Cheney: If U.S. Troops Come Home, Osama Bin Laden Will Rule Iraq
Vice President Cheney made a striking claim a few minutes ago at the American Enterprise Institute:
Those who advocate a sudden withdraw from Iraq should answer a couple simple questions. Would the United States and other free nations be better off or worse off with Zarqawi, Bin Laden and Zawahiri in control Iraq? Would we be safer or less safe with Iraq ruled by men intent upon the destruction of our country.
Cheney didn’t provide any evidence supporting his claim. The suggestion is that if the U.S. leaves, Iraqi forces would be completely incapable of defending the country against terrorists. Yesterday on ABC, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld said people who doubted the capabilities of Iraqi security forces were “flat wrong”:
People who denigrate their competence and capability are flat wrong. They’re making a mistake. They either don’t understand the situation or they’re trying to confuse it, but the Iraqi security forces are well respected by the Iraqi people. They’re doing a very good job.
So Cheney either doesn’t understand the situation or is trying to confuse it. Take your pick.
[UPDATE: Video of Cheney at Crooks & Liars.]
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And there’re 210,000 trained Iraqis, right Veep?
They have guns and officers and ammo and stuff. Let ‘em use it.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:31 pmWill he rule it “in the form of a mushroom cloud”? Has it been “pretty well confirmed”? Better check with “Curveball”.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:31 pmMore fear tactics.
Bin Laden didn’t attack us with an army. It was a very small band of determined individuals with Bin Laden’s money who blended in with civillian society.
Typical though for a bunch of GOP elephants to be completly terrified by a relatively small number of vermin.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:33 pmI can’t stand these idiots, but it’s sad to watch my country’s government coming apart like this.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:36 pmOf course Cheney knows that is true. It’s how terrorists work. Trick stupid, war-hungry politicians into attacking an innocent sountry. The resulting war destabilizes the region so much that terrorists have to chance to gain power. That’s how the Taliban first came into power in Afganastan thanks to the US…they invented the idea in the first place after all.
So Cheney has played right into their hands. Attacked an innocent country, destabilized the entire country with war, and opened the door and invited terrorists to come in and capitalize on the chaos and anti-American sentiment.
The real lie is hidden in what is not being told. It is why they stick with the “stay the course vs immediate withdraw” speaking points. The real lie is that they have NO PLAN on how to win, what they hope to accomplish, or even what they are fighting for. Without that there is only chaos, whether or not the troops stay OR go home. SO if Cheney isn’t willing to put forward a plan, then it makes no difference if the troops come home.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:36 pmThe Dick is hoping all of that money he’s making through Halliburton will buy him a few more years above ground. I say he’ll have ‘the big one’ sometime in ‘06.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:39 pmIs this Dick’s heart trouble going undetected, or something? He seems to be having trouble with reality.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:40 pmIf we leave Iraq, IRAN will be in charge. Of course, if we had followed Wolfowitz’s plan, Chalabi would be in charge, and IRAN would be in charge.
Basically, IRAN has been sitting back and watching while we toppled their most immediate regional threat, bestowed control of the historical capital of the Muslim world to their allies, and sank hundreds of billions of dollars and our army into a morass. They’re the ones waiting to fully take over when we withdraw.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:40 pmbin laden to rule a country? say WHAT? as if ANY of those idiots would come out of hiding to…i dunno…get KILLED?
cheney has really just lost it. his comments are striking in their stupidity and lack of evidence. he just says whatever the fvck he wants, apparently
November 21st, 2005 at 12:41 pmLast throes, anyone…
November 21st, 2005 at 12:42 pmOnce again, Crashcart Cheney demonstrated that blood isn’t flowing to his brain. What’s really frightening is that there’s still a sizable number of Americans who seem to have the same blood-flow problem.
Move along, no neurons firing here.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:43 pmJust keep the country yokels at NASCAR breathing gas fumes and they’ll believe anything Cheney says.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:50 pmMy God, who would believe anything Cheney says in the first place. Cheney is the man that gaves us, “I believe the insurgency is in their last throes”, and “I think we will be greated as liberators, and “I know they have WMD”, to name a few. The VP of tortore, wants to turn us into a torture state!
Does the man say anything truthful, or does he manipulate it, flip-flop it, all the time.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:51 pmYou know what everyone? It’s the oil. If we don’t control the region then some other big gun will. That’s exactly what the PNAC group called for and that’s exactly what the administration NEVER admits. They have never told the story straight. Of course we need to keep the military there. We need to protect our ‘interests’, our ‘way of life’. Our way of life being the conveniences we get from an oil-’driven’ society.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:52 pmIf Vice President Cheney and Secretary Rumsfeld were hoping to “clarify” anything, then they need to get together to coordinate their lies.
But if their goal was to obfuscate, then they are succeeding. Otherwise, why else come out and say two apparently contradictory things? Which is it, boys? Are Iraqi forces capable of protecting the country or not?
November 21st, 2005 at 12:55 pmWell, Cheney-bot had to have its cerebral matrix re-cored after it accidently stuck a fork in an outlet simulating torture. It didn’t have the latest news updates. And to think, they finally achieved a mobile power source strong enough to allow it to leave the bunker.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:55 pmMurtha never proposed an “immediate” or “sudden” withdrawal of troops. This is Murtha’s resolution:
I don’t see anything about an “immediate” or “sudden” withdrawal in there, do you? Murtha’s essentially asking for a progress report and maintaining political liaisons and reduced Marine presence on the ground as soon as practicable.
Murtha’s resolution was never debated on the floor. It was the Republican Hunter resolution that was voted down. This is Congressman Hunter’s resolution in full:
Hunter’s resolution was brought up for debate knowing no one, not Republicans or Democrats, could support his resolution. So what we have is a bunch of Republican Congressmen and women belaboring a Republican resolution as if it was a Democrat’s resolution (Murtha), to make it appear as if Democratic Congressmen and women want to “cut and run†in Iraq. Meanwhile, Cheney and the rest of the cogs in the spin machine are working their hardest to make it appear this is not the case.
Congratulations Republicans on making a mockery of the sacrifices of the men and women who’ve served in Iraq you allegedly love so deeply for political partisan gains. It’s not a soldier’s place to publicly criticize policies. If the politicians elected to represent soldiers can’t earnestly debate the policies that put them in harm’s way, who can?
November 21st, 2005 at 12:56 pmThe Dick also wants to get you used to the idea of a permanent U.S. base/presence in middle east.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:57 pmHe sounds an awful lot like he did before the war, when he was absolutely, positively convinced that Iraq had WMDs. Is he lying? Of course; his lips are moving.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:59 pm“Dick” Cheney just doesn’t get it, does he?
November 21st, 2005 at 12:59 pm#14 I agree, dv909. It IS about the oil. That’s why the Iraqi oil field map was laid out on a table at the war’s pre-planning for the oil companies to divvy up. That’s why President Bush told the Iraqi people before the invasion began (something like), “Your fate will be determined by your own actions. Do not destroy the oil fields.” (Gee, I would have thought suggesting immediate surrender was their best option.) And this is why we made sure that the Iraq Oil Ministry was protected during the invasion but not the nuclear power plants (which were looted.)
You’re right. It’s the oil. And President Bush isn’t man enough to admit it. He’s a coward, just like a certain Fox News host.
November 21st, 2005 at 1:00 pm#18 I thought that we were building about two dozen “permanent” bases in Iraq.
November 21st, 2005 at 1:01 pmYou mean if we leave Chalabi won’t be in charge?
Actually, I thought Zarqawi was ruling Iraq already letting Osama take over would be purely symbolic. But in any event, maybe if we allow Osama to take over we could actually find him.
But seriously, Dick has uttered yet more words that will come back to haunt the Administration. This will take a place along side “Mission Accomplished,” “we want Osama dead or alive,” and “bring ‘em on.”
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November 21st, 2005 at 1:01 pmIf they would of kept our troops in Afghanistan and concentrated on Bin Laden, This would of saved us from going into Iraq.
November 21st, 2005 at 1:02 pmWhether he’s dead or alive or assuming he even exists, isn’t Zarqawi already in charge of Iraq in terms of the insurgent attacks? The Bush administration spin has made Zarqawi larger than life and put him charge of the insurgency, whether he really is or not. What would change if Zarqawi were dead? We’ve been creating many Zarqawi replacements, who’d fill in. And, by the way, Cheney wouldn’t even be able to ask the question if we hadn’t invaded and created the opportunity for civil war and al Qaeda in the first place.
Iraqi forces are currently incapable of providing security whether we stay or not. The civil war, which we helped create, will continue whether we stay or not. But the Bush administration can’t have it both ways: They can’t argue that things are going great and then argue that we can’t leave because things aren’t going great. But it’s like their current pro-war argument too: The pre-war intelligence was wrong, but we were right because the intelligence justified war.
November 21st, 2005 at 1:03 pmAnd if we stay the Gran Ayatollah of Iran rules Iraq.
Great choice you gave us there Dickie boy.
Hmmm… ya know… if we pull out of Iraq and bin Ladan and Zawahiri arrive in Baghdad to rule the nation then at least we’ll finally know where they are so that we can bomb the shit out of them.
Hmmm…
Hey Dickie boy! Why not pull out and finally find bin Laden?
November 21st, 2005 at 1:04 pm#14 is right. The military is busy building bases as we Americans continue to die. Why? So we’ll always be in Iraq and controlling the flow of oil to America companies supporting bushco. (As well as keep an eye on Iran). There was a piece on NPR last week about an American military busy laying miles and miles of communication cables between various bases. Would bush be investing billions in bases if we planned to walk away? Be prepared for the “We’ve invested so much we can’t leave now!” routine when it’s time for withdrawal.
November 21st, 2005 at 1:06 pmWould it be possible to send Chimpy and Crashcart back to their ranches until 2008?
November 21st, 2005 at 1:20 pm“If U.S. Troops Come Home, Osama Bin Laden Will Rule Iraq”
November 21st, 2005 at 1:22 pm…which would be awful, because then WE WOULD KNOW WHERE TO FIND HIM.
The love of money , the greed for power and permanent wealth makes those damn republicans absolute idiots . If only they could relize it does not buy them eternity and ashes and sand await , then they can face reality .
November 21st, 2005 at 1:22 pmPossibly they know trhe outcome of the Iraq war : Iran would be the winner and then we prolong the war by attacking them as well. The bastards permanent war.
In the meantime China is making progress economicaly and militairly while we become less relevant .
This war has never been about terrorist…it’s always been the wet dream of the neo-cons to take control of a middle east country by force. Remember how we were told that this would start a mass movement in the middle east to democracy? Remember these guys beleive might makes right. Remember how their arrogance led them to discount the U.N. and “Old Europe?” Guess what? We’ve been handed our lunch in Iraq and the U.N. and “Old Europe” continue on. These clowns have been wrong on every count. what they fear now is the fact that the “intelligence community” they are blaming will step up and show how bushco cherry picked the data. So, it’s time to blame everyone who went along with the “bad data.” Time is not on bushco’s side.
November 21st, 2005 at 1:24 pmWAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
EIGHT MORE YEARS!
November 21st, 2005 at 1:25 pmWhen is Cheney old ticker going to give out?
November 21st, 2005 at 1:26 pm#38
He didn’t mention that the flowers would be the exploding kind.
November 21st, 2005 at 1:30 pmCorrection, #28
November 21st, 2005 at 1:31 pmIf OBL does take over in Iraq it’s because Chimpy and the conservatards were kind enough to take out the one Islamic government in the region that was more secular than any other. Thanks alot, you fvcking idiots. Left to their own devices, conservatards will kill us all.
November 21st, 2005 at 1:38 pmA true journalist would just laugh in Cheney’s face.
November 21st, 2005 at 1:39 pmGee Mr. Chainy, Indeed, Let us First Ask “Yourselves” the WHIGS Few Simple Questions.
Wheres Osama?
Did the Evidence support the War?
WHOM IS Responsible for Starting the Iraq War?
WHO has that Final VOTE?
Please dont say ‘WE’ Mr. Cheney. Your Words, and your Meetings,and your secrets dont include ‘WE’.
Tell ‘US’ the ‘people’ what the WHIGs call a ‘Noble Cause’ Mr Cheney. Tell ‘US’ the people.
Because of the Neo-Con Zest for War MR. ‘PNAC’ Cheney, NO, Unfortunately ‘WE’ cant just Pull out of IRAQ.
First YOU SHOULD be given a GUN, and Put on the Frontline with the TROOPers the ‘Neo-Cons’.
When ‘Bushco’ and its ILK, step aside, We can start working on the Solution of the Iraqi Problem.
Until Then its a Stalemate.
In My opinion –AJ
November 21st, 2005 at 1:42 pmWith these guys falling all over themselves to try to maintain a semblance of power, the next three years is likely to be torture, just watching it in sheer embarrassment.
November 21st, 2005 at 1:46 pmMore fear and smear from darth himself. God, this man is full of hate.
November 21st, 2005 at 1:47 pmAre we to then assume we know where Mr. Bid Laden is? Remember the missed opportunity alluded to by John Kerry during the election.
November 21st, 2005 at 1:49 pmIt’s almost impossible to imagine what the next three years will hold for America. This prez has no capital left outside of the WH…. No other country will feel compelled to “have to deal” bush. Slowly but surely Americans are waking up the the fact that this failed administration is not working to make America stronger or better, but only to funnel more money to the rich. It will be interesting to see what they can come up with to rationalize continued failures.
November 21st, 2005 at 1:52 pmThis would be laughable if it weren’t so serious… It definitely is pathetic… This guys have NO credibility whatsoever, and who’s afraid of the big bad wolf anyway??
November 21st, 2005 at 1:57 pmSomeone tell me, what county does Ben laden rule now??
We all know this is a fear tactic.
Also a ringing enorsement for their man Chalabi isn’t it!! We leave, he falls. (sarcasm)
November 21st, 2005 at 1:59 pm…anti-war vets have no backbone?..please step outside and say that their faces!
November 21st, 2005 at 2:01 pmI don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that while the Iraqi troops are indeed improving their ability to wage effective war on terrorism on their homefront, they still need our troops to avoid falling to the likes of Al Qaeda.
We pull our troops out, they fall on their face … they fall on their face, Al Qaeda is the dominant power in Iraq … Al Qaeda is the dominant force in Iraq … Osama BL, being the leader of said group, has “control” (in some sort of fashion) of Iraq.
This doesn’t seem too far fetched (even if you hate GWB and Cheney) …
November 21st, 2005 at 2:06 pmIf Dick Cheney told me yesterday was Sunday I’d got check it for myself.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:06 pmbad ticker? Walmart wouldn’t even hire the egghead as a greeter unless he were covered by medicare.
I thought Osama was the number one guy to be apprehended by the US.
they gerfot, those darn Republicans. Must be too busy counting their worthless money.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:09 pmThe sad thing is that Cheney’s BS goes over so well in repug land. A quick visit to a couple of their moron sites and you get a pretty good sense of the “winners don’t quit” flags that those keyboard warriors so bravely wave. Those idiots really are too stupid to realize that they have been duped.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:11 pm#3 – “Bin Laden didn’t attack us with an army. It was a very small band of determined individuals with Bin Laden’s money who blended in with civillian society. – Comment by dvd”
November 21st, 2005 at 2:11 pm*****(Applause…applause….Where does Think Pessimism dig up such brilliant observers??? The fact that this bunch of Islamofascists DOES’NT have an army is what makes them so dangerous. (I deduced that from more than 20+ years of attacks against the US and West.)****NEWFLASH for all you ACLU types – I’ll bet you were upset when two “detainees” released from Guantanamo Bay were arrested in Casablanca.
@ 50 Would you even consider the possebility that Osama and Bush are big friends. Grandpa Bush was a great friend for Hitler, he even financed him, would you back up such family? Shame on you when you do! There are 15 families which own 95% of the worlds money and the Bush and Bin Laden Family belong to them, would they fight eachother? Even the royal UK family is in that line with 65% of property of all VS ground. You didn’t know that, did you? Well now you do. Start thinking, like the site tells you, think progress!
November 21st, 2005 at 2:15 pmWaahhhhh – somebody just called me an ACLU type. Grow up.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:16 pmRon
You better cite some of those “facts” … I’d like to read for myself.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:17 pmWhere can one get a scorecard…I personally cannot keep up with the lies and flip-flops coming out of Bush&Co
November 21st, 2005 at 2:18 pmThis looks like a good time for a Bin Laden video. We shouldn’t have to wait for the next election to see one…linus
November 21st, 2005 at 2:19 pm#48–Yeah, Cheney said “lost his memory and his backbone.” Well, Murtha remembered well enough who took 5 deferments from Vietnam! Cheney has some set on him to impugn Murtha’s backbone. What a bastard!
November 21st, 2005 at 2:20 pm@ 54 Can you understand that there always was a enemy. First the judes , then the Sovjets, now the Muslims, who’s next? Maybe us?
November 21st, 2005 at 2:20 pm@ 57, its all on cloakanddagger.de and rense.com
The facts don’t lie!
http://www.cloakanddagger.de
November 21st, 2005 at 2:23 pmhttp://www.rense.com
@ 57, its all on
The facts don’t lie!
http://www.cloakanddagger.de
November 21st, 2005 at 2:23 pmhttp://www.rense.com
Giacomo: Maybe BL has control of Iraq NOW – thanks to the US invasion. Thousands of Iraqi have been killed – those we went supposedly to liberate, remember?? I have my qualms about leaving Iraq – cause they’re in total and complete chaos – chaos caused by US (literally!!). We should amend and fix Iraq before leaving, but the longer we stay there, the worse it will become… It’s getting worse every single day. Today is worse than yesterday, and tomorrow will be worse than today. And ANYONE can see that!!
November 21st, 2005 at 2:24 pm#53
Don’t waste your time with left. They are only after getting their power back no matter what the cost. If that means risking another terrorist attack on U.S. soil, so be it. They aid and abet the enemy with every snipe at the president and the party in charge. They don’t seem to understand that we are in fact, at war. A war that we did not start but we will finish on our own terms, not the terms of Al Qaeda. Almost, every democrat is on record now supporting our continued efforts in Iraq. Even Murtha himself voted for it. The Left would like Iraq to become another Vietnam, but we are not going to let that happen. Gitmo, Abu Gharib and other sites are designed to hold these thugs who would kill us if given the chance. It is sad that we can’t stand as one nation united against this threat but every time I turn around they are posting new pictures of “torture” here or there. What about the 3000 deaths on 9/11? What about those who were beheaded in Iraq and other places. Those were not acts of torture by the left. It makes me wonder whose side they really are on sometimes.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:27 pmRon
“There are 15 families which own 95% of the worlds money and the Bush and Bin Laden Family belong to them”
Let’s look at just 95% of the money in the US … total money in the US (values M1 through M3) 6 trillion dollars … multiply by .95 = 5.7 trillion … divide by 15 (for each families share)= 380 Billion.
That’s just US funds … if we added the world (we can triple our amount … not sure how accurate that is … I’m probably estimating way too short) then we’d likely come to each “family” “owning” around 1.1 TRILLION.
Does this make any sense Ron, or am I taking your words out of context?
November 21st, 2005 at 2:27 pmYeah that’s it, Osama bin Laden is going to stop being a terrorist and will become a conservative politician. He now sees that you can destroy more people’s lives that way.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:29 pmPEOPLE,PEOPLE,PEOPLE.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:31 pmLET ME PUT MY TWO CENTS WORTH IN,
CHENEY LIKE HIS CORPORATION ARE NOT WORRIED ABOUT OBL OR ANY OF THAT.
YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT HE IS REALLY WORRIED ABOUT??????
THE OIL , PEOPLE. IF WE PULL OUT, THAT WOULD LEAVE THE OIL WIDE OPEN! CHENEY HAS NOTHING MORE THAN OIL AND ECONOMY TO WORRY ABOUT!
USE YOUR BRAINS PEOPLE!
The bushies are pushing the panic button , for they know the polls are 73 % in favor for the beginning of an immediate pull out.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:32 pmmy apologies – i neglected to paste the link in my comment above (70) to the pdf file in the PNAC website.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
November 21st, 2005 at 2:32 pm“So Cheney either doesn’t understand the situation or is trying to confuse it. Take your pick.”
I pick that you understand perfectly well what he was really talking about but are loath to tell the truth.
Why don’t you dipshits just come out and admit you don’t really care what happens in Iraq when we pull out and that all that talk about “innocent” life being lost during our invasion was just talk. Just admit it, a few hundred thousand brave, fighting and voting Iraqis just don’t quite mean as much to you as a defeat for George Bush and the USA.
I can’t wait until the hanging starts. Pass the popcorn.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:32 pmRyan
I’m sure Al Qaeda’s numbers have grown b/c of Iraq … no doubt about it. I do think they hijacked that “cause” (the people of Iraq certainly don’t want them there) and will use any type of cause to aid in their recruiting. Remember, on 9/11 we hadn’t invaded or waged any sort of battle in any Muslim country … they had hit us multiple times (Cole, Embassys) and we turned the other cheek (mostly). My point is, they hate us, Iraq or no Iraq.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:34 pm@ Giacomo,
Have you read the requested sites? I cannot explain all I read over the last year. When you read the sites you’ll believe what I stated. That’s the whole game, its not about countries, its not about religions, its about money and absolute power over whatever administration. Kerry and Bush are both a member of Skull and Bones. When Kerry was elected, Skull and Bones would still be in power. The net is full of it but you have to discover it yourself.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:34 pm#53 said: “The fact that this bunch of Islamofascists DOES’NT have an army is what makes them so dangerous…”
So I ask you mr. mighty aphrodite, how has OUR army prevented terrorists attacks? Other than destroying a town in Iraq killing hundreds of people to get about 50 ‘evildoers’, how has this prevented terrorism across the world?
It is so typical for bullies to hide behind their brute strength rather than using their brains. You cannot win a covert war with armies, tanks, jets, and missles.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:35 pmoh IRI you are as confused as ever! The point of the post was that Cheney said one thing last week and something different this week! He also seems to disagree quite significantly with Rummy on the strength of the Iraqi Army!
Sheesh. Try to keep up.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:35 pmNothing could do more to encourage terrorists in Iraq that our Vice President telling the world that Bin Laden and Zarqawi will be ruling Iraq once we’re gone. Hell, man, you’ve given them motivation!
November 21st, 2005 at 2:39 pmBreaking News:
The U.S. troops in Iraq have recently found a large pile of feces with wrapped in a turban near an AK-47 leaning against a cave wall.
The Pentagon has confirmed that the pile of feces is indeed the # 2 of Al Qaeda in Iraq.
DEVELOPING.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:39 pmRon
I checked out those two websites (www.cloakanddagger.de
November 21st, 2005 at 2:41 pmand http://www.rense.com). One of them has a story about Hitler being a British “agent” and the other one had a story about UFOs in Puerto Rico. Admittedly, I cherry picked those two stories, but I wouldn’t want to be getting my “facts” from any site that embraced either of those stories.
Why don’t you dipshits just come out and admit you don’t really care what happens in Iraq when we pull out and that all that talk about “innocent†life being lost during our invasion was just talk. Just admit it, a few hundred thousand brave, fighting and voting Iraqis just don’t quite mean as much to you as a defeat for George Bush and the USA.
Okay I’ll admit it. The lives of our troops mean nothing to the neocons. The only thing that matters is defeat for their political opponents. Why else would they wait six months to invade Fallujah until after the election? Because their only calculus is political.
It is Bush and his supporters who constantly downplay the deaths of our troops. I’ve even heard some say that 2,000 killed isn’t that much. And that the media shouldn’t spend so much time reporting on the “bad news.”
November 21st, 2005 at 2:42 pm63 & 64 Thanks Ron for telling me where to get a scorecard to keep up with the lies and flip-flops from the Bushie’s…unfortunately looks like I’m going to have to get new computer with a massive amount of memory just to download it all )))
November 21st, 2005 at 2:42 pmI-R-I, Popcorn’s popping!!!
November 21st, 2005 at 2:42 pm#79 good point. They want to make sure that if they can’t hold on to power here, they want America to fail everywhere.
Obviously, right IRI?
November 21st, 2005 at 2:44 pmGREED
November 21st, 2005 at 2:45 pm54# whats the UK royal family got to do with it?leave em alone.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:45 pmGREED,CORRUPTION,LIES= HATE!
November 21st, 2005 at 2:48 pmCHENY FEARS LOSING THE OIL FIELDS OF WEALTH!
Ron
I read some more on rense.com. They have a story on their about WWII and the Nazi concentration camps. Here’s a quote …
“International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews”
… I assure you, reading the entire story is much worse than my quote. That site seems to be pure trash Ron.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:49 pmLet Bin Laden be president of Iraq. At least then we’ll know where the hell he is.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:49 pmA Real Father – You’re begining to channel Yoda (Fear leads to anger …)
November 21st, 2005 at 2:52 pmHas anyone read the articles regarding Iraq in the current issue of The Atlantic? One of them posits what are the possible consequences of pulling out of Iraq and the other is about the true troop strength of the Iraqi army.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:52 pmI don’t think Cheney cares about Bin Laden ruling Iraq after a US pullout.
After all, they gave up on caring about where Bin Laden was a long time ago. (”I don’t think about him much anymore,” said W.)
What they are concerned about is the justified political recriminations that will result in their monstrously failed policy in Iraq.
Iraq failure -> shift in national Party in power -> congressional investigations -> shit hitting fans: lies exposed, criminal behavior unmasked, indictments, trial and convictions, etc.
They don’t give a shit about anything but themselves. They’re sacrificing American lives every day in Iraq to save their sorry asses from being exposed.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:54 pmI checked out those two websites (www.cloakanddagger.de
and http://www.rense.com). One of them has a story about Hitler being a British “agent†and the other one had a story about UFOs in Puerto Rico.
Comment by Giacomo (aka GeoMetro)
Jeff Rense is a gay Art Bell. I’m pretty sure Jeff and Justin “Rainman” Raimondo are an item. Check with Ryan “I’m not a homo, really!!” Neat. Rense and Anti-War.com is where he gets all his knowledge and expertise and he should have some juicy details.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:55 pmSee Dick.
See Dick talk.
See Dick drive the loony left crazy.
Pass the popcorn Mighty A and IRI!
November 21st, 2005 at 2:56 pmIf the “flypaper strategy” of attracting terrorists to someone else’s country for us to destroy them were either effective or morally acceptable, wouldn’t attracting bin Laden or al Zawahiri to Iraq be its highest form? The fact that Cheney doesn’t want this to happen shows that – unless he’s actively trying to prevent the capture of bin Laden et al – he doesn’t really believe in the flypaper strategy after all. There goes one more made-up after-the-fact rationalization for the war in Iraq.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:57 pmGREED,CORRUPTION,LIES=HATE,HATE,HATE!
November 21st, 2005 at 2:58 pmFREEDOM IS NOT FREE.FREEDOM BUBBLE WILL BURST!
Ron
You never answered my post #68 … how can “15 families … own 95% of the worlds money”.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:59 pm#79 good point. They want to make sure that if they can’t hold on to power here, they want America to fail everywhere.
Obviously, right IRI?
Comment by cyncial ex-hippie
Well, let’s face it, democracy hasn’t worked out all the well for the Donks as of late so why should they get all excited about exporting democracy to heathen third world shit-holes?
Now, if they could export some of their Liberal law creating judges and a few Hollywood Leftist Stars then they’d be all hot and bothered about the prospects for creating a “Progressive Mideast”. I’m pretty sure they know that would suit their agenda better than the aiding and abetting of terrorists that they are doing now.
November 21st, 2005 at 3:00 pmand yes,cheney is greedy!
November 21st, 2005 at 3:01 pmThey still think that because they think and say something it will be true. Selling the war gave them a false sense of worth.
November 21st, 2005 at 3:01 pmI don’t think a picture of Cheney without a scowl even exists…
November 21st, 2005 at 3:01 pm#67 Do you really think that the world as it is today under Bush and his cohorts is exactly how you envision it should be? Do you enjoy the fact that every civilized, and many not-so-civilied, country in the world despises us? Do you think that it’s a good thing that China now has more troops, more money (including holding most of the US debt) and therefore more leverage to make demands of the US without having to cave on human rights? Do you really think that it’s in the best interests of our country that we stoop to barbarism? Do you care at all about human rights, or do you go along with the Republican torture line? And do you really believe, deep down, that ANY Americans, liberal or whatever, WANT another Vietnam, with 58,000 troops killed? Try using your brain and some common sense once in a while.
November 21st, 2005 at 3:02 pmSee Dick.
See Dick talk.
See Dick drive the loony left crazy.
Pass the popcorn Mighty A and IRI!
Comment by cynicon implant
I get no pleasure out of this. Really. It’s a lot like beating up retards. (Or it seems like it would be though I’ve never actually beat up a retard.)
Ok. I lied about that.
November 21st, 2005 at 3:04 pmGREED,CORRUPTION,LIES=HATE,HATE,HATE!
FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.FREEDOM BUBBLE WILL BURST!
and yes,cheney is greedy!
November 21st, 2005 at 3:05 pmCHENY FEARS LOSING THE OIL FIELDS OF WEALTH!
Do you think they let OBL get away at
November 21st, 2005 at 3:05 pmTora Bora so they would have this excuse?
OBL does make a convenient “evildoer”
to have around for easy exploitation.
#67 Do you really think that the world as it is today under Bush and his cohorts is exactly how you envision it should be? Do you enjoy the fact that every civilized, and many not-so-civilied, country in the world despises us? Do you think that it’s a good thing that China now has more troops, more money (including holding most of the US debt) and therefore more leverage to make demands of the US without having to cave on human rights? Do you really think that it’s in the best interests of our country that we stoop to barbarism? Do you care at all about human rights, or do you go along with the Republican torture line? And do you really believe, deep down, that ANY Americans, liberal or whatever, WANT another Vietnam, with 58,000 troops killed? Try using your brain and some common sense once in a while.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
High Jane. How’s Utopia working out for you?
November 21st, 2005 at 3:06 pm“It’s a lot like beating up retards. (Or it seems like it would be though I’ve never actually beat up a retard.)
Ok. I lied about that. ”
Typical republican. Real brave when it comes to one on one with the mentally challenged. Takes one to beat one up I guess.
November 21st, 2005 at 3:07 pm“It’s a lot like beating up retards.”
-I-Right-I
November 21st, 2005 at 3:08 pmDo you think they let OBL get away at
Tora Bora so they would have this excuse?
OBL does make a convenient “evildoerâ€
to have around for easy exploitation.
Comment by afterthought
Ossama is dead and there is no lack of evil-do’ers. Besides, all your ass are belong to us and we don’t need no stinking badges, or excuses.
November 21st, 2005 at 3:08 pm“It’s alot like having intercourse with a corpse”
-I-Right-I
November 21st, 2005 at 3:09 pm#110.?
November 21st, 2005 at 3:10 pmCheney: If U.S. Troops Come Home, Osama Bin Laden Will Rule Iraq .
Did you forget to tell Cheney that OBL was Dead?
#110.????
November 21st, 2005 at 3:10 pmCheney: If U.S. Troops Come Home, Osama Bin Laden Will Rule Iraq .
Did you forget to tell Cheney that OBL was Dead?
Cheney was speaking metaphorically? OBL?
November 21st, 2005 at 3:11 pmIf Osama is dead, why does Dick “5 deferments” Cheney
November 21st, 2005 at 3:11 pmkeep bringing him up?
GREED,CORRUPTION,LIES=HATE,HATE,HATE!
FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.FREEDOM BUBBLE WILL BURST!
and yes,cheney is greedy!
November 21st, 2005 at 3:11 pmCHENY FEARS LOSING THE OIL FIELDS OF WEALTH!
Commander Codpiece (HT BillMon) uses OBL
November 21st, 2005 at 3:14 pmwhenever useful too.
Boy, that stopped them dead in thier tracks, I wonder what they will throw next, an off topic?
November 21st, 2005 at 3:15 pmOssama is dead and there is no lack of evil-do’ers. Besides, all your ass are belong to us and we don’t need no stinking badges, or excuses.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 21, 2005 @ 3:08 pm
November 21st, 2005 at 3:17 pm????????????????????????????????????????????????
Did YOU forget to tell your good buddy Dick Cheney that OBL WAS DEAD????
I-Right-I is the kind of neo-Nazi fascist skinhead who beats up mentally handicapped people.
At least he admits it.
November 21st, 2005 at 3:22 pmPlease forgive, off point here. Is Bush, Cheney or Mr (R) going to serve turkey to the troops this year?..Any bet’s, comments. Or maybe the crow faced Rummy will be nominated, oh wait, it will be dreadful Rove and his fatter than him friend…Blessings
November 21st, 2005 at 3:24 pmOk. I lied about that. â€
Typical republican. Real brave when it comes to one on one with the mentally challenged. Takes one to beat one up I guess.
Comment by Bob Loblaw
Telling half truths is still a lie Bob. I mean’t item 1. I lied about not getting pleasure out of handing losers like you your ass in a basket. And yes, I knew some dumbass would post exactly what you posted.
November 21st, 2005 at 3:25 pmMaybe they can serve crow at the WH instead?
November 21st, 2005 at 3:25 pm#122,
November 21st, 2005 at 3:27 pmThen why did you post something stupid?
Ossama is dead and there is no lack of evil-do’ers. Besides, all your ass are belong to us and we don’t need no stinking badges, or excuses.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 21, 2005 @ 3:08 pm
November 21st, 2005 at 3:27 pm????????????????????????????????????????????????
Did YOU forget to tell your good buddy Dick Cheney that OBL WAS DEAD????
IRI — Keep it going, you got me howling here!
November 21st, 2005 at 3:30 pmCheney: If U.S. Troops Come Home, Osama Bin Laden
Cheney trying to confuse the matter? That’s never happened before, has it?
November 21st, 2005 at 3:31 pmOsama who? Been so long since the Bushies said anything about him I forgot he was still free and apparently not a focus of any anti-terrorism efforts. Bin who?
November 21st, 2005 at 3:32 pm“I…pleasure…your ass.”
-I-Right-I
November 21st, 2005 at 3:32 pm” Keep it going, you got me howling here”
-cynicon implant
November 21st, 2005 at 3:33 pmIRI, would you like to answer any of the questions I posed?
#122, IRI ALWAYS posts something stupid, because he never actually has any thoughts or positions of his own to expound. Just talking points and hate.
November 21st, 2005 at 3:33 pmI hate hate.
November 21st, 2005 at 3:35 pmLeave the trolls alone; the attention only encourages them.
November 21st, 2005 at 3:35 pmLAChuck,
Isn’t it about time for a “Where is Osama” media campaign?
November 21st, 2005 at 3:35 pmThink of it this way, all of this trolling could mean republicans are in their last throes.
Hey trolls, what about Abramoff? What do you guys think should happen to all of these lovely gentlemen?
November 21st, 2005 at 3:39 pmIt is all about probabilities. If the US pulls out the probability is higher that Iraq will fall to Al Qeada. If the US stays the probability is better that a liberal democracy will flourish.
November 21st, 2005 at 3:42 pmCynicon, why don’t you and IRI just get together and keep each other amused, instead of bothering the rest of us? You’re not contributing anything here.
November 21st, 2005 at 3:42 pmP&P, the crooks (like Abramoff) should go to jail. The non-crooks (like Cheney) should keep doing what they are doing and not listen to the lies that spewed about them daily.
November 21st, 2005 at 3:43 pmOh Matt…
Where’s the data, blah blah blah…
November 21st, 2005 at 3:44 pmSorry, Jane. I thought this was a comedy site. It is pretty hilarious sometimes
November 21st, 2005 at 3:45 pmIRI “I mean’t item 1. I lied about not getting pleasure out of handing losers like you your ass in a basket. And yes, I knew some dumbass would post exactly what you posted.”
Oh boy you really got me IRI. Boy now I see the light. Bush – good. Torture – good. Lie – Good. You sure showed me.
IRI “Telling half truths is still a lie Bob. ” That’s the point idiot. You finally get it. You might also realize that asking questions like “Would the United States and other free nations be better off or worse off with Zarqawi, Bin Laden and Zawahiri in control Iraq?” is a worthless way to argue a point but then, that’s the repuclican way.
November 21st, 2005 at 3:46 pmGot Bin Laden?
November 21st, 2005 at 3:47 pm“I hate hate.
Comment by cynicon implant”
Self hate underlies the pathology of all reichwingers.
November 21st, 2005 at 3:53 pmRyan, don’t hate me because I’m beautiful.
November 21st, 2005 at 3:55 pmSee Think Progress.
November 21st, 2005 at 3:57 pmSee Thing Progress posts.
See Thing Progress posts drive I-Right-I crazy.
See ElectricBassPlayer wish he had a new keyboard.
;-)
November 21st, 2005 at 3:58 pmThe country is simply drifting. No one is at the rudder. If this country had a history of coups, this would be the time.
November 21st, 2005 at 3:58 pmThis administration is intent on manipulating unadroit minds. Cheney demonstrated the method: SHIFT Since Cheney can hardly create new facts without being bashed, he muddles the facts and mixes up the rationales.
In this little speech Cheney first explains that after the first Gulf War, the U.N. required Iraq to provide evidence that it was giving up any WMD programs and that THE BURDEN OF PROOF was on Iraq. Thats fine and dandy. But later in the speech, Cheney says for purposes of going to WAR, the burden of proof was on Iraq to rebutt Bush Jr.’s claim that Iraq has WMD. Cheney has commited an egregious manipulation. The burden of proof for Bush’s assertion certainly was not on IRAQ. This may be Cheney’s worldview, but the rest of America operates where the BUREDEN OF PROOF rests on the ACCUSOR.
I can see why this administration is hated. They manipulate plain English. And the only ones fooled by it are the ones who cant undertand or don’t want to realize the damage this administration is doing.
Has government always been deceitful and it’s just increasingly obvious. Was there ever any honor?
November 21st, 2005 at 4:00 pmCynicon, you want comedy, watch The Daily Show.
November 21st, 2005 at 4:04 pm#143 Ryan, can you even begin to imagine the level of self-hatred for gay GOP’ers like Mehlman, Drudge, and Dreier? It’s frightening to even contemplate it.
November 21st, 2005 at 4:05 pmJane, what’s the “E” stand for?
November 21st, 2005 at 4:13 pmJane,
Why do we care what other nations think? The U.N. is a total joke anyway, largely controlled by dictatorships and will no real authority. We are the world’s only superpower but try to use any of that influence on the rest of the world and the left goes crazy. The real reason why the left does not want us to succeed in Iraq is that it will mean a victory for the Bush foreign policy and a loss for all those opposed to the war. Do you want to know who is in a quagmire? Its Al Qaeda. They are the ones who are stuck in Iraq, banking on the American Left and media to force us to leave. Well, we haven’t cut and run yet and we sure as hell are not going to do it now. As the Iraqi army and security forces increase in strength, it is only a matter of time until Al Qaeda is forced from Iraq. I pity the country that takes them in. As for torture, I do not support torture in the terms of the Geneva convention. But these guys do not abide by the Geneva convention do they? In addition, forcing a detainee to wear pantyhose etc. is not what I would consider torture. What they do to us is far more brutal. What Saddam did to his own people was far more brutal. There is a huge difference between Iraq and Vietnam. There have been two significant elections and a third one coming. We have made an amazing amount of progress that the left-wing controlled media doesn’t want you to know about. Iraq is no Vietnam. I do use my brain, unlike you, which is why I visit sites such as this one to broaden my knowledge. (Although, the only thing I learn here is that the left is nothing but a bunch of cowards who hate Bush) Try thinking for yourself sometime. Its really refreshing.
November 21st, 2005 at 4:14 pmCheney,
November 21st, 2005 at 4:24 pmIf you’re worried about Bin Laden ruling Iraq, why did you and Rumsfeld never take him out of the equation? That is part of the incompetance, the administration let itself get distracted by Iraq rather than complete the job in Afganistan. You guys are doing one helova job.
“Ryan, don’t hate me because I’m beautiful.
Comment by cynicon implant”
Bahaha, delusion is the funniest part of republican values…
November 21st, 2005 at 4:34 pm#152, by “influence”, do you mean agression? Most sane people would disagree with using agression against the rest of the world just to enforce our so-called American ideals, the same way that most sane people would disagree with, say, China using agression against us to make us into their image.
Can you also define “winning” in Iraq? If our goal was to “find WMDs”, well, that’s not happening. If our goal/excuse #2 was to set up a democracy even somewhat reflective of the U.S. version, it would a welcome miracle, but that’s pretty unlikely. The “significant elections” have set up an Islamic theocracy where women have fewer rights than they did under Saddam, so I don’t think that was our goal going into Iraq. If our goal was to “win the war on terror”, that’s not going to happen by defeating insurgents in only one country, so that’s not a likely scenario in Iraq. (Also, can someone else check to see if Iraq signed the Geneva Conventions? I truly have no idea.) However, what’s the point of being a supposed moral leader in the world if our word and signed treaties mean nothing?
Cynicon, what on earth do you care what my middle initial stands for?
November 21st, 2005 at 4:34 pmI always think it’s funny how reichwinger seem so worried about Bin Laden, yet they never seem to prioritize his capture. We have a +/- 130,000 american troops in Iraq, and none of them are looking for Bin Laden.
It would seem that if one were actually worried about Bin Laden (the guy we say attacked us), we’d actually make him our top priority. And yet, that’s not the case.
So once again, republicans can’t keep their eye on the ball, because their hand is in the till! Oil is what we’re after in Iraq, and that’s why republicans will stay. It has NOTHING to do with AlQueda, and the little conservatards who think it is are just simpletons.
November 21st, 2005 at 4:38 pmRyan … your point would make sense if we had no one looking for Bin Laden. Not all of our troops are in Iraq and we still are actively looking for him … your point is rather silly.
And you say “the guy we say attacked us” … what are you inferring?
November 21st, 2005 at 4:48 pmAnd since Iraqi oil production is now higher than pre-war levels, and since the war is over said oil … why am I paying $2.50 a gallon still?
I still can’t see how you can substantiate that the war’s over oil (other than the fact that Repubs tend to be into big business and making profits). I wish you would cite that so I could read it.
November 21st, 2005 at 4:52 pmGiacomo,
Who told you that.
In 2000, Iraq was producing 2.5 million barrels a day. They’re lucky if they can maintain 2.1 million barrels now.
Is that the ‘new math’ that lets you believe this is happening, or did you just pull that number from your ass?
November 21st, 2005 at 5:01 pm#138 So who decides who is a crook, cynicon?
November 21st, 2005 at 5:02 pm# 157.
November 21st, 2005 at 5:02 pmheres your sign.
http://changingminds.org/
“your point would make sense if we had no one looking for Bin Laden. Not all of our troops are in Iraq and we still are actively looking for him … your point is rather silly.” GeoMetro,
Actually what’s ’silly’ is your retarded response. If we’re worried about a ‘Bin Laden’ Iraq, then that implies he’s our greatest threat. If that were true, then the MAJORITY of troops should be looking for him – which is not the case.
“And you say “the guy we say attacked us†… what are you inferring? ”
This administration certainly doesn’t act like they’re dealing with the man who attacked us. He hardly seems a priority at all. The only time Bin Laden’s name appears to be mentioned is election time, or when they’re trying to scare up funding in iraq.
Republicans are acting entirely politically and entirely irresponsibly!
You guys can’t pull your heads out of your ass long enough to finish any mission long enough before you’re on to the next losing venture. Republicans are already rattling their swords at Syria and Iran, and Iraq and Afghanistan are both messes! It’s like watching Enron running warfare!
November 21st, 2005 at 5:05 pmhttp://changingminds.org/explanations/sift/infer.htm#stuff
November 21st, 2005 at 5:07 pmStaying the course is about securing the oil supply, they don’t give a rat’s ass about your security, or my security.
November 21st, 2005 at 5:13 pmIraq has historically produced anywhere from 0.3 to 3.7 million barrels per day. They peaked at 2.5 in 2000 but averaged much less than that from 1996 to 2003. You are right with your 2.1 million figure …
Do you really expect the administration to advertise what they’re doing to catch UBL … who has a TV of his very own. Do you think they’ve slowed on their pursuit of a guy whom, if they caught, they could parade through every media venue and earn an instant 10 point swing in approval ratings (maybe more, maybe less). This has to make sense to you.
November 21st, 2005 at 5:14 pm#163 -
November 21st, 2005 at 5:16 pmWhoever put up that flow diagram needs some basic training in logic flow.
AKA, stick with it. I know its hard but eventually reality will hit them, and when it does, look for suicide rates jumping over the roof.
November 21st, 2005 at 5:16 pmhttp://changingminds.org/explanations/sift/infer.htm#stuff
Bin Laden isn’t from Iraq, isn’t there now. OIL IS.
November 21st, 2005 at 5:17 pmI,ve been through Basic Training 30 years ago.
November 21st, 2005 at 5:18 pmHow about You?
WusstheBoy.
November 21st, 2005 at 5:19 pm46
November 21st, 2005 at 5:19 pmMilitary Basic Training?
November 21st, 2005 at 5:20 pmYou bet!
November 21st, 2005 at 5:21 pm“They peaked at 2.5 in 2000 but averaged much less than that from 1996 to 2003. ” GeoNoGo
And yet that’s right before the war, and it completely contradicts your ridiculous claims.
“Do you really expect the administration to advertise what they’re doing to catch UBL …” GeoBlowsBush
No I expect them to get off of their incompetent asses and get the job done! It’s been 4 years, there’s no excuse that could merit this level of failure!
Wake up your retarded nitwit!
November 21st, 2005 at 5:21 pm46 years ago? oh boy. that explains it all.
November 21st, 2005 at 5:21 pmWouldn’t it just have been cheaper and easier to have found a reason to forgive Saddam’s past indiscretions (for example see “A. Chalabiâ€) to achieve the greater good ( for backround see “oil propfitsâ€)?
November 21st, 2005 at 5:21 pmThis war would be the same war if it was held just about anywhere in the middle east or North Africa. Build it and the insurgents will come. But it just so happens to be coincidentally where the second largest oil supply is. The war can’t be at the first largest oil supply, the Arabs are our “allies”, the little two faced mo-fo’s.
November 21st, 2005 at 5:23 pmAll you oil slicksters need to stop spilling your rufuse!
November 21st, 2005 at 5:24 pm152 – drank the cool-aid
November 21st, 2005 at 5:25 pm#179,
No kidding. Iraqis when polled this month actually say americans are more brutal and oppressive than Saddam was. It’s part of why the insurgency has been able to draw so many participants.
Republicans run wars like Enron ran financial statements. Bad planning, bad execution all encased in lies.
November 21st, 2005 at 5:27 pmIt’s all about the oil, if you don’t think so, you have been fooled.
Let me guess, LAChuck, you are older, and think oil will last forever, and you love to daydream about the industrial revolution and WWII?
November 21st, 2005 at 5:27 pm181 – took me serious. Funny.
November 21st, 2005 at 5:30 pmI would sure like to know how they come up with “left” media. Can the trolls please explain that? Why do you say they are “left?” What makes them “left” and how do you arrive at that conclusion?
November 21st, 2005 at 5:31 pmhttp://thinkprogress.org/
November 21st, 2005 at 5:31 pmnew breaking story, and this one ought to get real good.
Sorry LAChuck.
November 21st, 2005 at 5:32 pmIf Rove was really as smart as everyone says he is then Rove would have Cheney’s mouth duct tape shut.
November 21st, 2005 at 5:40 pmI don’t understand why they let Cheney talk. He is burying the GOP deeper with every speech.
Don’t blame Rove. Attacking your opponent’s patriotism worked a year ago!
Maybe they need another tax cut?
November 21st, 2005 at 5:41 pm“The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive the ‘TV watcher’ to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money.”
http://thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3836
“Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that “Al Qaeda” is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis…”
November 21st, 2005 at 5:44 pm#7Is this Dick’s heart trouble going undetected, or something? He seems to be having trouble with reality.
Comment by Jesus Christ God of WAR — November 21, 2005 @ 12:40 pm
How can a deep,dark and bottomless Black-Hole, ever be a Heart? Much less detected. =) –Aj
November 21st, 2005 at 5:50 pmLiberal (defined) (the GOOD people of Think Progress)
adj.
Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
It’s a good thing.
November 21st, 2005 at 5:55 pmFanatic defined (the Bush lovers)
adj.
Marked by excessive enthusiasm for and intense devotion to a cause or idea; “rabid isolationist” [syn: fanatical, overzealous, rabid] n : a person motivated by irrational enthusiasm (as for a cause); “A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject”–Winston Churchill [syn: fiend]
Definitely not a good thing.
November 21st, 2005 at 5:56 pmWe say we want to build a ‘democracy’ in Iraq, and yet we refuse to acknowledge the outcome of their democratic expressions.
“Iraqi leaders, meeting at a reconciliation conference in Cairo, urged an end to violence in the country and demanded a timetable for the withdrawal of coalition troops from Iraq.”
Even the retarded republicans who claim we want to save them from Bin Laden must realize that this implies we want them to be a ‘puppet’ government instead of a democracy in this case. If the democratically elected government says – get out – then we’re hypocrites for doing otherwise!
November 21st, 2005 at 6:16 pmSeymour Hersh: Bush Authorized Covert Plan to Manipulate Iraqi Elections:
November 21st, 2005 at 7:15 pmhttp://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/19/1353243
See here gullible public; If we leave Endor,Lando will resurface to lead the rebel Federation forces. That is why we have to stay the course, and chill on the Deathstar until we get our death ray up and working. Until then we will train Jabba the Huts forces for eventual takeover.
November 21st, 2005 at 7:15 pm“No kidding. Iraqis when polled this month actually say americans are more brutal and oppressive than Saddam was.” _RyANNE
November 21st, 2005 at 8:36 pm*****This after reading too much “Think Pessimism”. You forgot to mention that polled Iraqis were getting a little tired of being attacked by other Muslims – those darn Sunnis! You have the most convenient memory – did they only do 1/2 of your lobotomy?
Ryan,
If your boy Clinton hadn’t been too busy getting a bj in the oval office, we would have already had Bin Laden. His conservation with the Sudanese government was caught on tape. So, don’t give me this bullshit about Bush not catching Bin Laden. We already had him once but your guy let him go because he said he had no way to keep him. Besides, when we do finally get Bin Laden, do you really think that will end the threat of terrorism. Are you really that naive?
November 21st, 2005 at 8:40 pmRandy,
So you’re saying Clinton was more effective when he wanted to be than Bush is when he tries? I’d agree with that assessment…
Doesn’t say much for republicans though, does it.
November 21st, 2005 at 8:57 pmMightyHermaphrodite,
45% of those felt the attacks were justified though, now THAT’s a scarey number to a sane person, guess you’re out of the loop there man-girl.
November 21st, 2005 at 8:57 pmRandy,
Terrorism is caused by stupid republican policies, until you guys stop supporting dictators, there’s not going to be an end to terrorism. It was your ridiculous mindwashing VP who claimed this would be a ‘Bin Laden’ country, like Bin Laden was the new messiah or something. Frankly only a retard believes that, just like only a retard believes fighting folks in Iraq reduces terrorism. You guys are all ignorant idiots!
If you and your other reichwing idiots during the 1950s-1980s in particular hadn’t supported tyrants for oil, there wouldn’t be the terrorism in the world that exists!
November 21st, 2005 at 9:01 pmRyan,
You retard. The point I was making was that we could have had OBL locked up by now and possibly have prevented 9/11. But thanks to WJC’s using his other head to do most of his thinking, we are still after him. Just think, what if Clinton had responded with military force after the U.S. Cole had been attacked. Instead, he chose to cut and run. This gave the impression that we were weak and would not retaliate if attacked again. Just face it. This is the reason why you guys lost in ‘04 and why you’ll lose again in ‘08. Unless, of course, you change your position on terrorism.
November 21st, 2005 at 9:04 pmCheney had a day today of denials, conflations, contradictions and more lies.
November 21st, 2005 at 9:24 pmIf we had not invaded Iraq, would Bin Laden even be there, being that Hussein and OBL didn’t like each other?
Let’s see, we have Cheney, who is overheating his pacemaker so the blood flow to his brain is impaired running this war with Rumsfeld, who is demonstrating daily his slow decline into senility – or is it madness? Add to those two a belligerent ignoramus for president and we see we have the Republican equivalent of Curly, Moe and Larry.
This would all be so hilarious if it weren’t so tragic.
#188 is the most interesting thing on this thread. Trolls? Any rebuttals to that? Any talking points?
November 21st, 2005 at 9:40 pmSo the Vice Prez appears before AEI, The American Enterprise Institute, a second fiddle NeoCon Dumb Tank announcing that if we leave Iraq, Osama and the other two, one of whom has more lives and whereabouts and should be the envy of most stage magicians. These terror-meisters will rule Iraq with the intent on destroying our country. Have I got it? Yep, one cave dwelling wanna-be Caliph tethered to a dialysis machine, and WE with a defense budget which exceeds all the nations on earth combined are suppose to cower in our boots!
It’s the Oil thing folks. The war in terror is a subterfuge for the NeoCon agenda of promoting continuous war with the aim of establishing permanent bases across the Mid Eastern-Eurasian geographical corridor adjacent to the Caspian Sea Basin reserves. It’s called IMPERIALISM, something our Founding Fathers warned US against!!!
November 21st, 2005 at 9:59 pmBasically, the administration is trying to make the old dominoes theory for the Middle East… i.e. if a certain country would have gone communist, then all the countries in that area will fall like dominoes to communism.
November 21st, 2005 at 10:33 pmThis new domino theory pushed by Cheney & co purports that if Iraq goes to the “terrorists” (whoever they may be) then the whole region will eventually go that way.
Another thing we learned in Viet Nam is that the domino theory doesn’t hold water. It did not happen. If we deal with the withdrawal well and practice strong diplomacy we can avoid it from happening now too.
Drudge is reporting that CNN briefly and repeatedly flashed a big black X over the fce of Cheney during his speech. Is this Drudge paranoia or what happened?
November 21st, 2005 at 10:40 pm#200 Randy, come on, that’s weak. It’s weaselly. Here’s what I do know:
1) When Clinton attacked Sudan and Afghanistan in response to the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, he was mercilessly ripped by the Republicans, saying he was “wagging the dog.” What would you have done, have him invade Afghanistan then? He would NEVER have gotten congressional support for it.
2) When Bush invaded Afghanistan in response to the 9/11 attack, he received unanimous (well, I think there was one dissenter) support. Full, complete, and unstinting support. And then YOUR president pussed out and gave up.
3) When Clinton left office, Richard Clarke stayed on as counter-terrorsim director. There was a plan in place to monitor and contain Osama bin Laden but the Bush administration never implemented it because it was somehow radioactive because it originated from Clinton. Dick Cheney was named head of a White House group to work on terrorism-related issues that met. . . ZERO TIMES before 9/11.
4) On August 6, 2001, one month before the attack on the Twin Towers, Harriet Miers handed George Bush a Presidential Daily Briefing entitled, “Bin Laden Determined To Strike US”. You can see it at
http://www.veterans2008.org/bush2004/warning%20pg1.jpg
What did George Bush do in response to this? N-O-T-H-I-N-G!!!!!!
This is in stark contrast to Clinton’s reaction when intelligence indicated there would be an attack in the US on New Year’s Day, 2000. The increased state of awareness from the top down resulted a customs agent discovering plastic explosive in a car at the border crossing in Washington state — the “MIllennium Plot.”
I laugh at you Republicans. Your president isn’t just a scumbag and an international joke, he’s a dangerous fool, and I think you guys secretly know it. That’s why you attack, attack, attack, because it’s making you insane like HAL 9000.
November 21st, 2005 at 10:47 pmWell said, EBP, concise and factual. Should be easy enough for a troll to grasp.
November 21st, 2005 at 11:22 pmWell Cheney say if the U.S. leaves then Iraqi forces would be completely incapable of defending the country against terrorists and Osama Bin Laden is going to rule the country. Well no one will listen to you even if you are right this time because you have loosed the confidence of people and everyone will think this is an another lie.
November 22nd, 2005 at 2:27 amIts true If U.S. leaves, Iraqi forces would be completely incapable of defending the country against terrorists and Osama Bin Laden or any other terrorist will rule the country. We people should understand the situation because we had already made a mistake of going there but if we make mistake again by coming back with making things better there, we will make a biggest mistake.
November 22nd, 2005 at 2:59 amIts true If U.S. leaves, Iraqi forces would be completely incapable of defending the country against terrorists and Osama Bin Laden or any other terrorist will rule the country. We people should understand the situation because we had already made a mistake of going there but if we make mistake again by coming back without making things better there, we will again make a biggest mistake
November 22nd, 2005 at 3:01 amApparently Usama is no longer wanted for 911….
November 22nd, 2005 at 3:24 amhttp://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
Does a bj take THAT long for you Randy? Bush takes more time trying to dress himself and still misses buttons.
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:12 amBILL CLINTON ROCKS! That was for the trolls.
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:13 amI lived and worked in Iraq late 80’s. Everything worked okay. Saddam had roughly 2,5 million looking after HIS security. They did a great job, no terrorists, rarely an assassination attempt. Now. The Iraqis are well used to looking after themselves and Cheney obviously didn’t make the visits to see Saddam that Rummy did. For sure when all those “liberators” leave and the new Mukhabarat get’s it’s act together yet again, security in Iraq will prevail once more. The only snag will be that having got rid of one dictator, he’ll be replaced by something even worse. And that… was not in the master plan er… was it?
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:54 amSeems like the Iraqi Puppets now want us to set a timetable..So using the chickenhawks logic a) the Iraqis want to embolden the insurgents B) want Bin Laden and Zaquari to run the country and C) turn Iraq into a training ground for Al Quida….I guess the A Team in the White House is just sitting around saying “I love it when a plan comes together”
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:12 amHow nice if Cheney had pointed out instead, that if he and Chimpy had been actually doing their jobs rather than futzing around in Iraq, Zarqawi, Bin Laden and Zawahiri, would all be dead and we wouldn’t be listening to him spout this crap now.
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Makow – Zionists
Double-Crossed Iraqi Jews
The Cartel Cons Humanity
By Henry Makow, Ph.D.
2-3-3
In 1950, a wave of anti Semitism and terrorism in Iraq made Naeim Giladi, 21, join the Zionist underground.
Giladi was imprisoned, tortured and sentenced to death by Iraqi authorities. He escaped and fled to Israel only to discover that the anti Semitism and bombings had been engineered by his fellow Zionists to dupe Iraqi Jews into going to Israel.
Giladi’s family was part of a Jewish community that settled and prospered in Babylon 2600 years ago, 600 years before Christianity, 1200 years before Islam.
Then in the late 1940’s, the Prime Minister Nouri-el-Said fired Jewish government employees, denied permits to Jewish merchants, and finally, in March 1950, deprived Jews of their citizenship. Still they did not leave.
A month later, a series of terrorist bombings started the wave of emigration. By January 1951 when a bomb was thrown at a synagogue killed three and wounded 30, the exodus of frightened Jews jumped to 600-700 per day.
When Giladi’s father discovered his son had joined the Zionists, he was sceptical. “You’ll come home with your tail between your legs,” he said.
But Giladi was young and idealistic. Jews were being killed and Zionism represented a chance to build a national home. “I was a true believer,” he writes.
In an essay “The Jews of Iraq”, which is on line, Giladi describes his bitter realization that Zionists were behind the anti Semitism and bombings. http://www.ameu.org/printer.asp?iid=36&aid=72
Unknown to Giladi, two members of the Zionist Underground had been arrested and confessed that they had carried out the terrorist attacks.
A book, “Venom of the Zionist Viper,” by an Iraqi investigator names Zionist “emissary” Mordecai Ben-Porat as the organizer. The book was banned in Israel.
Iraqi Prime Minister Said was a British pawn. He met Israeli PM David Ben Gurion in Vienna in 1948 and agreed to transfer the Iraqi Jews to Israel as part of the elite geopolitical program.
This and other Zionist crimes against Jews are documented in Giladi’s book, “Ben Gurion’s Scandals: How the Mossad and the Haganah Eliminated Jews,”(1992) which will be republished by Dandelion Books this spring.
By January 1952, all but 6,000 of 125,000 Iraqi Jews had fled to Israel where as “Arab Jews,” they were treated as second-class citizens. Israel wanted them to perform the menial jobs vacated by the Palestinians. Between the Iraqi and Israeli governments, the Iraqi Jews lost much of their wealth.
Of his people, Giladi concludes: “An ancient, cultured prosperous community had been uprooted and its people transplanted to a land dominated by East European Jews, whose culture was not only foreign but entirely hateful to them.”
Their fate was typical of all 500,000 Jews from Arab countries. This belies the Zionist argument that these Jews were expelled from Muslim countries and make up for displaced Palestinians.
Giladi discovered that Israel had spurned many sincere Arab peace overtures because of its expansionist plans. He met Prime Minister Ben Gurion and asked him why Israel didn’t have a constitution.
‘If we had a constitution, we’d have to have a border, and this is not our border,” Ben Gurion told him. “Where the army conquers, that will be our border.’
Giladi became an activist and fought in the 1967 and 1973 wars. But after the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982, he renounced his Israeli citizenship and moved to New York City.
‘TRUE BELIEVERS’
Giladi’s story suggests that Zionists will kill Jews and use terror against “friendly” targets to advance their interests. In past articles, we have seen how they cooperated with the Nazis. In 1954, they bombed American establishments in Cairo (the “Levon Affair”) to sabotage Egyptian-American relations. http://www.savethemales.ca/091202.html
Some people think they are behind the Hamas. Suicide bombings provided a rationale to destroy the Palestinian infrastructure and “transfer” the Palestinians to Jordan. Ariel Sharon’s body language was noticeably upbeat when he visited bombing sites. http://www.propagandamatrix.com/puppet_on_a_string.html
I won’t dwell on September 11, which I think was perpetrated by the CIA and Mossad. I’d rather focus on the irony that Naeim Giladi almost died for a cause he later repudiated. Tens of millions of “true believers” have been similarly conned.
Zionism cons all Jews. Israelis have been con-scripted in a never-ending colonial war against Muslims. Their supporters in the Diaspora are being compromised morally. But try to warn Zionist “true believers” and you will meet with abuse and ostracism. Zionism is their religion and identity.
Similarly women have been scrammed by feminism. To admit this however, would “negate my whole life,” as one woman put it.
They have missed the boat and now all they have is ideology.
We live in a world where 5% of the people, (i.e. Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Windsors etc.) control 95% of the wealth. From their perspective, we are squatters. They manage us by controlling our belief systems.
They sponsored Communism, Zionism and Feminism to create division and advance their plan for world government. You can see the common pedigree of all three.
In each case, the “party” defines Truth; the end justifies the means; a sugar coating of idealism hides the true agenda; aggression masquerades as grievance; infiltration and subversion are the modus operandi.
The “Left-Right” paradigm in the political arena is also a fraud. The cartel sponsors the Left to co-opt the opposition. The Left spends itself attacking capitalism, when the real culprit is monopoly capital i.e. the Rothschild-Rockefeller cartel that the Left never mentions. Similarly, the Left keeps up the pretence that politicians actually make the decisions.
The cartel set up Communism as a government monopoly and model for their New World Order. For example, Alger Hiss, the original Secretary General of the United Nations was a Soviet Spy and President of the elite Carnegie Endowment in New York. When Whitaker Chambers fingered him, a “who’s who” of the Eastern Establishment and Truman administration rushed to his defence.
Similarly, the “Right” has been co-opted into defending monopoly capital. The real conflict is the cartel (which controls business, government, education and media) vs. the rest of humanity. The world is a two-bit company town.
Capitalism is a healthy system so long as government maintains a balance between the public and private good. Government now is in the cartel’s pocket.
Throughout the 20th Century the wealthy have conned the masses into fighting wars. The First and Second World wars were started to destroy German and English national power. The Korean and Vietnam wars were designed to weaken the United States.
The upcoming American occupation of Iraq may lead to another world war. The U.S. and Israel will exhaust whatever moral capital they have left. They will be vulnerable to retaliation from Egypt, Iran or Syria, backed by Russia, North Korea or China.
There is no end to the machinations of the cartel. After a nuclear conflagration in which millions of “useless eaters” perish, there will be a groundswell calling for world government to “end war forever.”
Like Naiem Giladi, “true believers” should be “disillusioned” sooner better than later.
Henry Makow, Ph.D. is the inventor of the board game Scruples and the author of “A Long Way to go for a Date.” His articles on feminism and the new world order are archived at his site http://www.savethemales.ca He enjoys receiving comments at henrym@mts.net
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November 22nd, 2005 at 10:44 amThe Overthrow Of The
American Republic, Part 76
London Bombings – To Save Bush/Blair/Queen?
by Sherman H. Skolnick
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We might get some early insight into the violence in London by considering some timeline items.
As of July, 2005, the Chicago Special Federal Prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, reportedly had witnesses who already testified before the Special Federal Grand Jury in the outing of a deep cover CIA operative, Valerie Plame, wife of former U.S. Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson 4th, who had publicly criticized George W. Bush for using false data as to Saddam supposedly using uranium, yellow cake it is called, from Niger.
Two or more grand jury witnesses ostensibly testified that George W. Bush himself was aware that Bush White House chief honcho, Karl Rove, was reportedly going to leak data as to Valerie Plame, as a reprisal against her husband for publicly panning Bush.
The federal grand jury already had subpoenas reportedly served and/or testimony received, from and/or about Jeff Gannon, male prostitute that visited some 200 times, on one-day passes, at Bush’s White House apartment, according to U.S. Secret Service records. Those documents, however, do not reflect whether Gannon departed the White House after one day each trip made.
Some witnesses assert that Gannon received the data as to Valerie Plame directly from George W. Bush himself and that reputed journalist Gannon ostensibly conveyed it to
Time Magazine reporter Mathew Cooper, who agrees to now testify after being threatened with contempt of court, and convey the same reportedly to New York Times reporter Judith Miller now jailed for refusing to testify before the Special Federal Grand Jury.
[As to Jeff Gannon, visiti our archives at rense.com as to our series as to Bush and the male prostitute, "The Gannon Cannon".
Fitzgerald also subpoenaed the records of transmissions from Air Force One, Bush's airplane. Unless the subpoena is disobeyed, the resultant items might seem to support other testimony that George W. Bush himself is subject to prosecution for a Federal Criminal Offense in blowing the "cover" of Valerie Plame.
A note about espionage protocol. Covert espionage operatives are usually informed ahead of time of an upcoming violent event, such as a high-level bombing or political assassination, by a strange item in the mass media. A few examples.
Just prior to the public execution of President John F. Kennedy while traveling in an open car, Time Magazine ran a ghastly drawing on its cover showing JFK looking like a dead man, a ghost, sitting in his rocking chair because of his long ailing back.
Similarly, Time Magazine, just prior to the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy, ran a cover story depicting Bobby as a foolish child in a polka dot baby's outfit.
The day before the attempted assassination of newly inauguated President Ronald Reagan, in 1981, was a boxed in item in many mass media newspapers. It stated that just released data shows that a member of British royalty, a prominent militaristic Tory, secretly traveled across the U.S. in 1968, to elicit American elite aid to overthrow the British Labour Government in London.
Covert intelligence dirty tricksters are trained to watch for these tip-offs of upcoming bloodshed events.
So it should come as no surprise that on July 4, 2005, the Queen's news trumpet, the Chicago Tribune, published a possible upcoming mass murder tip-off, of the then upcoming London bombings of July 7, 2005. (According to ownership disclosures required by postal regulations, each newspaper must publish once a year, often way back behind the grocery page, details of the news outlets ownership. The top British royals are major owners of Tribune Company, parent firm of a presslord empire that includes the Chicago Tribune. This media empire gets their pulp and other newsprint from Canadian Jesuit facilities, by way of a perpetual contract originally signed by the King of England in the 19th Century.)
The lengthy Chicago Tribune story was headlined "The queen's eyes in Chicago" July 4, 2005. (We shall attempt to attach herewith a copy.) Notice this item referring to a date 1901:
"1901. After going bankrupt building a Chicago elevated transit line, Charles Yerkes WENT TO ENGLAND AND BUILT THE FIRST SUBSURFACE TRANSIT LINE IN LONDON THAT EVOLVED INTO THE CURRENT UNDERGROUND TRAIN SYSTEM." (Emphasis added.)
To farflung covert dirty tricksters was this the tip-off of upcoming events required by espionage procedures? Advance warning of the London bombings?
Prior to September11, 2001, namely on Saturday, August 18, 2001, the New York Times published a strange story about mysterious squatters secretly living on the 91st floor of one of the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center. Following 9-11, neither the New York Times nor any other media outlet mentioned this strange prior story. We later attached an actual copy from the New York Times archives to one of our stories in this series, Overthrow of the American Republic.
Notice what was pending at the time public attention was diverted by the London bombings including of their very deep in the ground subway:
(1) An unofficial , that is Ad Hoc Committe of the U.S. House of Representatives was quietly considering Resolutions of Impeachment against the occupant and resident of the White House, George W. Bush. Includrd were charges of treason for starting a war without vote of Congress. and on knowingly false and fraudulent data. Including the Bush White House being blackmailed out of U.S. Military secrets by his homosexual activities reportedly with Jeff Gannon and also the once longtime Mayor of Knoxville, Tennessee, Victor Ashe, who left his Knoxville post and was by Bush shipped out of the U.S. to be the Ambassador to Poland, and thus unavailable for questioning by Congressmen. This part of the homosexual media and poilitical underground has been used by the Red Chinese Secret Police to blackmail U.S. weapons secrets out of the Bush White House. [Visit "Overthrow", part 24 http://www.skolnicksreport.com ]
The Ad Hoc Impeachment Resoloution Committee is apparently bi-partisan composed of 40 Democrats and 30 Republicans.
Israeli Intelligence, The Mossad, apparently told the London police authorities in advance of the London bombings what might happen. Because a great number of London security police were in Scotland to protect Bush and Blair at G-8 Super Bankers Conference, only a skeleton police force was available in London. So The Mossad warning was not considered. To clean up possible mention of the bombings being a high-level inside job of a portion of the Anglo-American Aristocracy to protect Bush/Bair/Queen, the London authorities reversed the apparent actual facts and said that the London police informed The Mossad ahead of time.
The Impeachment of Bush Resolutions were reportedly set to be revealed on July 11, 2005.
(2.) Other accusations were quietly pending against Queen of England stooge and scapegoat Tony Blair at the time of the London bombings.
(3.) Some of our websites from as far back as 2000, have posted the document showing that the Bushies have a joint account with Queen Elizabeth 2nd amounting to One Hundred Billion Dollars, in the Queen’s private bank, Coutts Bank London, as shown, arranged by the secret code of Alan Greenspan, head of the Federal Reserve. Daddy Bush was a private business partner with Saddam Hussein and shared many billions of dollars shaken down from the weak Persian Gulf oil-soaked sheikdoms. [Visit http://www.skolnicksreport.com item "The Secrets of Timothy McVeigh".]
Saddam retains (whether actually in U.S. custody or a double in custody or Saddam kept in some foreign embassy); a large financial interest in the Bushie-Queen joint account.
According to the December 19, 2001 issue of London Financial Times, the Queen ordered the head of her private bank to become a part of the Bushie worldwide enterprise, Carlyle Group.
Shortly after the 9-11 high-level inside job, knocking down the Twin Towers with internal explosives, we posted a story that Israeli intelligence, The Mossad, wanted to inform the Bush White House and the Bush Justice Department of the upcoming violence in Lower Manhattan. Upon being rebuffed, the Israelis used the French CIA to so inform Bush and his Justice Department which likewise refused to consider the prior warning.
Stories published in Europe and mostly censored by the U.S. monopoly press, detailed how the Spanish Secret Political Police apparently orchestrated the March, 2005, bombings of trains in Madrid that killed hundreds. Spain’s spy agency sought to blame it on Basque and other extremists. Actually it was done on behalf of the re-emerging crowned heads of Europe, once called the Hapsburgs, including Spain King Juan Carlos.
The Spanish King, late in 2004, met with Bush at Bush’s ranch along with Vicente Fox, President of Mexico. Bush secretly agreed to surrender to Mexico’s sovereignty parts of southern California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. Such a secret arrangement is not only violative of the U.S. Constitution but reverses centures of worldwide history. Hoping to survive, a nation’s leader does not seek to give away territory taken over from a previous war. The parts of U.S. states were won by the U.S. as a result of the U.S.-Mexico War of 1849. George W. Bush commits treason to reverse the same.
Some in the United Kingdom are trying to start a groundswell, that Moslems resident in England, be rounded up and thrown out of the country at once. This apparently a result of local media starting a vicious blame campaign without considering the London bombings being a high-level dirty bloody trick of a portion of the Anglo-American Aristocracy.
(4.) As an indication of a high-level plot, not involving Moslems except possibly as patsies and dupes, the United Kingdom authorities, about a hour before the London bombings, cut off most if not all cell phone traffic. Also arbitrarily cut-off was a great deal of U.K. out-going internet traffic. As part of the BIG LIE, are the U.K. authorities, whitewashing Bush/Blair?Queen, going to deny this as well?
QUESTIONS:
Can George W. Bush, quilty of treason and other offenses against the American people and the U.S. Constitution, be as a practical matter, subject to Impeachment in the midst of the London bombings furor?
Will the commonfolk in England be understanding of possible expected details of a high-level inside job, orchestrated by the Secret Political Police for and on behalf of the British Monarchy?
Can the U.S. and the U.K. avoid martial law hysteria whipped up by the Aristocracy to cancel the U.S. Constitution and the unwritten British “Constitution”?
Do you have any ideas to aid and assist independent bloggers, condemned by the Establishment as being merely “Junkyard Dogs”, for fighting off the BIG LIE as to the true nature of the London bombings?
Is the only remedy now to consider the possibility of chopping off the heads of the Anglo-American Aristocracy for these brazen, barbaric crimes done to consolidate their power?
(We shall attempt to attach July 4, 2005 story of Chicago Tribune.)
Lots more coming. Stay tuned.
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The queen’s eyes in Chicago
British Consulate celebrates 150 years here.
`Let’s just say things have grown in complexity.’
By Mike Conklin
Tribune staff reporter
July 4, 2005
Americans are celebrating Independence Day, but the British Consulate in Chicago also has something special to toast. This is the 150th year for the diplomatic mission here, and two days in 2005 in the life of Deputy Consul Jonathan Darby show just how far its reach has extended in that time.
On the first day, Darby was in Liberal, Kan., in the far southwest corner of the state, to hobnob with Gov. Kathleen Sebelius and other VIPs. Darby was Britain’s official representative to the community’s Pancake Day, an annual festival it celebrates jointly with Olney, England, about 45 miles outside of London.
Twenty-four hours later, Darby was in a penitentiary in the southeast corner of Nebraska, listening to complaints from a British subject serving a life sentence. Monitoring Brits in Midwestern U.S. prisons is also part of the Chicago consulate’s responsibilities.
Pancakes in Kansas? Prisoners in Nebraska? Those certainly weren’t part of the job description in 1855, when Queen Victoria appointed John E. Wilkins to represent the mighty British empire in the new, promising hub on the U.S. frontier known as Chicago.
A lawyer and Canadian mercantile agent, Wilkins’ principal duty as the queen’s lone delegate here was to coordinate food exports to a homeland fighting the Crimean War. Occasionally, he was called on to perform marriages, register births, locate missing persons, arrange trips for the indigent and deliver mail to British citizens.
The queen took an interest in the American diplomatic outpost. In 1872, she authorized sending thousands of books from London as a donation in the wake of the 1871 Great Fire.
When the books arrived, Chicago used them to establish one of the country’s first free municipal libraries.
“To say that things have changed between then and now is a description that simply does not do the history justice,” said Andrew Seaton, current British consul general to Chicago and a career diplomat with 30 years in foreign officeservice. “Let’s just say things have grown in complexity.”
Today, Seaton oversees a staff of 50 professionals working from a suite taking an entire floor in the Wrigley Building. They cover a 13-state, Midwest region that dwarfs Great Britain both geographically and economically. The consulate promotes trade and investment, arranges cultural and governmental exchanges, handles visas, and, as Darby’s schedule reflects, represents British interests in an assortment of other ways.
The Chicago office is one of seven consulates in the U.S. and, as part of Great Britain’s diplomatic mission to this country, answers to the British Embassy in Washington, D.C. The embassy presents British political policy at the national level.
“We do not operate in a vacuum,” Seaton said. “Responding to needs is an important part of what we do.”
Busy times
Last year, the consulate here processed 18,500 visas, answered 8,200 telephone inquiries from British citizens, handled 1,200 cases requiring assistance and issued 109 emergency passports.
“There are something like 73 foreign consulates in Chicago, and, from my view, the British are at the top of the list both for volume of work and how they do it,” said J.D. Bindenagel, a Chicago Council on Foreign Relations vice president and former U.S. ambassador to Germany. “I’m sure many think this world is nothing but formal balls and cutting ribbons, but I guarantee it’s not.”
The trade team here of 20 is one of the largest for any of the British consul general offices in the U.S.. They work both sides of the street — finding markets here for British concerns and encouraging American companies to locate in the United Kingdom.
“Chicago and the Midwest are seen as very, very fertile ground for us,” said Seaton, who came here in 2003. “A big reason is the great diversity we see here, in industries as well as people. Much of what we do is simple matchmaking.”
The consulate’s district is composed of 13 states: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North and South Dakota, Ohio and Wisconsin.
“I think a lot of their work [in the consulate] goes unnoticed because, quite frankly, the British tend to blend into this country so well,” said Christine Brenkus, executive director of the British-American Chamber of Commerce for the Midwest, a Chicago-based organization independent of the consul general’s office. “People probably would be surprised to know there are 800 British-owned companies in Illinois alone.”
The official relationship between Chicago and Great Britain extends beyond business and visas. British police officials were here recently in one of many exchanges to study our law-enforcement practices. The same initiatives take place in education, where our English as a Second Language programs are of interest.
Chicago has an active Sister City relationship with Birmingham, an industrial city in the west Midlands region of England, which has led to joint projects between the University of Birmingham and Loyola University and the University of Illinois at Chicago.
Among other educational pairings: The University of Chicago and the London School of Economics.
The consul general’s office is frequently called upon to help coordinate VIP visits, such as Prime Minister Tony Blair’s trip in 1999, when he addressed the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations, or even last month’s visit by the English national soccer team for a Soldier Field match.
The royal family causes ripples for the Chicago office, whether it’s talking to callers — both British and American — irate over the latest tabloid report or lining up a golf match for Prince Andrew, which it did several years ago when he was here for a promotion.
This is nothing new: In 1941, then Chicago consul general Lewis Bernays was asked to entertain the Duke and Duchess of Windsor — the duke formerly had been King Edward VIII before abdicating for his American-born duchess, Wallis Simpson — during a three-hour layover here between trains.
The Windsors were headed for a Canadian ski trip and, while the duchess retired to a private room, Bernays and a driver took the duke up and down the lakefront in an enclosed automobile for a tour of the city. Meanwhile, others from the consulate transferred the Windsors’ mountain of luggage, plus three Cairn terriers and six personal aides, to another train station.
Impact of Diana’s death
No one who worked in the Chicago office will ever forget the death of Princess Diana in 1997, when American mourners left more than a ton of flowers in front of the Wrigley Building that were subsequently distributed to hospitals and senior centers.
“Everywhere we went, people would come up to you and say, `You must be so sad,’” recalled Gus Noble, who worked in the consulate then and now is executive director of the Illinois St. Andrew Society, a not-for-profit organization to preserve Scottish heritage. “It wasn’t as if we knew her personally. We became professional mourners that time.”
The feelings haven’t always been so warm about the British. In 1927, former Mayor William “Big Bill” Thompson, running on an “America First” ticket to regain his City Hall office, got the Chicago Public Schools superintendent bumped from his job for being “a stool pigeon of King George” by favoring pro-British books in the classrooms.
At the time, Thompson generated a campaign to capitalize on a wave of anti-British sentiment existing then in the U.S. and rode it into office. A Chicago court eventually overturned the school board’s decision to fire the superintendent, however.
“Over the 150 years, our office has been sort of a litmus test for relations between our countries,” Seaton said, “and, for sure, there have been wrinkles. For the most part, they’ve been very, very positive. I am happy to report that’s the way they are now.”
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Great moments in Chicago-U.K. history
1855: John E. Wilkins, a lawyer and agent for a Quebec mercantile firm, was appointed first consul general in Chicago.
1860: Here’s how the Prince of Wales, later to become King Edward VII, was introduced to the City Hall press corps by Mayor John Wentworth at a Tremont Hotel reception: “Boys, this is the prince. Prince, these are the boys.”
1861: Wilkins opened an office in St. Louis to establish the neutrality of British citizens in that area during the Civil War.
1869: London theatrical producer Lydia Thompson presented her “British Blonde” comedy revue in the Crosby Opera House, a show that introduced burlesque to Chicago with “half-clothed” women, according to outraged Chicago Times publisher Wilbur Storey.
1872: Books from the British, including Queen Victoria, sent after the Great Fire of 1871 prompted Chicago to found its public library, a first for this city and one of the earliest in the U.S. for a major metropolitan area.
1889: Inspired by a visit to London’s Toynbee Hall settlement house the previous year, Jane Addams founded Hull House in Chicago’s West Side slums.
1892: Englishman Samuel Insull arrived in Chicago to establish a utilities empire for Thomas Edison that lasted into the 1920s and included Commonwealth Edison, People’s Gas and the city’s electric-powered transit system.
1901: After going bankrupt building a Chicago elevated transit line, Charles Yerkes went to England and built the first subsurface train line in London that evolved into its current underground train system.
1909: Gordon Selfridge, who started in retailing at Marshall Field’s in Chicago, returned to London to start Selfridge’s, which grew into a world-famous department store chain.
1920: Chicago business leader and Sears Roebuck chairman Julius Rosenwald purchased Encyclopedia Britannica, the legendary, Scottish-born publication, and moved the headquarters from London to Chicago.
1929: Winston Churchill, as ex-chancellor of the Exchequer, spoke to the Commercial Club of Chicago. This was the first of several public appearances Churchill made here.
1946: Mayor Edward Kelly, plus a blue-ribbon committee, was aboard the first post-World War II commercial airline flight to London to meet with United Nations officials about locating their headquarters here. (They were unsuccessful.)
1959: Queen Elizabeth and the Duke of Edinburgh made a 14-hour official stop here aboard the royal yacht Britannia to attend the Chicago International Trade Fair, which commemorated the opening of the St. Lawrence Seaway. They were hosted by Mayor Richard J. Daley and Conrad Hilton in a black-tie ball.
1966: John Lennon of the Beatles apologized in a Chicago news conference for his remark that “the Beatles are more popular than Jesus.” The comment drew worldwide criticism.
1975: Englishman Bill Foulkes, a Manchester United soccer legend, was named coach of the Chicago Sting, the city’s new professional team in the North American Soccer League. Almost a dozen English players signed to play for the team in the first season.
1976: Edward Heath, former British prime minister, guest-conducted the Chicago Symphony Orchestra as part of a benefit concert.
1993: Lord Mayor Paul Tilsley, of Birmingham, England, signed a Sister City agreement with Mayor Richard M. Daley.
1996: A visit to Chicago by Princess Diana drew a whopping 504 requests for press credentials from Chicago and worldwide media outlets.
1999: Prime Minister Tony Blair addressed the Economic Club of Chicago.
– Mike Conklin
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November 22nd, 2005 at 10:48 amIf I was Chaney I would be quite nervous: I am a liability to the “Republican Cause” because I am: A.Stupid,dillusional,and only total morons listen and believe what I say.
November 22nd, 2005 at 3:24 pmB.Cannot(or, don’t want) run for the Prez’ Office after the “DOORJAM IN CHARGE” is gone.
C.Have a weak heart!!!!
So, in ‘08 the criminal legacy of G.H.B. and his son “Boy George” will be over….
HMMMMMM!
Could it be possible to have an “Neo-Con” (which in ‘09
will stand for Neo-CONVICTED)pull the plug to Chaneys’
pace-maker and send the VP to ethernal hell (soon), so
“Baby Doc”Bush will have enough time to name another peace of s… for a VPs’ Office to keep the “LEGACY”
alive….?????? Maybe even Jed Bush?????
HMMMMMM!
Hey Dicky! Stay away from life wires, puddles of water,
stun-guns,etc…..You are no good to nobody—–even the republicans !!! You are more worth dead that alive to them! It might be a cruel observation but, it makes a lot of sence.
I sure wouldn’t want to be you !
BIg Dick is still the man.. He needs either jail time or mental health time.. the man is not right .. he is a war warrior .. even worse than BUsh ( a bad dream and misconception for being a president of any country let alone the U S of A…
November 22nd, 2005 at 5:08 pmWho cares about Osama any more? The administration certainly didn’t for the last 4 years. Let him have Iraq. The US needs its soldiers HERE not there.
November 22nd, 2005 at 6:31 pmBetween 1936, when modern Iraq became a soverign
November 22nd, 2005 at 7:11 pmcountry, and 1979, when Saddam took over, there were
over 50 military coups or attempted coups in Iraq, about one every eight months. If we cut and run in 6 days, 6 months, or 6 years, the result will be the
same, total chaos until another strongman takes over,
who will also be displaced in short order.
‘Curveball’ MAY have just become a problem for Bushco as well…
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1121/dailyUpdate.html
Germany: CIA knew ‘Curveball’ was not trustworthy
German intelligence alleges Bush administration repeatedly ‘exaggerated’ informant’s claims in run-up to war.
By Tom Regan | csmonitor.com
Five top German intelligence officers say that the Bush administration and the CIA repeatedly ignored warnings about the veracity of the information that an Iraqi informant named ‘Curveball’ was giving about Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction. The Los Angeles Times, in a massive report published Sunday, reports that “the Bush administration and the CIA repeatedly exaggerated his claims during the run-up to the war in Iraq.” They also say that ‘Curveball,’ whom the Germans described as “not a psychologically stable guy,” never claimed that he had produced germ weapons, nor had he ever seen anyone do it.
According to the Germans, President Bush mischaracterized Curveball’s information when he warned before the war that Iraq had at least seven mobile factories brewing biological poisons. Then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell also misstated Curveball’s accounts in his prewar presentation to the United Nations on Feb. 5, 2003, the Germans said.
November 22nd, 2005 at 7:45 pmI-RIGHT-I and MIGHTY APHRODITE are KKKers. Check out Post No. 188 here: http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/22/schmidt-marine/
November 22nd, 2005 at 8:55 pmSo Cheney either doesn’t understand the situation or is trying to confuse it. Take your pick.
I pick neither. I think he is psychotic and should be removed from office.
November 23rd, 2005 at 9:55 amWhat a crock of shit! Osama will rule Iraq if we pull out. Cheney should love that. It would give them all the more reason to start bombing Iraq again! More money for Halliburton, Bechtel, Carlyle, Lockheed Martin, etc. Old Dick’s ticker must be starting to give out because he is definitely not getting enough oxygen to what’s left of his brain. He is betting that about 290 million people in this country are more stupid than he is. I don’t even think Osama bin Laden is as stupid as Dick Cheney.
November 23rd, 2005 at 10:00 pmJust letting you know of a good article. Short and to the point on how to get out of Iraq. http://observer.com/politics_joeconason.asp
November 24th, 2005 at 1:28 amA Phone Call To The Federal Reserve Bank in San Francisco
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The following is a conversation with Mr. Ron Supinski of the Public Information Department of the San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank. This is an account of that conversation.
CALLER – Mr. Supinski, does my country own the Federal Reserve System?
MR. SUPINSKI – We are an agency of the government.
CALLER – That’s not my question. Is it owned by my country?
MR. SUPINSKI – It is an agency of the government created by congress.
CALLER – Is the Federal Reserve a Corporation?
MR. SUPINSKI – Yes
CALLER – Does my government own any of the stock in the Federal Reserve?
MR. SUPINSKI – No, it is owned by the member banks.
CALLER – Are the member banks private corporations?
MR. SUPINSKI – Yes
CALLER – Are Federal Reserve Notes backed by anything?
MR. SUPINSKI-Yes, by the assets of the Federal Reserve but, primarily by the power of congress to lay tax on the people.
CALLER – Did you say, by the power to collect taxes is what backs Federal Reserve Notes?
MR. SUPINSKI – Yes
CALLER – What are the total assets of the Federal Reserve?
MR. SUPINSKI – The San Francisco Bank has $36 Billion in assets.
CALLER – What are these assets composed of?
MR. SUPINSKI – Gold, the Federal Reserve Bank itself and government securities.
CALLER – What value does the Federal Reserve Bank carry gold per oz. on their books?
MR. SUPINSKI – I don’t have that information but the San Francisco Bank has $1.6 billion in gold.
CALLER – Are you saying the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco has $1.6 billion in gold, the bank itself and the balance of the assets is government securities?
MR. SUPINSKI – Yes.
CALLER – Where does the Federal Reserve get Federal Reserve Notes from?
MR. SUPINSKI – They are authorized by the Treasury.
CALLER – How much does the Federal Reserve pay for a $10 Federal Reserve Note?
MR. SUPINSKI – Fifty to seventy cents.
CALLER – How much do they pay for a $100.00 Federal Reserve Note?
MR. SUPINSKI – The same fifty to seventy cents.
CALLER – To pay only fifty cents for a $100.00 is a tremendous gain, isn’t it?
MR. SUPINSKI – Yes
CALLER – According to the US Treasury, the Federal Reserve pays $20.60 per 1,000 denomination or a little over two cents for a $100.00 bill, is that correct?
MR. SUPINSKI – That is probably close.
CALLER – Doesn’t the Federal Reserve use the Federal Reserve Notes that cost about two cents each to purchase US Bonds from the government?
MR. SUPINSKI – Yes, but there is more to it than that.
CALLER – Basically, that is what happens?
MR. SUPINSKI – Yes, basically you are correct.
CALLER – How many Federal Reserve Notes are in circulation?
MR. SUPINSKI – $263 billion and we can only account for a small percentage.
CALLER – Where did they go?
MR. SUPINSKI – Peoples mattress, buried in their back yards and illegal drug money.
CALLER – Since the debt is payable in Federal Reserve Notes, how can the $4 trillion national debt be paid-off with the total Federal Reserve Notes in circulation?
MR. SUPINSKI – I don’t know.
CALLER – If the Federal Government would collect every Federal Reserve Note in circulation would it be mathematically possible to pay the $4 trillion national debt?
MR. SUPINSKI – No
CALLER – Am I correct when I say, $1 deposited in a member bank $8 can be lent out through Fractional Reserve Policy?
MR. SUPINSKI – About $7.
CALLER – Correct me if I am wrong but, $7 of additional Federal Reserve Notes were never put in circulation. But, for lack of better words were “created out of thin air ” in the form of credits and the two cents per denomination were not paid either. In other words, the Federal Reserve Notes were not physically printed but, in reality were created by a journal entry and lent at interest. Is that correct?
MR. SUPINSKI – Yes
CALLER – Is that the reason there are only $263 billion Federal Reserve Notes in circulation?
MR. SUPINSKI – That is part of the reason.
CALLER – Am I mistaking that when the Federal Reserve Act was passed (on Christmas Eve) in 1913, it transferred the power to coin and issue our nation’s money and to regulate the value thereof from Congress to a Private corporation. And my country now borrows what should be our own money from the Federal Reserve (a private corporation) plus interest. Is that correct and the debt can never be paid off under the current money system of country?
MR. SUPINSKI – Basically, yes.
CALLER – I smell a rat, do you?
MR. SUPINSKI – I am sorry, I can’t answer that, I work here.
CALLER – Has the Federal Reserve ever been independently audited?
MR. SUPINSKI – We are audited.
CALLER – Why is there a current House Resolution 1486 calling for a complete audit of the Federal Reserve by the GAO and why is the Federal Reserve resisting?
MR. SUPINSKI – I don’t know.
CALLER – Does the Federal Reserve regulate the value of Federal Reserve Notes and interest rates?
MR. SUPINSKI – Yes
CALLER – Explain how the Federal Reserve System can be Constitutional if, only the Congress of the US, which comprises of the Senate and the House of representatives has the power to coin and issue our money supply and regulate the value thereof? [Article 1 Section 1 and Section 8] Nowhere, in the Constitution does it give Congress the power or authority to transfer any powers granted under the Constitution to a private corporation or, does it?
MR. SUPINSKI – I am not an expert on constitutional law. I can refer you to our legal department.
CALLER – I can tell you I have read the Constitution. It does NOT provide that any power granted can be transferred to a private corporation. Doesn’t it specifically state, all other powers not granted are reserved to the States and to the citizens? Does that mean to a private corporation?
MR. SUPINSKI – I don’t think so, but we were created by Congress.
CALLER – Would you agree it is our country and it should be our money as provided by our Constitution?
MR. SUPINSKI – I understand what you are saying.
CALLER – Why should we borrow our own money from a private consortium of bankers? Isn’t this why we had a revolution, created a separate sovereign nation and a Bill of Rights?
MR. SUPINSKI – (Declined to answer).
CALLER – Has the Federal Reserve ever been declared constitutional by the Supreme Court?
MR. SUPINSKI – I believe there has been court cases on the matter.
/www.freedomfinancialconsultants.com/declaration.htm
CALLER – Have there been Supreme Court Cases?
MR. SUPINSKI – I think so, but I am not sure.
CALLER – Didn’t the Supreme Court declare unanimously in A.L.A. Schechter Poultry Corp. vs. US and Carter vs. Carter Coal Co. the corporative-state arrangement an unconstitutional delegation of legislative power? ["The power conferred is the power to regulate. This is legislative delegation in its most obnoxious form; for it is not even delegation to an official or an official body, presumptively disinterested, but to private persons." Carter vs. Carter Coal Co...]
MR. SUPINSKI – I don’t know, I can refer you to our legal department.
CALLER – Isn’t the current money system a house of cards that must fall because, the debt can mathematically never be paid-off?
MR. SUPINSKI – It appears that way. I can tell you have been looking into this matter and are very knowledgeable. However, we do have a solution.
CALLER – What is the solution?
MR. SUPINSKI – The Debit Card.
CALLER – Do you mean under the EFT Act (Electronic Funds Transfer)? Isn’t that very frightening, when one considers the capabilities of computers? It would provide the government and all it’s agencies, including the Federal Reserve such information as: You went to the gas station @ 2:30 and bought $20.00 of unleaded gas @ $3.41 per gallon and then you went to the grocery store @ 2:58 and bought bread, lunch meat and milk for $12.32 and then went to the drug store @ 3:30 and bought cold medicine for $5.62. In other words, they would know where we go, when we went, how much we paid, how much the merchant paid and how much profit he made. Under the EFT they will literally know everything about us. Isn’t that kind of scary?
MR. SUPINSKI – Yes, it makes you wonder.
CALLER – I smell a GIANT RAT that has overthrown my constitution. Aren’t we paying tribute in the form of income taxes to a consortium of private bankers?
MR. SUPINSKI – I can’t call it tribute, it is interest.
CALLER – Haven’t all elected officials taken an oath of office to preserve and defend the Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic? Isn’t the Federal Reserve a domestic enemy?
MR. SUPINSKI – I can’t say that.
CALLER – Our elected officials and members of the Federal Reserve are guilty of aiding and abetting the overthrowing of my Constitution and that is treason. Isn’t the punishment of treason death?
MR. SUPINSKI – I believe so.
CALLER – Thank you for your time and information and if I may say so, I think you should take the necessary steps to protect you and your family and withdraw your money from the banks before the collapse, I am.
MR. SUPINSKI – It doesn’t look good.
CALLER – May God have mercy on the souls who are behind this unconstitutional and criminal act called the Federal Reserve. When the ALMIGHTY MASS awakens to this giant hoax, they will not take it with a grain of salt. It has been a pleasure talking to you and I thank you for your time. I hope you will take my advice before it does collapse.
MR. SUPINSKI – Unfortunately, it does not look good.
CALLER – Have a good day and thanks for your time.
MR. SUPINSKI – Thanks for calling.
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December 23rd, 2005 at 2:51 pmYou people are all stupid and need to shut up! The government is just doing what needs to be done. You should be thankful that you get to wake up every morning in your nice comfortable home, and have the freedom to do and say whatever you want. You need to show a little respect for our government and our military and keep your mouths shut!
March 17th, 2006 at 2:44 pm“Annonymous”, (by the way, it’s actually spelt “anonymous”, stupid)
May 17th, 2006 at 4:35 pmIt is you who is stupid. Cheney, Bush, and Rumsfeld lied to us. The government did not do “what needs to be done” in Iraq. Bush attacked because he wanted to avenge his father’s defeat and get the oil. If we hadn’t, we would have nailed Osama. So shut up! We don’t disrespect the government or the military. We disrespect Bush.
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