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I am the one being disingenuous?

First, this 2004 CIA report specifically mentions
WP as part of Iraq’s Chemical Weapons/WMD programme: http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/chap5.html

By the US government’s own definition, WP is both a chemical agent and a WMD.

And once again, here is an extract of one of my previous posts –

This is what Jeff Englehart, an ex-Marine who served in Fallujah, said about the operation in that city:

“We were told going into Fallujah that every single person going into the combat area that was walking, talking, breathing was an enemy combatant.(…) It seemed like just a massive killing of Arabs. It looked like just a massive killing.(…) Burned bodies. Burned children. Burned women. White phosphorus kills indiscriminately.”

You have had ample time & opportunity to post the sources that refute the accounts I have posted. Yet, you refuse and/or are unable to do it. Instead you have resorted to rudeness, name-calling, quote mining, and changing the subject.

Now you try to ignore an eyewitness account that clearly states that everyone and anyone within the combat area was declared “enemy combatant”. Even children, who could not possibly be anything but innocent civilians.

As a reminder, you originally stated that stories of the use of WP on Iraqis had been debunked. You are now backpedaling from that contention: Your last post does not dispute the use of WP on Iraqis, only on civilians.

Stop changing the subject. Stop ignoring my previous posts. Stop mis-quoting. And post links pointing to sources that refute the accounts I have posted. Your wanton unwillingness and/or inability to do so mean you have lost the debate.

And your point is…? People get killed by bullets. Are bullets therefore considered “WMD” now? You’re being blatantly disingenuous with your words.

Saddam Hussein targeted innocent civilians with chemical weapons. You haven’t posted any evidence the US military has done that. You cannot because it is a lie.

http://www.AlGoreLabs.com
http://www.AlGoreLabs.com

And now you are trying to change the subject. Let me recap how this back-and-forth started.

You stated to another poster how the stories of White Phosphorus use in Fallujah had been “dispatched” a long time ago.

I presumed you meant “debunked” and proceeded to post a few eyewitness accounts of the use of that chemical in Iraq. Your retort? A non sequitur blathering about me supporting “terrorists”.

And here we are again, a few posts later. We have come full circle because you are accusing me –again and with no justification– of being on the side of the “terrorists”.

I have included accounts of children being burned with White Phosphorus. That would be a WMD –the same one Hussein used and was considered a barbaric act as well as a rationale for the invasion.

Once again, please stop pussyfooting and post links and/or sources that dispute, no, make that refute the accounts I have posted. Or admit you do not have them.

And stop trying to change the subject.

First, quote the whole passage: “into a cluster of buildings where insurgents have been spotted all week.”

Now, let’s check the dictionary definition of cluster.

Main Entry: clus·ter
Pronunciation: ‘kl&s-t&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English clyster; akin to Old English clott clot
b: a group of buildings and especially houses built close together on a sizable tract in order to preserve open spaces larger than the individual yard for common recreation

It is not just one building, but several built together.

The goal was to hit –and presumably kill– the insurgents that “had been spotted all week”. If the buildings were empty there was no point in shooting the rounds.

Also, please post the link(s), source(s) that “debunk” these accounts.

A literate person would note the difference between “into a cluster of buildings” and “into buildings, directly at people.” Thererfore, Gregor is either a liar or an illiterate. Or, like many on the left, he could be both. :()

Also, if you have them, please post the retractions to the stories both in the Field Artillery magazine, and the North County Times.

Please post evidence that any of these accounts has been “debunked”.

I have posted eyewitness accounts of what happened in Fallujah. Is that to be on the side of the terrorists?

Until you can back up what you have posted with links, they are nothing but assertions. Not facts.

“b. White Phosphorous. WP proved to be an effective and versatile munition. We used it for screening missions at two breeches and, later in the fight, as a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes when we could not get effects on them with HE [High Explosives]. We fired ’shake and bake’ missions at the insurgents, using WP to flush them out and HE to take them out.”

Rounds of phosphorous were fired directly at people.

And I also have another eyewitness account. From a North County Times article, in the section titled “Shake ‘n’ bake”:
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/04/11/military/iraq/19_30_504_10_04.txt

“‘Gun up!’ Millikin yelled when they finished a few seconds later, grabbing a white phosphorus round from a nearby ammo can and holding it over the tube.

‘Fire!’ Bogert yelled, as Millikin dropped it.

The boom kicked dust around the pit as they ran through the drill again and again, sending a mixture of burning white phosphorus and high explosives they call “shake ‘n’ bake” into a cluster of buildings where insurgents have been spotted all week.”

Here we have a description of phosphorous rounds being fired within city limits, into buildings, directly at people.

Do you have any links, sources, reports that “debunk” these accounts?