Rumsfeld Attacks Murtha: Says He Is Undermining Troops, Comforting Enemy
Rumsfeld Attacks Murtha: Says He Is Undermining Troops, Comforting Enemy
Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld was asked about Rep. Jack Murtha on Fox News Sunday:
CHRIS WALLACE: Mr. Secretary, here’s a decorated Vietnam veteran, generally speaking a hawk on military matters. What message does it send to you as the Secretary of Defense when you’ve lost Jack Murtha on Iraq?
DONALD RUMSFELD…[W]e also have to understand that our words have effects, and put yourself in the shoes of a soldier who thinks that we’re going to pull out precipitously or immediately as some people have proposed. Obviously, they have to wonder whether what they’re doing makes sense if that’s the idea, if that’s the debate…Put yourself in the shoes of the enemy. The enemy hears a big debate in the United States, and they have to wonder, maybe all we have to do is wait, and we’ll win. We can’t win militarily. They know that. The battle is here in the United States.
The key to defeating the enemy, it seems, is to just accept Rumsfeld’s policy with no debate at all.
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By the minute I am increasingly angered that the military thinks they have the final say on war.
November 20th, 2005 at 9:49 amThe key to defeating the enemy, it seems, is to just accept Rumsfeld’s policy with no debate at all.
Comment by Judd
You’ve had your debate and you lost. There’s nothing more to talk about.
I’ve been saying that congressional democrats are treasonous liars, and unfit to hold office for years. I believe it, and have reams of evidence for it on my hard drive.
I hardly need to address the degree of stupidity ( or raw hatred of one’s country) necessary to call for a timed pullout (6 months from now) from Iraq, that is John Murtha’s plan. I don’t have to talk about it here because I save my pearls for those who like me care about my country and the men we send to hell around the world to protect it. I save my breath for Americans, real Americans, people with an innate understanding of the price of freedom and the cost of allowing sluggards, slackers and traitors (like most of those that post here)to have a disproportionate voice in America.
We can have Democrats in leadership positions, or we can have the United States of America … the one which has become the greatest civilization, and force for good, in all of history. We cannot have both
November 20th, 2005 at 9:52 amMurtha is undermining Rumsfeld and the Cheney administration, not the troops. Fraudulent war over, brings the military home to their families and our vulnerable “homeland”.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:05 am#2, “I’ve been saying that congressional democrats are treasonous liars, and unfit to hold office for years. I believe it, and have reams of evidence for it on my hard drive.”
Let’s see the evidence. Show us your website.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:06 amWar and Politics are are a bad mix.
Not matter what your position, the issues and stakes are too immeadiate, and too high.
BUT open debate IS the essential element in a democratic society with a free press.
It is uncomfortable it is messy,
but it is the way things are.
That said, Condemning dissent and dissenters is what authoritarian goverments do when faced with when their
policies are questioned. Democratic governments when
operating on their highest values defend their policies
on the merits.
So the merits of this Iraq War are……..?
November 20th, 2005 at 10:07 am“There is no progress in Iraq.”
- Rep. Jack Murtha
November 20th, 2005 at 10:10 amI know from my personal experience that pulling out requires greater courage than “staying the courseâ€. Bottom line is most people know this war is wrong. Ending it has been a process of overcoming personal fear, much of which has been propagated by the White House. Maybe someday soon people will become concerned about the really disturbing aspects of this whole charade. Like who in the hell was mailing out anthrax? Where is Zawahiri or Zarqawi?
If we get attacked again I will never be able to fully believe who did it because the WH is so obviously desperate for war and propagating fear.
You’re going to be cast out I-Right-I.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:12 amThey’re effective at defensively parsing language. Less effective than before, and as allways for evil ends…but effective still.
It’s time to reframe “victory” and “Partiotism”.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:15 amPNAC agenda says we won’t leave, and since Rumsfeld is part of that…
November 20th, 2005 at 10:26 am>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Americans Want Troops Out of Iraq Within A Year:
http://www.angus-reid.com/ polls/ index.cfm/ fuseaction/ viewItem/ itemID/ 9916
The only good reasons for “staying the course” are Iraq is that:
a) Iraq is the NEW geographic center of operations for al-Qeada; and
b) Iran has great influence there where none existed before.
So a rational argument can be made for why we must stay, but conservatives don’t go there because they are the direct result of Bush and the NeoCons horribly incompetent Iraq nation-building exercise. Instead, they say:
a) Talk of pulling out makes you unpatriotic; and
b) Talk of pullout emboldens the enemy.
Neither one of these are supportable from a rational point of view. If patriotism is equated with military service, for example, compare Murtha’s service record with Cheney’s, for example. If patriotism is equated with love of country, well, that’s unquantifiable. In my opinion what’s unpatriotic is attacking people exercising their right to free speech. As for emboldening the enemy, CIA statistics show that attacks on American troops greatly increased in quantity and effectiveness long ago, long before there was serious talk of a pullout, and show no signs of decreasing.
The Republicans have nothing. Except a policy wrapped in illusion.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:29 amLet’s see the evidence. Show us your website.
Comment by Andy
What part of “hard drive” sounds to you like “web site”? Besides, you’ve seen it all yourself on the nightly news with Dan “Word Document” Rather. It’s not my fault you see treason and think it’s just politics.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:30 amWe can have Republicans in leadership positions, or we can have the United States of America … the one which has become the greatest civilization, and force for good, in all of history. We cannot have both!!!
Unfortunately, we have lost all of our allies under the Repugs, we have the biggest national debt in our nations history, the ultra rich have reaped all the benefits of this administration…the real Americans have no respect for the dipshits in charge. When the Democrats come back to power after the next election, the ones that have set back this great nation for the last five years will pay the price. Can you say prison…meet Bubba, your cell mate. IRI, you need a life, I think Russia is calling, they seem to be more like minded than the people of these United Stated. I guarantee you that if the people of this great nation had seen the real GWB and not had the fear mongering playbook, it would be a better nation today. Enjoy Russia. Asswipe
November 20th, 2005 at 10:33 amI’m sure any soldier is more concerned about incoming mortar shells and bullets over what the hell people is Washington are talking about. And what if we had an exit plan?? Wouldn’t that give them something to look forward to… like seeing their family? These guys are talking out of their butts.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:33 am#11,
I gave you the opportunity in a civil manner. Why brag about your evidence if it is as I assume only a figment of your imagination? I too have “reams of evidence” in my brain that says you’re a fool.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:33 amHey, I-RIGHT-I. That was a good shot in #2 calling those lefties here “sluggards, slackers and traitors” and cracking on the Democrats. That low take on democrats being “treasonous liars” was good. That ought to put that Jack Murtha in his democratic place!
Correct me if I’m wrong, either Church is out or you didn’t go this morning. I mean, your family values are showing. But just between rigthty and another, Rummy is the Republican stupid ass running the failing war, and who hasn’t had an original idea on what to do since Tora Bora when he let bin Forgoten get away.
And hey, talking about stupidity, RIGHT, what is your take on that reprehensible little guttersnipe, “Mean Jean” Schmidt calling war hero Murtha a “coward”? Is she one of the Republican “pearls” you are bragging about leading the country, while that those “teasonous liars” like Jack Murtha can’t be trusted to lead?
I have to ask you, RIGHT, just organizations do you belong to that makes you such an expert on who are “real Americans” and what leadership qualities are necessary in conducting a war? PS: membership in skinhead organizations doesn’t count.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:34 amSo the merits of this Iraq War are……..?
Comment by maeldon
If destroying a blood thirsty dictator and his insane sons means nothing, a vote and a new democratic constitution mean nothing, if the regional security of getting rid of a war monger and insane would be “Saladin” mean nothing, if freedom of speech, press, travel and of fear of being taken out of your bed at night by Saddam’s secret kill squads mean nothing, then I could see why you’d ask. So, why did you ask?
November 20th, 2005 at 10:35 amThe Commander in Iraq that they have to finish the job could not say any thing else because the military brainwash them. The government owns you after you join the service.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:37 amRummy, you’re on the losing end of this argument, pal. Your twisted logic no longer works on the american people. The military does not have the final say in this war, the American people do. That is evident by this administrations sagging poll numbers.
Your Fear and Smear campaign no longer works.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:39 am“There is no progress in Iraq.â€
- Rep. Jack Murtha
Comment by Average TV Viewer
That comment doesn’t make him a coward but it does make him a liar.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:40 amRumsfeld Attacks Murtha: Says He Is Undermining Troops, Comforting Enemy
November 20th, 2005 at 10:42 amRUMSFELD, YOU ARE THE ENEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO IS I WRONGY, CATHY,NED, AND ALL YOU REPUBLICAN FREEDOM WORSHIPPERS!!!!!!!
We have an arrogant and ignorant president with a brain addled by long use of alcohol and cocaine and other drugs.
He goes to Asia thinking he is dealing from a position of strength, when he is dealing from a position of weakness. Why? Because of his ignorance and arrogance.
The intelligence for the war with Iraq was tilted in the neo-cons favor. The war was a deliberate mis-prepresentation. Why? Because of the administrations ignorance and arrogance and their desire for power, oil, money, gold at the end of the rainbow, fame and fortune.
The president is a mis-guided, ignorant, arrogant person who belongs in a straight jacket. Why cant the people closest to him see that? His wife, his advisors. Why? Because they are spun out of the same cloth.
Bush is the Pied Piper, he whistles, they follow, because of their addled brains, their ignorance and arrogance.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:42 amI know from my personal experience that pulling out requires greater courage than “staying the courseâ€. Bottom line is most people know this war is wrong.
Comment by Average Loser
Do tell how you found courage and peace in being a quitter. But you don’t have anything but wishful thinking to make your case about what “most people” think about our struggle with Islamofascism in Iraq and around the world.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:43 am#16, I-Right-I, so “nation building” is OK if a Republican does it.
The reasons we invaded Iraq, supposedly, were:
a) To rid Saddam of WMD’s; and
b) Depose Saddam.
Both have been achieved. There is no reason to stay except to try to clean up the mess we created in the first place.
Your talk of creating democracy, bloodthirsty dictator, etc, is revisonist crap. You Republicans don’t really give a shit about that. Where’s the call to free North Korea? As for democracy, be careful what you ask for: Venezuela and Iran are arguably democratic, if imperfectly.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:44 amTHE ONLY PROGRESS IN IRAQ IS TOTAL GENOCIDE OF IRAQIS PEOPLE, PLUS LOSS OF AMERICANS LIVES!
November 20th, 2005 at 10:45 amprogress is not about WINNING The WAR, PROGRESS IS WINNING PEACEFUL RESOLVE!
SOMETHING YOU REPUKES KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!
Correct me if I’m wrong, either Church is out or you didn’t go this morning. I mean, your family values are showing.
comment by Joe
I’m on CST. I’ve still got an hour to kick your ass before I have to go and be forgiven my sins.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:45 amThe Commander in Iraq that they have to finish the job could not say any thing else because the military brainwash them. The government owns you after you join the service.
Comment by Mary Poppin
Except for Murtha and Kerry. They found a way to heal themselves in the pool of World Communism and Left Wing Walking Dead Losers. That’s just my guess.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:47 amWhy do so many wingnut trolls hang out in here?
November 20th, 2005 at 10:49 amFrom i-right-i
November 20th, 2005 at 10:50 am“I’m on CST. I’ve still got an hour to kick your ass before I have to go and be forgiven my sins.”
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Go hump you’re bible, coward.
The enemy hears a big debate in the United States, and they have to wonder, maybe all we have to do is wait, and we’ll win. We can’t win militarily. They know that. The battle is here in the United States.d.r.
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how freaking simplistic is rumsfeld garbage…..
all i’m hearing is smearing a war vet……i’m hearing rove through all this slime……..
when is america going to be america and stand up to this mass murders who are in iraq for the natural resources it has,.,bushco doesn’t give a damn about freedoms for these people ,bush opened his mouth in china,after he stopped smearing i said you didn’t say its about the natural resources you fuke of a turd…..
November 20th, 2005 at 10:50 amTHE ONLY PROGRESS IN IRAQ IS TOTAL GENOCIDE OF IRAQIS PEOPLE, PLUS LOSS OF AMERICANS LIVES!
progress is not about WINNING The WAR, PROGRESS IS WINNING PEACEFUL RESOLVE!
SOMETHING YOU REPUKES KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!
Comment by A REAL FATHER!
I don’t know if you’ve seen the news for the past year or so but the Islamofascist insurgents and Ba’thist Sunni Muslims have killed more Iraqis than anyone. How do you explain that and work it in to your plan of winning by “peaceful resolution”. Hummmm? Dumbass.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:51 amWow….anyone see what ELSE Rummy said? Holy shit….
1) He said he had ZERO input in whether we should go to war. The Sec of Def saying he had NO input in an action involving the group that he runs (the military). WTF? Are you kidding me? Does he REALLY think we’re that stupid to believe him?
2) He said he would have supported the war regardless of whether Saddam actually had WMDs. Too bad nobody else would have. Just incredible how insane effin’ crazy this man is.
20 minute interview that left me speechless. Really, the Bush Admin must think we’re collectively 8 years old, because the lies and bullshit they spew is SO transparent that it just makes them look horrible. NOW I understand the falling polls….
November 20th, 2005 at 10:51 amHERR RUMZFELLD sang s different tune with CBS FACE THE NATION. He flat out said no one called Murtha a “coward” and no one referred to him “by name” like that. You all should post that clip, it was funny watching Herr Rumzfelld get frazzled.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:51 amI wonder what Jesus would really think of our Iraq policy.
I think he’d say, “George, you got some explaining to do.”
November 20th, 2005 at 10:51 amYes, don’t you understand?? We fight wars to protect our freedoms here at home. But while the war is (endlessly) being fought, freedoms MUST be suspended indefinitely.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:52 amwhen is america going to be america and stand up to this mass murders who are in iraq for the natural resources it has
Comment by thot’s
We are. Will have Saddam the mass murdering heathen bastard in jail. We killed his bastard sons and are killing the Islamofascists that want to take Iraq oil money and buy nuclear weapons to destroy Israel and the West. What more can we do to make you 12 year old left wing babies happy?
November 20th, 2005 at 10:54 amYour Church is RICH AND POWERFUL
November 20th, 2005 at 10:55 amThere you go again, RIGHT, doing just what Bush doesn’t want us to do: Rewriting history. One rightwinger to another: quit trying to cover junior’s sorry ass, you are embarassing yourself and you loose all credibility as the public does’t apprear to be swallowing all the lies and stories Bush and his cohorts tell anymore.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but as an example I thought we went into Iraq for WMD’s and being an immediate treat to the United States. I mean, wasn’t the removing of a “bloodthirsty dictator” just an afterthought when we found egg on our faces? And you talking about freedom of press and travel here also. That is pretty lame and you need to stop that sorry-assed claim. I don’t think anyone seen very many western newsmen walking outside the heavily fortified Green Zone lately. I mean, hell, they can’t even drive the eight miles betweeen the Green Zone and the airport without getting killed, so you ought to quit posting all that crap.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:55 amGo hump you’re bible, coward.
Comment by TheAtheist
Bravely spoken. How old are you, ten? Go back to bed or play some video games. You’re out of your league. (as are the majority of you when I’m around. Sorry to bust the curve, losers.)
November 20th, 2005 at 10:56 amSo we have to fight them ‘over there’, rather than in the USofA, but there are a few things wrong with this thinking. Firstly, there were very few, if any, of ‘them’ (terrorists) before we invaded, so we have created a self fullfilling and perpetual cycle of more and more of ‘them’. Secondly, no one I hear has come up with any plan on removing the threat of all of ‘them’, all the terrorists we have created, by the invasion.
So, we are in a position of creating more and more problems, just by being there. Holding the fort does not make sense, the problem of ‘them over there’ will not go away, so if we go, or if we stay with the current course of action, no real change in status quo (that the invasion created). So either come up with a decent plan for taking Iraq out as a terrorist haven, or stop spending money, lives, and reputation on a lost cause.
November 20th, 2005 at 10:58 amI don’t think anyone seen very many western newsmen walking outside the heavily fortified Green Zone lately. I mean, hell, they can’t even drive the eight miles betweeen the Green Zone and the airport without getting killed, so you ought to quit posting all that crap.
Comment by Joe Sixpack
I feel for the MSM. I’m thinking the marines have killed as many of those losers as have the insurgents. But anyway, so what? Who said the war was over? You’re the ones that want to pull out and leave the Iraqi people to the tender mercies of Iran and Syria’s Sunni hit squads. I’m with Bush and Rummy. When the Iraqi army is strong and mean enough to stand up and fight for themselves without our help then it’ll be time to hit the road….to Damascus or Tehran…hahahahaHA!
November 20th, 2005 at 11:00 amSo we have to fight them ‘over there’, rather than in the USofA, but there are a few things wrong with this thinking. Firstly, there were very few, if any, of ‘them’ (terrorists) before we invaded, so we have created a self fullfilling and perpetual cycle of more and more of ‘them’.
Comment by dantediroma
They’ve been there for years…just ask Jimmy Carter. We just gave them something to do and a reason for them to come out in the open where we can shoot them. If we’re doing anything wrong over there it’s simply that we have not leveled the Sunni cities where these people hide and organize.
November 20th, 2005 at 11:04 amI wonder what Jesus would really think of our Iraq policy.
I think he’d say, “George, you got some explaining to do.â€
Comment by ElectricBassPlayer
Jesus doen’t have a dog in this fight.
November 20th, 2005 at 11:06 amHey, RIGHT, I’m on your side here. I’m just trying to help you out with your facts and claims so the lowdown liberals here will have a clearer picture of the truth. I mean, your threat in #25 to kick my ass has really gotten my attention. It kind of hurts my feelings after all the times I’ve tried to help you clarify your points.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I hope you can find some time to really kick some ass. Not mine, of course, I’m a lover and drinker, not a fighter. I mean, why don’t you post your address here so the liberal assed chickenshits can find you and you can show them how tough guys like you take care of business?
November 20th, 2005 at 11:06 amThere you go again, RIGHT, doing just what Bush doesn’t want us to do: Rewriting history
Comment by Joe
History is written by the winners not the whiners. I suggest you change sides.
November 20th, 2005 at 11:07 amRumhead goes to Irack, shakes Sadman’s hand, does millions of dollars of business with him in the arms trade and Rep. Jack Murtha gives comfort to the enemy?
Mr. Rumhead, tell me one more…
November 20th, 2005 at 11:07 amThe rebroadcast of the debate over debating the Murtha bill is on C-Span. Murtha is making the repugs look like the filthy scumbag criminals they are.
November 20th, 2005 at 11:09 amThere Wouldn,t BE ANY HAD NOT AMERICA DEMANDED WAR YOU FACIST!
I don’t know if you’ve seen the news for the past year or so but the Islamofascist insurgents and Ba’thist Sunni Muslims have killed more Iraqis than anyone. How do you explain that and work it in to your plan of winning by “peaceful resolutionâ€.
November 20th, 2005 at 11:12 amAMERICA DECLARED WAR,, WELL, YOU GOT YOUR WAR, DUMBASS, NOW GO OVER THERE AND FIGHT!
FOR ALL OF THOSE WHO WANT THIS WAR, I SAY AGAIN AND AGAIN,, GO GO GO.
November 20th, 2005 at 11:13 amBE THE DUMBASSES THAT YOU TRULY ARE!
IRI, Why do you spew so much hate?
November 20th, 2005 at 11:13 amLet’s face it, no matter how the Bush admin. spins it, we’re getting out before the next election. So this is all just so much talk . . . .
November 20th, 2005 at 11:15 amI,m waiting for the day IWRONGY, VOLUNTEERS TO GO TO IRAQ!
November 20th, 2005 at 11:15 amMr. Murtha was downright passionate, observant and constructive on Meet the Press…a very compelling and honest case he made.
of note one thing, that will be parsed was he said ‘the President did not mislead’ on the war…
his other points about Rumsfeld, the armor, the prosecution of the war…were well thought out and said.
he’s a credit to his office and this country.
richb
November 20th, 2005 at 11:16 amOld Bushie went on that carrier and said MISSION ACCOMPLISH. We should of left after he said that. The only reason we are their is OIL and to make Old Bushie buddies RICHER.
BRING OUR TROOPS HOME.
November 20th, 2005 at 11:21 amWHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU WAS IN IRAQ???
November 20th, 2005 at 11:22 amIF YOU AGREE TO WANT THIS WAR,, THEN BY ALL MEANS.
GO,GO,GO.
I AM NOT STOPPING YOU FROM GOING TO JOIN THE MILITARY,
ANY ONE ELSE THAT WANT TO DIE FOR THEIR FREEDOMS.
GO ALLREAY AND STOP ARGUING !
Hey I-RIGHT-I,
A little pretentious are we?
Why don’t you go post a comment over at Powerline…oh, that’s right they don’t allow comments/debate…why is that? Your are very smart, gee you must be what, around 20?
November 20th, 2005 at 11:23 am#55 -
November 20th, 2005 at 11:27 amIQ or age?
Republicans are vigorously defending the mangled bodies and dead soldiers required to continue Operation Money Launder. The Repugs love their crimes and their criminal justifications. Too bad they won’t send their spoiled little college kiddies off to fight it.
November 20th, 2005 at 11:36 ami- right-i are you paid by the goverment to take this line or you just a hatefilled fool?
November 20th, 2005 at 11:37 amRummy is a puke, chickenhawk and should be thrown out with the rest of the white house garbage.
November 20th, 2005 at 11:39 amIRI,
November 20th, 2005 at 11:52 amYou are an enemy of America and a traitor of democracy. You are a troll and only spew the right’s talking points without thought. You follow the fascist neocon dogma and support a treacherous ideology that has led our nation to the brink of failure. Your ilk will be scuraged by history. You have left America friendless on the world’s diplomatic stage. Your insistance on using a military for pre-emption rather than defense make’s America no better than the barbarous hords of the middle ages. In 5 years your corrupt gang of criminals in the WH and congress has turned the country into a compassionless society ruled by and for big business interests who only think of themself and not the needs of the poor and middle-class. America is weaker today thanks to you and the megalomaniacs such as; Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Kristol, Perle, Frist, Delay, Gringrich, et. al. that think they are providing leadership to a rudderless ship.
I right: Do you snort lines of kool aid? Or do you take it in the form of a highly concentrated enema? Just curious.
November 20th, 2005 at 11:59 amHere try this one http://www.usndemvet.com/blog/archives/000242.html
November 20th, 2005 at 12:00 pmThe paragraph at the bottom is the ticket.
Here is a quote from Herman Goering you might want to keep.
November 20th, 2005 at 12:03 pmhttp://www.usndemvet.com/blog/archives/000242.html
Sorry that posted twice.
November 20th, 2005 at 12:08 pmMr Murtha explained to Russert this morning quiet well, we ALL were fooled by the intel.claims. He didn’t let Russert slam him one bit.
November 20th, 2005 at 12:08 pm#63,64.
November 20th, 2005 at 12:09 pmCOPY ,CUT&PASTE WIDELY.
THIS NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO THE FORFRONT OF NEWSMEDIA WORLDWIDE!
Dear I-Right-I:
Loved all your books, but especially loved “Treason”. Also wanted to thank you for pointing out all the glorious contributions Sen. Joe McCarthy made in upholding the causes of freedom and democacy in this country. He really has much maligned. You’re doing such a good job Ann. Keep up the good work!!
November 20th, 2005 at 12:24 pmI-RIGHT-I
pompous ass.
November 20th, 2005 at 12:36 pmI fear that this administration, this Republican party, has made us weaker, more so than any enemy could do: they play the fears of the less knowledgeable and the less tolerant, they orchestrate the silencing of debate, they attack other Americans using personal attacks calling them unAmerican, unpatriotic and other outrageous things but they never answer the questions or provide us details on their agenda (keep silent, attack the other guy, provide diversion), by their purposeful exaggeration and manipulation of intelligence and data, their lies (say one thing and do another - ex: clean air act means release more pollutants) on any topic (they can not be trusted by their own pattern of continual deception), and worse, they divide us to get their own way. They know how to play the American public to do whatever they wish, whenever they wish. And they are screwing all of us, and making us less safe and destroying our character throughout the world. Rumsfeld, Cheney are truly lying manipulating awful human beings that are making us weaker and less safe.
November 20th, 2005 at 12:36 pmPatrick, How do You spell democacy ? Democracy.
November 20th, 2005 at 12:38 pm______
Heres you sign: STUPID!
#25 What a great religious person, Mr. Right. You have an hour to commit more sin before you go to church to be forgiven of your sins. DO you REALLY think God is so stupid that He will forgive the sins that you are not sorry that you committed? I mean, c’mon now, you must really feel that God is an idiot if you can just lead your life the way YOU want and then have God forgive you of anything you do, right?
November 20th, 2005 at 12:42 pm“put yourself in the shoes of a soldier who thinks that we’re going to pull out precipitously or immediately as some people have proposed.”
The republicans proposed we pull out imediately, not the democrats. Everybody needs to keep posting the truth of what happened Friday night.
The republicans started a resolution to withdraw troops imediately, not the democrats.
The democrats voted down wanting to leave imediately, because that is not the resolution that Jack Murtha proposed.
Jack Murtha proposed “redeployment at the earliest practical date”
Do not let these trolls try and change what happened.
November 20th, 2005 at 12:45 pmGood catch Jeff.
November 20th, 2005 at 12:46 pmHe probably never been to a church his entire life though.
To:Real Father,
Oooops!…Sorry, should have spell-checked first. Grrrrr. But look at the post please? I’m making fun of IRI by alluding that he’s really the Queen Bee of viciousness herself……(drumroll)….Ladies and Gentleman!……Ann Coulter!!!!!
November 20th, 2005 at 12:49 pmPeople, I-RIGHT-I is not even on the same planet as the rest of the nation and world right not. Everybody Internationally saw what happened in the House on Friday.
Donald Rumsfeld and I-RIGHT-I may not hav eseen what happened, but I can tell you that I find Rumsfelds interview and I-RIGHT-I’s comments to be hilarious.
They can say whatever they like, but it doesn’t mean squat. They world saw what happened. Their days are numbered.
Just sit back and laugh at both of these jokers.
Because that is all they are.
November 20th, 2005 at 12:49 pm#2.
I bet you have a list of State Department officials who are members of the Communist Party too.
I heard a soldier on FOX News saying that he was proud to live in a country where there was debate and dissent and that is what a vibrant democracy is all about.
I am afraid that there is a difference between a democracy and a fascist state my friend.
-GSD
November 20th, 2005 at 12:54 pmRummy: “…[W]e also have to understand that our words have effects, and put yourself in the shoes of a soldier who thinks that we’re going to pull out precipitously or immediately as some people have proposed. Obviously, they have to wonder whether what they’re doing makes sense . . .”
There are many people busy every day trying in various ways to get serving members to “wonder whether what they’re doing makes sense.” Troop disaffection for war, and its accompanying mission refusal, fragging, etc., was a major reason for the exit from Vietnam. Now we’re hearing about “ghost patrols” in Iraq–patrols that were supposedly conducted but really weren’t. And there is a parallel effect on potential recruits.
When our elected leaders refuse to take responsibility for their actions, when Dem leader Pelosi instructs Dem reps to vote against immediate withdrawal despite Dems overwhelming wish for a pullout (even though congressional Dems have an approval rating in the polls of only 25 per cent), other means must be used. So Dem-hawk Murtha’s action as a stalking horse for the Pentagon’s desire to pull out, even if it failed its first test flight, sent a worthwhile message to the troops.
Now we need to hear from the three courageous Dem reps that defied Pelosi (McKinney’s my personal hero), and hopefully another Dem rep (the senators are probably hopeless) will wake up and smell the coffee. Maybe somebody else from the sixty-strong almost-comical Out Of Iraq Caucus. Come on Waters, Conyers, Woolsey, etc.–live up to your heretofore empty promise to “to try to increase pressure on the Bush administration and Congress to end the Iraq conflict and bring American forces home.”
November 20th, 2005 at 12:59 pmSee look people, you have I-RIGHT-I’s crazy whacked out world where everything is going his way….
And the you have reality.
New York Times
November 19,2005
Halliburton Case Is Referred to Justice Dept., Senator Says
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2005/ 11/ 19/ international/ middleeast/ 19contractor.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1132509688-d7R1+7qFLBXLJQLylkWrug
I-RIGHT-I is yelling out from his sinking ship and ain’t nobody throwing him a life line.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:00 pm#78
“So Dem-hawk Murtha’s action as a stalking horse for the Pentagon’s desire to pull out, even if it failed its first test flight, sent a worthwhile message to the troops.”
When you put “Dem-hawk Murtha’s action” “failed its first test flight” together like that, you make it seem as if the House voted on Rep Murtha’s resolution, which they did not. On Friday, the House voted on resolution 571, which was a resolution put forth by Rep Hunter.
Rep Hunter is a republican, Rep Murtha is a democrat. This would be the first time in history that a Rep from one side of the aisle interpreted what a Rep from the other side of the aisle wants in their resolution.
And it failed miserably, making the republicans look like the dumbasses they are.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:05 pmI am somewhat amazed at the amount of attention that all of you are wasting dealing with one non-reality based right wing idiot.
The Arabs have spent a thousand years ejecting the Christian infidels from the middle east. Whether we stay six more months, or a year, or ten years, it’s all just a drop in the bucket to them.
Bush has lost his great imperial war. He led his mighty army so poorly that it was routed by a ragtag bunch of amateurs. He has led this country into one of the greatest military blunders in the history of the world. The sooner everyone deals with this, the better it will be for everyone.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:09 pmAnd I’m glad that these Republicans are attacking Murtha the way they are. You can always guage how effective criticism from the Dem’s side is by how vicious and vitriolic the response is from their’s. If they keep shooting themselves in the foot like this, they’ll be left with no political legs to stand on. And I encourage everyone to listen to the full audio or video transcript of Murtha’s comments. There was NOTHING partisan in what that man said. If I hadn’t already known that he was a Democrat, I wouldn’t have known his political affiliation by listening to his comments. They were the most pricipled, common sense and patriotic statements I’ve heard on this debate to date.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:11 pmHere is some more reality based information for you guys.
Los Angeles Times
November 20, 2005
How U.S. Fell Under the Spell of ‘Curveball’
http://www.latimes.com/ news/ nationworld/ nation/ la-na-curveball20nov20,0,1753730.story?coll=la-home-headlines
This is an expose on how the Germans told us that “Curveball’s” information was no proven.
So, when these jerks say we had the backing of the Internationla community, you can take Germany off that list. Along with the rest of them.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:12 pmAnd one thing I do give the Vice President credit for….he’s a pretty formidable opponent to tangle with. but I believe he’s just met his match in John Murtha.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:13 pm#75, I was Just Kidding. EVRYBODY MAKES MISTAKES.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:14 pmhehehehe
#82
“There was NOTHING partisan in what that man said. If I hadn’t already known that he was a Democrat, I wouldn’t have known his political affiliation by listening to his comments.”
That is exactly it. The republicans planned to repeatedly attack Rep Murtha, which failed miserably. Anybody that watches that video got a first hand look at the republican smear machines wheels coming off.
The republicans chose the wrong tactic. That hurt them a lot.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:15 pm#84
A formidable opponent doesn’t have to lie to win a debate. Cheney is not a formidable opponent. He is a liar. ANd he has been proven to be a bold faced liar at least three times this week.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:16 pmTo quote Rummy “Put yourself in the shoes of the enemy. The enemy hears a big debate in the United States, and they have to wonder, maybe all we have to do is wait, and we’ll win”
Hey Rummy here is a flash for you: They don’t have to wait - it appears they’re winning now.
Over 2000 American soldiers dead, Tens of thousands of Iraqi’s dead,(Saddam couldn’t have done a better job himself of perpetrating a mass killing on his own people),sectarian hatred pulling apart Iraq’s Mixed Towns, (see New York Times article).
The only Iraqi’s propering under this invasion are the black marketeers and Chalabi’s cronies.
… and they were going to throw roses at us upon our entry into Baghdad?
November 20th, 2005 at 1:21 pmhey Spudge:
Of course he’s a bald-faced liar, but I believe in giving credit where credit is due. Absolutely, the wheels are finally coming off, but they’ve been pretty effective up til this point. I’m a gay man and two of my gay friends voted for Bush last year. “Are you f-ing kidding me?!” I said. “You’re gay men and you voted for Bush?” They paraphrased some of Cheney’s talking points which assured that only Bush/Cheney could keep us safe; you know, the ones where if Kerry was elected we’d have nuclear holocaust in American cities? I told them I had no idea how effective the Bush/Cheney and RNC’s propaganda campaign really was.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:29 pm“We can’t win militarily. They know that. The battle is here in the United States.” - Rumsfeld
Finally, he admits it! ;)
November 20th, 2005 at 1:34 pmAnd if you want to read one of the funniest, filthiest and hard hitting postings about Cheney, go to:
November 20th, 2005 at 1:34 pmhttp://rudepundit.blogspot.com/ 2005/ 11/ dick-cheney-rises-and-slimes-viscous.html
patrick,
I just don’t see where there is credit to give to Cheney. If you are say ing that you want to give him credit for spreading propganda, I would argue that he has been in the background out of sight, while the other players have been pumping the propaganda. I won’t even give Cheney credit for that.
As for your friends, have they changed their minds now? Has enough hatred been thrown at the gay community for them to vote the right way now? It boggles me that gays would vote for any republican. I don’t just mean your friends, but gays in general.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:38 pmI-Right-I reminds me of a short, pudgy, big-mouthed, right-wing, self-satisfied, masterbatory cocksucker I know with the moral fiber of jello. He was also really concerned about appearing, you know, tough. What a f***ing pussy. I could’ve beat him senseless with both hands tied behind my back, quite literally. Didn’t treat the women too well, either.
I bet he’d enjoy gargling my ballsack, if just to get some real manjuice in him.
*Read the TOA. This post potentially violates the ban on “hateful,” “obscene,” or intentionaly harassing content. If I-RIGHT-I would like to complain, well, what can I say? He’s a pussy.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:38 pmrummy should be fired, then thrown in prison.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:38 pm#25 Wow. IRI believes there’s a god big enough and sufficiently degenerate to forgive his sins.
My guess — Cthulu.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:40 pm#91
Funny Sh!t!!
November 20th, 2005 at 1:44 pmI-Яight-I,
I can see your harddrive…
November 20th, 2005 at 1:53 pmSpudge:
Of course I believe that the lies that they’ve (effectively up til now) spread and their actions are reprehensible beyond belief. All I’m saying is that they would have made Machiavelli and Goebbels beam with pride. We need, as a party, to acknowledge and understand why their tactics were so successful so we can effectively fight back. Sun Tzu kind of stuff. You know?
And as far as those two ‘mo’ friends of mine go, I’ve rarely talked to them since. I’ve told them I felt they betrayed not only gays in this country, but all fair minded Americans as well. I’ve been telling other activists that I know here in socal that I’ve never in my life, until the 2000 election, discriminated amongst my friends concerning their political affiliations and beliefs. My roster of friends had always included both liberals and conservatives because I’ve always enjoyed a broad spectrum of debate. I now can’t stomach people who support Bush and his minions. Now, what a sad commentary THAT is about our culture and society. I can’t imagine how many relationships have been ripped apart because the ‘democratic well’ in this country has been so poisoned.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:54 pmHey, Rummy? Want to know what really “aids” and “comforts” the enemy?
1. Not sending enough troops to win the war AND secure the peace.
2. Leaving all the ammo stockpiles unguarded for easy pilfering.
3. Underequipping the troops you DO send.
4. Sending a huge complement of part-time NG reserves to cover your first 3 mistakes.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:56 pm#97 IRI says it’s a big “hard” drive…but I hear it’s just a little floppy.
November 20th, 2005 at 1:59 pmHe doesnt have enough RAM…
November 20th, 2005 at 2:02 pmpassword and runningdog:
thanks for the chuckle! just proves yet again that ’satire is the best weapon’
November 20th, 2005 at 2:05 pmThis argument that goes “My Invisible Man in the Sky is Real and Yours is Fake” is the cause of more needless deaths than all the natural disasters of the world combined. Iraq is a shithole; a fragmented religious schizophrenic of a country with thousands of years of hateful feuding to make it what it is. It is mindless babble to chant about “winning” in Iraq. The ignorance and the arrogance of those who think we can force peace at the point of a gun upon a country that doesn’t want us occupying it and whose religious values are not only all over the place but demand death to those who differ is staggering. WAKE UP, feeding American soldiers into the death-mill of the Middle East is a foolhardy attempt to solve what cannot be solved from outside. At its base, the argument for eternal war on an ideology is childish; at its worst it is lethal and divisive. Americans ain’t drinking that Kool-Aid anymore. Getting Americans behind this stupid war is like putting toothpaste back in the tube. We saw behind the curtain and now we’re on to the fix. Sorry Neo-Cons but you had your chance in power and you BOTCHED it like nobody botched it before. Murtah tipped the see-saw and your lies and obfuscations are being laid bare are on their way DOWN.
November 20th, 2005 at 2:08 pmpatrick,
I’ll give in to your asertion that Cheney is like a Nazi leader. :)
As far as relationships and the “great uniter’ are concerned. Yes, my best friend of twenty years and I no longer talk. I can thank George Bush for that.
My ex-best friend is a guy with long hair, that smokes pot, doesn’t have a job and sleeps on someones couch, thinks that he is a republican. He gets red in the face yelling to defend the reprehensible actions of these scumbags.
He doesn’t realize that real NeoCons would throw him out of the RNC. Look at the things that the trolls here call us; “hippies”, “unemployed losers”, etc. These descriptions fit my ex-best friend to a “T” Literally. But, he still considers hinself a republican.
How do we get people lie him to realize how wrong they are. George Bush and friends have made this an us versus them country.
Anybody heard the term “Divide and conquer?”
November 20th, 2005 at 2:15 pmHere is another one rolling in today. Th trolls want you to think everything is going their way, but absolutey nothing is.
CNN.com
November 20, 2005
Washington Post rebukes Bob Woodward
http://www.cnn.com/ 2005/ POLITICS/ 11/ 20/ cia.leak.reut/ index.html
November 20th, 2005 at 2:23 pmOr there is this one.
New York Times
November 19,2005
DeLay Ex-Aide to Plead Guilty in Lobby Case
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2005/ 11/ 19/ politics/ 19lobby.html
Remember Scnalon is the guy who called religous people “whackos.” Do not let your religious friend know exactly how the republican party thinks of them.
November 20th, 2005 at 2:25 pm#92
I agree, especially voting for a regime that is backed by the radical right.
I am heterosexual and happy to say I have some very good gay friends, but I know some of them voted for Bush because they felt he would keep us safe.
I work in D.C. and was there for 9/11, although I didn’t witness the actual terrorist attack on the Penatagon, I experienced the terror in the wave people as they came streaming out of the sorrounding government buildings that day. And I stll didn’t vote for Bush.
I am a hellava lot more afraid of what the radical right wing bastards can do us in contrast to what the terrorist can actually do on a mass scale.
November 20th, 2005 at 2:26 pmThis one here fills my heart with joy. The Patriot Act should never have been passed. If Osama Bin Laden wants for our country to lose our rights and privacy, so we live in a totalitarian country, The Patriot Act was the first step to getting us there.
Boston Globe
November 19,2005
Patriot Act extension shelved
http://www.boston.com/ news/ nation/ washington/ articles/ 2005/ 11/ 19/ patriot_act_extension_shelved/
November 20th, 2005 at 2:30 pm#103
DMan
““My Invisible Man in the Sky is Real and Yours is Fake—
This is right on the money. Wars have been fought for thousands of years over something that is not tangible and can’t be proven. ANd it has always been the poor that have suffered, while the rich sit back and play a global game of chess. Black Sabbath “War Pigs” anyone.
Sad if you think about it.
November 20th, 2005 at 2:33 pmThen there are the sadding things like this piece. This torture is ingrained into these people and the US doesn’t help by backing toture.
The Independent
November 20, 2005
British-trained police in Iraq ‘killed prisoners with drills’
http://news.independent.co.uk/ world/ middle_east/ article328214.ece
November 20th, 2005 at 2:39 pmYou know the Drill.
November 20th, 2005 at 2:40 pmIt’s ironic that Rumsfeld would accuse others of ‘aid and comfort’ to the enemy.
- rumsfeld was involved and thereby responsible for the creation of AlQueda
- rumsfeld sold the WMDs and conventional weapons to Saddam
- rumsfeld gave the thumbs up for Saddam to use WMDs in his war with Iran
- rumsfeld knew that invading iraq would swell the ranks of AlQueda (the CIA told him it would)
So in otherwords, rumsfeld keeps aiding the enemy, while accusing others of doing so…
Typical republican hypocrisy. And typical rightwing lunacy from the insane trolls who accuse others of betraying our nation, a nation they clearly don’t believe in or understand.
November 20th, 2005 at 2:42 pm#80, Spudge,
Yes, you’re right, the vote wasn’t on Murtha’s bill. But looking at the larger picture, Murtha, recognizing that our military presence in Iraq makes no sense, is for total withdrawal from Iraq, and a resolution for withdrawal was defeated 403-3, with almost total Dem support. So, in that sense, Murtha’s idea “failed its first test flight.” But in the larger sense, I think we agree, a flame first ignited by Cindy Sheehan three months ago just got a lot brighter thanks to Rep. Murtha. We need to keep his words alive: IT IS TIME TO BRING THEM HOME.
November 20th, 2005 at 2:43 pmHere’s what REAL soldiers who’ve served in Iraq say:
http://www.optruth.org/
Not only do think whacko republican trolls are moronic fools, but they say american rhetoric has no effect on their moral, does not undermine the troops. However they do say that the overly long deployments, and other financial hardship the government makes them endure is destroying their families! The republican military policies are in fact of the cause of any troop undermining!
That’s the TRUTH, and not some rightwing chickenhawk spin from some retarded republican and/or troll.
November 20th, 2005 at 2:45 pmDon,
Not true, the dems didn’t vote on the Republican bill because it was a crap bill - nothing more. It was another republican bait and switch con game designed to simply use as a tool to say ’see democrats don’t like our troops’, and further lie, lie, lie.
November 20th, 2005 at 2:46 pm#113
Don,
Rep. Murtha’s resolution called for our troops to be “redeployed” not “withdrawn.” He never called for withdrawl, so, his idea was never even launched. It can’t “fail its first test flight” if it never got off the ground.
We must not let the republicans twist words. The republicans in the House tried to make it seem as if the House was voting on Murtha’s resolution until the Democratic Chair had it written into record that the debate and vote were on the Hunter resolution.
By saying that it “failed its first test flight” you are giving ground to republican word smithing.
I am a PR person and I know all about spin. If I was a republican, I would be greatly happy that you are using the term “failed its first test flight”
Don’t let them win the wordsmithing game.
November 20th, 2005 at 2:50 pmHere’s one from my local right wing paper, the OC Register.
OC Register
November 20, 2005
Bush tones down attack on Iraq war critics
http://hosted.ap.org/ dynamic/ stories/ B/ BUSH_ASIA?SITE=CAANR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Attacking Murtha was the wrong thing to do.
November 20th, 2005 at 2:56 pmAnd Spudge can probably speak to this better than any of the chickenhawks.
We are NOT fighting a war, we are executing an OCCUPATION. Not only are they to different events, the occupation requires far higher troop levels to even attempt.
This is why this fiasco is only going to get worse!
We don’t even have enough available troops to execute an occupation of Iraq, and unless the bush twins and the rest of republican america are willing to go for a draft - it isn’t going to happen.
So not only is the mission confused by the retarded dufus republicans like Rumsfeld who seem to know NOTHING of military theory, but their own actions are in fact fueling a resistence and ‘terrorist’ movement in Iraq where there was none.
If the goal of the republicans was to create a strong enough terrorist organization in the world that the US would have to battle it for decades the way we did the soviets - then they succeeded on their goals. If they wanted to end AlQueda, they could hardly have behaved or executed worse. My guess however is that the NeoCons wanted us at perpetual war, because that’s the only way the believed they could erode our civil liberties and the ‘liberal state’. But not being ‘men of war’, they have miscalculated beyond imagining!
November 20th, 2005 at 3:07 pm#116, Spudge,
You’re seeing some difference that I don’t see. It seems to me that, in the sense Murtha used it, redeploy was equivalent to (a euphemism for?) withdraw. Murtha’s words: “Our military has done everything that has been asked of them, the U.S. can not accomplish anything further in Iraq militarily. IT IS TIME TO BRING THEM HOME.”
November 20th, 2005 at 3:10 pmhttp://www.house.gov/ apps/ list/ press/ pa12_murtha/ pr051117iraq.html
What did I miss? (I don’t have a teevee, but don’t hold that against me.)
#118
Ryan,
You got it right. You don’t need my help.
Remember when asked how long this war would be, before we attacked, Rummsfeld said “It might take 6 hour, 6 days, maybe 6 weeks, but I doubt it will take 6 months.”
Then after we were alreayd engaged, Condi said that “We are in a generational war.” A generation is almost 20 years. The MSM let that one slip by.
November 20th, 2005 at 3:18 pmSpudge,
You’d think Rumsfeld would have taken the time to at least study one or two books on military theory before assuming his current job. Instead he obviously think he ‘knows best’, and ignores centuries of experience and ‘technology’ in the war know how sense. It’s just shocking how someone so inept could be in a position of power. Heck, I’m a PASCIFIST and I know more about war that this schmoe does!
November 20th, 2005 at 3:21 pm#119
Don,
Maybe you don’t have military experience. I do. “Redeployment” does not mean to bring the troops home imediately. It means to move them to a safe location to watch what is happening. If the Iraqis that are voted in take control of the country, we start bring our troops home. If the new government cannot keep control of the coutry, we move back in. That is called strategy. The Iraqis have got to stand up for themselves. We cannot bring peace to the, if they don’t want it.
“IT IS TIME TO BRING THEM HOME” is not the same thing as “IT IS TIME TO BRING THEM HOME NOW.” You are adding words to Rep Murtha’s statements, multiple TV interviews.
Rep Murtha has repeated over and over that he does not think bringing our troops home imediately is a good idea. He wants them home “at the soonest practical time.” He has made himself very clear. Don’t be fooled by the republican spin machine.
I don’t need links to what Rep Murtha has said. I collect this stuff. He has been very clear and the republicans are trying to spin it.
November 20th, 2005 at 3:24 pmThat’s the TRUTH, and not some rightwing chickenhawk spin from some retarded republican and/or troll.
Comment by Ryan Neat
Yeah, that’s what we get from not being careful to keep your homosexual friends out the service.
The truth is, soldiers always bitch and you and your homosexual communist friends on the Left are undermining their position in Iraq and making it more dangerous.
The soldiers I hear talking say we should hang you ratbastardcommiemofos from the nearest lamp post.
November 20th, 2005 at 3:40 pmI,m waiting for the day IWRONGY, VOLUNTEERS TO GO TO IRAQ!
Comment by A REAL FATHER!
My service is here kicking the ass of ratbastardcommieSOB’s like you.
I bet your son is homosexual isn’t he?
November 20th, 2005 at 3:42 pmI am a PR person and I know all about spin. If I was a republican, I would be greatly happy that you are using the term “failed its first test flightâ€
Don’t let them win the wordsmithing game.
Comment by SpudgeBoy
That’s a laugh. You couldn’t sell a life boat to a drowning man.
November 20th, 2005 at 3:43 pmMentally healthy people with heathy happy adjusted sex lives don’t ever feel the need to put down people with other sexual preferances. On the other hand…..people with repressed sexual desires and demons of their own are happy to attack people they have never met based on assumptions about sexual preferences. It makes them feel better.
November 20th, 2005 at 3:44 pmAnd you, Sir, can not sell this war to the American People any more.
November 20th, 2005 at 3:45 pmLeft Wing: We are losing this action in Iraq, we need to rethink what we are doing.
Right Wing: Are you a homosexual?
Left Wing: We want the truth from our government, after all, this is America
Right Wing: Are you an unpatriotic Communist?
November 20th, 2005 at 3:48 pmYikes. IRI just had all his sins forgiven by his Cloud-Dwelling Boogeyman — and he’s STILL all crabbed-off at the world.
He should call his Pastor right now and DEMAND his money back.
November 20th, 2005 at 3:51 pmI see his lesson in being more like Jesus and less hateful was also for naught.
November 20th, 2005 at 3:53 pmGuys, I-RIGHT-I is a joke. He is not even worth our time. He is losing his grip on reality.
Reality happened Friday. These trolls don’t even carry a nano gram of credibility anymore and the american public knows it.
Stick to the topics. Don’t let him derail you. Did you notice how we were having a fine conversation, then I-RIGHT-I showed up and people went off topic to argue with him. Fvck him. He isn’t worth our time. They are losing and grasping at straws.
November 20th, 2005 at 3:55 pmRight. Its like trying to drive a tin nail into an anvil, there is no absorbing of ideas by these guys, just hate filled provocations. Once they drink the Kool Aid of Rush and Hannity and that bunch they seem beyond any comprehention of facts and simply regurgitate (false) right wing talking points. Facts be damned.
November 20th, 2005 at 3:58 pmRummy gave the same speech - word for word - ABC, CBS and CNN today.
November 20th, 2005 at 4:23 pmFrom reading the posts here, IRI is advocating perpetual war. Too many Mad Max movies or maybe Waterworld is more to his liking.
He claims to go to church — I wonder what church preaches invasions, war, killing, dominance. No church or mosque or synagogue that I know of.
Maybe he goes there for his weekly plea for forgiveness.
133:
I wonder what church preaches invasions, war, killing, dominance.
_____
Well, we know it’s not Bush’s church. They came out against the war last week.
November 20th, 2005 at 4:36 pmRepublicans have so pissed off the military and their families, even military families places like north carolina that have always swung to the right, and more recently have swung republican poll with the majority against both the war, and bush. They also KNOW republicans are just lying about being pro military, just like they lie about everything else.
Just like how BushI used to be heavily involved in planned parenthood until he wanted the religious vote. Heck, prescott bush was planned parenthood’s FIRST TREASURER.
Republicans are always politically expedient to get their fascist business goals accomplished, but otherwise they’re 100% hypocrites.
November 20th, 2005 at 5:04 pmOh, and MizzWrong, the voices you hear in your head aren’t soldiers, they’re a call from your psyche to go seek medical care.
Operation Truth is a site run by REAL SOLDIERS, I’ll take their word over a maniac proven liar chickenhawk retard like you any day :)
See you have zero crediblity. MizzWrong demonstrates how an uninformed opinion is worse than having no opinion whatsoever…
November 20th, 2005 at 5:07 pm“The soldiers I hear talking say we should hang you ratbastardcommiemofos from the nearest lamp post.”
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 20, 2005 @ 3:40 pm
The ones inside your head?
“I bet your son is homosexual isn’t he?”
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 20, 2005 @ 3:42 pm
What else would one expect from a troll - but trolling?
And now you demonstrate the OTHER meaning of “chickenhawk”!
“I’m on CST. I’ve still got an hour to kick your ass before I have to go and be forgiven my sins.”
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 20, 2005 @ 10:45 am
Better tell them about the trolling for young boys IRI, I’m sure they understand completely!
November 20th, 2005 at 5:10 pmWerd up on post #128 DMan.
And poor IRI, sitting at his keyboard, alone and glum, all internet porn making him feel empty inside, furiously and copiously copying RNC sanctioned links to that vaunted arsenal in his hard drive.
Oh, if he would only join me and my sodomite cadre of gutlessratbastardcommiepinkofeminazilimpwristedlillyliveredHOMOsobs in our bid not only to completely undermine and demoralize our military, but selfishly rend and destroy the very fabric of our society and of course ‘the family’ (sniff)) to create a brave, depraved new world.
And oh boy, do I wish I had the power that my adversaries purport me to have.
Until then, I’ll just return to my humble life of work, family and quiet devotion to Satan.
November 20th, 2005 at 5:14 pmChris Wallace will never be the true journalist that his father is. He’ll just be a whore for the Fox Propaganda News Machine.
IWRONGI- Go up to your room and stand in the corner, little man until the rest of us come up and verbally kick your ass, you little troll.
November 20th, 2005 at 6:13 pmI dont give a hoot how old IWRONGI is. I know one thing though, he IIQ does not come close to his age.
November 20th, 2005 at 6:14 pm#37- “There you go again, RIGHT, doing just what Bush doesn’t want us to do: Rewriting history.” Joe Sixpack
****Joe - When progs realize leaving military might and strategy to the Conservative adults in the room, our country will be more secure. How many domestic attacks have we thwarted?? How many times do you traitors cheer for the enemy when the US and coalition forces suffer losses? If you guys were in charge of fighting the Civil War or WWII we’d either be singing Dixie or eating sauerkraut with chopsticks.
#139 - “Chris Wallace will never be the true journalist that his father is. He’ll just be a whore for the Fox Propaganda News Machine.” - Bimbo
November 20th, 2005 at 6:57 pm**** Bimbo - Chris is much more asute than dear old dad. He asks follow up questions of EVERYBODY… Dad is caught up in the sentimental senility of progressive guilt - I think Chris must take after mom.
“Operation Truth is a site run by REAL SOLDIERS, I’ll take their word over a maniac proven liar chickenhawk retard like you any day :)” - RyANNe
November 20th, 2005 at 7:11 pm**** Well RyANNe, since you believe “REAL SOLDIERS” you can now admit that you also believed the REAL SOLDIERS from the Swift Boat campaign! My brother, (the recently-returned-from-his-third-deployment-pilot you admire so much - he’s a REAL FIGHTER PILOT)were discussoing Mike Krause’s piece. We agree that perhaps someone like Mike should have given the military a bit more consideration before joining! STOP WORLD WHINING. But the truth of TP and RyANNE is they will believe ANYTHING and ANYONE who says something bad about GWB, Conservatives, the War, Patriot Act, Christians, and Jews.
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mighty aphrodite,
This post is exactly the reason why nobody deabtes with you as we were discussing yeaterday. Nobody here has even mentioned your name and yet, your first post of the day, you come out attacking people, calling us traitors.
Until you learn how to communicate, you should no longer be even considered to be addressed.
November 20th, 2005 at 7:11 pm“****Joe - When progs realize leaving military might and strategy to the Conservative adults in the room, our country will be more secure. How many domestic attacks have we thwarted?? How many times do you traitors cheer for the enemy when the US and coalition forces suffer losses? If you guys were in charge of fighting the Civil War or WWII we’d either be singing Dixie or eating sauerkraut with chopsticks.”
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I think we had a progressive in power during WWII and we survived that one. Also, FDR’s progressive policies bailed us out of economic disaster, while Bush’s regressive, pro-big business policies are threatening to send us into another.
The idea that Murtha is undermining the troops and comforting the enemy is completely wrong and the people saying that are wholly aware that they are lying. They just don’t want to hold the Republicans accountable for their actions.
November 20th, 2005 at 7:26 pmMightyHermaphrodite calls everyone else traitors, because she knows she is one. Her loyalty lies with israel, and not this country. Her politics are anti-muslim and entirely bigoted and insane. She’s a fanatic, a fool and hateful bitch. So she blames all of her hate, failures and bigotry on everyone else to cope with your collapsed psyche. It’s what lunatics do…
November 20th, 2005 at 10:17 pm“But the truth of TP and RyANNE is they will believe ANYTHING and ANYONE who says something bad about GWB, Conservatives, the War, Patriot Act, Christians, and Jews.”MightyHermaphrodite
Bahaha, that’s really funny. Actually these items speak for themselves and their own evil actions. I happen to have several friends who are christians, jews and military personnel. Some of my friends call themselves conservatives. But none of those people are as foolish, retarded, selfish or ignorant as you are. And most of my conservative friends are MORE worried about the patriot act than I am - how ironic is that? And most of the soldiers I know are more worried about Iraq than I am.
So everything you believe is a lie, everything you say is ignorant, and everything you do is clearly inept. That’s what I ‘KNOW’, as compared to what you believe, MightyMoron :()
November 20th, 2005 at 10:21 pm