White House Flip-Flops on Murtha
White House Flip-Flops on Murtha
First, Murtha was taking a “baffling” position only accepted by “the extreme liberal wing.” White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 11/18/05:
[I]t is baffling that he is endorsing the policy positions of Michael Moore and the extreme liberal wing of the Democratic party. The eve of an historic democratic election in Iraq is not the time to surrender to the terrorists. After seeing his statement, we remain baffled — nowhere does he explain how retreating from Iraq makes America safer.
Now, he’s taking a “clear stand” in a “legitimate discussion.” Vice President Cheney, 11/21/05:
Recently my friend Jack Murtha called for a complete withdraw of our troops in Iraq. I disagree with Jack and believe his proposal would not serve the best interest of this nation. He’s a good man, a marine, a patriot and he’s taking a clear stand in an entirely legitimate discussion.
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Nope. These guys are always consistent. I know it. Don’t bother me with “evidence” or “argument.”
November 21st, 2005 at 11:46 am“Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 11/18/05:
[I]t is baffling that he is endorsing the policy positions of Michael Moore and the extreme liberal wing”
That’s all he’s got?
November 21st, 2005 at 11:47 amThe Republican are flip floppers.
November 21st, 2005 at 11:53 amIs there a source for this statement by Cheney?
November 21st, 2005 at 11:54 amShush, there is to be no questioning of the omniscience or omnipotence of our policy in Iraq; ignore the man behind the podium, I am the great and powerful Cheney.
November 21st, 2005 at 11:55 am2/1 says Scottie’s baffled again today.
November 21st, 2005 at 11:57 amNo public transcript available yet. Got it off Tivo.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:01 pmThis does make sense to me, though.
The White House is just adding to what they said before.
In all, they are saying that Murtha is taking a clear position on the war, a position which is shared by the extreme liberal wing, and a position which baffles the White House. But the discussion on which Murtha is taking the clear position on, is entirely legitimate.
What should be noted, is that while a lot of the extreme liberal wing DOES share that position, so do a lot of moderate Democrats, as well as some moderate Republican, and even some extreme right-wing Republicans!
Make no mistake.. this is not a view ONLY shared by Liberals, but shared by many people across the political spectrum. Those who are against the war outnumber those for the war. This is the case nationwide, as well as world wide.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:02 pmMore duplicity. Ho hum.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:06 pmThey fell into the language used by bloggers. “He’s like Michael Moore”, “How does pulling out make us safer?”, etc. Then the witch lady screwed up and they had to distance from her. I’ll bet she’s had an earful from the koolaid mixers.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:09 pmI get it now–this whole mess is Michael Moore’s fault. The US starts a war, lies about the reason for starting it at the same time makes the situation in the Middle East less stable; in the end we get no oil, no democracy, no stability, no hope for a peaceful resolution and all Scott McClellan has in response is a jab at Michael Moore? We are in deeper weeds than I thought.
When will a reporter get the guts to ask McClellan how Bush is doing with his desire to have his people fully cooperate with the leak investigation? (Which seems to be restarting itself) Isn’t Libby under indictment because of his lies and lack of cooperation?
November 21st, 2005 at 12:19 pmWhat will they do now that their rabid attack dog strategy is inoperable?
Ummm… yeah, they want an open and honest debate. That’s why they question the patriotism of anyone who disagrees — until what goes around comes around.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:19 pmBut Cheney is still lying.
It’s not a “complete withdrawal” - it’s a redeployment.
Mr. Five-deferrals may not know what deployment means because it is a military related term.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:29 pmSeems the the Greedy ‘Ol Parasite’s talking points are scrambled. Either that, or oxygen isn’t getting to some of their brains.
This is the wackiest Administration since Ronald Raygun lost his mind and no one seemed to notice.
November 21st, 2005 at 12:43 pmThe Bushco rational is that despite having dropped Billions into the “Terror war” slot machine, we have to keep playing because someday it will / might / hopefully / better pay off. They will never admit to having gambled with American lives and dollars and lost. Hence, the need to attack anyone who promotes stopping play and admitting failure of their plan.
November 21st, 2005 at 1:00 pmI have re-named “Thank Progress” - from now on I shall refer to you in the truest description to date, “Think Pessimism”. Leftist whiners shed crocodile tears for dead and wounded soldiers - and publicly gloat “that this war is unwinnable”. Cheney is absolutely correct that our raucous brand of Democracy gives us the right to openly disagree with one another. But to “cut and run” which is advocated by the “losing left” is not the solution. How many of you would be happy having those nuts dictate the terms of our foriegn policy? He is also correct when he says that the wide-ranging brand of radical Islam envisioned by Islamic extremists is a goal they seek. The negativity of this site would not be assuaged even if GWB and Cheney managed to off themselves. You’d want public re-runs for fund raising purposes.
November 21st, 2005 at 1:41 pmThere’s no contradiction.
“The policy positions of Michael Moore and the extreme liberal wing of the Democratic party” have always been “a clear stand and an entirely legitimate discussion”.
It’s the policy positions of Rush Limbaugh and the extreme conservative wing of the Republican party that have been based on fantasy and lies.
I think even the Republicans are beginning to acknowledge that.
November 21st, 2005 at 1:43 pm#17 - BULL SHIT. The left has re-written history and they can’t even do that right. Talk to me when you get trounced at the polls again - LIAR.
November 21st, 2005 at 1:45 pmCheney et al know that a majority of the populace think the war in Iraq is a mistake. That’s why Dick’s been out speaking lately, and why they pay more lip service to the opposition.
November 21st, 2005 at 1:45 pm@17 German people said, wir haben es nicht gewuebt
Whe didn’t know, well you do and still you’re fighting, you can’t win a lie! Accept that, Bush will be impeached soon together with Cheney and the whole corrupt bunch. America will be free again after that and will work for a better future for all Americans and the rest of the World. In GOD WHE TRUST not in Bush!
November 21st, 2005 at 1:52 pm#16
I have re-named “Thank Progressâ€
Yes, thank God for “Think Progress” and thinking progressives.
Leftist whiners shed crocodile tears for dead and wounded soldiers
Whereas you don’t give a flying f*ck about dead and wounded soldiers, I presume.
But to “cut and run†which is advocated by the “losing left†is not the solution.
Nobody is saying “cut and run”. This war should never have been waged in the first place. The troops ought to have been deployed to attack al Qaeda, not invade a country that had no Muslim fundamentalist terrorists and turn it into a terrorist training ground.
How many of you would be happy having those nuts dictate the terms of our foriegn (sic) policy?
Last I checked, the nuts do dictate the terms of our foreign policy.
He is also correct when he says that the wide-ranging brand of radical Islam envisioned by Islamic extremists is a goal they seek.
Bush helped the Islamic extremists by his invasion of Iraq.
The negativity of this site would not be assuaged even if GWB and Cheney managed to off themselves. You’d want public re-runs for fund raising purposes.
I wouldn’t want to see them take the easy way out. I’d like them to be tried as war criminals.
November 21st, 2005 at 1:56 pmAMEN!!!!!
November 21st, 2005 at 2:04 pm“Nobody is saying “cut and run .” - Lt. BH
November 21st, 2005 at 2:26 pm****except the radical left
“Last I checked, the nuts do dictate the terms of our foreign policy.” - Lt. BH
****I don’t think Presixdent Clinton allowed allowed Islamofascists to dictate US foriegn policy - his lacking resulted in bomb lobbing - rather than an all out offense - I remember him saying “Gotta keep those pigeons…I mean doves, fat and happy.
Mighty, it’s time for your med’s Dear.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:42 pmThanks, Sharon - I run instead of medicate - Blessings!
November 21st, 2005 at 2:44 pm#27 - Must be running all the damn time.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:48 pm#27 - That’s gotta be one of the top-5 things Limbaugh will never say.
November 21st, 2005 at 2:55 pmMighty, do be careful of all the poor and working class driving their old wrecks on their way back from wal mart and to the food bank’s. Their lack of a good diet has impaired many and you could be a moving target. Are you running for or against an office opointment.? Just asking. Since I am a pasafist I would hate for anything to happen to you……Blessings
November 21st, 2005 at 2:57 pmThanks - for your concern, Sharon. I’m usually out the door by 5:30 am - most of the working poor aren’t up yet. But for the industrious ones who are - never fear - I can leap a careening wreck in a single bound! Blessings…..
November 21st, 2005 at 3:12 pmboth the Pentagon’s plans for Iraq, as well as as the REPUBLICAN written resolution call for faster withdrawl from Iraq than Murtha’s plan!!!
November 21st, 2005 at 3:12 pmCan’t someone take a clear stand that is baffling?
It is baffling to me the stand that Jack Murtha is taking.
Can’t see the flip-flop…
November 21st, 2005 at 3:42 pmMightyHermaphrodite,
Bahaha, your pessimism, lunacy and hate are really hilarious! Hell Hounds often have the ability to leap large distances, they also eat human flesh - something you clearly relish…
Every military action Clinton did was attacked by the current crop of ChickenHawks. He invaded Kosovo, and you whackos questioned him. When he was more reserved and only attacked Taliban strongholds with cruise missiles and you attacked him for doing that much. You schizophrenic retarded republicans were responsible for creating AlQueda, you are in a poor position for lecturing the ‘rise of islamofascism’, considering it’s a DIRECT CONSEQUENCE of your inept foreign policies!
You guys are such whining little self indulgent retards, no wonder you screw up everything you touch!
As for getting out of the house a 5:30, is that what time your shift at the brothel ends? It explains a lot about you.
November 21st, 2005 at 3:58 pmQuote: “My friend, Jack Murtha.”
Please. Stop. You are going to make me cry.
November 21st, 2005 at 4:08 pmMurtha stung Cheney pretty baddly with the 5 deferments statement. I don’t think old Dick has a spin or come back for that one, so now its a legitamate debate.
November 21st, 2005 at 4:35 pm#34 - “….you are in a poor position for lecturing the ‘rise of islamofascism’, considering it’s a DIRECT CONSEQUENCE of your inept foreign policies!..” - RyANNe
November 21st, 2005 at 4:54 pm****Which policies would those be, RyANNe?? Specifics please.
“As for getting out of the house a 5:30, is that what time your shift at the brothel ends? It explains a lot about you.” RyANNe’s humourous attempt to be “cute”
November 21st, 2005 at 5:31 pm****”You guys” (fellow progs) “are such whining little self indulgent retards, no wonder you screw up everything you touch!”- RyANNe’s advice to “fellow travellers”
MightyHermaphrodite,
I’ve repeatedly posted them you retard CowWhore. The list is a mile long, but I’ll start with 1 simple ones.
How about the Republican act of Creating, Funding, Equiping and Training AlQueda to fight the dirty war for us in Afghanistan.
They’re your bastard children (clearly a topic you’re probably an expert in).
November 21st, 2005 at 6:05 pm““As for getting out of the house a 5:30, is that what time your shift at the brothel ends? It explains a lot about you.†RyANNe’s humourous attempt to be “cute—
I don’t need to ‘attempt’ to be cute, I am by nature :)
You however I bet have sent some underpaid and overworked plastic surgeon’s kids to an ivy league school!
November 21st, 2005 at 6:06 pmFYI MightyHermaphrodite,
I have no problem with you identifying me in a ‘feminine’ tone. See, unlike you, I don’t question my maleness or masculinity. You clearly have ’sexual identity’ issues however - that go well beyond the abilities of current science and psychiatry to address.
Call me what you will, believe what you must, it’s all a delusion you know ;)
November 21st, 2005 at 6:07 pm“â€You guys†(fellow progs) “are such whining little self indulgent retards, no wonder you screw up everything you touch!â€- RyANNe’s advice to “fellow travellersâ€
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
You’re right, republican morons like you ARE my fellow travelers. This is something I realize, but you clearly are too stupid and unconscious of the world to realize. See, you whack at the ACLU, and me, but ironically we do more to preserve the rights and liberties of unworthy rats like you than you’ll ever deserve. And it’s because we know you’re still citizens of the world, despite your retarded and limited ability to see that fact.
While you might not ‘deserve’ what those who protect your liberties do for you, it is your ‘right’ to receive it. It’s what america is about. As a recent immigrant family, you clearly haven’t learned this lesson yet. There’s always hope for your children, as long as we keep the whackos like you out of power :()
November 21st, 2005 at 6:10 pmRYANNe - stop telling me how masculine you are - I think you’re projecting and frankly, I don’t care. Your sexual confusion is telling, though, when you address me as Hermaphrodite - poor things(!) Bless your heart.
November 21st, 2005 at 6:23 pm“How about the Republican act of Creating, Funding, Equiping and Training AlQueda to fight the dirty war for us in Afghanistan.” Thanks for clearing up your “position” (HA!) - you spew on every thread who has time to read your “self-important” volumes. The Ayatollah’s appreciate your support. Burka, anyone? On a serious note, your pitiful attempt to condemn the opposition of our most hated enemy at the time is conveniently time warped - as if learned at college, instead of lived through. You need some new material, kid.
November 21st, 2005 at 6:30 pmRyANNe - You’ve gotta love Professor John Daly from Warren County Community College. (Please progs - KEEP RANTING!!! We appreciate it !!!!!!)
“I am asking my students to boycott your event. I am also going to ask others to boycott it. Your literature and signs in the entrance lobby look like fascist propaganda and is [sic] extremely offensive. Your main poster “Communism killed 100,000,000″ is not only untrue, but ignores the fact that CAPITALISM has killed many more and the evidence for that can be seen in the daily news papers. The U.S. government can fly to dominate the people of Iraq in 12 hours, yet it took them five days to assist the people devastated by huricane [sic] Katrina. Racism and profits were key to their priorities. Exxon, by the way, made $9 Billion in profits this last quarter–their highest proft [sic] margin ever. Thanks to the students of WCCC and other poor and working class people who are recruited to fight and die for EXXON and other corporations who [sic] earning megaprofits from their imperialist plunders. If you want to count the number of deaths based on political systems, you can begin with the more than a million children who have died in Iraq from U.S.-imposed sanctions and war. Or the million African American people who died from lack of access to healthcare in the US over the last 10 years.
I will continue to expose your right-wing, anti-people politics until groups like your [sic] won’t dare show their face [sic] on a college campus. Real freedom will come when soldiers in Iraq turn their guns on their superiors and fight for just causes and for people’s needs–such freedom fighters can be counted throughout American history and they certainly will be counted again.
Prof. John Daly”
November 21st, 2005 at 6:44 pm*thanks to your friends at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus
First Up To Bat for a Monday Evening
Trips around the blog world, with much attention to politics. All from The WB42 5:30 Report.
November 21st, 2005 at 8:54 pm#30 Sharon, MA is trying to explain to you that she is a perfect person, early to bed, early to rise, perfectly fit, perfectly correct in thought and deed, perfect in health, wealth and wisdom. People like you and me and the rest of us should be grateful that MA even deems to be among us here. This must be her community service as she slums with the working class.
November 21st, 2005 at 9:12 pmWe all knew people like that when we were in high school didn’t we? They peaked early, and when they realized that they had decades to live after high school, they simply bullied their way through life, in a futile attempt to recapture the time when they were seventeen.
It was kind of you to remind her that overworked, underpaid folks, driving their old cars, might be a little bleary-eyed and mistakenly run her down. I hope she appreciates your thoughtfulness.
Thank’s for your support Marie, I know what side Mighty claims to be on. Every one here know’s what side I’m on. For my country and all the people, was just messing with her in a nice way. I never wish bad for any one, even this miserable administration. But it sure would be nice if all the bad guy’s and girls were in jail for their crimes..Bush and Co. would be a good start….Blessings
November 21st, 2005 at 9:37 pm#45 MA- I love posts of lefties talking lefty! It’s the perfect comedy of revelation and clarity.
November 22nd, 2005 at 12:23 am#47 Marie- High School is over, just let it go….we know you should’ve been president of the AV club but don’t worry….you’ll be fine….
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:05 amThe Overthrow Of The
American Republic, Part 76
London Bombings - To Save Bush/Blair/Queen?
by Sherman H. Skolnick
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We might get some early insight into the violence in London by considering some timeline items.
As of July, 2005, the Chicago Special Federal Prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, reportedly had witnesses who already testified before the Special Federal Grand Jury in the outing of a deep cover CIA operative, Valerie Plame, wife of former U.S. Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson 4th, who had publicly criticized George W. Bush for using false data as to Saddam supposedly using uranium, yellow cake it is called, from Niger.
Two or more grand jury witnesses ostensibly testified that George W. Bush himself was aware that Bush White House chief honcho, Karl Rove, was reportedly going to leak data as to Valerie Plame, as a reprisal against her husband for publicly panning Bush.
The federal grand jury already had subpoenas reportedly served and/or testimony received, from and/or about Jeff Gannon, male prostitute that visited some 200 times, on one-day passes, at Bush’s White House apartment, according to U.S. Secret Service records. Those documents, however, do not reflect whether Gannon departed the White House after one day each trip made.
Some witnesses assert that Gannon received the data as to Valerie Plame directly from George W. Bush himself and that reputed journalist Gannon ostensibly conveyed it to
Time Magazine reporter Mathew Cooper, who agrees to now testify after being threatened with contempt of court, and convey the same reportedly to New York Times reporter Judith Miller now jailed for refusing to testify before the Special Federal Grand Jury.
[As to Jeff Gannon, visiti our archives at rense.com as to our series as to Bush and the male prostitute, “The Gannon Cannon”.
Fitzgerald also subpoenaed the records of transmissions from Air Force One, Bush’s airplane. Unless the subpoena is disobeyed, the resultant items might seem to support other testimony that George W. Bush himself is subject to prosecution for a Federal Criminal Offense in blowing the “cover” of Valerie Plame.
A note about espionage protocol. Covert espionage operatives are usually informed ahead of time of an upcoming violent event, such as a high-level bombing or political assassination, by a strange item in the mass media. A few examples.
Just prior to the public execution of President John F. Kennedy while traveling in an open car, Time Magazine ran a ghastly drawing on its cover showing JFK looking like a dead man, a ghost, sitting in his rocking chair because of his long ailing back.
Similarly, Time Magazine, just prior to the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy, ran a cover story depicting Bobby as a foolish child in a polka dot baby’s outfit.
The day before the attempted assassination of newly inauguated President Ronald Reagan, in 1981, was a boxed in item in many mass media newspapers. It stated that just released data shows that a member of British royalty, a prominent militaristic Tory, secretly traveled across the U.S. in 1968, to elicit American elite aid to overthrow the British Labour Government in London.
Covert intelligence dirty tricksters are trained to watch for these tip-offs of upcoming bloodshed events.
So it should come as no surprise that on July 4, 2005, the Queen’s news trumpet, the Chicago Tribune, published a possible upcoming mass murder tip-off, of the then upcoming London bombings of July 7, 2005. (According to ownership disclosures required by postal regulations, each newspaper must publish once a year, often way back behind the grocery page, details of the news outlets ownership. The top British royals are major owners of Tribune Company, parent firm of a presslord empire that includes the Chicago Tribune. This media empire gets their pulp and other newsprint from Canadian Jesuit facilities, by way of a perpetual contract originally signed by the King of England in the 19th Century.)
The lengthy Chicago Tribune story was headlined “The queen’s eyes in Chicago” July 4, 2005. (We shall attempt to attach herewith a copy.) Notice this item referring to a date 1901:
“1901. After going bankrupt building a Chicago elevated transit line, Charles Yerkes WENT TO ENGLAND AND BUILT THE FIRST SUBSURFACE TRANSIT LINE IN LONDON THAT EVOLVED INTO THE CURRENT UNDERGROUND TRAIN SYSTEM.” (Emphasis added.)
To farflung covert dirty tricksters was this the tip-off of upcoming events required by espionage procedures? Advance warning of the London bombings?
Prior to September11, 2001, namely on Saturday, August 18, 2001, the New York Times published a strange story about mysterious squatters secretly living on the 91st floor of one of the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center. Following 9-11, neither the New York Times nor any other media outlet mentioned this strange prior story. We later attached an actual copy from the New York Times archives to one of our stories in this series, Overthrow of the American Republic.
Notice what was pending at the time public attention was diverted by the London bombings including of their very deep in the ground subway:
(1) An unofficial , that is Ad Hoc Committe of the U.S. House of Representatives was quietly considering Resolutions of Impeachment against the occupant and resident of the White House, George W. Bush. Includrd were charges of treason for starting a war without vote of Congress. and on knowingly false and fraudulent data. Including the Bush White House being blackmailed out of U.S. Military secrets by his homosexual activities reportedly with Jeff Gannon and also the once longtime Mayor of Knoxville, Tennessee, Victor Ashe, who left his Knoxville post and was by Bush shipped out of the U.S. to be the Ambassador to Poland, and thus unavailable for questioning by Congressmen. This part of the homosexual media and poilitical underground has been used by the Red Chinese Secret Police to blackmail U.S. weapons secrets out of the Bush White House. [Visit “Overthrow”, part 24 http://www.skolnicksreport.com ]
The Ad Hoc Impeachment Resoloution Committee is apparently bi-partisan composed of 40 Democrats and 30 Republicans.
Israeli Intelligence, The Mossad, apparently told the London police authorities in advance of the London bombings what might happen. Because a great number of London security police were in Scotland to protect Bush and Blair at G-8 Super Bankers Conference, only a skeleton police force was available in London. So The Mossad warning was not considered. To clean up possible mention of the bombings being a high-level inside job of a portion of the Anglo-American Aristocracy to protect Bush/Bair/Queen, the London authorities reversed the apparent actual facts and said that the London police informed The Mossad ahead of time.
The Impeachment of Bush Resolutions were reportedly set to be revealed on July 11, 2005.
(2.) Other accusations were quietly pending against Queen of England stooge and scapegoat Tony Blair at the time of the London bombings.
(3.) Some of our websites from as far back as 2000, have posted the document showing that the Bushies have a joint account with Queen Elizabeth 2nd amounting to One Hundred Billion Dollars, in the Queen’s private bank, Coutts Bank London, as shown, arranged by the secret code of Alan Greenspan, head of the Federal Reserve. Daddy Bush was a private business partner with Saddam Hussein and shared many billions of dollars shaken down from the weak Persian Gulf oil-soaked sheikdoms. [Visit http://www.skolnicksreport.com item “The Secrets of Timothy McVeigh”.]
Saddam retains (whether actually in U.S. custody or a double in custody or Saddam kept in some foreign embassy); a large financial interest in the Bushie-Queen joint account.
According to the December 19, 2001 issue of London Financial Times, the Queen ordered the head of her private bank to become a part of the Bushie worldwide enterprise, Carlyle Group.
Shortly after the 9-11 high-level inside job, knocking down the Twin Towers with internal explosives, we posted a story that Israeli intelligence, The Mossad, wanted to inform the Bush White House and the Bush Justice Department of the upcoming violence in Lower Manhattan. Upon being rebuffed, the Israelis used the French CIA to so inform Bush and his Justice Department which likewise refused to consider the prior warning.
Stories published in Europe and mostly censored by the U.S. monopoly press, detailed how the Spanish Secret Political Police apparently orchestrated the March, 2005, bombings of trains in Madrid that killed hundreds. Spain’s spy agency sought to blame it on Basque and other extremists. Actually it was done on behalf of the re-emerging crowned heads of Europe, once called the Hapsburgs, including Spain King Juan Carlos.
The Spanish King, late in 2004, met with Bush at Bush’s ranch along with Vicente Fox, President of Mexico. Bush secretly agreed to surrender to Mexico’s sovereignty parts of southern California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. Such a secret arrangement is not only violative of the U.S. Constitution but reverses centures of worldwide history. Hoping to survive, a nation’s leader does not seek to give away territory taken over from a previous war. The parts of U.S. states were won by the U.S. as a result of the U.S.-Mexico War of 1849. George W. Bush commits treason to reverse the same.
Some in the United Kingdom are trying to start a groundswell, that Moslems resident in England, be rounded up and thrown out of the country at once. This apparently a result of local media starting a vicious blame campaign without considering the London bombings being a high-level dirty bloody trick of a portion of the Anglo-American Aristocracy.
(4.) As an indication of a high-level plot, not involving Moslems except possibly as patsies and dupes, the United Kingdom authorities, about a hour before the London bombings, cut off most if not all cell phone traffic. Also arbitrarily cut-off was a great deal of U.K. out-going internet traffic. As part of the BIG LIE, are the U.K. authorities, whitewashing Bush/Blair?Queen, going to deny this as well?
QUESTIONS:
Can George W. Bush, quilty of treason and other offenses against the American people and the U.S. Constitution, be as a practical matter, subject to Impeachment in the midst of the London bombings furor?
Will the commonfolk in England be understanding of possible expected details of a high-level inside job, orchestrated by the Secret Political Police for and on behalf of the British Monarchy?
Can the U.S. and the U.K. avoid martial law hysteria whipped up by the Aristocracy to cancel the U.S. Constitution and the unwritten British “Constitution”?
Do you have any ideas to aid and assist independent bloggers, condemned by the Establishment as being merely “Junkyard Dogs”, for fighting off the BIG LIE as to the true nature of the London bombings?
Is the only remedy now to consider the possibility of chopping off the heads of the Anglo-American Aristocracy for these brazen, barbaric crimes done to consolidate their power?
(We shall attempt to attach July 4, 2005 story of Chicago Tribune.)
Lots more coming. Stay tuned.
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The queen’s eyes in Chicago
British Consulate celebrates 150 years here.
`Let’s just say things have grown in complexity.’
By Mike Conklin
Tribune staff reporter
July 4, 2005
Americans are celebrating Independence Day, but the British Consulate in Chicago also has something special to toast. This is the 150th year for the diplomatic mission here, and two days in 2005 in the life of Deputy Consul Jonathan Darby show just how far its reach has extended in that time.
On the first day, Darby was in Liberal, Kan., in the far southwest corner of the state, to hobnob with Gov. Kathleen Sebelius and other VIPs. Darby was Britain’s official representative to the community’s Pancake Day, an annual festival it celebrates jointly with Olney, England, about 45 miles outside of London.
Twenty-four hours later, Darby was in a penitentiary in the southeast corner of Nebraska, listening to complaints from a British subject serving a life sentence. Monitoring Brits in Midwestern U.S. prisons is also part of the Chicago consulate’s responsibilities.
Pancakes in Kansas? Prisoners in Nebraska? Those certainly weren’t part of the job description in 1855, when Queen Victoria appointed John E. Wilkins to represent the mighty British empire in the new, promising hub on the U.S. frontier known as Chicago.
A lawyer and Canadian mercantile agent, Wilkins’ principal duty as the queen’s lone delegate here was to coordinate food exports to a homeland fighting the Crimean War. Occasionally, he was called on to perform marriages, register births, locate missing persons, arrange trips for the indigent and deliver mail to British citizens.
The queen took an interest in the American diplomatic outpost. In 1872, she authorized sending thousands of books from London as a donation in the wake of the 1871 Great Fire.
When the books arrived, Chicago used them to establish one of the country’s first free municipal libraries.
“To say that things have changed between then and now is a description that simply does not do the history justice,” said Andrew Seaton, current British consul general to Chicago and a career diplomat with 30 years in foreign officeservice. “Let’s just say things have grown in complexity.”
Today, Seaton oversees a staff of 50 professionals working from a suite taking an entire floor in the Wrigley Building. They cover a 13-state, Midwest region that dwarfs Great Britain both geographically and economically. The consulate promotes trade and investment, arranges cultural and governmental exchanges, handles visas, and, as Darby’s schedule reflects, represents British interests in an assortment of other ways.
The Chicago office is one of seven consulates in the U.S. and, as part of Great Britain’s diplomatic mission to this country, answers to the British Embassy in Washington, D.C. The embassy presents British political policy at the national level.
“We do not operate in a vacuum,” Seaton said. “Responding to needs is an important part of what we do.”
Busy times
Last year, the consulate here processed 18,500 visas, answered 8,200 telephone inquiries from British citizens, handled 1,200 cases requiring assistance and issued 109 emergency passports.
“There are something like 73 foreign consulates in Chicago, and, from my view, the British are at the top of the list both for volume of work and how they do it,” said J.D. Bindenagel, a Chicago Council on Foreign Relations vice president and former U.S. ambassador to Germany. “I’m sure many think this world is nothing but formal balls and cutting ribbons, but I guarantee it’s not.”
The trade team here of 20 is one of the largest for any of the British consul general offices in the U.S.. They work both sides of the street — finding markets here for British concerns and encouraging American companies to locate in the United Kingdom.
“Chicago and the Midwest are seen as very, very fertile ground for us,” said Seaton, who came here in 2003. “A big reason is the great diversity we see here, in industries as well as people. Much of what we do is simple matchmaking.”
The consulate’s district is composed of 13 states: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North and South Dakota, Ohio and Wisconsin.
“I think a lot of their work [in the consulate] goes unnoticed because, quite frankly, the British tend to blend into this country so well,” said Christine Brenkus, executive director of the British-American Chamber of Commerce for the Midwest, a Chicago-based organization independent of the consul general’s office. “People probably would be surprised to know there are 800 British-owned companies in Illinois alone.”
The official relationship between Chicago and Great Britain extends beyond business and visas. British police officials were here recently in one of many exchanges to study our law-enforcement practices. The same initiatives take place in education, where our English as a Second Language programs are of interest.
Chicago has an active Sister City relationship with Birmingham, an industrial city in the west Midlands region of England, which has led to joint projects between the University of Birmingham and Loyola University and the University of Illinois at Chicago.
Among other educational pairings: The University of Chicago and the London School of Economics.
The consul general’s office is frequently called upon to help coordinate VIP visits, such as Prime Minister Tony Blair’s trip in 1999, when he addressed the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations, or even last month’s visit by the English national soccer team for a Soldier Field match.
The royal family causes ripples for the Chicago office, whether it’s talking to callers — both British and American — irate over the latest tabloid report or lining up a golf match for Prince Andrew, which it did several years ago when he was here for a promotion.
This is nothing new: In 1941, then Chicago consul general Lewis Bernays was asked to entertain the Duke and Duchess of Windsor — the duke formerly had been King Edward VIII before abdicating for his American-born duchess, Wallis Simpson — during a three-hour layover here between trains.
The Windsors were headed for a Canadian ski trip and, while the duchess retired to a private room, Bernays and a driver took the duke up and down the lakefront in an enclosed automobile for a tour of the city. Meanwhile, others from the consulate transferred the Windsors’ mountain of luggage, plus three Cairn terriers and six personal aides, to another train station.
Impact of Diana’s death
No one who worked in the Chicago office will ever forget the death of Princess Diana in 1997, when American mourners left more than a ton of flowers in front of the Wrigley Building that were subsequently distributed to hospitals and senior centers.
“Everywhere we went, people would come up to you and say, `You must be so sad,’” recalled Gus Noble, who worked in the consulate then and now is executive director of the Illinois St. Andrew Society, a not-for-profit organization to preserve Scottish heritage. “It wasn’t as if we knew her personally. We became professional mourners that time.”
The feelings haven’t always been so warm about the British. In 1927, former Mayor William “Big Bill” Thompson, running on an “America First” ticket to regain his City Hall office, got the Chicago Public Schools superintendent bumped from his job for being “a stool pigeon of King George” by favoring pro-British books in the classrooms.
At the time, Thompson generated a campaign to capitalize on a wave of anti-British sentiment existing then in the U.S. and rode it into office. A Chicago court eventually overturned the school board’s decision to fire the superintendent, however.
“Over the 150 years, our office has been sort of a litmus test for relations between our countries,” Seaton said, “and, for sure, there have been wrinkles. For the most part, they’ve been very, very positive. I am happy to report that’s the way they are now.”
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Great moments in Chicago-U.K. history
1855: John E. Wilkins, a lawyer and agent for a Quebec mercantile firm, was appointed first consul general in Chicago.
1860: Here’s how the Prince of Wales, later to become King Edward VII, was introduced to the City Hall press corps by Mayor John Wentworth at a Tremont Hotel reception: “Boys, this is the prince. Prince, these are the boys.”
1861: Wilkins opened an office in St. Louis to establish the neutrality of British citizens in that area during the Civil War.
1869: London theatrical producer Lydia Thompson presented her “British Blonde” comedy revue in the Crosby Opera House, a show that introduced burlesque to Chicago with “half-clothed” women, according to outraged Chicago Times publisher Wilbur Storey.
1872: Books from the British, including Queen Victoria, sent after the Great Fire of 1871 prompted Chicago to found its public library, a first for this city and one of the earliest in the U.S. for a major metropolitan area.
1889: Inspired by a visit to London’s Toynbee Hall settlement house the previous year, Jane Addams founded Hull House in Chicago’s West Side slums.
1892: Englishman Samuel Insull arrived in Chicago to establish a utilities empire for Thomas Edison that lasted into the 1920s and included Commonwealth Edison, People’s Gas and the city’s electric-powered transit system.
1901: After going bankrupt building a Chicago elevated transit line, Charles Yerkes went to England and built the first subsurface train line in London that evolved into its current underground train system.
1909: Gordon Selfridge, who started in retailing at Marshall Field’s in Chicago, returned to London to start Selfridge’s, which grew into a world-famous department store chain.
1920: Chicago business leader and Sears Roebuck chairman Julius Rosenwald purchased Encyclopedia Britannica, the legendary, Scottish-born publication, and moved the headquarters from London to Chicago.
1929: Winston Churchill, as ex-chancellor of the Exchequer, spoke to the Commercial Club of Chicago. This was the first of several public appearances Churchill made here.
1946: Mayor Edward Kelly, plus a blue-ribbon committee, was aboard the first post-World War II commercial airline flight to London to meet with United Nations officials about locating their headquarters here. (They were unsuccessful.)
1959: Queen Elizabeth and the Duke of Edinburgh made a 14-hour official stop here aboard the royal yacht Britannia to attend the Chicago International Trade Fair, which commemorated the opening of the St. Lawrence Seaway. They were hosted by Mayor Richard J. Daley and Conrad Hilton in a black-tie ball.
1966: John Lennon of the Beatles apologized in a Chicago news conference for his remark that “the Beatles are more popular than Jesus.” The comment drew worldwide criticism.
1975: Englishman Bill Foulkes, a Manchester United soccer legend, was named coach of the Chicago Sting, the city’s new professional team in the North American Soccer League. Almost a dozen English players signed to play for the team in the first season.
1976: Edward Heath, former British prime minister, guest-conducted the Chicago Symphony Orchestra as part of a benefit concert.
1993: Lord Mayor Paul Tilsley, of Birmingham, England, signed a Sister City agreement with Mayor Richard M. Daley.
1996: A visit to Chicago by Princess Diana drew a whopping 504 requests for press credentials from Chicago and worldwide media outlets.
1999: Prime Minister Tony Blair addressed the Economic Club of Chicago.
– Mike Conklin
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November 22nd, 2005 at 10:52 amMarie - do I detect a note of envy (or wistfulness)?? Loose it - or it’ll eat you alive. Actually, I don’t know anybody with a perfect life but I do know lots of people who lead grateful lives. Working hard, raising decent children, volunteering in the commiunity and schools, etc. Mr. Aphrodite and I have always gotten up early and to sleep late - I can get more done when I sleep less.
From your discussion on “peaking” I thought perhaps you were discussing your personal experience with menopause - I can’t help with that - I haven’t even hit my stride yet. I will take extra care with those wrecks tooling around in pre-dawn hours - no doubt they are under-insured.
November 22nd, 2005 at 2:20 pmWhat a wierdo this Aphro is. Strangest troll we own here. Ah well, at least we know now that her/his lack of sleep is contributing to their lack of coherent posts. Thanks for clarifying, we all just thought you were some kid skipping school.
WHEW!
November 22nd, 2005 at 2:56 pmMark Marco - you aren’t as smart as you think you are. I really hate to be the one to tell you, but your posts are cryptic and obtuse. Oh yeah, and nobody cares. Poor troll with nothing to do.
November 22nd, 2005 at 3:02 pm#53 - “What a wierdo this Aphro is. Strangest troll we own here.” Comment by PP
***** Yeah, you must be from the pro-Slavery wing of the Democrat Party. PP, I guess it is weird to people like you that others get up early, work hard, have fun, raise their families, volunteer, etc. Your note doesn’t say much about your character.
Mark - Poor PP, when he/she has nothing intelligent to say they always resort to “poor trolls” - they don’t realize they are a source of entertainment for us.
November 22nd, 2005 at 3:18 pmEntertainment for Aphro is to go onto sites where he/she offers no value, are not welcomed, and disagree with everything it stands for. Aphro finds it fun to argue with others and to try to make other folks who are unknown feel badly. What kind of person does this for entertainment value? If you have children, maybe you should use this time to be with them. We have business to accomplish. You are goofy, no doubt about it, but this site is for folks that want to move this nation forward. I would think myself foolish to go onto neocon websites and post crap that I know everyone will shriek about. Why would I do something so valueless? I never understood your motivation, but, alas, it is pure entertainment for you and nothing more. It is all about you, right? I mean, who cares what others think, as long as you get attention, it doesn’t really from who, right? Does that sound sane?
November 22nd, 2005 at 4:48 pmAnd I have tried to let you know that your posts are difficult to read because you put too much nonsense marks on them. All this **** ( )– is just bad penmanship. If you would omit the unnecessary mumbo jumbo, we could peruse your posts with much more ease. Less is more. Haven’t you heard that? And really, isn’t that what you want? To be talked to? Just an FYI to help you along your path of enlightenment, er, sorry, entertainment.
November 22nd, 2005 at 4:53 pm” Yeah, you must be from the pro-Slavery wing of the Democrat Party. ” MightyHermaphrodite
That’s called a republican, Strom Thurmond and the rest of those retards now belong to your party.
November 22nd, 2005 at 7:30 pm“RYANNe - stop telling me how masculine you are - I think you’re projecting and frankly, I don’t care. Your sexual confusion is telling, though, when you address me as Hermaphrodite - poor things(!) Bless your heart.
Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
Compared to a dyke like you, no one is masculine. I can live with that, can you? ;)
November 22nd, 2005 at 7:31 pm#57 58 - PP, This site is for people who can’t stand or compete in the system. For some who professes to love concise statements, yours are windy and boring.
November 22nd, 2005 at 7:33 pm“****Which policies would those be, RyANNe?? Specifics please.
Comment by mightyHermaphrodite”
The creation, funding, equiping of AlQueda so they’d fight Afghanistan by REPUBLICANS.
The selling of conventional and WMDs by REPUBLICANS to Iraq.
I can go on, and on, and I have in the past, but you’re retarded idiot with ZERO reading comprehension, and entirely fascist ideas… YOU ARE A HITLER NAZI - YOUR MOMMA SHOULD BE PROUD!
November 22nd, 2005 at 7:33 pmMightyHermaphrodite,
You quote items from professors at Junior Colleges as though this is world shattering news? Wow, either you’re entirely desperate over at the freakedOutRepublic, or you’re just too stupid to distinguish real news from fake news. I’d say both constitute apt descriptions for you and your fellow fascist idiots.
How can someone as retarded as you possibly practice law? Surely you must have an ambulance chaser service, no REAL legal opinion could possibly come from someone as moronic as you.
November 22nd, 2005 at 7:38 pm“Thanks for clearing up your “position†(HA!) - you spew on every thread who has time to read your “self-important†volumes. The Ayatollah’s appreciate your support. Burka, anyone? On a serious note, your pitiful attempt to condemn the opposition of our most hated enemy at the time is conveniently time warped - as if learned at college, instead of lived through. You need some new material, kid.” MightHermaphrodite,
Funny - kid. That’s really amusing from a man-bitch who sounds like she’s just come from her catholic school man hating bitch session with the nuns. You really learned some bad habits there little girl, that as an adult just makes you look childish and foolish.
Last time I checked, republicans like your buddy limbaugh call american women who work to create equality as ‘feminazis’, so your ‘Burka’ claim is quite ironic - albeit entirely misplaced. As for supporting the ‘mullahs’, that was the republicans - so clearly I repost for good reason, as you still haven’t realized the consequences of REPUBLICANS FUNDING ALQUEDA AND DICTATORS. See when your boy Bush holds hands and kisses the Saudi Dictator, it’s you and your republicans who are in bed with the mullah (from the photo’s it appears literally).
So your little retarded slaps are just petty and entirely displaced - as is your entire hatefilled and ignorant value system.
Anyone as pathological and retarded as you is normally barred from having children by social services, where did you say you lived again? What city was that?
November 22nd, 2005 at 7:43 pmRyANNe - Afghan fighters did the world a proud service - sadly you are sooooo stupid and ignorant as to link honest Afghanis (fighting your friends in the mercifully gone, Soviet Union) with the wack jobs of the Taliban. You are one pathetic “comrade” - but cheer up, your Mom loves you anyway (she has to). What would YOU know about values???
November 22nd, 2005 at 8:40 pmRyANNe - You poor thing - stop relying on your friends at NOW. Limbaugh has said loudly and CLEARLY that there are only 30 or so “femmi-Nazis” - they are pitifully UGLY feminists who couldn’t or wouldn’t date - men, that is. Your ability to represent half truths as (forgive me) Gospel might demonstrate to you why you are the laughingstock you are. Is half a truth half a lie?
November 22nd, 2005 at 8:54 pmI-RIGHT-I and MIGHTY APHRODITE are KKKers. Check out Post No. 188 here: http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/22/schmidt-marine/
November 22nd, 2005 at 8:55 pmI love how it’s become a copout to compare anyone opposed to the war (or any of Bush’s policies) to Michael Moore…
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:29 pmMy membership in the KKK would come as an extreme disppointment to the maternal side of my family, Jews who fled the Nazi’s after the occupation of Austria. But, luckily I am aware (whew!) that people with no salient point will often stoop to the gutter to try to interject any point. Sadly, some prog Think Pessimism participants can’t remember their own talking-points if they engage in repartee with the opposition. Maybe that’s where Lenin got the idea that some of you would be handy-dandy “useful idiots”.
November 23rd, 2005 at 11:42 am#67 Lavender: And who has more credibility these days, George Bush or Michael Moore?!
November 24th, 2005 at 1:37 amRyan’s right! I personally flew to Afghanistan to give Osama a hot cup of coacoa. I had no idea he would turn on me like that, he seemed like such a nice boy…a nice bearded Uzi carrying guy with a twinkle in his eye and a boyish charm….Thank you Ryan for showing me the error of my ways. From now on I’m going to join the democrat’s plan of….of….you know, running away and stuff like that. Go dems!
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