Rumsfeld’s Rewrite: “I Didn’t Advocate Invasion”
Rumsfeld’s Rewrite: “I Didn’t Advocate Invasion”
In a striking sign of faltering U.S. efforts in Iraq, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld is now trying to distance himself from the decision to invade Iraq.
In last Sunday’s Washington Post, Rumsfeld downplayed his role significantly:
For there comes a point when even the secretary of defense must realize that “it’s not your decision or even your recommendation,” Rumsfeld reflected with Woodward. By which he meant the Iraq war wasn’t Don Rumsfeld’s decision or recommendation.
Rumsfeld went even further this morning on ABC’s “This Week,” telling George Stephanopoulos that he “didn’t advocate invasion” and in fact, “wasn’t asked” about the decision. [Full transcript below.]
Rumsfeld can’t rewrite history. The truth is, as early as 1998, he signed a letter urging President Clinton to turn his attention “to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam’s regime from power. This will require a full complement of diplomatic, political and military efforts.”
Hours after the 9/11 attacks, Rumsfeld was already urging his aides “to come up with plans for striking Iraq — even though there was no evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the attacks.” According to notes, he wanted “best info fast. Judge whether good enough hit [Saddam Hussein] at same time. Not only [Osama bin Laden].”
Indeed, a Newsweek article from September 2002 described Rumsfeld as “the most visible and certainly the most colorful frontman for attacking Iraq.”
Full ABC transcript:
STEPHANOPOULOS: If you had known that no weapons of mass destruction would be found, would you have advocated invasion?
RUMSFELD: I didn’t advocate invasion.
STEPHANOPOULOS: You didn’t?
RUMSFELD: No, I wasn’t asked. If you read all the books and the things —
STEPHANOPOULOS: Why weren’t you asked? That’s very puzzling.
RUMSFELD: Well, I’m sure the president understood what my views were. But as a technical matter, did he ever look and say, “What should we do? Should we go do this or not do that?” This something the president thought through very carefully.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Are you trying to distance yourself from the war with that –
RUMSFELD: Of course not. Of course not. I agreed completely with the decision to go to war and said that a hundred times. And don’t — don’t even suggest that.
STEPHANOPOULOS: I’m just asking.
RUMSFELD: Well, you know better.
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apologies for the semi OT....read this a few minutes ago.
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At least one Arab television media outlet reported that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the head of the al-Qaida in Iraq, was killed in Iraq on Sunday afternoon when eight terrorists blew themselves up in the in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul.
The unconfirmed report claimed that the explosions occurred after coalition forces surrounded the house in which al-Zarqawi was hiding.
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November 20th, 2005 at 12:28 pmIt was entertaining to see Steph's Round Table respond to Rumsfeld's complete dillusion. One panel member characterized one of Rummy's comments as "hallucinatory".
Rumsfeld is scaring people the way he used to.
November 20th, 2005 at 12:35 pmRummy best resembles that great literary figure from Alice In Wonderland, the Mad Hatter. Too bad Rummy's delusions have caused so much suffering and misery.
November 20th, 2005 at 12:50 pm-Kevo
I feel bad for Rummy. It's not that he has blood on his hands -- it's that the blood is filling up his office and he's about to lose oxygen. He's just trying to share a bit of it with the other architects of war.
November 20th, 2005 at 12:53 pmYou know, 20 years ago before the Intenet really took off, these guys might have gotten away with "I didn't say that" But, with today's technology, not the least of which is Google, these guys can't get away with this bullsh!t.
Don't they know that people can look up exactly what they said on what talk shows?
But, then again, Bush and friends don't use "those Internets"
November 20th, 2005 at 12:54 pmNico,
Don't cite the wikipedia article -- go straight to the CBS information. It's more credible.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:00 pmand, now, since nothing else seems to be working, george is taking up moderation...?????
and he says he doesn't pay any attention to polls...
* After fiercely defending his Iraq policy across Asia, President Bush abruptly toned down his attack on war critics Sunday and said there was nothing unpatriotic about opposing his strategy.
"People should feel comfortable about expressing their opinions about Iraq," Bush said, three days after agreeing with Vice President Dick Cheney that the critics were "reprehensible."
The president also praised Rep. John Murtha as "a fine man" and a strong supporter of the military despite the congressman's call for troop withdrawal as soon as possible. *
then why have you kept calling your critics unpatriotic for so long...? you're a fool, george...
http://takeitpersonally.blogspot.com/2005/11/since-nothing-else-is-working-bush.html
November 20th, 2005 at 1:03 pmyou got it Spudge, pat roberson tried to deny what he said about killing the Vens. Pres, then tried the 'mis-spoke','that's not what I ment' bull and the video nailed him good. Rummy is backpeddling because he knows this war is going downhill fast. It even nails o'lieley when he knows 'it's on tape!'. DUH!
November 20th, 2005 at 1:06 pmRummy has long lived in a world of delusion. Back during his days in the Reagan admin' he was convinced that the Soviets had super weapons in their arsenal. Stealth submarines and planes, super missiles and beam weapons and the fact that we had no solid intel on any of this was proof enough for him that they existed.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:13 pmthe bull shit is catching up with all the scoundrels ,and now pitifullly they all jump ship at the same time .They in fact pushing each other off the plank , not realizing they hanguing themselves with that long rope of public opinion . Now if we can hear one more time from the five times defered hog , the bail out will be complete .
November 20th, 2005 at 1:16 pmJust a few minutes ago I watched Rumsfeld on Blitzer.
At this point it takes a lot to make me angry, but it took these two about 30 seconds. Rumsfeld's arrogance and mastery of circular logic (intelligence reports that Al Quaida were in and around Baghdad are PROOF that intelligence reports that Al Quaida were in and around Baghdad were not wrong)were a transparent display of his contempt for the American public's intelligence.
Blitzer's failure to call him on it only justifies Rummy's contempt.
Infuriating.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:24 pmLIARS LIARS PANTS ON FIRE! as a child would say.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:33 pmSometimes I think a Child has more Understanding than Adults as far as innocence go.
I watched both shows , Blitzer was meek , Rummy drew circles around his hears with the same dialecting and language acrobatics used by the communists of yore .
November 20th, 2005 at 1:37 pmSteph put Rummy on the defense with pointed and well documented questions . Rummy had no alternative but to distance himself from the policies he helped established ...... Finita la comedia !
I hope Steph's gutsy performance will be emulated .
I wish Steph had re-stated this comment by Rummy: "Well, I’m sure the president understood what my views were." Doesn't this mean that Bush was more than aware that Rummy advocated invasion of Iraq? In other words, there was never any need to ask him because he had stated/advocated his case to invade Iraq, over and over and over for more than a decade.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:39 pmWHY DOESN'T THE PRESS ASK ABOUT PNAC? They know he lies.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:40 pmDoes Bush, the tough guy commander, and wearer of codpieces, have the guts to fire such an insidious traitor on his staff?
November 20th, 2005 at 1:46 pmBush Commander In Chief HAAAaaaaa!
November 20th, 2005 at 2:03 pmSpen' all 'is bloody time playin golf 'e does, posin 'or the camera..like e's a Royal e' does.
Damn embarassing that one.
I say, what did that Bolivian Bloke speak o' George?
Right, right, Mr. Danger I recollect.
Yes, Mr. Danger. thats yore Bumbling Leader. Mr. Danger.
Not only that, but e's a Lush, e's a bloody lush, e' shold be workin' o'ertime if this war o' is is so damn 'portant.
#16 Speaking of codpieces, did you notice that Dubya has a jazzy new leather C-in-C jacket for the Asia tour?
It's much manlier than that blue fabric thing he had last year with the HUGE presidential seal on the breast -- you know, the one that made him look like a valet parking attendant at Starfleet Command.
And, no -- he doesn't have the guts to 86 any of these guys...because he knows he's NOTHING without them.
November 20th, 2005 at 2:09 pm#18
"It’s much manlier than that blue fabric thing he had last year with the HUGE presidential seal on the breast — you know, the one that made him look like a valet parking attendant at Starfleet Command."
Heh heh hehe he eh eheheh ehe he.
"Shall I put more dilithium crystals into Air Force One sir?"
November 20th, 2005 at 2:20 pmYou know that part at the end of the movie when the villain, defeated by his own hubris, turns on his minions and they all start quibbling about whose fault it was while they're being hauled away to meet justice? That's the part we're coming to. Pass the popcorn.
November 20th, 2005 at 2:23 pm"Stay the course, Mr. Sulu!"
November 20th, 2005 at 2:24 pm#20
Cheney = Luthor
November 20th, 2005 at 2:29 pmBush = Otis
Certainly no shortage of mixed messages from these clowns.
November 20th, 2005 at 2:30 pm#22
That makes Murtha Superman.
November 20th, 2005 at 2:34 pmSpudge: Bravo!
November 20th, 2005 at 2:36 pmI suspect those who have surrounded W for so long have too much dirt on him to be fired. When you play with people with no morals you risk becoming the target of their immoral behavior. Also known as: making a deal with the devil.
November 20th, 2005 at 2:42 pmDS,
It's also called 'mafia management'...
There are books about the techniques, which are derived from the same machiavelli source as NeoCon philosophies derive. It's why a mob buster like fitzgerald is so appropriate for this administration. I think it was sort of a collective freudian slip for the republican administration to appoint this guy...
November 20th, 2005 at 2:59 pm[...] This is really a very sad situation: when Rumsfeld is actively trying to distance himself from the decision to invade Iraq, you know that things are not going well. [...]
November 20th, 2005 at 3:24 pmWTF? read the definition......
ad·vo·cate
November 20th, 2005 at 3:43 pmTo speak, plead, or argue in favor of. See Synonyms at support.
Those Interested theIraq Report Two[512pg.pdf]
November 20th, 2005 at 3:51 pmdated Jul 2004
The Secretary of Defense said he wasn't consulted on the invasion of Iraq.
November 20th, 2005 at 4:41 pmThat says a lot about this government.
Wilkerson (Powell's Chief of Staff) said today in reply to Rummy and Pace saying they don't know him -- they prove his larger point that no one was consulted. This war was a forgone conclusion - a done deal. They went to war with the people they had: a reluctant Sec'y of State, an incompetent Nat'l Sec. Advisor, a senile Sec'y of Defense, an unprepared military, and a cabal of chickenhawk liars whose greed for oil is unmatched.
Marie - You forgot to mention the idiot Commander-in-Chief.
November 20th, 2005 at 5:04 pm#33 & 34
Right on the money and saying so does not depress the troops, the facts of the case are what depress the troops. They want to come home and are tired of fighting a neverending war. We have the same guys over there. They have been there too long. War is hell. The soldiers should only be made to server in hell for one tour. No more. It isn't a tour, once you are living there.
November 20th, 2005 at 5:27 pm#26 and #27, This is apparently a long, well-recorded and often practiced human foible -- making a deal with the devil. Faust made his deal with Mephistopheles.
November 20th, 2005 at 6:04 pmEarly on in this administration, DiUlio (first appointed as faith-based initiative director or something like that) quit after about 6 months, claiming this was the Mayberry Machiavellis. I didn't like the concept of his office, and I still don't, but he saw the problems here first.
Well -- of the 5l%, he saw them first, after 49% of us saw it BEFORE the election in 2000.
#35, Spudgeboy,
November 20th, 2005 at 6:09 pmAs a former military man, you understand that when we want the troops to come home, and we oppose the Bushies and their war, we ARE supporting the troops.
After all these years, my husband regrets more than ever that he was rejected (for medical reasons) from the army. He says he'd love to be a Vet now and speak with more credibility.
#37
Marie,
I know that the troops have to be seeing the same polls as us and know that America, the real Americans, want them home as soon as possible. But, as Rep Murtha has made quite clear, cut and run is bad policy. We need to start bringing our boys home in a manner that is safe for them. The democrats showed on Friday that the republican talking point of Democrats want to cut and run, was blown out of the water.
Rep Murtha is the kind of guy I would follow onto the battle field. This guy is a frickin' George Patton. He knows what is best to keep our military strong. To keep their moral high. You can't keep your troops moral high is they have nothing to look forward to. If their isn't an ending to their tour, they don't have the same drive to make it. That is where depression sets in. Then battle fatigue. These guys are out there in 124 degree weather, driving around is some very uncomfortable military vehicle, caring 90 pounds of equipment, eating MREs, watching their friends get blown up by IEDs.
I can feel for these guys. I want them to win, just as I want Al-Zarqawi to really be dead. There isn't confirmation yet, but I will keep hoping.
Seeing Rep Murtha over the last few days has made me proud to be an American. He has restored faith in me that our system can and will work for the will of the people.
November 20th, 2005 at 6:45 pmMalkin and More
Sunday blogging about Michelle Malkin and her critics and a lot more.
November 20th, 2005 at 7:06 pm"The truth is, as early as 1998, he signed a letter urging President Clinton to turn his attention “to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam’s regime from power." - Nico
November 20th, 2005 at 7:33 pm**** Do you think the Dem President in 1998 (who talked a good defense game but didn't have the stones to get the job done) was flattered to have a Repub veteran give him some advice??- Nah! You're fogetting that Dems don't have the stomach or the guts to finish an awful job - they are more "sensitive" and favour putting band-aids on the worlds boo-boos.
Rummy is an "old man" (his words, not mine) who has definitely stayed too long at the fair!! He is alternatively contrite and arrogant and at this point may not actually REMEMBER whether he recommended the invasion of Iraq or not. (War in Iraq? What war in Iraq?) By the way, did anyone catch the pics of BushBoy on his mountain bike in China??? He carries his bike around with him on Air Force One! The deaths of American troops mount by the hour and this turkey is toodling around on his bicycle like he ain't got a care in the world!
November 20th, 2005 at 7:51 pm#41
"He carries his bike around with him on Air Force One! The deaths of American troops mount by the hour and this turkey is toodling around on his bicycle like he ain’t got a care in the world!"
Bush: "Oh, it's photo op time again? Should I put on my helmet?"
Cheney: "Oh yes Mr. President. You don't want fall down and get a little bumpy whumpy on your head."
Bush: "Yeah, last time I cried and cried."
Cheney: "I know Mr. President, but you know how the Chinese don't like cry babies."
November 20th, 2005 at 8:18 pm"This must have been a known unknown...or an unknown known..I sometimes get them confused. They could have been North/South/East/West of Tikrit, too.
The man is a megalomaniac...and a helluva lot smarter than the public persona he plas.
November 20th, 2005 at 8:37 pmMightyHermaphrodite, very funny coming for you, a retarded republican. Wasn't it your party who decried Clinton for going into Kosovo? The same president who not only SUCCEEDED in invading, but succeed in occupying? See the difference is Clinton knew what he was doing, and you and the rest of the republican retarded children are inept fools.
You can't tell the difference between a crisis and an issue. You can't tell the difference from cowboy diplomacy and legitimate diplomacy. You can't tell the difference between a war and an occupation.
In reality you're pretty crappy at everything you touch. I hope you have a big malpractice insurance policy, because if the ineptitude you've shown on law and politics on this site is indictive of the shoddy work you do every day, you'll need it.
Republicans are idiots and fools!
November 20th, 2005 at 10:15 pmAnd lets not forget this is the same Rumsfeld who sold PLUTONIUM reactors to Iran, who sold WMDS to Saddam, who sold advanced weaponry to Saddam, and who trained funded, and equipped AlQueda. Not only could he use 'advice', a retirement from a lifetime of failures is also long overdue!
He was a stupid young man, and he's an even more stupid old man!
Sometimes 'stones' like those MightyHermaphrodite has or just the rocks that rattle around in her head, and not what's between her legs. Same is true for the republican chickenhawks! The only stones they have are from the cement skulls!
November 20th, 2005 at 10:27 pmWhat do his soldiers think of that attitude?
November 20th, 2005 at 10:43 pmUsually it takes a week or two for these guys to deny or contadict their statements......this time its minutes!
November 21st, 2005 at 1:24 amThe latest comment I heard from Rummy is "I will not set a time table for withdrawal".
I thought the moron had no say in the matter?
Shut up Rummy, this isn't your war, remember?
November 21st, 2005 at 2:04 amThe war on terrorism is bogus:
November 21st, 2005 at 5:48 amhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1036571,00.html
"The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the 'TV watcher' to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money."
http://thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3836
November 21st, 2005 at 5:51 amRummy´s denial coupled with the WH´s response to the nation that "nobody had it right" (intelligence) in the run-up to the war makes perfect sense if taken as proof that the great President´s warmongering does not convince the public as it once did. I think I am beginnning to see Whitehouse Cabal slipping away under the cover of an all too gullible press, the same press that carried the water for this administration in advocating for war.
November 21st, 2005 at 9:54 amRummy is full of shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is a war criminal and needs to be brought up for his war crimes.
November 21st, 2005 at 11:48 amYes, DAMN IT!!! WHY...why...WHY??? Does NO ONE in the press ever ask him about his 1996 Project for a New American Century (PNAC)....in which RUMSFELD (and Cheney, et al) ADVOCATED THE INVASION OF IRAQ.
BOLD FACED LIES!!!
November 21st, 2005 at 1:26 pmThis is typical behavior for members of this administration: Tell a lie over and over again and soon the American Sheeple will think it is the truth!
Shame on Rumsfeld! Shame on this entire administration! Shame on the members of congress who supported the war because they were worried about their re-elections. Shame on the press for not asking questions sooner avout this war and other Bush Administration issues.
Impeachment articles need to be drawn.....
November 21st, 2005 at 1:26 pmAgreed. Rumsfeld's interview was odd, to say the least. I have a similar entry over at JABBS. I'd welcome your feedback.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:24 pmMy dear RyANNe - I was vocally supportive of Clinton going into Kosovo - I was only sorry he didn't try to help out those poor people in Rwanda. Unlike you, I don't support my party on EVERY issue. (I even have Dem friends - we laugh, arguea and debate. But unlike you, THEY are very smart!!)
November 21st, 2005 at 2:34 pm"then why have you kept calling your critics unpatriotic for so long…? you’re a fool, george…" -profmarc
November 21st, 2005 at 3:26 pm*****You've been hanging out with progs too long, prof. It's called "civility" - just like when Charlie Rangel says, "My good friend, David Drier...". You sound like you teach 6th grade "Social Studies".
Really? You supported Clinton? But you've always written that Clinton did nothing right in foreign policy? Which is the lie, the previous one, or this one. You tell so many, it's hard to determine which psychosis you're in day by day.
November 21st, 2005 at 4:48 pmMightyAphrodite,
How would you know your democratic friends are smart, you've demonstrated no cognitive ability, nor the ability to distinguish anything that resembles reality. My guess is these 'friends' are just more of the voices in your head that tell you to 'kill' the people you don't like...
And I agree with you about Rwanda, as does Bill. He cites it as his one disappointment of his presidency, and I have to agree.
Too bad this administration was equally as inept at Darfur. Since bush was too stupid to learn from vietnam, why would we expect him to be smart enough to learn from Rwanda.
November 21st, 2005 at 4:51 pmRyANNe - I SUPPORTED President Clinton on Kosovo as the thought of ethnic cleansing makes my blood run cold. (Doesn't the fact that I agree with Clinton's Kosovo policy demonstrate cognitive ability - perhaps you should read slowly, think more and shoot your mouth off less - just a friendly suggestion!)
My complaint with Prsident Clinton's foriegn policy (with regard to terrorism) was the treatment of such attacks as a legal matter - his was too much of a fly-swatter approach for me.
November 21st, 2005 at 5:16 pmrun rummy! run! and now, while bush is crumbling and cheney is acting like the desperate psycho that he is--the chickenhawks start saying....hey, i didn't want this war!! don't blame me! f/u rummy, it may take awhile but eventually-if you don't die first-you'll be rounded up for war crimes.
November 21st, 2005 at 6:30 pmHe's a liar and Stephy should have called him on it. He and Cheney both deny what they've said--why doesn't the MSM highlight the lies more?
It's perfect that Bush tried to open a door thatw as locked. That's the best metaphor of where this administration is at right now.
November 21st, 2005 at 6:46 pmWow. They're all stabbing each other with both hands.
"Bush just called me up one day and said 'We're invading Iraq. Make it so.' It wasn't MY idea. Do I think I can sell this swill? Of course. Do I think you're all morons? Sure I do. Do I have my defense ready just in case? Absolutely: Ve vere chust vollowing orders."
November 21st, 2005 at 7:26 pmSTOP THE PRESS! THIS JUST IN!
Ryan and Mighty Aphrodite just agreed on something!!
Stay tuned: Story unfolding....
November 21st, 2005 at 7:46 pmThat's just because MightyHermaphrodite finally admitted what a superior president Clinton was. It took her a while, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day - and she proves that old adage!
November 21st, 2005 at 9:02 pmI can just see Rumsfeld on the witness stand, "Did I advocate a war with Iraq? My Heavens, that depends on what your definition of 'I' is"
November 22nd, 2005 at 8:26 am[...] Check out this Rumsfeldian semantics display. STEPHANOPOULOS: If you had known that no weapons of mass destruction would be found, would you have advocated invasion? RUMSFELD: I didn’t advocate invasion. STEPHANOPOULOS: You didn’t? RUMSFELD: No, I wasn’t asked. If you read all the books and the things— STEPHANOPOULOS: Why weren’t you asked? That’s very puzzling. RUMSFELD: Well, I’m sure the president understood what my views were. But as a technical matter, did he ever look and say, "What should we do? Should we go do this or not do that?" … [...]
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:27 amrummy is such a liar, and why can't someone get rid of that stupid smirk on his face, what an arrogant man.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:43 amRumsfeld is a liar. See the evidence!
November 22nd, 2005 at 2:58 pmhttp://www.wimp.com/rumsfeld/
Words mean NOTHING! Action is EVERYTHING! get off of you asses and onto the streets and educate people!
November 22nd, 2005 at 3:08 pmThat's mighty difficult when you live in Holland! I support everyone of you who is against this administration, they have betrayed all the American people and bombed more then 3000 people with WTC.
Get on the streets and impeach that bastard and all his allies including our Prime minister JP Balkenende ( Harry Potter ).
A Supporting Dutch guy!
November 23rd, 2005 at 12:13 pm[...] To add to the shameful denial of recent public memory, Rumsfeld claimed on Sunday that he “didn’t advocate invasion” of Iraq. This is a direct contradiction to Richard Clark’s statements to the 9/11 commission stating that in a meeting in September, 2001, Rumsfeld suggested bombing Iraq in response to terrorist attacks because it had “better targets”. Even if he forgot his own words, it’s hardly excusable that he should be allowed, as Secretary of Defense, to recuse himself from the decision to invade another country. [...]
November 30th, 2005 at 8:33 pmRon, (A Supporting Dutch guy!)
>...and bombed more then 3000 people with WTC.
What are you getting at?
You know something we don't. And to think someone 9000 miles aways can see things so clearly. You must be the smartest man in the Netherlands. They don't call it Holland anymore smart guy.
>...Get on the streets and impeach that bastard..
Do it yourself. Rumsfeld is a lair, but Americans are not idiots.
Do everyone a favor. Mind your business and don't draw cartoons.
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