A bad time to be a senior administration official.
By on Nov 19th, 2005 at 10:59 am
A bad time to be a senior administration official.
“Legal experts said Fitzgerald’s decision to call upon a new grand jury is all but certainly because he is considering additional criminal charges in the case,” the Washington Post reports.
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I guess the right-wing can stop celebrating now. Doesn’t look like this is going to be one isolated case.
November 19th, 2005 at 11:10 amIs this going to be Rove? Cross your fingers…
November 19th, 2005 at 11:34 amCountdown begins. How long until the first Confused Pubbie says:
“But, but…Libby wasn’t the FIRST leaker! Woodward’s testimony EXONERATES him! Game over, Man! GAME OVER!”
November 19th, 2005 at 11:49 amI gather we are about to witness a battle royal within our own body politik. Will the judiciary continue to pursue executive thugs? Will congressional leaders shake the shackles of partisanship to begin investigating executive thugs? Will executive thugs continue to propagate their Orwellian control over the American people? And, how many more car bombs in Iraq will it take to redeploy our military personnel out of harm’s way? These are just a few questions that will no doubt be entertained, though I suspect quite tragically, over the next three years of this Administration. What is a poor boy to do? -Kevo
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November 19th, 2005 at 12:23 pm.
Fitzgerald is a rabid dog.
He’s Inspector Javert.
He’s Captain Queeg.
He’s Peter Pan.
Just ask Bob Woodward. He knows.
November 19th, 2005 at 1:01 pmis it kinda ‘torture’ cheney, the waiting and all……how do you like it???????
November 19th, 2005 at 1:04 pmObviously there is so much more to this story. Woodward suddenly comes out of the closet.
Merry Fitzmas!
November 19th, 2005 at 1:13 pmThink Prgoress where is the thread about the debates last night? Comeon already, the Democrats freaking walking all ove the Republicans.
The Republicans kept trying to make it seem like the House was debating Rep Murtha’s resolution. Until finally the chair stood up and said “Mr. Speaker, are we debating the Hunter resolution or the Murtha resolution?” First the speaker replied back with “We are debating resolution 571.” the democratic chair then asked “Is resolution 571 Mr Hunters resolution or is it Mr Murtha’s resolution?” to which the Speaker replied “Mr Hunter’s”
You see the republicans want the world to think that Mr Murtha wants to “cut and run” Rep Murtha had to repeat himself a couple of times that his resolution did not call for imediate withdrawl and that it in fact called for redeployment.
It was Rep Hunter that put forth a vote on his own resolution to “cut and run”
So, the republicans put forth a resolution to “cut and run” in which they planned to vote down their own resolution making everybody think that they had just voted down Rep Murtha’s resolution.
The republicans thought that all of the democrats would vote for “cut and run”
To their shock, the democrats voted it down also.
So, any republican that says that democrats wnat to “cut and run” have just lost that talking point.
But, on the flip side watch for this to come from the republicans “Well, the democrats voted to keep our troops in Iraq”
November 19th, 2005 at 1:42 pm“all but certainly because he is considering additional criminal charges in the case.”
What other reason would there be? Fitz doesn’t seem like the kind of guy to go on and on for nothing — like Ken Starr.
November 19th, 2005 at 2:00 pmSpudgeBoy, real Americans know whats going on. The pugs are so desperate they will try anything at this point.
I hope Fitz keeps this investigation open thru the 06 elections. That way when Bushie pulls out his “we’re withdrawing” strategy, the lies and crimes will still be fresh in peoples minds.
Hopefully, Bushie will be impeached by then but a constant offensive on the criminals in charge is a great strategy.
November 19th, 2005 at 2:14 pmFitz won’t stop until all the criminals are doing time. I am glad that I can be patient. It is hard, but I will be patient and see what happens.
This is one big ugly web. You know like when you walk through a web and it sticks to you. As you try to pull it off, you find more and more.
Repubs going down.
November 19th, 2005 at 2:16 pm#11
“SpudgeBoy, real Americans know whats going on. The pugs are so desperate they will try anything at this point.”
Well, not really. This historic debate is not even on the front page of CNN, nope, they got:”Bush: As Iraqis stand up, we will stand down” on the front page.
The New York Times doesn’t have it on the front page, they have: Session Exposes Political Risks Ahead for G.O.P., but this story is about the ‘06 elections, not the debate.
The Washington Post has it with: Lawmakers Reject Immediate Iraq Pullout.
The LA Times has it: Lawmakers Erupt in Debate Over Troop Withdrawal.
Okay, so about half and half. But, how come there is nothing here?
November 19th, 2005 at 2:24 pmSpudge:
I know the MSM’s collective yawn is kind of a letdown. However, personally, I’m smiling because — aside from NewsMax (and maybe Monday’s WSJ) — NO ONE’s taken the GOP bait and played this as “Desperate Dem Cowards Cut and Run on Murtha Resolution.”
The Freepers had 7,000 posts on this last night, all expecting a huge, nation-changing “A-HA!” moment that isn’t coming.
November 19th, 2005 at 2:44 pmI love this passage…
“Whoever’s Woodward’s source probably feels terribly uncomfortable right now,” said E. Lawrence Barcella Jr…a former prosecutor.
Randall D. Eliason…who ran the public corruption unit in the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington, said Fitzgerald is clearly “looking at new defendants or new charges. That is not good news for anybody concerned about their role in Plame’s identity being leaked…”
Ouch and ouch again. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of rascals.
Today on EWM: Bush: “Democrats Killed Jesus, Invented Disco and Drove Me to Drinkâ€
November 19th, 2005 at 2:52 pm#14
RunningDogLackey,
You go that right. Today is a glrious day. The republicans were made to look like complete morons on the House floor. I am amazed at how well Rep Murtha kept taking the legs out from under the republicans.
That guy is a leader. A true inspiration. A man that truly cares about our troops.
November 19th, 2005 at 2:58 pmIt is so funny how uncomfortable the Repablicans are criticizing Murtha. Even funnier is how ineffective the criticism seems to be.
November 19th, 2005 at 3:13 pmSpudgeBoy, real Americans get the facts from sources other than the MSM. The MSM is dead and is irrelevant at this time.
Bushie’s low approval ratings prove it.
November 19th, 2005 at 3:29 pmI don’t consider Think Progress to be MSM. There isn’t even a little grey box postin gon this. Why?
This is huge!
November 19th, 2005 at 3:33 pmI agree SpudgeBoy it is huge. Thinkprogress is probably working on it at this very moment.
Compiling and presenting the facts the way they do takes some time. I gather it should be up soon.
November 19th, 2005 at 4:00 pmNovember 09, 2005
The Advocate
On September 29, 2005, shortly after 8 p.m., Amal Kadhum Swadi, and her
youngest son Safa were arrested by U.S. forces in the Ghazaliya district
of Baghdad on suspicion of planting an improvised explosive device.
They were just leaving their Baghdad home with other family members, and
had opened their garage door to take out the family car, when the Swadi
family were swarmed by multiple Humvees and numerous heavily armed U.S.
Soldiers with weapons drawn.
Haloed by headlights and surrounded by agitated soldiers, mother and son
were separated from each other and hidden from view of other family
members behind a wall of troops and humvees. They were blindfolded and
handcuffed tightly with the plastic zap straps and hoods that have
become potent symbols of the dehumanization Iraqis under occupation.
Ms. Swadi and Safa were made to squat on the highway’s dirt embankment
while Zaid, her eldest son, was issued a handwritten receipt for his
mother and brother. As Zaid yelled into the crowd of soldiers, trying to
get response from his mother, Ms. Swadi and Safa were being packed into
humvees for the trip to the Airport Detention Facility
for further processing,
leaving Zaid in a cloud of dust, clutching his receipt and trying to
console his sobbing sister.
I first met Amal Swadi
in Istanbul,
at the culminating session of The World Tribunal on Iraq
. Ms. Swadi was part of the Iraqi
delegation invited to give testimony on their experiences of occupation;
as a lawyer representing women held in Abu Ghraib and other U.S. and
British detention facilities in Iraq, Ms. Swadi was there to speak on
the degenerating state of human rights.
As I found out, Ms. Swadi
is no stranger to the occupation, or the media
covering it. As a lawyer willing to take on the mass of occupation, she
is well known for her outspoken advocacy for those unfortunates caught
in the machinery of occupation.
Amal Swadi is 52, and was accompanied to the Istanbul tribunal by her
daughter, and eldest son Zaid, who is also a lawyer. At the events
opening party, I was presented to Ms. Swadi and Zaid, whose love and
respect for his mother were instantly apparent. He studied me closely as
I was introduced, and when I put my hand out to shake his mother’s, he
smiled and took it warmly.
Ms. Swadi, a humble religious woman, immediately forgave my lack of
understanding of Islamic culture, and after a short conversation, agreed
to be interviewed (the video of this interview will be available shortly).
Ms. Swadi’s involvement with investigations into female prisoners of the
occupation started when she was told about a message the women detained
in Abu Ghraib were trying to get to the resistance. The message, which
had become public knowledge in the streets of Bagdad, was begging the
resistance to attack Abu Ghraib with rockets, as the women held inside
had given up hope, and could no longer bare the gross abuses and torture
inflicted upon them daily. In Islam, as in Christianity, suicide is
regarded as an ultimate sin, so these women were asking to be killed.
Since then, Ms. Swadi has tirelessly worked for the recognition and
release of these detainees (at the time I met her, she was representing
nine of these shadow women).
Ms. Swadi told me of her visits to Abu Ghraib, and the difficulties she
experienced in trying to gain access to the women held inside, including
U.S. force’s outright denial of the women’s existence. When attempts to
intimidate her did not work, dismissive guardsmen simply turned her
away. When Ms. Swadi returned to Abu Ghraib for her second visit, she
was accompanied by a determination cast in the previous sleepless night.
Her resolve was eventually rewarded, and after waiting all day in one of
the compound’s courtyards under the desert sun, without water or food,
she was finally allowed access to her clients (six in total). Ms. Swadi
told me the emotion of the experience was overwhelming, and she broke
down and sobbed along with the first detainee presented.
Detainees were presented to her in a small, dark cement room that looked
to be set up for interrogations. The women were escorted into the room
through a heavy door behind a chair and desk. The guards accompanying
her remained inches from these broken souls throughout the visits (it is
referred to as being ‘in control’ of their subject).
The first woman detainee presented was a young woman in her 20’s. She
was in poor condition, pale and gaunt, barely able to stand, and looked
to be suffering from mental collapse. The woman stared at the floor, and
when she did finally look up and see her visitor from the outside world,
the two broke down.
During her brief interview, hindered not only by the woman’s captors who
hovered only inches away at all times, but also by the woman’s fragile,
quivering voice, Ms. Swadi learned how this woman’s young son and
brother were killed in front of her during a raid on her home conducted
by U.S. forces. She carried a crudely stitched wound the length of her
forearm, which came from the bayonet of a soldier involved in the raid.
Since her arrest, the woman had been held naked in a small cement cell,
without proper bedding or toilet. The woman spoke of rape and torture at
the hands of her American and Iraqi captors. With Congress being
presented with the images of Iraqi women forced to bare themselves as
U.S. soldiers held guns to their heads, and with the Pentagon’s own
acknowledgment of rape in their detention facilities, it is not hard to
give credence to Ms. Swadi’s claims.
General Antonio Taguba
, appointed
to head the Pentagon’s investigation into Abu Ghraib torture and abuse
allegations (which was restricted to investigation into members of the
800th Military Police Brigade ),
acknowledged that U.S. soldiers participated in rape at the prison. This
acknowledgment came in the form of an inter-Pentagon memo in which
General Taguba referred to images of American guards ‘having sex’ with
female Iraqi detainees.
Mr. Taguba’s choice of language when referring to rape is revealing, and
further clarifies the Pentagon’s desensitized, casual attitude towards
these crimes.
These images clearly depict violent sex crimes
, with
one congressman who was given access to these images collected by the
Pentagon, stating that he believes the release will spark massive
demonstrations and endanger Americans abroad
(hardly the image of ‘consensual sex’ alluded to by Taguba).
General Taguba also reported that U.S. soldiers made videos of these
violent sex crimes
, a
common practice amongst sex offenders, who often take trophies from
their crimes to help them relive the event later; it is a practice that
has aided greatly in prosecuting these offenders and will hopefully do
the same in these cases. General Taguba has also acknowledged at least
two pregnancies resulting from these sex crimes involving female
detainees in Abu Ghraib.
With a recent attempt by the Senate to ban the Pentagon’s use of
torture, and President Bush’s response of threatened veto of this bill,
along with White House negotiations
to exempt the CIA
from any restraint with regards to torture, the image of a systematic
use of torture
becomes
illuminated. For those already aware of the Phoenix Operation
and the CIA’s past
publication of torture manuals, this comes as no surprise.
On January 27, 1997, Baltimore Sun journalists Gary Cohn
, Ginger
Thompson
,
and Mark Matthews ran a story in their paper under the headline “Torture
was taught by CIAâ€. The reporters relied heavily on two manuals printed
by the CIA, and released under pressure from the Sun’s 1994 freedom of
information challenge. The first manual, entitled KUBARAK
Counterintelligence Interrogation- July 1963, along with the updated
Human Resources Exploitation Training Manual-1983 Human Resources
Exploitation Training Manual-1983
, paint a
picture of decades of CIA torture policy.
Although the Pentagon has maintained that these manuals were created
only for educational purposes, in order to help U.S. troops identify
torture facilities, the manuals themselves refute this position.
The 1963 manual states in the section entitled The Coercive
Counterintelligence Interrogation of Resistant Sources that “drugs (and
the other aids discussed in this section) should not be used
persistently to facilitate the interrogative debriefing that follows
capitulation. Their function is to cause capitulation, to aid in the
shift from resistance to cooperation. Once this shift has been
accomplished, coercive techniques should be abandoned both for moral
reasons and because they are unnecessary and even counter-productive.â€
The 1963 version also deals with the layout of ‘interrogation’
facilities, as noted in the Sun’s article. The manual states: “the
electric current should be known in advance, so that transformers or
other modifying devices will be on hand if needed.â€
It is important to note that the updated 1983 manual first came to light
publicly when it was recovered by resistance forces in Guatemala
, who recovered it
from U.S. backed military death squads in that country, who acquired
this manual from the CIA School of the Americas
training camp in Fort Benning, Georgia. It is
also important to note that the U.S. embassy in neighboring Honduras has
been generally accepted as the headquarters of CIA operations in Central
America, with John Negroponte
acting as ambassador
during the bloody 1980’s (the same Negroponte
apointed
ambassador to Iraq when torture policy in Iraq first came to light).
These two manuals, and the visage of years of torture policy in Vietnam
under the watchful eyes of the CIA, leave any argument of ‘rogue
element’ responsibility for torture rather than systematic policy,
totally unbelievable and impotent.
In the closing years of the U.S. occupation of Vietnam, and as it became
more publicly obvious the U.S. was fighting those it claimed to protect
(that in fact attacks on U.S. forces deep inside South Vietnam were
being launched by the South Vietnamese themselves), the CIA launched a
massive counter intelligence campaign aimed at targeting the South
Vietnamese resistance,
code named Phoenix.
With the Phoenix operation, the CIA started to compile lists of
Vietnamese persons of interest. These lists were based on collected data
and information gathered during subject ‘interviews’, and listed men,
women and children as young as 15
and as old as 70.
This intelligence-gathering program was jointly run by US agents and
those they recruited amongst the South Vietnamese forces. The
administration of this program was eventually handed over completely to
South Vietnamese forces, which kept no record of their victims; The CIA
however, did, and by the end of official CIA involvement in Phoenix,
over 20,000 Vietnamese listed had been tortured and murdered.
In 1971, Bart Osborn ,
a former CIA agent, told Congress “I never knew in the course of all
those operations, any detainee to live through his interrogation. They
all died. There was never any reasonable establishment of the fact that
any one of those individuals was, in fact, cooperating with the VC, but
they all died and the majority were either tortured to death or . . .
thrown out of helicopters.”
As Nick Schou reports
, “Operation Phoenix
detainees were tortured with electric shocks applied to their genitals,
while women prisoners were typically raped, occasionally with foreign
objects.†(hauntingly similar to claims of treatment of modern Iraqi
detainees).
Mr. Schou also points out in his article: Operation Phoenix Rises from
the Ashes of History, that the CIA is now employing the Saddam era
Mukhabarat (Iraqi Secret Intelligence similar in scope to the CIA) to
investigate resistance support. Mr. Schou relies on statements by
Vincent Cannistraro, a former chief of CIA counter-terrorism, to
highlight what this means. Cannistraro was quoted in the Sunday
Telegraph as saying “They’re clearly cooking up joint teams to do
Phoenix-like things, like they did in Vietnam.”
As an advocate for those held without charge or trial by an occupation
rooted in illegality, and under the increasing scrutiny of a world
skeptical of U.S. intentions in Iraq, Amal Swadi is a person of interest
indeed.
Amal Swadi and her 17-year-old son Safa, were brought into the heart of
the machinery of occupation for processing. Ms Swadi blindfold and
shackles were removed and she was instructed by her interrogator to
answer questions related to her person.
Ms. Swadi and Safa, were fingerprinted and made to undergo retinal
scans. Her name, her husband’s name, and the names of her children were
all documented. She was also asked her age, her address, and her
occupation. Most alarming however was the collection of data on her
religious status; apparently the U.S. military occupation felt it was
pertinent to document if Ms. Swadi was Shia or Sunni.
What must be addressed is the motivation of U.S. occupational forces in
recording individual’s religious affiliations in a country that is
increasingly being divided along these very same religious lines, both
in reality and by an oversimplified, blood frenzied corporate media
intent on enflaming old rivalries. Why would U.S. forces be creating
databases of information that could further pressurize this unstable
situation (this also at a time of U.S. collusion with Saddam era secret
police)?
During the years of heavy U.N. sanctions, most in Iraq depended upon
government assistance to supplement their nutritional needs. This aid
came in the form of food rations, and was facilitated through the
issuance of ration cards. In order to receive a card, information was
given and processed, but the question of religious affiliation was not
included. Much like in Tito’s Yugoslavia, the secular Saddam era Iraq
did not want religious distinction to become paramount. This lack of
statistical data leaves in question population figures with regards to
religious denomination continually referred to by occupational forces
and parroted by the corporate media.
For Saddam Hussein, as it was for Tito
, national identity was key to
maintaining power, which simply meant stripping religion of any
importance in public life. It was in fact this disregard for religion
that made fundamentalist al-Qa’ida and Saddam Hussein bitter enemies.
The effect of this continual simplification of issues into Shia and
Sunni has helped fuel a civil divide that is now being used as an excuse
for occupation
(Simply argued by both the British and U.S. occupational forces; if we
leave they will kill each other).
It also hints of what was referred to as the ‘Vietnamising of the war’
in the
later stages of that occupation. In an effort to reduce American
casualties, the Pentagon trained native troops to do most of the heavy
casualty fighting of occupation by fueling communist/capitalist phobias
much in the same way religious difference is being highlighted now.
Although Ms. Swadi and Safa’s stories end for the time being on the
limited high note of release (after being ‘tagged’ and ‘processed’ like
livestock, mother and son were released back into the general population
without further harm), the experience forewarns the enormity of the
human rights disaster being perpetrated against the civilian population
of Iraq in the name of democracy. It also explains why this information
remains a mystery to most Americans, as this arrest clearly demonstartes
the tactics used by a corrupt occupation to intimidate any daring to
stand up.
Although generally unreported, this physical and psychological genocide
is well underway and is being carried out by a U.S. Administration and
Pentagon learned in the powers of terrorism and civil divide. It is a
leadership willing to rape, torture, and murder much in the same way the
U.S. war machine did in Vietnam, and as in Vietnam (which saw over 4
million direct deaths and countless others who continue to die from the
arbitrary use of the WMD Agent Orange), this current illegal and
emboldened occupation will likely post similar genocidal tallies if not
made to immediately account for its activities and be held responsible
for these actions.
Andrew Stromotich is an independent journalist and founding member of
Dropframe Communications.
Video interview of Ms. Swadi at the Istanbul WTI shot for Dropframe by
Rana Al-Aioubi and Andrew Stromotich will be released soon at
http://www.dropframe.ca
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Damning evidence?
November 19th, 2005 at 4:09 pmREAL FATHER, the video evidence to the rape and torture of women in Iraq has been in court for some time. It almost went public a couple of months ago when Bushie’s lawyers got a last minute stay.
Yes, this will be damaging to our reputation if that is even possible at this point, but the truth must always be told so we can learn and change.
Thanks.
November 19th, 2005 at 4:20 pmI PRAY THE CHINESE ARREST BUSH WHILE HE IS THERE,HAHAHAHA.
November 19th, 2005 at 4:33 pmI’m sure Bushie will visit the factories that the Chinese slave at for Walmart.
He loves to see real communism in action. He uses the Walmart playbook (business plan) here in America but isn’t pleased with the rebellion he’s met here.
Dismantle Walmart!
November 19th, 2005 at 4:40 pmDismantle Halliburton!
Dismantle the Bushie Commie Party!
Fitzgerald is apparently going after someone else — it might be Cheney — but knowing the maze of deception that this group in the WH is capable of, this is going to take a long, long time.
November 19th, 2005 at 4:45 pmFitz’ old boss has left and a new guy (name?) more friendly to the Bushies is in place now — I hope that if he attempts to reel the line in on Fitz for getting too close to the kingfish, the pressure from the public will not permit it.
As for the MSM, they are yawning again — what is with these guys? They barely mention these news items that are very important to all of us, and continue to focus on the old news — perhaps they think because Libby is charged, that this is old news? Just when I think the MSM has been poked into wakefulness, they slump back again.
This is going to have to be kept up front by the blogs.
Its okay if internet news (blogs)has to do all of the work Marie.
Lets face it, the internet has caused more action than any other method. Grassroot organizations work well within the internet world.
The majority of Americans get their news from the World Wide Web.
Fitz knows how the American People feel at every moment of every day, thats why Bushie hates the internet.
If Fitz’s new boss is a neocon we’ll run him out town too if we have to. Thats what we do.
November 19th, 2005 at 5:51 pmSusan, I AM impressed with the ability of the blogs to influence the news, so I remain hopeful.
November 19th, 2005 at 5:55 pmBush is in China Seeking Political asylum .
November 19th, 2005 at 5:57 pmI didn’t mean to say that the blogs influence the news.
What I meant is the blogs influence ACTION.
We the bloggers and grassroot organizations are responsible for the destruction of the pug party.
November 19th, 2005 at 6:07 pmDont get hopeful. it is blind faith to get hopeful.
Suicide bomber kills 25 at Iraqi funeral
Five U.S. soldiers killed in attacks north of Baghdad
Saturday, November 19, 2005; Posted: 5:40 p.m. EST (22:40 GMT)
November 19th, 2005 at 7:00 pmDon’t forget the 11 (U.S. soldiers) injured.
November 19th, 2005 at 7:11 pmI don’t know where to post this but I have come to the conclusion that if Rove is W’s brain, a gnat would provide more intuitive leadership. When will this blood bath stop?
November 19th, 2005 at 10:37 pmI have friends who are registered republicans (yes, it’s true… some of them are human). And, even though they are for the most part, highly educated, successful people in business, they seem to blindly believe that the Iraq War is justified and Democrats want to cut and run, leaving Osama Bin Laden in control of our destiny.
Of course, it is obvious to those not brainwashed by FOX or some radical, gun toting minister on a pulpit that there is no logic in this belief.
I don’t understand how the spin machine, much like Hitler’s, has persuaded so many people with access to truth. Amazing.
November 20th, 2005 at 9:24 am… It’s beginning to look a LOT like Fitzmas , EVERYWHERE neocons go ! Everybody sing – c’mon , you know the words ! And let’s have another glass of eggnog ( hide the rumballs though – you never know when lil’ “w” might pop up ) ! … ;)
November 20th, 2005 at 11:29 am#33 I don’t know where to post this but I have come to the conclusion that if Rove is W’s brain, a gnat would provide more intuitive leadership. When will this blood bath stop?
Comment by WaltTheMan — November 19, 2005 @ 10:37 pm
Rover is la Cuckrocha. running, from something he cant fight.
the ‘Bath’ is Not over.
Gonna Have a Holiday Break Here.
That is Unless Delay gets charged, which is likely Given his friend Abramoff paralell probs.
MOOoOOOo! }B@(
November 20th, 2005 at 1:53 pm–Aj
re: post #21: I’ve often wondered why there’s so many pictures and videos of the torture and rapes we’ve committed in gitmo, abu gharaib, and the secret prisons we’ve created all over the world.
One answer could be that higher ups like to watch. Maybe Negroponte and some of these other pro torture muckety mucks should be investigated for porn, which is reportedly a no. 1 priority at the Justice dept.
Re: traitorgate: IMO, rove probably orchestrated the entire dirty deal, but I doubt if he or any of the other traitors in our midst will ever come to justice.
November 20th, 2005 at 3:55 pm#38, I think Rove coordinates everything from the political viewpoint (making the Republicans and Bush look great), but I think this entire stinking war, the torture, the hidden prisons, the whole scheme was born of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, and about two dozen other club mates, all learned students of Leo Strauss.
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