A Toxic Anniversary
A Toxic Anniversary
December 3 will mark the 21st anniversary of the massive toxic-gas release that consumed Bhopal, India, killing some 20,000 and injuring hundreds of thousands more, many permanently.
The Bush administration is commemorating the event in typical fashion: by rolling back the signature post-Bhopal achievement limiting toxic releases in the United States.
The EPA has proposed gutting the Toxics Release Inventory, which was established in Bhopal’s aftermath to encourage the disclosure of data on industrial toxic releases. (The EPA is now accepting public comments on the TRI rule change.) Under this proposal, thousands of chemical facilities would be exempt from reporting their toxic releases and data would be disclosed only every other year; for whole years at a time, we would have no data at all on the country’s toxic releases.
Critically, Bush officials are proposing rolling back these regulations in the face of incredible gains under TRI. Since the program’s inception, releases of the original 299 chemicals tracked by the inventory have plummeted nearly 60 percent. TRI data has empowered environmental groups, the press, and concerned citizens to expose toxic dangers and hold chemical facilities and government accountable for improving public safety.
For the Bush administration — which has consistently undercut standards for toxic pollution – that’s likely been the problem.
– Reece Rushing
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It’s amazing how easily people forget this kind of thing. How do we draw more attention to this issue?
November 18th, 2005 at 4:12 pmI appreciate that Think Progress covers issues that get no play anywhere else.
On the subject of TRI, I would urge people to visit the Environmental Defense Fund’s “scorecard.org” Web site where you can easily check toxic releases using your zip code. It’s a wonderful tool that would not be possible without the data the Bush Administration proposes to limit.
And, let me add that I know for a fact that many folks in the chemical industry use the site for their own purposes (benchmarking, checking the competition, site selection etc.). It’s that good.
This is something we need to make a lot of noise about. Yet another example of the Bush mantra: “The less the public knows about what we’re up to, the better.”
From the EWM archives: “Environmental Disaster: Republicans get Protection in Endangered Species Act.”
November 18th, 2005 at 4:18 pmPut a chemical plant in NeD’s backyard. He loves Bush & his policies and has plenty of free time to complain.
November 18th, 2005 at 4:18 pmdigger,
you can also check out the OMBWatch resource center. It has a few fact sheets and action alerts that people are running. The emails from the action alerts go straight into the EPA docket for public comments and to Congress.
November 18th, 2005 at 4:29 pmNED is enough pollution on his own and doesn’t need our help…can this administration do anything ANYTHING morally sound????
November 18th, 2005 at 4:29 pmIs TP also going to remind us of the anniversary of the chemical attack by Saddam on the Kurds where 300K lost their lives? You’d think that would deserve equal time.
November 18th, 2005 at 4:33 pm#6-
If they do, I hope they remind us that Reagan/Bush supplied them with the weaponry and chemicals.
November 18th, 2005 at 4:37 pm#6 – TP should remind of that anniversary also. They should also remind us where Saddam got those chemical weapons.
November 18th, 2005 at 4:37 pmGeorge W Bush is the Earths nemesis. I hate him.
November 18th, 2005 at 4:41 pmI’m forgetting the source (it was recent) but this EPA action definately qualifies: “this is not pro-business, this is anti-humanity”.
November 18th, 2005 at 4:49 pmWell, at least Chimpy is consistent.
November 18th, 2005 at 4:59 pmHe seems to be on the evil side of everything.
His supporters love him for that, right?
The wacko and corporate agenda continues, despite polls, despite public opposition, despite their hypocrisy, despite their corruption as we lurch towards their right-wing Utopia. Everyone notes dissention or scandals, but the push for theocracy, plutocracy, tax cuts, neo-racisim, corporate windfalls, and right-wing minority control of this country is continuing to percolte through the system towards success.
November 18th, 2005 at 5:00 pmWhy doesn’t this web site post the other side of the issue, and stop spinning the truth. Yes the TRI data has been helpful in reducing emmissions, but the continued annual reporting has become redundant. Bi-annual reporting will be just as effective. This decision has done nothing more than reduce the administrative burden on the companies, while keeping environmental safety a priority. It is also helping smaller companies tremendously by lowering their cost of operations. IT HELPS THE ECONOMY AT NO EXPENSE TO THE ENVIRONMENT. But of course, you won’t see this type of reasoning on this web site.
November 18th, 2005 at 5:19 pmWhy do the propaganda pimps of ThinkProgress fell it necessary to lie about everything?
From the proposed rule change:
They’re going to fill out a different form??? Form A instead of Form R??? THAT’LL KILL US ALL!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!
Get a grip, you lunatics.
November 18th, 2005 at 5:22 pmHell yeah, wwallace. It’s about time somebody tells it like it is.
November 18th, 2005 at 5:31 pm#13 & 14
Because we are all brainwashed, so you don’t need to try to talk to us anymore. Hurry get away while you can. Hurry, close your browser and never come here again, or you might end up brainwashed too. Hurry, it isn’t too late for you. I will stay here and warn others. Ruuuuunnnnnnn!
November 18th, 2005 at 5:33 pm#13,14.YOUR FREEDOM BUBBLE AS TO WHY???
November 18th, 2005 at 5:40 pmYOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH, BUT HERE IT IS POINT BLANK!
16 ¶ And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
wwalace, Form A reporting is like the short form for taxes. The company who uses it merely has to state what chemical they have. Form R reporting specifies the exact quantity of the stockpile and how much is being released into the land, air and water. The current threshold for form A reporting is 500 pounds. EPA wants to change this to 5,000 pounds. This means that companies will be able to store up to 4,999 pounds of toxic chemicals without specifying how they’re releasing it into the air, land or water. This is just one of three proposals. The most significant one will allow companies to only report on toxic chemicals every other year, leaving a biennial gap in which companies can release as many toxics as they want without telling anyone. The final proposal will allow companies to use the short form (form A) for persistent bioaccumulative toxins (PBTs), some of the most dangerous toxic chemicals around.
November 18th, 2005 at 5:44 pm#6 or when George Bush used chemical weapons on the Iraqis?
US used white phosphorus in Iraq
November 18th, 2005 at 6:05 pmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4440664.stm
Gee #13,
November 18th, 2005 at 6:11 pmI wonder why I see no point is discussing anything
with you?
It might be your friendly name.
Trolls, just foolish trolls.
Go educate yourselves somewhere else.
Come back when you are capable of discussion.
cnorthouse, what you’re saying is all nonsense. You clearly have no idea what environmental regulations require.
Amy, that canard about white phosphorus has already been dispatched numerous times elsewhere, you loon. :()
November 18th, 2005 at 6:19 pmWhy would this disaster be anything less, using contemporary terminology, a terrorist act? Sure, it was unintentional, but negligence can be no excuse. If nothing else, look at the numbers — 20k+ vs. 3k. But no matter – do a merger, shuffle sidewys … poof(!) off the hook. Sickening.
November 18th, 2005 at 6:19 pmWingnuts – Do you seriously believe that the Cheney-Bush administration gives a damn about controlling pollution? These are a couple of oilmen who only care about helping out their buddies in big business. The rest of us can die as far as they’re concerned.
November 18th, 2005 at 6:21 pm#21,
Whatever, troll.
November 18th, 2005 at 6:21 pmYou bring no proof and recite
“fox-speak”.
Be gone troll.
#21
Proof, link, evidence, proof, link, evidence, proof, link, evidence, proof, link, evidence.
November 18th, 2005 at 6:26 pm#23 I have to admit – this WAY predates bush. Having said that, it goes to the core of the repugs – let NOTHING interfere with commerce (as long as you’re not my cometition).
November 18th, 2005 at 6:26 pm#13- There is no truth to the claim that the TRI reductions are over or that the numbers have leveled off. EPA is deceptively making that claim because the total national numbers seem to have leveled off. The reality is that at the community level the changes (both up and down) are still significant each year. What is happening is that the increases in some communities are being offset by reductions in other communities. If I’m in the community with the increases I certainly don’t want to look the other way every other year. Research also shows that any attempt to project toxic releases by using the years before and after would be massively inaccurate.
November 18th, 2005 at 6:34 pmwwallace, dispatched? You mean like all of the incenerated bodies of little children? You talk about protecting babies, all the while defending those that kill them. You’re an evil, hateful and retarded man.
Not only is White Phosphorous banned under several international treaties (which we refuse to sign), but just because a chemical weapon isn’t banned, doesn’t mean it isn’t one. Republican non-logic on this topic is completely hysterical, and the republicans have been debunked and ‘dispatched’ on this repeatedly. WhackoWallace is just projecting is own continuing failures on the topic. It could explain why bush’s approval ratings are the lowest for ANY president at this point in their presidency, even Nixon! Americans hate republican hate values!
November 18th, 2005 at 6:52 pmRyan bin Ladin talks about killing babies, all the while defending those, like Saddam Hussein, who killed them.
November 18th, 2005 at 6:56 pm#21, feigning ignorance is a poor argument. While you’re ignoring what the EPA is up to, millions of pounds of toxic chemicals will go unreported and thousands of chemical facilities will stop reporting the details on toxic chemicals and the 2.8 billion pound reduction in toxic chemicals from 1998 to 2003 will be for not.
November 18th, 2005 at 6:57 pmcnorthouse, I don’t believe you’re feigning anything, I think you really are ignorant. :()
November 18th, 2005 at 6:59 pm#29
Goddamn it. Once and for all:
SADDAM HUSSEIN AND OSAMA BIN LADEN HATE EACH OTHER. GET IT THROUGH YOUR FVCKING HEAD RETARD.
THIS IS FACT. OSAMA IS A ISLAMIC EXTREMIST. SADDAM IS A STRICT SECULARIST. SADDAM WOULD LIKE NOTHING MORE THAN TO LOCK UP OSAMA AND TORTURE HIM.
November 18th, 2005 at 7:01 pmThe Environmental Protection Agency needs to change it’s name to more accurately reflect it’s new mission statement: The Business Protection Agency.
November 18th, 2005 at 7:01 pm“Anybody who says there is no working relationship between al Qaeda and Iraqi intelligence going back to the early ’90s–they can only say that if they’re illiterate. This is a slam dunk.” — James Woolsey, CIA director under President Bill Clinton, November 2003
November 18th, 2005 at 7:03 pm#34
Listen dipsh!t I don’t care about anything that any politician that works for Bush, CLinto, Bush I, Regean, Carter, Ford, Nixon or anybody else for that matter. You have me mixed up with a democrat.
So, here it is, since you are so fvcking dense:
SADDAM HUSSEIN AND OSAMA BIN LADEN HATE EACH OTHER. GET IT THROUGH YOUR FVCKING HEAD RETARD.
THIS IS FACT. OSAMA IS A ISLAMIC EXTREMIST. SADDAM IS A STRICT SECULARIST. SADDAM WOULD LIKE NOTHING MORE THAN TO LOCK UP OSAMA AND TORTURE HIM.
November 18th, 2005 at 7:12 pmSorry Spudge, your word is no good. I’ll believe the intel community before I believe some kook on a left-wing website any day. :()
November 18th, 2005 at 7:14 pmWhy do you stutter wawawallace. Get back to your plastic blow up doll rightwing poof and clean those damn receptical cavities out once in a while.
November 18th, 2005 at 7:30 pm#36
You are quite amazing. The fact that Saddam Hussein is secular doesn’t have to come from the intellegence community, it is widely known fact. You don’t need intellegence to tell you Osama is an extreme Muslim. That is also a widely known fact.
Now, work this up in your pee brain. Why would a hard core secularist work with an Islamic extremist?
That is like saying you and me can work together and that my little looney buddy ain’t ever gonna happen.
November 18th, 2005 at 7:42 pmSpudge, “Why would a hard core secularist work with an Islamic extremist?”
Why did the US and the USSR work together in WWII, moron? :()
November 18th, 2005 at 7:45 pm#39
Because we were not enemies back then you stupid fvck.
November 18th, 2005 at 7:45 pmSpudge, “Because we were not enemies back then…”
Thank you for admitting that ideological opponents, like the US and USSR, or the secular Saddam and the Islamist bin Ladin, can and do unite to fight a common enemy. Thanks for playing. :()
November 18th, 2005 at 7:54 pm#41
How the hell did you get that from what I said? Your an idiot.
November 18th, 2005 at 7:59 pmwwallace,
Rightwing Nazi Fascists are the opposite of any sane person. That’s why you always make the ‘monkey face’, :(), because you’re just a little retarded fascist monkey who simply parrots the idiotic nonsense he’s too stupid to decipher…
November 18th, 2005 at 10:45 pmSays it all really:
“It’s almost as if the motto of the administration in power today in Washington is not
November 19th, 2005 at 11:48 amenvironmental protection, but polluter protection. I find this deeply disturbing.”
–Russell Train, Republican who headed the EPA from 1973-77
Think Prgoress where is the thread about the debates last night? Comeon already, the Democrats freaking walking all ove the Republicans.
The Republicans kept trying to make it seem like the House was debating Rep Murtha’s resolution. Until finally the chair stood up and said “Mr. Speaker, are we debating the Hunter resolution or the Murtha resolution?†First the speaker replied back with “We are debating resolution 571.†the democratic chair then asked “Is resolution 571 Mr Hunters resolution or is it Mr Murtha’s resolution?†to which the Speaker replied “Mr Hunter’sâ€
You see the republicans want the world to think that Mr Murtha wants to “cut and run†Rep Murtha had to repeat himself a couple of times that his resolution did not call for imediate withdrawl and that it in fact called for redeployment.
It was Rep Hunter that put forth a vote on his own resolution to “cut and runâ€
So, the republicans put forth a resolution to “cut and run†in which they planned to vote down their own resolution making everybody think that they had just voted down Rep Murtha’s resolution.
The republicans thought that all of the democrats would vote for “cut and runâ€
To their shock, the democrats voted it down also.
So, any republican that says that democrats wnat to “cut and run†have just lost that talking point.
But, on the flip side watch for this to come from the republicans “Well, the democrats voted to keep our troops in Iraqâ€
November 19th, 2005 at 1:44 pmCalling me names won’t ever change any of the facts I’ve posted, Ryan. :()
November 19th, 2005 at 2:19 pm#46
You don’t post facts. You apparently didn’t get to see your side of the House get completely ripped to shreads last night. I was glued to my seat watching the republicans come unglued on C-Span.
I suggest you go review the tapes before you come here spewing your right wing garbage.
November 19th, 2005 at 2:39 pmCalling me names won’t ever change any of the facts I’ve posted, Ryan. :()
Comment by wwallace – November 19, 2005 @ 2:19 pm
You haven’t posted any facts. What you keep doing is posting your, or someone else’s opinion without any links to back up your assertions.
November 19th, 2005 at 4:15 pm“Anybody who says there is no working relationship between al Qaeda and Iraqi intelligence (…)”
James Woolsey, CIA director under President Bill Clinton, November 2003
Comment by wwallace – November 18, 2005 @ 7:03 pm
That quote came straight out of memo by Douglas Feith “leaked” in an exclusive “scoop” originally published by The Weekly Standard on Nov 24th, 2003 while that media was still drumming up the case for the invasion of Iraq. Check the original article in The Weekly Standard website here: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp
The Weekly Standard has very close ties to the conservative think-tank Project for a New American Century (PNAC).
These are a few of the members of the PNAC:
Ronald Rumsfeld — Current US Secretary of Defence
Dick Cheney — Current vice-President of the US
Paul Wolfowitz — Former Undersecretary of Defence (under Rumsfeld) and current president of the World Bank.
Elliot Abrams — Assistant Secretary of State during the Reagan years and another Iran/Contra player.
Jeb Bush — Current governor of Florida and brother of Pres. Bush
William Kristol — Editor of the Weekly Standard and Chairman of the PNAC
I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby — Former Chief of Staff for VicePres Dick Cheney. Currently under indictment for obstruction of justice.
James Woolsey — Former Director of Central Intelligence in the CIA.
Check the PNAC’s website here: http://www.newamericancentury.org/index.html
Yes, James Woolsey IS a member of the PNAC
The PNAC published an article in The Weekly Standard back in 1998 titled “How to attack Iraq”, where they advocated “to complete the unfinished business of the 1991 Gulf War and get rid of Saddam”.
Furthermore, James Woolsey was one of the signers of a letter 1998 from the PNAC to then-President Clinton urging him to implement “a strategy for removing Saddam’s regime from power”. Mr. Woolsey has been a long-time advocate of a military action against Saddam Hussein.
With that background, it is easy to see why the quote should give everyone pause: The Feith memo is a compilation of inconclusive evidence, and anecdotal stories about Saddam Hussein’s WMDs. It quoted James Woolsey -a known hawk- and was “leaked” to The Weekly Standard -a hawkish media outlet with close ties to the PNAC, which is a neocon outfit.
November 19th, 2005 at 4:17 pmAmy, that canard about white phosphorus has already been dispatched numerous times elsewhere, you loon. :()
Comment by wwallace – November 18, 2005 @ 6:19 pm
You probably mean “debunked” -I don’t know that it has. Do you have any links?
Let’s start from the beginning. From the 1980 Convention on Conventional Weapons (Protocol III):
“1.- It is prohibited in all circumstances to make the civilian population as such, individual civilians or civilian objects the object of attack by incendiary weapons.
2.- It is prohibited in all circumstances to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by air-delivered incendiary weapons.
3.- It is further prohibited to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by means of incendiary weapons other than air-delivered incendiary weapons, except when such military objective is clearly separated from the concentration of civilians and all feasible precautions are taken with a view to limiting the incendiary effects to the military objective and to avoiding, and in any event to minimizing, incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects.”
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/int/convention_conventional-wpns_prot-iii.htm
So, the use prohibits the use of incendiary weapons against civilian populations or against military forces located within concentrations of civilians is clearly prohibited.
White Phosphorus is an incendiary weapon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_incendiary
We already established that, because WP is an incendiary weapon, its use in areas with civilians, or against civilians is prohibited.
Now, I have an eyewitness account I would like to share with you.
This is what Jeff Englehart, an ex-Marine who served in Fallujah, said about the operation in that city:
“We were told going into Fallujah that every single person going into the combat area that was walking, talking, breathing was an enemy combatant.(…) It seemed like just a massive killing of Arabs. It looked like just a massive killing.(…) Burned bodies. Burned children. Burned women. White phosphorus kills indiscriminately.”
Find the full text of his interview here: http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/08/1516227
If you have the stomach, you can follow the links to the video and the photos.
Watch the video, courtesy of RAI News 24, here: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=RAI20051108&articleId=1211
You can see the pictures here: http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/slideshow.asp?gallery=1&id=2
November 19th, 2005 at 4:18 pmMore about White Phosphorus –we have accounts from the US military describing the use of White Phosphorus in Fallujah. From the article “The Fight for Fallujah” published in the March-April 2005 issue of Field Artillery magazine (p. 26):
http://sill-www.army.mil/FAMAG/Previous_Editions/05/mar-apr05/PAGE24-30.pdf
“b. White Phosphorous. WP proved to be an effective and versatile munition. We used it for screening missions at two breeches and, later in the fight, as a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes when we could not get effects on them with HE [High Explosives]. We fired ’shake and bake’ missions at the insurgents, using WP to flush them out and HE to take them out.”
Rounds of phosphorous were fired directly at people.
And I also have another eyewitness account. From a North County Times article, in the section titled “Shake ‘n’ bake”:
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/04/11/military/iraq/19_30_504_10_04.txt
“‘Gun up!’ Millikin yelled when they finished a few seconds later, grabbing a white phosphorus round from a nearby ammo can and holding it over the tube.
‘Fire!’ Bogert yelled, as Millikin dropped it.
The boom kicked dust around the pit as they ran through the drill again and again, sending a mixture of burning white phosphorus and high explosives they call “shake ‘n’ bake” into a cluster of buildings where insurgents have been spotted all week.”
Here we have a description of phosphorous rounds being fired within city limits, into buildings, directly at people.
Do you have any links, sources, reports that “debunk” these accounts?
November 19th, 2005 at 4:27 pmGregor, thank you for clarifying further that you were not on the side of the US in the battle for Fallujah, but on the side of the terrorists.
November 19th, 2005 at 9:16 pmPosting “you haven’t posted any facts” will not change any of the facts I’ve posted. :()
November 19th, 2005 at 9:17 pmPosting “you haven’t posted any facts†will not change any of the facts I’ve posted. :()
Comment by wwallace — November 19, 2005 @ 9:17 pm
Until you can back up what you have posted with links, they are nothing but assertions. Not facts.
November 20th, 2005 at 12:22 amGregor, thank you for clarifying further that you were not on the side of the US in the battle for Fallujah, but on the side of the terrorists.
Comment by wwallace — November 19, 2005 @ 9:16 pm
I have posted eyewitness accounts of what happened in Fallujah. Is that to be on the side of the terrorists?
November 20th, 2005 at 12:23 amwwallace, please post your sources and links to “debunk” the eyewitness acounts of what happened in Fallujah.
Also, if you have them, please post the retractions to the stories both in the Field Artillery magazine, and the North County Times.
Please post evidence that any of these accounts has been “debunked”.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:09 am“Here we have a description of phosphorous rounds being fired within city limits, into buildings, directly at people.”
A literate person would note the difference between “into a cluster of buildings” and “into buildings, directly at people.” Thererfore, Gregor is either a liar or an illiterate. Or, like many on the left, he could be both. :()
November 20th, 2005 at 10:49 amA literate person would note the difference between “into a cluster of buildings” and “into buildings, directly at people.”
Comment by wwallace — November 20, 2005 @ 10:49 am
First, quote the whole passage: “into a cluster of buildings where insurgents have been spotted all week.”
Now, let’s check the dictionary definition of cluster.
Main Entry: clus·ter
Pronunciation: ‘kl&s-t&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English clyster; akin to Old English clott clot
b: a group of buildings and especially houses built close together on a sizable tract in order to preserve open spaces larger than the individual yard for common recreation
It is not just one building, but several built together.
The goal was to hit –and presumably kill– the insurgents that “had been spotted all week”. If the buildings were empty there was no point in shooting the rounds.
Also, please post the link(s), source(s) that “debunk” these accounts.
November 20th, 2005 at 11:01 amGregor, I think killing terrorists is a good thing, a great thing. The more the better. You’re on their side, I am not. That’s where we differ.
November 20th, 2005 at 4:00 pmI think killing terrorists is a good thing, a great thing. The more the better. You’re on their side, I am not. That’s where we differ.
Comment by wwallace — November 20, 2005 @ 4:00 pm
And now you are trying to change the subject. Let me recap how this back-and-forth started.
You stated to another poster how the stories of White Phosphorus use in Fallujah had been “dispatched” a long time ago.
I presumed you meant “debunked” and proceeded to post a few eyewitness accounts of the use of that chemical in Iraq. Your retort? A non sequitur blathering about me supporting “terrorists”.
And here we are again, a few posts later. We have come full circle because you are accusing me –again and with no justification– of being on the side of the “terrorists”.
I have included accounts of children being burned with White Phosphorus. That would be a WMD –the same one Hussein used and was considered a barbaric act as well as a rationale for the invasion.
Once again, please stop pussyfooting and post links and/or sources that dispute, no, make that refute the accounts I have posted. Or admit you do not have them.
And stop trying to change the subject.
November 20th, 2005 at 9:28 pmGlobal warming has some benefits. The new beaches in Sweden brings the beaches right to the babes.
http://www.AlGoreLabs.com
November 21st, 2005 at 1:47 amhttp://www.AlGoreLabs.com
Gregor,
“I have included accounts of children being burned with White Phosphorus.”
And your point is…? People get killed by bullets. Are bullets therefore considered “WMD” now? You’re being blatantly disingenuous with your words.
Saddam Hussein targeted innocent civilians with chemical weapons. You haven’t posted any evidence the US military has done that. You cannot because it is a lie.
November 21st, 2005 at 4:21 pmwwallace,
I am the one being disingenuous?
First, this 2004 CIA report specifically mentions
WP as part of Iraq’s Chemical Weapons/WMD programme: http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/chap5.html
By the US government’s own definition, WP is both a chemical agent and a WMD.
And once again, here is an extract of one of my previous posts –
This is what Jeff Englehart, an ex-Marine who served in Fallujah, said about the operation in that city:
“We were told going into Fallujah that every single person going into the combat area that was walking, talking, breathing was an enemy combatant.(…) It seemed like just a massive killing of Arabs. It looked like just a massive killing.(…) Burned bodies. Burned children. Burned women. White phosphorus kills indiscriminately.”
You have had ample time & opportunity to post the sources that refute the accounts I have posted. Yet, you refuse and/or are unable to do it. Instead you have resorted to rudeness, name-calling, quote mining, and changing the subject.
Now you try to ignore an eyewitness account that clearly states that everyone and anyone within the combat area was declared “enemy combatant”. Even children, who could not possibly be anything but innocent civilians.
As a reminder, you originally stated that stories of the use of WP on Iraqis had been debunked. You are now backpedaling from that contention: Your last post does not dispute the use of WP on Iraqis, only on civilians.
Stop changing the subject. Stop ignoring my previous posts. Stop mis-quoting. And post links pointing to sources that refute the accounts I have posted. Your wanton unwillingness and/or inability to do so mean you have lost the debate.
November 21st, 2005 at 7:17 pmJeff Englehart is a fraud, just like Jimmy Massey.
http://www.mudvillegazette.com/archives/003790.html
November 21st, 2005 at 8:43 pmGregor Samsa: Salute, high five, and “Damn you whupped his hide real good”.
November 22nd, 2005 at 12:22 pmwwallace: STFU. :()
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/134865.php
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:04 pmFirst I would like to thank my brothers in arms for keeping us safe. The reason I say that is I am a veteran and understand where most of our enlisted soldiers background derives from. I can not understand why we can have our youth pledge there future’s before they know what is available to them. For that I would like to introduce a new piece of legislation for the “No Child Left Behind” program. It seems very obvious to me with inflated college rates and economic barriers depriving the masses of our children that we begin to truly prepare them for the real world. I suggest that something as small yet powerful as Life and Health Insuruance classes and Real Estate be taught while still in high school. These classes can be an elective course and would have to be at least a half year class to complete. The idea is simple in that all can not afford or have the ambition for vocational or college classes, yet does that condemn them to low level or service related industry jobs for a paycheck. We can educate our youth to the most basic life skills one can have in investing in yourself and family. The news is out there with the more than 40 million U.S. citizens without healthcare or life insuruance. We can dramatically cut that number by having our youth learn this vital skill while still in high school and for most be able to teach family members the importance of it. This is no different than the teen hispanic child in class learning and using english than coming home and teaching there parents the language. The class can license them just as if they had attended a community college or company, but without the cost. The class would empower our youth that straight out of high school you can have a career that can afford for you and your family to then elevate their lifestyle. We teach marketing and economics in high school but you learn just enough to then have to go to college for some more so-called classes that cause or contribute to more debt than attain an entry level position. I am not putting down the college experience or education just trying to inform my people that this is not the only way. We need to invest in these classes for the reason of saving our youth and giving them an opportunity to create a positive cash flow. Do we really need more jails or rehab centers? If we give them the necessary tools while still in the educational system we can empower. I am 27 yrs. old and a 8yr. army veteran I have a house in Prince George County and believe in my children of today , but know we need to give them more.
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:31 pmi like to tink
November 24th, 2005 at 10:33 pmIt IS a forgotten tragdy. 21years since and the city is yet to find a betting memorial for a disaster so complex.
November 28th, 2005 at 2:25 amHowever this year the govt floated an open design competition to propose a memorial at the Union Carbide grounds.See the proposed scheme/reactions in detail at bhopalmemorial.blogspot.com and bhopal.architeturez.org
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January 1st, 2006 at 1:09 pm