Cheney’s Original Critic: Cheney
Cheney’s Original Critic: Cheney
Beyond the numerous and well-documented falsehoods that Vice President Cheney told in the lead-up to the Iraq war, there is another important reason why Cheney’s recent attacks on the opposition are incredibly disingenuous. Cheney was intimately knowledgeable about the danger to national and international security that would result from an occupation of Iraq, but he callously disregarded those concerns in the lead-up to the war. In 1992, he documented that rationale clearly:
In an interview with the British Broadcasting Corporation in 1992, Cheney said: “If we’d gone to Baghdad and got rid of Saddam Hussein — assuming we could have found him — we’d have had to put a lot of forces in and run him to ground someplace…Then you’ve got to put a new government in his place, and then you’re faced with the question of what kind of government are you going to establish in Iraq? Is it going to be a Kurdish government, or a Shia government or a Sunni government?†Mr. Cheney continued. “How many forces are you going to have to leave there to keep it propped up, how many casualties are you going to take through the course of this operation?†[New York Times, 12/16/03]
Indeed, each of the questions that Cheney posited have yet to be answered after two and a half years of occupation. 2,079 U.S. soldiers have lost their lives, over 15,500 American soldiers have been wounded, $250 billion U.S. taxpayer dollars have been spent, incalculable costs have been dealt to the state of the armed forces and the U.S.’s credibility in the world. Yet Cheney thinks it is irresponsible to criticize him.
Cheney told Russert on Meet the Press in March 2003 that, “from the standpoint of the Iraqi people, my belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators.” But in a speech to the World Petroleum Congress in 2000, Cheney reasoned that when the U.S. goes it alone to try to force political change, “it almost never works.†[Calgary Sun, 6/15/00]
Cheney is quick to chastise those who disagree with his Iraq strategy. But the original critique of Cheney’s strategy came from Cheney himself.
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Condi also said that Saddam was not building nukes before 9/11, didn’t she?
November 17th, 2005 at 11:57 amI guess figures of $$$$$$$ dancing in his head made Cheney rethink.
November 17th, 2005 at 12:01 pmNothing Cheney says anymore means anything. He’s an outrageously angry, bitter, and hateful little bitch faking his way through 3 more years. I don’t even understand why the media reports his outlandish bloviations…I mean, do they expect anything civil, logical, or reasonable?
This is the schoolyard bully just exposed as really being the weak sissy. Cover blown, he can no longer actually fight. Just call names from a distance.
November 17th, 2005 at 12:03 pm“Stay the course is not a strategy. It’s a slogan.”
-Sen. Carl Levin
November 17th, 2005 at 12:04 pmCheney on Cheney:
“Damn I’m a dick.”
November 17th, 2005 at 12:06 pmThis bears repeating on propagated:
http://democrats.reform.house.gov/IraqOnTheRecord/pdf_admin_iraq_on_the_record_rep.pdf
November 17th, 2005 at 12:07 pmNumber of “Misleading statements” leading up to war according to Waxman report:
Bush=55
November 17th, 2005 at 12:10 pmCheney=51
Rice=29
Powell=50
Rumsfeld=52
“from the standpoint of the Iraqi people, my belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators.â€
Dick “Dick” Cheney’s fantasy world is a very dangerous place.
November 17th, 2005 at 12:18 pmOh, but what he said back then was based on different information, a different situation. You see, there was a before 9/11 and an after9/11. After 9/11, the gloves came off. It is a different war we are fighting. The enemy are not in uniforms and do not abide by any international treaties or concepts of morality. If one investigates the run up to the war or questions the elected leaders it undermines the war effort and destroys the troop morale. It is unpatriotic and un American to question the leader or his motives. He is an elected official, and the president of the one world superpower, and he is from a wealthy family, so why would he lie or cheat or steal? Look, it was Democrats who voted for us to go to war. Clinton said Hussein was a threat, as well as many other Democrats. Congress had all the same information that the president had. Whether something is torture or not depends on how you define torture. Anything that saves American lives is worth the cost. Smart bombs only kill enemies of the US. Saddam had WMD, but he is so clever and crafty that he managed to move them all to another country without anyone at all noticing. DeLay was just doing politics as usual, its what everyone does, and therefore it is not illegal. Rove never leaked. It is ok to make a national broadcast to call for the assassination of world leaders. Cheney never had a closed door session with Gannon.
All of the foregoing are lies. This is only a partial list of the rhetorical lies. All are easily refuted (well, I made up the last one, but it is very probably untrue). None are defendable. Try it yourself – make a list of all the “pat” rhetoric they have spewed, list all of their denouncements and statements. You’ll be able to fill a small(?) book with lies (apologies, AC) from this administration. Hell, just focus on the trolls repeated talking points and you will have more than enough.
November 17th, 2005 at 12:28 pm“Go F*ck Yourself Mr. Cheney.” – Dr. Ben Marble
November 17th, 2005 at 12:28 pm“Go F*ck Yourself Mr. Cheney.â€
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November 17th, 2005 at 12:34 pmThis unraveling has been a shocking display of bad political tactics, deception, cover-ups, backstabbing, etc. Indeed a Greek tradgedy playing out in the halls of power. Meanwhile the casualties in Iraq spike sharply….no end in sight. I want Bush and Cheney removed from power (and I don’t care how) more than anyone but our kids are hunkered down in the sand while these fuc*tards figure out how they can best defend their lie campaign. Someone in the this administration needs to step back and take a long, hard look at how we fix this mess and they need to make a decisive move NOW! Stop pretending that barreling ahead in Iraq is the answer. It’s time to reach out and cooperate with those opposed to the rigid BushCo approach. Reach out to the leaders of the insurgency, start offering contracting jobs to Iraqis, stop building permanent bases, get the mercenaries out of there, het the Halliburton’s out of there, give them back their oil! It’s over. It failed! We lost, now send our guys (and girls) home while they’re still in one piece for the love of God!
November 17th, 2005 at 12:37 pmThe issue for young people is that all the the World’s viable oil feilds have been discovered, and the capacity of the oil fields have been estimated. Our country’s main objective from now on is to secure the last of the World’s oil fields in order to maintain our status as having the “best way of life†and the most powerful military. Many speculate that our efforts to secure the last of the World’s oil supply will spread our military too thin, not having any real military here at home, and become vulnerable to invasion. It is thought the Chinese will invade and overpower us. Which could easily happen in your lifetime. My advice is for you to learn the Chinese language.
The ANWR has an estimated 300 million barrels of oil, we consume 9 million per day. So when that area is finally torn up, the supply would last 33.3 days.
I expect to be ignored, as this is too real, too scary, and has nothing to do with partisan squabbling.
November 17th, 2005 at 12:40 pmYeah, but Jay? I heard Cheney quote a reporter staged by Cheney who said everything is A-Okay. So Go F*CK yourself!
November 17th, 2005 at 12:41 pmWith any luck, Dick’s shotgun will malfunction on his next duck hunting trip, giving him a ticket to meet his Uncle Satan.
November 17th, 2005 at 12:41 pmFascist PIG!
November 17th, 2005 at 12:47 pmFor Truth. I wholeheartedly agree with what you’ve said and I also fear that your average American isn’t ready to have the End of Oil conversation. I’ve done a lot of reading about it and some observers consider that history will look back on this era as the beginning of the “Oil Wars”. For Americans to buy into the spin that the Iraq wars are not about oil at their core is utterly ignorant of history, context and how geopolitics work.
AtvV, wouldn’t you just love to smack that evil smirk off of Darth Cheney’s mug?
November 17th, 2005 at 12:50 pmFalsehoods? No!?…(much sarcasm)
http://www.illmethinks.com/illmethinks_politiq/2005/11/methinks_thou_d.html
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November 17th, 2005 at 12:51 pmThe scariest part about Dick Cheney, aside from the fact that he survives only because of the baboon heart that pumps blood around his decaying body, is how confidently and visciously he lies. From the Vice Presidential debates in 2004 to his comments at the dinner for Alan Simpson last night, it makes you think he almost believes what he’s lying about.
November 17th, 2005 at 12:52 pmAlthough I’ve posted it many times before, think its worth posting again. A great resource on peak oil and the approaching consequences:
http://www.energybulletin.net/
November 17th, 2005 at 12:53 pmDick Cheney isn’t long for this world. A heart as dark and cluttered as his having to support a body that bloated can’t possibly take much more stress. Bye Dick!
November 17th, 2005 at 12:57 pmForget about partisan politics, the blogospere would be more productive to look at the “Peak Oil” issue, which is very much on the horizon. It applies to all Repubs, Dems, our children, and the survival of our great nation.
November 17th, 2005 at 1:03 pmFirst dump those in power, then deal with peak oil, serious energy conservation and energy alternatives. It can’t happen any other way.
November 17th, 2005 at 1:10 pmAll the current admin could be ousted today, and the main issue is still there. If all the branches of government were controlled by Dems, then the Dems would have to engage in the same crap we are complaining about to maintain the status quo, the dependence on oil. Much larger problem here folks, oil runs the show, not the Bush admin.
November 17th, 2005 at 1:11 pmI think the peak oil issue dwarfs all of the politics as well, but we must end the imcompetent reign of the Oil industry suckups and bedmates before policies for alternative energy sources and a new energy infrastructure can be seriously considered. John Kerry’s best idea while he campaigned was what he deemed a “new Manhattan Project” to end out dependency on oil. It’s not going to happen unless the “leaders” admit that things have to change and are willing to speak this painful truth to the people that are only concerned about what color their next Ipod should be. The will has to be there, the leadership has to drive it. I think the solutions to the technical/scientific/engineering part of the equation will be easy.
Change will come. It must come.
November 17th, 2005 at 1:14 pmI said dump those in power,which includes all democrats and republicans not responsive to the needs of the people.
November 17th, 2005 at 1:14 pmThe Bush admin’s only crime is looking only 50 years ahead of their face. They feel we can’t handle the truth and all they are doing is ultamately for our own good, maintaining the energy we need to live our way of life, and maintain the energy for the most powerful military in the world. Just about all the past admins in the last 50 years have done the same, the differences are how they went about it.
November 17th, 2005 at 1:18 pmFor Truth,
The difference is that many democrats actually want to do the right things. Every effort to focus on more fuel efficient cars, alternative energy sources, etc. by democrats is shot down by republicans.
The fact is we already have both the technology and capabilities to go energy independent – but the oil and auto industry don’t want that move to happen because it’s considered ‘risky’ businesswise for them.
November 17th, 2005 at 1:20 pmWe all need to stop the arguing and get on board with this oil issue, the arguing just puts it off. I agree that all Dems and Repubs who want ot maintain the status quo should be out, and get people in who can take this issue seriously.
November 17th, 2005 at 1:21 pmBUSH — WHAT DID HE KNOW AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT?
Michael O’McCarthy
©
11-09-05
ON 11-08 on HARDBALL THOMAS M. DeFRANK, New York DAILY NEWS Washington bureau chief reported, â€â€¦the distance in the relationship†(between Bush and Cheney,) ‘that this story talks about today actually has been obvious—or not so obvious, but it‘s been there for a couple of years.â€
“I think the president had been concerned about the vice president‘s operation for a lot longer than any of us, any of us knew… I think the fact is, the president has been asking himself what was going on over there for quite a long time.â€
Neither Matthews or Isikoff raised the following OBVIOUS question that leaps out from that reportage:
1-Is this the first indication of the “plausible denial†for Bush?
Early in the days of the Bush regime the VP War Cabal’s intelligence apparatus began to institute a plan either created by the VP, or in collusion with the President that, would protect the President from culpability for taking the US to war on fraudulent grounds if that should become necessary.
(This leaves aside the overriding question of what this cabal knew about 9-11 … though, indeed, therein may lie the greater ‘secret’ which Scooter is protecting.)
Up until reports that George II is in his Bunker and NOT talking to more than a few “close advisors,” he had access to his father … Bush’s father is both a corporate member of the Boy’s boardroom and an ex-head of the CIA. Given that relationship, to assume that the President is ignorant, or without access to the workings of both private sector and government intelligence operations, is at best naïve.
The second question is: What are the Boys in the Boardroom saying: Cheney is both an actor and pawn of the Energy Boys; Bush is the heir to Bush money – oil and banking with intractable interests in the Middle East. Both rose to power and maintain power because of their base in the Corporate-state and the Conevangelical mass movement.
At which point do they act to either bolster the Bush regimes grab for ultimate power, or make the decision that the coup has failed and pink ticket everyone under the President? When to make peace with the institution of the Democratic Party, (the pro-war – continuing Middle East occupation positions of the Bidens and Clintons,) and endorse a middle ground for governance by the more “liberal†wing of their ruling class?
November 17th, 2005 at 1:22 pmWithout trying to seriously conserve or find alternatives in ther meantime?. I think you are a troll For Truth.
November 17th, 2005 at 1:23 pmStealth troll,Sympathy troll, whatever.
The only crime?
Ryan,
It goes back to us, we as a nation put money, power ahead of everything. We get seduced by the power of oil. The people who continuously shoot down alternative energy efforts have that power because we gave it to them, mostly unwittingly. We hate Wal Mart, but we love the rock-bottom prices. Money talks.
November 17th, 2005 at 1:24 pmIt is truly sad to watch and read about this conard propagated by this Administration to put this nation in more harm’s way in Iraq. As the cyberjournalists find more utterings from this Administration’s personnel that belie consistancy of policy, and transparency of process running up to the current war/occupation of Iraq, it becomes painfully obvious that this Administration cares not for small d democracy. Yes, these autocratsandimbeciles are nothing more than powermongers who only care about which way the strongest wind seems to be blowing, in order to keep, sustain and exercise their self-perceived puissance. Scoundrals all of them! -Kevo
November 17th, 2005 at 1:25 pmActually they have the power because most americans aren’t aware of it. When they are, that sort of power goes away…
Americans for the most part are a reasonable lot. A century ago the steel, rail and oil magnates had far greater control on the country than today, and yet when americans realized it, they woke up, broke up the monopolies and changed the course into a more civil society.
While being a cynic, you should remind yourself that american politics is a cycle. It’s not all or nothing, or at least it has never been so in our history – and it’s unlikely this cycle will be different.
November 17th, 2005 at 1:27 pm#32
I feel your anger, I am agry too. The main Bush crime stands, lack of foresight. Yes there are multiple crimes which I consider collateral damage, however the multiple crimes would not happen if it weren’t for the original crime.
November 17th, 2005 at 1:28 pmI would like to thank those who have decided to engage in a civilized discussion here, and have not been abusing others.
November 17th, 2005 at 1:31 pmRyan,
History has never seen what we are seeing today. I am sure you are aware of the list.
Going to war based on a threat.
Ignoring the UN.
Network of “secret prisons”
Unprecidented federal deficit.
States being overridden by Federal Govt.
Ignoring the Geneva Conventions.
I am sure there is more. This could be the beginning of the end here.
November 17th, 2005 at 1:38 pm#21, the good die young; the evil live on and on.
November 17th, 2005 at 2:31 pmCheney is prime example.
He sends our youngest to die in his oil war, while he continues to manipulate facts and carry on his agenda.
Talk about an “evil-doer!”
Sure it has, you forget that in the 30s hoover fired on veterans who were protesting. And lets not forget McCarthy. Lincoln suspended habeus corpus, and sent the troops out that proceeded to kill thousands of NYC citizens.
I agree this administration is aggregious, but we’ve survived aggregious before.
November 17th, 2005 at 2:32 pmWe must reduce dependency on oil. The public can put pressure on the government to encourage the auto industry to invest in R&D in alternative power for cars — But — That will not happen while the politicians are given huge bankrolls by the auto industry.
November 17th, 2005 at 2:45 pmIf one looks at the trillions of dollars spent now just on this war and think about what could have been done at home in just two factors:
1. R&D of alternative fuel.
2. Universal health care, thereby reducing the burden on the employer while guaranteeing medical care for everyone, and freeing up those corporate monies for the R&D.
With Cheney/Bush and the cabal all in cahoots with the oil companies, they will not be encouraged to seek alternative fuels. So the administration must be changed. People with ties to oil and the auto industry will have to be excluded from government positions.
Fossil fuel is a primitive source of energy. When the next government acknowledges that, I think the public will understand and support the alternatives.
VP Cheney is not the only one who flip-flopped on the Iraq war.
Here are two pearls of wisdom from Pres. Bush himself:
“I don’t think our troops ought to be used for what’s called nation-building”
Pres. George Bush, during a debate with then-Vice President Al Gore on Oct. 11, 2000
“Rebuilding Iraq will require a sustained commitment from many nations, including our own: We will remain in Iraq as long as necessary, and not a day more.”
Pres. Bush, during a radio address to the nation on Saturday, March 1, 2003
George W Bush was against nation-building before he was for it.
Also, Faiz fails to address the massive loss of life, infrastructure, and economical damage that Iraq is being submitted to. Not to mention the tremendous obstacles (political , religious, etc.) Iraqis face in rebuilding their country.
November 17th, 2005 at 2:47 pmWell written Faiz, excellent work. If I could have one thing for Christmas, it would be a Q&A with the entire White House, hooked up to lie detectors and the news media voluntarily paying attention to it (that is, not after massive upheaval in the blogopshere).
November 17th, 2005 at 3:04 pmMany of us know that we are faced with some ethical decisions that may require us to make decisions that, when faced with the prospect of unemployment, we make sacrifices that would otherwise be too difficult to bear…
Cheney is a weak man who, when faced with ethical and moral decisions based on loss of lives, he chose to disregard truth, the Constitution, and the basci values of America in the name of his stocks and large corporate interests…
“Irresponsible and Reprehensible” he says? At least I DID NOT defer my obligation! At least I SERVED my country! At least I KNEW my objective!
It is ODD that the two leaders of the country are the TWO LEAST QUALIFIED to have an opinion on how a soldier feels in combat! To me, that is both INSULTING and DISHONORABLE to those who served and are left behind by their budget cuts!
November 17th, 2005 at 3:29 pmSeems that the closer we get to digging out the TRUTH, the louder BushBoy and the Lord of Death-and-Torture yell! Gee, poor Junior…he’s gonna’ come back all jet-lagged and have to face Cindy Sheehan in Crawford again! You know, there really may be something to “There’s No Rest For The Wicked”. Keep a runnin’ and a yellin’ gentlemen….eventually you WILL hit that wall! Remember: Karma spares no one!
November 17th, 2005 at 3:36 pmCheney is a greedy prick. He has no interest in America, only in his own personal gains. Screw him and all the neocon ilk, you have take the country to the brink of the abyss. May the liberals now save America, as so many times in the past, and record this ideological folly so that we may never let it be repeated again.
November 17th, 2005 at 4:27 pmDick Cheney’s outrageous attacks and staggering deceptions regarding the administration’s critics on Iraq brings to mind Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf, Saddam’s former Iraqi Minister of Information, also known as “Baghdad Bob.”
For more on the eery similarities, see:
“DC Dick and Baghdad Bob”
November 17th, 2005 at 4:40 pmDick Cheney: ” How do I lie? Let me count the ways.”
November 17th, 2005 at 5:08 pmI thought Cheney’s speech illustrated why Dems will continue to lose when the issue is NATIONAL SECURITY. Backbone vs. Wimps.
November 17th, 2005 at 8:44 pmReally, then that just shows why republicans delusionally keep dropping like stones in the polls….
MightyStupidWhore, why don’t you go steal from one of your clients, and stop pretending like you’re a real lawyer. Clearly you’re a fraud just like every other republican…
November 17th, 2005 at 8:48 pmAnd which part of Cheney’s speech showed backbone, the part where he lied, or the part where he lied about his lies?
You guys always lie so much it’s hard to know which lie is the original or a coverup.
November 17th, 2005 at 8:49 pmOr maybe it’s like the same kind of flip flopping that Cheney did when he cut all of the defense budgets during the 90s, and then claimed to be pro defense now? Or would that be when he was involved in selling plutonium reactors to Iran and justifying the need for Iran to possess them under Ford, and then flip flopping now and saying they don’t? Or would that be him justifying selling chemical and biological weapons to saddam, and then saying saddam had no right to possess them? Or would it be him claiming the UN was corrupt on the Oil for Food, only to have the Volker report show that Cheney’s Halliburton was one of the biggest crooks?
Which hypocritical contradiction is true? Where is the strength again? Is it perhaps the strength to pretend to have ’strength’ and morals in the face of so many failures and flip flops?
Republicans flip flop so much on so many issues, it’s like watching a schizophrenic hosted talkshows about schizophrenics…
“But it was near the end of 1984, at the height of Cold War tensions, that Cheney told the Washington Post that President Reagan needed to “take a whack†at defense if he wanted to be a credible commander-in-chief. If Reagan “doesn’t really cut defense,†Cheney told the Post, “he becomes the No. 1 special pleader in town.—
November 17th, 2005 at 8:55 pmOPEN LETTER
TO: Dick Cheney… c/o
the WHITE (multimillionaire club) HOUSE
vice_president@whitehouse.gov
PERSONAL PLEASE / Web POST 9/3/2005
.
From Your… EMPLOYER / BOSS
Roger Drowne EC & Other American Citizens…
.
.
Hello Dick-ie
…JAIL IS… NOW… READY… 4 U
& Your Multimillionaire / Law-Less / Friends
4 KILLING AMERICAN DEMOCRACY…
.
People in New Orleans & Iraq… DEAD
.
It Will B One Happy Day For
My Grand Children, Children, And I
2 C U Behind Bars
.
Must be an awful big deal for you to finally appear !
Six days after New Orleans was wiped off the map !
.
_________________
.
While You Are In Jail…
PLEASE SPEND SOME TIME
And READ THIS BELOW ( and the other one )
.
WHEN IN THE COURSE OF HUMAN EVENTS
IT BECOMES NECESSARY for the PEOPLE
of the United States TO ALTER or ABOLISH
the United States Government
as it exists in the year 2001 / 02 / 03 / 04 / 05 / 06
.
Using the Authority, Law, and Intentions of the Constitution
and the Declaration of Independence.
.
And Now the People Step Forward and Charge High Treason,
and Show that Democracy in its roots today, is Corrupt.
.
And that the Constitution has been Altered and Betrayed
in Favor of A Small Group of Millionaires,
.
Over Another…
.
the Governed, the People of the United States.
.
And that the Election Process is UN-fair
and has been Overwhelmed and Monopolized
by Millionaires
and their millions of dollars
.
.
Read the rest – Continued at http://www.RogerART.com
Scroll Down till You see Yellow link to ( Re-Written ) Declaration of Independence
PS. Now Dickie boy…
( I Know by your actions that you do not understand this document.
Please find some school children
to help you understand what the founding
fathers and mothers were talking about )
… Thank You, Roger@RogerART.com
______
NOW… Who is Roger Drowne EC
2 talk 2 the VP of the USA like this…
.
Well… I, Like… All Citizens of the USA
WE the PEOPLE… ARE YOUR… EMPLOYER
.
In Short… Your Boss
.
Roger is of mixed red blood,
Descendent of Deacon Shem Drowne
Who’s silversmith shop was just down the cobblestone lane
from Paul Revere shop
… in Boston, Massachusetts, USA, Earth, 1775
Who’s grasshopper weathervane still…
Sits A-top Fanueill Hall in ( Boston Mass )
______________
Change it, Sign it, Copy, Paste, Send to Dickie, If U Want 2
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