Voter ID Sponsor: If Blacks “Are Not Paid To Vote, They Don’t Go To The Polls”
Voter ID Sponsor: If Blacks “Are Not Paid To Vote, They Don’t Go To The Polls”
Tom Daschle blogged on ThinkProgress yesterday about the problems with a Voter ID bill proposed in Georgia. He called it a “modern day poll-tax” that would make it harder for people to exercise their right to vote.
Apparently, that was the intent. In a memo released today, the bill’s chief sponsor, Rep. Sue Burmeister (R-Augusta), explained the rationale of her bill:
The chief sponsor of Georgia’s voter identification law told the Justice Department that if black people in her district “are not paid to vote, they don’t go to the polls,” and that if fewer blacks vote as a result of the new law, it is only because it would end such voting fraud.
The newly released Justice Department memo quoting state Rep. Sue Burmeister (R-Augusta) was prepared by department lawyers as the federal government considered whether to approve the new law.
As Daschle noted yesterday, the Washington Post reported “A team of Justice Department lawyers and analysts who reviewed a Georgia voter-identification law recommended rejecting it because it was likely to discriminate against black voters,” but were overruled by political appointees.
(HT: War and Piece)
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Typical racist GOP bullshit. Exactly what I have come to expect from the fine white evangelical Christians of the south.
November 18th, 2005 at 3:19 pmThat’s sick.
I’m not sure what part of it is sickest. The fact that such a perception occurs (whether or not it’s accurate) or the fact that they would say it or the fact that they’d base a discriminatory bill on it or….
ick.
It’s just all sick.
November 18th, 2005 at 3:20 pmWow. Yeah the South has come a long way… NOT!
November 18th, 2005 at 3:20 pmI am glad we cleared it up. GOP and Civil Rights protection don’t go together.
Anybody checking if the sponsor of the bill has any connection to American Voter Integity Project?
Phillis Schaefly (what ever her name) has to connected to this in some way, even if it only as a speaker at some conference they both were at.
November 18th, 2005 at 3:21 pmRepublican rascist values at their finest.
November 18th, 2005 at 3:22 pmI am totally outraged over this idiocy. WTF type of brainless twits have been elected into the leadership of this country??? This country seems to be devolving into idiocy.
November 18th, 2005 at 3:24 pmHow does this woman know that if blacks don’t get paid they won’t go to the polls? Why is it that they always blame the blacks for everything? This is totally disgusting. What do you expect from the South.
November 18th, 2005 at 3:24 pmStill sputtering and fuming… we need to get this revolution rolling NOW.
November 18th, 2005 at 3:25 pmAs a republican I can say, what the hell was she thinking? Stupid, stupid comment to make.
I do think that the “ID to vote” policy could cause fewer poor people (not African Americans) to vote … they have said in Georgia that they’ll come to you to get you an ID, but it sounds like that it could take a long time for them to come.
Look at this realistically … how many people do you know that don’t have ID. Is it reasonable to assume that it’s the poor that are the most likely to not have ID? How then do we curb voter fraud (by all parties) where people vote under names that are not their own. I’m not looking to disenfranchise anyone … but neither do I like the dead voting in every election.
November 18th, 2005 at 3:29 pmGiacomo,
The dead voter is virtually non-existent in the grand scheme of voting. Most of that is republican hysteria and propaganda that just isn’t true. You’ve been reading too many republican pamphlets.
Show me hwo many dead voters showed up in the last election? I dare you.
November 18th, 2005 at 3:39 pmHow about REAL voter fraud, like Ohio’s special election and the MASSIVE republican voter fraud through diebold machine manipulation.
ISSUE 2 (Allow easier absentee balloting)
PRE-POLLING: 59% Yes, 33% No, 9% Undecided
FINAL RESULT: 36% Yes, 63% No
ISSUE 3 (Revise campaign contribution limits)
PRE-POLLING: 61% Yes, 25% No, 14% Undecided
FINAL RESULT: 33% Yes, 66% No
ISSUE 4 (Ind. Comm. to draw Congressional Districts)
PRE-POLLING: 31% Yes, 45% No, 25% Undecided
FINAL RESULT: 30% Yes, 69% No
ISSUE 5 (Ind. Board instead of Sec. of State to oversee elections)
November 18th, 2005 at 3:42 pmPRE-POLLING: 41% Yes, 43% No, 16% Undecided
FINAL RESULT: 29% Yes, 70% No
Ryan
That arguments a tad misguided and not the point … voter fraud (of the type where someone physically votes for another or in their stead) exists (as well as other types, I know) and should be actively curtailed.
How then do we curtail it without asking for ID. I’m asking, I’m not challenging.
November 18th, 2005 at 3:43 pmDemocrats have just as far to go as well:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ Commentary/ com-11_9_05_RNJ.html
November 18th, 2005 at 3:45 pm#9
I live in GA. The problem is that there are very few places that offer the valid state issued ID card. As an example of just how few places there are, Atlanta has 0 locations to acquire the ID. Now, Atlanta is a metropolitan area with millions of people, yet they don’t have aplce to get these ID’s. So tell me how difficult it will be for poor folks in the rural areas of Georgia to obtain one? The rural areas have no public transportation at all. How are they supposed to get an ID? I’m ashamed of my state for this blatant attempt to disenfranchise poor voters in rural areas.
November 18th, 2005 at 3:46 pmI wish for all fraud to stop …
We all know pre-polling is hugely error prone … while those numbers may seem fishy, they in no way prove anything … remember correlation does not equal causation.
November 18th, 2005 at 3:46 pmI live in a small community of about 8,000 people. You go to the polls,give them your name,they check it off and you get a ballot and vote. What is the problem? I don’t think you should not have to show a ID.
November 18th, 2005 at 3:48 pm“We all know pre-polling is hugely error prone …”GeoMetro, the no where fast republican
That’s bullshit. Pre-polling is reasonably accurate historically - that’s what the margin of error is you nitwit, and exit polling has also been historically accurate, despite the 2004 election. Only since diebold has the results skewed to the point of mathematical impossiblities, which is what we have in Ohio.
November 18th, 2005 at 3:48 pmStr8up
I hear ya. Until the IDs are easily available, they can’t demand them to vote. We can land a guy on the moon but can’t get a DMV line to move fast and everyone in one single state a valid ID.
November 18th, 2005 at 3:50 pmGeoMetro,
But that’s exactly what the republicans will do. Make it difficult for poor to get them, and still require them. Typical republican voter fraud.
And do the republicans require an ‘id’ be shipped with an absentee ballot?
November 18th, 2005 at 3:52 pmRyan
So, you’re saying that actual polls can be manipulated … but … pre-polls can’t. C’mon Ryan that makes zero sense.
November 18th, 2005 at 3:53 pmWELL, THE AFGANIS AND IRAQIS WERE BRIBED TO VOTE.\
November 18th, 2005 at 3:54 pmFOOD FOR VOTE IS WHAT THEY CALLED IT.
NO VOTE, NO FOOD.
WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
I don’t think this is just a Republican phenomenon … I think both parties tend to be way too fast and loose with the voting rules (and the campaign contribution rules, etc.).
November 18th, 2005 at 3:55 pmPerhaps this Republican witch should be more concerned with a valid voting paper trail in her state first.
November 18th, 2005 at 3:55 pmI’m no going to waste my time on this idiot from GA. Racist idiot.
November 18th, 2005 at 3:56 pmWHAT SHE MEANT TO SAY WAS”fire me, “
November 18th, 2005 at 3:57 pm#7 - She tried to pay them to vote for her.
This whole thing is shameful.
November 18th, 2005 at 3:59 pmGiacomo,
You’re wrong. It’s almost completely a republican problem at this point, because the REAL voter fraud is Diebold, Triad and other REPUBLICAN rigged voting machines.
November 18th, 2005 at 4:00 pmSiliconeBoob,
He’s one of yours, aren’t you proud? Republican hatred and stupidity in its natural form.
November 18th, 2005 at 4:00 pm#23… what was that?
Oh, oh, you mean HER. :D Phew.
November 18th, 2005 at 4:03 pmTo say that voting fraud is “completely a republican problem at this point” is so overly simplistic. I think we can both agree that making sure those that vote in person are the actual persons would be a fair place to start. I agree that computerized voting is an opportunity for a hacker to change votes … so far there’s been only supposition and conjecture that this has happened … no hard evidence.
November 18th, 2005 at 4:09 pmRyan Neat, wasn’t Giacomo being extremely polite in his adressing to you and all the other liberals here? Not only that, but didn’t he agree that voting fraud is wrong and the comments from the Voter ID sponsor were stupid?
What is the point of being needlessly hostile towards him? Doesn’t that make you a bit like the very people you’re criticizing? (”Republican hatred and stupidity in its natural form.”)
November 18th, 2005 at 4:10 pmGiacomo,
No it isn’t. The diebold threat came directly from the GAO report last month. Squabbling about dead people voting ( more of an urban legend than fact ) when actual elections like the one in ohio is being stolen by an organized republican effort is reality.
There has been hard evidence, 2 republican officials in ohio from 2004 were already indicted a couple of months back.
Hard evidence, you mean like the THOUSANDS of people who reported that their vote for Kerry was registered as a vote for Bush? Yeah, no hard evidence.
November 18th, 2005 at 4:12 pmRPin,
I don’t care if he’s linguistically polite, his presence here, and him denying the facts that are in fact proven are hostile by their own right.
You don’t like my language, fine, fvck off.
November 18th, 2005 at 4:14 pmThe 10 States that did not have electronic voting machines all matched exit poll results within 3% of the final results.
Those states that used the new machines (there are now 40 of them that have at least partial deployment) saw as high as a 14% variation from the exit polls. Anything above 3% is considered fraud by international vote monitoring standards used by the UN and our own Pentagon.
There was a bigger discrepency in Ohio, than there was in the Ukraine.
Sorry, but at this point voter fraud is definitely a cornered republican problem.
November 18th, 2005 at 4:16 pmYou can be polite and annoying at the same time. If you have read this site for any amount of time you would see that reading rebublican talking points in any fashion gets on your nerves. Giaock strap is here to passively/aggressively undermine. They come and go,or do they?
November 18th, 2005 at 4:18 pmI hope she wrote her apology letter and resignation letter that same evening. Holy blatant racism. To imply black people only vote thru corruption? Did I read that correctly?
Good lord is she an idiot. Moreso than I could ever imagine.
November 18th, 2005 at 4:26 pmWorse than that Punchy — she implied that they are either lazy or greedy AND corrupt. She’s toast.
November 18th, 2005 at 4:32 pmthis all points to a wonderful “democracy” in action…YEAH give the citizens a choice, it’s the only way, woo-hoo!!! what we do matters!!! bull
November 18th, 2005 at 4:34 pm?
So the basis for acting hostile is if you’re “annoyed” with someone or when what they say gets “on your nerves”. I would hope one’s morale compass would dictate otherwise, but what do I know.
November 18th, 2005 at 4:54 pmMy basis for acting hostile is that your entire party is hostile to the american democracy. You are a hostile fascist hate filled set of morons, and I respond to your actions and values within context.
As for one’s personal moral compass dictating actions, when republicans torture, prop up dictators, sell and use WMDs and create international terrorist organizations, one would think they’ve lost the right to lecture on this principle. But then again, I’m thinking, and clearly you’re not.
November 18th, 2005 at 5:01 pmI speak to my audience. Clearly you’re a passive aggressive retarded republican - so I use the language that obviously you’re accustomed to…
November 18th, 2005 at 5:01 pmIt is important to fight for democracy in Iraq to cover-up the fact that it is being dismantelled here in America.
-George W. Bush
November 18th, 2005 at 5:16 pmHow hard is it to get a freaking license in this country, people? C’mon. That’s all you need under this law. SOME FORM OF IDENTIFICATION! It is incredibly irresponsible to NOT identify people who cast a vote. That is inviting voter fraud. This law is incredibly simple, and very easy for people to comply with. JUST A GET A @%$&*^ license, morons! It’s too easy! They’ll bring it to your home, if you are too lazy to get off your ass and head down to the DMV. Then you can exercise your constitutional right, and vote for whatever Democratic moron you want to.
November 18th, 2005 at 5:28 pm#34 Ryan, I read in a Harper’s(?) magazine article that the odds of 26 state exit polls being wrong like they were in the 2004 Presidential election were calculated to be like 26 million to 1. Don’t remembe the exact number.
I was shocked last fall when after the GOP stole the election they had the nerve to stand up to the Ukrainian government because THEIR exit polls diverged so much from the final vote count. Talk about the pot and kettle.
November 18th, 2005 at 5:48 pmHere in Virginia some type of ID is required. I agree one is needed. It at least gives me a chance to cancel one GOP vote. Without it there may be more GOP votes than Repbulican voters.
Get a damn ID and vote! Stop wnning. If you are too god damn afraid to get an ID then maybe you don’t have the courage walk into the voting booth and vote.
Get real. Get serious about being an American citizen. It is your responsibility to perform your civic duty and vote. Nobody gets a free ride, especially from the GOP machine.
November 18th, 2005 at 5:54 pmWho’s “paying” blacks to vote? Does Sue Burmeister have evidence that blacks are being paid to vote? Why are only blacks allegedly being paid?
This is only another pathetic method to try to limit voters that usually vote for Democrats. This has to be quite possibly one of the sickest women on the face of the earth. Just when I think I’ve been about as disgusted as I can become at the republican party something like this comes along and lowers the bar even more. Thank goodness we’re not doing the limbo!
November 18th, 2005 at 6:19 pmMore on the Ohio Elections, and on the discrepency between the polls and the final results.
The Dispatch poll is so accurate at least two academic studies have been published in Public Opinion Quarterly (POQ). The first paper documents that the Dispatch mail-in poll between 1980-1984 was far more accurate than telephone polling. The study showed the Dispatch error rate at only 1.6 percentage points versus phone error rates of 5%. A companion study published in POQ in 2000 dealt specifically with the question of statewide referenda. A quote from the study: “The average error for the Dispatch forecast of these referenda was 5.4 percentage points, compared to 7.2 percentage points for the telephone surveys.”
And what does John Cole (a generally retarded rightwing zealot blogger, who for once sounded like an american?)
“Electronic voting needs to go the way of the Edsel,” said Cole, “if enough of the electorate thinks the vote has been manipulated…that in and of itself does a great deal of damage and should be avoided at all cost.”
November 18th, 2005 at 6:33 pmThis is only another pathetic method to try to limit voters that usually vote for Democrats.
Comment by Mr. Evil — November 18, 2005 @ 6:19 pm
Yep, that is exactly the goal.
I read (I forget where) that Karl Rove is the brains behind that kind of strategy -he is credited for pushing the Tort Reform Plan, which supposedly would limit the support money Democrats get from lawyers and their clients.
Rove is also credited for asking changes be introduced to Social Security, so as to make more Americans believe they are part of the “ownership society”.
Both measures would limit the political and financial support of the Democratic party. One passed, the other failed.
November 18th, 2005 at 7:00 pmSue Burmeister should be ashamed of herself and those who voted for her should begin a recall. What a disgusting person.
November 18th, 2005 at 7:51 pmUnbelievable.
November 18th, 2005 at 8:15 pmEvery time I go and vote, they ask me for my ID, I thought it was normal. What do I know.
November 18th, 2005 at 10:43 pm“if black people in her district “are not paid to vote, they don’t go to the polls,â€
Yep, a lot of that going around in Washington, Missouri, Wisconsin and Ohio to name a few. As long as the Filthy Left is in power there’s going to be more of it. It’s not surprising that the Donks want convicts in and out of jail to be allowed to vote with so many blacks behind bars. That’s a slam dunk. “Here Bro, vote for Hillary and we’ll get you an extra heap’n help’n of dat chocolate pie and an extra hour of TV so’s you can watch Bernie Mac.
“I see dead people, and they all vote Democrat.” HAhahahahaaa
November 19th, 2005 at 9:08 amThink Prgoress where is the thread about the debates last night? Comeon already, the Democrats freaking walking all ove the Republicans.
The Republicans kept trying to make it seem like the House was debating Rep Murtha’s resolution. Until finally the chair stood up and said “Mr. Speaker, are we debating the Hunter resolution or the Murtha resolution?†First the speaker replied back with “We are debating resolution 571.†the democratic chair then asked “Is resolution 571 Mr Hunters resolution or is it Mr Murtha’s resolution?†to which the Speaker replied “Mr Hunter’sâ€
You see the republicans want the world to think that Mr Murtha wants to “cut and run†Rep Murtha had to repeat himself a couple of times that his resolution did not call for imediate withdrawl and that it in fact called for redeployment.
It was Rep Hunter that put forth a vote on his own resolution to “cut and runâ€
So, the republicans put forth a resolution to “cut and run†in which they planned to vote down their own resolution making everybody think that they had just voted down Rep Murtha’s resolution.
The republicans thought that all of the democrats would vote for “cut and runâ€
To their shock, the democrats voted it down also.
So, any republican that says that democrats wnat to “cut and run†have just lost that talking point.
But, on the flip side watch for this to come from the republicans “Well, the democrats voted to keep our troops in Iraqâ€
November 19th, 2005 at 1:44 pmIt’s so funny to hear the retarded mythology of reichwingers about vote fraud, yet when honest to goodness real fraud happens that’s so blatant it sways an election - they’re as silent as space. No outrage, no upset, and even some of the REALLY whackos say they’re happy that the republicans would steal the election because the ends justify the means.
This is why republicans cannot be trusted with our government - they don’t believe in democracy. To a republican voting and democratic values are inconvenient. These radical and dangerous people are fascists, and their values, attitudes and actions prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt! The voting fraud, diebold, triad and all of the other dirty tricks must be stopped, and the republican party must be banned from american politics!
November 19th, 2005 at 2:33 pmAnd lets talk about Florida Republican fraud. Which not only includes florida voting of ‘dead republicans’ through absentee ballots (ironic that MizzWrong would make this claim considering his party has been caught doing it), but also illegal aliens voting, and ’shadow voting’ for people who don’t even exist.
Republican voter fraud is a disease at this point.
University of California, Berkeley, professor Michael Hout compared voting patterns in the Florida counties that used the new machines with those that relied on ballots similar to the multiple-choice forms on standardized tests.
He found differences in those patterns that led him to conclude that computer problems with the new machines had given an edge to Bush. He suggested software glitches could have left some Kerry votes uncounted, or assigned them mistakenly to Bush.
“Statistically what we have is a smoke alarm that’s beeping,” said Hout. “It’s up to the local people in Florida to figure out what to do about it.”
Also in Florida, Democratic congressional candidate Jeff Fisher, who was defeated Nov. 2, said he had seen e-mails outlining a Republican plot to steal the presidential election. The plot, he said, involved election workers who created bogus voter registrations. The workers then rigged computers to show those ghost voters had cast ballots for Bush.
The FBI confirmed that Fisher had filed a complaint and that agents were investigating.
November 19th, 2005 at 6:24 pmSource of that last post, independent-media.tv, sorry forgot to list it…
There’s lots more all around the country. It’s ironic when you hear fat cow idiots like MizzWrong bellowing like it’s time for a milking, when in fact republicans are the source of virtually all reported fraud cases - especially the ones that ‘pan out’.
This is why several investigations are ongoing in ohio and florida in particular where republican audacity is beyond belief!
November 19th, 2005 at 6:26 pmThanks for your sources, Ryan - couldn’t find it at that font of info Indy-bay. I’ll listen to your lectures on voter fraud when you explain why people who are too stupid to punch a chad or pull a lever should be thought intelligent enough to make a decision.
November 19th, 2005 at 8:55 pmMightyHermaphrodite,
Bahaha, that’s really funny. You should ask all of the dead republicans which (or who’s) chad they pulled to be able to vote when you find out…
Maybe you can also explain how republicans mailed out absentee ballots in ohio without including Kerry on it…
As for making fun of the butterfly ballot, maybe you should look at it.
http://www.asktog.com/images/palmballot.jpg
Considering how stupid you are, and how little reading comprehension you’ve proven to have, I bet you’d easily misvoted on one…
Considering how many elderly don’t see as clearly as one would want, your insensitivity to the elderly is consistent with your hatred of ethnic and religious minorities as well. You seem to hate everyone who doesn’t match your idiotic and terroristic hate personality…
November 20th, 2005 at 4:39 amOh and you whackos of the rightwing used to openly comment on blacks in the south as you disenfranchised their vote, the same as you’ve clearly done to retirees and jews living in florida. For someone who ‘claims’ to be jewish, your insensitivity, bigotry and the ease with which you disenfranchise, cheat and steal is truly something to despise. You are an evil and hateful beast, and unworthy to call yourself an american! You are unworthy of citizenship in this country!
November 20th, 2005 at 5:05 amThey have people to assist the elderly RyANNe - your mom told me. Grab a box of doughnuts and cigs on the way out, OK? (Polls found that dumb Dem voters like these things best.)
November 20th, 2005 at 7:46 pm“Many Jewish and elderly voters received defective and complicated ballots that may have produced “overvotes†and “undervotes;â€â€
Comment by Ryan Neat
One thing you neglect to mention that makes this all so funny…the folks in the affected polling areas that were running the show were ALL Donk officials. But that figures doesn’t it?
November 21st, 2005 at 9:42 amDaschle and Gephardt were for bush’s bankruptcy bill.
November 21st, 2005 at 10:20 pmWe in California have taken election fraud to a whole new level! Our unions pay off dems to vote for raises that bankrupt our state and then use OUR money to defeat spending limits on our bankrupt state….Pretty Cool! I’m waiting for Michael Moore to do “Unions & Me” ….still waiting…..where is he…..Michael….?
November 22nd, 2005 at 8:55 amA Phone Call To The Federal Reserve Bank in San Francisco
persoonlijk | Other | 24 November 2005 | 17:44:52
The following is a conversation with Mr. Ron Supinski of the Public Information Department of the San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank. This is an account of that conversation.
CALLER - Mr. Supinski, does my country own the Federal Reserve System?
MR. SUPINSKI - We are an agency of the government.
CALLER - That’s not my question. Is it owned by my country?
MR. SUPINSKI - It is an agency of the government created by congress.
CALLER - Is the Federal Reserve a Corporation?
MR. SUPINSKI - Yes
CALLER - Does my government own any of the stock in the Federal Reserve?
MR. SUPINSKI - No, it is owned by the member banks.
CALLER - Are the member banks private corporations?
MR. SUPINSKI - Yes
CALLER - Are Federal Reserve Notes backed by anything?
MR. SUPINSKI-Yes, by the assets of the Federal Reserve but, primarily by the power of congress to lay tax on the people.
CALLER - Did you say, by the power to collect taxes is what backs Federal Reserve Notes?
MR. SUPINSKI - Yes
CALLER - What are the total assets of the Federal Reserve?
MR. SUPINSKI - The San Francisco Bank has $36 Billion in assets.
CALLER - What are these assets composed of?
MR. SUPINSKI - Gold, the Federal Reserve Bank itself and government securities.
CALLER - What value does the Federal Reserve Bank carry gold per oz. on their books?
MR. SUPINSKI - I don’t have that information but the San Francisco Bank has $1.6 billion in gold.
CALLER - Are you saying the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco has $1.6 billion in gold, the bank itself and the balance of the assets is government securities?
MR. SUPINSKI - Yes.
CALLER - Where does the Federal Reserve get Federal Reserve Notes from?
MR. SUPINSKI - They are authorized by the Treasury.
CALLER - How much does the Federal Reserve pay for a $10 Federal Reserve Note?
MR. SUPINSKI - Fifty to seventy cents.
CALLER - How much do they pay for a $100.00 Federal Reserve Note?
MR. SUPINSKI - The same fifty to seventy cents.
CALLER - To pay only fifty cents for a $100.00 is a tremendous gain, isn’t it?
MR. SUPINSKI - Yes
CALLER - According to the US Treasury, the Federal Reserve pays $20.60 per 1,000 denomination or a little over two cents for a $100.00 bill, is that correct?
MR. SUPINSKI - That is probably close.
CALLER - Doesn’t the Federal Reserve use the Federal Reserve Notes that cost about two cents each to purchase US Bonds from the government?
MR. SUPINSKI - Yes, but there is more to it than that.
CALLER - Basically, that is what happens?
MR. SUPINSKI - Yes, basically you are correct.
CALLER - How many Federal Reserve Notes are in circulation?
MR. SUPINSKI - $263 billion and we can only account for a small percentage.
CALLER - Where did they go?
MR. SUPINSKI - Peoples mattress, buried in their back yards and illegal drug money.
CALLER - Since the debt is payable in Federal Reserve Notes, how can the $4 trillion national debt be paid-off with the total Federal Reserve Notes in circulation?
MR. SUPINSKI - I don’t know.
CALLER - If the Federal Government would collect every Federal Reserve Note in circulation would it be mathematically possible to pay the $4 trillion national debt?
MR. SUPINSKI - No
CALLER - Am I correct when I say, $1 deposited in a member bank $8 can be lent out through Fractional Reserve Policy?
MR. SUPINSKI - About $7.
CALLER - Correct me if I am wrong but, $7 of additional Federal Reserve Notes were never put in circulation. But, for lack of better words were “created out of thin air ” in the form of credits and the two cents per denomination were not paid either. In other words, the Federal Reserve Notes were not physically printed but, in reality were created by a journal entry and lent at interest. Is that correct?
MR. SUPINSKI - Yes
CALLER - Is that the reason there are only $263 billion Federal Reserve Notes in circulation?
MR. SUPINSKI - That is part of the reason.
CALLER - Am I mistaking that when the Federal Reserve Act was passed (on Christmas Eve) in 1913, it transferred the power to coin and issue our nation’s money and to regulate the value thereof from Congress to a Private corporation. And my country now borrows what should be our own money from the Federal Reserve (a private corporation) plus interest. Is that correct and the debt can never be paid off under the current money system of country?
MR. SUPINSKI - Basically, yes.
CALLER - I smell a rat, do you?
MR. SUPINSKI - I am sorry, I can’t answer that, I work here.
CALLER - Has the Federal Reserve ever been independently audited?
MR. SUPINSKI - We are audited.
CALLER - Why is there a current House Resolution 1486 calling for a complete audit of the Federal Reserve by the GAO and why is the Federal Reserve resisting?
MR. SUPINSKI - I don’t know.
CALLER - Does the Federal Reserve regulate the value of Federal Reserve Notes and interest rates?
MR. SUPINSKI - Yes
CALLER - Explain how the Federal Reserve System can be Constitutional if, only the Congress of the US, which comprises of the Senate and the House of representatives has the power to coin and issue our money supply and regulate the value thereof? [Article 1 Section 1 and Section 8] Nowhere, in the Constitution does it give Congress the power or authority to transfer any powers granted under the Constitution to a private corporation or, does it?
MR. SUPINSKI - I am not an expert on constitutional law. I can refer you to our legal department.
CALLER - I can tell you I have read the Constitution. It does NOT provide that any power granted can be transferred to a private corporation. Doesn’t it specifically state, all other powers not granted are reserved to the States and to the citizens? Does that mean to a private corporation?
MR. SUPINSKI - I don’t think so, but we were created by Congress.
CALLER - Would you agree it is our country and it should be our money as provided by our Constitution?
MR. SUPINSKI - I understand what you are saying.
CALLER - Why should we borrow our own money from a private consortium of bankers? Isn’t this why we had a revolution, created a separate sovereign nation and a Bill of Rights?
MR. SUPINSKI - (Declined to answer).
CALLER - Has the Federal Reserve ever been declared constitutional by the Supreme Court?
MR. SUPINSKI - I believe there has been court cases on the matter.
/www.freedomfinancialconsultants.com/declaration.htm
CALLER - Have there been Supreme Court Cases?
MR. SUPINSKI - I think so, but I am not sure.
CALLER - Didn’t the Supreme Court declare unanimously in A.L.A. Schechter Poultry Corp. vs. US and Carter vs. Carter Coal Co. the corporative-state arrangement an unconstitutional delegation of legislative power? [”The power conferred is the power to regulate. This is legislative delegation in its most obnoxious form; for it is not even delegation to an official or an official body, presumptively disinterested, but to private persons.” Carter vs. Carter Coal Co…]
MR. SUPINSKI - I don’t know, I can refer you to our legal department.
CALLER - Isn’t the current money system a house of cards that must fall because, the debt can mathematically never be paid-off?
MR. SUPINSKI - It appears that way. I can tell you have been looking into this matter and are very knowledgeable. However, we do have a solution.
CALLER - What is the solution?
MR. SUPINSKI - The Debit Card.
CALLER - Do you mean under the EFT Act (Electronic Funds Transfer)? Isn’t that very frightening, when one considers the capabilities of computers? It would provide the government and all it’s agencies, including the Federal Reserve such information as: You went to the gas station @ 2:30 and bought $20.00 of unleaded gas @ $3.41 per gallon and then you went to the grocery store @ 2:58 and bought bread, lunch meat and milk for $12.32 and then went to the drug store @ 3:30 and bought cold medicine for $5.62. In other words, they would know where we go, when we went, how much we paid, how much the merchant paid and how much profit he made. Under the EFT they will literally know everything about us. Isn’t that kind of scary?
MR. SUPINSKI - Yes, it makes you wonder.
CALLER - I smell a GIANT RAT that has overthrown my constitution. Aren’t we paying tribute in the form of income taxes to a consortium of private bankers?
MR. SUPINSKI - I can’t call it tribute, it is interest.
CALLER - Haven’t all elected officials taken an oath of office to preserve and defend the Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic? Isn’t the Federal Reserve a domestic enemy?
MR. SUPINSKI - I can’t say that.
CALLER - Our elected officials and members of the Federal Reserve are guilty of aiding and abetting the overthrowing of my Constitution and that is treason. Isn’t the punishment of treason death?
MR. SUPINSKI - I believe so.
CALLER - Thank you for your time and information and if I may say so, I think you should take the necessary steps to protect you and your family and withdraw your money from the banks before the collapse, I am.
MR. SUPINSKI - It doesn’t look good.
CALLER - May God have mercy on the souls who are behind this unconstitutional and criminal act called the Federal Reserve. When the ALMIGHTY MASS awakens to this giant hoax, they will not take it with a grain of salt. It has been a pleasure talking to you and I thank you for your time. I hope you will take my advice before it does collapse.
MR. SUPINSKI - Unfortunately, it does not look good.
CALLER - Have a good day and thanks for your time.
MR. SUPINSKI - Thanks for calling.
From Dan Benham d.benham@worldnet.att.net
November 24th, 2005 at 3:15 pmThanks Ron, I’m going to go kill myself now…you can have my portion of debt….
November 26th, 2005 at 3:07 amI’ll go one step further:A Voter Qualification Test should be administered to weed out those who are politically naive.I care not for whom you vote,just that you know what the hell you’re talking about.
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