Marine Quoted By Schmidt Says He Never Mentioned Murtha
Marine Quoted By Schmidt Says He Never Mentioned Murtha
During Rep. Jean Schmidt’s (R-OH) shameful attack on Rep. Jack Murtha (D-PA) on the House Floor she said she was communicating a message from Marine Colonel Danny Bubp:
A few minutes ago I received a call from Colonel Danny Bubp, Ohio Representative from the 88th district in the House of Representatives. He asked me to send Congress a message: Stay the course. He also asked me to send Congressman Murtha a message, that cowards cut and run, Marines never do. Danny and the rest of America and the world want the assurance from this body – that we will see this through.
Bubp denies he said that:
Danny Bubp, a freshman state representative who is a colonel in the Marine Corps Reserve, told The Enquirer that he never mentioned Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., by name when talking with Schmidt…”There was no discussion of him personally being a coward or about any person being a coward,” Bubp said.
Schmidt needs to come clean.
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That woman could shower forever and never come clean.
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:29 amI think Schmidt needs to provide a full accounting of what happened or resign. It’s that simple. You can’t just go around breaking house rules and attacking war heros and expect to get away with it.
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:29 am“Colonel Danny” is just covering for Schmidt. He’s an old friend and a long-time sleazy GOP operative. Check out his history at:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ max-blumenthal/ who-is-mean-jeans-marine_b_10993.html
(Max Blumenthal at Huffingtonpost)
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:30 amShe did the same thing to Hackett. He was in Iraq. They did the same thing to McCain, Kerry the list is endless. When it comes to winning at any cost, today’s GOP is first rate. However, it won’t work next year.
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:31 amFor what? Behaving like liberals behave on a daily basis? Schmidt didn’t call Murtha anything liberals haven’t called the President.
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:35 amIf he is covering for Schmidt he’s got a funny way of doing it. He is basically saying she made up portions of the conversation.
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:35 am#3 It’s always tough trying to figure out who is lying, when 2 repuglicans are talking about the same thing
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:35 amShe’s a one termer if I’ve ever seen one. She’ll spend the next two years explaining her comments.
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:39 amWhat an ass and I’m not talking of her physique.
#4 - bull shit. You people always start it by calling the President a liar.
Liberals have the thinnest skin in America considering the slander they throw around on a daily basis. AND Murtha is a coward - he doesn’t even have the balls to vote for pullout. Just bitch about it.
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:39 amJean Schmidt should resign now. She is a disgrace to the House.
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:40 am#8 - Schmidt will be re-elected. We thought she was a RINO in August when she beat that lowlife Hackett (and the Dems claimed victory anyway). The base is behind her now.
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:40 amI think Schmidt needs to provide a full accounting of what happened or resign. It’s that simple. You can’t just go around breaking house rules and attacking war heroes and expect to get away with it.
Comment by digger
Go screw yourself. When Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi and the rest of the Filthy Left in Washington apologize for saying the President lied and for other treasonous acts too numerous to mention we’ll think about rephrasing what Schmidt said.
That fat old fart Murtha might have served but it doesn’t make him a hero and the fact is only cowards and traitors cut and run. Oh, by the way…Kerry should be shot for a traitor for consorting with the N. Vietnamese in Paris spilling his guts and conspiring to actively subvert US operations in SE Asia.
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:41 amHe’s lying. She’s far too stupid to dream up that comment. He said it, or told her to say it in that phrase. The guy is a right-wing whacko. Of COURSE he’s denying it now…what else do you expect?
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:42 am#12 - right on. If liberals’ skin is so thin, maybe they should STFU and stop attacking the Commander in Chief on a daily basis.
MURTHA IS A SHAMELESS PIG like Cindy Sheehan.
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:42 amWhat did the Republicans do to Clinton for eight years?
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:42 amWho did the name calling first Republicans.
Schmidt didn’t call Murtha anything liberals haven’t called the President.
The difference is that the facts back up the accusations against Bush. Murtha stood behind his principles and served in the Marines. Bush used his family connections to weasel out of the war into a cushy Guard appointment, and couldn’t even be bothered to actually fulfull that much.
That people make the same accusation doesn’t make them equivalent. It depends on whether there’s any facts behind it. If I accused Albert Einstein of being an idiot, I’d be a crank. If I accused you of being one, I’d be stating the obvious.
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:44 amThe base is behind Schmidt!
Nothing spells one-termer like the base being behind you these days.
Congratulations, the White Citizens Council can’t save her now.
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:44 amHA-HA on those Ohio Voters! GRRRRRREAT!!! Representation they got for themselves!!!!
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:46 amStick Woman fits right in. Y’know they have all the facts on their side.
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:52 amI think I can hear her family calling her…
“Jean… Jean… come spend more time with us…. Jean…”
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:52 amOne way of finding out what rep Bubp said would be if the conversation was recorded.
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:56 amSince they’re both Republicans, I wonder which of them is lying?
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:56 amAhhh, our troll crew (you know who you are BOYS)is back in action. Guess you’ve forgotten the SPANKING you took in the recent elections. Clue - Wait till you see the ‘06 results!!!! We won’t see your sorry lying asses ’round here for months. Can’t come too soon if you ask me. But you losers won’t stop the thread.
She’s gonna have to be voted out next year. Any folk from Ohio here wanna give us their 2 cents reguarding what her constituents think about this evil bitch? We’d like to know.
Even the Iraqi leadership now want a timetable reguarding US withdrawl from Bushco. It’s gonna be interesting to see how they will claim the need to keep “some” permanent forces their (to hold onto what they think is THEIR oil).
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:56 amI think I can hear her family calling her… “Jean… Jean… come spend more time with us…. Jean…”
“If liberals’ skin is so thin, maybe they should STFU and stop attacking the Commander in Chief on a daily basis.”
1) Murtha is not a ‘liberal’. 2) A member of the house made shit up and insulted another member during a house session
“MURTHA IS A SHAMELESS PIG like Cindy Sheehan”
3) Murtha re-upped in his 30’s so he could go serve in Vietman. 4) now sit down, and stfu.
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:56 amYou people always start it by calling the President a liar.
No, the President started it by lying.
Personally, I don’t agree with Murtha. But I wouldn’t call him a coward, either, since he’s put a lot more on the line for this country than I have. I think Republicans, most of whom are in a similar situation, should challenge Murtha on the issues rather than calling him names.
November 22nd, 2005 at 9:59 amBubp, what a manipulator, but that’s par for the course with the USMC. Colonel, USMC = skillfully manipulative liar. How else can you convince angry men to give their lives for the Corps and country. It also says much more about Murtha to have overcome the brainwashing.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:05 amThe trolls are particularly vicious this morning.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:06 amWow, Northeast Dilemma. So because someone is president, that means they don’t have to be called out when they’re dishonest? You sound like a dog who’s owner has been insulted. Think for yourself. The man and his administration lied to the world. They are duping you and those that support him. It’s the bubble boy apologists like you that swallow the party line that allow this travesty of an adiminstration to continue.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:09 amBubp is a whore. Schmidt is a whore. Bubp just decided that he wasn’t going down with Jean. One scumbag turning on another scumbag.
Good.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:12 amUSA President George W. Bush planned to bomb pan-Arab television broadcaster al-Jazeera, British newspaper the Daily Mirror said, citing a Downing Street memo marked “Top Secret”.
This Bush fella is some kind of nutcase, eh?
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:12 amWhat do the USA population intend to do about him?
Do you have a non-confidence vote mechanism in your government?
What about impeachment, trial for war crimes, conviction, public execution, carion birds eating his flesh?
Any other alternatives?
Republican backpedal…
->Murtha advocated we cut and run.
->People who cut and run are cowards.
But I am not saying Murtha is a coward.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>
And so it is that the GOP opens a new front on war on logic.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:12 amRep. Jean Schmidt lied
It looks like Rep. Jean Schmidt just made up that whole thing about another Marine wanting to send a nastygram to John Murtha via the House floor. (via Think Progress) Danny Bubp, a freshman state representative who is a colonel…
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:12 amThere are sooo many Spin Stories out there. Thats what is saving the Current Administration.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:13 am(The no-Spin Zone?) Give me a break.
I suspect Bubp meant Murtha, but is too much of a coward now to admit it.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:14 amDon,t buy into this too much, its another attempt to spin your heads away from reality.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:15 amStick with the Stories that WILL produce RESULTS.
Hey, I-RIGHT-I and NED. Glad to have your help here defending Schmidt and continueing an attack on a conservative democrat, twice-wounded war hero like Col. Jack Murtha, USMC, Retired. What a class act calling him a fat old fart.
Correct me if I’m wrong, RIGHT, but fat old fart or not, I bet Murtha could still knock your dick stiff, if you have one. I mean, I’m on your side here, but like I said before, a tough guy like you ought to make it easier for the fat old farts and chickenshit liberals to find you so you can kick their asses, as you like to threaten weekly.
That goes for NED, too, who’s defination of Murtha being a “shameless pig” came from the last time she looked in the mirror and saw a fat cow looking back at herself.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:15 amAt last, the Bush Administration has their own version of Martha Mitchell. The only thing that was missing in this mess was the comic relief that Martha provided during the Nixon Debacle.
I can barely wait for her 3AM confessional phone calls to the press.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:17 amKeith H, I noticed that too, my thought was: “I’m Meltingggggggggggggggg”….help meeeeeeeeeee”.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:18 amNortheast Dilemma,
If you have served in the military, thank you for your service. I have not served, so I would never call someone who has served a coward for any reason. This is not about who’s a coward and who is not. America is getting fed up with this war. They want leadership and so far Murtha and John McCain are the only ones showing leadership. The “shut up about the war” strategy is not working. It’s in everyone’s interest that we succeed in Iraq.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:20 amI just called my representative and requested that he call for Schmidt’s resignation. I hope you’ll do so, too.
You simply cannot tell lies like that on the floor of the House (or anywhere, when you’re an elected public servant) and get away with it. The distressing point here is that so many ideologically-driven Right wingers seem to believe it’s okay to lie, because Dems do it.
When Dems lie they should be shown the door. When Republicans lie, same thing. Have we gone so far down the tubes that we cannot even agree on this?
There is so much anger in many of you, particularly on the Right. This stress is going to kill you, NeD, and unlike what seems to be the case among this site’s left-leaning cohort, I actually would prefer for you to have a long, healthy life. Perhaps some meditation, deep breathing exercises may help.
We are all Americans and should care for each other on that basis, and on the basis that we’re all human and have inalienable worth.
Let’s try not to turn this wonderful forum into a trash-talking, sh*t-spewing sewer. We have Jerry Springer and Fox, so why be redundant?
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:20 am“If liberals’ skin is so thin, maybe they should STFU and stop attacking the Commander in Chief on a daily basis.”
As a civilian, I owe no allegiance to the “Commander in Chief.” On the other hand, the president is entirely accountable the American people, and therefore, we’re have every right to say whatever we want to about him.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:21 amGod the trolls are shameless. Let’s through some sh*t against the wall and see of anything sticks.
Nope nothing sticking today.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:22 amJean Schmidt:
->Murtha advocated we cut and run.
->People who cut and run are cowards.
->But I am not saying Murtha is a coward.
->By doing so, I am cutting and running.
->By my own logic, I am a coward.
(thanks, #31)
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:22 amIt bears mentioning that the pentagon IS gearing up to withdraw troops in the next six months, or so the media has been reporting.
Maybe this guy Murtha should run for president himself. I’d vote for him.
How about Murtha/Obama ‘06?
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:26 amI wonder if the crying Senator Murtha will visit the policmen and firemen’s families that are killed each year in the line of duty and ask that they be pulled out of areas that are dangerous? How about putting a moratorium on young people so they cannot drive cars or motorcycles because they too can kill. Probably doing that would not improve his political clout.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:26 amYou know, it was much more interesting to see the frothing of the trolls than to engage them in “conversation.” As I read the thread above, the trolls got more and more excited, till someone answered them. It’s so much more fun to leave their silliness unsullied, and let them hang themselves with words.
Leave ‘em be, boys and girls, leave ‘em be.
Ed
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:27 amWhen I served in the military, I owed my allegiance to the Commander in Chief. I did that. I’m a citizen know and have a president.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the President owes me HIS allegiance, not the other way around. I mean, the last time I checked on the Consititution, it stated this was a Republic, not a democracy and not a facist regime. I OWE no one my allegiance. My allegiance has to be earned.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:28 amCorrection to comment 45–Representative
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:31 amOne is given considerable reason to wonder just what northeast’s dilemma really is.Perhaps the agonizing decision over whether to walk or chew gum since it’s patently obvious he/she couldn’t perform the acts simultaneously.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:31 am#45 - Get real. Completely different situations and you know it.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:33 amAnd she shall forever be known as the Wicked Witch of the Midwest.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:36 amNewsflash. The Iraqi people want a timetable set to move our US troops out of Iraq. RIGHT ON!!!
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:36 am#45.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:37 amIraqi Leaders Call On U.S. To Set Timetable
any comment?
What did the Republicans do to Clinton for eight years?
Who did the name calling first Republicans.
Comment by Mary Poppin
Clinton was a thief, a liar, a sexual pervert, traitor and probably a serial killer by proxy and all we did was call him by that which he was known. Seems to me he was treated more than fairly.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:44 amThe Overthrow Of The
American Republic, Part 76
London Bombings - To Save Bush/Blair/Queen?
by Sherman H. Skolnick
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We might get some early insight into the violence in London by considering some timeline items.
As of July, 2005, the Chicago Special Federal Prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, reportedly had witnesses who already testified before the Special Federal Grand Jury in the outing of a deep cover CIA operative, Valerie Plame, wife of former U.S. Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson 4th, who had publicly criticized George W. Bush for using false data as to Saddam supposedly using uranium, yellow cake it is called, from Niger.
Two or more grand jury witnesses ostensibly testified that George W. Bush himself was aware that Bush White House chief honcho, Karl Rove, was reportedly going to leak data as to Valerie Plame, as a reprisal against her husband for publicly panning Bush.
The federal grand jury already had subpoenas reportedly served and/or testimony received, from and/or about Jeff Gannon, male prostitute that visited some 200 times, on one-day passes, at Bush’s White House apartment, according to U.S. Secret Service records. Those documents, however, do not reflect whether Gannon departed the White House after one day each trip made.
Some witnesses assert that Gannon received the data as to Valerie Plame directly from George W. Bush himself and that reputed journalist Gannon ostensibly conveyed it to
Time Magazine reporter Mathew Cooper, who agrees to now testify after being threatened with contempt of court, and convey the same reportedly to New York Times reporter Judith Miller now jailed for refusing to testify before the Special Federal Grand Jury.
[As to Jeff Gannon, visiti our archives at rense.com as to our series as to Bush and the male prostitute, “The Gannon Cannon”.
Fitzgerald also subpoenaed the records of transmissions from Air Force One, Bush’s airplane. Unless the subpoena is disobeyed, the resultant items might seem to support other testimony that George W. Bush himself is subject to prosecution for a Federal Criminal Offense in blowing the “cover” of Valerie Plame.
A note about espionage protocol. Covert espionage operatives are usually informed ahead of time of an upcoming violent event, such as a high-level bombing or political assassination, by a strange item in the mass media. A few examples.
Just prior to the public execution of President John F. Kennedy while traveling in an open car, Time Magazine ran a ghastly drawing on its cover showing JFK looking like a dead man, a ghost, sitting in his rocking chair because of his long ailing back.
Similarly, Time Magazine, just prior to the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy, ran a cover story depicting Bobby as a foolish child in a polka dot baby’s outfit.
The day before the attempted assassination of newly inauguated President Ronald Reagan, in 1981, was a boxed in item in many mass media newspapers. It stated that just released data shows that a member of British royalty, a prominent militaristic Tory, secretly traveled across the U.S. in 1968, to elicit American elite aid to overthrow the British Labour Government in London.
Covert intelligence dirty tricksters are trained to watch for these tip-offs of upcoming bloodshed events.
So it should come as no surprise that on July 4, 2005, the Queen’s news trumpet, the Chicago Tribune, published a possible upcoming mass murder tip-off, of the then upcoming London bombings of July 7, 2005. (According to ownership disclosures required by postal regulations, each newspaper must publish once a year, often way back behind the grocery page, details of the news outlets ownership. The top British royals are major owners of Tribune Company, parent firm of a presslord empire that includes the Chicago Tribune. This media empire gets their pulp and other newsprint from Canadian Jesuit facilities, by way of a perpetual contract originally signed by the King of England in the 19th Century.)
The lengthy Chicago Tribune story was headlined “The queen’s eyes in Chicago” July 4, 2005. (We shall attempt to attach herewith a copy.) Notice this item referring to a date 1901:
“1901. After going bankrupt building a Chicago elevated transit line, Charles Yerkes WENT TO ENGLAND AND BUILT THE FIRST SUBSURFACE TRANSIT LINE IN LONDON THAT EVOLVED INTO THE CURRENT UNDERGROUND TRAIN SYSTEM.” (Emphasis added.)
To farflung covert dirty tricksters was this the tip-off of upcoming events required by espionage procedures? Advance warning of the London bombings?
Prior to September11, 2001, namely on Saturday, August 18, 2001, the New York Times published a strange story about mysterious squatters secretly living on the 91st floor of one of the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center. Following 9-11, neither the New York Times nor any other media outlet mentioned this strange prior story. We later attached an actual copy from the New York Times archives to one of our stories in this series, Overthrow of the American Republic.
Notice what was pending at the time public attention was diverted by the London bombings including of their very deep in the ground subway:
(1) An unofficial , that is Ad Hoc Committe of the U.S. House of Representatives was quietly considering Resolutions of Impeachment against the occupant and resident of the White House, George W. Bush. Includrd were charges of treason for starting a war without vote of Congress. and on knowingly false and fraudulent data. Including the Bush White House being blackmailed out of U.S. Military secrets by his homosexual activities reportedly with Jeff Gannon and also the once longtime Mayor of Knoxville, Tennessee, Victor Ashe, who left his Knoxville post and was by Bush shipped out of the U.S. to be the Ambassador to Poland, and thus unavailable for questioning by Congressmen. This part of the homosexual media and poilitical underground has been used by the Red Chinese Secret Police to blackmail U.S. weapons secrets out of the Bush White House. [Visit “Overthrow”, part 24 http://www.skolnicksreport.com ]
The Ad Hoc Impeachment Resoloution Committee is apparently bi-partisan composed of 40 Democrats and 30 Republicans.
Israeli Intelligence, The Mossad, apparently told the London police authorities in advance of the London bombings what might happen. Because a great number of London security police were in Scotland to protect Bush and Blair at G-8 Super Bankers Conference, only a skeleton police force was available in London. So The Mossad warning was not considered. To clean up possible mention of the bombings being a high-level inside job of a portion of the Anglo-American Aristocracy to protect Bush/Bair/Queen, the London authorities reversed the apparent actual facts and said that the London police informed The Mossad ahead of time.
The Impeachment of Bush Resolutions were reportedly set to be revealed on July 11, 2005.
(2.) Other accusations were quietly pending against Queen of England stooge and scapegoat Tony Blair at the time of the London bombings.
(3.) Some of our websites from as far back as 2000, have posted the document showing that the Bushies have a joint account with Queen Elizabeth 2nd amounting to One Hundred Billion Dollars, in the Queen’s private bank, Coutts Bank London, as shown, arranged by the secret code of Alan Greenspan, head of the Federal Reserve. Daddy Bush was a private business partner with Saddam Hussein and shared many billions of dollars shaken down from the weak Persian Gulf oil-soaked sheikdoms. [Visit http://www.skolnicksreport.com item “The Secrets of Timothy McVeigh”.]
Saddam retains (whether actually in U.S. custody or a double in custody or Saddam kept in some foreign embassy); a large financial interest in the Bushie-Queen joint account.
According to the December 19, 2001 issue of London Financial Times, the Queen ordered the head of her private bank to become a part of the Bushie worldwide enterprise, Carlyle Group.
Shortly after the 9-11 high-level inside job, knocking down the Twin Towers with internal explosives, we posted a story that Israeli intelligence, The Mossad, wanted to inform the Bush White House and the Bush Justice Department of the upcoming violence in Lower Manhattan. Upon being rebuffed, the Israelis used the French CIA to so inform Bush and his Justice Department which likewise refused to consider the prior warning.
Stories published in Europe and mostly censored by the U.S. monopoly press, detailed how the Spanish Secret Political Police apparently orchestrated the March, 2005, bombings of trains in Madrid that killed hundreds. Spain’s spy agency sought to blame it on Basque and other extremists. Actually it was done on behalf of the re-emerging crowned heads of Europe, once called the Hapsburgs, including Spain King Juan Carlos.
The Spanish King, late in 2004, met with Bush at Bush’s ranch along with Vicente Fox, President of Mexico. Bush secretly agreed to surrender to Mexico’s sovereignty parts of southern California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. Such a secret arrangement is not only violative of the U.S. Constitution but reverses centures of worldwide history. Hoping to survive, a nation’s leader does not seek to give away territory taken over from a previous war. The parts of U.S. states were won by the U.S. as a result of the U.S.-Mexico War of 1849. George W. Bush commits treason to reverse the same.
Some in the United Kingdom are trying to start a groundswell, that Moslems resident in England, be rounded up and thrown out of the country at once. This apparently a result of local media starting a vicious blame campaign without considering the London bombings being a high-level dirty bloody trick of a portion of the Anglo-American Aristocracy.
(4.) As an indication of a high-level plot, not involving Moslems except possibly as patsies and dupes, the United Kingdom authorities, about a hour before the London bombings, cut off most if not all cell phone traffic. Also arbitrarily cut-off was a great deal of U.K. out-going internet traffic. As part of the BIG LIE, are the U.K. authorities, whitewashing Bush/Blair?Queen, going to deny this as well?
QUESTIONS:
Can George W. Bush, quilty of treason and other offenses against the American people and the U.S. Constitution, be as a practical matter, subject to Impeachment in the midst of the London bombings furor?
Will the commonfolk in England be understanding of possible expected details of a high-level inside job, orchestrated by the Secret Political Police for and on behalf of the British Monarchy?
Can the U.S. and the U.K. avoid martial law hysteria whipped up by the Aristocracy to cancel the U.S. Constitution and the unwritten British “Constitution”?
Do you have any ideas to aid and assist independent bloggers, condemned by the Establishment as being merely “Junkyard Dogs”, for fighting off the BIG LIE as to the true nature of the London bombings?
Is the only remedy now to consider the possibility of chopping off the heads of the Anglo-American Aristocracy for these brazen, barbaric crimes done to consolidate their power?
(We shall attempt to attach July 4, 2005 story of Chicago Tribune.)
Lots more coming. Stay tuned.
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The queen’s eyes in Chicago
British Consulate celebrates 150 years here.
`Let’s just say things have grown in complexity.’
By Mike Conklin
Tribune staff reporter
July 4, 2005
Americans are celebrating Independence Day, but the British Consulate in Chicago also has something special to toast. This is the 150th year for the diplomatic mission here, and two days in 2005 in the life of Deputy Consul Jonathan Darby show just how far its reach has extended in that time.
On the first day, Darby was in Liberal, Kan., in the far southwest corner of the state, to hobnob with Gov. Kathleen Sebelius and other VIPs. Darby was Britain’s official representative to the community’s Pancake Day, an annual festival it celebrates jointly with Olney, England, about 45 miles outside of London.
Twenty-four hours later, Darby was in a penitentiary in the southeast corner of Nebraska, listening to complaints from a British subject serving a life sentence. Monitoring Brits in Midwestern U.S. prisons is also part of the Chicago consulate’s responsibilities.
Pancakes in Kansas? Prisoners in Nebraska? Those certainly weren’t part of the job description in 1855, when Queen Victoria appointed John E. Wilkins to represent the mighty British empire in the new, promising hub on the U.S. frontier known as Chicago.
A lawyer and Canadian mercantile agent, Wilkins’ principal duty as the queen’s lone delegate here was to coordinate food exports to a homeland fighting the Crimean War. Occasionally, he was called on to perform marriages, register births, locate missing persons, arrange trips for the indigent and deliver mail to British citizens.
The queen took an interest in the American diplomatic outpost. In 1872, she authorized sending thousands of books from London as a donation in the wake of the 1871 Great Fire.
When the books arrived, Chicago used them to establish one of the country’s first free municipal libraries.
“To say that things have changed between then and now is a description that simply does not do the history justice,” said Andrew Seaton, current British consul general to Chicago and a career diplomat with 30 years in foreign officeservice. “Let’s just say things have grown in complexity.”
Today, Seaton oversees a staff of 50 professionals working from a suite taking an entire floor in the Wrigley Building. They cover a 13-state, Midwest region that dwarfs Great Britain both geographically and economically. The consulate promotes trade and investment, arranges cultural and governmental exchanges, handles visas, and, as Darby’s schedule reflects, represents British interests in an assortment of other ways.
The Chicago office is one of seven consulates in the U.S. and, as part of Great Britain’s diplomatic mission to this country, answers to the British Embassy in Washington, D.C. The embassy presents British political policy at the national level.
“We do not operate in a vacuum,” Seaton said. “Responding to needs is an important part of what we do.”
Busy times
Last year, the consulate here processed 18,500 visas, answered 8,200 telephone inquiries from British citizens, handled 1,200 cases requiring assistance and issued 109 emergency passports.
“There are something like 73 foreign consulates in Chicago, and, from my view, the British are at the top of the list both for volume of work and how they do it,” said J.D. Bindenagel, a Chicago Council on Foreign Relations vice president and former U.S. ambassador to Germany. “I’m sure many think this world is nothing but formal balls and cutting ribbons, but I guarantee it’s not.”
The trade team here of 20 is one of the largest for any of the British consul general offices in the U.S.. They work both sides of the street — finding markets here for British concerns and encouraging American companies to locate in the United Kingdom.
“Chicago and the Midwest are seen as very, very fertile ground for us,” said Seaton, who came here in 2003. “A big reason is the great diversity we see here, in industries as well as people. Much of what we do is simple matchmaking.”
The consulate’s district is composed of 13 states: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North and South Dakota, Ohio and Wisconsin.
“I think a lot of their work [in the consulate] goes unnoticed because, quite frankly, the British tend to blend into this country so well,” said Christine Brenkus, executive director of the British-American Chamber of Commerce for the Midwest, a Chicago-based organization independent of the consul general’s office. “People probably would be surprised to know there are 800 British-owned companies in Illinois alone.”
The official relationship between Chicago and Great Britain extends beyond business and visas. British police officials were here recently in one of many exchanges to study our law-enforcement practices. The same initiatives take place in education, where our English as a Second Language programs are of interest.
Chicago has an active Sister City relationship with Birmingham, an industrial city in the west Midlands region of England, which has led to joint projects between the University of Birmingham and Loyola University and the University of Illinois at Chicago.
Among other educational pairings: The University of Chicago and the London School of Economics.
The consul general’s office is frequently called upon to help coordinate VIP visits, such as Prime Minister Tony Blair’s trip in 1999, when he addressed the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations, or even last month’s visit by the English national soccer team for a Soldier Field match.
The royal family causes ripples for the Chicago office, whether it’s talking to callers — both British and American — irate over the latest tabloid report or lining up a golf match for Prince Andrew, which it did several years ago when he was here for a promotion.
This is nothing new: In 1941, then Chicago consul general Lewis Bernays was asked to entertain the Duke and Duchess of Windsor — the duke formerly had been King Edward VIII before abdicating for his American-born duchess, Wallis Simpson — during a three-hour layover here between trains.
The Windsors were headed for a Canadian ski trip and, while the duchess retired to a private room, Bernays and a driver took the duke up and down the lakefront in an enclosed automobile for a tour of the city. Meanwhile, others from the consulate transferred the Windsors’ mountain of luggage, plus three Cairn terriers and six personal aides, to another train station.
Impact of Diana’s death
No one who worked in the Chicago office will ever forget the death of Princess Diana in 1997, when American mourners left more than a ton of flowers in front of the Wrigley Building that were subsequently distributed to hospitals and senior centers.
“Everywhere we went, people would come up to you and say, `You must be so sad,’” recalled Gus Noble, who worked in the consulate then and now is executive director of the Illinois St. Andrew Society, a not-for-profit organization to preserve Scottish heritage. “It wasn’t as if we knew her personally. We became professional mourners that time.”
The feelings haven’t always been so warm about the British. In 1927, former Mayor William “Big Bill” Thompson, running on an “America First” ticket to regain his City Hall office, got the Chicago Public Schools superintendent bumped from his job for being “a stool pigeon of King George” by favoring pro-British books in the classrooms.
At the time, Thompson generated a campaign to capitalize on a wave of anti-British sentiment existing then in the U.S. and rode it into office. A Chicago court eventually overturned the school board’s decision to fire the superintendent, however.
“Over the 150 years, our office has been sort of a litmus test for relations between our countries,” Seaton said, “and, for sure, there have been wrinkles. For the most part, they’ve been very, very positive. I am happy to report that’s the way they are now.”
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Great moments in Chicago-U.K. history
1855: John E. Wilkins, a lawyer and agent for a Quebec mercantile firm, was appointed first consul general in Chicago.
1860: Here’s how the Prince of Wales, later to become King Edward VII, was introduced to the City Hall press corps by Mayor John Wentworth at a Tremont Hotel reception: “Boys, this is the prince. Prince, these are the boys.”
1861: Wilkins opened an office in St. Louis to establish the neutrality of British citizens in that area during the Civil War.
1869: London theatrical producer Lydia Thompson presented her “British Blonde” comedy revue in the Crosby Opera House, a show that introduced burlesque to Chicago with “half-clothed” women, according to outraged Chicago Times publisher Wilbur Storey.
1872: Books from the British, including Queen Victoria, sent after the Great Fire of 1871 prompted Chicago to found its public library, a first for this city and one of the earliest in the U.S. for a major metropolitan area.
1889: Inspired by a visit to London’s Toynbee Hall settlement house the previous year, Jane Addams founded Hull House in Chicago’s West Side slums.
1892: Englishman Samuel Insull arrived in Chicago to establish a utilities empire for Thomas Edison that lasted into the 1920s and included Commonwealth Edison, People’s Gas and the city’s electric-powered transit system.
1901: After going bankrupt building a Chicago elevated transit line, Charles Yerkes went to England and built the first subsurface train line in London that evolved into its current underground train system.
1909: Gordon Selfridge, who started in retailing at Marshall Field’s in Chicago, returned to London to start Selfridge’s, which grew into a world-famous department store chain.
1920: Chicago business leader and Sears Roebuck chairman Julius Rosenwald purchased Encyclopedia Britannica, the legendary, Scottish-born publication, and moved the headquarters from London to Chicago.
1929: Winston Churchill, as ex-chancellor of the Exchequer, spoke to the Commercial Club of Chicago. This was the first of several public appearances Churchill made here.
1946: Mayor Edward Kelly, plus a blue-ribbon committee, was aboard the first post-World War II commercial airline flight to London to meet with United Nations officials about locating their headquarters here. (They were unsuccessful.)
1959: Queen Elizabeth and the Duke of Edinburgh made a 14-hour official stop here aboard the royal yacht Britannia to attend the Chicago International Trade Fair, which commemorated the opening of the St. Lawrence Seaway. They were hosted by Mayor Richard J. Daley and Conrad Hilton in a black-tie ball.
1966: John Lennon of the Beatles apologized in a Chicago news conference for his remark that “the Beatles are more popular than Jesus.” The comment drew worldwide criticism.
1975: Englishman Bill Foulkes, a Manchester United soccer legend, was named coach of the Chicago Sting, the city’s new professional team in the North American Soccer League. Almost a dozen English players signed to play for the team in the first season.
1976: Edward Heath, former British prime minister, guest-conducted the Chicago Symphony Orchestra as part of a benefit concert.
1993: Lord Mayor Paul Tilsley, of Birmingham, England, signed a Sister City agreement with Mayor Richard M. Daley.
1996: A visit to Chicago by Princess Diana drew a whopping 504 requests for press credentials from Chicago and worldwide media outlets.
1999: Prime Minister Tony Blair addressed the Economic Club of Chicago.
– Mike Conklin
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November 22nd, 2005 at 10:48 amDo you have a non-confidence vote mechanism in your government?
We don’t have any vote mechanism at the moment that actually works, thanks to partisan frauds like Diebold, ES&S, and Kenny Blackwell.
November 22nd, 2005 at 10:50 amI-right-I - ever engage in oral sex? If so, you’re a stinking hypocrite. If not, you’re a neo-puritan that’s screwed in the head anyway. Either way, there’s houseplants with more of a clue than you.
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:09 am# 55
You sure must be bright… Ken Starr spent 30 million dollars of your money and mine trying to find a shred of evidence on all the points you make. Couldn’t find a damn thing he could ever prove, except that Bill got some fellatio from Monica and might have even lied about it under oath, if you happen to believe that fellatio is sex. Or as much sex as sex.
Let’s say I received fellatio at 16, but lost my virginity at 18. If this is possible, according to your definition of sex, then B. Clinton didn’t even lie about sex.
I am attracted to women. I may even like a little fellatio too, at times. Does that make me a pervert?
We should have saved the money and called you! You could have gotten the impeachment over the finish line, I’ll bet.
BTW, what Clinton’s behavior has to do with George’s and Dick’s is utterly beyond me. If a criminal gets away with his crime, does that mean that there are no laws anymore?
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:13 amHey trolls,
You boys are real Good Germans. Hell you guys are better than Stalinists, you’d run over your grandmother for the party and your Glorious Leader.
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:14 amI-right-I,
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:14 amYour description of Clinton sounds exactly like you could have been talking about Bush except for the perversion thing, and if you think getting a blowjob is perverted I feel nothing but pity for you.
LOL, the Republican trolls have me rolling this morning.
You poor guys. I mean, really. . . you’re just too funny. It’s amazing how the human mind can twist anything and everything around. You lie to yourselves, you lie to each other in a vain attempt to make yourselves feel better, and you KNOW you’re lying to us ands each other, but you got nowhere else to go because you just don’t have the courage to say, wait a minute, what’s really going on?
Is this REALLY the party of Ronald Reagan?
Not any more, boys and girls. Ronald Reagan is spinning in his grave. Can you imagine how ashamed he would be of what George W. Bush and the NeoCons have done to his beloved Party? To the country? To our economy? To our world prestige? To our military?
Don’t you guys see how destructive W is? Everything he’s involved in ends up damaged in one way or another.
Even you guys. Look at what W is doing to you. You have no arguments, only lies and misrepresentations and attacks. Bush has you lying to yourselves, and how or why you would think that’s OK, is just beyond my comprehension.
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:19 amHow about a moment of silence for JFK, dead 33 years ago this afternoon?
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:19 amTo the Republican commenter above who said: “Have we gone so far down the tubes…?”
The answer is yes. But you still have further to go. When the ‘06 and ‘08 elections are done, the neoconservative movement of the Republican Party will be a footnote in the history books. To the extent that the Republicans fail to find a way to shake off the neo-Trotskyite beliefs of the strange, soft men who have taken the White House and have taken over their party, they will go back to the days when only about 1/5th of Americans would identify themselves as Republicans.
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:20 am“Schmidt needs to come clean.” As if.
#55 - Knock off that shit, ron.
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:23 amPope Ratzo, I love your turn of phrase, “strange, soft men.” Mmmm, very evocative.
As far as returning the Republicans whence they came… I can only hope along with you that this happens. But it won’t unless the Democrats return to THEIR base - the labor segment, the people without trust funds, etc. The middle class. The poor. Those who need health insurance, real tax relief (as opposed to those who receive it now). Student loans, these kinds of things. The fourth-fifths of whom you speak.
Republicans took over the government with the rallying cry that government is the problem, not the solution. Well they’re right about that now - they’ve seen to it.
The Democrats must return to being something other than what they are now, the nation’s second-best pro-business political party.
BTW, Would you honor me with a visit to my blog?
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:28 amIf you take it, don’t dish it out. This is just the beginning. Democrats have lowered the discourse to next to nothing because of their hatred for Bush. Well - guess what - conservatives can hate to.
Murtha will be investigated by the House ethics committee because of his brother’s questionable dealings. It’s get worse for cowardly liberals from here.
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:32 amYou lie to yourselves, you lie to each other in a vain attempt to make yourselves feel better, and you KNOW you’re lying to us ands each other, but you got nowhere else to go because you just don’t have the courage to say, wait a minute, what’s really going on?
Is this REALLY the party of Ronald Reagan?
Ummm… the same Ronald Reagan who said, “While I still believe we did not sell weapons to Iran, the facts tell me otherwise?”
Reagan practically invented the notion that it’s not a lie if you believe it hard enough, and are oblivious to the facts.
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:34 am“Conservatives can hate too” NAaaa…really?
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:38 amNED, Karl Rove lowered the process to a competition of smears, rumors, and political pranks. I think it is your heroes who are finally taking what they have dished out. You can blame everyone but yourselves, but it won’t help. As you can see, the tired old line that liberals are cowards and surrender-monkeys doesn’t play anymore. Bush had to back-pedal plenty fast on his tried-and-true line of attack, didn’t he? Any day now, Cheney will get the message, too.
Republicans came to power on a wave of hatred. Hatred of liberals, of foreigners, of poor people, of gays. Their hate was so important they needed a constitutional amendment (until the election was over, anyway).
What you are feeling is not hate, but the vise-like grip of facts crushing your pathetic world view.
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:38 amThe harder I work, the luckier I get. Is it any coincidence that we are all so unlucky when Bush takes his month-long vacations? I know plenty of small business owners who go four years without a vacation. Seems that for the honor of being president, showing up to work every day is the least you can do.
Bush thought he could coast through on his ideology. He didn’t realize that running a country is a 24×7 job. I guess it turned out to be far more complex than he anticipated. He sure enjoys the perks of being President: mountain biking on closed refuge land, riding around with his KGB buddy, having the Crown Prince who funded 9/11 over at his ranch for a visit.
Then suddenly something happens that he might have anticipated but didn’t. Every time.
Wonder what is next?
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:43 am[…] Let’s see…call Jack Murtha a coward on the House floor, claim some other neanderthal state rep did it, the neanderthal state rep says he never said it…sounds like the GOP to me! Can’t wait until the indictments start to fly on Capitol Hill over Bob Ney…it’ll be like cockroaches scurrying off the Titanic. […]
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:45 am#70 - you wish! I think it was Gore who tried to smear Bush over a two-bit DUI story on the eve of the 2000 election. It was also Gore who took the election to Court after Florida certified the election result. Of course, the USSC stepped in, as everyone knew they would and told Gore to knock it off. So - you started it - we finished it.
AND just like everything else political, you starting a fight you will ultimately lose.
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:45 amHey 4, 11, 13 here’s message for you.
UTVAMH
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:47 amI think Schmidt needs to provide a full accounting of what happened or resign. It’s that simple. You can’t just go around breaking house rules and attacking war heros and expect to get away with it.
Apparently, you can if you’re a Republican.
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:50 am#77 - give me a break. Schmidt attacked a Democrat - should all Democrats that attack Bush and Cheney step down. Will the left-wing fascist please GROW UP. There is freedom of speech in this country and sometimes the GOP will hit back at it’s critics (the horror!!). If you can’t take the heat, then I suggest you STFU!
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:53 amNED #66. “Cowardly liberals”?
Your mama.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but if I was a liberal instead of a conservative I would say that.
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:54 amNED #66. “Cowardly liberals”?
Your mama.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but if I was a liberal instead of a conservative I would say that.
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:54 am#80 - considering the crying over Schmidt’s comments, I would argue thin-skinned. Liberals are thin-skinned babies who can’t handle political attacks. Republicans understand politics and reality.
November 22nd, 2005 at 11:57 am“There is freedom of speech in this country and sometimes the GOP will hit back at it’s critics (the horror!!). If you can’t take the heat, then I suggest you STFU!”
And in this statement we see just how thin the line is between conservatism and authoritarianism. The rightwingers pay lip service to freedom of speech, but then when someone they disagree with exercises it, they tell them to shut up.
Sorry, NED, but we’re not going to STFU, and you’d better get used to it.
November 22nd, 2005 at 12:00 pmFor what? Behaving like liberals behave on a daily basis? Schmidt didn’t call Murtha anything liberals haven’t called the President.
– Comment by The Northeast Dilemma — November 22, 2005 @ 9:35 am
Gee, when was the last time “us liberals” called a GOP war hero a coward? The President was AWOL from the National Guard and Cheney received 5 draft deferments; they love their country so much.
November 22nd, 2005 at 12:11 pmWell lookie here, a REPUGnican re-writing the facts and thinking she would not get caught. Now where have we seen this tactic before….oh yes, crash-cart dumbya rove libby matalin…….
Same $hit, different spoon this time.
Thank goodness there is missing white chicks and planes with landing gear stuck or the MSM might have to do their jobs and call these REPUGnicans on their antics.
I do love seeing the trolls in their last throes trying to justify the evil that is this so called administration.
I have said for years that dumbya couldn’t pour piss out of a boot, now we have proof that he is even too dumb to make it out of a room full of reporters asking him questions that he has not been coached to answer.
November 22nd, 2005 at 12:15 pmI would also like our friend NED to cite the last time a Democrat called a Republican war hero a coward on the House floor.
Or the last time a Democrat said a Republican didn’t deserve his purple hearts, or wore joke band-aids to ridicule purple hearts. Or implied that a Republican vicitm of torture has lost his mind.
That should make some interesting research for you, NED. I notice our representatives even gave Bush a pass on his past drug abuse and alcoholism.
November 22nd, 2005 at 12:17 pmDumbya is the poster-chimp for family planning.
Incontrovertable truth that abortion not only should be legal, it should be enforced and retroactive!
Chimpeach OR Abort the monkey boy and it’s handlers.
November 22nd, 2005 at 12:17 pmRepublicans know how to smear and win elections, but have proven to be dishonest and incompetant once they get the job.
Bottom feeders like Schmidt can fling all the plug-in patriot bullshit they want, but the charade is wearing thin on the public.
None of this matters anyway - Republican strategists can read the same polls and will figure out a way to declare victory and bring them all (or mostly all) home by the next election. Whatever mess is left behind will be spun as another vainglorious delusion for Boy George.
November 22nd, 2005 at 12:18 pm#81 I did not see Murtha crying about what Cheney and Schmidt said about him, or what was printed about him on White House stationary.
I did see him crying about our dead troops, though. Something I have never seen Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, or any White House official do yet.
And the rest of us, we’re not crying. We’re watching Bush squirm and swallow his own words about how unpatriotic we all are.
So read the news. Bush said himself that we are not unpatriotic. Bush believes my opposition to the war is not — repeat not — unpatriotic. He emphatically disagrees with that notion.
November 22nd, 2005 at 12:20 pmSo funny, I have to post this again:
Northeast Dilemma
* Age: 29
* Gender: male
* Astrological Sign: Aquarius
* Zodiac Year: Dragon
* Industry: Banking
* Occupation: Technology Support
* Location: New York : New York : United States
With such informative posts such as:
http://northeastdilemma.blogspot.com/ 2005_02_06_northeastdilemma_archive.html
To Learn more about NeD:
http://nerepublican.blogspot.com/2004/12/intro_15.html
Or, contact him at:
neastdilemma@yahoo.com
Hey NeD- should you be off fixing someone’s email, or some other selfless patriotic act? Or maybe you’re Tivo-ing Desparate Housewives>>>
“Cowards cut and run, Marines never do….and tech support will send out a memo about it from their cubicle in the basement. Anonymously, of course, because they’re pasty white Toner Monkeys.”
November 22nd, 2005 at 12:20 pm#85, I would love to see noreast dimentia do some actual RESEARCH before posting and proving it is an idiot, but truth is it only knows the REPUGnican talking points.
If you are a REPUG, or a chickenhawk you don’t do any fact checks before opening their mouths. This war-chimp-in-cheif-draft-dodger (p)Resident proves that facts only get in the way and his handlers and supporters take that view to heart.
November 22nd, 2005 at 12:20 pmDear NED,
You pissant hypocritical whiny little bitch. Whine whine whine about what Dick Durbin says. Whine whine whine about the Democrats calling it like they see it regarding this administration and it’s lies. But God forbid someone should criticize a Republican (and a crappy Republican, at that) — then it’s whine whine whine about how somebody else shouldn’t be whining. You’re free to whine of course, just as everyone else is free to call you out on your fertilizer-laden words.
P.S.: Regarding this: “AND just like everything else political, you starting a fight you will ultimately lose.”
Keep telling yourself that, you thick sod. Perhaps if you have enough faith, you can create a reality in your own head where it’s true. That’ll probably be the only way you’ll be able to cope when the elephants get their asses handed to them in the next cycle.
November 22nd, 2005 at 12:24 pmWell I always knew dimentia was a punk-azz little low level employee, now we have proof.
Now lets find the bank it works for and get it fired.
I am in Banking too, and not low level so I do have a few favors I can call in.
November 22nd, 2005 at 12:25 pmI bet ned loves Coburn, he is the senator that cried like a school girl on the floor of the senate. Coburn is also the guy that performed 1000’s of abortions and now is pro life. Coburn also sterilized a retarded girl against her and her mothers wishes.
ned and coburn, crooks of a feather.
November 22nd, 2005 at 12:28 pmHey NED, I think we’re out of printer paper.
November 22nd, 2005 at 12:35 pm@ 64, why, does it botter you to see how corrupt the rich are? Why do you pay taxes, because some people claimed this country and let the rest pay. The world is for everybody, nobody owns the world, why pay some rich people for their sake? Prove? Surve the internet and find. Don’t believe, dream on and wait till disaster strikes you again and again and again.They don’t care for lifes, they only care for money and power. Whe have the right to speak freely, thats what I do!
November 22nd, 2005 at 12:55 pmI voted for Schmidt and guess what, I’ll vote for her again next year. If the democratic party is anxious for us to get out of Iraq, I ask why didn’t more of them vote for the immediate withdrawal of troops. They had their chance. They blew it again as usual. We will crush the dems once again in ‘06!
November 22nd, 2005 at 12:55 pmMemo to NeD:
Quit sniffing the markers! That’s how the last guy got fired
November 22nd, 2005 at 12:56 pm“Whe have the right to speak freely, thats what I do!”
Comment by ron — November 22, 2005 @ 12:55 pm
By all means do; but please EDIT before you post!
November 22nd, 2005 at 12:58 pm#53-I agree. We certainly don’t have to remain there any longer than necessary. But I don’t want to hear a supposedly marine hero making a fool of himself by airing such diatribe.
November 22nd, 2005 at 12:59 pm“Cowards cut and run, Marines never do….and tech support will send out a memo about it from their cubicle in the basement. Anonymously, of course, because they’re pasty white Toner Monkeys.â€
Comment by jparker
Just like a Left Wing Burger Flipper to despise a man with a real job. I’ll have a #1 with a Coke, and super size it loser.
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:00 pmWhen is the last time any of you “stay the course” “support the troops” people visited a Veteran’s Hospital? You maybe could write a letter for a Vet with no hands or read a book to a Vet with no eyes. The opportunities to help are endless and maybe will even open your own eyes to the terrible price that is paid in war. Just remeber when you’re done volunteering you CAN get up and go home.
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:01 pmThis is not a game.
“Just like a Left Wing Burger Flipper to despise a man with a real job. I’ll have a #1 with a Coke, and super size it loser.”
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 22, 2005 @ 1:00 pm
And a FAT toner monkey at that! Now we know why he doesn’t leave the basement so much.
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:02 pmI am in Banking too, and not low level so I do have a few favors I can call in.
Comment by kjlovell
It’s amazing what a few blowjobs spread around up on the 11th floor will do for you eh?
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:03 pmWell I always knew dimentia was a punk-azz little low level employee, now we have proof.
Now lets find the bank it works for and get it fired.
Let Neddy keep his job. I for one don’t want him out on the streets where he might wander into traffic or something.
Besides, good comic relief isn’t easy to find.
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:04 pm“It’s amazing what a few blowjobs spread around up on the 11th floor will do for you eh? ”
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 22, 2005 @ 1:03 pm
Boy, you republicans really obsess about oral sex; I wonder why? (not really)
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:06 pmAnd a FAT toner monkey at that! Now we know why he doesn’t leave the basement so much.
Comment by dano347
What makes you think he’s fat? Reading for comprehension isn’t your thing is it?
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:06 pm“What makes you think he’s fat?”
His “super size it” comment might give you a clue.
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:09 pmAnd what does “super-size” say to you, o reading and comprehension maven?
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:09 pm#96
The reason the Dems did not vote against this was it was a Hunter amendment not a Murtha amendment. The Repubs made it look like they were debating and voting for Murtha amendment.
You would vote for that witch of a woman? The Ohio people will not stand for someone to insult a Marine that was in two wars.
The Smart people of Iraqi want the US to move the troops out of Iraq.
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:11 pmJust like a Left Wing Burger Flipper to despise a man with a real job. I’ll have a #1 with a Coke, and super size it loser.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 22, 2005 @ 1:00 pm
Oooohhh. That hurt….in seventh grade.
I got you all riled up, didn’t I? Gotta say, I’m quite enjoying that. Oops- gotta run, order UP!…there’s a double cheeseburger with your name on it, IRI!
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:15 pm#101
We do those things and more, but thanks for asking. Now you can support the troops by not fueling the enemy into thinking that we are going to cut and run. Al Jeezra picks up most of our negative comments and feeds them right to the enemy. The quicker the insurgents pack up their tents and go home the better and our brave men and women can come home.
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:19 pmBoy, you guys are wasting a lot of time with the trolls here. Don’t you guys notice how they won’t comment on certain threads. It is because they haven’t go their talking points for those stories yet. This is what has been pitched to them by their masters, so this is what they stick with.
Screw these trolls, they aren’t worth your time.
If they don’t want a debate and only want to sling mud, to hell with them.
We don’t come here to argue with trolls, we come here to have discussions about current topics.
There are plenty of conservatives here that do want to debate topics. focus on those guys and ignore the trolls.
There is a difference between a conservative and a troll. Big time.
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:19 pm“One is given considerable reason to wonder just what northeast’s dilemma really is.Perhaps the agonizing decision over whether to walk or chew gum since it’s patently obvious he/she couldn’t perform the acts simultaneously.”
NED’s dilemma, as well as all the Bushbot apologists who post, here is quite simple. ‘Should I be honest with myself and my fellow Americans about how Bush-Republicanism is destroying this country….or should I just accept the money to keep disrupting well known progressive websites.’ I guess the money must be pretty damn good.
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:21 pmI didn’t vote for Bush, so that gives me the right to attack him. Also, the holder of the highest office in the land is a human being, capable of error, mistakes, influences, selfishness, etc. I never just blindly follow authority. I have noticed Repubs blindly follow authority, and just follow orders, believe what they are told.
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:21 pmShe has shown her true colors and that stupid suit doesn’t make her patriotic. That is how these neocons work - it’s all about APPEARANCE. Trolls can start squawking their usual bit but who cares they just repeat themselves. They are like parrots. Let’s hear that Clinton rag again, trolls.
The more the trolls post, the more secure I feel that they are scrambling. It is easy to skip over them as there are only a few. You read one troll’s post, you’ve read them all.
I love it. They are so scared they sound ridiculous. They can’t come up with talking points fast enough and start overlapping each other. It is truly rewarding to know the difference we are making.
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:31 pm#111 Um the insurgents are home chucklehead.
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:32 pmYes the outfit she wore told the story. “No, I’m the true American, look at what I’m wearing.” She thinks to herself. Like all the overkill ribbon magnets on minvans.
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:35 pmFor Truth, they do that because they don’t wish to do their own research and would rather watch an episode of Raymond or some crap than learn anything. Bush says God is on my side and that is all they need. Well, if you are one of them there Christians, then you know what was said about how the devil will come to us - all dressed up like HIM.
The trolls are duped and too lazy to try to figure things out by themselves. They are followers not leaders. Who cares about them anyway, I’m just glad they post here with all of their immense amount of EXTRA time and aren’t doing anything productive.
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:35 pmThanks, P and P.
“Just go with the program, and you will go far” Children of Repubs are told by thier parents.
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:38 pmbetty a, pack up and go home he says. Where is home? Back to terroristland? Dumbass trolls. Like parrots - cut and run SQUAWK cut and run SQUAWK. They are funny.
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:41 pmIt never fails to amuse me that people who are extremely right-wing or, worse, right-wing christians are so afraid of well, everything. To be such hateful, spiteful humans must be a terrible burden to live with everyday. Pity.
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:44 pmNow the Repubs are going to have to deal with the White House actually, “cutting and running” all packaged up as a legit withdrawal. Because of the immense pressure. We are already seeing the beginnings of that.
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:44 pmhttp://thinkprogress.org/ 2005/ 11/ 22/ white-house-success/
Yes, support the troop bumper stickers on a huge SUV. What does that say about the troops - keep it up, I need more oil. If the demand weren’t so high, neither would be the dependence on others. Selfish people suck!
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:44 pmlittle w said we would leave if the Iraqis want us to…so it seems that the Iraqis have spoken..will little w renege on his own statement as he has on every other statement he has made? P&P-thanks for the laugh that vision conjures up. (oops conjure- I must be a sorcerer). Fie Fie I tell you. I always figured it is better to give ulcers than to get them.
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:57 pmI wonder if the crying Senator Murtha will visit the policmen and firemen’s families that are killed each year in the line of duty and ask that they be pulled out of areas that are dangerous? How about putting a moratorium on young people so they cannot drive cars or motorcycles because they too can kill. Probably doing that would not improve his political clout.
Comment by Bob Garrison — November 22, 2005 @ 10:26 am
Wow. I’m confused about the comparison you’re trying to make. Our troops are in danger because we sent them over there to be bait. Dumbya himself says “We fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here.” Sounds like bait to me. If you truly support our troops, then why would you disagree with a plan designed to prevent them from continuing to be sitting ducks for the insurgent’s target practice? Mr. Murtha wants to redeploy the troops out of harms way. That word again is REDEPLOY. His desire to help has nothing to do with gaining political clout and everything to do with valuing our servicemen and women.
November 22nd, 2005 at 1:58 pmPeople are actually trying to find me? I find that interesting and scary. The fascism of the left is unbelievable. Good luck fools.
November 22nd, 2005 at 2:00 pmA moratorium on young people - huh? Obtuse, man.
November 22nd, 2005 at 2:10 pm‘Good luck fools’ - written by a true scholar. Go shave, man.
November 22nd, 2005 at 2:11 pmClinton was a thief, a liar, a sexual pervert, traitor and probably a serial killer by proxy and all we did was call him by that which he was known. Seems to me he was treated more than fairly.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 22, 2005 @ 10:44 am
Don’t hold back dear, tell us how you really feel. Can you do me the favor of elaborating a little bit? What did President Clinton steal and from whom did he steal it? I know he lied about receiving oral pleasure from an intern so I’ll give you that one (even though I challenge you to find one adult in the world that hasn’t ever told a lie). Sexual pervert? So does that describe everyone that has had oral sex? What about the folks in Utah with several child brides? Are they perverts? Traitor? I ask again for evidence to support such a claim. The serial killer bit is a little over the top don’t you think? I’m amused that you demand that everyone respect Dubya because he’s the Pres, but I guess from your rhetoric about Clinton that respect only applies to Republican Presidents. Can you say hypocrite?
November 22nd, 2005 at 2:18 pm#
People are actually trying to find me? I find that interesting and scary. The fascism of the left is unbelievable. Good luck fools.
Comment by The Northeast Dilemma — November 22, 2005 @ 2:00 pm
You’re the one that put out a Blog and an online profile, Chauncey. You obviously want people to find you and “hear your words”. Perhaps you wanted to get clowned…you just made it sooooo easy, ‘casue you come around here talking like an internet toughguy.
Don’t stress- we’re just having a little fun with you. No one is going to track you down and make you listen to Gary Coleman read the essays of Micheal Moore. You can watch your trashy nighttime soap in peace, curled up in your blankie.
November 22nd, 2005 at 2:20 pmThis is more a matter of finger pointing — one Republican against another — he said/she said. Neither one of them is worth spit.
November 22nd, 2005 at 2:29 pm