haven’t you looked around lately. Maybe you’ve got it made, but there are young men walking around with serious physical and mental injuries and old folks having to decide between food and medicine, and too many children living in poverty, while Congress votes itself a $30,000 raise and supports the corporate neocon agenda. Ryan, wake up and smell the coffee. You can’t get where you want to go by calling us playground names. Better to hold the Dems feet to the fire and get them to do something, anything, for their constituency. What we have now is taxation without representation.
November 15th, 2005 at 6:00 pmDon,
You’re delusional. You lie, and the quotes prove it.
Mr. Warner said he “..decided to take the Democratic proposal and edit it to his satisfaction in an effort to find common ground between the parties on the issue.”
That would be:
Senator John W. Warner, Republican of Virginia, chairman of the Armed Services Committee
You’re such a republican, and retarded putz.
November 15th, 2005 at 6:04 pmAnd FYI, Don, the ridiculous retard. You believe Yahoo, how about the NYTimes - the ORIGINAL SOURCE of the story.
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2005/ 11/ 15/ politics/ 15cong.html
You’re such a republican tool! And as is now confirmed A LYING FOOL!
November 15th, 2005 at 6:06 pmDon,
You aren’t supporting the democrats, or holding their feet to the fire, you’re presenting almost 100% anti democratic propaganda. Not only are you a LIAR, but if you believe what you say, then you are a DELUSIONAL FOOL.
I disproved your lie - now fvck off you republican sympathy troll!
November 15th, 2005 at 6:07 pmhttp://www.cnn.com/ rssclick/ 2005/ WORLD/ asiapcf/ 11/ 15/ apec.bush.china.ap/ index.html?section=cnn_topstories
LET FREEDOM KILL US. I dont care anymore.
November 15th, 2005 at 8:05 pmi just want out of …..n . america, is that too much to ask?
From David Corn,
“When I made the decision to remove Saddam Hussein from power, Congress approved it with strong bipartisan support.” GWBush
Actually, Congress did not approve Bush’s decision to remove Saddam. In October 2002, the House and Senate approved a resolution that gave Bush the authority to go to war in Iraq if he deemed that appropriate. At the time, Bush and his aides were claiming it was their goal to force Saddam Hussein to give up his weapons of mass destruction and his WMD programs (which, we know now, did not exist). When the resolution passed - and in the weeks after - the White House insisted that Bush was not bent on “regime change” and that he was willing to work within the UN to force Saddam to accept UN inspectors (which Saddam did) in pursuit of the goal of disarming Iraq. Is Bush now saying that he had already resolved to invade Iraq at this point and all his talk about achieving disarmament through the UN process was bunk? Is he rewriting history-or telling us the real truth? In any event, when Bush did order the invasion of Iraq months later in March 2003, he did not ask Congress to vote on his decision to remove Saddam.
November 15th, 2005 at 8:40 pm…and a lot of fundi’s still believe the world is flat and 500 years old and Bush is the second coming.
November 15th, 2005 at 9:12 pmmake that 5000 years old - gotta giv ‘em a little room.
November 15th, 2005 at 9:13 pmBush raps China over freedom, vows to promote democracy in Asia
By Ron Hutcheson
Knight Ridder Newspapers
KYOTO, Japan - President Bush brought his freedom agenda to Asia on Wednesday, taking a swipe at China while extolling Japan as an example of freedom’s power.
Setting the tone for a four-nation swing through the region, Bush told Asian leaders that freedom is on the march and cannot be stopped in their part of the world. He bluntly told Chinese leaders that economic freedom in China would inevitably break their hold on power.
November 15th, 2005 at 9:24 pmRyan says: “So this week the democrats came up with a comprehensive proposal. What did republicans do? They PLAGARIZED (sic) the democratic proposal (I’m talking cut and paste here) and tomorrow we’ll surely here (sic) the same old republican talking poing (sic) (AND LIE) about democrats and ideas. Republicans are clearly the most retarded monkey species around!â€
And then he says: “Mr. Warner said he ‘..decided to take the Democratic proposal and edit it to his satisfaction in an effort to find common ground between the parties on the issue.’That would be:
Senator John W. Warner, Republican of Virginia, chairman of the Armed Services Committee — You’re such a republican, and retarded putz.” (I think he means Warner.)
This is too easy. I don’t have to use any juvenile schoolyard names — that would be overkill. Ryan, do you have any more scoops like this one? (I’m talking cut and paste here.)
November 16th, 2005 at 12:01 amSure Don, do you have any more examples of your inability to read english? This one is so obvious you look like you’re using kindergarten computers for your personal embarrasment :)
Guess NYTimes isn’t a good source for you.
RETARDED REPUBLICAN, clearly you demonstrate why republican home schooling is considered an ‘improvement’ over current republican private schools :)
November 16th, 2005 at 2:13 amDon,
You don’t need names, because you can’t read. How could you possibly spell insults when you can’t even read headlines.
RETARDED REPUBLICAN DUFUS!
Once again, NYTimes source, and the source of your embarrassment.
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2005/ 11/ 15/ politics/ 15cong.html
Don proves why even when proven wrong, republicans are too delusional to admit defeat. Thanks for reinforcing how retarded republicans are don :)
November 16th, 2005 at 2:15 amDon and Ryan;what fun to see the President’s plan work to perfection as the opposition goes after each other. The Congressional Record (page S12739) Sen. Dodd: the amendment (Levin) requires the President w/in 30 days (of enactment) provide a campaign plan and estimated dates. On page S12777, Sen. Warner: the amendments are almost identical except 3 areas………we had the option to draw up an entirely different amendment…..the last paragraph phrases a timetable of withdrawal requiring the President to file a report every 90 days.” The Warner amendment merely excises the parts they don’t like and uses the Levin amendment language in its entirety.
November 16th, 2005 at 6:55 am[…] Prime Minister (of course the deputy PM Ahmed Chalabi met with Rummy the night before as some in the administration “still believe that there were WMD“) Ibrahim al-Jafaari: I was informed that there were 173 detainees held at an Interior Ministry prison and they appear to be malnourished. There is also some talk that they were subjected to some kind of torture.” […]
November 16th, 2005 at 9:58 am…and a lot of fundi’s still believe the world is flat and 500 years old and Bush is the second coming.
Comment by tomz
….and a lot of Walking Dead Losers like you think you’re going to escape being held accountable for your treason agaist this country and your hatred of God and His children. Dipshit.
November 16th, 2005 at 10:35 am[…] Think Progress » York: Bush Officials Met With Chalabi Because ‘A Lot Still Believe’ Iraq Had WMD […]
November 16th, 2005 at 11:18 amand your hatred of God and His children. Dipshit.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 16, 2005 @ 10:35 am
If there is someone in this blog who shouldn’t even think of pontificating about hate, is you I-RIGHT-I.
You hate the French, Mexican, blacks, Jews, Catholics, liberals, and women. And I think I’ve left people out of the list.
1.- French, Mexican, blacks, Jews, Muslims, liberals, and women are all children of God.
2.-You hate them all.
3.-You hate the children of god.
Wait… I-RIGHT-I hates Catholics, Jews, blacks, Mexicans, foreigners, and wants women to be subservient? That reminds me of a certain three-letter acronym. Hmmm…
My evidence? Here it is:
I hate the French, they pretty much invented the Filthy Left.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — October 1, 2005 @ 10:28 pm
Hey, what does a Mexcian know about ethics anyway?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — September 25, 2005 @ 12:41 pm
I think the lesson here is that if you can’t say something nice about the Negro in New Orleans, don’t say anything at all.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — September 7, 2005 @ 9:43 am
[Mexican corruption] is a problem but nothing a little Puritan Fundamentalist Christianity couldn’t cure. Ever notice that everything the Catholics touch turns to shit?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — September 22, 2005 @ 2:17 pm
Left wing non religious Jews are the problem. Period. I wonder if the Germans had the same problem with y’all?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — October 20, 2005 @ 4:04 pm
There’s nothing wrong with the South that a few thousand dangling from the nearest light pole Leftists wouldn’t cure.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — September 4, 2005 @ 1:08 pm
We need more women in the kitchen cooking dinner.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 1, 2005 @ 2:47 pm
[Women should NOT vote] Because they f e e l , they don’t think. There are exceptions to the rule and they all agree with me.
November 16th, 2005 at 12:08 pmComment by I-RIGHT-I — November 2, 2005 @ 5:39 pm
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
November 16th, 2005 at 1:18 pm3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
REVELATION CHAPTER 16
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November 16th, 2005 at 1:18 pm1 ¶ And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 ¶ And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
12 ¶ And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 ¶ And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
MizzWrong wouldn’t understand religion if he had a book that explained it to him - oh wait, that’s already the case :)
Republican religious fascists are so consistently mentally retarded - poor pathetic little whackos…
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